| 00:26.20 | cygal | sam: did you see this bug entry http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2827618&group_id=202130&atid=980349 ? bzflag users have also reported that j was missing |
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| 01:20.49 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 03will07c5 * r20396 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (18 files in 8 dirs): |
| 01:20.49 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: * defines/groups can now be created and removed |
| 01:20.49 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: * removed some non-functional menu items |
| 01:20.49 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: * added the ability to rename objects from the master configuration dialog |
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| 13:12.43 | tobylane | whats the game friends list |
| 13:13.55 | cygal | so I tried different fonts size for the menu to see how were fonts at small size: http://cygal.info/bzflag/800x600-small.png http://cygal.info/bzflag/800x600-medium.png http://cygal.info/bzflag/800x600-big.png |
| 13:14.20 | cygal | I'm ok with the small one, but the other ones can be considered to be more readable |
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| 15:32.07 | thefirstdude | how do I identify with pass |
| 15:32.41 | cygal | where? |
| 15:32.57 | thefirstdude | on freenode |
| 15:33.00 | thefirstdude | I forgot how |
| 15:33.30 | thefirstdude | is it someinth like /IDENTIFY nick pass or something |
| 15:33.35 | thefirstdude | I tried that and nothing |
| 15:33.36 | cygal | http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#identify |
| 15:34.20 | thefirstdude | thx |
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| 16:05.12 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20397 10/trunk/bzflag/src/ (4 files in 3 dirs): * changed StateDatabase::evalInt() to return 0 for NaN values |
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| 16:14.21 | trepan | (that fixes the fakecursor-enabled-by-default problem) |
| 16:16.53 | cygal | trepan: what do you think concerning the fonts? |
| 16:16.58 | cygal | are they ok in 800x600? |
| 16:19.00 | trepan | not my call, probably better to ask brlcad/learner/siggraph (at least I think it was from he that I first heard complaints about small font visibility) |
| 16:22.19 | Wyk3d | about multiple callsigns, they're only needed in the game right ? i.e at the forum + wiki + whateverelse there would be a single primary one that you can change |
| 16:22.20 | cygal | yeah, we talked about it with JeffM, but he's not here |
| 16:22.37 | cygal | blast007 put two items concerning fonts in BUGS |
| 16:22.43 | cygal | so yeah, blast007: ping |
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| 16:24.51 | cygal | hey JefferyM - I tried to enlarge the font size (in the menus for starters), to see if it would look better in 800x600 |
| 16:24.54 | cygal | http://cygal.info/bzflag/list.php |
| 16:25.11 | cygal | You were saying we should try, so here are the tries |
| 16:25.13 | cygal | any thoughts? |
| 16:25.32 | JefferyM | that's not the dialog I thought that had the problem |
| 16:25.40 | JefferyM | but medium looks fine |
| 16:25.54 | cygal | small is the current value |
| 16:25.57 | JefferyM | small is just a little too small |
| 16:25.58 | cygal | where is the problem? |
| 16:25.59 | JefferyM | yeah I figured |
| 16:26.14 | JefferyM | set that one to medium and take a look at the keybinding menu |
| 16:26.27 | cygal | ah yeah |
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| 16:26.49 | Marzipan | otmail.de |
| 16:27.26 | Marzipan | ups :P |
| 16:27.55 | cygal | wow, the key mapping one sucks |
| 16:28.04 | cygal | but it does not use all the available space |
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| 16:31.36 | cygal | hm, it does not use "menuFontSize" |
| 16:35.10 | cygal | http://cygal.info/bzflag/keymaps/list.php |
| 16:35.31 | cygal | I changed "infoFontSize", from 1/96 to 1/40 |
| 16:35.35 | JefferyM | yeah go for medium |
| 16:35.43 | cygal | used in key mapping, help, and quick keys |
| 16:35.46 | JefferyM | that's at least readable |
| 16:35.55 | cygal | the only one that still sucks at 800x600 is Help |
| 16:36.01 | JefferyM | cool |
| 16:36.08 | cygal | we could split it in two like the two others |
| 16:36.37 | JefferyM | yeah |
| 16:36.42 | JefferyM | just make sure its' a logical split |
