| 00:01.35 | pacman87 | blast007: thanks for the info |
| 00:02.13 | pacman87 | also, if you're planning on adding that info to the windows readme, the link there is broken, too |
| 00:09.59 | blast007 | nope, not planning on adding it to the 2.0.x SVN |
| 00:10.07 | blast007 | the link in trunk works |
| 00:10.21 | blast007 | though I'm wondering it that's still accurate |
| 00:10.22 | blast007 | (the version) |
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| 00:26.13 | JefferyM | leeguy92, it's sent in bin form, the client has no map parser |
| 00:26.48 | JefferyM | it's sent as a binary blob that is read into the world classes. |
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| 00:38.21 | TimRiker | http://bugs.debian.org/510856 - what is the torBlock plugin? |
| 00:38.58 | JefferyM | it blocks connections from tor exit nodes |
| 00:39.14 | delusional | which spammers were using. |
| 00:39.16 | JefferyM | so the bug is that the plugin.. works? |
| 00:39.20 | TimRiker | tor? |
| 00:39.23 | Thumper_ | heh |
| 00:39.29 | JefferyM | it's an anonminizer |
| 00:39.45 | TimRiker | ah... |
| 00:40.04 | JefferyM | a server that wants to block tor, should not run tor ;) |
| 00:40.16 | JefferyM | the bug dosn't make sense |
| 00:40.19 | TimRiker | so how can the reported disable the tor plugin on his spam accepting server? |
| 00:40.26 | TimRiker | er reporter... |
| 00:40.40 | JefferyM | the plugin gets the list of exit nodes from the tor site |
| 00:40.42 | JefferyM | and blocks them |
| 00:40.53 | JefferyM | if they are getting blocked, then they are on the exit node list |
| 00:40.58 | JefferyM | that's WHAT it does |
| 00:41.07 | TimRiker | should it be enabled by default? and how does one enable/disable it? |
| 00:41.09 | JefferyM | sound slike someone just dosn't like the plugin |
| 00:41.15 | JefferyM | it's a plugin, you have to load it |
| 00:41.21 | TimRiker | k. |
| 00:41.22 | JefferyM | no plugins are on by default |
| 00:41.35 | JefferyM | does that come from a credible source? |
| 00:41.39 | TimRiker | I'll reply with some "it hurts when I do this" comment. |
| 00:42.00 | TimRiker | silverflower.cornefelde@indiatimes.com - whoever that is. |
| 00:42.06 | JefferyM | if the reporter is using tor, and complaining that they are getting blocked on servers that happen to run torblock, then .. well yeah |
| 00:42.37 | JefferyM | if the reporter is a server owner that is runnign tor block and is complaining that we are blocking tor users... well... yeah |
| 00:43.04 | JefferyM | I can't see how the plugin has any undesired effects, since it is basicly an auto updating ban list that comes from a site. |
| 00:43.34 | delusional | they get 1500ms lag minimum, anyway, usually over 2000 |
| 00:43.46 | JefferyM | basicly tor is an anon system that is suposed to be used for people like pollitical disodents... it's NOT something that people should be playing on |
| 00:44.03 | JefferyM | he may be saying that he's not using tor, but his IP is one of the exit nodes |
| 00:44.22 | JefferyM | because he runs tor, but didn't send bzflag thru it (due to the aformentioned lag) |
| 00:44.32 | delusional | it is also possible that the list we use is incorrect or out of date. |
| 00:44.35 | JefferyM | in that case there isn't anything we can do because they are part of the problem :) |
| 00:44.41 | JefferyM | the list is auto generated |
| 00:44.47 | JefferyM | and should be correct |
| 00:44.58 | JefferyM | but then still, it's up to the server owner to choose that they want to run it |
| 00:45.02 | JefferyM | it's not a default anything |
| 00:45.07 | JefferyM | nor is it a bug |
| 00:45.20 | TimRiker | nods |
| 00:46.18 | JefferyM | while I understand what tor is saying they are trying to do, they damned well know they are creating a platform that is 90% used for various abbuses of other network services and/or IP laws |
| 00:50.09 | TimRiker | nods |
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| 01:15.43 | joevano | yeah, the same guy was crying on the Wiki about it |
