| 00:00.21 | Wreckage | I don't think that's what r3's does but that could work for what I wanted... |
| 00:00.38 | JefferyM | he would have to do something similar |
| 00:00.41 | Wreckage | ...or the next generation of bots... |
| 00:00.45 | JefferyM | unless the plugin has undocumented features |
| 00:01.01 | Wreckage | he has "tank" models that only shoot in one direction |
| 00:01.01 | JefferyM | or he's using another plugin |
| 00:01.07 | JefferyM | ok |
| 00:01.10 | JefferyM | that's just a model |
| 00:01.13 | JefferyM | they don't shoot |
| 00:01.18 | Wreckage | when you go in a certain area of the map the ww fires from there |
| 00:01.21 | Wreckage | yes i know ;) |
| 00:01.26 | JefferyM | you could make that plugin fire from there |
| 00:01.30 | Wreckage | to the zone you passed |
| 00:01.31 | JefferyM | ok sounds simple enough |
| 00:01.50 | JefferyM | yeah, it all depends on how granular you want the "aim" |
| 00:01.59 | Wreckage | he even has bullseyes on the ground so you know where to go |
| 00:02.12 | JefferyM | that's probably the aim point then |
| 00:02.19 | JefferyM | just a fixed vector |
| 00:02.34 | Wreckage | I think the ww bullets are just random inside the bullseye so yes several |
| 00:02.43 | Wreckage | so you can dodge them |
| 00:03.29 | JefferyM | I don't see anything that would make it random in that wiki doc for the wwzone plugin |
| 00:03.45 | JefferyM | the vector of shot is defined in the map object |
| 00:07.58 | Wreckage | well the bot fires not just one path even if you stay in same spot |
| 00:08.23 | JefferyM | then it isn't using that plugin, or those docs arn't complete |
| 00:11.10 | Wreckage | http://bit.ly/hixdodge |
| 00:11.19 | JefferyM | bots in 2.0.x arn't run by the server, so if it was a bot it'd show as a player |
| 00:11.43 | JefferyM | he probably has multiple aim zones on that target |
| 00:11.47 | JefferyM | one for each shot |
| 00:12.19 | JefferyM | if you drive over the EXACT same spot does it shoot the same shot? |
| 00:15.18 | Wreckage | oh after messing around a bit whenever I am anywhere on that red target it shoots in the same 3 directions just at different intervals |
| 00:15.59 | JefferyM | that makes more sense |
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| 00:19.14 | Wreckage | sometimes it shoots three at same time |
| 00:19.20 | Wreckage | often two and then 1 |
| 00:19.33 | Wreckage | the timing i cant find a pattern to though |
| 00:19.51 | Wreckage | perhaps rand |
| 00:19.59 | Wreckage | random* ? |
| 00:20.34 | Wreckage | not sure about shot pattern either. interested to find out |
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| 01:49.35 | Strakowski | I'm sorry, does anyone know who the author of the packaged bzflag textures is? |
| 01:49.59 | blast007 | probably faster to just ask the full question ;) |
| 01:50.10 | Strakowski | full question? |
| 01:50.10 | blast007 | "I modified a couple of the bzflag textures for use in a map, now I need to upload them to the images.bzflag site. who should I list for the author?" |
| 01:50.22 | Strakowski | ah |
| 01:50.23 | Strakowski | yes |
| 01:50.25 | Strakowski | that one |
| 01:50.27 | blast007 | jeffm: thoughts? |
| 01:50.41 | blast007 | isn't sure about all that fun licensing stuff |
| 01:55.22 | jeffm | tim riker is copyright holder |
| 01:55.28 | jeffm | and they have to be lgpl |
| 01:56.27 | Strakowski | alright, so Tim would be the one? |
| 01:57.28 | jeffm | all works on bzflag are turned over to tim |
| 01:59.59 | jeffm | if we ever get an org it'll be "the bzflag foundation" or wahatever that'll be the author |
| 02:00.14 | jeffm | and that's all that maters for ibo, who the copyright holder is |
| 02:00.19 | Strakowski | great, thank you. This licensing stuff spins my head round a bit. |
| 02:00.40 | jeffm | most normal players don't understand what a copyright holder is, so we just used "author" |
| 02:01.45 | jeffm | really should get Tim to change the image data over to CC SA, it' be a much simpler thing |
| 02:02.20 | blast007 | would that require a separate -data package on certain linux distros? |
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| 02:02.34 | jeffm | I don't think so, just clear documentation |
| 02:02.45 | blast007 | k |
| 02:03.06 | jeffm | CCSA v3 is fully "debian happy" IIRC |
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| 05:11.28 | JeffM2501 | yay, indoor/outdoor combo map :) http://www.opencombat.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/IndoorOutdoor.png |
