| 00:00.00 | thefirstdude | one way for what? |
| 00:00.06 | thefirstdude | oh... |
| 00:00.09 | blast007 | ;) |
| 00:00.09 | JefferyM | remove the sound file |
| 00:01.04 | thefirstdude | or do everyone rogue..but then ppl won't know what team they are on |
| 00:01.37 | JefferyM | just call it donkeyball |
| 00:01.42 | blast007 | haha |
| 00:01.55 | thefirstdude | I like it |
| 00:02.03 | JefferyM | how do you score a goal? shoot a specific object? |
| 00:02.08 | JefferyM | or drive the flag home? |
| 00:02.38 | thefirstdude | I am thinking of putting some code from bzflag into bzfs to track bullets..in the server loop |
| 00:02.54 | JefferyM | good luck |
| 00:04.02 | thefirstdude | the whole point is being able to shoot it in....no way in heck will you be able to drive by a obese goalie with thief |
| 00:04.13 | JefferyM | you should be starting there then as that is the most major task you face |
| 00:04.17 | thefirstdude | there will be player positions |
| 00:04.27 | thefirstdude | with different settings |
| 00:04.41 | JefferyM | how are you going to give them th and ob? |
| 00:05.03 | thefirstdude | I already have where if you shoot someone with teamflag, they get the flag |
| 00:05.08 | thefirstdude | easy |
| 00:05.35 | thefirstdude | I tell them that _tankWidth and _tankHeight are 2 |
| 00:05.45 | thefirstdude | I tell others that they have obesity |
| 00:05.45 | JefferyM | that sets it for all tanks |
| 00:05.47 | JefferyM | not just one |
| 00:05.53 | thefirstdude | no, I can just tell them |
| 00:05.55 | JefferyM | so the goalie sees everyone fat |
| 00:06.02 | thefirstdude | oh... |
| 00:06.16 | JefferyM | vars are global for the clients that use them |
| 00:06.23 | JefferyM | and they use them in a global way |
| 00:06.31 | thefirstdude | I didn't think of that problem |
| 00:06.36 | thefirstdude | I know... |
| 00:07.08 | thefirstdude | oh..I tell the person with obesity that they all have tiny :) |
| 00:07.11 | thefirstdude | I think this works |
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| 00:07.30 | thefirstdude | but then there are the ppl with blue and red flags |
| 00:07.36 | blast007 | ;) |
| 00:08.08 | thefirstdude | guess what...remoteplayers can have more than 1 flag |
| 00:08.39 | JefferyM | how? |
| 00:08.42 | blast007 | [citation needed] |
| 00:08.45 | JefferyM | indeed |
| 00:09.02 | thefirstdude | when I shot my teamate he has thief..then he had 2 flags |
| 00:09.16 | blast007 | define "two flags" |
| 00:09.18 | blast007 | and "had" |
| 00:09.20 | JefferyM | there is no storage for that on server or client |
| 00:09.31 | JefferyM | what you probably saw was two different states |
| 00:09.35 | thefirstdude | it happened..want a screeny |
| 00:09.48 | JefferyM | no, I want you to say what you did that made the code do that |
| 00:09.52 | JefferyM | a picture dosn't mean anything |
| 00:09.59 | JefferyM | nor does a chat message |
| 00:10.11 | JefferyM | what message did you send to give the flag? |
| 00:10.43 | thefirstdude | donno, all I know is they had 2 flags on the tank, white and blue |
| 00:10.47 | JefferyM | and who did oyu send it to? everyone? or just the people who didn't get shot |
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| 00:11.12 | JefferyM | isn't going to bother anymore |
| 00:11.53 | thefirstdude | I am just saying, they somehow can have tiny, and blue flag will still be showing because they have 2 flags |
| 00:11.59 | thefirstdude | I don't know how or why |
| 00:12.09 | JefferyM | I know you don't know why |
| 00:12.20 | thefirstdude | oh, now I know |
| 00:12.24 | JefferyM | and that dosn't mean they had 2 flags, just you got a client stuck in a state where 2 drew |
| 00:12.28 | JefferyM | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.35 | JefferyM | that replaces the flag on grab |
| 00:12.52 | thefirstdude | I said to everyone they grabbed th, then blue flag without saying they dropped anything |
| 00:12.56 | JefferyM | you are lying to the clients and that's getting your graphics in bad states |
| 00:13.12 | blast007 | probably getting the flag state messed up |
| 00:13.31 | blast007 | the client with "two flags" would have seen itself as having only one flag |
| 00:13.33 | JefferyM | see, you don't know how computers work, so you are assuming what you see on screen means that specific logic happened in the client, when it did not. |
| 00:13.43 | thefirstdude | yeh..but I might be able to use this to my advantage |
| 00:13.55 | JefferyM | yeah the flag that wasn't droped still thought it was attached to the tank, just graphicaly |
| 00:14.07 | thefirstdude | dude, I know how they work...I know they won't be like stealthed and cloaked at the same time |
| 00:14.07 | JefferyM | that does not infer any type of gameplay logic |
| 00:14.20 | JefferyM | no, you think you know how they work ;) |
| 00:14.30 | thefirstdude | and they don't really have 2 flags, what I am wanting is the appearance of having blue flag while they still have tiny |
| 00:14.35 | blast007 | but you just say you don't know how or why about 10 lines up :P |
| 00:15.01 | thefirstdude | yeh, cause I didn't look into the bzflag scene renderer code.. |
| 00:16.15 | JefferyM | if you knew how it works then you'd have known how silly your statement is, knowing about that code I pated. |
| 00:17.45 | thefirstdude | looking back...I should have said they can appear to have more than one flag in the scene |
| 00:17.46 | thefirstdude | sry |
| 00:20.38 | JefferyM | not sure how that would have changed the conversation at hand when we were discussing how you planed on giving a player 2 flags, but ok...... |
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| 00:30.15 | thefirstdude | grr, I guess there will be no obese goalies! |
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| 00:47.13 | thefirstdude | sweet, the client doesn't assume anything when using thief |
| 00:47.28 | thefirstdude | this will make it easy to only allow stealing of teamflags :) |
| 00:51.20 | JefferyM | yes the later flags were built more intelegently |
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| 01:58.53 | Kutakizukari | Where do I find out on who to host maps? |
| 01:59.05 | Kutakizukari | how to host maps? |
| 01:59.21 | JeffM2501 | you mean how to start a server? |
| 01:59.56 | Kutakizukari | Yes |
| 02:00.15 | JeffM2501 | there are posts on the fourms, and articles on the wiki |
| 02:00.30 | JeffM2501 | what kind of host do you have to run it on? and what kind of bandwith? |
| 02:01.34 | Kutakizukari | VPS 300 GB of bandwidth |
| 02:01.56 | JeffM2501 | should run ok untill it runs out of bandwith |
| 02:02.04 | blast007 | the bandwidth should be just fine - MW2 only uses around 188GB/month |
| 02:02.36 | blast007 | heh, "only" :) |
| 02:02.43 | JeffM2501 | there is a post on the fourms that goes over how to run a pulbic server |
| 02:02.49 | blast007 | the bigger issue will probably be how well the VPS runs |
| 02:03.03 | blast007 | they're more prone to jitter because resources are being shared |
| 02:03.04 | JeffM2501 | bzfs isn't that beefy, it should be ok |
| 02:03.08 | Kutakizukari | Yeah thats true, do you have the link to that post? |
| 02:03.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah latency will be the issue |
| 02:03.24 | JeffM2501 | it's a sticky in the "server setup" section |
| 02:03.39 | JeffM2501 | there is also the server category on the wiki |
| 02:03.55 | Kutakizukari | Will check thank you for the help! |
| 02:04.17 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 02:05.49 | Kutakizukari | Are there any artwork fanpacks to use for a website? |
| 02:06.25 | Kutakizukari | Free to use? |
| 02:06.39 | JeffM2501 | we don't maintain any |
