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| 00:23.30 | delusional | jeffm, your welcome.... i think the best way to improve it would be to have shades of grey, like the original image. But your idea of removing the moon behind the tank has merit. |
| 00:24.36 | delusional | I still have 31 stickers left, if anybody wants one, just give me your address, and i'll send you one. |
| 00:24.54 | delusional | What file do i look in, if I want to see the bzw-to-obj code? |
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| 00:45.17 | JeffM | delusional: perhaps, the cuts could be made simpler as well |
| 00:45.30 | JeffM | also finding out what formats his software directly reads would help |
| 00:45.38 | JeffM | as we could convert it to be optimal |
| 00:45.50 | JeffM | there appear to be some conversion issues in it now |
| 00:45.55 | JeffM | but the size and shape is good |
| 00:55.05 | delusional | the files he sent me have the .eps extension, that's a post script format, correct? |
| 00:55.32 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:55.45 | JeffM | tho I wonder if he autotraced a raster version of the SVG |
| 00:56.00 | JeffM | I could convert the SVG directly to eps if needed |
| 00:57.02 | temporalD | some vinyl cutting controllers have problems with newer versions of EPS files - adobe keeps changing stuff |
| 00:57.23 | JeffM | that's why I'd like to know what it uses directly |
| 00:57.39 | JeffM | I mean if it takes a gcode program, I can get a gcode program :) |
| 00:57.54 | JeffM | just might have one handy |
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| 06:44.37 | Constitution | looks like YOUR DEAD (previously master banned person) is back under a new username after several years away... anyone have an issue removing the master ban entry if he promises to behave? |
| 06:46.27 | Constitution | very old IP anyway |
| 06:50.30 | brlcad | sure |
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| 19:11.07 | thefirstdude | thumper: ping |
| 19:18.35 | joevano | thefirstdude: what,s up? |
| 19:18.54 | joevano | can I help you |
| 19:19.31 | thefirstdude | remember last time I forgot my password...happened again ;) |
| 19:19.43 | thefirstdude | only this time I found it in gmail...thanks |
| 19:28.08 | Thumper_ | thefirstdude: pong - can't help you with forum pwds though |
| 19:29.42 | thefirstdude | Thumper_, I found the email I sent requesting a password reset, so I know the pass now...thanks |
| 19:29.49 | thefirstdude | got a new map coming |
| 19:29.55 | thefirstdude | http://uploadpic.org/showpic-42075/bzfi0004.png |
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| 20:19.29 | thefirstdude | if I make a zone with the same position and size as a box, they will be the same? |
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| 20:23.43 | MacGyverXI | ppl. hey. |
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| 20:24.44 | thefirstdude | what flag to allow flags on flat meshes? |
| 20:24.54 | MacGyverXI | ? |
| 20:25.11 | me1 | -fb allows flags on boxes |
| 20:25.34 | me1 | that should allow it on any surface parallel to the ground aswell |
| 20:27.00 | thefirstdude | do I need a special flag for spawning on meshes too? |
| 20:31.38 | JeffM | no |
| 20:31.51 | JeffM | the "B" in fb means spawn on buildings |
| 20:32.05 | JeffM | it should do anything with a flat top |
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| 20:46.29 | thefirstdude | are there any exceptions, because it is working for one part of my map, but not for s ingle falt mesh facing up |
| 20:46.51 | thefirstdude | I know it is flat, and that it is covered by the zone...y is it not working |
| 20:49.07 | JeffM | oh there are lots of bugs dealing with how meshes interact with primitives in 2.0.x |
| 20:49.26 | JeffM | so that does not surprise me |
| 20:49.44 | thefirstdude | http://pastebin.com/mcd26926 |
| 20:49.45 | JeffM | this is why I asked you if you were aware of all the special oddities that go allong with full mesh maps. |
| 20:49.56 | JeffM | and you indicated that you totaly had it undercontroll |
| 20:50.20 | thefirstdude | I said I have made many maps, this is the first time I ran into zoneflags not working |
