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| 00:28.00 | blast007 | brlcad: it's a PHP extension, not a MySQL recompile :) |
| 00:28.12 | blast007 | wasn't sure how it worked on freebsd |
| 00:29.01 | blast007 | think it came with the binary package on my linux system, but I can't really recall |
| 00:30.51 | blast007 | the 'pecl' command might be able to build/install the extension, if it's available |
| 00:31.51 | blast007 | but I've only used that command once, and it was just this week |
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| 00:37.32 | blast007 | seems to be packages in ports for it as well |
| 00:37.52 | blast007 | http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/databases/php5-pdo_mysql/ |
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| 01:05.18 | trepan | blast007: saw your note about '-f', reminded me of this patch from way back: http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/flagsV2.diff |
| 01:05.38 | trepan | (2006 ... ;) |
| 01:08.27 | blast007 | heh |
| 01:16.41 | trepan | still patches v2_0branch with only a few failures (trunk is another story) |
| 01:19.54 | trepan | fwiw, observer mouse control for v2_0branch (preliminary) http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/mouse-obs.diff |
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| 05:27.52 | temporalD | blast007: joevano: or other BZBB moderator - could someone verify that a player is in the COPPA group? |
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| 05:45.56 | JeffM2501 | who? |
| 05:46.29 | temporalD | "Hydra Slayer" |
| 05:47.55 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 05:48.11 | temporalD | well he admitted to me and one other player that he's 12 |
| 05:48.30 | temporalD | "admitted" - like it's a crime - lol |
| 05:48.44 | temporalD | he was complaining about bad language on mofo - :) |
| 05:48.51 | JeffM2501 | joy |
| 05:49.07 | JeffM2501 | sends the email |
| 05:49.14 | temporalD | thx |
| 05:51.13 | JeffM2501 | sent and deleted |
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| 13:28.48 | cygal | http://www.project4hire.com/freelance_job_8184.html <- someone paying to be able to cheat in bzflag |
| 13:48.37 | Gilly | maybe we could collect the cash but leave a backdoor so that we can shut them out after a day or so? |
| 14:03.12 | [dmp] | Yeah, collect the entire budget of 15 usd :) |
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| 15:55.10 | gtankd | hi ppl. need some help. Cannot compile the modeltool. |
| 15:58.11 | cygal | gtankd: what can't you compile? |
| 15:58.20 | gtankd | the modeltool |
| 15:58.42 | gtankd | in source tree ../tools/modeltool |
| 15:59.24 | gtankd | I just want to ask if someone has compiled it , so it may be my system problem |
| 15:59.41 | gtankd | system's * |
| 16:00.27 | gtankd | tried on bzflag 2.0.14 , 2.0.12 , 2.0.2 , but no hope |
| 16:01.17 | gtankd | on linux environment |
| 16:02.49 | BulletCatcher | The trunk version compiles for me on Fedora 12. You'll have to check that out from the svn repository. |
| 16:03.02 | cygal | it works here too |
| 16:03.09 | gtankd | ok ,thank you very much, I'll try it |
| 16:03.33 | gtankd | cygal : from svn yours too? |
| 16:03.51 | BulletCatcher | The branch version probably just needs some #include lines fixed. |
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| 16:04.55 | cygal | yes |
| 16:05.04 | gtankd | ok, thx |
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| 16:36.23 | gtankd | modeltool from svn compiled, thanks , bye |
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| 18:12.58 | JefferyM | so is someone going to take over hosting the server that menotume seems to always to forget to pay for? |
| 18:21.28 | BulletCatcher | If we can make your idea for a social site work, then it could replace the existing league web sites if we can find a way to integrate the match results and scoring system. |
| 18:21.59 | JefferyM | yeah but that's a lot of work |
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| 18:22.14 | JefferyM | I don't think that'll get done in a day or so :) |
| 18:22.53 | BulletCatcher | No, but perhaps before meno's next renewal. |
| 18:23.14 | JefferyM | heh |
| 18:23.16 | JefferyM | maybe |
| 18:25.42 | JefferyM | I'll install the start of the drupal thing when the vhost is set up |
| 18:25.53 | JefferyM | tim did the domain, brlcad's workin on the vhost |
| 18:29.55 | BulletCatcher | I have a small 2.0.14 bzfs.cxx patch from newer branch commits to fix the problem with certain pre-MsgEnter client messages. |
| 18:29.58 | BulletCatcher | Should I upload it to SourceForge as a separate file, or do you want to release 2.0.14.1 ? |
