| 00:00.12 | JefferyM | temp_dist, that is not a feature we support |
| 00:00.17 | JefferyM | we show all users to everyone |
| 00:00.30 | temp_dist | ok thx |
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| 00:14.05 | sos | wow my first time here |
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| 01:04.06 | trepan | hm, would be nice to kill off the distributed dimming code |
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| 01:12.13 | trepan | at a minimum, fogHack goes to the gallows |
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| 02:14.43 | trepan | anyone know why the 'delete radar' code in playing.cxx is commented out? |
| 02:18.08 | trepan | heh, because it's sitting on the startPlaying() stack |
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| 03:13.36 | Ebert | is there a way to confine the mouse cursor in OSX when using 2 screens? |
| 03:19.10 | TJ13820 | In options - imput settings - confine mouse |
| 03:19.12 | TJ13820 | try that |
| 03:19.59 | trepan | looks like it might be dangerous though ;-) |
| 03:20.59 | Ebert | that doesnt work |
| 03:21.48 | Quol | confine mouse is just when the game is played within a window I think |
| 03:22.14 | trepan | can you use a fullscreen window? |
| 03:22.43 | trepan | (that's how i run most of my GL apps in linux) |
| 03:28.02 | Ebert | oh lemme try |
| 03:29.07 | brlcad | you have to manually size the window |
| 03:29.28 | brlcad | the fullscreen cocoa event was never implemented |
| 03:30.14 | Quol | is that really brlcad? could it be? :) |
| 03:30.20 | brlcad | nope! |
| 03:30.25 | brlcad | smoke and mirrors |
| 03:30.40 | Quol | been a little while again my ol' pal..how are ya? |
| 03:30.44 | Ebert | yes, it kinda works |
| 03:30.53 | brlcad | doing great, Quol |
| 03:30.57 | Ebert | but the mouse is still going out some when confined |
| 03:31.22 | brlcad | moved out, moved around, got a house, spending spree to fill the house, got a new car, generally living it up |
| 03:31.34 | Quol | wow - congrats... |
| 03:31.38 | Quol | glad to hear it |
| 03:31.49 | Ebert | making the "expose" thing shoot my windows around |
| 03:31.54 | Ebert | turns off expose |
| 03:35.38 | Ebert | ugh, looks like i'll have to put it into window and resize every time i play |
| 03:36.08 | Ebert | trepan do you really resize the window everytime you turn on the client? |
| 03:36.23 | trepan | no, "windowed" fullscreen |
| 03:36.32 | trepan | aka: fullscreen without F1 |
| 03:36.39 | trepan | let's me switch virtual screen and such |
| 03:36.42 | trepan | *lets |
| 03:37.34 | Ebert | without f1, i dont get it |
| 03:38.22 | trepan | i use icewm, that window manager let's you have fullscreen windows that don't grab the switch modes |
| 03:38.29 | Ebert | oh ok |
| 03:38.42 | trepan | many other do as well |
| 03:38.44 | Ebert | doesnt translate to mac, its always starting with a small window |
| 03:39.00 | trepan | -geometry ? |
| 03:39.52 | Ebert | can i set that in the config file, so it always uses that window geometry? |
| 03:40.38 | trepan | bz will use the last geometry that closed with (iirc) |
| 03:41.10 | trepan | *that it |
| 03:41.50 | Ebert | no, not mine |
| 03:42.19 | Ebert | it always starts fullscreen, then into a little window |
| 03:42.37 | Ebert | when i make it windowed of course |
| 03:42.48 | trepan | i also have 'set __window 1' |
| 03:48.16 | Ebert | haha i have 57mb of accidental screenshots |
| 03:48.24 | Ebert | must be an f5-er |
| 03:53.47 | trepan | brlcad: going with glPushAttrib() for state management |
| 03:53.57 | trepan | turns out that it's simpler and faster (afaict) |
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| 04:08.41 | brlcad | trepan: interesting .. though we do use glPushAttrib() in several places as it is too |
| 04:09.28 | brlcad | ftgl uses it pretty consistently, but also the background renderer for scissoring |
| 04:09.36 | brlcad | and a few of the scene nodes iirc |
| 04:10.26 | trepan | the big difference here is the amount of state that needs tracking |
| 04:10.49 | trepan | ie: all of it, all texture unit matrices, all light states, etc... |
| 04:14.40 | trepan | it ends up being a lot of gl calls |
| 04:19.08 | brlcad | heh, "good luck with that" |
| 04:19.55 | trepan | might implement a "safe mode" that double-pumps glPushAttrib to manage states that bz doesn't care about (instead of call a reset state display list between EventHandler "Draw" clients, execute the attrib stack until only the original one is left, and then push that) |
| 04:35.38 | bryjen | shot lighting looks nicer. donno if that's recent or something that changed while i wasn't paying attention |
| 04:36.19 | trepan | my server's world is rendered by a lua script (all obstacles) |
| 04:37.48 | trepan | or are you talking about the default engine lighting? :) |
| 04:41.13 | bryjen | probly doesn't know what he's talking about |
| 04:48.46 | trepan | if it looks like this: http://trepan.bzflag.bz/bzrelief.jpg , it's being rendered by a lua script sent to you by the server (aka: LuaWorld) |
