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| 00:20.07 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 03kingrobot * r20465 10/trunk/bzflag/ (6 files in 2 dirs): bzrobots: restore robocode compatibility interfaces, remove comment |
| 00:23.22 | brlcad | yay |
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| 00:29.36 | KingRobot | ping brlcad |
| 00:30.57 | x_ares_x | password |
| 00:30.59 | x_ares_x | woops |
| 00:33.23 | Constitution | x_ares_x: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=79&t=11792 |
| 00:34.06 | x_ares_x | Constitution: yea, i was looking at that a little big ago |
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| 00:50.57 | mrapplecomputer1 | anyone willing to share about how much bandwith their server uses each month? |
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| 00:51.11 | x_ares_x | i actually have no idea >.> |
| 00:52.54 | Bambino | mrapplecomputer1: mw2 is around 250-300GB/month |
| 00:53.04 | mrapplecomputer1 | holy crap |
| 00:53.09 | Bambino | LANG |
| 00:53.10 | mrapplecomputer1 | what does bztraining use? |
| 00:53.12 | x_ares_x | wow... |
| 00:53.24 | x_ares_x | that is a log of bandwidth o.O |
| 00:53.31 | Bambino | BZTraining's is 150gb/month |
| 00:53.31 | x_ares_x | didn't think it would be THAT much... |
| 00:53.38 | Bambino | but we don't use all that |
| 00:53.43 | mrapplecomputer1 | SpazzyMcGee are you willing to share about how much bandwith your server uses each month? |
| 00:53.45 | x_ares_x | my server is probably like 2GB lulz |
| 00:53.57 | Bambino | he used mofo servers |
| 00:54.02 | SpazzyMcGee | mrapplecomputer1: I don't own a server |
| 00:54.06 | mrapplecomputer1 | wha |
| 00:54.12 | mrapplecomputer1 | ohhh woops |
| 00:54.16 | SpazzyMcGee | I run on the MoFo servers |
| 00:54.16 | mrapplecomputer1 | wrong personn :P :P |
| 00:54.27 | mrapplecomputer1 | calls optic delusion |
| 00:54.30 | SpazzyMcGee | Talk to Delusional |
| 00:55.01 | mrapplecomputer1 | delusional: ... you there? |
| 00:55.10 | delusional | i am |
| 00:55.34 | mrapplecomputer1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.02 | delusional | between 300 and 500 GB/month |
| 00:56.06 | Bambino | :D |
| 00:56.16 | delusional | we have 3 to 5popular servers |
| 00:56.17 | mrapplecomputer1 | woooow |
| 00:56.27 | mrapplecomputer1 | hmmmmm |
| 00:56.35 | mrapplecomputer1 | i might have to upgrade my server.... |
| 00:56.37 | x_ares_x | oh, are you guys talking about more than one bzfs running on a single server? |
| 00:56.40 | mrapplecomputer1 | yes |
| 00:56.44 | x_ares_x | ah, good |
| 00:56.45 | mrapplecomputer1 | like maybe 100 bzfs :P |
| 00:56.49 | Bambino | nope |
| 00:56.54 | mrapplecomputer1 | 200? |
| 00:56.56 | x_ares_x | o.- |
| 00:56.59 | delusional | theres at least 40 bzfs running on the machine |
| 00:57.03 | Bambino | mw2 is 250-300gb/month = 1bzfs |
| 00:57.03 | x_ares_x | oh, ok |
| 00:57.04 | mrapplecomputer1 | whoa |
| 00:57.09 | x_ares_x | wow.. |
| 00:57.11 | delusional | i think our all time peak was 72 |
| 00:57.13 | mrapplecomputer1 | yeah but thats really popular |
| 00:57.35 | mrapplecomputer1 | im going to be running arround 100 bzfs |
| 00:57.50 | x_ares_x | i'm glad i don't pay for my server >.> |
| 00:57.51 | delusional | it's [;auers that matter |
| 00:57.57 | delusional | players |
| 00:58.02 | mrapplecomputer1 | i know |
| 00:58.12 | mrapplecomputer1 | im not sure how much the first month is goign to be like |
| 00:58.29 | mrapplecomputer1 | allejo is going to be hosting off of my server :D |
| 00:58.34 | mrapplecomputer1 | u h oh.... |
| 00:59.30 | x_ares_x | mrapplecomputer1: what kind of hardware? well, better yet, what kind of server is it? |
| 01:00.22 | SpazzyMcGee | More listserver spam? |
| 01:00.44 | SpazzyMcGee | Why not work on making one really popular server, rather than millions of severs that never see a player |
| 01:00.54 | delusional | seriously |
| 01:01.17 | SpazzyMcGee | You're not going to need much bandwidth, because your servers won't get any traffic. Sorry to be blunt. |
| 01:01.18 | x_ares_x | the most i've ever seen on my server at a time was like 16 |
| 01:02.08 | x_ares_x | not running a map i made however -- trying to figure out how to make one >.> |
| 01:02.30 | SpazzyMcGee | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Map_Making |
| 01:02.37 | x_ares_x | yea, i've looked at that |
| 01:03.10 | SpazzyMcGee | uh http://my.bzflag.org/w/Category:Map_Making |
| 01:03.19 | SpazzyMcGee | It's got all you need to know |
| 01:03.42 | SpazzyMcGee | You need to comprehend, rather than just look, though. |
| 01:04.20 | x_ares_x | yea, i know that, it's one of the problems i'm trying to figure out =P |
| 01:04.53 | x_ares_x | hm, the bandwidth graph goes into negatives... why? |
| 01:05.48 | SpazzyMcGee | which bandwidth graph? |
| 01:07.24 | x_ares_x | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Server_Bandwidth |
| 01:08.08 | SpazzyMcGee | It doesn't |
| 01:08.25 | SpazzyMcGee | There are no points below zero |
| 01:08.47 | x_ares_x | i know, but i don't understand why it shows -2 if it's not needed |
| 01:08.48 | SpazzyMcGee | It just happens that the scale starts at -2 for some reason |
| 01:09.01 | SpazzyMcGee | It's an automatically generated graph, so meh |
| 01:11.17 | SpazzyMcGee | It's pretty linear. The more players you have the more bandwidth per player |
| 01:12.46 | mrapplecomputer1 | hmm |
| 01:12.46 | mrapplecomputer1 | thanks guys |
| 01:15.05 | trepan | SpazzyMcGee: what ever happened to K + (N * (N - 1)) ? |
| 01:18.16 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 03kingrobot * r20466 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/ (BZRobotPlayer.cxx Makefile.am): bzrobots: don't link internal libs to TestRobot.so |
| 01:22.42 | blast | mrapplecomputer1: and actually, I don't think I've ever gone past 260GB while running both MW2 and badgerking |
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| 01:28.38 | SpazzyMcGee | N^2 + N + K is a parabola... which doesn't resemble that graph at all....? |