| 01:16.02 | joevano | was saying he shouldn't be penalized for running a tor server |
| 01:16.33 | joevano | i gave him our standard line, and he must not have liked it |
| 01:20.08 | TD-Linux | running a tor server? not connecting through it? |
| 01:20.28 | blast007 | probably |
| 01:20.48 | TD-Linux | I suppose torblock can't tell the difference |
| 01:20.53 | blast007 | the plugin doesn't treat running through tor or just having an exit node on the same machine any differently |
| 01:21.05 | blast007 | it's probably possible to check, but not worth our time |
| 01:21.20 | blast007 | if that guy want to fix it, he's welcome to ;) |
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| 01:21.56 | Winny | hehe |
| 01:22.49 | Winny | I don't quite understand how he thinks that's a bug |
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| 02:00.07 | delusional | Oh, I talked to that guy.... me: your going to have to improve your lag .... him: this is the best connection i got.... me: where you from?.... him: india..... me: /ban |
| 02:00.22 | Winny | heh |
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| 02:36.40 | TD-Linux | delusional: what do you have against indians? |
| 02:36.57 | delusional | 450 lag |
| 02:37.06 | TD-Linux | I see |
| 02:37.43 | blast007 | I had someone playing through their cellular phone/modem... that was *bad* lag |
| 02:38.53 | delusional | or sattelite internet |
| 02:38.55 | blast007 | I also recall someone once having 8 seconds of lag, but they didn't look laggy |
| 02:39.07 | blast007 | it was just like their position was 8 seconds behind |
| 02:42.35 | TD-Linux | no lag prediction would do it |
| 02:44.49 | blast007 | but normally at that amount of lag there would be packet loss and jitter. There wasn't. ;) just lag |
| 02:46.32 | blast007 | (that's why we are more strict about changes now.. so we don't have stuff like that happen) |
| 02:46.45 | blast007 | ww |
| 03:06.14 | delusional | hmm, I have faces that are reported as non-planar under 2.0.10, but 2.99 does not report them |
| 03:07.33 | trepan | auto-triangulated? |
| 03:09.47 | delusional | I do tesselate when I export from wings. |
| 03:10.05 | trepan | all triangles are planes |
| 03:10.10 | trepan | which tesselation? |
| 03:10.18 | trepan | quads ... ? |
| 03:10.29 | delusional | 3 |
| 03:11.01 | trepan | than you should get non-planar warnings in 2.0.10 |
| 03:11.06 | trepan | *should not get |
| 03:11.28 | trepan | are you sure that all of your faces are triangles, and no more ? |
| 03:11.42 | trepan | check the debug messages from 2.0.10, maybe it was buggy and someone fixed it |
| 03:12.01 | trepan | (... check the messages to look at the specific faces) |
| 03:13.16 | delusional | not right now... I was about to load plugins in 2.99 for the first time. |
| 03:16.28 | me1 | be careful not to rupture space-time! |
| 03:17.54 | delusional | I already have my 2.99 mountain textures displaying in 2.0.10, from running them both at the same time. |
| 03:18.38 | me1 | the textures are as simple as moving them from the data folder. It seems with mountian textures, you can have mountian1-alot, and it'll just place them in order |
| 03:21.07 | delusional | heh, the dyncol change results in a genetically engineered deer with 24 legs. |
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| 12:58.11 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/lua_multitex.jpg -- was testing world replication, added 3 lines ;-) |
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| 14:20.08 | ashvala | ello |
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| 16:07.25 | trepan | adding a bzflag -devlua option, allows you to load LuaWorld from a local directory (coupled with the '/luaworld reload' command, makes for fast dev'ing) |
| 16:08.11 | trepan | it also does two other things, will only allow you to join 'localhost' servers, and changes the callsign to 'devlua' |
