IRC log for #bzflag on 20081231

`00:00.10`	`me1`	`you can probably get pillbox using /saveworld`
`00:05.07`	`hobbsc`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:13.43`	`*** join/#bzflag me1_ (n=khazhy@bzflag/player/Me1)`
`00:23.11`	`hobbsc`	`is there some lag in the callsign identification? earlier today i was able to play just fine, but i changed my password about an hour ago and now i can't log into any servers, they all kick me`
`00:23.30`	`JefferyM`	`should not be`
`00:23.37`	`JefferyM`	`do you get a valid token back?`
`00:23.40`	`hobbsc`	`nope`
`00:23.51`	`hobbsc`	`feh, probably PEBCAK`
`00:24.04`	`JefferyM`	`if you don't get a valid token, then it's you`
`00:26.06`	`Winny`	`whoa`
`00:26.08`	`Winny`	`theme change`
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`00:30.03`	`hobbsc`	`yeah, i must've fat fingered something. i just changed it again and it works just peachy`
`00:38.24`	`*** join/#bzflag sentosa (n=41c5f27f@static-ip-62-75-165-247.inaddr.intergenia.de)`
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`00:57.24`	`Winny`	`I like the new header on the forum ;)`
`01:02.21`	`JefferyM`	`thinks that's enough crypto for one day`
`01:08.18`	`jftsang`	`Hi`
`01:08.28`	`jftsang`	`What are the bugfixes in 2.0.12?`
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`01:20.41`	`blast007`	`jftsang: I think the main stuff was just linux build system issues`
`01:20.51`	`blast007`	`I don't know of any real changes that were put into it`
`01:21.01`	`BulletCatcher`	`See the ChangeLog file for more details.`
`01:21.02`	`blast007`	`run a svn diff between 2.0.10 and 2.0.12 ;)`
`01:21.15`	`spldart`	`:)`
`01:21.50`	`blast007`	`ah, guess there was some actual changes made`
`01:22.30`	`blast007`	`a good chunk are build system stuff though`
`01:22.30`	`BulletCatcher`	`Yes, but nothing that will really affect a non-admin player.`
`01:22.38`	`jftsang`	`ok`
`01:22.45`	`jftsang`	`What about server owner?`
`01:23.24`	`blast007`	`I run the latest stable SVN typically (2.0.13 at this point)`
`01:23.58`	`blast007`	`for a server owner, 2.0.10 is probably just fine`
`01:24.16`	`BulletCatcher`	`Even server owners won't see a significant difference between 2.0.10 and 2.0.12.`
`01:24.22`	`blast007`	`but again, diff the code if you want to see all the changes`
`01:25.50`	`BulletCatcher`	`For most players, the "queue spawns after flag captures" change may be the most noticeable. (It used to blow you up if you respawned too soon.)`
`01:26.42`	`BulletCatcher`	`I think that still needs to be added to 2.99.`
`01:45.08`	`SoundlessChaos`	`is no longer away : Gone for 2 hours 32 minutes 41 seconds`
`01:49.07`	`*** part/#bzflag jftsang (n=jftsang@bzflag/player/JFTsang)`
`01:52.53`	`SoundlessChaos`	`damnit...proximitymine still aint working...`
`01:53.00`	`SoundlessChaos`	`and ive changed the localtion of the .dll`
`01:53.08`	`blast007`	`SoundlessChaos: it was probably built for another version of bzfs`
`01:53.14`	`blast007`	`what error do you get when you try to load it?`
`01:53.28`	`blast007`	`(if you don't see one, increase the debug level until you do)`
`01:53.29`	`SoundlessChaos`	`unable to find it it says`
`01:53.33`	`SoundlessChaos`	`says it could not be loaded`
`01:53.40`	`blast007`	`increase the debug level further`
`01:53.45`	`blast007`	`put it to level 4 for this`
`01:53.47`	`SoundlessChaos`	`its at 3 now.`
`01:53.50`	`SoundlessChaos`	`kk`
`01:53.52`	`SoundlessChaos`	`let me do that.`
`01:54.10`	`blast007`	`might want to do a minimal config too`
`01:54.23`	`blast007`	`bzfs -dddd -loadplugin proximitymine.dll`
`01:56.40`	`SoundlessChaos`	`k did the dddd`
`01:57.29`	`SoundlessChaos`	`just see a whole bunch of QPC frequency things`
`01:57.33`	`SoundlessChaos`	`and sumthibg bout a monkey.`
`01:59.42`	`AAA_awright`	`I get an error loading a a clean checkout of trunk into MSVC 2008 Express, bzfscron.vc8.vcproj is missing`
`02:02.09`	`SoundlessChaos`	`grrr damnit i want proximity mine to work.. this is bull.. works for like 6 other ppl but not me..`
`02:02.14`	`SoundlessChaos`	`and im doing everything correctly`
`02:03.23`	`AAA_awright`	`SoundlessChaos: Don't get so frustrated!`
`02:03.35`	`AAA_awright`	`Pastebin the output`
`02:03.45`	`SoundlessChaos`	`ive been trying to get this thing and the relay plugin to work since last night`
`02:03.55`	`SoundlessChaos`	`i dk how to copy and paste in command line..`
`02:04.46`	`me1`	`SoundlessChaos, run bzfs again, with > log.txt at the end`
`02:05.06`	`SoundlessChaos`	`this is insane.. the only plugin that works is theif kills`
`02:05.07`	`me1`	`then copy and paste from log.txt, which should be either where bzfs.exe is, or the directory you ran the command from`
`02:05.30`	`SoundlessChaos`	`kk so wait.. how do i do the log.txt..`
`02:05.37`	`SoundlessChaos`	`cuz im running froma shortcut.`
`02:05.54`	`me1`	`edit the shortcut, and put > log.txt at the end`
`02:05.55`	`AAA_awright`	`SoundlessChaos: What operating system?`
`02:06.03`	`SoundlessChaos`	`windows`
`02:06.18`	`AAA_awright`	`Usually you can right click and see the shortcut for whatever copy is`
`02:06.23`	`SoundlessChaos`	`put log.txt with the > orrr just log.txt`
`02:06.32`	`me1`	`put "> log.txt"`
`02:07.03`	`AAA_awright`	`In Windoes I think you have to press "Select" and then "Copy" or something equally stupid`
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`02:07.28`	`me1`	`AAA_awright, he's running from a shortcut, so the window closes as soon as it ends`
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`02:08.15`	`SoundlessChaos`	`no no it doesnt close.`
`02:08.22`	`SoundlessChaos`	`i can see it the server still runs.`
`02:08.26`	`SoundlessChaos`	`just the plugin does not`
`02:08.38`	`SoundlessChaos`	`where as the other plugin does`
`02:08.51`	`AAA_awright`	`You type /listplugins and it shows up?`
`02:08.52`	`me1`	`ahh, yes, the plugin errors, not hte server, islly me`
`02:10.06`	`AAA_awright`	`JeffM2501: I get an error loading a a clean checkout of trunk into MSVC 2008 Express, bzfscron.vc8.vcproj is missing. BZFlag still builds. (that particular plugin doesn't I assume)`
`02:10.09`	`me1`	`hrm, > log.txt won't work in shortcut :\`
`02:10.22`	`AAA_awright`	`me1: Nope, it is a cmd/bash/whatever feature...`
`02:10.27`	`me1`	`yeah`
`02:10.34`	`JeffM2501`	`AAA_awright: fun`
`02:10.45`	`AAA_awright`	`idk who can fix that`
`02:11.00`	`SoundlessChaos`	`lol you cant type /plugins in command line`
`02:11.06`	`SoundlessChaos`	`its not mac.. nor linux`
`02:11.16`	`me1`	`SoundlessChaos, in game`
`02:11.25`	`SoundlessChaos`	`oh let me do that.`
`02:11.35`	`JeffM2501`	`checks the care-o-meter`
`02:11.59`	`AAA_awright`	`SoundlessChaos: Connect to the server with BZFlag and type /listplugins >_<`
`02:12.03`	`SoundlessChaos`	`only one plugin shows`
`02:12.15`	`SoundlessChaos`	`the one that always works`
`02:12.19`	`SoundlessChaos`	`and thats the theifkills`
`02:12.37`	`AAA_awright`	`Could they be conflicting?`
`02:12.45`	`SoundlessChaos`	`i tried that.`
`02:12.47`	`JeffM2501`	`you are in luck`
`02:12.49`	`SoundlessChaos`	`took theif kills off`
`02:13.03`	`SoundlessChaos`	`and still it fails`
`02:13.04`	`CIA-66`	`BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19107 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/build/fullbuild.sln: use the correct name for bzfscron`
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`02:16.28`	`SoundlessChaos`	`so yeah..lol`
`02:16.37`	`SoundlessChaos`	`kinda screwed on the plugins i spose..`
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`02:26.42`	`Winny`	`JeffM2501: out of curiousity, why did you not stick with the theme you guys had up yesterday?`
`02:27.01`	`JeffM2501`	`Winny: it had issues`
`02:27.06`	`JeffM2501`	`no sticky icons, etcc`
`02:27.08`	`Winny`	`ahh`
`02:27.32`	`dexter-`	`aww`
`02:27.37`	`dexter-`	`was preddy`
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`02:43.14`	`SoundlessChaos`	`grrrrrr`
`02:47.11`	`*** join/#bzflag CIA-59 (n=CIA@208.69.182.149)`
`02:47.23`	`me1`	`hugs cia-59`
`02:47.27`	`CIA-59`	`hugs me1`
`02:47.27`	`me1`	`wait`
`02:47.30`	`me1`	`there are two?`
`02:47.48`	`me1`	`hugs CIA-66 as well.`
`02:48.05`	`joevano`	`me1: i would say there are at least 66 ;P`
`02:48.11`	`me1`	`hehe`
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`02:49.52`	`joevano`	`me1: i gave up on him...`
`02:51.03`	`SoundlessChaos`	`anyone care to help..lol?`
`02:51.10`	`SoundlessChaos`	`still have the plugin issue..`
`02:51.30`	`me1`	`SoundlessChaos, learn to compile`
`02:52.10`	`TkTech_`	`lol`
