| 00:13.46 | blast007 | Mets: isn't supported afaik |
| 00:14.01 | blast007 | had to use one back in the 6x.xx or 7x.xx range |
| 00:14.53 | blast007 | even a GeForce 4MX doesn't work with (or need?) the newest driver. Nvidia points you to a much older one. |
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| 00:49.48 | steerpike | hey Thumper_ :) |
| 00:49.58 | Thumper_ | hi |
| 00:50.01 | steerpike | < titmouse |
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| 06:52.40 | Yassen | How does the ground plane do great lighting so well without the fps killer of many close verticies? |
| 07:00.12 | jorgenpt | How does the what? |
| 07:00.43 | a_meteorite | I think he means with the lua scripts in trunk? |
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| 07:03.53 | blast007 | a_meteorite: no, I think he means the ground |
| 07:04.21 | a_meteorite | I would not classify any of the ground I've seen as "great lighting" |
| 07:04.31 | a_meteorite | except for the lua script screenshots I've seen |
| 07:04.44 | blast007 | lua isn't in the latest trunk anymore |
| 07:04.52 | a_meteorite | why? |
| 07:04.57 | blast007 | because it was removed |
| 07:05.07 | a_meteorite | ... right |
| 07:05.10 | blast007 | ;) |
| 07:05.11 | a_meteorite | was there a particular reason? |
| 07:05.21 | a_meteorite | I thought it was really neat |
| 07:05.27 | a_meteorite | not that I can program in lua :) |
| 07:05.29 | blast007 | part of it was to help get the 3.0.0 release out sooner |
| 07:06.09 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 07:07.50 | Yassen | The ground does lighting better than a box the size of the world would do, this applies to trunk and 2.0.10. So how does the ground display it so well without using a lot of verticies? Since opengl calculates lighting on the vertex. |
| 07:08.21 | trepan | fake lighting via blended textures |
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| 07:59.05 | cygal | steerpike: why don't you just /nick titmouse? |
| 08:00.13 | steerpike | i just tell people who i played with/against :) |
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| 08:36.05 | cygal | wtf |
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| 09:52.02 | joevano | ~cygal++ |
| 09:52.05 | joevano | thanks |
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| 09:55.04 | joevano | really needs to change my username on the wiki ;) |
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| 11:13.26 | cygal | ~joevano++ |
| 11:13.28 | cygal | thanks :) |
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| 15:08.59 | spldart | What changed in the *.ac file this weekend? Or perhaps it's another 'check' in the build system. I was starting a build on a debian rig I've built many times before including last friday but today's configure output a no bzflag client binary! (need OpenGL) |
| 15:11.06 | blast007 | svn log configure.ac |
| 15:14.23 | spldart | ugh.... | less |
| 15:14.34 | spldart | Work inet is slow as poop |
| 15:15.30 | spldart | hrm.. I remember that commit.. trep bumped proto and rev.. /me checks logs |
| 15:17.56 | trepan | maybe something changed external to bzflag? |
| 15:17.57 | trepan | might want to check config.log, and find out exactly what the problem is |
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| 15:19.22 | spldart | I'm researching everything now ;) |
| 15:22.10 | spldart | it thinks I don't have opengl. But last boot it did. I'm checking the little details config looks for but manually now. |
| 15:22.37 | blast007 | that's more of a generic error anyway |
| 15:23.01 | blast007 | it just means our test app didn't build/run properly, which could be unrelated to if GL is there |
| 15:28.03 | spldart | Crap.. this will take to much of my monday... I'll do some research on my test machine at home and bring the notes back to this one tomorrow. meh Besides.. the machine at home is nearly identical install.. if it does the build just fine then I know its my end problem |
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| 16:58.57 | bryjen | ObstacleMgr.cxx:1254: int compareHeights(const void*, const void*): Assertion `false && "this should not happen"' failed. |