| 01:29.21 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 03kingrobot * r20467 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/Makefile.am: er, this should work |
| 01:29.28 | trepan | SpazzyMcGee: nope, doesn't seem to |
| 01:33.21 | blast | hehe... his site is down ;) so I guess I'm checking out a "Problem loading page" message |
| 01:38.35 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20468 10/trunk/bzflag/ (5 files in 4 dirs): * touch-up for the ANSI color escape codes |
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| 01:47.02 | KingRobot | After GSoC is over, would you object to a patch that allows the bzfsAPI to send messages to players (from the server) that don't have "[SERVER->]" attached? |
| 01:51.09 | trepan | why? |
| 01:53.14 | KingRobot | Well, the thing that bought it up was a discussion about the cross-server chat. But I am sure it would be useful for other purposes as well. |
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| 02:08.59 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 03kingrobot * r20469 10/trunk/bzflag/configure.ac: added SWIG version test to configure.ac |
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| 02:10.57 | blast | KingRobot: just seems like it could be used for abuse. |
| 02:11.36 | KingRobot | blast: That's why I said only from the server (i.e. plugins) |
| 02:11.50 | blast | right, but you gave the example of cross server chat |
| 02:12.53 | blast | suppose you could indicate it was cross-server chat |
| 02:13.00 | KingRobot | exactly how cross-server would be implemented is another issue |
| 02:13.13 | blast | true |
| 02:13.31 | blast | we do have a message type byte now, so it could be a new message type |
| 02:13.41 | KingRobot | In the context of the discussion, it was: |
| 02:14.13 | KingRobot | [SERVER->] [blast@bzfs:5154] Hello... |
| 02:14.15 | KingRobot | vs |
| 02:14.18 | KingRobot | [blast@bzfs:5154] Hello... |
| 02:14.33 | blast | k |
| 02:14.47 | blast | write it up using a different message type |
| 02:15.04 | blast | already have two in there (one for normal messages, and one for /me actions) |
| 02:29.00 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 03kingrobot * r20470 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/ (PythonLoader.cxx PythonLoader.h): PythonLoader should now work with SwigPyObject |
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| 03:44.40 | SpazzyMcGee | I've come across what appears to be a weird bug in BZFS |
| 03:45.40 | SpazzyMcGee | Sometimes when I enter certain (it seems random) values for the 'spin' parameter in a group, the world file fails to load |
| 03:45.59 | SpazzyMcGee | even though they would appear to be perfectly valid values |
| 03:46.30 | SpazzyMcGee | I have an applescript outputting random values |
| 03:49.28 | SpazzyMcGee | If anyone wants to test, http://pastebin.ca/1528977 |
| 03:49.51 | SpazzyMcGee | I'm using a 2.99 build from about 2 weeks ago, so not fully up to date |
| 03:50.43 | SpazzyMcGee | That pastebin: try loading it with BZFS, it will probably fail. Then try deleting the last 'group arc3' |
| 03:50.47 | SpazzyMcGee | it should load |
| 03:50.49 | SpazzyMcGee | weird |
| 04:03.01 | SportChick | wonders why she keeps reading mrapplecomputer1 as "MrApathyCream" |
| 04:03.30 | short_circuit | 8-0 |
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| 04:12.27 | trepan | SpazzyMcGee: no errors here, linux/amd64 |
| 04:12.42 | SpazzyMcGee | weirder |
| 04:13.14 | SpazzyMcGee | I get a few "(line 123): unknown token "spin" |
| 04:13.28 | SpazzyMcGee | but then change the values, it works fine |
| 04:15.18 | SpazzyMcGee | I guess it's probably me being weird |
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| 04:53.31 | blast007 | SpazzyMcGee: I couldn't reproduce that error on my system (bzfs from the 10th, linux 32-bit) |
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| 06:47.59 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 03kingrobot * r20471 10/trunk/bzflag/src/ (13 files in 3 dirs): bzrobots: preparation for shot events |
| 06:54.26 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20472 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/ (8 files): * added built-in lua scripting to bzrobots (as promised ;) |
| 06:55.54 | trepan | KR will probably setup the MS junk ... |
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| 07:20.15 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20473 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/BZRobotControl.cxx: * fixed the DoNothing() call-out |
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| 07:34.07 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20474 10/trunk/bzflag/bots/lua/ (. bzbot.lua): * added a lua test bot (with stdin control for posix systems) |
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| 07:55.35 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20475 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/ (BZAdvancedRobot.cxx BZAdvancedRobot.h LuaLoader.cxx): * cleanup |
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| 08:18.06 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 03kingrobot * r20476 10/trunk/bzflag/ (5 files in 2 dirs): bzrobots: add lua to windows project, more work on shot events |
| 08:29.22 | KingRobot | Is the information contained within a ShotPath changed after is it created? |
| 08:36.19 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 03kingrobot * r20477 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/botplaying.cxx: bzrobots: make the killed event get through |
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| 09:02.46 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 03Bulldozer 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6619 10/w/BZRobots: |
| 09:03.33 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 03Bulldozer 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6620 10/w/BZRobots/History: |
| 09:11.54 | brad | You have been permanently banned from this board. |
| 09:11.54 | brad | Please contact the Board Administrator for more information. |
| 09:11.55 | brad | Reason given for ban: Spammer |
| 09:12.00 | brad | ?? :( |
