IRC log for #bzflag on 20090515

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00:54.47CIA-60BZFlag: 0324.147.23.28 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5825 10/w/BZFlag_3.0: /* Fonts */
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03:05.37synicok, how does one get sound in Jaunty?
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03:29.37blast007synic: do you have the correct SDL package for your sound system?
03:30.08blast007(alsa, esd, oss, etc)
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04:54.02CIA-60BZFlag: 03Yassen 07http://my.bzflag.org * r5827 10/w/User_talk:Me1/Style_Merges:
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05:58.30Yassenwhat does the radial property of the physic driver do?
06:16.20blast007Yassen: I think it would be a spinning motion
06:16.48blast007like a carousel ;)
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06:23.51pommessorry if I'm #100 to ask - what happened to bzleague.com ?
06:24.06blast007domain expired, they are working on it
06:24.31blast007http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=14060
06:24.53pommesah ! there ! didn't find it :-)     thx
06:25.05Bambino_I was 1 seconds from pasting that same thing..
06:25.10blast007Bambino_: I win ;D
06:25.24Bambino_I was ctrl + V
06:25.28Bambino_look, dang...
06:30.58Yassenblast007, that's what angular does, but radial doesn't seem to do anything
06:31.15blast007Yassen: not sure then
06:31.35blast007ah, the BZW man page is quite clear
06:31.46blast007"radial" <float> 2dpoint  # NOT IMPLEMENTED
06:32.41Yassenah, I was wondering why there was nothing for radial in the client code ;)
06:52.28blast007synic: fwiw, sound works just fine for me.
06:53.06blast007I installed 9.04 on my laptop and installed bzflag from the package manager (after enabling the proprietary drives for my wifi and graphics, and installing any updates)
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16:29.58AAA_awrightblast007: If the list server filters callsigns, then utf8_clean_string isn't needed, only strtolower I believe
16:40.28JefferyMso did bzleague.com actualy get poached? or is it still in the renewable stage?
16:46.11BulletCatcherThe message at the top of http://www.bzleague.com/ suggests that it can still be renewed, but at this point it is hard to see who could do that, or how.
16:47.42JefferyMahh so it's parked
16:47.44JefferyMthat's good
16:47.49JefferyMmeno has to do it
16:47.56JefferyMit's parkede by his registrar
16:48.00JefferyMthat's good
16:48.09JefferyMtho he dosn't hav a huge amount of time
16:48.33BulletCatcherWell, we don't know how long the registrar will hold it.
16:49.24BulletCatcherAplus is here in San Diego county, if that is of any use.
16:49.56JefferyMthey have to thold it for 2 weeks IIRC
16:49.56JefferyMor something along those lines
16:50.18blast007AAA_awright: perhaps
16:50.23BulletCatcherIt expired 9 days ago.
16:50.52JefferyMsuposedly he is aware of the problem and resoling it
16:51.17JefferyMI was just curious how far into the expire process it got
16:53.50JefferyMgoes back to writing a store
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17:17.09brlcadit's a month iirc for most places
17:19.07JefferyMahh
17:20.07JefferyMbrlcad,any idea if sagonet is willing to work out deal matching with other hosting providers?
17:25.49brlcadJefferyM: i'm sure they'd consider it
17:26.12JefferyMwe are chewing up our CPU and ram, and there is another host that has a better deal with a similar rep
17:26.17brlcadI asked them for a specific discount on a server and they agreed to it
17:26.32JefferyMdual CPU opteron, 4 gigs of ram, 55$ a month
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17:30.16synichey, anyone know where the bzflag store is located?
17:30.38JefferyMstore.bzflag.bz
17:30.46JefferyMor do you mean physicaly?
17:30.47synicI mean, the physical location.
17:30.51brlcadnice deal
17:30.52JefferyMunder my desk
17:30.58JefferyMkicks the box
17:31.07synicOk... let me put it this way
17:31.16brlcadthe part lost in the $$ though is their support/reliability/infrastructure .. they might not care
17:31.20synicit says "Store Pickup" is free
17:31.25JefferyMyeah
17:31.28synicif I wanted that option, where would I drive?
17:31.32JefferyMthat means you have to have pizza with me :)
17:31.37synicdeal
17:31.41JefferyMmoorpark california
17:31.51synicthat's not anywhere near salt lake city
17:31.56JefferyMnope
17:32.22synicguess I won't be having pizza with you
17:32.33spldartTease
17:33.03JefferyMyeah Tim's the one that is Utah IIRC
17:33.28synicoh well, $4.95 isn't bad
17:33.42JefferyMthat reminds me, I have to raise the price
17:33.49synicclicks faster
17:34.18JefferyMoh I guess I don't
17:34.23JefferyMthe envelope hasn't gone up yet
17:36.53JefferyMI think I've only ever done 2 in store pickups
17:43.30JefferyMyay, I rememberd the bzflag paypal password :)
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17:46.34tobylanesomeone might come and whinge i 'misused' pollban, i actually half-jokingly tried to get rid of an excessive genoer
17:47.26JefferyMtell that to the server owner
17:48.09tobylanemeh, more of a rep defence than ban defence
17:48.32Bambino_tobylane: name?