| 04:51.11 | bryjen | err, not quite ;) |
| 04:51.26 | trepan | screenshot? |
| 04:56.28 | bryjen | slowly they upload... |
| 04:59.21 | bryjen | http://bryjen.bzflag.net/luashot1.png thru 4.png |
| 05:00.52 | trepan | you've got relief mapping ... looks ok (anisotropic level?) |
| 05:01.05 | trepan | probably look better in daylight as well |
| 05:01.38 | trepan | probably switching from relief mapping to POM or some other variant |
| 05:02.04 | trepan | the raytrace aliasing in the screetshots bugs me ;-) |
| 05:03.30 | bryjen | anisotropic shows as Off in my options menu |
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| 05:50.01 | blast007 | bryjen: if you turn up the Shot Length in the Effects Settings menu, you'll get a different shot style |
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| 17:29.17 | trepan | and for my next trick, vertex arrays and VBOs ... let's you load large meshes quickly (instead of using way too many gl.Vertex() lua/C++ calls) |
| 17:31.14 | trepan | VBOs are also the path to bindable uniforms, TBOs, and transform feedback :) |
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| 18:36.33 | ts | BulletCatcher: ping |
| 18:42.53 | BulletCatcher | ts: pong |
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| 18:48.37 | ts | Arg, connection got interrupted.. |
| 18:49.39 | ts | BulletCatcher: I am thinking configure needs to search the SDKs Xcode ships to avoid the XTranslateCoordinates problem. |
| 18:50.33 | ts | BulletCatcher: Do you agree? |
| 18:51.55 | BulletCatcher | Yes. I haven't looked into the best way to do it, though. |
| 18:53.01 | ts | I'm a bit confused regarding how to do it. My initial approach was just to #include <X11/Xlib.h> but that failed. Obviously it's not in $PATH :( |
| 18:54.24 | BulletCatcher | To start, look at the differences in environment variables when running in Terminal and xterm. PATH may be important. |
| 18:54.45 | BulletCatcher | If so, configure can just add /usr/bin/X11 (or whatever) to its path on Mac OS. |
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| 19:05.41 | ts | Umm, the path is /Developer/SDKs/MaOSX10.5.sdk/usr/X11/include/X11/ in case you're not a Mac OS X user. |
| 19:06.42 | BulletCatcher | There ought to be a shorter path under /usr that is a symbolic link to that path. |
| 19:08.05 | ts | Aaarg, that darn Spotlight search engine..I just looked at /usr/X11/include/X11/ and there is the same stuff but not found when I search for it. :/ |
| 19:12.49 | BulletCatcher | The paths are different on MacOS 10.4, but if you can find a solution for 10.5 it shouldn't be too hard to make it work for 10.4 too. |
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| 19:17.07 | ts | BulletCatcher: Hrm, I don't think I can do that. :( |
| 19:18.01 | BulletCatcher | You can't find a solution to the problem? |
| 19:18.44 | ts | I'm not familar with make and automake. |
| 19:20.19 | BulletCatcher | Then you'll have to wait for someone else (not necessarily me) to fix it. In the meantime it should work if you build from xterm rather than Terminal. |
| 19:20.39 | BulletCatcher | I will have little free time for the next two weeks. |
| 19:21.09 | ruskie | /Developer/SDKs/MaOSX10.5.sdk/usr/X11/include/X11/ <-- then X11/Xlib.h isn't proper include |
| 19:21.15 | ts | I've a workaround in that file that I will not commit (hacking around) |
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| 19:22.03 | BulletCatcher | pastebin a diff of the hack and I'll take aquick look. |
| 19:22.07 | ts | ruskie: That was my mistake, there is also a copy at /usr/X11/include/X11/ |
| 19:22.16 | ts | Heh, it's evil |
| 19:22.40 | BulletCatcher | That's okay. I just want to get an idea of what the solution could be. |
| 19:23.55 | ts | BulletCatcher: I've changed to part until SDL_VIDEO_DRIVER_X11 at http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m3ea3c1d3 |
| 19:25.33 | ts | I gotta go and eat something, bye |
| 19:25.48 | BulletCatcher | I'll be leaving for work shortly myself. |
| 19:26.13 | BulletCatcher | Feel free to post anything else you find, and I'll read it later. |
| 19:32.26 | BulletCatcher | Your "hack" to SDLWindow.cxx might actually be the best thing to do. |
| 19:33.57 | BulletCatcher | leaves for work |
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| 20:18.10 | Manu | brlcad: how about GSoC 2009? :) Leslie says will be less organizations due the crisis |
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| 23:27.29 | Happy_Alice | what is the purpose of the useDrawinfo in the MeshObstacle class ? |
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| 23:55.24 | Happy_Alice | temp_dist: ping |
| 23:55.44 | temp_dist | Happy_Alice: oh hey! |
| 23:56.18 | Happy_Alice | i have a question |
| 23:56.24 | temp_dist | alrighty |
| 23:56.31 | Happy_Alice |  what is the purpose of the useDrawinfo in the MeshObstacle class ? |
| 23:57.05 | temp_dist | delusional would know that |