`02:52.13`	`SoundlessChaos`	`you know im on windows right.. its not like linux or mac where its just simple your done..`
`02:52.29`	`me1`	`It isn't "just simple your done" on ANY OS`
`02:52.31`	`joevano`	`SoundlessChaos: im on windows, I compile...`
`02:52.43`	`SoundlessChaos`	`and you have how much experience..`
`02:52.44`	`joevano`	`it isn't that terribly hard`
`02:52.45`	`SoundlessChaos`	`i have none.`
`02:52.53`	`joevano`	`i started with none`
`02:52.59`	`SoundlessChaos`	`howlong ago?`
`02:53.00`	`dexter-`	`[03:51] <me1> SoundlessChaos, learn to compile`
`02:53.02`	`TkTech_`	`oh`
`02:53.06`	`joevano`	`give it a shot and ask questions`
`02:53.19`	`joevano`	`you don't want to know`
`02:53.25`	`TkTech_`	`joevano: Sorry about the confusion, I should have specified his name. I did and do have permission to host it.`
`02:53.29`	`SoundlessChaos`	`i dont even know what programs i need to compile a plugin..`
`02:53.38`	`me1`	`SoundlessChaos, so learn?`
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`02:53.51`	`TkTech_`	`We went through this with you at like 1am Soundless :(`
`02:53.57`	`joevano`	`TkTech_: yeah, i saw that about 4 hours after I sent you that while reading the backlog here`
`02:54.40`	`joevano`	`you need to be able to compile bzflag from source.. there are plenty of pages that give you steps on doing that`
`02:55.01`	`SoundlessChaos`	`so wait.. i cant just get a plugin and just compile it i have to compile bzflag first..`
`02:55.18`	`me1`	`SoundlessChaos, untrue`
`02:55.34`	`joevano`	`loves the new "Warning" feature in phpBB3`
`02:55.39`	`me1`	`joevano, ?`
`02:55.43`	`TkTech_`	`lol`
`02:55.49`	`Winny`	`joevano: What does it do? And also, do it to me!`
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`02:56.07`	`TkTech_`	`its a button in the post/thread to post an infraction report automatically in a given hidden forum`
`02:56.16`	`TkTech_`	`er, at least thats how I have mine setup`
`02:56.16`	`joevano`	`me1: its an admin thing, keeps a log ands sends a PM`
`02:56.21`	`me1`	`oh boy`
`02:56.23`	`me1`	`that thing`
`02:56.39`	`me1`	`how many times a day are we limited to clicking it?`
`02:56.54`	`TkTech_`	`joevano: If you play with the settings you can also have it make a post in a hidden forum (on ours its staff->Infraction Reports)`
`02:57.32`	`joevano`	`oh, that may be nice... it does keep a nice log in the user record though`
`02:58.15`	`TkTech_`	`yeah its really whatever your preference is. I prefer it because I log in and see a new post, I know there was a conflict. Also its easy to just prune it once they start adding up`
`02:58.21`	`TkTech_`	`and other staff members can comment on it`
`02:58.26`	`TkTech_`	`since it gets posted as a regular thread`
`02:58.33`	`blast007`	`neat`
`03:00.27`	`Winny`	`hm`
`03:00.29`	`joevano`	`Winny: you have been warned :P`
`03:00.34`	`Winny`	`I got an email saying I have a new PM`
`03:00.38`	`Winny`	`but there's nothing in my inbox`
`03:00.52`	`joevano`	`hmm.. that would be the warning`
`03:01.07`	`Winny`	`ah, full folder`
`03:01.11`	`Winny`	`empties`
`03:01.35`	`TkTech_`	`Oo The CIA bot lagged out`
`03:01.44`	`SoundlessChaos`	`okay so sumone suggest to me what compileing program i need. so i know where to get started here.. i see VC express.. but god knows if i have this right nor do i know where to get it`
`03:02.04`	`TkTech_`	`in the famous words of JeffM...google.`
`03:02.19`	`TkTech_`	`lookup VC++ Express 2008`
`03:02.37`	`SoundlessChaos`	`and is that all im gonna need to compile.. cuz im scanning the forums not finding anything else.`
`03:03.16`	`TkTech_`	`Did you really listen to anything we said in the like 3 hours we talked to you yesterday?`
`03:03.34`	`joevano`	`TkTech_: nope`
`03:03.54`	`joevano`	`he didn't want to do it, so he wasn't listening`
`03:04.46`	`SoundlessChaos`	`alright.. so... i decided to grin and bear it and do it.. i know you all explained this last night and im sorry.. i was just.. idk.. im ready to listen and take it seriuosly`
`03:05.39`	`blast007`	`Winny: yeah, I'm thinking about changing the 'PM inbox full' option`
`03:05.50`	`blast007`	`currently it's set to hold back PMs instead of deleting old ones`
`03:06.00`	`blast007`	`phpbb2 deleted old ones`
`03:06.04`	`Winny`	`why not make the inbox bigger? :P`
`03:06.14`	`blast007`	`or I could do that :P`
`03:06.18`	`TkTech_`	`pm's don't exactly take a lot of space, lol`
`03:06.31`	`blast007`	`TkTech_: yeah, but we already have the limit at 200 ;)`
`03:06.40`	`TkTech_`	`god learn how to clean.`
`03:06.58`	`blast007`	`and we allow attachments in PMs, which can take up lots of space (not that it's heavily used)`
`03:07.22`	`me1`	`What's the friend/foe thing do?`
`03:07.29`	`me1`	`does it block pms/etc.?`
`03:07.42`	`me1`	`or just for fun?`
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`03:08.21`	`TkTech_`	`there's a friends popup somewhere`
`03:08.24`	`TkTech_`	`I don't remember lol`
`03:08.41`	`TkTech_`	`essentially an IM minus the live messaging`
`03:09.54`	`joevano`	`me1: foes (from the manage foes page) Foes are users which will be ignored by default. Posts by these users will not be fully visible. Personal messages from foes are still permitted. Please note that you cannot ignore moderators or administrators.`
`03:10.13`	`me1`	`"fully visible"?`
`03:11.13`	`joevano`	`my guess is that they dont show up in the "New Posts" search`
`03:11.49`	`joevano`	`and friends are listed in your PM Box so you can compose messages to them easier`
`03:12.12`	`me1`	`oh`
`03:12.22`	`me1`	`it "folds" posts by them`
`03:13.11`	`me1`	`example: http://me1.mybzflag.net/untitled.JPG`
`03:17.22`	`SoundlessChaos`	`is vc++ 2008 express free?`
`03:17.29`	`SoundlessChaos`	`or trial windows said trial.. but it says free`
`03:20.37`	`me1`	`SoundlessChaos, yes`
`03:20.51`	`SoundlessChaos`	`k getting it now..`
`03:21.12`	`SoundlessChaos`	`look im sorry that i was so dense about this all last night i just always figured i couldnt do this kinda stuff..`
`03:21.15`	`me1`	`however, the project was made for vc7, or 2003`
`03:21.23`	`me1`	`7.1*`
`03:21.25`	`SoundlessChaos`	`so what do i need??`
`03:21.42`	`me1`	`compiling with 2008 may have problems, is what I mean`
`03:21.57`	`SoundlessChaos`	`and with 2007?`
`03:22.05`	`me1`	`there is no 2007`
`03:22.41`	`SoundlessChaos`	`sorry.. vc7 and 2003.`
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`03:23.07`	`me1`	`just download 2008, and try and compile the plugins, if you have problems ask here.`
`03:23.20`	`SoundlessChaos`	`k i take it i dont need the sql server?`
`03:23.33`	`me1`	`no?`
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`03:28.17`	`nn-main`	`hi all`
`03:28.59`	`nn-main`	`here is a Snap shot of my current develupment for Gtkbzedit .. ::: tell me what you think so far .... I know it needs work but this is the alpha version .... http://userbin.net/GtkBzadin_Alpha_0.png`
`03:29.39`	`MindstormsKid`	`hmm`
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`03:30.25`	`MindstormsKid`	`looks like wings3d... but fine :)`
`03:34.46`	`nn-main`	`MindstormsKid, So you like it ?????`
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`03:35.13`	`MindstormsKid`	`nn-main: er, well, i would have to try it :)`
`03:35.48`	`SoundlessChaos`	`nice vc++ is like 1 gig from the way its saying..lol good thing i got 500 gigs..lol`
`03:36.42`	`iShock`	`Hey MindstormsKid :o`
`03:37.01`	`MindstormsKid`	`iShock: Hi`
`03:37.45`	`nn-main`	`MindstormsKid, well why dont you try it ??? :) =====>>>> http://userbin.net/gtk_bzadmin_alpa_1.0.tar`
`03:38.00`	`nn-main`	`and then tell me what you think`
`03:38.46`	`nn-main`	`I came here hoping at best for a slap over the head ... Atleast thats what it usually feels like ..... Maby this time will be a little different`
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`03:39.22`	`MindstormsKid`	`oh`
`03:39.25`	`MindstormsKid`	`i was being nice`
`03:39.34`	`MindstormsKid`	`j/k :P`
`03:39.52`	`MindstormsKid`	`nn-main: is that for winxp?`
`03:40.12`	`nn-main`	`MindstormsKid, See if you can figure out why its not reading chat messages ... Im almost stumped`
`03:40.16`	`nn-main`	`well`
`03:40.29`	`nn-main`	`i idk how to compile it on win`
`03:40.41`	`Winny`	`can you please not let you bot idle on my server?`
`03:40.56`	`iShock`	`Oh, Winny!`
`03:40.57`	`Winny`	`s/you/your`
`03:40.58`	`TkTech`	`yeah theres two bots idling on my servers as well`
`03:41.02`	`fatass`	`nn-main: also, what's the point of the display, might as well run regular old bzflag for that`
`03:41.06`	`nn-main`	`Oh sory Winny I was enjoying watching the show`
