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| 03:46.32 | JeffM | adds "better ATI driver support" |
| 03:46.47 | JeffM | there we go.. all done |
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| 05:41.00 | brlcad | Quol_at_work_awa: I can update quol.bzflag.bz if you need it changed, Tim does the others |
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| 06:10.34 | SkindupTruk | hello hello |
| 06:14.38 | Quol | brlcad, thanks for the offer...but that's the only one that is current/works...but thx :) |
| 06:15.05 | blast007 | SkindupTruk: hi |
| 06:16.02 | SkindupTruk | hi blast |
| 06:17.50 | SkindupTruk | i was after some help re v2.99 |
| 06:23.05 | blast007 | what kind of help? |
| 06:27.48 | SkindupTruk | it's working, was keen to hide the "new" player name markers |
| 06:27.54 | SkindupTruk | i'm reading http://fisheye1.atlassian.com/changelog/bzflag/?cs=MAIN%3Ajeffm2501%3A20070320033415 |
| 06:28.03 | SkindupTruk | might be what i'm after |
| 06:29.06 | trepan | could try: /set _forbidMarkers 1 (on the server) |
| 06:29.06 | SkindupTruk | but there might be an easy way to disable them via the bzfs options or vars??? not sure |
| 06:29.19 | SkindupTruk | ahhhh |
| 06:29.37 | SkindupTruk | so there is a var... could not find var doc for v2.99 |
| 06:30.03 | trepan | src/game/global.cxx ;) |
| 06:32.22 | SkindupTruk | hmmm i knew there would be an easy way, thx! |
| 06:32.55 | SkindupTruk | i dusted off the "simplestats" plugin from the forums, got it working under 2.99 |
| 06:34.11 | brlcad | Quol: k, just checking :) |
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| 07:04.17 | SkindupTruk | forbidmarkers worked thx |
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| 17:58.27 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03Yrogirg 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6885 10/w/User:Yrogirg/Test: New page: Getting the most from your client can give considereable advantages over other players. ==Tune the graphics== First of all, disable rain and fog, so you will be able to see further. This ... |
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| 18:21.23 | bryjen | hrm... the server can't force fog to on at the client? |
| 18:21.35 | spldart | don't think so |
| 18:22.01 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03Yrogirg 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6887 10/w/User:Yrogirg/Test: |
| 18:22.17 | BulletCatcher | No, it can't. |
| 18:22.43 | trepan | not in 2.0.x, think that might be changed for 2.99.x |
| 18:26.36 | bryjen | if it's a slight fog, maybe that's no big deal... louman's mystic valley world uses fog and no radar (which the server can force) as part of the gameplay. shutting of fog at the client there wouldn't be right |
| 18:27.25 | trepan | bryjen: known issue |
| 18:27.37 | trepan | fog is also slow for S/W folks, another known issue |
| 18:27.46 | trepan | the balance tipped ;) |
| 18:30.15 | JeffM | screw the software people |
| 18:30.49 | blast007 | JeffM: could just remove the "Off" option for fog then ;) |
| 18:30.51 | JeffM | didn't you change 2.99 to enforce fog? |
| 18:31.02 | JeffM | I thought that had been done |
| 18:31.05 | blast007 | maybe |
| 18:31.17 | JeffM | it should be done if it isn't |
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| 18:32.02 | blast007 | guess it is gone |
| 18:32.06 | JeffM | good |
| 18:32.54 | trepan | another bit of client-side state that can be cheated... |
| 18:33.31 | JeffM | if they mod the client, but the usefulness of it is minor I think, mostly to keep honest people honest |
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| 18:36.34 | cl | hi |
| 18:36.43 | JeffM | hello |
| 18:36.59 | cl | when i go onto bz theres loads of lines on the screen |
| 18:37.18 | cl | like it jitters |
| 18:37.29 | JeffM | like it is not drawing properly? |
| 18:37.33 | cl | yeah |
| 18:37.40 | JeffM | what OS and video card do you have? |
| 18:37.59 | cl | windows7 ultimate 64bit |
| 18:38.04 | cl | hang on for card please:) |
| 18:38.38 | cl | hmm i cant find it |
| 18:38.51 | cl | where would that be? |
| 18:39.02 | blast007 | device manager |
| 18:39.08 | JeffM | did you install video drivers for it from the company that made it? or are you just using what windows 7 installed for you? |