| 02:06.42 | blast007 | nothing official, no. the artwork that comes with BZFlag is licensed as LGPL though, so you could use that as long as you follow the license. |
| 02:06.45 | JeffM2501 | you can use anything from the game |
| 02:07.32 | Kutakizukari | What folder would it be under? |
| 02:07.38 | JeffM2501 | data |
| 02:07.47 | Kutakizukari | thanks |
| 02:09.40 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 0375.50.178.99 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6917 10/w/Web_BZFS_Manager: remove links to "BZWeb" and clean up language, mention open source status of project. remove unneded talk about paid version. |
| 02:11.11 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6918 10/w/Web_BZFS_Manager: teh is not a word |
| 02:13.19 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r0 10/w/Special:Log/delete: deleted "[[BugQ/BZFWeb]]": Unused redirect |
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| 02:14.17 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r0 10/w/Special:Log/delete: deleted "[[BZFWeb]]": Unused redirect |
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| 03:06.47 | mrapplecomputer1 | Anyone know why Im getting "This callsign was rejected" in big red letters when trying to join some servers? |
| 03:13.48 | Landon__ | No, the game just hates you |
| 03:13.55 | Landon__ | You sure your passwords right? |
| 03:15.22 | mrapplecomputer1 | yep |
| 03:15.38 | me1 | maybe the server doesn't like your callsign |
| 03:15.45 | JeffM2501 | becuase it rejected your callsign |
| 03:17.18 | mrapplecomputer1 | im just using "mrapplecomputer1" |
| 03:17.24 | mrapplecomputer1 | its always worked... untill now |
| 03:17.37 | me1 | mrapplecomputer1, the server can reject any name it wants |
| 03:17.45 | me1 | try a different name and see if it works |
| 03:18.06 | mrapplecomputer1 | mrapplecomputer doesnt work |
| 03:18.21 | JeffM2501 | talk to the owner |
| 03:18.22 | me1 | try something a little more different from your name |
| 03:18.56 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok a different name works... |
| 03:19.00 | mrapplecomputer1 | why wont mrapplecomputer1 work? |
| 03:19.06 | mrapplecomputer1 | this is bzbureau btw |
| 03:19.11 | me1 | mrapplecomputer1, because the server is rejecting it |
| 03:19.12 | JeffM2501 | because the owner blocked it |
| 03:19.24 | mrapplecomputer1 | i never blocked my callsign o.O |
| 03:19.34 | JeffM2501 | you own the server? |
| 03:19.38 | mrapplecomputer1 | yep |
| 03:19.47 | Constitution | mutiny |
| 03:19.48 | JeffM2501 | then you have a name filter |
| 03:19.55 | mrapplecomputer1 | ... |
| 03:19.56 | Landon__ | Const: haha |
| 03:20.00 | mrapplecomputer1 | i got it |
| 03:20.08 | mrapplecomputer1 | i just started using bambino's bad word file.. |
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| 03:20.29 | mrapplecomputer1 | and he banned my names |
| 03:20.35 | mrapplecomputer1 | speak of the devil, Bambino ! |
| 03:20.39 | Landon__ | Who you gonna call |
| 03:20.43 | JeffM2501 | you used it with out even reading it? |
| 03:20.47 | mrapplecomputer1 | thanks for adding my name to your bad words list |
| 03:21.01 | mrapplecomputer1 | heh JeffM2501 i looked over it, but didnt go in depth xP its like 800 lines |
| 03:21.14 | Landon__ | Lazy |
| 03:21.18 | Landon__ | oh |
| 03:21.20 | JeffM2501 | then you got what you deserved |
| 03:21.21 | Landon__ | 800 lines >.> |
| 03:21.29 | mrapplecomputer1 | xP |
| 03:21.40 | Landon__ | Bambi kinda owned you though |
| 03:21.49 | mrapplecomputer1 | yah id say... clever |
| 03:22.06 | JeffM2501 | here, let me give you this plugin to run, it's TOTALY safe ;) |
| 03:22.11 | mrapplecomputer1 | haha |
| 03:22.12 | Bambino | ?? |
| 03:22.27 | mrapplecomputer1 | bambino... |
| 03:22.37 | mrapplecomputer1 | in your bad words file were "mrapplecomputer |
| 03:22.45 | mrapplecomputer1 | and mrapplecomputer1 |
| 03:22.47 | mrapplecomputer1 | :| |
| 03:23.07 | Bambino | epic win |
| 03:23.10 | mrapplecomputer1 | heh |
| 03:23.41 | mrapplecomputer1 | good luck ever getting that operator plugin :D |
| 03:23.42 | Landon__ | Well done Bambino |
| 03:23.50 | Bambino | thx |
| 03:24.30 | Bambino | how long did it taek you to figure it out |
| 03:24.41 | mrapplecomputer1 | an entire IRC discusion |
| 03:24.46 | mrapplecomputer1 | maybe like 10 minutes xP |
| 03:24.54 | mrapplecomputer1 | i just put the list up a second ago |
| 03:25.00 | mrapplecomputer1 | then tried to join and i was like wth... |
| 03:25.00 | Bambino | aha |
| 03:25.18 | mrapplecomputer1 | quickly fixed and restarted all servers :D |
| 03:25.29 | mrapplecomputer1 | hmm i wonder what else you put in there :\ |
| 03:25.30 | Bambino | wins on all levels |
| 03:25.40 | mrapplecomputer1 | heads off to read all 800 lines of it |
| 03:25.51 | Bambino | watches mrapplecomputer1 read new words |
| 03:25.56 | mrapplecomputer1 | heh |
| 03:26.07 | mrapplecomputer1 | some reason i knew that was coming :\ |
| 03:26.32 | Landon__ | I'd do a ctrl-f on your name in the code mac ;D |
| 03:26.34 | mrapplecomputer1 | i didnt know you could ban client strings o.o |
| 03:26.39 | mrapplecomputer1 | Landon__: done |
| 03:26.43 | mrapplecomputer1 | i already did that before xp |
| 03:26.56 | Constitution | I suppose you blocked all league-related words, too? |
| 03:27.00 | Bambino | nope |
| 03:27.09 | mrapplecomputer1 | haha bambino i love how the list starts at hitler then goes into the as |
| 03:27.20 | Bambino | I don't like that guy, do you? |
| 03:27.29 | JeffM2501 | perhaps you could take your discussion private guys? |
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| 04:20.28 | Bulldozer | Is there any reason that the list server database would have a 75 second delay when queried from a certain range of IPs? |
| 04:21.13 | blast007 | how often are you querying it? |
| 04:21.22 | blast007 | or are you just talking about in-game? |
| 04:22.25 | Bulldozer | Not in-game: http://my.bzflag.org/db/ |
| 04:22.38 | blast007 | well, in-game calls the same page |
| 04:22.48 | blast007 | but answer the first question then :) |
| 04:23.13 | Bulldozer | Not very often. :P |
| 04:23.24 | blast007 | define "not very often" |
| 04:23.39 | blast007 | what are you doing exactly? |
| 04:24.24 | Bulldozer | As in, the first time I tried from IP 'A', it got a 75 s delay, whlie from IP 'B', it was fine. |
| 04:24.42 | blast007 | what about the second time you tried from IP 'A' |
| 04:24.49 | blast007 | it's possible apache was restarting |
| 04:25.06 | blast007 | it sometimes has to reset to shake off a botnet |
| 04:25.18 | Bulldozer | The same every time. Exactly 75.xxx seconds. |
| 04:25.50 | blast007 | no idea |
| 04:26.05 | Bulldozer | http://my.bzflag.org/ however, is fine. |
| 04:26.10 | blast007 | does it happen to here as well? http://my.bzflag.mobi/db/?action=LIST |
| 04:26.33 | blast007 | or whatever action you're running |
| 04:26.52 | Bulldozer | Yes, any action, or none at all, under /db/ takes 75s |
| 04:27.03 | blast007 | no, I mean, try that link |
| 04:27.09 | blast007 | different server, same code/db ;) |
| 04:30.09 | blast007 | (will probably work fine - though it won't do you any good since it's not a 'live' list - just a snapshot of when I copied the database data) |
| 04:30.23 | Bulldozer | That one takes 10 seconds... |
| 04:30.39 | Bulldozer | (For the 'problem' IP - from another it's fine) |
| 04:30.52 | blast007 | 10 seconds is still a while |
| 04:30.56 | blast007 | under 2 for me here |
| 04:31.16 | blast007 | sounds like your other ISP sucks |
| 04:31.33 | Bulldozer | It's really odd... any other part of the site will load fine. |
| 04:31.50 | blast007 | tried a different browser? |
| 04:32.07 | Bulldozer | It's definitely not a browser issue; this is curl |
| 04:32.20 | blast007 | tried it in a browser? |