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`03:41.27`	`Winny`	`nn-main: you can leave it there when you're testing it, but please don't leave it there all the time`
`03:41.30`	`TkTech`	`nn-main: What is it your trying to compile on windows?`
`03:41.41`	`FastLizard4\|busy`	`MindstormsKid: :P`
`03:41.49`	`iShock`	`Help :(`
`03:41.52`	`iShock`	`lee@Vertex:~/bzflag-2.0.12/src/bzflag$ ./bzflag`
`03:41.52`	`nn-main`	`TkTech, my program .... my secound one ..... Gtkbzedit`
`03:41.52`	`iShock`	`No fonts found (the -directory option may help). Exiting`
`03:42.05`	`MindstormsKid`	`FastLizard4\|busy: XD`
`03:42.14`	`TkTech`	`Is it open source? Toss me the link and I'll compile it for you`
`03:42.23`	`nn-main`	`TkTech, the source is above in the tar ball`
`03:42.33`	`TkTech`	`I Disconnected`
`03:42.33`	`nn-main`	`I gave a link to it`
`03:42.41`	`TkTech`	`MindstormsKid: oh`
`03:42.41`	`TkTech`	`[10:39pm] MindstormsKid: i was being nice`
`03:42.47`	`TkTech`	`my first two lines`
`03:43.06`	`fatass`	`iShock: what OS are you compiling on?`
`03:43.13`	`nn-main`	`MindstormsKid, well why dont you try it ??? :) =====>>>> http://userbin.net/gtk_bzadmin_alpa_1.0.tar`
`03:43.27`	`nn-main`	`thats the line i said above`
`03:43.34`	`nn-main`	`theres the link TkTech`
`03:43.44`	`TkTech`	`pulling`
`03:44.00`	`nn-main`	`I build debug and compile on gentoo linux`
`03:44.01`	`TkTech`	`want native 64bit or 32bit?`
`03:44.24`	`nn-main`	`shouldent matter .... 32 ... its more compatable on win`
`03:45.02`	`nn-main`	`TkTech, Use the options form the script buildme.sh`
`03:45.16`	`nn-main`	`i couldent get the make file to work properly`
`03:45.27`	`nn-main`	`.. it also needs to be dumed in the right place`
`03:45.50`	`nn-main`	`/home/nn/root/modeltool/bzflag/src/gtkbzadmin`
`03:46.05`	`nn-main`	`it just needs to be under src in the bzflag source directory`
`03:46.32`	`nn-main`	`it pulls libs from lower directorys`
`03:50.10`	`nn-main`	`brb`
`03:50.56`	`SoundlessChaos`	`so..lets say we compare compiling counter strike plugins to bzflag plugins.. wich would be easier..`
`03:53.19`	`nn-main`	`TkTech, hows it going ?`
`03:57.25`	`nn-main`	`One more thing this bzadmin ... (Gtkbzadmin) was taken off on my original hack of bzadmin ... my original hack is the most usefull hack ever derived .... I almost dont tuch the normal bzadmin any more`
`03:58.02`	`nn-main`	`The original bzadmin hack with out any gtk is Aposolutly stable at the moment and available for all OS's`
`03:58.09`	`nn-main`	`here is its source`
`03:58.12`	`nn-main`	`http://userbin.net/PowerBzadmin_2.0.tar`
`04:00.23`	`SoundlessChaos`	`brb all. must restart to complete vc++ install`
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`04:02.32`	`nn-main`	`purple_cow, hi`
`04:08.38`	`nn-main`	`iShock, you here ?`
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`04:11.25`	`SoundlessChaos`	`hello`
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`04:13.43`	`iShock`	`spldart?`
`04:13.53`	`spldart`	`?`
`04:14.05`	`iShock`	`How do I bind a button to say "Sorry" in team chat?`
`04:14.16`	`iShock`	`Like, when I hit x, I want to say Sorry in team chat`
`04:14.42`	`Guest332`	`dont tk and it wont be a problem...lol`
`04:14.43`	`nn-main`	`iShock, Since I noticed your on a linux or mac machiene`
`04:14.44`	`spldart`	`I wasn't aware that was possible.`
`04:14.58`	`spldart`	`I'm installing new video capture hardware and software to my MM rig.`
`04:15.18`	`iShock`	`spldart: Doesn't o send /lagstats?`
`04:15.45`	`TD--Linux`	`iShock, options menu, input`
`04:15.46`	`nn-main`	`iShock, If you want to spend a day and a half Digging threw the bzflag client code go ahead ..... I have given up ...... Its really complex code`
`04:15.50`	`TD--Linux`	`IIRC at the bottom there are quick keys`
`04:16.03`	`TD--Linux`	`nn-main,what?`
`04:16.10`	`TD-Linux`	`it's a fefature of bzflag, sorto`
`04:16.27`	`TD-Linux`	`ee that got scrambled`
`04:16.27`	`iShock`	`...What about config.cfg?`
`04:16.34`	`TD-Linux`	`you can put it in there too`
`04:16.35`	`iShock`	`"bind N down "send all""`
`04:16.37`	`TD-Linux`	`that's what the ingame menus do`
`04:16.38`	`nn-main`	`TD-Linux, I never could figured out how the input keys were maped correctly :(`
`04:16.51`	`iShock`	`I can do bind X down, but what do I do for sending it?`
`04:16.54`	`nn-main`	`in the bzflag source`
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`04:17.28`	`iShock`	`blast007 or JeffM2501 lurking?`
`04:17.33`	`TD-Linux`	`oh, I'm not sure`
`04:17.33`	`JeffM2501`	`?`
`04:17.34`	`nn-main`	`TD-Linux, have you tryed my bzadmin inpruvments`
`04:17.37`	`TD-Linux`	`I just use quick keys`
`04:17.45`	`nn-main`	`JeffM2501, hi`
`04:17.47`	`TD-Linux`	`options -> input -> define quick keys`
`04:17.50`	`JeffM2501`	`hello`
`04:17.59`	`TD-Linux`	`I might have missed an option in there`
`04:18.10`	`nn-main`	`JeffM2501, I got the alpha release of gtkbzadmin ready`
`04:18.17`	`JeffM2501`	`doubtfull`
`04:18.28`	`nn-main`	`????? Look at the screen shot`
`04:18.40`	`JeffM2501`	`oh I'm sure it's real`
`04:18.48`	`JeffM2501`	`i just doubt it's "alpha"`
`04:18.52`	`JeffM2501`	`did you call it 3.0?`
`04:19.02`	`nn-main`	`JeffM2501, no`
`04:19.27`	`nn-main`	`http://userbin.net/gtk_bzadmin_alpa_1.0.tar`
`04:19.30`	`iShock`	`JeffM2501: Is it possible to bind X down "send team Sorry"?`
`04:19.36`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't know`
`04:20.03`	`iShock`	`Can I change quick keys?`
`04:20.05`	`nn-main`	`JeffM2501, which come first alpha or beta`
`04:20.12`	`JeffM2501`	`nn-main: seriously?`
`04:20.16`	`JeffM2501`	`iShock: read the docs`
`04:20.20`	`JeffM2501`	`and the wiki`
`04:20.24`	`iShock`	`docs .. Hm.`
`04:20.25`	`JeffM2501`	`shoudn't be to hard to figure out`
`04:20.28`	`TD-Linux`	`iShock, options -> input -> key binding -> define quick keys not good enough?`
`04:20.58`	`nn-main`	`JeffM2501, I think its alpha which is why i called my release alpha`
`04:21.16`	`JeffM2501`	`you think?`
`04:21.41`	`iShock`	`TD-Linux: It'll do, but it's hard to shoot and hit two keys that far apart. :(*`
`04:22.39`	`nn-main`	`JeffM2501, I can't seem to get TimeKeeper::getTick(); to respond with a value above 0 ..... and the GameTime::???? I have tryed everything .... just gives back 1 value all the time ... am i doing somthing wrong`
`04:23.00`	`TD-Linux`	`'s typing speed has gotten to the point it's faster to type "sorry" than hit a combo`
`04:23.07`	`JeffM2501`	`TimeKeeper::getCurrent().getSeconds();`
`04:23.19`	`TD-Linux`	`I usually don't type it anyways`
`04:23.35`	`TD-Linux`	`unless I was being stupid in which case I make a multiworded apology`
`04:24.03`	`nn-main`	`... JeffM2501 than what does getTick() do ... it seems to be used all over in the client`
`04:24.18`	`JeffM2501`	`nn-main: what do you want to do?`
`04:25.33`	`nn-main`	`JeffM2501, What it seems to be doing in the client ???`
`04:25.47`	`JeffM2501`	`nn-main: what do you want to do?`
`04:25.47`	`Swigg`	`JeffM oe Blast007: PING`
`04:25.50`	`JeffM2501`	`what?`
`04:26.05`	`Swigg`	`nGo to bzflagr: NM is attacking us`
`04:26.23`	`Swigg`	`somehow doing an anonymous chat`
`04:26.24`	`JeffM2501`	`I am not an admin of the servers`
`04:26.27`	`nn-main`	`JeffM2501, ...... > so you can define the function or out put of get tick ????? ...`
`04:26.28`	`JeffM2501`	`talk to the wner`
`04:26.44`	`JeffM2501`	`nn-main: what is a "tick"`
`04:26.56`	`TD-Linux`	`I'll fix`
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`04:27.09`	`nn-main`	`JeffM2501, in the client im guessing getTick is used to determine where the time sync inbetween the server and client fit ,,,,, Am i correct`
`04:27.20`	`JeffM2501`	`nn-main: you are not`
`04:27.26`	`JeffM2501`	`not in the least`
`04:27.31`	`MrDudle`	`lol`
`04:27.32`	`JeffM2501`	`hence why I asked you waht you wanted to do`
`04:27.38`	`nn-main`	`JeffM2501, ???? Than what does it do`
`04:27.38`	`JeffM2501`	`but you keep saying random things`
`04:27.48`	`JeffM2501`	`dunno off the top of my head`
`04:27.50`	`JeffM2501`	`read the code and see`
`04:27.57`	`Swigg`	`How is he flodding the chat without being logged in? Are there patches or plugins that need to be applied?`
`04:28.09`	`JeffM2501`	`they need .13`
`04:28.18`	`MrDudle`	`JeffM2501 I have a question about map creation.`
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`04:28.28`	`nn-main`	`JeffM2501, You get time stamps with the server packets and it seem get tick is used in tank prodiction timing in some way ... ?`
`04:28.42`	`MrDudle`	`So, I've seen the software they reccomend for doign it, but like do you have to do anything special when making it?`