| 18:39.16 | cl | ok |
| 18:39.33 | cl | got drivers from nvidia.com using their automatic thing |
| 18:39.39 | JeffM | how long ago? |
| 18:39.53 | cl | geforce 8400m gt/pci/sse2 |
| 18:40.08 | cl | got drivers a few weeks ago |
| 18:40.13 | JeffM | oh it's a laptop? |
| 18:40.15 | cl | yes |
| 18:40.19 | cl | sony laptop |
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| 18:41.13 | JeffM | odd |
| 18:41.17 | JeffM | dunno what to tell ya then |
| 18:41.30 | cl | it does it for another game too if that helps |
| 18:41.34 | cl | wolfenstein |
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| 18:41.43 | cl | but other gamse like cod work fine |
| 18:41.46 | JeffM | well that tells us that it is defentatly the hardware or the driver :) |
| 18:41.57 | JeffM | not the software |
| 18:41.59 | blast007 | get the newest driver, or try the driver from sony |
| 18:42.13 | JeffM | the last rriver from nvidia was 12/4/2009 |
| 18:42.21 | blast007 | heh |
| 18:42.23 | JeffM | 195.62 |
| 18:42.25 | blast007 | nvm then ;) |
| 18:42.25 | cl | sony didnt have any 64 bit drivers |
| 18:42.32 | blast007 | fun |
| 18:42.47 | JeffM | perhaps it dosn't fully support 64 bit OSs |
| 18:43.23 | cl | should i just get 32bit win7 then? |
| 18:43.32 | JeffM | that's not our place to say |
| 18:43.38 | cl | ok :) |
| 18:43.43 | blast007 | could try an older driver too ;) |
| 18:43.53 | JeffM | yeah you are going to have to poke around wit it |
| 18:44.02 | JeffM | I know we run fine on 64 bit windows 7 |
| 18:44.08 | JeffM | on both ATI and nvidia |
| 18:44.21 | cl | ok |
| 18:44.33 | blast007 | for my 7600GT Go, I usually got them from laptopvideo2go.com (which were actually just the normal desktop drivers with tweaked INI files..) |
| 18:44.48 | blast007 | but I can't guarantee that won't blow your system up and eat your pets |
| 18:44.51 | cl | i will try that |
| 18:44.52 | JeffM | it does look like nvidia is starting to ship some laptop drivers, so that's good |
| 18:44.57 | cl | lol |
| 18:45.23 | JeffM | blast007: they have a 179 version for the 7k series on nivida's site now |
| 18:45.27 | cl | thx for help guys i will look around more |
| 18:45.33 | blast007 | oh do they now? |
| 18:45.41 | blast007 | for the mobile ones? |
| 18:45.41 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:45.53 | blast007 | nice |
| 18:46.01 | JeffM | "This is a reference driver that can be installed on supported NVIDIA GeForce notebook GPUs." |
| 18:46.08 | blast007 | I think before it was it was series 8 and up |
| 18:46.15 | JeffM | if only ATI would do that |
| 18:46.24 | JeffM | then I could take the lapy to vista or 7 |
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| 19:57.40 | JeffM | we really should make that the only mode we use |
| 19:58.01 | delusional | even on windows? |
| 19:58.07 | JeffM | hell yeabh |
| 19:58.14 | delusional | i thought that was mac and linux only. |
| 19:58.14 | JeffM | that's what all cards do these days |
| 19:58.19 | delusional | hmm |
| 19:58.20 | JeffM | ummm no |
| 19:58.32 | JeffM | that's just normal bilinear filtering |
| 19:58.42 | delusional | Mac laptops get a huge FPS boost. |
| 19:58.42 | JeffM | heck TnTs could do that |
| 19:58.53 | JeffM | yeah most modern cards are optimised for it |
| 19:59.04 | JeffM | since it is what nearly everything uses |
| 19:59.29 | blast007 | a lot of our "lower" settings run slower on newer hardware |
| 19:59.36 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r0 10/w/Special:Log/move: [[Tricks with no skills]] moved to [[Optimizations]]: Poorly named page |
| 19:59.38 | JeffM | yeah |
| 19:59.46 | blast007 | people are used to lowering settings to get stuff to run faster |
| 19:59.57 | trepan | there are occasions when NEAREST mapping is useful, but not something the user should need to worry about |
| 20:00.01 | blast007 | so I usually suggest that people turn everyone on and see if it runs better ;) |
| 20:00.08 | JeffM | trepan: intels or software? |
| 20:00.22 | trepan | functional difference |
| 20:00.25 | JeffM | true |
| 20:00.34 | trepan | ex: src/bzflag/DebugDrawing.cxx:294 |
| 20:00.35 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03Optic Delusion 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6901 10/w/User:Yrogirg/Test: /* Tune the graphics */ most graphics cards, not jus mac and linux |
