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| 02:09.29 | Constitution | Murielle: I think the slot numbers are shown when the user has the ban, shortban, or playerlist permissions |
| 02:10.06 | blast007 | Constitution: I belive the client only cares if the "admin" bit is set |
| 02:10.14 | blast007 | client doesn't know about permissions |
| 02:10.27 | mrapple | blast007: its cares about playerlist |
| 02:10.30 | mrapple | thats all |
| 02:10.39 | blast007 | how so? |
| 02:10.40 | mrapple | if i remember correctly..... *checks* |
| 02:10.50 | blast007 | the server sends special messages for players with that permission |
| 02:11.11 | Constitution | blast007: I wrote a patch a long time ago to fix the behavior so it will still show if the user has hiddenadmin |
| 02:11.12 | blast007 | the IP addresses are not known for other players without that additional data |
| 02:11.37 | Constitution | I am trying to find it so I can say for sure |
| 02:15.21 | Constitution | yeah http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzflag/ScoreboardRenderer.cxx?r1=15839&r2=16467 |
| 02:15.34 | Constitution | so I guess it's just whether the player has PLAYERLIST |
| 02:17.19 | blast007 | I imagine the client figures out it has playerlist when it receives the additional player info containing IP addresses |
| 02:17.57 | Constitution | probably |
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| 09:48.42 | Murielle | actually, the slot numbers are show if the operator bit is set and then if a broadcast sendplayerinfo message is sent |
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| 15:18.37 | mrapple | delusional: whats with only a few spots on the steamroller race? :( |
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| 16:42.42 | delusional | it's still in a testing phase, mrapple.... I've got about ten more obstacle sections ready to go, too. I want to have at least 20 sections before going full scale. Waiting on 4 maze sections by the purple panzer.... Most of these (so far) have randomizer scripts... I've got 2 more sections of my own. That gives me 16....Thjere really is no limit to the number of sections. |
| 16:43.37 | delusional | I was experimenting with the python scripts from BZ-Olympics last weekend.... |
| 16:44.36 | delusional | A total of six mappers have committed to making sections, but so far I only have bzw's from 3 |
| 16:53.34 | JefferyM | comeon, post a screenshot of a blank map to show your progress, that's what he does with webpages ;) |
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| 16:57.05 | mrapple | JefferyM: .... what |
| 17:00.49 | JefferyM | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/download/file.php?id=13487 |
| 17:00.56 | JefferyM | a mostly blank webpage ;) |
| 17:01.05 | mrapple | we were focusing on the design |
| 17:01.13 | mrapple | its supoposed to be 'blank' |
| 17:01.23 | JefferyM | I know, but for the people that you are targeting, they mostly care about features |
| 17:01.33 | JefferyM | not a pretty picture, look at what they use now ;) |
| 17:01.57 | JefferyM | and a design comp would have sample content, not just a nav header |
| 17:02.08 | JefferyM | do you have the entire design layed out in something like photoshop? |
| 17:02.13 | mrapple | this is a work in progress |
| 17:02.17 | mrapple | yes |
| 17:02.30 | JefferyM | that would be better to showcase the design then |
| 17:02.32 | JefferyM | IMHO |
| 17:02.44 | mrapple | and if you look at the update... its done ( http://static.bzextreme.com/League/ ) |
| 17:02.47 | JefferyM | then they can get an idea of the entire layout, rather then just a small nugget |
| 17:03.03 | JefferyM | I see no content |
| 17:03.08 | mrapple | thats the point |
| 17:03.17 | JefferyM | nevermind |
| 17:03.32 | mrapple | that is just the layout. the content is at http://static.bzextreme.com/webleague/leagueconnect |
| 17:03.41 | mrapple | which is motly broken right now as codeigniter is implemented |
| 17:04.05 | JefferyM | usualy when a graphic designer does a layout it's more then just a headerbar |
| 17:04.20 | JefferyM | you throw in fake content with lorium ipsum to verify that the entire design is valid |
| 17:04.51 | mrapple | i guess, true |
