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| 00:14.10 | Ebert_ | murielle where are ye |
| 00:18.39 | blast007 | not here |
| 00:19.10 | Ebert_ | mooo |
| 00:19.14 | blast007 | Ebert_: she's not on a channel, but she's online |
| 00:19.18 | blast007 | so /msg her |
| 00:19.56 | Ebert_ | cool thanks, forgot about that |
| 00:20.04 | Wreckage | a question: at what point do changes in settings or files become cheating? |
| 00:20.39 | blast007 | Wreckage: config settings, probably not at all, since anyone can do those |
| 00:21.09 | blast007 | jeff actually had a good way to put it - let me find it quick |
| 00:21.20 | Wreckage | Please do |
| 00:21.59 | Wreckage | I got the general idea from Known Cheats wiki and bottom of README |
| 00:22.09 | blast007 | "so you have to look at "why" they made the change, to help them play or to play for them" |
| 00:22.29 | blast007 | I can pastebin the whole conversation if that helps |
| 00:22.40 | Wreckage | Sure! |
| 00:25.48 | Wreckage | But couldnt someone say radarpath helps them play? |
| 00:28.32 | blast007 | ah, actually even better, the ibot logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/20100214.html.gz |
| 00:29.03 | blast007 | starts right near the top of that page |
| 00:29.25 | blast007 | Wreckage: the long radar line? or actual shot path prediction? |
| 00:29.47 | blast007 | long shot radar line* |
| 00:35.21 | Wreckage | Shot prediction like including ricos |
| 00:41.16 | Ebert_ | lame someone has my nick now on freenode |
| 00:41.40 | Wreckage | "fix it all up, include all the settings we want, and then let the users hack it up :)" -jeffm |
| 00:41.49 | Wreckage | Yes sir! |
| 00:42.01 | Ebert_ | may i have another |
| 00:42.33 | Wreckage | Blast: i guess i wish there were clear rules |
| 00:43.19 | Wreckage | Of what defines cheating esp. For leagues |
| 00:43.41 | Wreckage | Instead i just find warnings against cheating |
| 00:43.46 | me1 | shot prediction including ricos is regarded as cheating everywhere |
| 00:44.08 | Wreckage | Indeed |
| 00:44.28 | me1 | changing a line in your config to make long radar lines usually isn't |
| 00:44.35 | Wreckage | Because cheating in bzflag is ____? |
| 00:44.41 | Wreckage | Fitb |
| 00:45.27 | Wreckage | Changing the client code? |
| 00:45.29 | a_meteorite | Wreckage: sinful |
| 00:45.35 | Wreckage | Lol |
| 00:48.11 | Ebert_ | lots of subtle cheating im seeing |
| 00:48.33 | Ebert_ | i blame misslewar |
| 00:49.58 | Wreckage | Ill join the comittee to define it... |
| 00:50.35 | Ebert_ | how about 'no touchie we likey" |
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| 00:51.37 | Wreckage | Eh no. How bout changing client to have full screen radar? Before that is option in settings or config? |
| 00:51.56 | Wreckage | That is helping someone play... |
| 00:52.10 | a_meteorite | Wreckage: the definition most hold is an unreasonable source modification that deducts more information than normally available or to bypass weaknesses in protocol |
| 00:52.38 | a_meteorite | of course, defining "unreasonable" is up to each person. |
| 00:52.54 | Wreckage | Yeah thats what i was about to ask |
| 00:53.16 | a_meteorite | gotta use interpretable broad words for this |
| 00:53.24 | a_meteorite | maybe give some clear examples of what IS cheating |
| 00:53.28 | a_meteorite | and some examples that aren't |
| 00:53.32 | Wreckage | Lol. |
| 00:53.44 | a_meteorite | the rest is up to interpretation since it is impossible to predict what is next. |
| 00:53.54 | Wreckage | That is done halfway on wiki |
| 00:54.14 | a_meteorite | a lot of things the leagues consider cheating, I don't |
| 00:54.17 | Wreckage | Just look at known cheats page and config file page... |
| 00:54.22 | Wreckage | Such as? |
| 00:54.42 | a_meteorite | iirc, any source mod (even ones that are non-gameplay) is cheating and must be approved |
| 00:55.07 | Wreckage | Source? |
| 00:55.08 | a_meteorite | and I think there was some stuff with acceleration |
| 00:55.09 | Ebert_ | how about- you cant do anything that cant be done in the client interface |
| 00:55.15 | Ebert_ | in a perfect world eh |