| 05:13.15 | a_meteorite | neat lighting |
| 05:13.26 | JeffM2501 | lightmaps with bad algorithms :) |
| 05:13.55 | a_meteorite | is the light source those pixelly white blobs? |
| 05:13.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 05:14.02 | JeffM2501 | spheres |
| 05:14.18 | JeffM2501 | it really needs more light types, moslty a directional and a spot |
| 05:14.31 | JeffM2501 | and someone who knows more about the math behind lighting |
| 05:14.44 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 05:14.59 | JeffM2501 | but I figure as long as I have the lightmap support in, changing the algorithm in the editor is the easy part |
| 05:17.40 | JeffM2501 | making it do radiosity would be awesome, then it'd look rather good |
| 05:20.51 | temporalD | whoa |
| 05:20.51 | a_meteorite | nice new quit messages... |
| 05:20.51 | a_meteorite | doesn't say the server that splitted :) |
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| 13:59.53 | joevano | I know this is heresy here but I found it a good article that expresses very good points about Distributed Version Control Systems http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2010/03/17.html |
| 14:00.28 | joevano | while it discusses Mercurial instead of git... it still has it's good points |
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| 14:57.47 | blast007 | joevano: cool, I'll have to read that since I'm using Mercurial ;) |
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| 15:51.58 | CIA-53 | BZFlag: Use m4 quotes on minimum autoconf version number. |
| 15:51.59 | CIA-53 | BZFlag: Use AC_CHECK_LIB on the exact minimum set of required libraries. |
| 15:51.59 | CIA-53 | BZFlag: Remove bzworkbench_LDADD line from Makefile.am; those AC_CHECK_LIB lines make it redundant. |
| 15:51.59 | CIA-53 | BZFlag: Mention cURL in INSTALL and update the suggested Fedora yum command. |
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| 18:48.50 | jomojo | JefferyM: you around? |
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| 18:52.28 | jomojo | well if not to anyone who is reading this, a few server owners and other players I have been talking about a universal admin group of maybe 20 to 30 most trusted admins. Which might include the developers, active trusted players like kierra, and Orbit and well trusted server owners. The group should be a default group in the client, but could be turned off or disallowed so a to maintain server owner autonomy, but for many people setting up t |
| 18:52.28 | jomojo | servers who don't know much about setting up admin groups etc.. this could be a way to have a group that could deal with cheaters and trollers who pray on poorly set up servers, without adequate or proper admin groups. what do you think? |
| 18:55.34 | ruskie | that irc isn't an email or a forum post and has limited length before it gets cut off ;) |
| 18:55.42 | ruskie | setting up t <-- that's where it got cut off |
| 18:56.21 | jomojo | ruskie: you can't read the whole post? |
| 18:56.38 | ruskie | nobody can't :) since it got cut off :) |
| 18:56.53 | jomojo | well my client shows much larger post |
| 18:56.59 | ruskie | well you can since the server didn't mangle it |
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| 18:57.10 | ruskie | but there is a limited to irc message length |
| 18:57.19 | jomojo | ruskie good to know.. thanks |
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| 18:58.35 | jomojo | ruskie: what was the last line posted again? I don't see where i was cut off |
| 18:58.44 | ruskie | "setting up t" |
| 18:58.49 | ruskie | in the first message |
| 18:58.57 | jomojo | but for many people setting up their servers who don't know much about setting up admin groups etc.. this could be a way to have a group that could deal with cheaters and trollers who pray on poorly set up servers, without adequate or proper admin groups. what do you think? |
| 18:59.08 | temporalD | jomojo, blast sort-of runs a meta-admin group already - one of his bzexcess groups combines a few other admin groups |
| 18:59.17 | jomojo | there is the rest thanks for letting know ruskie |
| 18:59.29 | ruskie | that was there before |
| 18:59.40 | ruskie | lemme paste it |
| 18:59.57 | ruskie | http://sprunge.us/BKWN <-- that's what you posted |
| 18:59.58 | jomojo | temporaID: I know i am in that group, but that is not a very selective group, compiled from like 10 groups |