| 16:38.40 | cygal | yeah, don't worry, there are "logical blocks", but no more than 3 or 4 elements (like the different zoom levels) |
| 16:40.57 | cygal | wow, there are a lot of pages in help :) |
| 16:42.18 | cygal | leaves |
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| 17:42.29 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20398 10/trunk/bzflag/src/common/StateDatabase.cxx: * added the (int) cast |
| 17:43.49 | x_ares_x | does being an unaffiliated sniper make you a hit man or something? |
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| 17:49.23 | siggraph | trepan: wasn't I complaining about small fonts |
| 17:49.34 | siggraph | any one of those three look fine |
| 17:50.02 | siggraph | cygal: the menus are supposed to take an "exepeted line height" parameter that lets them auto-size based on the current aspect ratio |
| 17:52.52 | BulletCatcher | s/exepeted/expected/ presumably. That typo really threw me. |
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| 19:42.03 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 0387.194.201.134 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6605 10/w/Map_FAQ: /* Getting Help */ |
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| 20:26.58 | Wyk3d1 | what could cause globals in php to stop working ? O.o .. |
| 20:30.33 | cygal | siggraph: I don't have the code, but hm, it did not seem to work for all menus |
| 20:30.46 | cygal | and even with that, some were too small |
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| 21:14.33 | thefirstdude | is bzflag still being updated and changed or is pretty much dormant |
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| 21:15.38 | joevano | 3.0 is being readied for release |
| 21:15.44 | racecar56 | nice :D |
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| 21:16.22 | joevano | a look at the svn repository on sourceforge will show you it is very active |
| 21:16.42 | racecar56 | that's good |
| 21:17.22 | racecar56 | i'm currently trying to see if i can get a map making thing for linux |
| 21:17.53 | joevano | i would suggest emacs on linux |
| 21:17.57 | joevano | ;) |
| 21:18.08 | thefirstdude | joevano, what are major new features? |
| 21:18.26 | joevano | most people use a text editor to make maps |
| 21:18.49 | thefirstdude | joevano, are you for real. what happened to blender etc. |
| 21:19.25 | thefirstdude | a bzflag map editor is not neccesary, considering it is EASY to make blender export bzw |
| 21:19.26 | joevano | yeah you can use those.. but for real... most mapmakers use a text editor |
| 21:19.31 | thefirstdude | I made a script myself |
| 21:20.16 | trepan | joevano: most box&pyr map makers? |
| 21:20.34 | joevano | there already is a blender plugin and wings3d has a built in exporter for bzflag meshes |
| 21:21.25 | racecar56 | bzflag is so awesome on my new 8600GT :D much better than my broken laptop |
| 21:21.51 | joevano | trepan: most map makers that are considered good map makers by the community |
| 21:22.06 | trepan | like LouMan? |
| 21:22.22 | joevano | there is a BZWorkbench editor under developmont |
| 21:22.26 | Allejo | didnt louman use something like lightwave? |
| 21:22.30 | trepan | yup |
| 21:22.41 | trepan | and wings3d to re-normalize, iirc |
| 21:22.50 | joevano | LouMan uses stuff none of us can afford ;) |
| 21:23.01 | trepan | but he surely did not do his maps just with a text editor |
| 21:23.10 | racecar56 | i can't seem to compile bzfed, it's old so i'm not suprised |
| 21:23.13 | Allejo | why did louman have lightwave? |
| 21:23.16 | trepan | fwiw, wings3d can easily be used to do his level of mesh maps |
| 21:23.19 | joevano | hence the most* |
| 21:23.44 | joevano | agreed |
| 21:24.23 | joevano | and yes final map construction was with a text editor |
| 21:24.40 | trepan | but that certainly wouldn't be considered the primary map making tool |
| 21:25.12 | joevano | nor wwould lightwave (in his case) |
| 21:25.21 | trepan | why not? |
| 21:25.56 | joevano | why yes, we could slice it 100 ways |
| 21:26.13 | joevano | one is dependant on the other |
| 21:26.50 | trepan | and you'd probably still end up being wrong for most of those slices ;-) |
| 21:27.06 | joevano | Allejo: he uses it at work |
| 21:27.30 | Allejo | ah |
| 21:28.17 | joevano | nhence the most as i said, any generalsations break down when looking at cases one by one, but they still should be made |