| 00:55.20 | a_meteorite | it's been forever, but I believe it was GU. on their forums or such. |
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| 00:55.27 | Wreckage | Ebert what about config file? |
| 00:55.33 | a_meteorite | people had to submit their source mods or if they were caught with a compiled client they'd get banned |
| 00:55.54 | a_meteorite | so just not using a binary in and of itself was a flag for suspicion, which imho, is stupid |
| 00:56.03 | Wreckage | How can you tell? |
| 00:56.10 | a_meteorite | since any smart modder will change the version info and compile date |
| 00:56.15 | Ebert_ | if the config file needs to be made more generous, have that in the client |
| 00:56.17 | a_meteorite | and some people are forced to use source for whatever reason |
| 00:56.40 | a_meteorite | Ebert_: than maybe it should be limited in source to acceptable values |
| 00:56.47 | a_meteorite | config file is fair game |
| 00:56.48 | Wreckage | Well a lot of people like the cuatomization of bzflag |
| 00:56.54 | Ebert_ | right |
| 00:57.59 | Wreckage | Im trying to find a line drawn |
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| 00:58.14 | Ebert_ | its ethics, some have none |
| 00:58.14 | Wreckage | Which no one has drawn |
| 00:59.04 | Wreckage | It comes down to indoviduals deciding after it happens if its cheating |
| 00:59.38 | Wreckage | ---> opinions of indiviuals... |
| 00:59.53 | Gabe_G23 | Ebert_: :O |
| 01:00.11 | Ebert_ | some pluck the ethical string til it snaps |
| 01:00.44 | a_meteorite | some also create weird exceptions that don't jive with the rest of their philosophy |
| 01:01.03 | a_meteorite | it's like politicians poking holes in their own ideologies, saying "well... but THIS is okay..." |
| 01:01.12 | Ebert_ | but they'd be bored if they cheated on cheat-allowed servers |
| 01:01.25 | Ebert_ | which is what makes me perturbed |
| 01:01.38 | a_meteorite | cheating is not that large of a problem |
| 01:02.13 | Ebert_ | in GU it is seeming more of an issue |
| 01:02.49 | Wreckage | Meteorite: esp. Because there is no way to catch some of it |
| 01:02.55 | Ebert_ | but yea in general people arent that bored and attention hungry |
| 01:03.07 | Wreckage | For all i know half of gu is cheating |
| 01:03.19 | Ebert_ | you guys are fixin most of this in 3.0 right ;) |
| 01:04.04 | Ebert_ | im surprised at the number of people confidently banned in GU |
| 01:04.31 | blast007 | Wreckage: the leagues are actually pretty clear about what is and isn't cheating |
| 01:04.37 | blast007 | at least GU is |
| 01:04.45 | blast007 | they have a whitelist of what is allowed |
| 01:05.11 | Wreckage | Hmm havent seen that (link? :P) |
| 01:05.25 | blast007 | it's a forum post on the bzflag forum |
| 01:05.28 | blast007 | in the GU forum |
| 01:05.37 | blast007 | sticky'd to the top |
| 01:05.46 | a_meteorite | Ebert_: lots of cheating in 3.0 will still be possible |
| 01:05.54 | a_meteorite | iirc, blast007 said he could still do homing shcokwaves... lol... |
| 01:05.58 | Wreckage | K ill check that out now |
| 01:05.59 | blast007 | yeah :P |
| 01:06.11 | a_meteorite | or homing laser, was it? still. |
| 01:06.13 | blast007 | though that was a while ago, back when it was 2.1 |
| 01:06.14 | a_meteorite | no shot tracking on server. |
| 01:06.21 | blast007 | not sure if it improved since then |
| 01:06.24 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 01:06.28 | blast007 | probably not |
| 01:06.41 | a_meteorite | one improvement is with flags though |
| 01:06.49 | a_meteorite | server only sends flag IDs that are necessary, iirc |
| 01:07.00 | trepan | hm, what improvments does 2.99.x code actually provide? |
| 01:07.11 | trepan | drastically slower fonts |
| 01:07.14 | trepan | unicode support |
| 01:07.21 | trepan | (that still causes some crashes, iirc) |
| 01:07.24 | a_meteorite | in seriousness, not as much as was hoped for |
| 01:07.30 | a_meteorite | and there's this HUGE jittery problem |
| 01:07.33 | trepan | some minor map features |
| 01:07.43 | blast007 | quick, rename it back to 2.1.x! |
| 01:07.48 | trepan | unreliable networking? (order still an issue?) |