`04:29.46`	`JeffM2501`	`nn-main: only on tunk`
`04:29.50`	`JeffM2501`	`and that has nothing to do with timekeeper`
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`04:31.38`	`JeffM`	`what are you trying to do nn-main ?`
`04:32.49`	`nn-main`	`JeffM, I am trying to get frame timing for the eventual implimentation of tank position prodiction in the gtk interface .`
`04:33.14`	`JeffM`	`in branch or trunk?`
`04:35.42`	`nn-main`	`JeffM, which ever one is released in the tarr ball everyone downloads`
`04:36.18`	`JeffM`	`that is branc`
`04:36.24`	`JeffM`	`we have no DR offset for branch`
`04:36.44`	`JeffM`	`you want the last update time - current time`
`04:36.47`	`JeffM`	`they are in seconds`
`04:36.53`	`JeffM`	`not ticks`
`04:37.02`	`nn-main`	`kk`
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`05:29.57`	`SoundlessChaos`	`yay for compiling..lol`
`05:30.02`	`SoundlessChaos`	`had to get 2005..`
`05:30.09`	`SoundlessChaos`	`2008 wouldnt work`
`05:34.11`	`SoundlessChaos`	`alright so who has worked with vc 2005??`
`05:38.17`	`SoundlessChaos`	`umm okay`
`05:38.20`	`SoundlessChaos`	`visual c++`
`05:38.24`	`SoundlessChaos`	`is aborting my server`
`05:43.42`	`CIA-9`	`BZFlag: 03blast007 * r19108 10/trunk/db/ (4 files):`
`05:43.42`	`CIA-9`	`BZFlag: Make use of some extra code from phpBB3. The utf8_clean_string() function is`
`05:43.42`	`CIA-9`	`BZFlag: used to prepare the username for a query against the username_clean column. This`
`05:43.42`	`CIA-9`	`BZFlag: fixes the case sensitivity issue with logins in-game and with weblogin.`
`05:43.43`	`CIA-9`	`BZFlag: Get rid of bzfls_phpbb3functions.php and just link straight in to the installed copy of phpBB3.`
`05:44.09`	`blast007`	`SoundlessChaos: you'll probably need to use Visual C++ 2003 to build plugins for our distributed build of BZFlag 2.0.x`
`05:44.31`	`blast007`	`which doesn't have a free version`
`05:45.52`	`blast007`	`if you're serious about running a server, you'll probably not want to use Windows.`
`05:47.00`	`SoundlessChaos`	`okay well my server ran before i got visual c..`
`05:47.05`	`SoundlessChaos`	`if i take this off will it run then?`
`05:47.19`	`blast007`	`I don't see how installing Visual C++ would have an impact on your server`
`05:47.31`	`SoundlessChaos`	`it gives me runtime errors`
`05:47.32`	`blast007`	`can you be more specific?`
`05:47.36`	`SoundlessChaos`	`yes hang on.`
`05:47.40`	`blast007`	`when you try to run that plugin?`
`05:47.58`	`blast007`	`or does it crash even when you double click on the bzfs.exe icon?`
`05:55.27`	`MrDudle`	`oh god`
`05:55.29`	`MrDudle`	`not phpbb3`
`05:55.32`	`MrDudle`	`ew ew ew ew ew ew`
`05:55.45`	`blast007`	`MrDudle: what, you'd rather we go back to phpbb1?`
`05:55.47`	`MrDudle`	`absolutely awful >:(`
`05:55.48`	`MrDudle`	`no`
`05:55.52`	`MrDudle`	`blast007 i'd rather you use smf`
`05:55.54`	`MrDudle`	`use something decent`
`05:56.10`	`blast007`	`why?`
`05:56.17`	`blast007`	`what's so great about SMF?`
`05:56.19`	`MrDudle`	`smf is more secure`
`05:56.31`	`MrDudle`	`easier to install modules etc`
`05:56.57`	`blast007`	`I only needed one mod, so that's a moot point`
`05:57.01`	`blast007`	`and it was a simple one`
`05:57.04`	`MrDudle`	`well`
`05:57.08`	`MrDudle`	`smf is more secure`
`05:57.12`	`MrDudle`	`easier to use`
`05:57.17`	`blast007`	`what makes it more secure?`
`05:57.21`	`blast007`	`the fact that less people use it?`
`05:57.24`	`MrDudle`	`the way it's used`
`05:57.26`	`MrDudle`	`no...`
`05:57.34`	`blast007`	`give examples`
`05:57.36`	`MrDudle`	`or the way it's designed rather`
`05:57.48`	`MrDudle`	`what type of examples are you looking for?`
`05:57.48`	`blast007`	`are you sure it is? or is that just what you read?`
`05:58.02`	`MrDudle`	`it's what i've heard from people that know more than me`
`05:58.05`	`MrDudle`	`plus i hate phpbb3`
`05:58.08`	`blast007`	`that's nice`
`05:58.09`	`MrDudle`	`smf is easier to use`
`05:58.10`	`blast007`	`I like it`
`05:58.18`	`MrDudle`	`blast007 never said you couldn't use it`
`05:58.23`	`blast007`	`does SMF offer LDAP authentication?`
`05:58.27`	`MrDudle`	`no clue`
`05:58.42`	`blast007`	`or at least a modular authencation system?`
`05:58.43`	`MrDudle`	`blast007 i was just giving my opinion`
`05:58.53`	`blast007`	`authentication*`
`05:58.54`	`MrDudle`	`my understanding is it's more secure`
`05:58.55`	`JeffM`	`it is not exactly a democracy ;)`
`05:59.02`	`MrDudle`	`and i personally prefer smf`
`05:59.07`	`MrDudle`	`JeffM he can use w/e he wants`
`05:59.09`	`MrDudle`	`it's up to him`
`05:59.32`	`JeffM`	`he dosn't own the server, so it's not`
`05:59.34`	`JeffM`	`;)`
`05:59.37`	`MrDudle`	`shrugs`
`06:01.09`	`MrDudle`	`blast007 i was mainly saying i prefer smf`
`06:01.34`	`MrDudle`	`the jobs i've had where forums were required i found it easier to use smf`
`06:02.50`	`blast007`	`MrDudle: k`
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`06:17.41`	`JeffM`	`we use fourms for more then we should`
`06:18.03`	`MrDudle`	`hmmm`
`06:32.03`	`CIA-9`	`BZFlag: 03blast007 * r19109 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Cheap hack to block spoofed /me messages.`
`06:34.53`	`JeffM2501`	`ibot blast007++`
`06:36.10`	`blast007`	`what about 2.99.x? same thing? or just remove support for /me?`
`06:36.26`	`JeffM2501`	`I vote for pulling /me`
`06:36.29`	`JeffM2501`	`it has nothing to do with the game`
`06:36.35`	`blast007`	`k, fine with me`
`06:36.40`	`blast007`	`it was a cheap hack to begin with`
`06:39.08`	`JeffM2501`	`notes that the winbin of proxy mine works just fine and wonders what his problem is`
`06:39.20`	`JeffM2501`	`thinks some chains are being yanked`
`06:39.39`	`blast007`	`or user error`
`06:39.44`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`06:39.46`	`JeffM2501`	`chains`
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`06:40.33`	`blast007`	`poor nn`
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`06:40.54`	`JeffM2501`	`nn-main/nn64: getTick returns the timekeeper that represensts the start of the current update loop`
`06:40.59`	`JeffM2501`	`it has nothing to do with network traffic`
`06:41.41`	`JeffM2501`	`blast007: I don't feel sorry for him but for his famialy ;)`
`06:43.31`	`Winny`	`hehe`
`06:56.07`	`FastLizard4`	`What does an (m) next to the IP mean in the IP ban list?`
`06:56.26`	`JeffM2501`	`masterban`
`06:56.31`	`JeffM2501`	`instead of a localban`
`06:57.03`	`FastLizard4`	`Would that mean that its hardcoded into the software?`
`06:57.15`	`FastLizard4`	`Or otherwise not controlled by local admins?`
`06:57.16`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`06:57.24`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not hardcoded`
`06:57.27`	`JeffM2501`	`it comes from the masterban list`
`06:57.33`	`FastLizard4`	`Ahh, ok, thanks`
`06:57.35`	`JeffM2501`	`thats on our site`
`06:57.48`	`JeffM2501`	`servers use it by default, but the owners can opt out`
`07:00.18`	`JeffM2501`	`you are correct that local admins don't add to it`
`07:20.58`	`SoundlessChaos`	`hmm i wonder what the command or variable makes the bullets go faster`
`07:29.02`	`Winny`	`/set _shotSpeed`
`07:34.40`	`SoundlessChaos`	`thats what i thought wasnt sure.`
`07:34.58`	`SoundlessChaos`	`now im looking for my variable in the config for richochet.. but i know the variiable just cant find it..`
`07:37.15`	`SoundlessChaos`	`grr okay well i dont see the variable that is if its RT..`
`07:37.45`	`Winny`	`+r adds rico`
`08:06.36`	`SoundlessChaos`	`im looking to change the amount of connections i can have per server..`
`08:07.38`	`Winny`	`You're on windows, you can't`
`08:07.52`	`Winny`	`if you want to host more then 20ish run a linux box to put the server on`
`08:07.56`	`SoundlessChaos`	`are you serious???`
`08:08.06`	`SoundlessChaos`	`o how many can i have?`
`08:08.09`	`Winny`	`(bzfs on linux is MUCH more stable then bzfs on windows too)`
`08:08.34`	`Winny`	`I could get up to 20, on a 1.2mbit connection`
`08:09.02`	`Winny`	`window, due to the connection limit can only hold 20`
`08:09.07`	`Winny`	`including you`
`08:10.07`	`SoundlessChaos`	`okay how about mac..?`
`08:10.12`	`SoundlessChaos`	`could i run more ppl there?`
`08:10.20`	`Winny`	`I think so`
`08:10.21`	`SoundlessChaos`	`i have a macbook i could run the server off of`
`08:10.27`	`Winny`	`dont see why not`
`08:10.32`	`SoundlessChaos`	`i wouldnt need any plugins.. just a config and bzfs`
`08:10.47`	`SoundlessChaos`	`i may do that`
`08:10.51`	`SoundlessChaos`	`thanks for the help.`
`08:36.18`	`SoundlessChaos`	`damnit.. why wont my server load..`
