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00:05.52dexter-JefferyM, ping
00:06.44Winnynot again :P
00:06.49dexter-nono :P
00:06.57Winny;)
00:10.44JefferyM?
00:52.20spldartpoindexter
00:52.27spldart;)
00:54.21dexter-yea..merry xmas spldart
00:58.32Winnyhehe
00:58.47dexter-;)
01:45.33spldart8-O
01:45.46spldartIt's "Christ" mas
01:45.50spldart:-p
01:46.00MindstormsKid:P
01:46.07MindstormsKidoops
01:46.18MindstormsKidjumps into the conversation late
01:57.27Winnyspldart: says who?
01:57.33Winnythere are many acceptable terms
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02:13.38spldartNo... there are not. So'th says the guy behind the curtain.
02:17.26Winnyspldart: according to who?
02:17.35me1he just said
02:21.02spldart:-)
02:22.04Winnyspldart: give me evidence or your claim is moot
02:22.21spldartDelayed reaction brought to you by the new episodes of 'History Channel' ;-p
02:22.31spldartLOL @ Winny
02:22.51spldarts/of/on
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04:38.00javawizard2539Winny: Saying x-mas is somewhat shifting the focus away from Christ
04:38.02javawizard2539Where it should be
04:38.37javawizard2539So Christmas is considerably more correct than xmas
04:39.37javawizard2539We were talking about that in my seminary class last Friday
04:48.05brlcadeither way, it's considerably off-topic even for a quiet channel :P
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04:51.05zee454hi
04:52.14TD-Linux... hi?
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05:33.42JeffMhopes he did not screw up his part in the winter solstace meal
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05:36.47JeffMshort_circuit, I was never able to duplicate your vc9 issues
06:03.29Winnyjavawizard2539: people of faith are welcome to look at it that way
06:05.10javawizard2539oh yeah, I forgot you're an atheist...
06:06.06JeffMnot everyone belives what you do, let them
06:10.53javawizard2539I am
06:10.56javawizard2539I just forgot
06:11.07JeffMof course you did
06:11.25TheRedBaronburns JeffM at the stake
06:11.34TheRedBaronheretic!
06:11.51Winnyhehe
06:12.32JeffMTheRedBaron, I'm used to it, I don't use a mac
06:13.46blast007Merry Pastamas everyone! FSM..away!
06:14.18JeffMdecemberween
06:14.31blast007hehe
06:14.38Winnystevemas for the apple users?
06:14.38TheRedBaronhrm, some where out there, there must be a stake for me to - I don't use a mac either.
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06:39.29a_meteoriteTheRedBaron: I think the Steve calls it redmondhell
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07:58.40javawizard2539Anyone here know why bz_getWorldSize would be returning -1?
08:08.05BulletCatcherLook at its implementation in bzfsAPI.cxx, and you'll see that it only returns non-zero values.
08:09.03BulletCatcherDid you call bz_setWorldSize() previously?
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08:26.27javawizard2539BulletCatcher: No
08:26.42javawizard2539It's a random map, if that helps
08:27.08javawizard2539And I'm also getting back ePlayerStatus.alive when the player is dead, which I'm assuming is a bug
08:27.16BulletCatcherbz_setWorldSize() is what sets the values that are returned by bz_getWorldSize()
08:27.24javawizard2539(from playerupdatestate.status)
08:27.38javawizard2539Is there a way to get at the world's actual size then?
08:27.59BulletCatcherThere should be.
08:28.27javawizard2539Weird
08:28.43javawizard2539It looks like it should be returning the world's size, according to the bzflag code
08:28.52javawizard2539But it's not for some reason
08:29.57javawizard2539Oh wait
08:30.02javawizard2539Was reading in the wrong area
08:30.17javawizard2539It looks to me like it's unused if the plugin doesn't define the world
08:30.31BulletCatcherThat makes sense.
08:33.14BulletCatcherNon-plugin code just uses BZDBCache::worldSize, but I'm not sure if that is available to plugins.
08:34.09BulletCatcherIt probably is not.
08:38.30javawizard2539BulletCatcher: You can get at bzdb vars from within a plugin, so that would work
08:38.32javawizard2539Thanks
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13:51.41short_circuitthanks for the effort jeff (the EE thing) ... time to go to work :(
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15:14.37spldartYah know... With CHRISTmas coming up a "think that makes you go Hrmmm" popped into my head. I wonder what the athiest to christian ratio is in Windows, Linux and Mac.
15:14.39spldartHrmmmm
15:15.03spldartOr in bzflag as compared to say WoW
15:34.59Winnyspldart: I'm sure it's more or less proportional to other things
15:36.26spldartI have a feeling there would be a disparity amongst the OS's
15:37.18Winnywhen you get to large samples it usually starts to mirror a much much larger sample
15:37.39WinnyIE, the election.. the polled about 30,000 people and the results were within 1% of the election outcome
15:39.59spldartNot exactly a matching analogy. But I do admit it could turn out that the ratio is similar across the os's... it's just a feeling
15:41.48blast007people that use Windows ME probably don't believe in God.  *BSOD* "GRRR, THERE IS NO GOD!!!"