| 16:59.28 | trepan | map? |
| 16:59.48 | bryjen | worked yesterday. just up'ed and rebuilt. random, ie run bzfs without any options |
| 17:00.01 | trepan | ah, i know what that is ;-) |
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| 17:00.45 | bryjen | hmm, doesn't like decks either... |
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| 17:00.49 | trepan | bryjen: that should do it ... |
| 17:01.15 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20007 10/trunk/bzflag/src/obstacle/ObstacleMgr.cxx: * temporary fix, assign the ids twice |
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| 17:02.30 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20008 10/trunk/bzflag/src/obstacle/ObstacleMgr.cxx: * fix the tmp fix ;) |
| 17:07.34 | bryjen | that's got it |
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| 17:45.56 | KTL | how can i put a color gradient on my maps? i thought about blending the textures with a color gradient depending on height |
| 17:46.28 | JefferyM | what do you want to change color? |
| 17:46.37 | JefferyM | the verts? |
| 17:46.40 | KTL | buildings with a darker base and a lighter top for example |
| 17:46.44 | KTL | yes meshes |
| 17:46.49 | KTL | i generate the meshes myself |
| 17:46.56 | KTL | so i could do some precomputation |
| 17:47.02 | JefferyM | IIRC you can do a color per vertex |
| 17:47.19 | KTL | aha something like that i want, blended with the materialtexture |
| 17:47.57 | JefferyM | hmm maybe you can't, we do all our faces as a group |
| 17:49.01 | joevano | KTL: there is a map at battleground.com:5321 that uses gradients I think, though not the way you want |
| 17:49.08 | KTL | checks |
| 17:50.08 | KTL | well that is where i got the idea :) |
| 17:50.41 | KTL | that red white pyramid there :) |
| 17:51.40 | KTL | or can i mix 2 textures?? |
| 17:52.03 | joevano | save the map and look |
| 17:52.08 | KTL | one long texture line, 1 pixel width, many pixels high |
| 17:52.55 | Janis | anybody knows a program which can record all the actions i am doing on desktop (Mac os) |
| 17:54.03 | Janis | record as video* |
| 17:57.21 | trepan | google knows |
| 17:57.44 | KTL | http://pastebin.com/de466764 <- i think his gradients are done using lists of material definitions like this, but ... how does he refer to them? they got no name? |
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| 17:58.14 | Digital-Pioneer | Ahhh, so if I use BZF trunk then I can't play on old servers? :( |
| 17:58.41 | trepan | KTL: look at the rest of the map ? |
| 17:59.03 | KTL | myes, scanning, big... but if a material has no name how can you refer to it? |
| 17:59.05 | Digital-Pioneer | The fonts in trunk are excellent, BTW. They look really good. |
| 17:59.13 | joevano | Digital-Pioneer: nope, they are not compatible |
| 17:59.22 | trepan | KTL: grep matref, and the answer appears |
| 17:59.41 | Digital-Pioneer | joevano: Have they revamped the protocol? Standard BZF isn't working nicely on my machine... |
| 18:00.17 | KTL | indices ... :) |
| 18:00.44 | trepan | KTL: the svn trunk code appends '# <index>' to unnamed materials to make them easier to find ;) |
| 18:00.51 | trepan | (when saving a world) |
| 18:00.56 | KTL | yes, practical |
| 18:02.08 | Digital-Pioneer | Also, is there any particular reason why I had to drop '#include <stdio.h>' into several of the bzflag/plugins/whatever/whatever.cpp files to compile? |
| 18:02.16 | joevano | Digital-Pioneer: yes, the protcol has changed several times |
| 18:02.21 | KTL | notices that he might be responsible for boosting the usage of the term "revamped" |
| 18:02.37 | trepan | Digital-Pioneer: what errors appear if it isn't included? |
| 18:02.59 | Digital-Pioneer | trepan: Just trivial things like not knowing what sprintf means. |
| 18:03.04 | joevano | Digital-Pioneer: there are some trunk servers out there, but it is really not ready for mass consumption yet ;) |
| 18:03.06 | trepan | there's your answer |
| 18:03.33 | Digital-Pioneer | joevano: It looks pretty good to me, but there was no-one to play... World weapon doesn't fight fair, you can't kill him back. |