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| 09:40.10 | cygal | brad: that's a ip ban that failed |
| 09:41.11 | brad | is everyone banned then? |
| 09:43.08 | cygal | no |
| 09:43.25 | cygal | ask blast007 for example, he may be able to help you |
| 09:43.31 | cygal | that's probably just a mistake |
| 09:44.22 | brad | will do :p |
| 09:44.26 | brad | blast007: poke^ |
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| 12:13.05 | joevano | brad: bzflag forums? |
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| 13:45.27 | joevano | brad: did a little research.. try it now |
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| 14:34.11 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r20478 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/ (AdvancedRobot.cxx AdvancedRobot.h Robot.cxx Robot.h): Add the Subversion svn:eol-style=native property to new files. |
| 15:05.40 | brlcad | neat, /ban * |
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| 15:26.23 | joevano | brlcad: nope just a nice portion of Germany it seems ;) |
| 15:26.31 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20479 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/LuaLoader.cxx: |
| 15:26.31 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: * remove the time and id parameters from the call-ins |
| 15:26.31 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: * added the GetEventID(), GetEventTime(), and GetEventPriority() call-outs |
| 15:27.19 | trepan | KingRobot should learn to use 'svn cp' to keep track of file histories |
| 15:28.20 | trepan | or 'svn mv', or whatever is applicable (the files in clientbase also lost a lot of history...) |
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| 16:54.32 | mrapplecomputer1 | does anyone know what to edit so when an admin does /say it doesnt show there name in parentheses but on the admin channel it says " Uername used the say command" |
| 16:57.29 | mrapplecomputer1 | im guessing its something in here: http://pastebin.com/d4777b753 |
| 16:58.20 | cygal | indeed |
| 16:58.25 | cygal | mrapplecomputer1: only for admins or for everyone? |
| 16:58.46 | mrapplecomputer1 | i want everyone to see what they typed after /say |
| 16:58.55 | mrapplecomputer1 | then brodcast on admin channel " whatever used /say |
| 17:00.01 | mrapplecomputer1 | something like this? http://pastebin.com/d4ea4c962 |
| 17:00.13 | mrapplecomputer1 | i removed the anonymouse messages |
| 17:00.26 | mrapplecomputer1 | part then added a new line that sends a notification to admin channel |
| 17:01.04 | BulletCatcher | That change looks like it will do what you want. You'll have to try it to be sure. |
| 17:01.21 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok |
| 17:01.25 | BulletCatcher | Wait. |
| 17:01.28 | cygal | } |
| 17:01.37 | BulletCatcher | The message to the admins doesn't say who sent it. |
| 17:01.54 | cygal | remove the lines 30 and 31? |
| 17:03.06 | mrapplecomputer1 | yes i know |
| 17:03.19 | mrapplecomputer1 | im trying to figure out how to brodcast a seperate message to admin channel |
| 17:04.49 | mrapplecomputer1 | ideas? |
| 17:05.01 | BulletCatcher | Go back to the original code. Send to AllPlayers before adding the callsign and to AdminPlayers after. |
| 17:05.26 | mrapplecomputer1 | hmmm |
| 17:07.16 | mrapplecomputer1 | newb programmer thinks this will work: http://pastebin.com/d362c02f4 |
| 17:07.53 | mrapplecomputer1 | what do you think? |
| 17:09.20 | mrapplecomputer1 | throws a bullet at BulletCatcher to wake him up |
| 17:09.54 | BulletCatcher | Patience, young padawan. |
| 17:09.57 | BulletCatcher | You are misusing messageStart in the AllPlayers message. |
| 17:10.32 | BulletCatcher | But otherwise you are on the right track. |
| 17:11.08 | BulletCatcher | You are ready to do your own testing to make sure it really works the way you want it to. |
| 17:11.16 | mrapplecomputer1 | hmmm |
| 17:11.29 | mrapplecomputer1 | but i only have one chance to compile :( |
| 17:11.45 | think_tank | that's what you get for waking up in vegas |
| 17:11.49 | mrapplecomputer1 | lol |
| 17:12.13 | mrapplecomputer1 | use hot and cold to ease your bzpain |
| 17:13.05 | mrapplecomputer1 | *cricket* |
| 17:14.01 | mrapplecomputer1 | BulletCatcher: sendMessage(ServerPlayer, AllPlayers + messageStart ); |
| 17:14.04 | mrapplecomputer1 | ? |
| 17:14.16 | blast | one chance to compile...? |
| 17:14.29 | mrapplecomputer1 | yeah... i dont want to do it over again and again |
| 17:14.35 | BulletCatcher | Just do it the way the original code is written. |
| 17:14.37 | blast | umm |
| 17:14.39 | mrapplecomputer1 | :P |
| 17:14.50 | mrapplecomputer1 | BulletCatcher: what does that mean.... |
| 17:14.56 | blast | you do realize that the second time around it only has to recompile what was changed |
| 17:15.08 | mrapplecomputer1 | *gasp* |
| 17:15.21 | mrapplecomputer1 | really? |
| 17:15.41 | mrapplecomputer1 | how do you do that? or is it the magic of 21st century computers that does it all by itself |
| 17:15.57 | blast | you just tell it to build again, and it will build what it needs to |
| 17:16.18 | mrapplecomputer1 | whoa |
| 17:16.27 | blast | yeah, amazing, I know |
| 17:16.32 | cygal | :p |
| 17:16.52 | BulletCatcher | For the AllPlayers message you should use the exact line you see in the original file. |
| 17:16.55 | cygal | worked in the 20st century too :) |
| 17:17.19 | blast | there's also this new invention called the mouse. It has this little arrow you move around on the screen. |
| 17:17.23 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok |
| 17:17.47 | mrapplecomputer1 | then i just add the admin message and take out the no annoumouse messages part? |
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| 17:18.05 | BulletCatcher | If thats how you want it to work, then yes. |
| 17:18.19 | mrapplecomputer1 | something like this? http://bzflag.pastebin.com/m7238f0aa |
| 17:18.37 | mrapplecomputer1 | and replace message here with what i want admins to see? |
| 17:18.44 | blast | try it |
| 17:18.59 | mrapplecomputer1 | hmmmmm that doesnt sound to assuring |