`08:36.32`	`SoundlessChaos`	`i think its the map settings compared to the config setting`
`08:36.36`	`SoundlessChaos`	`anyway to override this`
`08:37.38`	`trepan`	`they're done in order, iirc`
`08:37.56`	`trepan`	`bzfs -conf c1.txt -world test.bzw -conf c2.txt`
`08:38.05`	`SoundlessChaos`	`well damn.. that means i gotta change my settings??`
`08:38.07`	`trepan`	`c2.txt will override the test.bzw options`
`09:03.08`	`SoundlessChaos`	`whats the default shot speed?`
`09:31.17`	`SoundlessChaos`	`so heres a question for ya all.`
`09:31.31`	`SoundlessChaos`	`if i was to run a mac server rather than a windows server`
`09:31.40`	`SoundlessChaos`	`would it be better or more stable than the windows one?`
`09:33.12`	`blast007`	`maybe`
`09:33.30`	`blast007`	`(well, make that a 'definately')`
`09:33.40`	`SoundlessChaos`	`lol`
`09:33.48`	`SoundlessChaos`	`well tommrow im gonna do that`
`09:33.59`	`blast007`	`how much bandwidth do you have?`
`09:34.03`	`blast007`	`upstream, that is`
`09:34.13`	`SoundlessChaos`	`hell if i know any way of testing it?`
`09:34.38`	`blast007`	`speedtest.net`
`09:35.34`	`SoundlessChaos`	`upload is 2634`
`09:35.57`	`blast007`	`what's the download speed?`
`09:36.05`	`SoundlessChaos`	`4153`
`09:36.10`	`SoundlessChaos`	`is any of this good?`
`09:36.25`	`blast007`	`did you add an extra number somewhere in the upload speed?`
`09:36.33`	`SoundlessChaos`	`no`
`09:36.56`	`SoundlessChaos`	`http://www.speedtest.net/result/381707408.png`
`09:37.12`	`blast007`	`that's good upstream`
`09:37.24`	`SoundlessChaos`	`like realy good..or just like bleh lol`
`09:37.26`	`blast007`	`I get about 480 ;)`
`09:37.46`	`blast007`	`compared to a dedicated server, it's a bit low`
`09:37.54`	`SoundlessChaos`	`well i can imagine.`
`09:37.57`	`blast007`	`typically you get 10 or 100 mbps with a dedicated`
`09:38.06`	`blast007`	`but 2mbps is good for a home pipe`
`09:38.10`	`SoundlessChaos`	`but id be like a every day kinda thing where ide laugn it and play for a few hours with friends and such`
`09:38.15`	`SoundlessChaos`	`then cut it offline over night`
`09:38.24`	`SoundlessChaos`	`lanch*`
`09:38.31`	`SoundlessChaos`	`you know what i mea..lol`
`09:38.33`	`SoundlessChaos`	`grrr`
`09:38.38`	`SoundlessChaos`	`cats bumping me`
`09:41.31`	`SoundlessChaos`	`i ran a server off mac once.`
`09:41.35`	`SoundlessChaos`	`seemed more stable.`
`09:42.14`	`SoundlessChaos`	`ill be asking help tommrow to get the commands right in terminal..`
`09:42.18`	`SoundlessChaos`	`since its been months`
`09:43.33`	`blast007`	`bzfs -help`
`09:43.56`	`blast007`	`we have documentation for a reason`
`09:44.09`	`SoundlessChaos`	`thats true.`
`09:44.11`	`blast007`	`read the wiki, and search the forum`
`09:45.17`	`SoundlessChaos`	`i shall i now have a team issue on my server what ever team i go to besides blue says its full..`
`09:45.46`	`blast007`	`then fix your -mp setting`
`09:46.49`	`blast007`	`-mp rogue,red,green,blue,purple,observer (replace each word with a number of how many you want`
`09:47.30`	`SoundlessChaos`	`i have auto team off.`
`09:47.33`	`SoundlessChaos`	`is that okay?`
`09:48.08`	`blast007`	`that just means it'll pick your team automatically when you join and ignore the team you pick`
`09:48.26`	`blast007`	`(when on)`
`09:48.30`	`SoundlessChaos`	`max players is 50.`
`09:48.33`	`blast007`	`so if it's off, you can pick your own team`
`09:48.36`	`blast007`	`okay`
`09:48.47`	`blast007`	`should be fine then`
`09:48.48`	`SoundlessChaos`	`ans the other is 3,3,3,3,3.3`
`09:49.02`	`blast007`	`you have two mp settings?`
`09:49.16`	`SoundlessChaos`	`yeah`
`09:49.21`	`blast007`	`why?`
`09:49.22`	`SoundlessChaos`	`thers two -mp's`
`09:49.24`	`blast007`	`you should only have one`
`09:50.05`	`SoundlessChaos`	`now my server wont load at all lol`
`09:50.21`	`blast007`	`that's too bad`
`09:50.45`	`blast007`	`guess people will just have to play on one of the other 200 servers`
`09:50.57`	`SoundlessChaos`	`lol`
`09:51.51`	`blast007`	`well, time to do something more productive: sleep`
`09:52.01`	`SoundlessChaos`	`sleep well`
`11:09.09`	`SoundlessChaos`	`grrrr`
`11:09.12`	`SoundlessChaos`	`anone here?`
`11:09.15`	`SoundlessChaos`	`anyone*`
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`11:24.59`	`randomparticle`	`hi`
`11:25.25`	`randomparticle`	`do we have a bzflag leap second issue tonight?`
`11:25.42`	`randomparticle`	`i.e., are we going to start seeing "strange stuff"`
`11:36.31`	`SoundlessChaos[A`	`is now away - Reason : Sleeping`
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`15:53.20`	`*** topic/#bzflag is Topic for #bzflag is: http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag \|\| http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help \|\| this channel is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ \|\| http://ohloh.net/projects/189 \|\| 2.0.12 is the latest linux release, 2.0.10 for others`
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`16:38.26`	`nn-main`	`Which should i use .... 40 ms time out for checking packets or a 80ms time out for checking packets???`
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`16:40.34`	`me1`	`both`
`16:49.12`	`SpazzyMcGee`	`blast007: ping`
`17:05.49`	`blast007`	`SpazzyMcGee: pong`
`17:06.05`	`SpazzyMcGee`	`It seems I cannot login to submitimages`
`17:06.38`	`SpazzyMcGee`	`I assumed this is something to do with the forum upgrade...?`
`17:06.40`	`blast007`	`the weblogin is failing?`
`17:07.00`	`blast007`	`is does it fail after it gets back to the i.b.o site?`
`17:07.21`	`SpazzyMcGee`	`It tells me my user name or password aren't correct`
`17:07.37`	`blast007`	`on the weblogin page?`
`17:08.00`	`SpazzyMcGee`	`yep`
`17:08.46`	`SpazzyMcGee`	`This happened once before when the submitimages service was first set up`
`17:08.47`	`blast007`	`okay, did it for me with another account`
`17:08.57`	`SpazzyMcGee`	`it seemed to be something to do with the space in my name`
`17:09.05`	`blast007`	`I bet I didn't change the column I query for`
`17:09.10`	`SpazzyMcGee`	`i'll try with my other accoun...`
`17:09.54`	`SpazzyMcGee`	`my other account works fine. it has no spaces - icecoldtrashcan`
`17:10.06`	`SpazzyMcGee`	`As opposed to Spazzy McGee`
`17:10.16`	`blast007`	`try with Spazzy McGee`
`17:10.20`	`blast007`	`it wasn't spaces that was the issue`
`17:10.23`	`blast007`	`it was capital letters`
`17:10.39`	`SpazzyMcGee`	`Works now`
`17:10.43`	`blast007`	`I forgot to query against username_clean instead of username`
`17:10.52`	`SpazzyMcGee`	`ah, cool`
`17:11.14`	`SpazzyMcGee`	`cheers`
`17:11.38`	`SpazzyMcGee`	`uploads the brick textures he is very proud of`
`17:18.18`	`CIA-64`	`BZFlag: 03blast007 * r19110 10/trunk/db/weblogin.php: Make sure to use the correct column name (username_clean instead of username).`
`17:20.44`	`SpazzyMcGee`	`ah`
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`17:50.35`	`JefferyM`	`yay no more animated thread icons :)`
`17:54.36`	`BulletCatcher`	`Yay. Those were annoying.`
`17:56.36`	`me1`	`what does the star represent?`
`17:56.50`	`JefferyM`	`"mine"`
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`17:56.54`	`JefferyM`	`did you make the thread?`
`17:56.59`	`me1`	`nope`
`17:57.07`	`me1`	`I think i posted in it, though`
`17:57.13`	`JefferyM`	`probably that then`
`17:57.35`	`JefferyM`	`I'll still redo them later`
`17:57.39`	`JefferyM`	`more bzflag like`
`17:58.00`	`JefferyM`	`the lack of clear distinction for the unread ones buged me`
`18:01.38`	`Winny`	`yay, those animated icons sucked`
`18:01.47`	`JefferyM`	`my new ones are slopy`
`18:01.58`	`me1`	`doesn't get why the userlist has alphabetic categories at the top, but when you click them, it is still sorted by date joined`
`18:02.51`	`Winny`	`it's not for me?`
`18:04.00`	`JefferyM`	`just the fact that you can freakin SORT them is a godsend`
`18:04.01`	`JefferyM`	`and search`
`18:04.10`	`me1`	`yeah`
`18:04.12`	`JefferyM`	`by a LOT of stuff`
`18:05.05`	`me1`	`was getting tired of creating a PM to search for a username`
`18:05.10`	`JefferyM`	`and comeon.. "view new posts", "view unanswerd posts" that's what we've need`
`18:05.16`	`JefferyM`	`the new PM interface is great`
`18:05.23`	`me1`	`JefferyM, weren't those there before?`
`18:05.30`	`JefferyM`	`I don't think so`
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`18:06.00`	`JefferyM`	`if so I never saw them`
`18:06.14`	`blast007`	`view new posts isn't new`
`18:06.23`	`blast007`	`nor is unanswered`
`18:06.28`	`JefferyM`	`k`
`18:06.48`	`blast007`	`new post tracking seems to behave a bit differently though`