| 19:00.28 | ruskie | see the end of the first message it looks like it's cut off |
| 19:00.48 | jomojo | gotcha |
| 19:01.06 | jomojo | ruskie: yeah that's kind of weird where it stops and starts |
| 19:01.40 | jomojo | temporaID: blasts group is also not a default group either |
| 19:01.56 | jomojo | that was what i was proposing unless the server owner disallows it |
| 19:03.36 | temporalD | default group would be a bad idea |
| 19:03.53 | temporalD | how do you know that your rules would be the same that I would want to enforce? |
| 19:04.13 | jomojo | right well you can disallow the group if you don't want it.. |
| 19:04.33 | jomojo | but general rules seem to be universal, don't troll or cheat |
| 19:05.08 | cruel_dog | Hello TemporalD and jomojo |
| 19:05.16 | jomojo | hi cruel_dog |
| 19:05.21 | temporalD | heya cruel_dog |
| 19:05.24 | Runic | I don't like the idea either - if the server owner doesn't know what he is doing, he not going to know how to get rid of the defult group either |
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| 19:05.55 | Runic | and wonder why others are admining on his server |
| 19:06.07 | jomojo | that is part of the reason i suggest the group be so small and trusted |
| 19:06.31 | temporalD | sounds like the DEVELOPER group to me |
| 19:06.38 | temporalD | which exists |
| 19:07.07 | jomojo | right the developer group is a bit smaller than and much less active than i envisioned |
| 19:07.42 | jomojo | while we all know that bzflag couldn't exists without the developers many of them just don't play anymore |
| 19:12.27 | BlackA | hi |
| 19:12.38 | cruel_dog | Hi, BlackA |
| 19:12.38 | Runic | I think that would just make the new server owner annoyed at the group and maybe try to ban them if they can't figure out why they are admins on his server |
| 19:12.49 | BlackA | i need some help |
| 19:12.56 | BlackA | i've managed to compile bzflag 2.0.14 for windows but it won't run because it needs zlib1.dll |
| 19:13.26 | cruel_dog | BlackA: did you get all the files that you needed to compile? |
| 19:13.26 | BlackA | i tried downloading a couple of different versions of that dll but it always gave me an error which was "ordinal 55 not found" |
| 19:13.32 | BlackA | yeah i did |
| 19:13.35 | BlackA | it compiled fine |
| 19:13.40 | BlackA | it just wouldnt run |
| 19:13.41 | cruel_dog | What software you use to compile? |
| 19:13.47 | cruel_dog | oh |
| 19:13.48 | Bambino | Runic: if they don't know how to remove it, then they shouldn't be running a server |
| 19:13.59 | BlackA | visual studi 2008 |
| 19:14.03 | BlackA | studio* |
| 19:14.13 | jomojo | i agree with Bambino |
| 19:14.17 | Bambino | it could be as easy as doing "!global group name" in the groupdb |
| 19:14.33 | BlackA | i guess the ordinal 55 not found error was because of a version mismatch between the lib and the actual dll |
| 19:14.35 | Bambino | and have it add to the default 3 |
| 19:14.44 | Runic | Bambino: I agree with that statement but we're talking about the real world here |
| 19:14.45 | Bambino | everyone, verified, local.admin |
| 19:14.55 | cruel_dog | BlackA: I do not see any 'ZLib1.dll' in my BZFlag dir and it works. |
| 19:15.15 | BlackA | hm, maybe you built your own curl |
| 19:15.26 | BlackA | i used one of the precompiled libs |
| 19:15.54 | jomojo | Runic: it seems to me we are catering to the inept.. Which is much what the real world does.. But I reject that policy, let the inept fall by the way side into obscurity. |
| 19:16.53 | Bambino | and the group could be removed if a groupdb is specified with other groups |
| 19:17.35 | Runic | jomojo: if the server is run that badly then send a report, if it doesn't get better, stop playing there |
| 19:18.26 | BulletCatcher | The BZFlag developers try to stay neutral about individual server policies. |
| 19:18.27 | BulletCatcher | We provide the tools, but it is up to each server operator to use them (or not) as they see fit. |
| 19:19.05 | jomojo | Runic: it is not me, per say, that is playing there.. I am just trying to increase the over all quality of bz increase. I will quickly move on if a server is not managed well. |
| 19:19.19 | BulletCatcher | Feel free to update the wiki with recommended ways of running a server. |
| 19:21.27 | Runic | I just don't think we should force administrators on to someone elses server |
| 19:23.37 | jomojo | Runic: technically not forced |