| 17:19.00 | blast | you're not gonna learn anything if we just give you all the answers |
| 17:19.09 | mrapplecomputer1 | yes i will :D |
| 17:19.15 | blast | not really |
| 17:19.19 | blast | just go try it |
| 17:19.22 | mrapplecomputer1 | sorta, but im in a hurrry |
| 17:19.26 | mrapplecomputer1 | ;) |
| 17:19.27 | BulletCatcher | It is unlikely that you will get it right the first try, but your AdminPlayers line is a good start. |
| 17:19.42 | mrapplecomputer1 | sigh |
| 17:20.05 | blast | we are not here to hand feed you information |
| 17:20.15 | blast | if you're in a hurry, you had better go try it |
| 17:20.47 | mrapplecomputer1 | ;) |
| 17:20.58 | mrapplecomputer1 | would you atlest give me a clue about what is wrong withhttp://bzflag.pastebin.com/m7238f0aa |
| 17:21.25 | blast | I didn't say that there was anything wrong with it |
| 17:21.31 | blast | I just said to try it |
| 17:21.33 | blast | so go try it |
| 17:22.09 | BulletCatcher | The only thing "wrong" with it is that you probably want the message sent to the admins to be different. |
| 17:22.40 | BulletCatcher | But that is between you and the admins. |
| 17:23.52 | mrapplecomputer1 | how does this look |
| 17:23.53 | mrapplecomputer1 | http://bzflag.pastebin.com/m174cecf7 |
| 17:23.59 | blast | it looks like a pastebin |
| 17:24.01 | blast | GO TRY IT |
| 17:24.10 | mrapplecomputer1 | i want suggestions i changed a few things |
| 17:24.31 | joevano | try it if it works you dont need suggestions |
| 17:24.33 | blast | suggestions? I suggest you go try it ;) |
| 17:24.37 | mrapplecomputer1 | lol |
| 17:25.22 | blast | you're really just wasting our time now |
| 17:25.37 | mrapplecomputer1 | im trying it now |
| 17:26.06 | cygal | about wasting time: should we consider this http://groups.fsf.org/wiki/Group:GNU_Generation/Help_your_project ? |
| 17:26.47 | BulletCatcher | I just joined the green team at Missile War 2. My time is being spent well. |
| 17:27.16 | mrapplecomputer1 | ugh, http://pastebin.com/d5f92c6c7 error while compiling, not related to my changes |
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| 17:29.28 | cygal | did you build it once before making changes? |
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| 17:29.59 | mrapplecomputer1 | no |
| 17:30.24 | mrapplecomputer1 | oops nevermind |
| 17:30.30 | mrapplecomputer1 | i got the error worked out :D |
| 17:46.40 | JefferyM | is it nap time yet? |
| 17:46.56 | mrapplecomputer1 | lol :P |
| 17:47.02 | mrapplecomputer1 | i mean, your very funny JefferyM |
| 17:47.18 | JefferyM | who said I was joking? |
| 17:47.25 | mrapplecomputer1 | ...... |
| 17:47.33 | joevano | but an accurate asessment none the less |
| 17:47.37 | mrapplecomputer1 | ;) |
| 17:48.29 | BulletCatcher | Nap time isn't until after noon by Mrs. Catcher's rules. |
| 17:48.46 | JefferyM | it's after noon somewhere right? |
| 17:48.58 | cygal | yeah, it's 20pm here |
| 17:48.58 | mrapplecomputer1 | rofl :P |
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| 17:49.42 | BulletCatcher | That's just what she would say before heading off to an early nap. :-) |
| 17:50.18 | mrapplecomputer1 | http://bzflag.pastebin.com/m4c7371f7 error while compilliing :((( |
| 17:50.50 | JefferyM | yep that's an error |
| 17:50.59 | JefferyM | not valid C |
| 17:51.08 | mrapplecomputer1 | yes... i saw that..... |
| 17:51.15 | JefferyM | so fix it |
| 17:51.16 | mrapplecomputer1 | blast wanted me to try and fail |
| 17:51.27 | mrapplecomputer1 | i dont know whats wrnog! i could take another guess..... |
| 17:51.49 | JefferyM | what is wrong is the code you are compiling is not valid |
| 17:51.50 | JefferyM | fix it |
| 17:51.54 | trepan | blast wanted you to do your own work instead of leeching off of others |
| 17:51.55 | JefferyM | write proper C++ code |
| 17:52.05 | mrapplecomputer1 | yeah |
| 17:52.47 | JefferyM | when doing development it helps to know how to program in the language for the thing you are developing on |
| 17:53.52 | mrapplecomputer1 | does this make sense? http://bzflag.pastebin.com/m5178f040 :D |
| 17:54.06 | JefferyM | no |
| 17:54.10 | JefferyM | that is not valid C++ |
| 17:54.17 | mrapplecomputer1 | sigh |
| 17:54.28 | JefferyM | learn C++ before you try developing code for bzflag |
| 17:54.30 | mrapplecomputer1 | what is valid C++ then... im confused |
| 17:54.34 | JefferyM | it helps a lot |
| 17:55.02 | mrapplecomputer1 | line 10 is my issue |
| 17:55.02 | JefferyM | yes it is |
| 17:55.10 | mrapplecomputer1 | i want it to say "Player used the say command" |
| 17:55.17 | JefferyM | but we arn't here to teach you how to program |
| 17:55.34 | mrapplecomputer1 | :( |
| 17:55.41 | mrapplecomputer1 | are you here to help? |
| 17:55.46 | JefferyM | sorry, we can't help people with everything |
| 17:55.48 | JefferyM | no |
| 17:55.55 | mrapplecomputer1 | :((((( |
| 17:55.57 | JefferyM | we are here bevause we want to be here |
| 17:56.11 | JefferyM | this is not our job, nor do we have any responsibiity to do anything we don't want to |
| 17:56.34 | mrapplecomputer1 | is this valid? sendMessage(ServerPlayer, AdminPlayers, "%s used the say command" ); |
| 17:56.48 | JefferyM | learn C++ |
| 17:56.51 | mrapplecomputer1 | :( |
| 17:57.02 | JefferyM | or go ask the patch author |
| 17:57.06 | spldart | Teach a man to fish.... |
| 17:57.09 | JefferyM | your patch didn't apply corectly |
| 17:57.11 | cygal | or remove lines 6 and 7 |
| 17:57.13 | JefferyM | you have to fix it |
| 17:57.29 | trepan | spldart: teach a man to learn |
| 17:57.29 | JefferyM | cygal, he'll never learn if you keep doing that ;) |
| 17:57.38 | spldart | :-x |
| 17:58.05 | trepan | teach them 'man man' on *nix systems, everything else you can do yourself ;) |
| 17:58.12 | JefferyM | he isn't even a man |
| 17:58.54 | JefferyM | his best years of learning are right now, yet he spends the time beging people to do things for him |
| 17:58.59 | JefferyM | mrapplecomputer1, you homeschooled? |
| 17:59.42 | mrapplecomputer1 | no :P |
| 17:59.57 | JefferyM | then wow, I fear for your grades in the next 5 years |
| 18:00.06 | mrapplecomputer1 | .... |
| 18:02.30 | mrapplecomputer1 | sigh |