`18:07.20`	`blast007`	`my 'view new posts' only had one item there, but on the index, I had several forum categories that had the 'new posts' icon`
`18:07.37`	`blast007`	`so it migh track those from previous sessions if you don't actually read them`
`18:07.46`	`JefferyM`	`yeah it does`
`18:07.49`	`blast007`	`think that's some option under the Load Settings`
`18:07.57`	`me1`	`I like that`
`18:08.05`	`blast007`	`yeah`
`18:08.41`	`me1`	`Before, if I read something, opened bzflag, and then went back, it would mark everything as read.`
`18:10.29`	`JefferyM`	`Mark Forums Read is new IIRC`
`18:10.49`	`blast007`	`nope`
`18:11.00`	`JefferyM`	`you sure, I thought oyu had to hit each one before`
`18:11.14`	`me1`	`I used that all the time.`
`18:11.15`	`blast007`	`I think they had "Mark all forums read"`
`18:11.21`	`JefferyM`	`k`
`18:14.30`	`TD-Linux`	`logs in to see`
`18:14.33`	`TD-Linux`	`oh my`
`18:14.36`	`TD-Linux`	`fixed width? :(`
`18:15.06`	`JefferyM`	`you'll live`
`18:15.39`	`TD-Linux`	`no I won't`
`18:15.48`	`TD-Linux`	`choke`
`18:15.55`	`blast007`	`get a smaller screen and it'll seem like it's not fixed width`
`18:17.54`	`trepan`	`hehe, down to 256 FIXMEs`
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`18:28.02`	`Winny`	`whoa what the heck? http://gizmodo.com/5121311/reports-30gb-zunes-failing-everywhere-all-at-once`
`18:28.14`	`blast007`	`yeah, mine did it.. :(`
`18:28.27`	`blast007`	`last night at around midnight`
`18:29.14`	`Winny`	`blast007: haha :P`
`18:29.45`	`Winny`	`I think they need to be a bit more subtle about their planned obsolescence ;)`
`18:30.35`	`blast007`	`lol..`
`18:31.07`	`Winny`	`"Hey guys, I've got this great idea!!"`
`18:31.36`	`blast007`	`I wasn't even using mine. I had it plugged into the docking station, and I come upstairs, and it's stuck at the loading screen`
`18:36.26`	`AAA_awright`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:37.24`	`AAA_awright`	`Instead of doing that, why not have the client prepend who the message is from?`
`18:37.37`	`delusional_`	`runs through screaming "ITS NOT A SPOOF, MICROSOFT HAS ALWAYS SUCKED"`
`18:37.49`	`AAA_awright`	`blast007?`
`18:38.01`	`AAA_awright`	`I'll do a patch if necessary`
`18:38.07`	`blast007`	`AAA_awright: uh, because trusting the client was the whole problem`
`18:38.23`	`blast007`	`someone was sending the right format to trigger the /me functionality on the clients`
`18:38.42`	`blast007`	`so don't worry about it`
`18:38.45`	`AAA_awright`	`Don't send the callsign to the client, make the client add it`
`18:38.58`	`blast007`	`and how would that fix anything?`
`18:39.01`	`blast007`	`2.0.x is dead`
`18:39.11`	`blast007`	`and we're going to remove /me in 2.99.x :)`
`18:39.23`	`AAA_awright`	`Then why bother... nvm.`
`18:39.24`	`temp_work`	`fix it, don't remove it`
`18:39.32`	`blast007`	`temp_work: why?`
`18:39.42`	`AAA_awright`	`What is wrong with /me?`
`18:40.08`	`AAA_awright`	`Heh, didn't see it was to the 2.0 branch`
`18:40.34`	`RatOmeter`	`blast007: I read that removing the Zune's battery briefly fixes it. Sounds like you could just let the battery run down and get the same result`
`18:40.44`	`blast007`	`RatOmeter: yeah, I let it run down`
`18:41.02`	`blast007`	`not gonna charge it again until Microsoft finds out what went wrong, since I don't want it doing it again`
`18:41.36`	`RatOmeter`	`yep`
`18:44.19`	`trepan`	`requiring glew.h ... would that be such a bad thing?`
`18:45.44`	`SoundlessChaos`	`is no longer away : Gone for 7 hours 9 minutes 12 seconds`
`18:45.47`	`TD-Linux`	`all major linux distros have it now`
`18:46.12`	`TD-Linux`	`some sort of extension manager is necessary at some point I suppose`
`18:47.01`	`trepan`	`and that point would be now ;-)`
`18:48.27`	`TD-Linux`	`most people already have it anyway to get aniso`
`18:48.50`	`SoundlessChaos`	`happy new year guys.`
`18:49.00`	`TD-Linux`	`you live in india?`
`18:49.05`	`SoundlessChaos`	`sure do xD lol`
`18:49.15`	`SoundlessChaos`	`jk.. no just saying it cuz i prolly wont be here..lol`
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`18:56.21`	`eject_ck`	`Hi all`
`18:56.39`	`blast007`	`hello`
`18:58.30`	`eject_ck`	`I'm trying start bzflag on Windows with nVidia GeForce 8600 GT card, all what I see is 2 sec testing performance ... please wait, lowest quality, lowest quality with textures, full quality ... after this window closes. How can I debug reason of problem`
`18:58.33`	`eject_ck`	`Thanks!`
`18:59.49`	`Winny`	`you might be able to set the settings manually`
`18:59.55`	`Winny`	`in the configuration file`
`19:01.04`	`eject_ck`	`where it located by default ?`
`19:01.17`	`Winny`	`Vista, or XP?`
`19:01.31`	`eject_ck`	`XP`
`19:01.50`	`Winny`	`tries to remember`
`19:01.54`	`blast007`	`do you have the nVidia drivers installed?`
`19:02.06`	`blast007`	`latest nVidia drivers, that is`
`19:02.18`	`eject_ck`	`yes`
`19:02.22`	`eject_ck`	`I have latest`
`19:02.33`	`eject_ck`	`just downloaded`
`19:02.37`	`blast007`	`k`
`19:02.51`	`blast007`	`what version of BZFlag? 2.0.10?`
`19:03.15`	`eject_ck`	`yes`
`19:03.17`	`eject_ck`	`bzflag-2.0.10.exe`
`19:03.20`	`blast007`	`hrm`
`19:04.13`	`eject_ck`	`Driver Version: 178.24`
`19:04.41`	`eject_ck`	`can I redirect debug log to file?`
`19:05.06`	`blast007`	`yeah`
`19:06.10`	`blast007`	`you can add -debug -debug -debug -debug -echo to the shortcut at the end of the Target of the shortcut`
`19:06.23`	`blast007`	`that'll generate a stdout.txt file in the install directory`
`19:06.49`	`eject_ck`	`trying`
`19:10.08`	`eject_ck`	`http://pastie.org/349785`
`19:10.11`	`eject_ck`	`Any suggestions?`
`19:11.02`	`blast007`	`looks`
`19:12.02`	`blast007`	`not really, unfortunately`
`19:12.24`	`blast007`	`hmm, or maybe I do`
`19:12.30`	`Winny`	`blast007: is there away to disable the quality checks?`
`19:12.39`	`blast007`	`wonder if it's the MOTD that's crashing the client`
`19:13.26`	`blast007`	`eject_ck: try adding -nomotd in the shortcut`
`19:14.14`	`eject_ck`	`sec`
`19:14.29`	`eject_ck`	`trying...`
`19:14.49`	`eject_ck`	`happy!!! It started!!!`
`19:14.56`	`eject_ck`	`hey, it's a bug ?`
`19:15.10`	`blast007`	`apparently something with your computer it doesn't like`
`19:15.22`	`blast007`	`next time to try is go to into Join Game`
`19:15.25`	`blast007`	`and then hit Find Servers`
`19:15.47`	`eject_ck`	look, I don`t started bzflag never before
`19:16.25`	`eject_ck`	`can I help community to find trouble reason >`
`19:16.27`	`eject_ck`	`?`
`19:16.57`	`eject_ck`	`btw, where modt file located?`
`19:17.00`	`blast007`	`does Find Server work?`
`19:17.12`	`blast007`	`it's a file on our website`
`19:17.25`	`blast007`	`which is why I want to see if Find Servers works for you`
`19:17.27`	`eject_ck`	`btw, -nomotd is not doccumented`
`19:17.30`	`blast007`	`since that uses the same method`
`19:17.32`	`blast007`	`actually, it is`
`19:17.36`	`blast007`	`bzflag -help shows it`
`19:18.24`	`eject_ck`	`not works :( it crash after find servers`
`19:18.33`	`SoundlessChaos`	`that is weird..`
`19:18.50`	`SoundlessChaos`	`it has to be a software issue consiering im ona intel gma 950 intergrated and it runs just fine.`
`19:18.50`	`blast007`	`are you behind a proxy or some strange network setup?`
`19:18.51`	`MrDudle`	`maps are hard to make`
`19:19.06`	`blast007`	`SoundlessChaos: it has nothing to do with the video card`
`19:19.13`	`blast007`	`it's an issue with cURL`
`19:19.14`	`eject_ck`	`Ops, this PC have only LAN`
`19:19.26`	`SoundlessChaos`	`hes also useing xp pro too.. that i hear usualy gives ppl issues..`
`19:19.26`	`eject_ck`	`without LAN`
`19:19.45`	`blast007`	`SoundlessChaos: uh, no. No it doesn't.`
`19:19.50`	`eject_ck`	`I want try to play via LAN`
`19:20.00`	`Winny`	`SoundlessChaos: so the hundreds of people that run XP with bzflag are also having issues we never hear about? Interesting`
`19:20.00`	`blast007`	`eject_ck: ah, so you're not online`
`19:20.07`	`eject_ck`	`yes`
`19:20.08`	`blast007`	`that would do it`
`19:20.09`	`SoundlessChaos`	`xp pro.`
`19:20.10`	`SoundlessChaos`	`not home..`
`19:20.22`	`eject_ck`	`I'm chatting from another PC`
`19:20.28`	`blast007`	`eject_ck: then use -nomotd and -nolist`
`19:20.33`	`blast007`	`that should fix that`
`19:20.34`	`eject_ck`	`sec`
`19:20.38`	`Winny`	`SoundlessChaos: there are no issues with XP, you have heard wrong`
`19:20.55`	`blast007`	`Find Server will be able to locate a local server on your LAN if it uses the default port of 5154`
`19:21.06`	`SoundlessChaos`	`okay well i was trying to say i knew it was true or not just going on what i have heard sorry for being wrong`
`19:21.28`	`eject_ck`	`so by default it query your server for motd and servers list ?`