| 04:32.22 | blast007 | ;) |
| 04:32.31 | Bulldozer | No GUI on the box ;-) |
| 04:32.37 | blast007 | links? lynx? |
| 04:32.56 | blast007 | or wget it |
| 04:32.57 | Bulldozer | wget behaves similarly :-) |
| 04:33.00 | blast007 | meh |
| 04:33.50 | blast007 | not like we're doing anything too special |
| 04:34.04 | blast007 | sending a few headers |
| 04:34.41 | Bulldozer | and it only happens to the database urls |
| 04:34.46 | blast007 | Cache-Control: no-cache\nPragma: no-cache\nConnection: close\nContent-type: text/plain |
| 04:35.02 | Quol | OK - I just banned sk3l from my decks server, and right after that bzfs crashed....any ideas what he did to have caused that? |
| 04:35.22 | Bulldozer | sending bad packets |
| 04:35.26 | blast007 | maybe your ban hammer was too big |
| 04:35.58 | Quol | blast007, I will keep that in mind for next time :) |
| 04:36.09 | blast007 | Quol: hard to say really, but yeah, could be malformed packets like Bulldozer said |
| 04:36.21 | blast007 | so next time, firewall him out instead of banning ;D |
| 04:36.31 | Quol | ok - thanks guys... |
| 04:36.52 | Quol | well - I can't firewall him out, he changes IP instantly, you have to id ban him |
| 04:37.02 | Quol | then at least he is forced to create a new bz account |
| 04:38.23 | Quol | just to give you an idea...he just joined my server right now, that's about 1 minute after the IP and bzid ban :) |
| 04:38.29 | Bulldozer | From what I've seen, sk3 doesn't have very many subnets that he works from. |
| 04:39.25 | Bulldozer | Although I guess you probably don't want to ban his entire range. |
| 04:39.37 | Quol | well - I am seeing them all over the place...67.x.x.x was what I banned, and he just joined from 78.x.x.x |
| 04:39.38 | blast007 | I just have his host banned on my server |
| 04:39.47 | blast007 | adsl-67*.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net |
| 04:39.54 | Quol | that changes too |
| 04:39.54 | blast007 | and then I whitelist people as needed |
| 04:40.12 | Bambino | Black Ham is also registered, him also |
| 04:40.17 | blast007 | meh |
| 04:41.04 | blast007 | s/is/was/ ;) |
| 04:41.49 | Bambino | :) |
| 05:00.18 | JeffM2501 | the list server does have mod-security and firewall stuff that may slow down some connections |
| 05:01.58 | blast007 | but that would be for everything |
| 05:02.03 | Bulldozer | exactly |
| 05:02.03 | blast007 | not just the /db/ stuff |
| 05:04.39 | Bulldozer | mod_security could be applied to /db/ in theory, but is it? |
| 05:05.35 | Bulldozer | ... and if it is, why would this set of IPs being slowed? (also, why would the .mobi site, which likely doesn't have the same setup, have a similar problem?) |
| 05:05.54 | JeffM2501 | to make scripts time out |
| 05:06.09 | JeffM2501 | mobi does not have mod security |
| 05:06.26 | blast007 | nor a firewall, which is his point |
| 05:06.36 | blast007 | it was slow (though not AS slow) there too |
| 05:06.41 | JeffM2501 | he's not in the ban list? |
| 05:06.43 | blast007 | took 10 seconds at the .mobi |
| 05:06.51 | blast007 | if he was, he wouldn't get the list |
| 05:06.55 | JeffM2501 | or close to the ban list? |
| 05:07.07 | Bulldozer | As far as I know I'm not :-) |
| 05:07.10 | JeffM2501 | dunno then |
| 05:07.16 | JeffM2501 | maybe that one IP has crap routes |
| 05:07.40 | blast007 | but the rest of the site loads fast |
| 05:07.44 | blast007 | just /db/ is slow |
| 05:07.49 | blast007 | and only on that one IP ;D |
| 05:07.58 | Bulldozer | Actually on a set of IPs |
| 05:08.00 | JeffM2501 | cache? |
| 05:08.03 | blast007 | k |
| 05:08.17 | blast007 | or a proxy, maybe |
| 05:08.23 | Bulldozer | No, straight curl/wget, and no proxy |
| 05:08.24 | blast007 | our cache control headers might be pissing something off |
| 05:08.35 | blast007 | Bulldozer: no transparent proxy somewhere between? |
| 05:08.48 | Bulldozer | Possible... not sure. |
| 05:09.00 | JeffM2501 | I sp have a proxy? |
| 05:09.28 | Bulldozer | Not as far as we are aware. |
| 05:09.41 | Bulldozer | If there is, they didn't tell us about it. |
| 05:09.51 | blast007 | ooo, here's an idea |
| 05:09.53 | Bulldozer | There shouldn't be... this is a dedicated server. |
| 05:09.57 | blast007 | try accessing it on port 81 instead |
| 05:10.04 | Bulldozer | 'k |
| 05:10.42 | blast007 | and/or 8080 |
| 05:12.22 | Bulldozer | Still exactly 75 seconds for 80,81,8080 |
| 05:12.39 | blast007 | fun |
| 05:13.14 | blast007 | imagine it's the same if you do http://my.bzflag.org/bzfls.php instead of http://my.bzflag.org/db/ ? |
| 05:15.33 | Bulldozer | Yes, as a matter of fact; the only URL below /db/ that behaves that way. |
| 05:15.58 | JeffM2501 | it's the same file |
| 05:16.03 | blast007 | /db/ maps to that file |
| 05:18.26 | blast007 | wonder if weblogin would act similarly slow |
| 05:18.33 | blast007 | it has the same cache headers |
| 05:19.23 | blast007 | except for "Connection: close", which I think was a fix when the curl setup in old clients held a connection open to the list server until the client closed ;) |
| 05:22.01 | blast007 | Bulldozer: see if this loads slow too: http://my.bzflag.org/weblogin.php?url=http://example.com |
| 05:27.33 | Quol | night all |
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| 05:31.09 | Bulldozer | blast007: The last link you posted loads fast |
| 05:37.21 | JeffM2501 | maybe it just dosn't like that big form |
| 05:37.28 | JeffM2501 | if you make it a query does it work? |
| 05:38.28 | Bulldozer | JeffM2501: The form has nothing to do with it... |
| 05:38.33 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 05:39.15 | Bulldozer | time curl "http://my.bzflag.org/bzfls.php" yields 75.5s +/- 0.5s |
| 05:39.35 | Bulldozer | regardless of the query or lack thereof |
| 05:39.54 | JeffM2501 | sucks to be on your server I guess then :) |
| 05:44.13 | JeffM2501 | what ISP is it? |
| 05:44.20 | Bulldozer | time curl "http://my.bzflag.org/bzfls.php" on the other hand yields 0.5s +/- 0.5s |
| 05:44.58 | Bulldozer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.03 | Bulldozer | It's somewhere in heraklesdata.net Sacramento |
| 05:46.21 | Bulldozer | They just bought out serverminds.com where it was before. |
| 05:47.02 | Bulldozer | Does the script do any kind of reverse lookup or anything like that? |
| 05:48.33 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 05:48.47 | JeffM2501 | make sure the domain points to the same IP you are coming from etc. |
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| 05:51.47 | JeffM2501 | do you have a funky host lookup? |
| 05:52.00 | JeffM2501 | tho if you arn't registering to host it should not do that |
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| 05:54.25 | trepan | apache/php probably does reverse lookups regardless of the script contents (depending on the config) |
| 05:55.15 | JeffM2501 | that would affect all pages then |
| 05:59.20 | trepan | yup, seems the apache HostnameLookups config directive controls it (or part of it), can be configured differently by directory / server / vhost |
| 05:59.40 | KingRobot | Is the bzfls.php the same as bzfls2/index.php in trunk? |
| 06:01.21 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 06:01.28 | JeffM2501 | that's a rewrite |
| 06:04.56 | KingRobot | Does the live version call gethostbyaddr anywhere? |
| 06:07.28 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 06:07.35 | JeffM2501 | $values['hostname'][0] = gethostbyaddr($_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR']); |
| 06:07.47 | JeffM2501 | it's for the ban list |
| 06:08.21 | KingRobot | Great... looks like the new colo host busted reverse DNS; that'd be where the problem is. |
| 06:08.29 | KingRobot | Guess we'll have to figure that one out. |
| 06:08.37 | JeffM2501 | that sucks |