| 18:30.20 | Wyk3d | hey everyone .. will bzflag be applying for gsoc this year ? :) |
| 18:32.25 | BulletCatcher | Wyk3d: No. We hope to focus instead on 3.0 work. |
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| 18:33.59 | Wyk3d | k .. i was going to help with the auth daemon outside of gsoc anyway |
| 18:34.23 | BulletCatcher | Cool. Your contributions are always welcome. |
| 18:40.12 | JefferyM | BulletCatcher, I'd make a .14.1 tag and tarbal |
| 18:40.28 | JefferyM | it's a server change right? |
| 18:41.33 | JefferyM | or we can release bzflag 2.0.16 "we don't care anymore" |
| 18:45.44 | temporalD | "we care too much" |
| 18:45.57 | JefferyM | if only that were true :) |
| 18:49.29 | BulletCatcher | Yes, it is just for the server. |
| 18:49.35 | JefferyM | k |
| 18:49.48 | JefferyM | then those people will get 14 from source or linux package |
| 18:49.59 | JefferyM | few if any run servers on other oSs |
| 18:50.14 | BulletCatcher | My main concern is to get it into Linux distros. |
| 18:50.15 | JefferyM | so 14.1 tarbal, and making sure it's in the packages will be fine |
| 18:50.17 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 18:50.35 | JefferyM | actualy tag it 14.2 |
| 18:50.44 | JefferyM | then it should be obvious |
| 18:50.55 | BulletCatcher | Even numbers FTW. |
| 18:51.03 | JefferyM | FTR(releae) :) |
| 18:52.22 | JefferyM | I don't know if we will be able to get anything into debian stable |
| 18:52.44 | BulletCatcher | That'll be up to Tim. |
| 18:52.54 | JefferyM | not really |
| 18:53.06 | JefferyM | we don't have a security fix to push it down with |
| 18:53.27 | BulletCatcher | Fedora 13 is on its way, and I'd like to get it into that. |
| 18:53.37 | JefferyM | sounds fair enough |
| 18:53.39 | BulletCatcher | There are a few weeks left. |
| 18:54.23 | BulletCatcher | It may be Sunday before I have time to do .14.2. |
| 18:54.25 | BulletCatcher | I also want to include the change for explicitly linking with libdl as needed. |
| 18:54.34 | JefferyM | k |
| 18:54.42 | BulletCatcher | Or should we just take the current head from branch? |
| 18:54.58 | JefferyM | no, I'd just put in the few things you know you want |
| 18:55.01 | JefferyM | it's safer |
| 18:55.05 | BulletCatcher | Agreed. |
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| 19:39.36 | remote | hi |
| 19:40.49 | remote | where's http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code/2010 ? |
| 19:41.25 | me1 | have you tried http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code |
| 19:41.27 | remote | i would like to suggest a proposal |
| 19:41.45 | remote | yeah but "proposal ideas" link to the 2009 page |
| 19:41.51 | me1 | oh wow, it's 2010 already |
| 19:41.58 | me1 | and march |
| 19:42.08 | remote | surprise! |
| 19:42.18 | remote | :) |
| 19:42.45 | remote | where can I submit a proposal? |
| 19:43.18 | cygal | remote: BZFlag is not appying for the summer of code in 2010, sorry |
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| 19:43.33 | remote | why? |
| 19:43.42 | cygal | Concentration on the 3.0 release. |
| 19:43.58 | remote | you're a dev? |
| 19:44.20 | cygal | I'm a student from last year, so kind of. |
| 19:44.27 | remote | great |
| 19:44.46 | remote | my proposal was to make a better webleague web app |
| 19:44.51 | remote | so it's not bzflag dev |
| 19:44.56 | remote | and bzflag needs it |
| 19:45.25 | cygal | then you can do it outside of the summer of code :) |
| 19:45.55 | remote | i don't do web |
| 19:47.03 | remote | i'll join the mailing lists |
| 19:47.27 | cygal | most of the development happens here |
| 19:47.56 | remote | ok |
| 19:48.57 | remote | my idea is primarily intended to improve the game experience of players and increase the activity in current leagues |
| 19:49.35 | blast007 | I don't think a better league site will increase activity |
| 19:49.42 | remote | right now it's hard for many players to register on bzbb, register on leagues, find out why they can't spawn, find out they have to contact a league admin to spawn, find out how to find a league admin, request spawn privs |
| 19:49.55 | remote | i'm sure it would |
| 19:50.10 | blast007 | what would your new league site to do fix the issues you mentioned above? |
| 19:50.34 | blast007 | I could see integration with weblogin as a possibility |
| 19:50.49 | blast007 | but you'd still have to get the players into the groups :) |
| 19:50.56 | blast007 | and currently we don't have an API to do that |
| 19:51.07 | remote | we need to change the whole ranking system, one thing i was considering is the ability to rank players or group of players regardless of their team |