| 18:02.44 | mrapplecomputer1 | learned nothing except that he doesnt know C++ |
| 18:03.00 | mrapplecomputer1 | and that sendMessage(ServerPlayer, AdminPlayers, messageText.c_str() + "used the say command" ); is not valid :( |
| 18:03.00 | spldart | Mrapple learned that he should go learn some C++ |
| 18:03.05 | mrapplecomputer1 | yes |
| 18:03.06 | mrapplecomputer1 | he did |
| 18:03.14 | mrapplecomputer1 | will put that on his long to do list |
| 18:03.33 | spldart | It's a marketable skill. maybe that should be up the list a bit. |
| 18:03.34 | Thumper__ | insert it before whatever it is you are currently trying to do in C++ |
| 18:03.43 | JefferyM | well yeah you didn't try to do anything other then just keep asking and making :( how would you learn anything? learning takes WORK |
| 18:03.51 | JefferyM | you have to actualy do something |
| 18:03.54 | mrapplecomputer1 | :P |
| 18:04.15 | JefferyM | no, no :P, we are trying to be serious here, yet all you do is stupid childish things |
| 18:04.25 | JefferyM | if you can't act like an adult, don't come back. |
| 18:06.03 | mrapplecomputer1 | i was trying to learn i just wanted a little guidance? maybe some explanation? but thats your choice. |
| 18:06.07 | JefferyM | I don't want to be mean, but you are getting rather anoying |
| 18:06.16 | JefferyM | we told you what you had to go do |
| 18:06.16 | mrapplecomputer1 | will be quiet now |
| 18:06.22 | JefferyM | learn C++ |
| 18:06.28 | JefferyM | telling you exactly what to do is not guidance |
| 18:06.36 | JefferyM | also we are not here to teach you how to program |
| 18:06.40 | mrapplecomputer1 | i guess so |
| 18:07.13 | JefferyM | if you want guidance, look at function definitions in C++, that's your problem |
| 18:07.24 | mrapplecomputer1 | thanks |
| 18:07.30 | JefferyM | if you want someone to just do the work and mamke it all better, then go elsewhere |
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| 18:20.44 | Patlabor221 | hmmmm... no admin features in pidgin IRC :\ |
| 18:23.17 | Manu | Patlabor221: use a true IRC client ;) |
| 18:23.40 | Bambino | X-Chat ftw, same with ChatZilla :) |
| 18:25.53 | Patlabor221 | trying to see if I can get down to one |
| 18:26.05 | Patlabor221 | dosn't look like I can |
| 18:29.10 | blast | Patlabor221: you could always just type commands manually ;) |
| 18:29.20 | Patlabor221 | no, I'd get them wrong |
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| 18:53.05 | BulletCatcher | A security fix is available for Subversion software in versions 1.5.7 and 1.6.4. See http://subversion.tigris.org/security/CVE-2009-2411-advisory.txt for details. |
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| 19:30.40 | cygal | BulletCatcher: are you going to upgrade or what for you distro to do it for you? |
| 19:30.59 | cygal | anyway if sf does its job, we don't have to worry |
| 19:35.04 | brlcad | it only exploitable by those with commit access, that's not too troubling |
| 19:35.20 | brlcad | those with commit access can cause a lot more trouble than DoS attacks |
| 19:36.02 | brlcad | but yeah, sf.net has already upgraded, announced recently |
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| 19:59.06 | BulletCatcher | SourceForge upgrading their version of Subversion is most of solution. |
| 19:59.07 | BulletCatcher | With that done, I'm not too worried about waiting for Fedora to provide an update for me. It looks like they aren't in a hurry. |
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| 21:20.22 | ts | Am I the only one who can't build trunk because make[2]: *** No rule to make target `bzrobot_python_wrap.cxx', needed by `all'. Stop. |
| 21:20.28 | cygal | no |
| 21:20.34 | cygal | it is broken here too |
| 21:20.49 | cygal | but you can build trunk, you just can't build bzrobots |
| 21:20.56 | ts | I wonder how that stuff is supposed to work |
| 21:21.44 | ts | I usually build all..good to see possible problems |
| 21:23.34 | mrapplecomputer1 | how do you recompile only a part of the source that you changed |
| 21:25.08 | BulletCatcher | mrapplecomputer1: The "make" command should understand the dependencies and recompile only what is necessary. |
| 21:25.19 | mrapplecomputer1 | ok |
| 21:25.21 | mrapplecomputer1 | thanks |
| 21:26.53 | cygal | make -j3 is useful too if you have too cores |
| 21:27.12 | BulletCatcher | ts and cygal, did you configure with --enable-bzrobots-python ? That works here, but I haven't tried it without that recently. |
| 21:27.43 | ts | BulletCatcher: I used ./configure --enable-debug --enable-shared |
| 21:27.50 | cygal | no |
| 21:28.20 | cygal | then I guess it's just a matter of saying "don't try top make this if python not asked" |
| 21:28.39 | BulletCatcher | Okay. It worked both ways a couple of days ago, but KingRobot changed that not too long ago. Obviously it needs a bt more love. |
| 21:28.53 | BulletCatcher | s/bt/bit/ |
| 21:32.41 | BulletCatcher | The Makefile.am change in r20466 seems to be the culprit. |
| 21:33.38 | BulletCatcher | By the way, --enable-shared has no effect in trunk. |
| 21:33.50 | ts | Oh |
| 21:34.21 | BulletCatcher | It is still needed for branch plugins. |
| 21:36.03 | cygal | acutally ./configure --enable-bzrobots-python has no effect here |
| 21:37.07 | cygal | BZRobots client ...: yes (without python) |
| 21:40.23 | ts | Interesting, my config.log also outputs cygal's text |
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| 22:06.20 | mrapplecomputer1 | so i edited commands.cxx to this: http://pastebin.com/m71ccfacc and it works great |
| 22:06.24 | mrapplecomputer1 | compiled and its running |
| 22:06.40 | Bambino | good for you, have a cookie |
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| 22:08.33 | mrapplecomputer1 | :D im telling abominable |
| 22:08.33 | mrapplecomputer1 | lol hes not here |
| 22:08.34 | mrapplecomputer1 | but JefferyM i figured it out! thanks for the help phasmophage ;) |
| 22:08.42 | JefferyM | umm ok |
| 22:08.55 | JefferyM | you really should check to see that your ./ key works |
| 22:09.15 | mrapplecomputer1 | and after i figured it out abominable told me there was a plugin that did that :( |