| 01:08.04 | a_meteorite | the new map features are pretty neat |
| 01:08.20 | a_meteorite | did lua stay in? I know it went in and then out.. |
| 01:08.39 | blast007 | lua is in the server, and in the client enough to do the global chat stuff |
| 01:08.41 | trepan | client-side lua (the cool stuff), was pulled |
| 01:08.56 | a_meteorite | meh |
| 01:08.59 | trepan | blast007: heh, almost forgot about that little bit ;) |
| 01:09.04 | blast007 | :) |
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| 01:09.40 | a_meteorite | and a release date is still nowhere in site, yay, progress! |
| 01:09.45 | blast007 | sight* |
| 01:09.56 | a_meteorite | hey, I got 4 hours sleep, mr. perfect :P |
| 01:10.02 | blast007 | well, site too - not published online anywhere ;) |
| 01:12.42 | Wreckage | Back |
| 01:13.10 | trepan | blast007: started to get some OpenGL statistics from the bzhubd log (60 different driver/cards so far) |
| 01:13.15 | Wreckage | So for GU they did a list of allowed |
| 01:13.26 | blast007 | trepan: hehe |
| 01:13.27 | Wreckage | And anytging else is cheating |
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| 01:13.41 | trepan | including such oddballs as, "Haiku's Mesa 7.4.4 Software Renderer" |
| 01:13.49 | Wreckage | Including fs radar as cheating |
| 01:13.57 | blast007 | Wreckage: possible, yes |
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| 01:14.35 | Wreckage | So it is cheating in GU, wheres the list for bzflag? |
| 01:14.39 | Wreckage | :D |
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| 01:15.05 | Wreckage | Or is it pursue at own risk? Lol |
| 01:15.23 | bryjen | heh, the BeOS guy still plugging along |
| 01:15.33 | blast007 | Wreckage: own risk |
| 01:15.35 | blast007 | ;) |
| 01:15.48 | a_meteorite | BeOS? people still use that? sheesh |
| 01:15.48 | blast007 | each server can have their own rules for what is and isn't cheating |
| 01:16.02 | blast007 | and not every admin will go by the same rules |
| 01:16.10 | a_meteorite | I'd hate to see what kind of exploits are available for that platform over all this time not being updated |
| 01:16.15 | blast007 | (the rules on most servers are non-existant or vague) |
| 01:16.22 | trepan | blast007: ... or use the same rules on any given day |
| 01:16.34 | a_meteorite | heh, a sign of an incompetently managed server |
| 01:16.36 | blast007 | a_meteorite: http://www.haiku-os.org/ |
| 01:16.40 | bryjen | a_meteorite: http://www.haiku-os.org/ opensource clone |
| 01:16.49 | blast007 | I win! |
| 01:16.53 | bryjen | ~bzfrag blast007 |
| 01:16.54 | ibot | ACTION trys a jump shot on blast007 and gets blown away by skill |
| 01:16.59 | blast007 | ;D |
| 01:17.00 | a_meteorite | I heard about it, ran it in qemu too |
| 01:17.02 | bryjen | apparently |
| 01:17.05 | blast007 | I rigged that factoid too |
| 01:17.17 | Wreckage | Well that sums it up i guess. Just what i didnt want to hear haha |
| 01:17.34 | a_meteorite | I dunno how compatible it is with BeOS though, simply cause it wasn't my thing |
| 01:17.40 | a_meteorite | a bit before my time too |
| 01:18.43 | Wreckage | Leads into problem of poor administration... I sure wish there was a universal set of admins... |
| 01:18.50 | Wreckage | ... Nah |
| 01:19.02 | a_meteorite | Wreckage: that is the aim with CAN |
| 01:19.12 | Wreckage | Ooh elaborate! |
| 01:19.38 | a_meteorite | along with a baseline set of rules and global enforcement, transparent enforcement (all issues are automatically ticketed and can be disputed, logs automatically recorded, etc) |
| 01:20.03 | a_meteorite | don't ask for any set date though, cuz there isn't one. we're working on it. |
| 01:20.23 | Wreckage | When can I expect this ... Ooh mind reader... |
| 01:20.28 | Wreckage | Jk |
| 01:20.43 | a_meteorite | I had a date set, but with school and my contracting work, it probably won't be made |
| 01:21.02 | Wreckage | Cursed real life... |
| 01:21.04 | a_meteorite | though I wanted to make it because of the significance of the date and the mantra that bzfx does nothing :) |
| 01:21.17 | a_meteorite | we'll see. maybe a partial implementation, but don't hold me to it |