| 21:29.03 | joevano | racecar56: yeah, that is not maintained anymore (i believe) |
| 21:29.09 | bryjen | ~n |
| 21:29.10 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, n is the disease bzflag players get when they play too much. There is no cure. |
| 21:29.28 | joevano | thefirstdude: http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_3.0 |
| 21:29.28 | thefirstdude | lots of people use text editors cause they aren't advanced enough to understand scripts and advanced editors |
| 21:29.41 | thefirstdude | it's blocked on this computer |
| 21:29.48 | thefirstdude | family comp |
| 21:30.18 | joevano | thefirstdude: you would be wrong on that part... most editors do not support bzflag 2.0 objects |
| 21:31.07 | thefirstdude | exactly, that's why you use smart scripts to convert 'things' in the editor to something in bzflag |
| 21:31.41 | joevano | racecar56: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Category:Map_Making |
| 21:31.56 | thefirstdude | are any of inferno's maps still up |
| 21:32.07 | joevano | there are some editors in there to get you started |
| 21:32.24 | thefirstdude | have you even heard of Inferno |
| 21:32.34 | joevano | maybe on my server, let me check |
| 21:33.23 | joevano | bzflag3.norang.ca:5174 |
| 21:33.54 | joevano | oh, awd 5173 |
| 21:34.39 | joevano | so yep, i have heard of him ;) |
| 21:34.39 | thefirstdude | yeh, inferno is my bzflag nick |
| 21:34.47 | joevano | oh, hi |
| 21:34.53 | thefirstdude | haven't played bz in like 4 years |
| 21:35.06 | joevano | my nick WAS donny_baker |
| 21:35.14 | thefirstdude | why the change |
| 21:35.39 | joevano | got tired of it.. so went with my RL name |
| 21:35.45 | thefirstdude | maybe you can help me, I forgot me pass for bzflag.norang.ca and my bzbb pass, but I think they are the same |
| 21:35.50 | thefirstdude | did you hash it? |
| 21:37.49 | joevano | why not just reset the password on bzbb |
| 21:38.02 | thefirstdude | oh...how |
| 21:38.11 | thefirstdude | do I need my original email |
| 21:38.21 | thefirstdude | I think I lost my old email |
| 21:38.53 | joevano | you don't have the account anymore? |
| 21:39.09 | thefirstdude | yeh, changed ISP |
| 21:39.15 | thefirstdude | free email came with |
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| 21:42.30 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 0370.103.74.8 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6606 10/w/BZFlag_on_IRC: /* External links */ The link is bad. |
| 21:43.21 | CIA-76 | BZFlag: 0370.103.74.8 07http://my.bzflag.org * r6607 10/w/BZFlag_on_IRC: /* IRC Clients */ The link is bad. |
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| 23:01.19 | racecar56 | :( my internet is slow enough to trigger the lag warning |
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| 23:31.08 | racecar56 | is v3.0 going to be terrible on 200kbps internet? 2.0 is already kicking me from a lot of places because of my lag |
| 23:32.02 | Bambino | how many ms lag? |
| 23:32.07 | racecar56 | 300+ |
| 23:32.12 | Bambino | oh |
| 23:32.16 | Bambino | that would do it |
| 23:32.26 | Bambino | any other programs running? |
| 23:32.33 | racecar56 | i don't think so |
| 23:32.51 | racecar56 | i'm using debian squeeze with kde4 |
| 23:33.17 | JefferyM | what is your frame rante? |
| 23:33.19 | JefferyM | rate |
| 23:33.25 | racecar56 | i don't know |
| 23:33.32 | JefferyM | 3 should not have any more inhernet lag then 2 |
| 23:33.33 | Bambino | in-game press 't' |
| 23:33.34 | JefferyM | hit t |
| 23:33.48 | racecar56 | ok checking |
| 23:33.48 | Bambino | top left of your mouse box |
| 23:34.14 | racecar56 | it dosen't work |
| 23:34.26 | JefferyM | yes it does |
| 23:34.30 | racecar56 | not for me |
| 23:34.35 | JefferyM | check your keymap see if you remaped it |
| 23:36.02 | trepan | 't' is hardcoded in v2.0 |
| 23:36.13 | JefferyM | then he won't have changed it ;) |
| 23:36.22 | JefferyM | does capslock or shift matter? |
| 23:36.33 | Bambino | shouldn't |
| 23:36.49 | Bambino | it takes a sec to pop up...so wait |
| 23:37.04 | racecar56 | it's 370 |
| 23:37.09 | JefferyM | good lord |
| 23:37.10 | Bambino | lol... |
| 23:37.13 | JefferyM | and what is your lag? |
| 23:37.16 | Bambino | lucky |
| 23:37.32 | racecar56 | i know that it can be 300+ miliseconds |
| 23:37.36 | racecar56 | the lag |
| 23:37.55 | Bambino | racecar56: do /localset fpsLimit 150 - in-game |