| 06:09.15 | KingRobot | Well at least the problem is explained. |
| 06:09.24 | JeffM2501 | yep, don't use that ISP :) |
| 06:10.15 | KingRobot | Not much choice in the matter... we had 8 months left on our contract and the previous owner went bankrupt :P |
| 06:10.56 | JeffM2501 | hates fly by night ISPs |
| 06:11.21 | KingRobot | There were a few days we thought we were going to lose the entire server - data and everything. |
| 06:11.35 | JeffM2501 | we used to have a crap ISP, but got off of them |
| 06:11.48 | JeffM2501 | we had to pick our server up in the garage under the building |
| 06:11.53 | JeffM2501 | that's how flighty they were |
| 06:12.14 | KingRobot | Yeah this guy was about the same. These new ones don't seem much better... we'll probably change when this contract is up. |
| 06:12.30 | JeffM2501 | you can probalby find a way to get out of the contract |
| 06:12.34 | JeffM2501 | we did |
| 06:13.38 | JeffM2501 | it was like "you know that part if your compnay name that says 'internet service provider', we think you should actualy provide internet service if you want to keep being paid" |
| 06:15.34 | Constitution | except we paid for one year up front |
| 06:16.09 | Constitution | not exactly a contract, but kinda :) |
| 06:17.01 | JeffM2501 | oh ouch |
| 06:17.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah, that's not smart |
| 06:17.09 | JeffM2501 | how much was it? |
| 06:17.36 | Constitution | $450 for a year |
| 06:17.44 | JeffM2501 | with your hardware? |
| 06:17.51 | Constitution | nope, hardware provided |
| 06:18.06 | JeffM2501 | how much bandwith? |
| 06:18.24 | JeffM2501 | and what kinda machine? |
| 06:18.31 | Constitution | 1TB/mo with 1Mbit up/down iirc... |
| 06:19.07 | KingRobot | The box was a DP 2.6Ghz Xeon with 4Gb ram. |
| 06:19.22 | JeffM2501 | that's not too bad |
| 06:19.33 | KingRobot | No it was fair for the price until all this happened. |
| 06:19.37 | JeffM2501 | a good deal, but the "all up front" ones are often scam. |
| 06:19.51 | JeffM2501 | I'm payin 50$ a month for dual xeon 3.2s |
| 06:19.58 | JeffM2501 | but only 500gigs |
| 06:20.07 | KingRobot | With who? |
| 06:20.09 | JeffM2501 | tho it can do 10megs up and down |
| 06:20.10 | JeffM2501 | sagonet |
| 06:20.14 | JeffM2501 | same place .bz is hosted |
| 06:20.38 | JeffM2501 | I was paying 60 for a 2 gig P4 with a tb bandwith |
| 06:20.51 | KingRobot | Wern't we on sagonet before this Const? |
| 06:20.53 | JeffM2501 | we never came close tot hat |
| 06:21.50 | KingRobot | How'd you get that out of them? I don't see prices anywhere near that. |
| 06:21.54 | JeffM2501 | XL host was a bit cheaper |
| 06:22.13 | JeffM2501 | KingRobot, been a customer for a while, they cut me a deal cus they were out of the end of year sale one I wanted. |
| 06:22.49 | JeffM2501 | oh no sorry, I'm paying 60 |
| 06:22.53 | JeffM2501 | not 50 |
| 06:23.16 | JeffM2501 | I wanted the 50 at first but then we wanted more CPU |
| 06:23.28 | JeffM2501 | I was paying 70 |
| 06:23.43 | JeffM2501 | it's split over 4 people so we all pay 15 now |
| 06:23.48 | JeffM2501 | makes it very reasonable |
| 06:25.24 | JeffM2501 | tho if I all I was doing was web stuff I'd move to vps.net |
| 06:25.54 | JeffM2501 | that could probably work for bzfs as well, but not other game servers |
| 06:26.04 | JeffM2501 | if it wasn't laggy |
| 06:26.24 | KingRobot | All I'm doing is web stuff, but it's pretty CPU and data intensive. Const is hosting bzfs of course. |
| 06:26.54 | JeffM2501 | vps.net vhosts are 20$ a "node" |
| 06:27.06 | JeffM2501 | each node gets you 400mz of cpu time on a cloud node |
| 06:27.21 | JeffM2501 | as a 400mhz process or 2 200mhz processes |
| 06:27.26 | JeffM2501 | and you can add nodes at any time |
| 06:29.34 | JeffM2501 | sagonet's been fine ever since they got there power systems worked out |
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| 15:57.08 | Quol_at_work | hmm, looks like if I /idbanlist on one of my bzfs instances, it crashes right away...with a warining in the logs:" WARNING: Network message being sent is too long! (message is 133, cutoff at 128)" |
| 15:57.27 | Quol_at_work | is that because of the description messages associated with the idban? |
| 15:59.13 | Quol_at_work | ya - seems to be...is that expected? if a ban message is too long that the bzfs instance should crash? |
| 15:59.27 | trepan | nope, that shouldn't be the case |
| 15:59.35 | trepan | gdb / stacktrace / bzfs version ? |
| 16:01.13 | Quol_at_work | if I have a long message it craps out. the version is from svn built yesterday against the v2_0 branch....getting the svn info now |
| 16:01.38 | Quol_at_work | 20755 |
| 16:02.51 | Quol_at_work | I just tried it with an old bzfs built last march from svn, and it does the same thing. So it doesn't look like it's something that's been itroduced in at least a year.. |
| 16:03.07 | Quol_at_work | as last march's does the same thing (built from svn on march 03, 2009) |
| 16:03.31 | blast007 | "Last Changed Rev: 20751" ? |
| 16:03.56 | Quol_at_work | ya..that's the one. but I guess the tags etc..has svn marked at 20755 |
| 16:04.06 | Quol_at_work | but if I svn info, it says 20751 |
| 16:04.12 | blast007 | 20755 is probably trunk |
| 16:04.16 | Quol_at_work | svn update says "at revision 20755" |
| 16:04.58 | blast007 | I'm running 20707 right now |
| 16:05.12 | blast007 | but the only change that was done was in src/bzfs/ListServerConnection.cxx |
| 16:05.18 | Quol_at_work | just idban someone with a message that's longer then 128 |
| 16:05.27 | blast007 | tries |
| 16:05.32 | Quol_at_work | should crash when you do /idbanlist |
| 16:06.23 | Quol_at_work | and when you restart the server, it will crash every time you do /idbanlist :) |
| 16:06.29 | Quol_at_work | bzfs server I mean |
| 16:06.36 | blast007 | worked fine for me |
| 16:06.46 | Quol_at_work | really...? |
| 16:06.48 | Quol_at_work | hmm |
| 16:06.51 | blast007 | I maxed out the length of the text input in the graphical client |
| 16:07.03 | Quol_at_work | and you did /idbanlist ? |
| 16:07.12 | blast007 | oh, no, hold on |
| 16:07.15 | Quol_at_work | and you see the truncated message? |
| 16:07.46 | blast007 | I guess I'll assume the message was truncated |
| 16:07.50 | blast007 | I just did lots of h's ;) |
| 16:07.55 | Quol_at_work | lol |
| 16:08.06 | blast007 | didn't crash when I ran /idbanlist |
| 16:08.11 | Quol_at_work | hmm |
| 16:08.24 | Quol_at_work | scatches head |
| 16:08.29 | Quol_at_work | *scrathes |
| 16:09.07 | Quol_at_work | I tried it on 5 different bzfs server versions...all crahsed...when I build them I just ./configure --disable-client --enable-shared |
| 16:09.13 | blast007 | replaced the last letter of the line with 1 and then did it again |
| 16:09.14 | Quol_at_work | maybe I am missing something>? |
| 16:09.17 | blast007 | it didn't truncate it |
| 16:09.43 | Quol_at_work | so you can get a message that's greater then 128 characters? |
| 16:09.55 | Quol_at_work | on mine it clearly will only accept less then 128 |
| 16:09.58 | blast007 | "/idban +100 1d fdfsdfdsfhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhjjjjhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh1" |
| 16:10.04 | blast007 | that was the ban I did |
| 16:10.14 | blast007 | and when I did an idbanlist, it came back fine |
| 16:10.34 | blast007 | let me try one other thing |
| 16:10.42 | blast007 | I'm assuming the person you banned was currently playing? |
| 16:10.57 | blast007 | and did you ban by slot number? |
| 16:11.04 | Quol_at_work | yes |
| 16:11.20 | Quol_at_work | but I was able to reproduce it with just /idban and /idbanlist |
| 16:11.21 | blast007 | yes to both? |
| 16:11.29 | Quol_at_work | ban by slot, and the person was playing |