| 01:21.31 | Wreckage | I will. |
| 01:21.50 | Wreckage | It's on my list of things to fix |
| 01:22.44 | a_meteorite | Wreckage: if you have skills available to donate, we're happy to see how you can help. #bzfx |
| 01:23.40 | Wreckage | Yeah I would like to pursue some more education as far as implementing ideas |
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| 01:24.06 | Wreckage | No one wants to hear |
| 01:24.16 | Wreckage | Me complain |
| 01:24.17 | a_meteorite | Wreckage: we're open to hearing them |
| 01:26.51 | Wreckage | Heh perhaps in the near future... |
| 01:29.13 | a_meteorite | Wreckage: a secret? pfft |
| 01:30.33 | Gabe_G23 | has updated wikipedia.org bzflag page for latest stable release --> 2.0.14 :o |
| 01:30.39 | a_meteorite | bbl, ~30 mins |
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| 04:55.11 | Guest29948 | Hello its me tommy again |
| 04:55.45 | Guest29948 | Requested my global login groups just now at the bb |
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| 04:56.48 | Guest29948 | Do you register for a global bzflag ID somewhere on the bb as well, or is that done in some other way? |
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| 04:59.12 | Guest29948 | Temporalid, thanks for your help earlier |
| 04:59.33 | Guest29948 | Same to chestal |
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| 05:00.53 | Guest29948 | Reading around on the wili right now looking fo an answer |
| 05:02.41 | thefirstdude | dude, register online |
| 05:03.29 | Guest29948 | I registered at the bulletin board. Is that all I need to do? |
| 05:03.39 | thefirstdude | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/ucp.php?mode=register |
| 05:03.41 | thefirstdude | yes |
| 05:04.28 | thefirstdude | it check weather you are a minor or not.. |
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| 05:04.32 | thefirstdude | or under 13 same thing |
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| 05:05.06 | Guest29948 | Sweet I thought there was more to it |
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| 05:05.49 | Guest29948 | Working on getting admin groups together is current focus of my efforts |
| 05:06.28 | Bambino | Guest29948: you requested a group I requested... |
| 05:06.34 | Guest29948 | For my bzflag server @ atrixnet.com |
| 05:07.11 | Guest29948 | I just requested atrixnet.cops , etc |
| 05:07.11 | Bambino | And you server needs it badly |
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| 05:07.25 | Bambino | And bznetwork.cops |
| 05:07.32 | *** part/#bzflag Kutakizukari1 (~Elijah@207-255-185-183-dhcp.gsv.md.atlanticbb.net) |
| 05:07.57 | Guest29948 | That was a typo. I'll ammend the post immediately |
| 05:08.13 | Guest29948 | Be back shortly |
| 05:08.20 | temporalD | Guest29948: I'm sure you meant to request ATRIXNET.COPS - you can just edit the post |
| 05:08.25 | Guest29948 | Deepest apologies |
| 05:08.33 | Guest29948 | Yes I'm going to edit |
| 05:08.39 | temporalD | great |
| 05:08.40 | Bambino | Thanks. I'll do the same to mine. It's alright :) |
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| 05:11.49 | Guest29948 | My post is edited |
| 05:11.55 | Guest29948 | Fixed |
| 05:12.08 | Bambino | Thx :) |
| 05:12.31 | Bambino | Do you need a hand setting up a groupdb, or do you know how? |
| 05:12.41 | Guest29948 | I was unaware of groups until kierra sent me a message via my website a few days ago |
| 05:13.08 | Bambino | Have you been reading the /reports on your server? |
| 05:13.14 | Guest29948 | I don't know how to set up a groupdb yet |
| 05:13.21 | Bambino | Ok |
| 05:13.32 | Bambino | What OS is your server running? |
| 05:13.38 | Guest29948 | Yes, but I only have received three reports ever |
| 05:14.13 | Guest29948 | Its running debian linux, with which I am very proficient |
| 05:14.41 | Bambino | First create a .txt file and name it groupdb, groups, what ever you wish to call it. |
| 05:15.20 | Guest29948 | I have the wiki open and thought it might have some guidance about setting up the groupdbs, but any direct help would b fantastic |
| 05:15.36 | Guest29948 | Ok |