| 22:09.23 | mrapplecomputer1 | JefferyM: why? ./ |
| 22:09.28 | JefferyM | / |
| 22:09.33 | mrapplecomputer1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.41 | JefferyM | you should use it more |
| 22:09.46 | JefferyM | followed by msg |
| 22:09.51 | mrapplecomputer1 | ohhh |
| 22:09.52 | mrapplecomputer1 | sorry :D |
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| 22:12.12 | cygal | JefferyM: do you know why strings are split at each \t when displayed on window? |
| 22:12.33 | cygal | it seems to be some real old code that does not work to much with new font system, so I wonder if there are know reasons to keep that |
| 22:12.45 | JefferyM | probalby to make it wrap |
| 22:12.56 | JefferyM | since we don't realy let a user type a tab |
| 22:13.08 | JefferyM | it's an acceptable "wrap" character |
| 22:13.18 | JefferyM | tho why /n isn't good enough I have no clue |
| 22:15.20 | Erroneous | cygal: there was code that moved (horizontally) on tabs |
| 22:15.34 | cygal | yep, it's still here, but compensated by some other code |
| 22:15.45 | Erroneous | yeah, I think someone broke it |
| 22:16.02 | cygal | the compensation seems quite intentional |
| 22:16.13 | Erroneous | didn't say they broke it unintentionally ;) |
| 22:16.23 | cygal | :) |
| 22:16.52 | Erroneous | tabs were used as column delimiters in several server messages |
| 22:17.05 | Erroneous | for...shock...tabular data |
| 22:22.25 | cygal | but is it possible that they are still used? |
| 22:22.37 | cygal | FontManager would prevent the display of a tab anyway |
| 22:23.14 | cygal | I can move that code to showMessage and it will keep "old behavior" for server messages, and normal behavior for messages "just showed on screen" |
| 22:23.20 | Erroneous | yes, they aren't displayed directly, just offset...or at least that was the idea |
| 22:23.38 | cygal | "foreach tab, replace by a space" |
| 22:23.50 | Erroneous | the idea was that if you asked the server for, e.g. lagstats, the columns would line up correctly |
| 22:32.12 | cygal | erm |
| 22:32.19 | cygal | so it's not really a bug |
| 22:32.23 | cygal | and also happened in 2.0 |
| 22:32.42 | cygal | is removing \t from hardcoded server messages enough |
| 22:32.43 | cygal | ? |
| 22:32.53 | xaver | it's not a bug, it's a feature ;) |
| 22:33.06 | Erroneous | why do you want to remove it? |
| 22:33.58 | cygal | because an \t does the same effect as writing about 30 spaces |
| 22:34.12 | cygal | so it looked enough like a bug to the guy who added that in BUGS |
| 22:34.14 | Erroneous | no, it doesn't...try it with a non-uniform-width font |
| 22:34.39 | Erroneous | spaces will not line up correctly |
| 22:35.37 | cygal | I know it is not exactly the same |
| 22:35.58 | cygal | but apparently someone tried to use \t to have the same effect as in programming (at the start of a line) |
| 22:36.53 | Erroneous | ah. that would be ugly. I think the current code uses 1/3 of the screen width for the tabstops ;) |
| 22:37.05 | cygal | http://static.bzexcess.com/bzfi1003.png |
| 22:37.44 | cygal | yeah indeed, messageAreaPixels[2] / 3; |
| 22:37.59 | cygal | so I removed the \t in the /ban command |
| 22:38.07 | cygal | and one other message |
| 22:38.25 | cygal | and will leave the rest as is |
| 22:38.40 | cygal | wonders if that behavior could be documented somewhere, the next time a dev thinks it's a bug |
| 22:40.44 | cygal | brlcad: how can I measure the delays caused by texture preloading? I don't notice them with my system, but I remember you talked about that before gsoc |
| 22:42.05 | cygal | (btw those are the only two issues left that I said I would fix in my application) |
| 22:42.06 | brlcad | cygal: there's an ->Advance() call inside the TextureManager with the alphabet that is supposed to cause the glyphs to be prerendered |
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| 22:42.44 | cygal | I noticed this one indeed |
| 22:42.46 | brlcad | that along with the initial texture setup and object creation was causing about a 1s-5s delay |
| 22:43.11 | cygal | before the display of the menu? |
| 22:43.18 | brlcad | mm |
| 22:43.22 | brlcad | I believe so |
| 22:43.38 | cygal | I don't actually see much difference between that and 2.0 |
| 22:44.09 | cygal | hm, in fact I do. |
| 22:44.11 | brlcad | my 2.0 is instant |
| 22:45.40 | cygal | 0.48s vs 1.15s here |
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| 22:52.02 | cygal | indeed if I remove the advance codes, startup is roughly the same as 2.0 |
| 22:52.43 | cygal | but one of them is in getStringWidth and it's needed to get the "kerning" |
| 22:58.40 | cygal | and getStringWidth is called a lot |
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| 23:02.36 | brlcad | yeah, it's an optimization that's needed |
| 23:02.56 | brlcad | even my startup is "okay" acceptible at a couple seconds |
| 23:03.22 | brlcad | the problem iirc, was that there were some users seeing *much* longer startups (10-30s) and there was no feedback as to what was going on |
| 23:03.58 | brlcad | might be useful to have a "loading" singleton or something and advance one character at a time |
| 23:06.40 | cygal | I also wonder why "Advance" is needed to getStringWidth |
| 23:06.46 | cygal | we could use some feedback indeed |
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| 23:06.54 | cygal | will investigate tomorrow, good night |
| 23:07.10 | cygal | brlcad: do you have problems in game too? with shots for example? |
| 23:07.29 | blast007 | define "problems" ;) |
| 23:07.55 | brlcad | i have all sorts of problems |
| 23:08.12 | KingRobot | ah cygal: while you're here... has anyone reported "stuck" control keys? |
| 23:08.16 | cygal | yeah I wondered why I used 'problem' |
| 23:08.26 | cygal | I meant "delays with preloading" |
| 23:08.27 | brlcad | most aren't something you can do anything about :) |
| 23:08.44 | cygal | KingRobot: no? |
| 23:09.24 | cygal | KingRobot: but we reported that build fails if bzrobots python is not enabled, and that ./configure --enable-bzrobots-python does not activate it as advertised in ./configure --help |