| 16:11.42 | blast007 | does using the above command make it crash when you do an idban? |
| 16:12.09 | blast007 | I'll try the way you did it |
| 16:12.12 | Quol_at_work | that was only 112 characters by the way...needs to be longer then 128 |
| 16:12.18 | blast007 | yeah |
| 16:12.36 | blast007 | when you did it by slot number, it adds their name to the reason |
| 16:12.39 | Quol_at_work | keep that h key pressed down :) |
| 16:12.42 | blast007 | (well, by slot number or by name) |
| 16:13.18 | blast007 | and because you did it by slot number instead of by name, you were able to make the reason longer |
| 16:13.31 | blast007 | so that's likely the issue |
| 16:13.46 | Quol_at_work | but on my client, even though it's off screen, you can still type and it will accept it up to a certain lenght |
| 16:13.54 | blast007 | right |
| 16:14.11 | Quol_at_work | I am guessing that that length is greater than 128 |
| 16:14.18 | blast007 | no |
| 16:14.25 | Quol_at_work | really...it is 128? |
| 16:14.27 | blast007 | the above example is as far as I could type |
| 16:14.41 | Quol_at_work | I can easily get way more then that on the windows builds |
| 16:14.50 | Quol_at_work | I do it all the time |
| 16:14.50 | blast007 | which is 128 exactly |
| 16:14.57 | blast007 | I'm on Windows |
| 16:15.07 | blast007 | 2.0.10 |
| 16:15.23 | Quol_at_work | ya - that's what I use... |
| 16:15.42 | blast007 | how long was their name? |
| 16:15.44 | Quol_at_work | I can get way longer than that most of the time :) |
| 16:15.57 | Quol_at_work | name wasn't long: 8 characters |
| 16:16.04 | blast007 | what was the ban duration? |
| 16:16.08 | Quol_at_work | was sk3l's "XXXX ham" name |
| 16:16.14 | Quol_at_work | can't remember the first part |
| 16:16.18 | Quol_at_work | max |
| 16:16.26 | blast007 | War Ham? Black Ham? |
| 16:16.30 | Quol_at_work | both :) |
| 16:16.33 | blast007 | hehe |
| 16:16.44 | blast007 | so "max" or 0? |
| 16:17.14 | Quol_at_work | and I was able to type something like: "I hvae to leave and I don't trus you at all, you have "shown your true colors" time and time again, good bye" |
| 16:17.37 | Quol_at_work | I saw most of it in the client, and it truncated it to 128, then crashed :) |
| 16:18.18 | Quol_at_work | and I used "max" as duration |
| 16:18.53 | Quol_at_work | I thought it was him sending funny packets...but alas, it was my big ban message :) |
| 16:18.56 | blast007 | looks like the problem is that it added the name and "reason: " to the message it output |
| 16:19.20 | blast007 | I was able to get it up to 139 characters with "Black Ham" as the name |
| 16:19.28 | blast007 | around 139* |
| 16:19.55 | Quol_at_work | ya...did it truncate and crash - or is that still unique to me? |
| 16:20.07 | blast007 | oh, I wasn't doing it in the client |
| 16:20.12 | blast007 | I was doing it in notepad ;) |
| 16:20.38 | Quol_at_work | I had to idunban so my server would stop crashing... :) |
| 16:20.54 | blast007 | did a ban command with a single digit slot number and 'max' as the duration and the longest reason possible |
| 16:21.10 | blast007 | and that ended up with 138 as the final length of the command |
| 16:21.15 | blast007 | of the message* |
| 16:21.30 | blast007 | three spaces before 'reason:' |
| 16:21.37 | blast007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.39 | trepan | Quol_at_work: can you run under `gdb' and generate a stacktrace? |
| 16:22.03 | Quol_at_work | ya...probably could :) |
| 16:23.12 | Quol_at_work | anyway to get war ham's id...is that public(ish) info on the forums (I guess not)...in the unban, I copied it to my clipboard, with with all my testing that's gone...ooops |
| 16:23.36 | blast007 | technically those two names won't work anymore anyway |
| 16:23.40 | blast007 | I deactivated them |
| 16:23.57 | Quol_at_work | ok - thx... |
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| 16:24.46 | blast007 | trepan: I could likely get one here in a sec |
| 16:25.30 | Quol_at_work | oohhh, bzadmin accepts a much smaller line...I can't get as long a line in bzadmin.. |
| 16:25.45 | Quol_at_work | I can't use the bzclient here at work tre..I will have to wait until tonight |
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| 16:26.14 | blast007 | Quol_at_work: I'll get a trace for him if mine crashes too, which I imagine it should :) |
| 16:26.24 | Quol_at_work | ok |
| 16:26.31 | trepan | Quol_at_work: i thought that '/idbanlist' would cause your crash |
| 16:26.37 | trepan | can't do that from bzadmin? |
| 16:26.54 | Quol_at_work | not anymore since I remover (/idunban) the problem line |
| 16:27.01 | Quol_at_work | *removed |
| 16:27.21 | Quol_at_work | and now I can't recreate a long line just with bzadmin |
| 16:27.39 | Quol_at_work | it accepts a much smaller line then the client (windows at least) |
| 16:28.50 | Quol_at_work | wonders how hard it would be to have bzadmin accept a large line |
| 16:30.20 | blast007 | trepan: http://pastebin.com/m71cd352d |
| 16:30.47 | blast007 | though I think I have some modifications in my bzfs code, so line numbers might not be 100% accurate with yours :/ |
| 16:32.05 | blast007 | bzfs.cxx* |
| 16:32.56 | trepan | blast007: i picked up v2_0branch myself, also crashes here (x64_86/linux) |
| 16:33.01 | blast007 | k |
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| 16:35.19 | Quol_at_work | trepan, I guess that means you successfully reproduced it? |
| 16:49.46 | trepan | Quol_at_work: ya, i reproduced it; think it's the sprintf()'s overrunning the buffer |
| 16:51.08 | Quol_at_work | heh - and I just increased bzadmin's CMDLENGTH constant so that I could get a 127 character line out of bzadmin, and get a greater then 128 long message :) |
| 16:51.49 | Quol_at_work | but glad you were able to reproduce it... |
| 16:52.24 | trepan | Quol_at_work: seem the sprintf()'s there have already been fixed with snprintf in trunk |
| 16:52.30 | trepan | s/seem/seems |
| 16:52.43 | Quol_at_work | trunk = 3.0 though - yes? |
| 16:52.45 | trepan | you could probably just copy that code to fix the crashes |
| 16:52.51 | Quol_at_work | or what will be 3.0 |
| 16:52.52 | trepan | 2.99.x ;) |
| 16:53.05 | Quol_at_work | hmm - ok, will give that a shot |
| 16:54.00 | Quol_at_work | I should get back to my real work though....although I would just rather do this stuff :) thx for the help/point in the right direction |
| 17:08.11 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20756 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzfs/AccessControlList.cxx: |
| 17:08.11 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: * backported the s/sprintf/snprintf/ fix from trunk |
| 17:08.11 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: (for /hostbanlist and /idbanlist) |
| 17:09.01 | trepan | Quol_at_work: that fixed the crash here |
| 17:12.39 | Quol_at_work | ooh, thanks tre, I will build it right now :) |
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| 17:19.51 | trepan | Quol_at_work: i can also commit backports for the anti-flicker, mouse-clamp, and anti-ground-shake features |
| 17:20.06 | trepan | (copied my changes from v2_0_12 to v2_0branch) |
| 17:21.22 | trepan | (also includes a fix for stencil shadows, stencil buffer is not allocated by default) |
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| 17:25.30 | blast007 | trepan: that would be cool :) |
| 17:27.38 | trepan | no, it's kind of sad ;) |
| 17:30.13 | blast007 | hehe |
| 17:32.23 | Quol_at_work | heh :) |
| 17:32.34 | Quol_at_work | well- thanks again blast007 and trepan |
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| 18:09.23 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20757 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ (11 files in 4 dirs): |