`19:21.32`	`blast007`	`SoundlessChaos: I have no idea where you heard that. Macs and linux have the majority of the issues. :)`
`19:21.36`	`blast007`	`eject_ck: yeah`
`19:21.54`	`eject_ck`	`So, by default if PC not connected to wan it everytime crash without any messages?`
`19:21.56`	`blast007`	`and for whatever reason it decided to crash when it couldn't get out`
`19:22.07`	`blast007`	`it's not an overly tested scenario`
`19:22.38`	`eject_ck`	`:) I hope that there is somebody who can fix this :)`
`19:22.39`	`RatOmeter`	`I have XP Pro at home and no problems like this`
`19:23.00`	`eject_ck`	`RatOmeter: PC not have internet connection ?`
`19:23.01`	`blast007`	`RatOmeter: the issue is that he's playing on machines with no internet connection`
`19:23.33`	`RatOmeter`	`mmm. Guess I haven't done that in about 8 years`
`19:23.39`	`blast007`	`;)`
`19:24.25`	`RatOmeter`	`I'll try when I get home from work (only Beasta and Linux here)`
`19:25.12`	`blast007`	`RatOmeter: won't do much good unless you have a debug build and can figure out where it's crashing ;)`
`19:25.28`	`RatOmeter`	`I can do that too`
`19:25.33`	`blast007`	`cool`
`19:25.52`	`blast007`	`are you able to build the trunk SVN version? (2.99.x)`
`19:25.58`	`blast007`	`since that's the one we mainly care about now`
`19:26.06`	`blast007`	`if it doesn't crash in that version, then problem solved`
`19:28.09`	`eject_ck`	`last question before starting - what I need to start network game:`
`19:28.09`	`eject_ck`	`on first PC:`
`19:28.09`	`eject_ck`	`1. Join Game`
`19:28.09`	`eject_ck`	`2. Server: localhost, Port: 5154`
`19:28.09`	`eject_ck`	`2. Start server`
`19:28.09`	`eject_ck`	`On second PC:`
`19:28.15`	`RatOmeter`	`should be able to. Haven't updated in a while, so this can be my excuse ;)`
`19:32.09`	`blast007`	`second PC you can try "Find Servers" (with -nolist) and it should show up there`
`19:32.33`	`blast007`	`if that fails to work or connect, just put in the IP address of the computer running the server into the 'server' spot and use port 5154`
`19:33.22`	`SoundlessChaos`	`okay so my bullets are ricocheting for to long..`
`19:33.25`	`SoundlessChaos`	`how do i solve this?`
`19:35.08`	`blast007`	`don't shoot at walls`
`19:35.18`	`blast007`	`;)`
`19:35.27`	`blast007`	`define "too long"`
`19:35.37`	`blast007`	`and what settings did you change that might have made it "too long"`
`19:35.42`	`RatOmeter`	`SoundlessChaos: decrease _shotRange? (if it's your server)`
`19:36.07`	`SoundlessChaos`	`k will do. whats the defualt anyone know?`
`19:36.15`	`SoundlessChaos`	`like way to long.`
`19:36.21`	`SoundlessChaos`	`they last 15 seconds or more.`
`19:36.22`	`RatOmeter`	`350`
`19:36.31`	`RatOmeter`	`SoundlessChaos: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Server_Variables`
`19:36.36`	`SoundlessChaos`	`ill shoot a ball to the otherside and that will be the ball to kill me after it hits 6 more walls`
`19:36.57`	`RatOmeter`	`interacts with other shot settings too`
`19:37.46`	`eject_ck`	`gREAT GAME`
`19:37.50`	`eject_ck`	`Thanks!`
`19:39.16`	`RatOmeter`	`just wait until you play online :)`
`19:44.58`	`SoundlessChaos`	`okay and now im haveing another issue`
`19:45.04`	`SoundlessChaos`	`only 4 ppl can connect to my server`
`19:45.10`	`SoundlessChaos`	`and i have a mp setting of 20`
`19:45.35`	`blast007`	`what does it tell them?`
`19:45.49`	`SoundlessChaos`	`it tells me signing on and then signing off`
`19:45.56`	`SoundlessChaos`	`and it wont let thrm start`
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`19:46.27`	`blast007`	`welcome to hosting on Windows`
`19:47.07`	`Winny`	`hosting on windows pretty much doesn't work`
`19:47.09`	`Winny`	`as we've said`
`19:47.31`	`SoundlessChaos`	`my friends hosted windows`
`19:47.35`	`SoundlessChaos`	`had more players`
`19:47.41`	`SoundlessChaos`	`and its his commfig..`
`19:47.42`	`SoundlessChaos`	`lol`
`19:47.44`	`Winny`	`I'm sure they did`
`19:47.47`	`SoundlessChaos`	`config*`
`19:47.49`	`blast007`	`get him to help you then`
`19:47.53`	`Winny`	`but you can't - remove more if not all flags`
`19:47.58`	`SoundlessChaos`	`so explain that one... i could change port i spose.`
`19:48.04`	`blast007`	`...`
`19:48.09`	`Winny`	`that will do nothing`
`19:48.09`	`RatOmeter`	`What do the people joining (and leaving) see from the server? e.g. "That team is full"`
`19:48.15`	`Winny`	`we've explined why this does work`
`19:48.20`	`Winny`	`doesn't*`
`19:48.38`	`SoundlessChaos`	`idk they just cant start`
`19:48.43`	`SoundlessChaos`	`it doesnt say anything`
`19:48.44`	`blast007`	`what does the bzfs log say when they leave?`
`19:48.46`	`SoundlessChaos`	`hey jus cnt start`
`19:48.50`	`SoundlessChaos`	`they*`
`19:48.57`	`SoundlessChaos`	`signing off`
`19:49.16`	`RatOmeter`	`It's been since before 2.0 since I hosted BZ on windows. I recall having this issue and resolving it, but I don't recall how`
`19:49.17`	`blast007`	`no`
`19:49.21`	`blast007`	`bzfs log`
`19:49.26`	`Winny`	`SoundlessChaos: remove all flags and see if they can join`
`19:49.29`	`blast007`	`not in-game`
`19:49.39`	`SoundlessChaos`	`all flags??`
`19:49.42`	`SoundlessChaos`	`okay will do.`
`19:49.50`	`SoundlessChaos`	`but idk how many are gonna join with no flags..`
`19:49.52`	`SoundlessChaos`	`ya know.`
`19:50.00`	`Winny`	`it's a test`
`19:50.11`	`SoundlessChaos`	`i have one person to test it with..`
`19:50.13`	`SoundlessChaos`	`lol im 4 short`
`19:50.14`	`Winny`	`if more people join, there's your issue`
`19:50.28`	`SoundlessChaos`	`i have one of every bad flag and one of every good.`
`19:50.35`	`blast007`	`I'd be more worried about how many are going to join your crappy server in general ;)`
`19:50.41`	`SoundlessChaos`	`hows that nt gonna work when his config had 10 of each on windows and ran like 15 ppl.`
`19:50.49`	`SoundlessChaos`	`thats what makes this so urghhh yeah lol`
`19:50.56`	`blast007`	`SoundlessChaos: ask him`
`19:51.04`	`SoundlessChaos`	`i have.. hes 14.. so ya get the idea.`
`19:51.18`	`blast007`	`no, no I don't`
`19:51.28`	`SoundlessChaos`	`lol he goes off ona sum rant about american idol..`
`19:51.30`	`Winny`	`one of every good and one of every bad? that's far too many for windows`
`19:51.37`	`SoundlessChaos`	`when ever i ask him what do you have in ur config..`
`19:51.38`	`Winny`	`you probably only want maybe 10 total flags`
`19:51.41`	`SoundlessChaos`	`and he goes on and on..`
`19:51.42`	`blast007`	`get his config and try it`
`19:51.45`	`SoundlessChaos`	`so ive given up on the kid lol`
`19:51.49`	`SoundlessChaos`	`i have his config`
`19:51.52`	`SoundlessChaos`	`its the one im useing`
`19:51.56`	`SoundlessChaos`	`and it still doesnt work.`
`19:52.02`	`SoundlessChaos`	`see where its mind boggeling`
`19:52.16`	`blast007`	`no`
`19:52.39`	`blast007`	`You're hosting on Windows. That's your problem.`
`19:52.49`	`SoundlessChaos`	`could changeing my port help any?`
`19:52.53`	`Winny`	`No.`
`19:52.59`	`Winny`	`You are hosting on windows. That is the problem.`
`19:53.06`	`SoundlessChaos`	`and if i put this thing on mac itl work better?`
`19:53.07`	`blast007`	`try your mac`
`19:53.22`	`Winny`	`Yes`
`19:53.22`	`blast007`	`maybe`
`19:53.22`	`Winny`	`assuming you have enough bandwidth`
`19:53.23`	`blast007`	`try it`
`19:53.32`	`Winny`	`I can only get about 15-20 on my 1mbit (upload)`
`19:53.39`	`SoundlessChaos`	`i think it was blast who saw my bandwidth last night`
`19:53.39`	`blast007`	`Winny: he has ~2600kbps up`
`19:53.43`	`Winny`	`blast007: k`
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`20:01.42`	`SoundlessChaosMB`	`k on the macbook`
`20:02.01`	`blast007`	`really?`
`20:02.25`	`SoundlessChaosMB`	`yup.`
`20:02.32`	`blast007`	`wow`
`20:02.39`	`blast007`	`couldn't tell`
`20:03.01`	`blast007`	`That MB prefix didn't provide any hint`
`20:03.05`	`SoundlessChaosMB`	`lol i said on the macbook as a test to see if others could see what i was saying`
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`20:07.13`	`SoundlessChaos`	`okay im guedssing i can just copy my config over from my windows machine to the mac`
`20:08.03`	`me1`	`indeed`
`20:08.24`	`SoundlessChaos`	`k now i have a shortcut set up to where all i gotta do is double click it and the server rubs.`
`20:08.27`	`SoundlessChaos`	`can i do this with mac?`
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`20:09.05`	`me1`	`no`
`20:09.15`	`Winny`	`open terminal`
`20:09.17`	`SoundlessChaos`	`runs* lol`
`20:09.24`	`SoundlessChaos`	`its open`
`20:09.35`	`Winny`	`cd /Applications/BZFlag-2.0.10.app/Contents/MacOS/`
`20:09.36`	`blast007`	`you can do a shell script on the mac`