| 05:15.53 | Bambino | Then in your server config file add this "-groupdb /path/to/whatever-you-named-your-file.txt" |
| 05:16.07 | Guest29948 | Ok I follow |
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| 05:18.47 | Bambino | With me so far? |
| 05:18.52 | Guest29948 | Then in that file I imagine I place usernames or globally registered group names? |
| 05:18.59 | Guest29948 | Yes with you |
| 05:19.02 | Bambino | Group names |
| 05:19.16 | Bambino | It will looks somehing like this: |
| 05:19.22 | Guest29948 | Ok |
| 05:19.39 | Bambino | ATRIXNET.COPS: ban unban playerlist |
| 05:19.50 | Bambino | And whatever perms you specify |
| 05:20.01 | Guest29948 | Oh that's freakin awesome |
| 05:20.14 | Bambino | There is a wiki page with all the perms and what the do |
| 05:20.21 | temporalD | the wiki article about is is here: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Setting_up_a_group_file |
| 05:20.41 | Guest29948 | Yeah I am fairly familiar with the commands |
| 05:20.55 | Guest29948 | Thanks for the link! |
| 05:21.22 | Guest29948 | What were you planning to use your invisible group for? |
| 05:21.37 | Bambino | Me? |
| 05:21.48 | Guest29948 | I am only trying to follow your example |
| 05:21.54 | Bambino | Ah. |
| 05:21.57 | Guest29948 | Yes, you, exactly |
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| 05:22.10 | Bambino | The bznetwork groups will be used globally for my servers |
| 05:25.05 | Bambino | ..and for your groups, make sure you use the correct names and spelling in the groupdb. Don't use any unregistered groups unless they start with local. |
| 05:26.09 | Bambino | Unless they start with local. |
| 05:27.10 | temporalD | "unless they start with local" ? |
| 05:28.10 | Bambino | My irc client cut out thr important part of that message |
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| 05:32.38 | tommycb | Connection dropped ;( |
| 05:32.50 | tommycb | What'd I midd? |
| 05:32.55 | tommycb | Miss? |
| 05:33.26 | tommycb | This is tommy butler again, this time with a nick woooo |
| 05:34.12 | Bambino | What was the last thing you remember? |
| 05:35.17 | tommycb | I asked you what you were going to use the invisible group for, then I dropped |
| 05:35.57 | Bambino | Oh. The bznetwork groups are going to be used globally on my servers |
| 05:36.30 | tommycb | Yeah I meant what permission were you going to give it |
| 05:36.48 | tommycb | Because I don't know of an invisible permission |
| 05:37.15 | Bambino | Not sure what you mean by that |
| 05:38.00 | Bambino | Oh, my .cops group would be getting admin privs on my servers. That what you mean? |
| 05:38.29 | tommycb | you had jujst showwd me how you give permissions to a group, such as kick, ban, playerlist... |
| 05:38.48 | Bambino | Yes |
| 05:39.17 | tommycb | Yes, that's what I mean |
| 05:39.17 | tommycb | What will your invisible list get? |
| 05:39.34 | Bambino | Invisible list? |
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| 05:40.37 | Bambino | I normally do something like this: |
| 05:40.39 | tommycb | The .HIDDEN list |
| 05:40.48 | Bambino | Oh |
| 05:40.59 | Bambino | HIDEADMIN |
| 05:41.27 | Bambino | Makes you show a + if you have the BAN or SHORTBAN perm |
| 05:41.28 | blast007 | if you want an example of a group file, this is (close to) what I use on MW2: http://static.bzexcess.com/groups |
| 05:41.46 | blast007 | some of the stuff there will be irrelevant, but it's another example at least :) |
| 05:41.57 | tommycb | Sweet! Reading/saving file |
| 05:42.05 | Bambino | Heh |
| 05:43.39 | tommycb | I also want to participate in the cheat anywhere, play nowhere concept CAPN. Do I'm trying to find ghost and get a membership to his site |
| 05:43.47 | blast007 | the few local groups I have there are used either by plugins, or referenced later as shotcuts to add a few permissions at once |
| 05:44.09 | tommycb | Cool. I follow |
| 05:44.24 | blast007 | and note that when you put * followed by a group name, it pulls in whatever that group had |
| 05:44.28 | Bambino | Tommy, you'd have to contact him |
| 05:44.42 | Bambino | But I'm not sure if he'd give you access |