| 18:09.23 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: -- backports from trunk |
| 18:09.23 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: * added the Options->Display->AntiFlicker option |
| 18:09.23 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: * added the Options->Input->ConfineMouse (MotionBox) option |
| 18:09.23 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: * adjusted BackgroundRenderer::drawGroundCentered() to reduce flickering |
| 18:09.24 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: * set the default stencil depth to 1 |
| 18:09.42 | JefferyM | blast007, joevano group request thread got to 10 pages so I locked it and made a new one |
| 18:09.56 | JefferyM | oooo trepan wants a .14 :) |
| 18:10.22 | trepan | na, copied my changes from v2_0_12 to v2_0branch to test a crash that Quol had |
| 18:10.33 | trepan | didn't really consider 2.0.14 ;) |
| 18:10.42 | JefferyM | we should probalby do one |
| 18:10.47 | JefferyM | just for craps and giggles |
| 18:10.56 | JefferyM | have const make an official mac build at least |
| 18:11.52 | trepan | lock it, post, let 'em play for a couple of weeks, then release? |
| 18:11.54 | JefferyM | umm, did SkindupTruk just post a bunch of maps by other people? |
| 18:12.07 | JefferyM | pfff, stamp it and release |
| 18:12.21 | JefferyM | enough people have been using .13 it's been plenty fine playtested |
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| 18:16.34 | kierra | blast007: |
| 18:20.57 | JefferyM | moves em all to the attic for now |
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| 19:03.31 | JefferyM | brlcad, you got any problem with stamping out a 2.0.14 just so that debian stable dosn't have some random 2.0.13 version? |
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| 19:03.40 | JefferyM | and so we can do a modern mac intel build |
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| 19:05.59 | Dontkillme | Does 2.0.14 have new features? |
| 19:06.06 | JefferyM | no |
| 19:06.14 | JefferyM | other then a few things backported |
| 19:06.17 | JefferyM | and some cleanup |
| 19:06.28 | JefferyM | like fonts that don't break the law |
| 19:06.40 | JefferyM | it would just be a maint release |
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| 19:07.08 | JefferyM | it just bugs me that debian stable has a version that we flag as "development" |
| 19:07.31 | JefferyM | and we haven't done a mac build in a long while |
| 19:09.40 | TimRiker | I forget the reason I did the debian .13 upload. There was some issue with .12 that was fixed in the dev tree. I probably should have done a .14 release then. I'm fine with it happening now if anyone pushes for it. |
| 19:09.55 | JefferyM | timRiker it was to replace the fonts |
| 19:10.03 | TimRiker | ah! that's it. :) |
| 19:10.10 | JefferyM | or we would have been pulled from debian |
| 19:10.16 | JefferyM | yeah we should have done that as a 14 |
| 19:10.29 | JefferyM | I mean it'll only take like an HOUR to do the release |
| 19:10.34 | JefferyM | it's been tested for aged |
| 19:10.41 | JefferyM | ages |
| 19:10.54 | JefferyM | what do you want to name it? |
| 19:10.56 | TimRiker | course .14 probably won't make it into lenny now that lenny has shipped. I'd have to find some "security" issue to push it through. |
| 19:11.11 | JefferyM | well at least it woudl exist |
| 19:11.21 | TimRiker | we already had a "never say never" release. :/ |
| 19:11.22 | JefferyM | and it'd get into ubuntu |
| 19:11.45 | JefferyM | BZFlag 2.0.14 "Oh $#!*" |
| 19:11.59 | TimRiker | "are you still listening?" |
| 19:12.11 | JefferyM | "Oops we did it again" |
| 19:12.14 | Dontkillme | BZFlag 2.0.14 "New year, new release"? :-s |
| 19:12.24 | TimRiker | hehe. "year of the tiger" |
| 19:12.32 | JefferyM | "eye of the tiger" |
| 19:12.38 | spldart | "meh" |
| 19:12.54 | JefferyM | "nothing to see here" |
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| 19:13.02 | TimRiker | oh. I like that one |
| 19:13.16 | JefferyM | "This isn't the release you are looking for" |
| 19:13.17 | TimRiker | "this is not the release you are looking for" |
| 19:13.20 | JefferyM | hah |
| 19:13.22 | TimRiker | LOL |
| 19:13.37 | JefferyM | I think we have a name |
| 19:13.42 | TimRiker | :) |
| 19:13.51 | JefferyM | I'll tag and build tonight then |
| 19:13.59 | TimRiker | sounds good to me |
| 19:15.15 | spldart | I like 'is not' better than 'isn't' It seems like a more formal way of saying 'not 3.0' |
| 19:15.54 | JefferyM | I'll have to check the line in the movie but you are probably right |
| 19:16.04 | JefferyM | add one api fuction to get a player's token |
| 19:16.38 | JefferyM | and I'll see if Constitution is willing to do the mac build |
| 19:17.47 | TimRiker | I think the movie is "These aren't the droids you're looking for." |
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| 19:18.22 | TimRiker | you don't need to see his identification |
| 19:18.25 | JefferyM | "It's not for sale if you want it" |
| 19:19.27 | TimRiker | "You can go about your business" might be more obscure. :) |
| 19:19.30 | JefferyM | most server owners are using .13 now, and debian players have been using 13 as well so I feel it is stable |
| 19:20.26 | JefferyM | and I'll update the project to VC9 |
| 19:21.11 | JefferyM | oh, that'll mean an installer change |
| 19:21.13 | JefferyM | hmmmmm |
| 19:21.41 | JefferyM | blast007, you awake? |
| 19:22.09 | TimRiker | should we do another test round with a current .13 updated to vc9, x86 mac build etc, first? |
| 19:22.25 | JefferyM | they've all been built and tested before |
| 19:22.44 | Constitution | 2.0.13 only builds on leopard, but maybe we're ok with that |
| 19:23.37 | Constitution | tiger is still fairly widely used, though |
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| 19:24.21 | Constitution | it gives some weird linker error on earlier versions |
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| 19:24.29 | mrapplecomputer1 | JefferyM: Im working on a totally new version of that bzwebadmin thing i did before, but called bzweb. Its alot more secure and doesnt use exec() :D |
| 19:24.35 | mrapplecomputer1 | is it ok if i post it on the forums? |
| 19:25.55 | Constitution | I'll certainly do the mac build, though |
| 19:26.09 | JefferyM | mrapplecomputer1, is it open source? |
| 19:26.19 | mrapplecomputer1 | eh, no |
| 19:26.19 | JefferyM | Constitution, cool |
| 19:26.24 | JefferyM | mrapplecomputer1, then there is your answer |
| 19:26.36 | JefferyM | our project services are arround to support open source. |
| 19:26.40 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok. what if I go open source, that will my answer change? |
| 19:26.49 | JefferyM | possibly |
| 19:26.51 | mrapplecomputer1 | then* |
| 19:26.51 | mrapplecomputer1 | ] |
| 19:26.55 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok sounds good |
| 19:27.04 | mrapplecomputer1 | im going to go look at some licenseses.. |
| 19:27.06 | JefferyM | I'd recomend throwing it into a googlecode project |
| 19:27.10 | JefferyM | then its' very accessable |
| 19:27.44 | JefferyM | bassicly the idea is, if you mention it on bzbb, it should be something that other people can use/change/colaborate on |
| 19:27.55 | mrapplecomputer1 | OK got it. |
| 19:28.18 | mrapplecomputer1 | Constitution's isnt open source though... |
| 19:28.19 | JefferyM | also if it's not done, then it should go in the development section |
| 19:28.24 | mrapplecomputer1 | ah ok |
| 19:28.44 | JefferyM | he runs a service that lets people start servers |
| 19:28.55 | JefferyM | he is not promopting it as a tool that people can use, you were. |
| 19:29.06 | JefferyM | his also works ;) |
| 19:30.36 | JefferyM | Constitution, it's fine if the mac build is 10.4 or later |