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| 16:27.32 | leeguy92 | has any work gone into a more exotic AI system for the upcoming bzflag? im thinking real-time machine learning/neural networks. |
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| 17:06.54 | kierra | blast007: ping |
| 17:13.53 | brad | relay.cpp:315: error: 'class bz_PlayerRecord' has no member named 'jitter' |
| 17:13.54 | brad | relay.cpp:315: error: 'class bz_PlayerRecord' has no member named 'packetloss' |
| 17:14.02 | brad | are they not in 2.0 ? |
| 17:17.00 | BulletCatcher | Use bz_PlayerRecord::bz_getPlayerLag() and bz_PlayerRecord::bz_getPlayerPacketloss(). |
| 17:17.38 | brad | is there bz_getPlayerJitter() too? |
| 17:17.58 | BulletCatcher | Yes. I mis-cut-and-pasted. |
| 17:18.10 | brad | thanks BulletCatcher :) |
| 17:18.19 | BulletCatcher | np |
| 17:18.41 | brad | hmm, what about teamkills? |
| 17:19.53 | BulletCatcher | bz_PlayerRecord::teamKills is a public int. You can see all of this for yourself in bzfsAPI.h . |
| 17:20.23 | brad | relay.cpp:316: error: 'class bz_PlayerRecord' has no member named 'teamkills' |
| 17:20.34 | brad | not in my version? |
| 17:21.07 | brad | ahh, wiki shows a bz_getPlayerTKs function |
| 17:21.42 | BulletCatcher | capital K in teamKills |
| 17:23.39 | brad | ahh, oops :( |
| 17:23.42 | brad | thanks! |
| 17:29.32 | kierra | dont monitor my tk record, brad |
| 17:30.50 | brlcad | wonders who would be logging in as trepan and jeffm2501 from the same ip.. |
| 17:34.50 | blast007 | kierra: pong |
| 17:36.08 | kierra | blast007: brlcad helped me first, but thank you |
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| 17:43.46 | blast007 | k |
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| 19:12.04 | spldart | what normally causes "BZFlag client .....: no bzflag client binary! (need OpenGL)" again? |
| 19:12.53 | spldart | using latest non-free nvidia source built with m-a. Have covered the bases listed in README.Linux |
| 19:13.19 | blast007 | do you have G++ installed? |
| 19:13.37 | blast007 | (try running g++ on the terminal) |
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| 19:13.53 | spldart | ah |
| 19:13.57 | spldart | that's prolly it |
| 19:14.10 | spldart | I knew there was a common cause for that. |
| 19:14.11 | spldart | hehe |
| 19:14.20 | blast007 | :) |
| 19:15.08 | spldart | grr.. not it |
| 19:15.17 | spldart | $g++: no input files |
| 19:15.21 | blast007 | read the config.log then |
| 19:15.29 | spldart | oki doke |
| 19:15.51 | blast007 | or upload it somewhere and I can look for anything obvious |
| 19:17.58 | spldart | "g++: OpenGL: No such file or directory" That looks bad |
| 19:18.50 | blast007 | that's for OSX, iirc |
| 19:19.12 | blast007 | which should fail on linux |
| 19:19.26 | blast007 | linux has the headers in a directory called GL |
| 19:19.58 | spldart | Well.. It says Opengl does not seem to be fully available.. so still hunting |
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| 19:41.13 | MindstormsKid | WOAH |
| 19:41.21 | MindstormsKid | What happened to the forum?? |
| 19:41.33 | JeffM | it changed |
| 19:41.51 | MindstormsKid | Looks good, except it seems too skinny. |
| 19:52.35 | brlcad | ~blast007++ |
| 19:52.52 | brlcad | (for suggesting client-side filtering) |
| 19:53.33 | blast007 | :) |
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| 20:01.37 | SpazzyMcGee | I was going to suggest it - but I couldn't remember if it existed or not. I thought it might have been suggested as a new feature, and I would look stupid for pointing out a nonexistent feature :p |
| 20:02.24 | joevano | SpazzyMcGee: looking stupid hasn't stopped many before, including me :P |
| 20:03.41 | temp_work | there is a wiki page for client-side filtering |
| 20:05.06 | SpazzyMcGee | I was too lazy to bother searching for it :p |
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| 20:20.21 | brad | ~catay++ |