| 05:44.49 | blast007 | so I use that a lot in my group file - means I don't have to specify stuff multiple times for each group |
| 05:44.51 | tommycb | How many days does it usually take to get groups granted? |
| 05:45.22 | blast007 | tommycb: depends how bored I or some else is ;) |
| 05:45.30 | tommycb | Got it. Nice shortcut syntax |
| 05:45.35 | tommycb | Hee hee |
| 05:45.52 | tommycb | Cool. I can wait. |
| 05:45.53 | Bambino | Could be a day, could be a week |
| 05:46.30 | Bambino | You can always ask for them to hurry up. They could do it right away, or just take their sweet old time :) |
| 05:46.49 | blast007 | I'll probably look at them on Friday |
| 05:46.53 | blast007 | or thursday night |
| 05:47.28 | Bambino | Sounds like a fun friday night ;) |
| 05:47.48 | blast007 | :P |
| 05:47.49 | tommycb | Far be it from me to rush anyone. I am so strapped for time always. The least I can do is be patient with others. |
| 05:48.31 | blast007 | and there goes my battery - g'night ;) |
| 05:48.58 | tommycb | thanks blast :) |
| 05:49.15 | tommycb | And thanks bambino too! |
| 05:50.20 | Bambino | You're welcome :) |
| 05:50.47 | tommycb | Gonna sign off and get my groupsdb file ready |
| 05:50.59 | Bambino | Good idea :) |
| 05:51.18 | tommycb | I hate cheaters and look forward to taking this step |
| 05:51.23 | Bambino | Do you has a group that will contain just you an your most trusted people? |
| 05:51.34 | Bambino | Same. |
| 05:51.47 | thefirstdude | am I trusted by thee |
| 05:52.06 | Bambino | Inferno :P |
| 05:52.10 | thefirstdude | or art though in doubt of thine trustability at this moment of current time |
| 05:52.16 | tommycb | Sure. You guys sure are |
| 05:52.28 | Bambino | Cool |
| 05:52.53 | Bambino | Just a tip: use only a groupdb. |
| 05:52.53 | tommycb | Talk to you |
| 05:53.09 | tommycb | Sorry what? |
| 05:53.10 | Bambino | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:53.29 | thefirstdude | uh, anyone can share them with anyone |
| 05:53.38 | Bambino | Have a group that is like ATRIXNET.OWNER |
| 05:53.38 | tommycb | Oh ok I got it. Will do. Most surely will do |
| 05:54.10 | tommycb | Good idea I'll put that in the post |
| 05:54.11 | thefirstdude | and like most ppl, cheaters will be proxying your udp and tcp pipelines and checking for /password commands |
| 05:54.12 | Bambino | And do +ALL !HIDEADMIN |
| 05:54.43 | Bambino | That will give you all perms and Denys you hideadmin even if it's given to you in a different group |
| 05:54.48 | thefirstdude | tommycb..what is thouest bzflag name that you have registered with thee most humble bzflag website of the internet |
| 05:55.31 | tommycb | Atrixnet is my bzname |
| 05:55.52 | Bambino | Oi. Shakespeare? |
| 05:56.11 | thefirstdude | hmm, I do not faintly remember seeing or imagining in my dream world playing in a game where you were on my playing list that I activate with my black and white "s" key... |
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| 05:56.59 | tommycb | I will share my groupsdb file with my trusted fellowes here to make sure its ready before I turn it loose in the wild |
| 05:57.08 | Bambino | thinks he is mentally impaired |
| 05:57.50 | thefirstdude | Inferno is my utterly cool bzflag name that I have been bonded to for many years now. |
| 05:58.07 | Bambino | Tommy, if you do use a /password - don't tell anyone! Not even me ;) |
| 05:58.18 | tommycb | I recognize that name |
| 05:58.38 | thefirstdude | I still remember when Disco Infenro came out (after I had been playing bzflag for long time) and the dumebst of noobs were asking if my name was based on the song |
| 05:59.24 | thefirstdude | don't tell me...you saw it on a perm ban list ;P |
| 05:59.33 | tommycb | my password is idiot and my social security number is... |
| 05:59.44 | Bambino | 123456789 |
| 06:00.04 | thefirstdude | my social security number is 476-15-2388 |
| 06:00.20 | thefirstdude | please check my background and screen for drugs and drunk driving |
| 06:00.43 | Bambino | registers identity thieft protection |
| 06:00.48 | tommycb | Don't drink and tank |
| 06:00.56 | tommycb | :) |