| 19:30.43 | JefferyM | those on 10.3 can use 2.0.10 |
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| 20:09.24 | blast007 | JefferyM: yeah |
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| 20:29.44 | JefferyM | blast007, how hard do you think it would be to backport the trunk installer into branch? |
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| 20:37.09 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20759 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/win32/ (Makefile.am VC8/ VC9/): Update VC8 project to VC9 |
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| 20:46.36 | blast007 | JefferyM: should be trivial |
| 20:46.44 | JefferyM | yeah looks like it |
| 20:46.47 | blast007 | hasn't really changed much |
| 20:46.53 | JefferyM | just some data dir changes |
| 20:46.54 | blast007 | biggest change was the data directory stuff |
| 20:47.05 | JefferyM | and the VC redist |
| 20:47.08 | JefferyM | that's the big kicker |
| 20:47.16 | JefferyM | if I do 14 with VC9 |
| 20:48.53 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20760 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/package/win32/nsis/ (9 files): backport installer from trunk so that the VC9 redist gets installed. |
| 20:49.21 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20761 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/package/win32/nsis/Makefile.am: add notes to makefile so it gets picked up in yon tarbal |
| 20:50.51 | blast007 | JefferyM: and I sent SkindupTruk a PM earlier re: "his" maps. waiting for a response. |
| 20:50.57 | JefferyM | ok |
| 20:50.59 | JefferyM | so did I |
| 20:51.02 | blast007 | k |
| 20:51.02 | JefferyM | we'll see what ye says |
| 20:53.37 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20762 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/plugins/ (23 files in 20 dirs): update plug-in projects to VC9 |
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| 20:57.32 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20766 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/tools/modeltool/vc9/modeltool.sln: use regex from VC9 not 71 |
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| 21:08.04 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20768 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/win32/VC9/ (21 files): update actual projects to VC9 |
| 21:09.17 | blast007 | JefferyM: think I should bother fixing the installer for Windows Vista/7? |
| 21:09.30 | JefferyM | the old installer had the same problem right? |
| 21:09.52 | blast007 | think the problem is just that the uninstaller doesn't remove some of the shortcuts |
| 21:10.00 | blast007 | think it was the start menu folder that stays |
| 21:10.19 | blast007 | cuz Vista/7 move them after the install (from either the user to all users, or the other way around) |
| 21:10.35 | JefferyM | if you feel like it sure, but if the old installer had the same problem then people have been dealing with it so it's not a big deal |
| 21:10.50 | JefferyM | I mostly just want to be able to do a VC9 build |
| 21:10.51 | blast007 | it's minor |
| 21:13.26 | bryjen | did the issue from a few days back about hostname bans being case sensitive get fixed in 2.0 ? |
| 21:13.48 | JefferyM | if not slap it in |
| 21:13.54 | JefferyM | seems minor enough |
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| 21:16.32 | joevano | JefferyM, blast007 : I also sent him one about image sbmitter instead of honking big texture zip downloads |
| 21:16.42 | JefferyM | heh |
| 21:16.49 | JefferyM | he's gonna have a full mailbox then |
| 21:16.55 | joevano | :) |
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| 21:19.33 | JefferyM | hmm something seems to have busted in the curses build of bzadmin |
| 21:19.52 | JefferyM | or I have the wrong curses again |
| 21:20.05 | bryjen | hrm |
| 21:20.40 | blast007 | JefferyM: PDCurses 2.8? |
| 21:20.52 | JefferyM | I was just using what I had on my drive |
| 21:20.56 | JefferyM | you got one that works? |
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| 21:21.15 | JefferyM | http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/pdcurses.htm says 2.6 is latest |
| 21:21.19 | blast007 | ah, guess they're up to 3.4 now |
| 21:21.25 | blast007 | http://pdcurses.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:21.35 | JefferyM | I just want one that builds :) |
| 21:21.47 | blast007 | I usually use the one I linked to, afaik ;) |
| 21:21.52 | JefferyM | ok |
| 21:21.55 | JefferyM | I'll try it |
| 21:21.59 | JefferyM | everything else is building now |
| 21:22.35 | blast007 | yay, I can get rid of my VM with VC7.1 in it now ;) |
| 21:24.05 | JefferyM | the problem seems to be use_default_colors |
| 21:24.16 | JefferyM | that dosn't exist in that curses |
| 21:25.20 | JefferyM | looks like someone tried to define it for solaris too |
| 21:26.01 | JefferyM | oh I don't think it does anything for windows |
| 21:26.12 | JefferyM | since you can't make a terminal have anything other then the default colors |
| 21:26.15 | JefferyM | stubs |
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| 21:38.50 | bryjen | needs someone to ban to test this on |
| 21:39.01 | blast007 | me! me! |
| 21:39.18 | blast007 | where should I join? ;) |
| 21:39.41 | bryjen | bryjen.bzflag.net:5156 |
| 21:39.54 | bryjen | oop, 5154 |
| 21:40.41 | JefferyM | k, it's all buildable with VC9 now |
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| 21:42.13 | JefferyM | oh crud, I missed glew |
| 21:45.30 | JefferyM | bets he just cheated in trunk and included the glew files in the client |
| 21:46.43 | JefferyM | ahh I didn't good |
| 21:47.46 | bryjen | well, that didn't work :( |
| 21:48.05 | bryjen | oh carp. it'd help if I'd run the right binary :P |
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| 21:48.15 | blast007 | hah! |
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| 21:49.12 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20770 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/configure.ac: * s/VC8/VC9/ |
| 21:50.21 | bryjen | blast007, try now |
| 21:50.22 | JefferyM | ahh thanks |
| 21:50.26 | JefferyM | I always miss one |
| 21:50.44 | trepan | no prob, also need plugins/plugin_utils/VC9/Makefile in configure.ac ? |
| 21:50.49 | blast007 | I am banned by General Ban. I don't know who he is, but I dislike him now! |
| 21:50.54 | JefferyM | probalby |
| 21:50.54 | blast007 | ;) |
| 21:51.07 | blast007 | bryjen: so yeah, worked that time |
| 21:52.44 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20771 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/win32/VC9/bzflag.vcproj: add glew to the pdcurses build since that is the new "distrobution" |
| 21:52.57 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r20772 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/README.WIN32: VC9 |
| 21:55.00 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * r20773 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (AccessControlList.cxx AccessControlList.h): Make hostbans case-insensitive and use existing glob matching |
| 21:55.02 | blast007 | JefferyM: does Visual C++ express still need the PSDK? |
| 21:55.15 | JefferyM | VC9 shipps with it |
| 21:55.20 | JefferyM | 8 does not |
| 21:55.30 | blast007 | k |
| 21:56.01 | blast007 | is 7.1 still supported? |
| 21:56.08 | JefferyM | I didn't remove it |
| 21:56.13 | blast007 | ok |
| 21:56.18 | JefferyM | tho plugins won't build |
| 21:56.28 | JefferyM | the code is fine for 7.1 |
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| 21:57.00 | JefferyM | figgured just in case where were still some 7.1 holdouts that had it just to build branch, may as well not kill it |
| 22:05.07 | bryjen | blast007: once more, please. |