| 17:04.56 | JefferyM | but it's ok, it's your deal I'm sure you'll figure it out |
| 17:05.07 | mrapple | ok thanks i guess |
| 17:05.33 | JefferyM | like this is a proper design comp, http://www.adobe.com/livedocs/studio/8/exploring/images/homepage-mockup.jpg |
| 17:06.06 | mrapple | ok so i guess just missing the text and maybe an example table? |
| 17:08.13 | JefferyM | the best way is to add a sample of each type of data you will have |
| 17:08.20 | JefferyM | then you'll know that the layout is valid for each page |
| 17:08.27 | mrapple | true |
| 17:08.34 | JefferyM | but most places do that because the backend coder is not the same as the designer |
| 17:08.43 | JefferyM | so the designer has to work before the backend is done |
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| 17:09.00 | mrapple | McSpider did the PSD. I just helped with css conversion. oh and blast helped to |
| 17:09.10 | mrapple | because you know IE7 and how it displays webpages ;) |
| 17:09.26 | JefferyM | no.. no I don't |
| 17:09.47 | mrapple | ok. it displays them horribly. ;) |
| 17:09.50 | JefferyM | I am not a web designer |
| 17:09.57 | mrapple | ok |
| 17:09.59 | JefferyM | I just used to be a graphic designer |
| 17:10.11 | mrapple | i see |
| 17:10.30 | JefferyM | your layout does look like it will be cleaner then ts's |
| 17:10.48 | mrapple | thank you |
| 17:10.55 | JefferyM | tho I'm still not sure why people put matches before teams :) |
| 17:11.11 | mrapple | would you preffer it switched? |
| 17:11.23 | JefferyM | I'd think it should go from most important to least imporatnt, and that'd be "What is this leauge, who's in it, and what does it do" |
| 17:11.34 | mrapple | ah |
| 17:11.45 | mrapple | but id usually put help and contact near the end |
| 17:11.50 | mrapple | the homepage should cover most of that |
| 17:11.57 | JefferyM | yeah help yes |
| 17:12.05 | JefferyM | but that's different then "about" |
| 17:12.14 | mrapple | true |
| 17:12.19 | Yassen | About is usually the most important to new visitors |
| 17:12.20 | mrapple | well the new site features dynamic pages |
| 17:12.29 | JefferyM | a new user should not have to go to a help section to find out what the page is about, help is just how to use the site. |
| 17:12.29 | mrapple | so the leagues can add whatever they want |
| 17:12.47 | JefferyM | you should still provide a good default layout |
| 17:12.48 | mrapple | and rearrange them... eventually |
| 17:12.55 | mrapple | well it will ship standard |
| 17:13.01 | mrapple | ill consider adding an about page after home |
| 17:13.27 | JefferyM | if info about the leauge is on the home then that's probably ok |
| 17:14.00 | JefferyM | but I just think new people don't care much about matches before they care about who's in the leauge, and what teams there are |
| 17:14.15 | mrapple | OK |
| 17:14.17 | mrapple | oops |
| 17:14.21 | JefferyM | heh |
| 17:14.37 | mrapple | stupid capslock :| |
| 17:15.19 | JefferyM | I'd put contact and help in a smaller footer or up by the login info, as they are more like site utility then content |
| 17:15.26 | mrapple | ok |
| 17:15.34 | JefferyM | same for control pannel, it can go with the user |
| 17:15.37 | JefferyM | since it's user specifc |
| 17:15.59 | JefferyM | gives ya a bit more room for more tabs |
| 17:16.14 | mrapple | Control Panel is just for admins |
| 17:16.28 | mrapple | to control the site. users can edit their stuff by clicking on the loggedd in as <user> |
| 17:17.04 | mrapple | but I will probably add a profile link by mail, just so its clear |
| 17:21.50 | JefferyM | ok so it only shows for specific users, even more reason to throw it up top :) |
| 17:22.08 | mrapple | ok |
| 17:23.06 | JefferyM | I guess the best way to think about a layout design is to ask yourself if you have enough to show someone to make them pay you to make it |
| 17:23.41 | JefferyM | that's why it's common to layout all the pages or documents so the client knows what they will be buying |
| 17:24.40 | JefferyM | then they give you a million dollars and you waste it on silly hats and expensive dinners and bust out the site the week before it's due |
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