| 23:38.22 | racecar56 | Bambino: kk |
| 23:38.22 | Bambino | there's been problems with high FPS on some maps |
| 23:38.36 | Bambino | like on MW2, you can bump up to a camping slot |
| 23:39.13 | racecar56 | Bambino: how do i do /localset fpsLimit 150, sorry i'm a noob |
| 23:39.20 | Bambino | press 'n' |
| 23:39.28 | Bambino | then do /localset fpsLimit 150 |
| 23:39.35 | Bambino | _exactly_ like that |
| 23:39.41 | Bambino | you need the capital L |
| 23:40.32 | JefferyM | yeah but that won't give him that cruddy lag |
| 23:40.35 | JefferyM | is it satalite? |
| 23:40.56 | Bambino | low bar wifi..? |
| 23:41.04 | racecar56 | dosen't help |
| 23:41.13 | Bambino | it won't |
| 23:41.20 | racecar56 | it dosen't change my fps either |
| 23:41.22 | Bambino | you just don't need that many FPS |
| 23:41.25 | Bambino | hm |
| 23:41.43 | Bambino | what did you type, _exactly_ |
| 23:41.50 | racecar56 | same thing |
| 23:41.56 | JefferyM | don't focus on thigns that wont' change his problem |
| 23:42.02 | racecar56 | "/localset fpsLimit 150" |
| 23:42.06 | JefferyM | what kind of internet conenction is racecar56 ? |
| 23:42.23 | racecar56 | cable modem |
| 23:42.27 | trepan | and what's the distance between him and the bzfs server? |
| 23:42.35 | racecar56 | this comp > router > modem > internet |
| 23:42.45 | JefferyM | yeah, where are you, where is the server, and are you connected over wireless? |
| 23:42.53 | racecar56 | no wireless |
| 23:43.02 | JefferyM | where are you located? |
| 23:43.04 | trepan | new york to moscow? |
| 23:43.05 | racecar56 | let me see what the server is |
| 23:43.16 | racecar56 | louisiana in usa |
| 23:43.35 | racecar56 | the server i was using is bztraining.org |
| 23:43.39 | Bambino | ah |
| 23:43.48 | racecar56 | it however didnt give problems |
| 23:43.48 | Bambino | Seattle, Washington |
| 23:44.00 | Bambino | that's jcp's and my server |
| 23:44.02 | racecar56 | let me find a troublesome one |
| 23:44.34 | JefferyM | probably just the route then |
| 23:44.46 | JefferyM | or is anyone else doing anything on your network? |
| 23:44.54 | JefferyM | downloads, streaming, etc?? |
| 23:45.02 | racecar56 | i have no clue |
| 23:45.15 | JefferyM | it's probably not bzflag that is causing the lag |
| 23:45.17 | Bambino | any other computers on your network? |
| 23:45.37 | trepan | racecar56: traceroute bztraining.org |
| 23:45.38 | racecar56 | yes |
| 23:46.05 | racecar56 | trepan: pastebin the output? |
| 23:46.12 | trepan | sure |
| 23:46.30 | racecar56 | trepan: http://racecar56.pastebin.com/f464daf65 |
| 23:46.57 | JefferyM | that looks fine |
| 23:47.01 | racecar56 | :D |
| 23:47.12 | Bambino | what lag do you get there? |
| 23:47.14 | racecar56 | the server works fine |
| 23:47.23 | JefferyM | ok, so that dosn't help |
| 23:47.23 | racecar56 | how do i check that |
| 23:47.29 | Bambino | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.31 | racecar56 | kk |
| 23:47.36 | Bambino | or just press o and then enter |
| 23:47.41 | racecar56 | let me find a troublesome server |
| 23:48.19 | Bambino | leaves for work...not that anyone cares |
| 23:49.01 | racecar56 | quol.guleague.org *instantly* kicks me |
| 23:49.10 | JefferyM | then traceroute that |
| 23:49.47 | racecar56 | i will pastebin |
| 23:50.21 | racecar56 | http://racecar56.pastebin.com/f2324a9e8 |
| 23:50.45 | JefferyM | that ain't too bad |
| 23:50.51 | racecar56 | hmm |
| 23:50.59 | JefferyM | what is the message when you join? |
| 23:51.05 | JefferyM | does it say lagkick or ban? |
| 23:51.30 | racecar56 | it happens when i press i |
| 23:51.55 | JefferyM | does it give you any message other then that you have been disconnected? |
| 23:52.00 | JefferyM | anythign about UDP? |
| 23:52.09 | racecar56 | aha it's some kind of i didn't have permission thing |
| 23:52.22 | JefferyM | there ya go |
| 23:52.25 | JefferyM | reading is fun ;) |
| 23:52.40 | racecar56 | i guess that means it's some sort of private server |
| 23:52.42 | racecar56 | going on |
| 23:52.53 | JefferyM | gu is a leauge |
| 23:53.08 | JefferyM | you have to join and be added before you can play |
| 23:54.41 | racecar56 | kk |
| 23:56.01 | racecar56 | i remember 08.bztank.net giving me trouble but it isnt anymore |
| 23:56.25 | JefferyM | such is the nature of the intertubes |
| 23:58.50 | racecar56 | 001.bzflag.fr works fine? O_O |
| 23:59.26 | *** join/#bzflag jcp (n=jw@unaffiliated/javawizard2539) |