| 18:03.59 | joevano | yeah it looks nice and all but there are some pretty nice bugs yet |
| 18:04.04 | JefferyM | Digital-Pioneer, what do you mean by "revamped"? |
| 18:04.32 | Digital-Pioneer | JefferyM: Uhh, modified, upgraded, changed, and otherwise incompatible? |
| 18:04.56 | JefferyM | yes to all |
| 18:05.07 | JefferyM | major version changes are always going to be incompatable |
| 18:05.27 | Digital-Pioneer | I would assume that is BZF trunk is not compatible with old BZF, then the protocol must have been changed (revamped) and hopefully upgraded instead of downgraded. :) |
| 18:05.33 | joevano | Janis: http://www.mactricksandtips.com/2009/06/video-capture-your-desktop.html |
| 18:06.02 | JefferyM | the terms you use don't make much sense |
| 18:06.09 | JefferyM | how do you "downgrade" a protocoll |
| 18:06.13 | JefferyM | all you do is change it |
| 18:07.05 | Digital-Pioneer | JefferyM: Well, if said changes cause it to be less stable, use more bandwidth, and fail to communicate all the data necessary, I would call that a downgrade. :P |
| 18:07.24 | JefferyM | trunk has elements of all of those |
| 18:07.29 | JefferyM | in some cases we use more bandwith |
| 18:07.35 | JefferyM | we also send less information |
| 18:07.43 | JefferyM | and by it's nature as development code is unstable |
| 18:08.02 | Digital-Pioneer | You use more bandwidth to send less information? That qualifies as downgrade in my book... :( |
| 18:08.17 | JefferyM | I never said those 2 things were used at the same time |
| 18:08.20 | JefferyM | you presume too much |
| 18:08.32 | JefferyM | sending less info to the client is a good thing |
| 18:08.38 | JefferyM | means more stuff is done on the server ;) |
| 18:08.57 | JefferyM | and some messages have gotten larger to include more data, and use more bandwith |
| 18:09.01 | JefferyM | again a good thing |
| 18:09.20 | JefferyM | we would not intntionaly make the game worse |
| 18:09.33 | JefferyM | but sometimes to make things better you have to do all those things you mentioned. |
| 18:09.52 | Digital-Pioneer | Exactly my point. Which is why I said (in jest, I might add) that I hope you upgraded and not downgraded. |
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| 18:10.21 | JefferyM | those are not the terms I'd use |
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| 18:10.26 | JefferyM | "improvements" |
| 18:10.41 | JefferyM | some people will not like some of the changes we've made and will call it a downgrade |
| 18:10.52 | Digital-Pioneer | Well, being as I don't work for Microsoft, I consider improvements to be upgrades. |
| 18:10.53 | JefferyM | lag comp and acceperation |
| 18:10.59 | KTL | nightmare :D |
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| 18:11.39 | KTL | purple panzer is still building maps i see |
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| 18:12.09 | KTL | but i miss some ... highly specialized maps (including players) after months of absence |
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| 18:14.31 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03trepan * r20011 10/trunk/bzflag/ (62 files in 10 dirs): |
| 18:14.35 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: * added BZDBNames, because game related names should |
| 18:14.37 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: not be in StateDatabase as it resides in src/common |
| 18:14.41 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: * substitution, s/StateDatabase::BZDB_/BZDBNAMES./ |
| 18:16.32 | Will07c5 | I'm going to start work on the texture matrix editor today |
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| 18:38.00 | KTL | there is no way to combine textures i guess... |
| 18:39.32 | trepan | KTL: use translucent texture overlays with an offset |
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| 18:39.40 | KTL | 2 faces on top of each other? |
| 18:39.47 | trepan | yup, with an offset |
| 18:40.00 | KTL | graphics card will love this but yes ... |
| 18:40.31 | trepan | and it probably won't look great ;) |
| 18:40.35 | KTL | (ppl allready complained about heavy maps :( ) |
| 18:41.26 | KTL | what could be possible: plants covering everything ... |