| 20:00.53 | JeffM | delusional: he made the article live |
| 20:00.58 | JeffM | it needs LOTS of work |
| 20:01.01 | trepan | i intentionally avoided linear filtering to get the clean edges |
| 20:01.08 | JeffM | blast007: can you give me delete perms on the wiki? |
| 20:01.23 | blast007 | probably |
| 20:01.31 | JeffM | trepan: yeah if you want hard edges then yeah nearest, but you ar right, that's a programer choice, not an end user |
| 20:04.16 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03Blast 07http://my.bzflag.org * r0 10/w/Special:Log/rights: changed group membership for User:JeffM2501 from (none) to sysop, bureaucrat: By the power of Greyskull... |
| 20:04.25 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03Yrogirg 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6902 10/w/User:Yrogirg/Test: |
| 20:04.32 | JeffM | I HAVE THE POWER!!!! |
| 20:04.35 | blast007 | ;) |
| 20:10.56 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6903 10/w/Optimizations: Start article rewrite to fit in wiki standards |
| 20:11.10 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r0 10/w/Special:Log/delete: deleted "[[Tricks with no skills]]": page was poorly named |
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| 20:13.51 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03Optic Delusion 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6904 10/w/Optimizations: /* Graphics Optimizations */ SP: soothing smoothing |
| 20:14.52 | delusional | hope that i didnt make your next edit hard to apply, jeff. |
| 20:14.58 | JeffM | I worked around it |
| 20:15.00 | JeffM | :) |
| 20:15.08 | JeffM | redoing the radar part now |
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| 20:27.34 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6906 10/w/Optimizations: In-Game Information: rewrite to conform to wiki standards |
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| 20:33.02 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6910 10/w/Optimizations: /* Time of Day */ make a sub of Graphics |
| 20:33.44 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6911 10/w/Optimizations: /* Radar Optimizations */ subsections |
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| 20:35.23 | trepan | caveat to "Time of Day": _syncTime / _syncLocation |
| 20:36.32 | JeffM | that fully overide it? |
| 20:36.41 | trepan | it should |
| 20:37.42 | CIA-87 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6913 10/w/Optimizations: Time of Day: Mention server overide. |
| 20:38.59 | trepan | tbh, i've always thought that the default should be to sync to the server's time and location |
| 20:39.09 | trepan | that way, everyone sees the same thing (by default) |
| 20:40.30 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:40.44 | JeffM | make is so in three dot oh! |
| 20:41.19 | JeffM | or 2.0.14 |
| 20:42.26 | trepan | heh, the 2.0 line gets a continuance? |
| 20:42.35 | JeffM | it already did |
| 20:42.49 | JeffM | we should have done a .14 when tim pushed the fixes for the fonts up |
| 20:42.59 | JeffM | now 2.0.13 is in friggin debian stable |
| 20:43.15 | JeffM | so a .14 would just give it a real number |
| 20:43.55 | JeffM | and it'd only be tarbal and deb |
| 20:44.05 | JeffM | no win/tosh |
| 20:45.33 | temporalD | there are all of these patches that Constitution included in this unofficial http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=15964 |
| 20:46.21 | JeffM | yeah throwing those in and doing a tosh would not be horrid |
| 20:46.36 | JeffM | it's been a while since we had a tosh build |
| 20:46.44 | JeffM | it'd be good to get a more modern intel only one as well |
| 20:46.54 | JeffM | since you know even apple has desuported PPC :) |
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| 21:29.51 | JeffM | DTRemenak: the only vhosts left on mirkwood are yours :) |
| 21:30.02 | JeffM | blast007, Constitution: did you guys do anymore with the vps? |
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| 21:46.27 | blast007 | JeffM: nope - might poke at it some more tonight or tomorrow |
| 21:48.41 | JeffM | k |
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