| 22:06.03 | joevano | bryjen: watch out blast007 is a horrible cheat ;-) |
| 22:06.51 | bryjen | yes, he modifies the source code all the time ;) |
| 22:11.55 | blast007 | bryjen: worked "ban testing" |
| 22:12.32 | bryjen | mixed case, two stars, and a question mark |
| 22:12.35 | bryjen | cool |
| 22:14.06 | blast007 | hehe |
| 22:16.26 | bryjen | does not want to be the reason for 2.0.16 |
| 22:16.43 | blast007 | or a 2.0.15 in debian ;) |
| 22:20.57 | brlcad | nice bryjen! |
| 22:21.10 | brlcad | (glob refactor) |
| 22:22.27 | JefferyM | brlcad, we are makin a 2.0.14 |
| 22:27.55 | bryjen | needs in trunk too |
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| 22:28.42 | brlcad | JefferyM: I noticed.. |
| 22:29.32 | brlcad | I can work on an updated mac dmg |
| 22:30.49 | JefferyM | k |
| 22:30.55 | Constitution | brlcad: I believe there is a linker issue with mac builds for anything older than snow leopard... I'm going to give it another run and see if I can reproduce it |
| 22:30.57 | JefferyM | figure 10.4++ is fine |
| 22:31.08 | JefferyM | as those on 10.3 can just use .10 |
| 22:31.59 | brlcad | Constitution: okay |
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| 22:39.27 | JefferyM | so what do you all think we need to work the kinks out for a .14? by the end of the week? |
| 22:41.31 | JefferyM | since it sounds like you have a little bit of macness to work out |
| 22:41.54 | Constitution | should work |
| 22:41.58 | JefferyM | k |
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| 22:49.53 | *** topic/#bzflag by blast007 -> http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || Channel Logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || http://ohloh.net/p/bzflag || 2.0.14 "This isn't the release you are looking for" TBR 2/15/10 |
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| 22:50.10 | JefferyM | thanks |
| 22:50.17 | blast007 | :) |
| 22:50.29 | JefferyM | relies on a little help from his friends. |
| 22:51.03 | Marzipan | it's finally there ? |
| 22:51.06 | Marzipan | ;) |
| 22:51.12 | JefferyM | it? |
| 22:51.30 | Marzipan | cmon you know what i mean lol |
| 22:51.41 | blast007 | Marzipan: this isn't the release you're looking for |
| 22:51.43 | Marzipan | just the name is a bit of strange :) |
| 22:51.45 | Marzipan | ;) |
| 22:51.48 | Marzipan | okay :( |
| 22:51.50 | JefferyM | this isn't 3.0 |
| 22:51.58 | JefferyM | it's a maint. update of 2.0.12 |
| 22:52.02 | Marzipan | what's the difference ? |
| 22:52.05 | JefferyM | because we had to change some stuff for debian |
| 22:52.10 | JefferyM | it's 2.0.12 with new fonts |
| 22:52.17 | JefferyM | and a few bug fixes |
| 22:52.26 | blast007 | and ban globbing stuff |
| 22:52.28 | JefferyM | 3.0 is very different |
| 22:52.38 | Marzipan | but hopefully the same gameplay ;) |
| 22:52.40 | brlcad | that's DD/YY/MM right? or is it MM/YY/DD? :) |
| 22:52.42 | blast007 | and a few minor backported features from 3.0 |
| 22:52.45 | JefferyM | the exact gameplay |
| 22:52.57 | blast007 | Marzipan: you mean 3.0.0 or 2.0.14? |
| 22:53.08 | *** topic/#bzflag by JefferyM -> http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || Channel Logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || http://ohloh.net/p/bzflag || 2.0.14 "This isn't the release you are looking for" TBR 02/15/2010 |
| 22:53.35 | Marzipan | 3.0 |
| 22:53.38 | JefferyM | it is compatable with existing servers and clients |
| 22:53.45 | blast007 | 3.0.0 might have slightly different gameplay - 2.0.14 will be the same |
| 22:53.51 | JefferyM | 3.0 will change some elements, and is not compatable |
| 22:54.03 | Marzipan | because of the flags or other things too |
| 22:54.09 | blast007 | other things too |
| 22:54.09 | JefferyM | not really |
| 22:54.18 | JefferyM | only a couple flags were added to 3.0 |
| 22:54.29 | JefferyM | most of the changes are core changes to the logic and behavor |
| 22:54.35 | JefferyM | like how -a is always in effect |
| 22:54.45 | JefferyM | and the hit volume is not a sphere |
| 22:55.24 | Marzipan | okay, but the movement is the same ? |
| 22:55.32 | JefferyM | what do you mean |
| 22:55.39 | blast007 | no. tanks have feet in 3.0.0 |
| 22:55.41 | blast007 | so they can jump |
| 22:55.47 | Marzipan | like the tanks react the same way as they used to :) |
| 22:55.51 | Marzipan | ^^ |
| 22:55.59 | blast007 | and no, not exactly |
| 22:56.01 | JefferyM | they will react a little different in 3.0 |
| 22:56.10 | blast007 | 3.0.0 will have some inertia by default |
| 22:56.47 | Marzipan | i guess i should build it. |
| 22:57.06 | JefferyM | 3.0 is not being released right now tho |
| 22:57.14 | JefferyM | this is just some fixes for 2.0.x |
| 22:57.15 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r20775 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Updated make files for recent windows-related changes. |
| 22:57.15 | Marzipan | the source i mean |
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| 23:16.45 | Gabe_G23 | inertia by default? :o |
| 23:16.57 | JefferyM | yep |
| 23:17.07 | JefferyM | acceleration is now a variable |
| 23:17.09 | JefferyM | not an option |
| 23:17.38 | JefferyM | so the code tha computes acceleration is always used |
| 23:17.54 | JefferyM | the server can just change the values it uses |
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| 23:20.18 | JefferyM | the actions that got moved to the server feel a little different as well |
| 23:20.27 | JefferyM | like flag grab |
| 23:32.21 | Constitution | hmmm tiger http://bzflag.pastebin.com/m1d1e3bb |
| 23:32.31 | Constitution | never seen that before |
| 23:33.03 | Constitution | looks like c-ares hasn't been changed in over a year |
| 23:37.56 | Constitution | brlcad: any ideas on that error? |
| 23:38.03 | brlcad | looking |
| 23:39.43 | brlcad | huh |
| 23:40.04 | brlcad | do you have object files in your libs dir? |
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| 23:40.29 | Constitution | yeah they appear to all be there |
| 23:41.22 | Constitution | http://bzflag.pastebin.com/d5a2f4b1b |
| 23:45.36 | brlcad | hm, then that points at the libtool script |
| 23:46.01 | brlcad | if you run line 482 in your paste manually |
| 23:46.11 | brlcad | remove all of the compilation options, see what it does |
| 23:46.41 | brlcad | i.e., remove "-g -O2 -pipe -pedantic -fno-exceptions -W -Wall -Wundef -Wno-import -O3 -ffast-math -fomit-frame-pointer -fexpensive-optimizations -fno-exceptions -framework SDL -Wl,-search_paths_first -mdynamic-no-pic" |
| 23:47.01 | brlcad | but include the basic |
| 23:47.33 | brlcad | /bin/sh ../../libtool --mode=link gcc -o libcares.la -static ares_cancel.lo .... ares_version.lo windows_port.lo -lm -framework Carbon -framework Cocoa -framework OpenGL |
| 23:47.38 | brlcad | that |
| 23:47.59 | Constitution | exact same output |
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| 23:48.54 | brlcad | cat ares_cancel.lo |
| 23:49.01 | brlcad | does it look empty or valid |
| 23:49.37 | Constitution | looks good to me... http://bzflag.pastebin.com/d397f3e62 |
| 23:50.22 | Constitution | hmm, would passing --disable-static to ./configure cause this? I'll try without |
| 23:50.35 | brlcad | hm, good point |
| 23:50.38 | brlcad | but shouldn't |
| 23:52.12 | Constitution | yeah I think that fixed it |
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| 23:53.48 | Constitution | first time I've seen that issue though |
| 23:55.46 | JefferyM | hmmm, I'll have to fix the logo image too |
| 23:56.01 | JefferyM | unless I can locate a saturos |
| 23:56.34 | Constitution | saturoses are in such high demand and short supply these days |
| 23:56.46 | JefferyM | indeed |
| 23:56.58 | JefferyM | specialy now that they seem to have that "life" thing |