15:42.59spldartLOL
15:44.00WinnyI never had issues with ME >_<
15:44.24spldartcough 'explicitive' cough
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16:16.51blast007Winny: I still remember the first time I turned on my Windows ME computer. It bluescreened before it even got to the desktop icons.....
16:17.04Winnyblast007; seriously?
16:17.08blast007yes
16:17.10Winnywow
16:17.15blast007first boot from getting it out of the box..
16:17.28Winnyouch
16:17.52blast007I mean, ME had some nice features, but I definately had stability issues with it
16:27.09spldartME was so bad I skipped over it. 98se to XP with a little stint of 2k
16:27.37spldartI'm not sure if I will ever run vista though.
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16:30.49Wyk3dmerry christmas :)
16:33.28blast007spldart: vista's not bad  :P
16:34.00Winnyvista's fine
16:34.07Winnyit runs on my netbook really really well
16:34.09spldartBut linux is taking good care of me :p
16:34.13Winny:)
16:34.21spldartIB that's what she said
16:34.25Winnyeats more cookies
16:34.35spldartthe homemade ones?
16:34.39WinnyYES
16:34.55spldartI'm just eating some nasty Keebler Grasshoppers
16:34.58WinnyI should say, ate more cookies ;)
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16:44.11me1steals the rest of the cookies from Winny
16:44.14me1muhahahaha
16:46.42spldarthehe
16:56.04Thumper_sh norang.ca
16:56.16Thumper_ww :-P
17:00.25blast007Enter root password:
17:01.40spldartachew
17:02.01spldartI mean daedulus
17:02.11spldartI mean obsidian
17:06.31delusional_wants some cookies too
17:13.47spldartoffers fudge mint cookies
17:18.23delusional_yummy, me likes mint
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17:22.23TheRedBaronheh, my mrs makes ungodly good cookies.
17:22.33TheRedBaronthe kind of cookies that you kill for
17:22.49me1don't you mean "godly" cookies?
17:22.58TheRedBaronand it ends up, "if you do XYZ - i'll bake you cookies!"
17:23.11TheRedBaronme1: oh no - the devil himself would behave for these chocolate chip cookies.
17:23.22me1heh
17:23.47WinnyI hear that other fictional characters would also kill for these cookies
17:23.48Winnyducks
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17:31.21spldartWould Zues be faithful to Hera for those chocolate chip cookies?
17:33.33TheRedBaronyup
17:34.01spldart:-D
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19:05.52javawizard2539Is there any specific reason why line 1133 of bzfsMessages.cxx uses bitwise AND to compare the player's status to PlayerState::DeadStatus, instead of ==?
19:09.13javawizard2539Since PlayerState::DeadStatus is 0 (which is the correct state for when players are dead), then it never is true
19:09.35javawizard2539It seems to me that it should be == instead of &, and the rest of the statements in the method should be & like they are
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19:39.20JefferyMjavawizard2539, isnt the state a bitmask?
19:40.22JefferyMyeah it is
19:40.35javawizard2539JefferyM: It is (which is why the rest should use &), but since the representation of the "dead" state is that no other bits are present, then using & to detect it won't work
19:40.52JefferyMtrue
19:41.24javawizard2539I changed it in my local code and checked that it works with a test plugin; should I check it in?
19:41.35JefferyMyou have commit access?
19:43.45blast007yeah, they do
19:43.51JefferyMthey?
19:43.54CIA-66BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r19085 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsMessages.cxx: use an == for testing death since it's a no bit mask, thanks Alexander Boyd
19:44.02blast007as in, javawizard2539
19:44.19JefferyMhis name is alexander, so I belive it's safe to assume male :)
19:44.35javawizard2539JefferyM: Actually, I do have commit access, so I could have just committed it :)
19:44.43JefferyMwell you didn't answer
19:44.51javawizard2539heh, was talking with my dad
19:44.54javawizard2539but it's no problem
19:46.22javawizard2539blast007: JefferyM is correct on my gender :)
19:46.37Erroneousgrr, conflicts ftl
19:46.53JefferyMmerry christmass :)
19:47.07JefferyMdid you upgrade the world yet Erroneous ?
19:47.36Erroneousno
19:47.40CIA-66BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r19086 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (bzfsMessages.cxx bzfsPlayerStateVerify.cxx): don't bitwise-and or bitwise-or with 0 and expect useful output.
19:48.08Erroneousdon't forget to fix all the OTHER places we do things wrong, if you fix one :)
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