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| 20:29.38 | brlcad | I really should have added the menu option for editing the filter list -- then it's be used a whole lot more.. |
| 20:30.41 | brlcad | but by then, I was sick of doing anything more that involved looking at swear word lists |
| 20:31.01 | SportChick | tackle-steals brlcad |
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| 20:58.32 | CIA-64 | BZFlag: 03catay * r19146 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/mapchange/mapchange.cpp: - Fixes some minor typo's in the plugin's usage text. |
| 20:58.38 | brad | ~catay++ |
| 20:58.43 | brad | heh |
| 20:59.10 | MindstormsKid | brad: Feeling good today? :O |
| 20:59.25 | brad | very! |
| 20:59.37 | brad | continues the PM with himself |
| 20:59.38 | catay | clearly not, he is so excited about his new plugin :P |
| 20:59.49 | MindstormsKid | Oh wait, I confused you with brlcad :P |
| 21:00.07 | brad | :) |
| 21:01.34 | brlcad | MindstormsKid: actually I have a cold today apparently, but otherwise feeling fine |
| 21:06.10 | catay | to double check : the word 'paramaters' should be 'parameters' , correct? |
| 21:07.00 | brlcad | ~spell paramaters |
| 21:07.30 | catay | ooh |
| 21:08.10 | catay | did not know it was correct english , thanks |
| 21:08.59 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/luabzgndfog.jpg -- ground fog, at no fps cost ;-) |
| 21:09.00 | catay | hm, or wait ,it isn't when you mean 'parameters |
| 21:09.05 | brad | it isn't catay :p |
| 21:09.28 | brad | that looks nice trepan |
| 21:09.54 | brad | like...graveyard fog |
| 21:10.09 | Winny | trepan: whoa |
| 21:25.17 | SpazzyMcGee | trepan: wow, that's amazing |
| 21:25.42 | SpazzyMcGee | You did that with lua? |
| 21:29.42 | me1 | wonders, how do you get to CGI IRC, if the link isn't on the forums anymore, is there another place where it is? |
| 21:30.15 | JeffM | me1: you pull a leg |
| 21:32.21 | SpazzyMcGee | that was a very spontaneous noob bashing |
| 21:32.39 | JeffM | that's not a real user |
| 21:33.10 | brad | me1: http://my.bzflag.org/irc/ :o |
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| 21:36.39 | trepan | SpazzyMcGee: yup |
| 21:37.49 | trepan | lua + GLSL frag shader + 24-bit depth texture + screen copy |
| 21:38.59 | SpazzyMcGee | cool |
| 21:39.18 | trepan | once committed, LuaWorld will let ya do all kinds on neat stuff |
| 21:39.49 | trepan | networked in-game map editor, custom uploaded tanks and texture, pacman rendering ... :) |
| 21:39.57 | Winny | wow |
| 21:40.04 | trepan | pretty much draw anything you want, if you've got the skills |
| 21:40.24 | trepan | but ... you'll need to provide fallbacks for those without the juice to run the cool stuffs |
| 21:41.20 | MindstormsKid | In-game map editor? :O |
| 21:41.45 | trepan | yup, i added support for that just before stopping the work on the Spring lua |
| 21:41.57 | trepan | (GL select buffer) |
| 21:42.36 | trepan | but keep in mind that it's all visual |
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| 21:45.16 | trepan | and as a bonus, the code is very similar to Spring's ... so yall can gank stuff from them |
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| 23:02.11 | brad | is there a reason for packetLoss using a float and not an int? |
| 23:02.38 | brad | haven't ever seen a decimal value |
| 23:02.41 | brad | 2.000000% |
| 23:06.03 | JeffM | just because you haven't seen it dosn't mean it dosn't exist ;) |
| 23:06.18 | brad | true, true |
| 23:06.21 | brad | but does it? :) |
| 23:06.47 | JeffM | sure |
| 23:06.49 | JeffM | it's math |
| 23:06.51 | brad | values in the client don't show as floats |
| 23:06.56 | JeffM | that's just formating |
| 23:07.00 | brad | oh |
| 23:07.00 | JeffM | that dosn't mean that it can't be |
| 23:07.11 | JeffM | divide the packets sent, but the packets reveived |
| 23:07.20 | JeffM | that WILL give you a decimal :) |
| 23:07.36 | brad | ok..i'll take your word for it :P |
| 23:07.37 | brad | thx |
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