| 19:51.36 | remote | to clarify, you could play official match with selected players without belonging in the same team and be ranked as a player |
| 19:51.55 | remote | it's not all clear in my head how this should happen but there are many possibilities |
| 19:52.50 | remote | personally, and other players are like that as well, i only play in league to play a match of a specific length against with teaming up with selected players |
| 19:52.54 | remote | i don't care about rankings |
| 19:53.24 | remote | based on that, i think many players would benefit from a more flexible official matching system |
| 19:54.12 | blast007 | I think players would benetif from a league system without several dozen security holes and with stable hosting ;) |
| 19:54.22 | blast007 | benefit* |
| 19:54.40 | remote | yeah even without my idea, a new web league would be great |
| 19:54.47 | remote | i won't argue that :) |
| 19:54.58 | blast007 | web-league needs to be buried |
| 19:55.06 | remote | nods |
| 19:55.41 | remote | i don't know about bzflag 3.0 but right now it's hard to find players |
| 19:55.42 | blast007 | at some point, I would love to get a few/several people together to write a new league system |
| 19:56.14 | blast007 | I've written parts of them over the years |
| 19:56.28 | remote | i think just one person could do it in a day or two, another could do the web design |
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| 19:56.41 | blast007 | but I lack knowledge of how a league actually works in reality, since I don't play them ;) |
| 19:56.51 | blast007 | hah, a day or two? |
| 19:57.07 | remote | using a good web framework like django, sure |
| 19:57.15 | blast007 | unlikely |
| 19:57.16 | remote | planning would take more time |
| 19:57.21 | remote | how hard is it |
| 19:57.31 | blast007 | depends what you actually want for functionality |
| 19:57.42 | remote | authentication system, player object, team object, ranking system, interfaces to display all that |
| 19:57.55 | remote | that's all there is to it isn't it? |
| 19:58.21 | blast007 | no |
| 19:58.27 | blast007 | there's a lot more than that |
| 19:58.39 | remote | in the ranking system and privileges of players |
| 19:59.13 | blast007 | well, I should say, the things you mentioned are probably more complicated than you realize |
| 20:00.48 | remote | ok |
| 20:01.22 | remote | what about we form a "looking for web dev" request and see how we can send it "officially" from the bzflag project on a few web app frameworks mailing list? |
| 20:02.16 | blast007 | shrugs |
| 20:02.22 | blast007 | maybe at a later time |
| 20:02.36 | blast007 | for now, I think getting a group manager done is more important |
| 20:02.59 | remote | i don't know about groups |
| 20:03.06 | remote | what are they? |
| 20:03.09 | blast007 | cuz then maybe the league system could integrate with an API we write to automatically add players to the league group |
| 20:03.18 | blast007 | global groups |
| 20:03.41 | blast007 | for assigning permissions to players on a server |
| 20:03.47 | remote | where does this happen? |
| 20:04.38 | blast007 | you mean currently? |
| 20:04.45 | remote | yes |
| 20:05.00 | blast007 | right now we use the group system in phpBB for our global groups |
| 20:05.29 | remote | and with 3.0 will a user be able to register in-game? |
| 20:05.38 | blast007 | if someone writes it |
| 20:05.52 | blast007 | currently 2.99.x does not have any way to do that |
| 20:06.16 | blast007 | nor do we have a way to handle that in our web services (registration is currently done through phpBB) |
| 20:06.43 | remote | yeah ok |
| 20:07.12 | remote | i can make an XMLRPC service |
| 20:07.24 | blast007 | why XMLRPC? |
| 20:07.54 | blast007 | means we'd need another dependency to parse XML |
| 20:08.32 | remote | what would be best to communicate to the API? |
| 20:09.17 | blast007 | shrugs |
| 20:09.44 | blast007 | depends what kind of stuff our API will do |
| 20:10.02 | blast007 | for just in-game registration, a simple POST request would work |
| 20:10.23 | blast007 | we already have cURL in BZFlag for everything else we do (MOTD, list server, file downloads, etc) |
| 20:11.44 | blast007 | the hard part would be getting the API to work ;) |
| 20:12.12 | blast007 | if we're still tied to phpBB for auth and whatnot, then we'd have to duplicate functionality from there to handle registrations |
| 20:12.29 | blast007 | since it's not as simple as just adding a single row to a players table |
| 20:12.57 | blast007 | it also does stuff with adding them to a registered users group, then there's the email it sends, and COPPA handling, etc |