| 06:01.09 | thefirstdude | I will be pleased to inform that smoking ilegal drugs is very..cool to me and that I am an idiot |
| 06:01.10 | Bambino | Do, it's hilarious to watch drunk tankers |
| 06:01.30 | thefirstdude | how about drunk typers....sry I do not share webcam with guys |
| 06:01.31 | tommycb | Hahaha! |
| 06:01.54 | tommycb | Oh man that is funny |
| 06:02.25 | tommycb | I can only imagine drunk tanks |
| 06:02.44 | tommycb | Side splitting laughter |
| 06:02.50 | thefirstdude | Bambino, you really seen drunk tanks? |
| 06:03.05 | thefirstdude | we may need to call ambulance for tommy |
| 06:03.27 | thefirstdude | probably just bzflag players that are 4 years of age |
| 06:03.32 | thefirstdude | my little bros play sometimes |
| 06:03.56 | tommycb | "That bullet jumped right out at me... where did this building come from" |
| 06:03.58 | Bambino | Don't drink and tank, you might spill your beer |
| 06:04.22 | thefirstdude | I got a candle and I got a spoon I live in a hallway with no doors and no rooms |
| 06:04.38 | thefirstdude | under a windowsill they all were found a touch of concrete with in the doorway without a sound |
| 06:04.49 | thefirstdude | someone save me if you will and take away all these pills |
| 06:05.03 | thefirstdude | and pleas ejust save me if you can from my blasphemy in my waiste land |
| 06:05.08 | thefirstdude | wow that was fast typuing |
| 06:05.08 | tommycb | Trippy |
| 06:05.25 | thefirstdude | I love the complete poetry/stupidity of that song |
| 06:05.43 | thefirstdude | you heard it? |
| 06:05.44 | Bambino | I think this is more suited for #bzflag-chat |
| 06:05.48 | tommycb | Hippies be here |
| 06:06.10 | thefirstdude | sry, I should be saying...bzflag groupies are good |
| 06:06.23 | thefirstdude | if you are popular bzflag server you get them |
| 06:06.39 | thefirstdude | then you make them cop on your server so they always come there |
| 06:06.50 | tommycb | Well I'm off. Talk to you fine folks again when I've got a groupsdb file ready for review |
| 06:07.01 | thefirstdude | what is server name? |
| 06:07.11 | tommycb | L8r |
| 06:07.17 | thefirstdude | cya |
| 06:07.19 | tommycb | Atrixnet.com |
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| 06:07.38 | thefirstdude | weird, never heard of it |
| 06:07.54 | Bambino | Random map, no admins, chaos |
| 06:08.07 | Bambino | Soon to be random map, chaos |
| 06:08.09 | thefirstdude | I like random maps though |
| 06:08.38 | thefirstdude | I really liked cavern |
| 06:09.20 | thefirstdude | god I should probably stop listening to this dumb song |
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| 13:58.45 | atrixnet | any idea where to / how to contact .Ghost so I can participate in his CAPN concept? |
| 14:04.04 | Constitution | atrixnet: a private message on the bulletin board would probably work |
| 14:04.20 | atrixnet | thanks :) |
| 14:04.32 | atrixnet | i was told to look on IRC, but bbs works too |
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| 14:50.17 | Constitution | wow... didn't know that porting a simple opengl/sdl application from linux to mac could be so complicated :P |
| 14:52.11 | fluffymcduff | hey |
| 14:53.02 | Tonywolfe | hi |
| 15:08.14 | brlcad | Constitution: complicated? |
| 15:08.47 | brlcad | you fix the headers and add frameworks, should be all there is to it |
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| 15:09.19 | brlcad | knowing that you need to do those two things could be seen as a complex mystery, but once you know the steps are pretty simple |
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| 15:18.27 | fluffymcduff | Constitution: it was easy for me |
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| 15:21.06 | Constitution | brlcad: it was more complicated due to the learning curve... figured out some new things about SDL, like how it replaces the main function |
| 15:21.19 | brlcad | ah, yeah |
| 15:21.50 | Constitution | i.e., about an hour scratching my head about why I was getting a linker error for _main not defined :P |
| 15:22.08 | brlcad | that bit is SDL's on fault, SDLmain libraries you link against can be a pita.. but that's also why we bundle SDLmain.m with BZFlag |