| 23:09.34 | cygal | well you were not here :) |
| 23:09.49 | cygal | brlcad: what is the plan concerning the RoboCode interface by the way? |
| 23:10.02 | KingRobot | Ah, truly, well, I'll look into that; I've been building on Windows mostly as of late. |
| 23:10.37 | cygal | (but BulletCatcher does not have any problems since he already had activated python on bzrobots) |
| 23:10.53 | KingRobot | Also a good question (about robocode); brlcad, I've been meaning to hit you up on that one. |
| 23:10.55 | brlcad | ah KingRobot! |
| 23:11.01 | brlcad | yeah, me too heh |
| 23:11.19 | KingRobot | brlcad: Have you used robocode before? |
| 23:11.46 | brlcad | cygal: rebuilding atm to make sure, but like I said -- I didn't have a "big" problem with it |
| 23:11.57 | brlcad | it was a couple other users that had compiled |
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| 23:12.09 | brlcad | so there might be something really horrible on slow old systems |
| 23:12.39 | cygal | did the complain on the forums? |
| 23:12.42 | cygal | they* |
| 23:12.45 | brlcad | so either have to punt it, address it as-is to at least provide feedback, or find someone with a really slow system |
| 23:12.51 | brlcad | no, they were in here |
| 23:12.58 | KingRobot | cygal: Did anyone provide any info as to why they ./configure was failing? |
| 23:13.25 | cygal | well I don't know it is failing, BulletCatcher suggets that 'The Makefile.am change in r20466 seems to be the culprit.' |
| 23:13.32 | cygal | s/know it/know why it/ |
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| 23:14.46 | KingRobot | brlcad: The thing about robocode compatablity is that the majority (if not all) of the decent robots developed for robocode are based on the assumption that there is a movable turret |
| 23:15.49 | KingRobot | brlcad: Typically they will move perpendicaular to the angle that they are firing at opponents (movement logic coined as "wave riding") |
| 23:15.59 | brlcad | KingRobot: yes, I have used robocode before -- that's why I picked it back in 2007 as an API to staple on top of the initial BZRobots port interface |
| 23:16.40 | KingRobot | brlcad: Ok, so you would have led that movement then... The only other issue is the "energy" |
| 23:17.18 | KingRobot | brlcad: The "radar" is a non-issue; for compatablity purposes, we can just assume that the rules are changed, and the radar makes one complete rotation each turn ragardless. |
| 23:17.37 | brlcad | yeah, 'bzbot' was my original baby but lack of time got it pushed forward as a gsoc project, built on the work by brigham young |
| 23:17.47 | brlcad | there are a lot of things that are different, turrets, radar, power, .. |
| 23:18.14 | KingRobot | brlcad: Do you approve of the current threading model? It's much more robocode-like than before, I think. |
| 23:18.22 | brlcad | the intent wasn't so much that the bots would work exactly the same or at least as well as they do, but that they would at least work |
| 23:18.26 | brlcad | unified api |
| 23:18.39 | KingRobot | I understand. |
| 23:19.01 | brlcad | at some point, I'd like to get our api changes merged upstream for that matter |
| 23:19.12 | brlcad | so getHeight, for example, isn't retarded :) |
| 23:19.19 | KingRobot | right |
| 23:20.20 | KingRobot | I probably won't get to it because I'm focusing on the API, but the bzrobots client is a hairs breath from being able to load multiple modules in a single client. |
| 23:20.47 | brlcad | in robocode, you actually can configure matches with specific radar properties, so the 360 spin each turn isn't necessarily a good thing to do, but still irrelevant for our maps |
| 23:21.13 | KingRobot | brlcad: Right |
| 23:21.16 | brlcad | i haven't seen the current threading model of late, to be honest, other than to read the commit comments |
| 23:21.50 | KingRobot | The BZRobot class now has a single "run" method, just like robocode |
| 23:22.00 | brlcad | cool |
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| 23:23.01 | KingRobot | There is no longer a frontend/backend, in the networking sense as there was before. |
| 23:23.40 | KingRobot | The BZRobot object uses callbacks to communicate using shared variables in the BZRobotPlayer : RobotPlayer class. |
| 23:23.42 | brlcad | yeah, I noticed.. |
| 23:23.51 | brlcad | did you talk at all with the BYU folks for that? :) |
| 23:24.08 | brlcad | that was actually the one portion in production use, it wasn't just complexity fluff :) |
| 23:25.06 | brlcad | we can certainly live with it for 3.0, but would be nice to not leave them stranded |
| 23:25.21 | brlcad | the new stuff is a lot better, so they "should" be okay, but would be good to work with them |
| 23:25.28 | KingRobot | Ah, well, the way I figured was that if the BZRC part was used for something other than internal com, then it would be trivial to write a "bot" that emulated that feature. |
| 23:25.43 | KingRobot | Since it was a very simple request/reply protocol. |
| 23:25.59 | brlcad | hm, not a bad idea |
| 23:27.56 | KingRobot | What should we do for energy for robocode compatablity? Assume that all tanks have energy 1 (just about to die in robocode), and all bullets just enough energy to kill a tank? |
| 23:28.13 | KingRobot | ... or give all robots full energy, but make the default bullet energy much larger? |
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| 23:29.43 | brlcad | probably the latter |
| 23:30.03 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 0365.169.39.194 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6624 10/w/Flag_ideas: |
| 23:30.35 | brlcad | either way, our bullet "energy" simply matches the tank "energy" |
| 23:31.07 | KingRobot | There was some kind of formula... a 3 power bullet caused much more than 3 damage |
| 23:31.53 | brlcad | yeah, 4*power |
| 23:32.18 | brlcad | so bullets are tank energy / 4 |
| 23:32.31 | JefferyM | how are you going to handle shield? |
| 23:32.33 | KingRobot | http://robowiki.net/wiki/Robocode/Game_Physics -> Bullets -> Damage |
| 23:33.08 | JefferyM | what other game does robocode work with? |