| 18:45.29 | steerpike | KTL! :D |
| 18:46.12 | KTL | steerpike, i play again. |
| 18:46.21 | steerpike | cool ^_^ |
| 18:47.35 | steerpike | i got invited to old timers league |
| 18:47.51 | steerpike | just a bunch of silvercat guys |
| 18:49.23 | spldart | There's an oldtimers league? |
| 18:49.36 | steerpike | http://openleague.net/index.php?link=teaminfo&id=12 |
| 18:50.22 | spldart | interesting |
| 18:50.23 | KTL | grace plays ok |
| 18:50.33 | KTL | titmouse sounds familiar :p |
| 18:50.42 | KTL | a hobo is good |
| 18:50.46 | KTL | iirc |
| 18:50.47 | spldart | yep |
| 18:51.06 | KTL | mmm remember boresnake but the rest ... pfft ... no danger to expect |
| 18:51.08 | steerpike | ;) |
| 19:14.21 | KTL | trepan, i got the offset faces allready, working on the rest now |
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| 19:37.24 | Digital-Pioneer | Is there a way to make BZF use pulseaudio? |
| 19:37.54 | KTL | next step: connect projectM audio visualizer to the whole ... |
| 19:38.50 | blast007 | Digital-Pioneer: probably by installing the SDL package that uses pulseaudio? :) |
| 19:38.57 | blast007 | i.e. libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio |
| 19:39.25 | blast007 | assuming you're using SDL in BZFlag, that is |
| 19:40.39 | Digital-Pioneer | blast007: The audio driver reported is dsp and nothing I can do is changing it. |
| 19:42.49 | blast007 | what SDL package do you have installed? |
| 19:43.11 | blast007 | and is bzflag using SDL? |
| 19:44.16 | Digital-Pioneer | blast007: I have SDL 1.2.13 installed, sdl_mixer 1.2.8 |
| 19:44.32 | blast007 | right... that's the version, not which one |
| 19:44.51 | blast007 | I know, for instance, debian and ubuntu have several different libsdl's you can install |
| 19:44.57 | blast007 | one for each audio subsystem |
| 19:45.08 | Digital-Pioneer | Oh, I just have SDL. I'm on Archlinux |
| 19:45.19 | blast007 | does that SDL support pulse audio? |
| 19:45.43 | blast007 | guess I should ask what the real problem is too. Do you not get audio? |
| 19:46.39 | Digital-Pioneer | I get audio, yeah, but it cuts off other apps that are playing audio. |
| 19:47.38 | blast007 | http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio#Configuration_of_SDL_for_PulseAudio |
| 19:47.47 | Digital-Pioneer | Yeah, I just pulled that up. :) |
| 19:48.08 | blast007 | as a quick test, you could run this from a terminal: SDL_AUDIODRIVER="pulse" bzflag |
| 19:48.31 | Digital-Pioneer | That's what I'm doing. :) |
| 19:48.35 | blast007 | k |
| 19:49.04 | Digital-Pioneer | Now no audio at all. |
| 19:49.11 | Digital-Pioneer | Audio driver: audio not available |
| 19:49.35 | Digital-Pioneer | Same with audio driver esd |
| 19:50.21 | Digital-Pioneer | WTH... If I run BZF from alt-f2, it has audio, but if I run it from terminal it doesn't. |
| 19:50.57 | Digital-Pioneer | Nope, it just doesn't like the SDL_AUDIODRIVER being set to something. |
| 19:51.20 | blast007 | try setting it to "pulse" in the audio settings menu |
| 19:51.36 | Digital-Pioneer | BZF output: Couldn't open audio: No available audio device |
| 19:51.56 | blast007 | hmm |
| 19:52.12 | blast007 | linux audio can be fun ;) |
| 19:52.23 | Digital-Pioneer | Anything I set the driver/device to in settings gets forgotten as soon as BZF exits. |
| 19:52.51 | blast007 | try this: make sure to hit the enter key after setting it, and then also manually hit "save settings" |
| 19:53.00 | blast007 | typing it* |
| 19:53.16 | Digital-Pioneer | ........Oh, OK. :P |
| 19:53.53 | Digital-Pioneer | OK, it kept it, but now it just says audio not availabe. |
| 19:54.37 | blast007 | :) |
| 19:55.57 | blast007 | well, that's about all the suggestions I can give, unfortunately. I mainly play on Windows, and occasionally on Ubunut (which has a SDL package for each specific sound system, so I instsall that specific one) |
| 19:56.14 | blast007 | Ubuntu* |
| 19:57.11 | Digital-Pioneer | Ahh, so I set audio driver to alsa, and made it stick, and now all works. (ALSA already runs through pulse) |
| 19:57.19 | Digital-Pioneer | :D |