| 20:14.10 | remote | what we want is just database accessibility |
| 20:14.17 | blast007 | hmm? |
| 20:14.30 | blast007 | meaning what, exactly? |
| 20:14.41 | remote | the API would be an interface to the current database |
| 20:14.45 | remote | you have groups there right? |
| 20:15.08 | remote | all we want is an API to put data into it? |
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| 20:31.10 | JefferyM | wow, big backlog |
| 20:31.18 | JefferyM | but yeah remote no SOC for us this year |
| 20:32.17 | JefferyM | and as for webleauge, I'd like to try to integrate it into the proposed social site |
| 20:32.33 | JefferyM | rather then have people make seperate leauge sites. |
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| 20:39.16 | CIA-88 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6977 10/w/Google_Summer_of_Code: 2010 clarification |
| 20:39.50 | CIA-88 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6978 10/w/Main_Page: /* Google Summer of Code */ Removed |
| 20:41.18 | CIA-88 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6979 10/w/Category:Development: Mention SOC |
| 20:41.41 | cygal | (a /topic could help too) |
| 20:42.04 | cygal | just closed a five years old bug, woot. |
| 20:42.12 | *** topic/#bzflag by JefferyM -> http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || Channel Logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || http://ohloh.net/p/bzflag || 2.0.14 is the current release || No SOC 2010 for us |
| 20:46.52 | cygal | is there a gui for bzfs? what is this guy talking about? http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2896564&group_id=3248&atid=103248 |
| 20:47.21 | JefferyM | not anymore |
| 20:47.33 | JefferyM | we removed that menu from the client for v3 |
| 20:47.56 | JefferyM | 2.0.x lets you start a server from inside the game, that's what it referes to |
| 20:48.35 | cygal | ah, ok |
| 20:57.09 | Marzipan | lasermania game anyone with me ? |
| 20:57.18 | Marzipan | am on the server :) |
| 21:03.11 | KyleVE_ | I just tried to play for the first time in like a year but have insane lag. Bah. |
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| 22:38.30 | blast007 | remote: no, that's not all the API would do ;) |
| 22:38.48 | blast007 | we need to get stuff *out* of it too |
| 22:41.53 | blast007 | you're over simplifying it |
| 22:47.47 | blast007 | JefferyM: do you think the social site would be a good enough platform for a league module? |
| 22:48.27 | blast007 | (suppose it depends which system we decide to use) |
| 22:52.13 | JefferyM | I would hope it would be |
| 22:52.31 | JefferyM | that is one of my criteria for doing it |
| 22:52.48 | JefferyM | a module should be able to make a leauge "group" then put teams into subgroups |
| 22:53.01 | JefferyM | and it should be able to take matches and store them as part of the leauge group page |
| 22:53.05 | blast007 | well, would it list player IP addresses? ;) |
| 22:53.16 | blast007 | cuz I think that's something that league admins would want |
| 22:53.19 | JefferyM | that I dunno, it would depend on what kind of module we write |
| 22:53.42 | JefferyM | I'd think it'd have a subgroup for admins, and be able to show different data to users in those groups |
| 22:54.12 | JefferyM | I'm thinking of iit kinda like a facebook "app" that uses the social user data store to list additional data |
| 22:54.22 | JefferyM | it "should" all be feasable |
| 22:54.44 | JefferyM | then all you do to make a leauge is create a new name with the leauge module |
| 22:54.47 | blast007 | I just think a league module would be rather complicated to maintain (might break with newer versions of the social site), though it would require less code than a full league site |
| 22:54.56 | JefferyM | possibly |
| 22:55.06 | JefferyM | I don't know how abstracted the APIs for various social systems are |
| 22:55.15 | JefferyM | I'd hope the drupal system is fairly stable |
| 22:55.26 | JefferyM | with regards to module API access |
| 22:55.41 | blast007 | heh, maybe |
| 22:55.50 | JefferyM | it's something I think we should investigate at least |
| 22:55.57 | blast007 | yup |
| 22:56.28 | JefferyM | drupal has an "organic groups" module that lets people make groups and subgroups, I'd think you could have a leauge module do that too |
| 22:57.29 | JefferyM | and even if it's just as much work as a leauge site, at least you'd have a big group of devs able to maintain it, and we'd just push updates out to it once, rather then each leauge having to get current code/upgrade |
| 23:07.45 | JefferyM | I wasn't too impressed with the extensability of elgg |
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