| 15:22.36 | brlcad | so we don't have funky linkage, but main is still replaced (win32 does something similar too) |
| 15:23.33 | Constitution | so you can get SDLmain as a separate library too? I just included the files with my project like bzflag does |
| 15:23.50 | brlcad | understandable *why* they did it, so event handlers and input processing can all be initialized.. but I would have much rather preferred an init() routine |
| 15:24.19 | brlcad | yeah, they provide an SDLmain library (at least for some plats, don't know the current status on osx) |
| 15:24.27 | Constitution | still have to do SDL_Init() anyway |
| 15:24.29 | brlcad | was a matter of -lSDLmain |
| 15:24.39 | Constitution | ah yeah, I ran across that somewhere |
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| 16:00.02 | MrSupport88 | heya |
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| 16:00.20 | MrSupport88 | ho Upsetter ;) |
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| 18:06.25 | atrixnet | the atrixnet bzflag server is going to be under sustained heavy load today. should I post a repeating announcement from the bzfs server or should I just shut down the service. gameplay is going to be negatively affected, so I'm looking for advice |
| 18:06.40 | atrixnet | opinions? |
| 18:07.44 | JefferyM | its a game |
| 18:07.58 | JefferyM | shut it down and do what you have to do :) |
| 18:07.59 | atrixnet | indeed it is a game... ? |
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| 18:08.09 | atrixnet | ok thanks for your op Jeffery |
| 18:08.11 | JefferyM | if it's not playable kill it |
| 18:08.25 | JefferyM | it's not like it's a mission critical service :) |
| 18:11.41 | atrixnet | server killed |
| 18:11.58 | atrixnet | i'll prolly start posting announcements about service availability at the main website |
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| 18:19.29 | WarPig | Ping bztank.net admin |
| 18:19.55 | WarPig | ~seen swigg |
| 18:19.58 | ibot | swigg <~Default@bzflag/player/Swigg> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag-chat, 9d 53m 14s ago, saying: 'It's a genuine intel board; it should be stable'. |
| 18:21.31 | WarPig | "The Happy Man" on Two Tanks is cheating. Killed the enitire opposing team with one laser shot. |
| 18:22.19 | temporalD | on the way, WarPig |
| 18:24.21 | atrixnet | rock on. nail that cheater |
| 18:24.42 | WarPig | Was a registered callsign too. |
| 18:24.58 | WarPig | Blatent cheat. He admitted to it. |
| 18:25.43 | atrixnet | what a jerk |
| 18:25.57 | atrixnet | sorry i just have no tolerance for that |
| 18:26.04 | atrixnet | newaz back to work for me |
| 18:26.08 | atrixnet | thanks all |
| 18:26.13 | temporalD | bzid 42198 |
| 18:30.42 | WarPig | Made the rounds to all the servers I admin, couldn't find him. :( |
| 18:32.46 | temporalD | he has many callsigns - other registered are [Who] - bzid 42055 and Veet Voojagig - bzid 44032 |
| 18:32.52 | temporalD | CPE-65-29-145-23.wi.res.rr.com hostmask |
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| 23:01.12 | fluffymcduff | hey |
| 23:01.17 | JefferyM | hello |
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| 23:04.53 | fluffymcduff | can i put the bzexcess mumble password in my forum sig? |
| 23:05.12 | JefferyM | that'd be up to blast |
| 23:05.22 | fluffymcduff | blast007: can i? |
| 23:05.24 | JefferyM | but your sig doesn't seem to be the right place for it no mater what |
| 23:05.32 | fluffymcduff | heh. |
| 23:05.34 | JefferyM | make a post about it |
| 23:05.36 | JefferyM | that'd be better |
| 23:05.38 | fluffymcduff | okay. |
| 23:05.45 | JefferyM | your sig is not your blog ;) |
| 23:06.04 | fluffymcduff | lol, its just that every pest i make would be advertising it |
| 23:06.18 | fluffymcduff | _post facepalm |
| 23:06.18 | JefferyM | also not what a sig is for ;) |
| 23:09.37 | JefferyM | tho really if blast wants to advertise the server for players that should be up to him to post not you |
| 23:10.00 | fluffymcduff | i was about to say that |
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