17:49.29tobylaneille_ something italian
17:49.37tobylaneoh the ban was for doctor of doom
17:50.25JefferyMwow, first store order in 3 months :/
17:50.46tobylanelet me guess, XXL :P
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17:52.52JefferyMsmall
17:56.17tobylaneits an odd automatic thought
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18:26.56joevanohmm.. I can't get into my store account ;) hate to have Jeff get out the box for one shirt
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18:52.19synicJefferyM: I would like to report a bug in the shopping cart.
18:52.45synicJefferyM: wait, I dunno, maybe not a bug, but definitely confusing
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18:54.25synicnot exactly sure which address the package was shipped to, because one receipt says the address on my paypal account, and the other says the address I used on the site
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19:37.54JefferyMsynic, I generaly ship to the paypal verified adress
19:38.03JefferyMso it's not a store, it's me :)
19:38.17synicwelp, that's unfortunate
19:38.22synicsince I'm not sure who lives there
19:38.43JefferyMthen why the heck is it your paypal verfied address?
19:38.52JefferyMlet me see if its' left the building yet
19:38.55synicnever bothered to change it
19:39.17synicmostly it's because I'm a moron
19:39.57JefferyMindeed
19:40.27JefferyMmost stores won't ship to a third party address
19:40.50synicwell, there's a place to fill out your shipping address on the cart, I figured that'd be good enough
19:41.37JefferyMso you are ok if someone gets ahold of your paypal and ships stuff anywhere?
19:42.29synicI suppose I'm not :P
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19:45.00JefferyMtechincaly we are not liable for it ether, paypal only offeres buyer protection if we ship to the certified address
19:45.02JefferyMbut I've fixed it
19:45.13JefferyMyou should get a new shipping email shortly
19:46.30JefferyMhad to use 3 labels tho :(
19:47.09JefferyMI recomend you update your address in paypal
19:49.21synicwill do
19:49.22synicthanks :)
19:49.52Cygalwill order his bzflag shirt when Google will have issued the first payment
19:50.19JefferyMyou get a free one Cygal
19:50.28Cygaloh
19:50.31synicit'll be great.  The shirt will spark all kinds of geeky conversations.
19:50.33JefferyMI'm sending the students free ones when it's over ;)
19:50.48JefferyMgotta get rid of the brown ones somehow :)
19:50.55Cygal:)
19:52.55JefferyMhas no clue what to do with the 630$ bzflag has in it's paypal
19:53.21JefferyMwell 635 once we we get synic's first shipping label returned
19:55.24JefferyMthinks brlcad should set up an org so that bzflag can have a bank account
19:55.57Cygalyou recieve 500 dollars per student every year?
19:56.40JefferyMyeah
19:56.49JefferyMwe have like 2000$ from last year still
19:56.53JefferyMor something like that
19:57.16JefferyMwe'll get another 1500 this year
19:57.22JefferyMso we really need a place to keep it
19:57.41Cygalthat would be enough to pay a developer to work on bzflag as a job for a few months
19:57.57JefferyMmaybe one or 2
19:58.09JefferyMbut for that we'd need management to make sure they had enough to do
19:58.19JefferyMone or two months, not developers :)
19:58.42Cygal:)
19:58.52JefferyMand even then we'd REALY need to have an org to handle the tax stuff, because we'd be an employer
19:59.16JefferyMif we can get setup as a non profit org, we don't have to pay taxes on the google money
19:59.23JefferyMright now we loose over 30% in taxes
19:59.31JefferyMsince it's treated as personal income
20:01.47me1?? http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=14065&view=unread#unread
20:02.15JefferyMthought he deleted that
20:02.33Cygalglobulation2 paid a developer for six months for about 2500 euros http://cofundos.org/project.php?id=49
20:03.09JefferyMthat's a very good price
20:04.51JefferyMemploying people in other countries has it's own challenges
20:06.49JefferyMbut yes all is possible if we get an org together
20:10.02BulletCatcherBulletCatcher Bank offers numbered accounts.  Checking the records, I see that BZFlag would get account #1.
20:10.11Cygal:p
20:10.22JefferyMheh
20:10.52BulletCatchercredits an old Reader's Digest joke for that one
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