`20:09.44`	`Winny`	`IIRC that's the path`
`20:09.54`	`RatOmeter`	`It's been a while since I built bz on winders. Looks like I need VC++ 9.0 now?`
`20:09.56`	`blast007`	`if not, the tab key is your friend`
`20:10.00`	`blast007`	`RatOmeter: yes`
`20:10.12`	`RatOmeter`	`OK`
`20:10.24`	`blast007`	`(2008 version)`
`20:10.38`	`RatOmeter`	`yeah, I'll need to download the express edition when I get home`
`20:11.00`	`blast007`	`do you have 2005 there as well?`
`20:11.07`	`RatOmeter`	`only have 2 T1's at work... used to think that was fast ;)`
`20:11.21`	`RatOmeter`	`yes on 2005`
`20:11.28`	`blast007`	`spldart: what was the scenario that you tried where 2008 wouldn't work right`
`20:11.37`	`blast007`	`spldart: did you have 2005 installed when you installed 2008?`
`20:11.42`	`blast007`	`RatOmeter: k`
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`20:23.15`	`SoundlessChaos`	`okay i have it on my mac system.`
`20:23.40`	`SoundlessChaos`	`but i wanna know how to make a .command file to where i just double click it and the server auto loads the stuff`
`20:24.00`	`JefferyM`	`4more days :)`
`20:25.07`	`Winny`	`hehe`
`20:25.28`	`SoundlessChaos`	`any help..?`
`20:26.10`	`JefferyM`	`Winny, please feel free to modify that header image if you want`
`20:26.19`	`JefferyM`	`I just did a quciky from your art svn`
`20:26.40`	`Winny`	`JefferyM: do you have the original header from that template anywhere?`
`20:27.01`	`JefferyM`	`yeah`
`20:27.39`	`Winny`	`can you upload it/link me to it?`
`20:28.12`	`JefferyM`	`mailed it to you`
`20:28.25`	`Winny`	`k`
`20:28.51`	`Winny`	`oh wow, was pretty boring :P`
`20:29.10`	`JefferyM`	`yeah`
`20:29.13`	`Winny`	`hm.. /me has an idea`
`20:29.19`	`JefferyM`	`a logo image goes over the left side`
`20:29.26`	`JefferyM`	`I want to change that to just be a larger icon`
`20:29.33`	`JefferyM`	`but I have to edit the template to do that`
`20:34.22`	`me1`	`I would assume this means I'm missing glew? platform.lib(VerticalSync.obj) : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol __imp____wglewSwapIntervalEXT`
`20:34.22`	`me1`	`geometry.lib(FlagSceneNode.obj) : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol __imp____glewDrawRangeElements`
`20:34.22`	`me1`	`geometry.lib(FlagSceneNode.obj) : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol __imp____GLEW_EXT_draw_range_elements`
`20:34.22`	`me1`	`./bzflag_debug/bzflag.exe : fatal error LNK1120: 3 unresolved externals`
`20:35.18`	`JefferyM`	`yes`
`20:35.23`	`JefferyM`	`what are you buildiung?`
`20:35.30`	`me1`	`bzflag sln`
`20:35.39`	`me1`	`that was the bzflag project`
`20:35.41`	`JefferyM`	`choose "debug" not "debug distrobution"`
`20:35.45`	`me1`	`i did`
`20:35.53`	`JefferyM`	`branch or trunk?`
`20:35.58`	`me1`	`trunck`
`20:36.07`	`JefferyM`	`funn`
`20:36.11`	`JefferyM`	`guess glew is required now`
`20:36.24`	`JefferyM`	`so much for #defines`
`20:39.39`	`me1`	`odd`
`20:40.08`	`me1`	`I already have the glew headers, and it's set as a vc directory`
`20:40.08`	`Winny`	`JefferyM: check mail`
`20:40.49`	`trepan`	`JefferyM: from earlier... "< trepan> requiring glew.h ... would that be such a bad thing?"`
`20:40.52`	`JefferyM`	`I don't have photoshop`
`20:40.55`	`Winny`	`oh`
`20:40.56`	`JefferyM`	`trepan, ahh`
`20:40.59`	`JefferyM`	`it's fine`
`20:41.03`	`JefferyM`	`we just have to make some changes`
`20:41.08`	`JefferyM`	`and should pull the define`
`20:41.17`	`Winny`	`JefferyM: don't have photoshop anywhere, or just where you are now?`
`20:41.18`	`JefferyM`	`and probably include a copy`
`20:41.25`	`JefferyM`	`Winny, where I am now`
`20:41.27`	`Winny`	`ah`
`20:41.36`	`trepan`	`i really should have just said glew, need the lib too`
`20:41.44`	`JefferyM`	`tho aperanly I can preview it i in QT`
`20:42.09`	`JefferyM`	`Winny, looks good, can you make me a PNG?`
`20:42.15`	`Winny`	`yeah`
`20:42.22`	`JefferyM`	`me1, I'll have to make some chagnes to the project`
`20:42.31`	`me1`	`k`
`20:42.38`	`JefferyM`	`it'll be a while`
`20:42.45`	`JefferyM`	`I'm knee deep in sql stuff`
`20:42.57`	`Winny`	`k sent`
`20:43.01`	`JefferyM`	`thanks`
`20:43.12`	`Winny`	`sure`
`20:47.01`	`JefferyM`	`oof. that text goes away now, dosn'tit?`
`20:47.16`	`JefferyM`	`and we need to schooch the search box over`
`20:47.50`	`Flash`	`SoundlessChaos: you need a script to start the server`
`20:48.11`	`Flash`	`it is possible to make a script double-clickable, but you'll probably want to use xcode to do that`
`20:48.31`	`JefferyM`	`can't you just set the exeute bit?`
`20:48.41`	`Flash`	`I`
`20:48.44`	`Flash`	`I'll check`
`20:49.24`	`SoundlessChaos`	`all i needis a shell script.`
`20:49.28`	`Flash`	`yes, that seems workable as well`
`20:49.47`	`SoundlessChaos`	`all im doing is executeing the config file thats it. im not gonna attempt plugins.`
`20:49.55`	`Flash`	`no pretty icon, but as long as it doesn't require arguments, your script will run if you double-click it`
`20:50.06`	`SoundlessChaos`	`that what i need.`
`20:50.22`	`SoundlessChaos`	`who needs a pretty icon its the server that counts.`
`20:50.24`	`SoundlessChaos`	`not the icon..lol`
`20:50.36`	`Flash`	`so you can make the script, right?`
`20:50.47`	`SoundlessChaos`	`ive never done a shell script on mac..`
`20:50.53`	`SoundlessChaos`	`ima windows nerd and even then i suck..lol`
`20:50.55`	`Flash`	`on linux?`
`20:50.58`	`SoundlessChaos`	`mac`
`20:51.03`	`SoundlessChaos`	`osx leo`
`20:51.06`	`Flash`	`have you ever written a shell script`
`20:51.09`	`SoundlessChaos`	`no.`
`20:51.19`	`JefferyM`	`Flash, best to /msg him with the help ;)`
`20:51.25`	`Flash`	`ok`
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`21:11.59`	`spldart`	`mmMMmmm locked up linux :(`
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`21:29.04`	`brlcad`	`heh, funny .. http://codingexperiments.com/archives/562`
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`21:51.56`	`SoundlessChaosMB`	`much better guys`
`21:52.05`	`SoundlessChaosMB`	`i have 9 players in my server and its going fine :)`
`21:57.45`	`MrDudle`	`i'm starting a server too`
`21:58.27`	`MrDudle`	`SoundlessChaos what kind of map do you have?`
`21:58.33`	`MrDudle`	`like ctf free ?`
`21:58.50`	`SoundlessChaosMB`	`its just free for all basically`
`21:58.56`	`SoundlessChaosMB`	`if you wanna jojn it to try it.`
`21:59.01`	`MrDudle`	`custom map?`
`21:59.06`	`SoundlessChaosMB`	`its Soundlesschaos.servegame.org:5155`
`21:59.11`	`SoundlessChaosMB`	`Ratlab`
`22:05.11`	`MrDudle`	`i like`
`22:05.13`	`MrDudle`	`been there before`
`22:05.24`	`SoundlessChaosMB`	`theres another one with 20 shots.`
`22:05.26`	`SoundlessChaosMB`	`its my friens`
`22:05.32`	`SoundlessChaosMB`	`youve been to that one.`
`22:05.36`	`MrDudle`	`yeah i'm designing a map right now`
`22:05.37`	`SoundlessChaosMB`	`not mine mine was just put up.`
`22:05.47`	`MrDudle`	`i've been to ratlab i think`
`22:05.51`	`SoundlessChaosMB`	`will it be public ide like to test it`
`22:06.09`	`MrDudle`	`i'm trying to make a map`
`22:06.56`	`MrDudle`	`i'm using anim8tor`
`22:07.04`	`MrDudle`	`and then a program a friend made`
`22:07.17`	`SoundlessChaosMB`	`itd be nice to have a new map as idk what maps ppl like`
`22:07.25`	`MrDudle`	`yeah`
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`22:29.08`	`SportChick`	`hugs brlcad`
`22:31.23`	`SoundlessChaos`	`wtf...`
`22:31.29`	`SoundlessChaos`	`i go to save my config in mac`
`22:31.38`	`SoundlessChaos`	`it says you do not have the approprait prvilges.`
`22:31.42`	`SoundlessChaos`	`so i change them.`
`22:31.45`	`SoundlessChaos`	`and what do ya know..`
`22:31.47`	`brlcad`	`hugs SportChick`
`22:31.49`	`SoundlessChaos`	`it still wont let me`
`22:34.52`	`Winny`	`sudo chown yourname:users /path/to/file.extension I think..`
`22:44.47`	`Flash`	`thinks SportChick is a figment of the collective imagination`
`22:45.10`	`SportChick`	`giggles at Flash and then tacklehugs him`
`22:45.24`	`Flash`	`sends SportChick 100 plants for her garden`
`22:45.38`	`Winny`	`blames SportChick`
`22:45.49`	`Flash`	`~blame Winny`
`22:45.49`	`ibot`	`ACTION blames Winny (and Canada) for all the evil in the world`
`22:45.54`	`SportChick`	`deflects all blame onto DTRemenak`
`22:45.56`	`Winny`	`Hey it's redundant`
`22:46.00`	`Flash`	`lol`
`22:46.00`	`Winny`	`is in canada :P`
`22:46.03`	`Flash`	`I knew that`
`22:46.17`	`Winny`	`;)`
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`23:48.28`	`RatOmeter_`	`It's quiet in here...`
`23:48.32`	`RatOmeter_`	`too quiet`
`23:48.45`	`Winny`	`BOO`
`23:48.51`	`Winny`	`BOO BOO BOO... BOO`
`23:49.27`	`RatOmeter_`	`Gah!!`
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