| 20:50.41 | JeffM | are the meshes totaly flat? |
| 20:50.53 | thefirstdude | yes, I can drive on them fine |
| 20:51.19 | thefirstdude | which, in bzflag, means they are flat |
| 20:56.12 | thefirstdude | is it a problem if the zone goes off the mesh? |
| 21:00.49 | thefirstdude | I expoted just the one mesh that the flags go on and it worked |
| 21:03.30 | thefirstdude | could it have something to do with noradar? |
| 21:07.08 | JeffM | probably not |
| 21:07.26 | JeffM | is your map one big mesh? or many small meshes |
| 21:08.54 | thefirstdude | afew meshes |
| 21:09.18 | thefirstdude | I already tried making the mesh the zone is on a mesh by itself |
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| 21:14.10 | thefirstdude | now I took out the flat mesh in the tunnel, and put a box there, still won't go on the box |
| 21:14.24 | JeffM | you'll have to poke around and putter it out, that's one of the challenges of mesh map making. |
| 21:14.42 | thefirstdude | dude, I ahve tried every option here |
| 21:14.43 | JeffM | 2.0.x was it's first implementation |
| 21:14.52 | JeffM | some stuff just may not work |
| 21:15.03 | thefirstdude | I think it is the upside down meshes above the box |
| 21:15.04 | JeffM | the spawn code has lots of holes in 2.0.x |
| 21:15.10 | JeffM | try it in 2.99.x |
| 21:15.19 | thefirstdude | good idea |
| 21:19.12 | thefirstdude | I am about to attempt spawn zones...here we go |
| 21:24.46 | thefirstdude | dude, I am spawning on the ground..why not on the spawn spot |
| 21:26.55 | JeffM | throw a breakpoint in the spawn handler and see |
| 21:27.24 | thefirstdude | good idea...I am not a c programmer man |
| 21:27.43 | JeffM | so? |
| 21:27.55 | JeffM | do or do not there is no try |
| 21:39.27 | JeffM | are there objects above the zone? |
| 21:39.30 | JeffM | like stacked up? |
| 21:40.53 | thefirstdude | yes |
| 21:42.17 | JeffM | spawn code is mostly 2 ish |
| 21:42.21 | JeffM | so that's probably the issue |
| 21:42.30 | thefirstdude | 2 ish? |
| 21:42.34 | JeffM | 2dish |
| 21:42.49 | JeffM | it plots it in XY then drops the flag down untill it hits the first thing |
| 21:43.01 | JeffM | then checks to see if that's in the zone Z (IIRC) |
| 21:43.13 | JeffM | imagine the flags falling from the sky |
| 21:43.17 | JeffM | then sticking in the ground |
| 21:43.25 | JeffM | same for tanks |
| 21:46.10 | thefirstdude | this 9 liner isn't even working? http://pastebin.com/m746f083b |
| 21:46.18 | thefirstdude | is there a bzfs flag I need to set? |
| 21:46.26 | JeffM | fb |
| 21:46.35 | thefirstdude | I spawn on the ground instead of on the box, I have -fb set |
| 21:46.48 | blast007 | -fb is for flags |
| 21:46.54 | blast007 | -sb is for tank |
| 21:46.55 | JeffM | that's right |
| 21:46.58 | JeffM | there yag o |
| 21:47.07 | blast007 | or something like that |
| 21:48.16 | thefirstdude | now my little 9 line test works |
| 21:50.03 | blast007 | still not sure you understand zones though |
| 21:50.27 | JeffM | dude, he's make tons of maps ;) |
| 21:50.37 | blast007 | in that example, you want to always spawn them on the box? |
| 21:51.54 | thefirstdude | blast007, yes |
| 21:52.14 | thefirstdude | you think maybe I want them sometimes on box and somtimes not? |
| 21:52.21 | blast007 | then why do you start the spawn zone BELOW the object? |
| 21:52.57 | thefirstdude | because I was just trying every darn thing to get it to work, cause I didn't have -sb |
| 21:53.01 | blast007 | in that instance it works fine because there isn't another box below it |
| 21:53.07 | thefirstdude | and it was like 5 years ago last time I made a map |
| 21:53.10 | thefirstdude | so give me a break |
| 21:54.00 | blast007 | might be a good idea to refresh on the basics then, instead of trying to debug a full mesh map |
| 21:54.04 | thefirstdude | how can I get rid of the 'cannot spawn for 3 seconds thing' |
| 21:54.28 | thefirstdude | blast007...that is why I started experimenting with a 9 liner bzw map |
| 21:54.52 | thefirstdude | now I only exported the starting spots from blender and am experimenting with them |