| 23:33.14 | JefferyM | the one it was made for? |
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| 23:35.00 | JefferyM | ahh it's just a game just for the bots |
| 23:35.15 | KingRobot | Yes |
| 23:35.17 | brlcad | KingRobot: oh right, it's more complex than a fourth .. good point to consider |
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| 23:36.02 | JefferyM | or just make our shots shoot a bazillion power :) |
| 23:36.13 | brlcad | KingRobot: another thing to consider, robocode defines a set of Rules that bots are supposed to conform -- some of our rules are specific (like only one power for bullets) |
| 23:36.25 | KingRobot | JefferyM: yes, just for the bots - er, the authors ;) There are weekly competitions: http://robowiki.net/wiki/Twin_Duel |
| 23:36.39 | brlcad | JefferyM: yeah, that's possible except you made a good point about shields |
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| 23:36.55 | brlcad | that's basically a double-energy tank, so shots really do need to equal energy |
| 23:39.06 | KingRobot | brlcad: I am adding/have added a SpawnEvent and a BulletFiredEvent; robocode does not have these, but are necessary because of the nature of BZFlag. |
| 23:39.16 | brlcad | robocode shots also return energy to the shooter if they hit an enemy, another minor divergence we don't provide |
| 23:39.30 | JefferyM | and the heat thing |
| 23:39.37 | JefferyM | do the bots track there own heat? |
| 23:40.01 | KingRobot | JefferyM: the heat thing is much like the ReloadTime in BZFlag |
| 23:40.01 | brlcad | actually heat is a whole lot like our reload timer |
| 23:40.04 | JefferyM | ahh |
| 23:40.07 | brlcad | almost identical |
| 23:40.42 | KingRobot | especially when -ms 1 |
| 23:41.15 | KingRobot | Are ShotPath's set in stone one they are generated? |
| 23:41.23 | KingRobot | s/one/once/ |
| 23:41.30 | JefferyM | for non GM, for now yeah |
| 23:41.39 | JefferyM | tho they may end early |
| 23:41.45 | KingRobot | Ugh |
| 23:41.54 | JefferyM | they end when they hit a tank |
| 23:42.07 | JefferyM | so we precompute the entire bounce path, and just end it if it hits a tank |
| 23:42.34 | KingRobot | I need to be able to notify the robot when a shot has expired. |
| 23:42.50 | KingRobot | I've got notifications for when a shot hits a tank |
| 23:42.53 | brlcad | KingRobot: the original separation of the two BZ classes from the two non-BZ bot classes was a back-end protocol issue |
| 23:43.23 | KingRobot | brlcad: So I can merge them with their respective BZRobot/BZAdvancedRobot now? |
| 23:43.30 | brlcad | since you've removed that, they can probably be "collapsed" together, just making it clear what parts of the API in the class are the robocode ones |
| 23:43.43 | KingRobot | http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZRobots/API |
| 23:43.50 | brlcad | i saw that |
| 23:44.03 | brlcad | any reason to not just call them Robot/AdvancedRobot? |
| 23:44.08 | KingRobot | None |
| 23:44.20 | KingRobot | I'll just do that. |
| 23:44.29 | KingRobot | ... and add a column "for robocode compatablity purposes" to the wiki |
| 23:44.44 | brlcad | the original idea was to have the BZ ones inherit off the Robocode ones to extend them |
| 23:44.54 | brlcad | but they ended up being protocol talkers |
| 23:45.07 | brlcad | the the robocode ones were on top |
| 23:45.10 | brlcad | kinda backwards |
| 23:45.18 | KingRobot | Is that why BZRobot : BZAdvancedRobot before? |
| 23:45.22 | KingRobot | (I've fixed that since) |
| 23:45.30 | brlcad | yeah, something related to that |
| 23:45.51 | KingRobot | Alright; it will be pretty easy to merge them. |
| 23:46.12 | blast007 | (and since it sounds like you might be renaming a few files..) |
| 23:46.14 | blast007 | <+trepan> KingRobot should learn to use 'svn cp' to keep track of file histories |
| 23:46.15 | blast007 | <+trepan> or 'svn mv', or whatever is applicable (the files in clientbase also lost a lot of history...) |
| 23:46.23 | brlcad | so i'd suggest either just merging or having BZRobot : Robot and BZAdvancedRobot : AdvancedRobot and keeping the base ones identical to robocode |
| 23:46.42 | brlcad | if you merge, should make it clear in the header where robocode ends |
| 23:46.56 | brlcad | and the few that are the same but slightly diff |
| 23:47.27 | KingRobot | What about the "Event" class - I wanted to name it "Event" like robocode, but wasn't sure if there would be conflicts either in BZFlag or Windows. |
| 23:48.03 | brlcad | can wrap it all in a Robocode or BZCode namespace or something |
| 23:48.22 | brlcad | Event can conflict with X11 too |
| 23:50.53 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r20482 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/Makefile.am: unbreak build, BUILT_SOURCES need to be conditional |
| 23:53.50 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r20483 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/Makefile.am: mac os x needs the default LIBS for the Carbon/Cocoa frameworks |
| 23:54.30 | brlcad | gotta say, pretty awesome seeing lua, python, and c++ bots coming to life :) |
| 23:54.48 | KingRobot | :) |
| 23:55.12 | KingRobot | Is there a conditional we can put in the makefile for LIBS/OS X? |
| 23:55.58 | KingRobot | It was taken out because libtool is linking a bunch of junk into TestRobot.la |
| 23:56.03 | brlcad | wow, yeah, that does suck that the file histories are clobbered.. would be good to restore that |
| 23:56.23 | brlcad | KingRobot: override testrobots libs |
| 23:56.59 | brlcad | you can override per target |
| 23:57.16 | KingRobot | I tried TestRobot_la_LIBS = to no effect; something else? |
| 23:58.18 | brlcad | cygal: yeah, just checked .. about 5 seconds for me at the moment still |
| 23:58.24 | brlcad | try LIBADD |
| 23:58.50 | brlcad | or LDADD |
| 23:59.18 | KingRobot | Do you know how I would restore the file histories? (I assume you're talking about AdvancedRobot.* Robot.*); Those I meant to delete, but restored them after hearing we wanted to maintain robocode interface. |
| 23:59.37 | brlcad | KingRobot: actually, more concerned about clientbase |