| 19:58.11 | Digital-Pioneer | OK, now I've gotta install my new hard drive. :) Thanks for your help! |
| 19:58.26 | blast007 | ah, cool |
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| 20:31.27 | Mets | hmm blast did digital-pioneer get his graphics card issue fixed? |
| 20:31.38 | blast007 | don't know |
| 20:32.01 | blast007 | I mean, apparently he can read the menus now, since he could change the audio driver ;) |
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| 20:56.25 | Mets | ah, true :) |
| 20:56.41 | Mets | just wanted to know if he found out what was changing his config |
| 20:57.39 | KTL | trepan, |
| 20:57.44 | KTL | http://users.edpnet.be/dpf/bz/bzfi0791_640.png |
| 20:57.47 | KTL | http://users.edpnet.be/dpf/bz/bzfi0789_640.png |
| 20:57.50 | KTL | compare |
| 20:58.04 | KTL | managed to get a gradient line on it |
| 20:58.54 | KTL | the effect is small, only tried one gradient however |
| 20:59.09 | KTL | but i think i would miss it allready if it wasnt there |
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| 20:59.23 | KTL | still got to code it for pyrs too |
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| 21:26.57 | KTL | away, but the problem with adding a translucent face above another one : overlapping faces result in overlapping offset-planes result in darker regions |
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| 22:26.10 | trepan | KTL: what's the overlapping problem that you mentionned? darker? |
| 22:26.57 | trepan | KTL: could add polygonOffset as a material parameter for svn trunk; easier than merging the multitex stuff i did a while ago |
| 22:27.18 | trepan | but then you'd probably want blend mode control too ;-) |
| 22:28.02 | trepan | ... not worth the bother, just making the crap pile higher |
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| 22:32.14 | KTL | mmm ... |
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| 22:32.39 | KTL | crap pile yes |
| 22:33.07 | KTL | will the next version allow ... more graphical tricks? |
| 22:33.12 | KTL | (bump mapping?) |
| 22:33.29 | trepan | it did, but it was removed |
| 22:33.48 | KTL | i have that screenshot somewhere ... oh why oh why |
| 22:34.02 | KingRobot | "KTL: mmm ... crap pile" do I even want to know? :) |
| 22:34.15 | KTL | trepans words a few lines higher |
| 22:34.22 | KingRobot | :) |
| 22:35.13 | KTL | if that bump mapping was removed to keep the game available on other platforms too ... couldnt the bump mapping parts not simply be disabled at compile time? |
| 22:35.28 | KTL | disabled/avoided |
| 22:36.42 | KTL | (kingrobot, i can highly recommend you watching the movie "drag me to hell" :), you will never forget :D ) |
| 22:36.57 | trepan | KTL: that was not the reason |
| 22:37.07 | KTL | ? |
| 22:37.14 | KingRobot | KTL: My Father-in-law wants to see it too - I just might ;) |
| 22:37.43 | trepan | and i'm guessing that any ingenious tricks you'll mention (a la compile time ifdef), are already known to the devs ;-) |
| 22:38.07 | KTL | what are the main reasons? |
| 22:38.28 | trepan | it was too much for bz |
| 22:38.44 | KTL | too heavy for some graphics cards pffft argh |
| 22:38.55 | trepan | nope, not that kind of too much ;-) |
| 22:39.04 | KTL | too much to maintain? |
| 22:39.24 | trepan | nope, too good |
| 22:39.50 | KTL | looks up "reason" on wikipedia and some dictionaries |
| 22:40.16 | KTL | too good?? |
| 22:40.22 | trepan | yup |
| 22:40.29 | KTL | what is wrong with too good? |
| 22:41.21 | trepan | bzflag should be rewritten; all of its sub-systems are sub-standard ;) |
| 22:41.49 | KTL | but you got it working |
| 22:41.55 | KTL | in a hackish way probably |
| 22:42.03 | trepan | of course i did, and not so hackish |
| 22:42.09 | KTL | so |
| 22:42.49 | KTL | if it did work and still in a nice way ... |
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| 22:46.26 | trepan | hm, seems as though i've messed up the sky |
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| 23:42.54 | Mets | hmm, as much as it's nice seeing my name announced in the channel, I'm not sure if CIA needs to track when somebody edits their user page... |
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