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| 21:55.49 | JeffM | I think what he means is you should read the reference docs instead of just randomly trying things |
| 21:56.05 | JeffM | get a better grasp of the basic concepts |
| 21:56.29 | JeffM | instead of flailing around and waiting for someone to tell you the answer you need |
| 22:06.05 | blast007 | both bzfs and bzw have man pages |
| 22:06.27 | thefirstdude | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Zone doesn't explain very much, is there another page that will help me |
| 22:06.34 | blast007 | the man page |
| 22:06.46 | thefirstdude | right, windows has man pages? |
| 22:06.51 | blast007 | yes |
| 22:07.01 | blast007 | look in the start menu folder for bzflag |
| 22:07.11 | blast007 | we ship then as HTML files |
| 22:07.31 | blast007 | and even if they weren't, there's always google |
| 22:08.23 | JeffM | what's missing from the wiki page? |
| 22:08.33 | JeffM | that is all the info that is in a zone |
| 22:09.12 | thefirstdude | like, usage |
| 22:09.25 | JeffM | it has a sample |
| 22:09.47 | JeffM | I thik what you want is more of an article on how to use various features together |
| 22:09.51 | thefirstdude | like..I want to know if I can make 2 zones for the same team and if players will spawn in both of them? |
| 22:10.24 | blast007 | as far as I know, that works |
| 22:10.30 | blast007 | test it, and then add info to the wiki |
| 22:10.35 | blast007 | that's why it's a wiki |
| 22:10.46 | JeffM | yeah I don't belive there are any limits |
| 22:11.00 | JeffM | having just one zone per type would be silly |
| 22:11.12 | thefirstdude | I made like 5 zones, size z 1, on each disk , they are stacked, and 5 out of 5 I spawned on the top one |
| 22:11.40 | JeffM | was that the only zone that didn't intersect a mesh? |
| 22:11.53 | blast007 | tank is taller than 1 unit too, I think |
| 22:12.00 | thefirstdude | no, they are all the same |
| 22:12.02 | JeffM | indeed |
| 22:12.09 | thefirstdude | ok, I will try 3 |
| 22:12.15 | JeffM | did the zone cover the entire area of the disk? |
| 22:12.19 | blast007 | thefirstdude: so the top one has a disk over it too? |
| 22:12.22 | JeffM | or just one part? |
| 22:12.34 | JeffM | yeah the top one is probalby the only open one |
| 22:12.51 | thefirstdude | yeh, top one is only one without disk above it |
| 22:13.01 | blast007 | so then they're not all the same ;) |
| 22:13.09 | blast007 | one has enough room to spawn |
| 22:13.13 | blast007 | the top one |
| 22:13.17 | blast007 | so it puts them there |
| 22:13.23 | JeffM | and that's not a problem with the zone, that's a problem with what you are trying to do |
| 22:13.39 | JeffM | bzflag is at it's core a 2 1/2 d game |
| 22:13.45 | JeffM | a lot of stuff is computed just for XY |
| 22:13.47 | JeffM | not Z |
| 22:13.57 | blast007 | JeffM: would it work with more of a gap between each disk? |
| 22:14.08 | JeffM | dunno |
| 22:14.11 | thefirstdude | wow, it is working now |
| 22:14.21 | thefirstdude | so I can spawn on the bottom disk |
| 22:14.22 | JeffM | or he just didn't do -sb ;) |
| 22:14.34 | blast007 | then it would force him to the ground :) |
| 22:14.44 | blast007 | hmm, or do the drop in from the top of the world |
| 22:15.02 | thefirstdude | umm, disks are like 30 apart |
| 22:15.16 | blast007 | so was it just that your zone was too short? |
| 22:15.27 | thefirstdude | guess so |
| 22:15.41 | thefirstdude | or 5out of 5 I got unlucky |
| 22:15.50 | JeffM | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Tank |
| 22:15.53 | JeffM | you should read that |
| 22:16.20 | thefirstdude | I know how big tanks are, just do /set in bzflag |
| 22:17.04 | thefirstdude | didn't know that it's barrel was 1.5 nuits though |
| 22:19.18 | JeffM | whatever a nuit is |
| 22:19.31 | CIA-71 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6866 10/w/World_units: Doable is not a great word |
| 22:20.19 | thefirstdude | nuit == unit |
| 22:23.38 | thefirstdude | my brother just ran into an internet fraud guy |
| 22:23.49 | blast007 | with his car> |
| 22:23.50 | thefirstdude | needed ppl to sell cars for him cause he is in UK |
| 22:23.50 | blast007 | ?* |
| 22:24.10 | thefirstdude | so he told him to go to his brand new site |
| 22:24.13 | JeffM | ppl is not a word |
| 22:24.26 | thefirstdude | got his IP and figured out he was from virginia |
| 22:25.01 | thefirstdude | ppl will probably be a word in the dict soon ;) |
| 22:25.10 | JeffM | no.. no it won't |
| 22:25.41 | JeffM | please try to use real English, it helps a lot :) |
| 22:26.01 | thefirstdude | Okay, I will try and use real english. |
| 22:26.07 | JeffM | thanks |
| 22:26.54 | thefirstdude | I have one question, is it possible to make block comments in bzw files? |
| 22:27.23 | blast007 | I think /* */ blocks work in 2.99.x, but that doesn't help you ;) |
| 22:29.49 | thefirstdude | I told notepad ++ bzw is python...now I can block comment :D |
| 22:30.25 | blast007 | o..k.. |
| 22:34.25 | me1 | thefirstdude, it doesn't work that way |
| 22:34.35 | me1 | bzw isn't python |
| 22:34.44 | JeffM | not by a longshot |
| 22:34.58 | thefirstdude | I know, I lied to my computer |
| 22:35.09 | me1 | bzfs is going to still reject it |
| 22:35.19 | me1 | it doesn't care what highlighter you use |
| 22:35.23 | me1 | it's still bzw |
| 22:36.09 | thefirstdude | well, it worked man |
| 22:36.16 | me1 | in bzfs? |
| 22:36.19 | me1 | or in notepad++ |
| 22:36.23 | thefirstdude | what colors should I go with |
| 22:36.29 | me1 | walks away |
| 22:36.34 | thefirstdude | red v blue, blue v purple, purple v green |
| 22:36.43 | thefirstdude | me1, it's still ascii text |
| 22:36.44 | blast007 | thefirstdude: you mean that notepad++ just makes it easy to do block comments starting with # if you set it to python? |
| 22:36.46 | JeffM | that's your choice |
| 22:36.55 | thefirstdude | blast007, yeh |
| 22:37.05 | me1 | ah |
| 22:37.11 | blast007 | that's really not block comments though ;) |
| 22:37.16 | blast007 | that's just lots of single line comments |
| 22:37.22 | blast007 | thus the confusion |
| 22:37.34 | thefirstdude | it says 'Toggle Block Comment ctrl+q'' |
| 22:41.18 | catay | happens when you lie to your computer, it lies back :) |
| 22:41.24 | blast007 | lol |
| 22:41.34 | JeffM | GIGO |
| 22:41.37 | blast007 | python doesn't have block comments |
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| 22:51.06 | JeffM | great |
| 22:51.06 | brlcad | hmm |
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| 22:51.35 | blast007 | weeee |
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| 22:51.36 | brlcad | good one blast007 |
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| 22:52.28 | McYukon | Wow, a first for me. a spammer x 100 |
| 22:52.38 | blast007 | massive clone attack from 212.43.5.27 |
| 22:52.42 | brlcad | hey niko |
| 22:52.45 | niko | hi |
| 22:52.50 | blast007 | they were spamming like mad until I +R'ed |
| 22:52.50 | brlcad | massive attack |
| 22:52.58 | brlcad | where's the music when you need it |
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| 22:53.20 | niko | great song, ( protection - massive attack ) |
| 22:53.21 | JeffM | that's the letter I was trying to remember :) |
| 22:53.42 | blast007 | was it just jibberish? or was my it just UTF-8? |
| 22:54.07 | blast007 | only gets standard ASCII in this configuration ;) |
| 22:54.30 | JeffM | what does all this get them? |
| 22:54.54 | blast007 | heh, looks like that was the bot master |
| 22:55.09 | JeffM | yeah it talked first |
| 22:55.25 | blast007 | oh did it? |
| 22:55.38 | JeffM | I mean does it actualy take anything down? or open any security holes? |
| 22:55.56 | JeffM | (2:50:00 PM) MR_ZaWb3a [n=LRKJF@212.43.5.27] entered the room. |
| 22:55.56 | JeffM | (2:50:02 PM) MR_ZaWb3a: .Im UsinG. .H4cKeRzE. |
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| 22:56.27 | blast007 | well, all those color codes made my SSH lag, so maybe that was their goal ;) |
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| 23:12.45 | kierra | ~joevano++ |
| 23:12.52 | kierra | ~JeffM++ |
| 23:12.54 | kierra | ty guys |
| 23:13.09 | JeffM | sure |
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| 23:14.17 | me1 | ah |
| 23:14.23 | me1 | so that's why xchat crashed |
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