IRC log for #bzflag on 20081102

00:00.09BulletCatcherlol
00:00.31dexter-lol
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00:04.48spldartHeh
00:09.04blast007JeffM2501: hehe...
00:11.32Winnypoints at his sig
00:11.40Winnyso I won't forget to tell you :P
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00:29.49sonicrules12342.0.12 is for the latest version of ubuntu, right
00:29.58sonicrules1234i mean for
00:30.04sonicrules1234wait
00:30.10blast007that's the latest release at the moment
00:30.20blast007depends if they have a package that new or not
00:30.28blast007but that's our latest stable version
00:30.59sonicrules1234i cant get it to compile
00:31.59sonicrules1234it says it needs libcurl but i have that
00:32.35sonicrules1234can someone help me
00:35.45joevanowhat is the exact error?
00:36.27sonicrules1234hold on
00:36.30joevanoplease use bzflag.pastebin.ca if it is a long error post
00:36.56joevanoerr.. pastebin.bzflag.org
00:37.05sonicrules1234well, i think i got another version of libcurl
00:37.13sonicrules1234and it kinda worked
00:37.22sonicrules1234but no client was generated
00:37.58joevanoare you compiling it?
00:38.11sonicrules1234the make finished
00:38.31sonicrules1234but it did not create the binary
00:38.40sonicrules1234yes i am compiling it
00:39.05joevanoso you got no error, yet you got no client?
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00:39.26sonicrules1234exactly
00:39.34joevanostrange
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00:54.55TheRedBaronhrm... today ends DST right ?
00:56.00spldartDoh!.. I know it's this weekend!
00:56.10spldart11/2
00:57.45spldartYep.. Fall back tonight
00:57.55spldart11/2 begins dst
01:01.53spldartAh. Finally found it. 'Fall back' at 2 am Sunday morn.
01:10.53spldartShould e:\bzflag\src\game\gametime.cxx(97) : warning C4267: 'initializing' : conversion from 'size_t' to 'const int', possible loss of data
01:10.53spldart<PROTECTED>
01:19.23BulletCatcherWe would like to fix those.  I'll take care of that one shortly.
01:19.52BulletCatcherI see there are others in the same file.
01:31.01CIA-38BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r18886 10/trunk/bzflag/src/game/GameTime.cxx: Do not needlessly convert size_t to int.
01:32.45BulletCatcherIt seems that MSVC catches those conditions, but GCC does not.
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02:01.42spldartIndeed.. That's why I was building in both linux/gcc and windows/vc everyday sometimes multi times a day during gsoc :)
02:03.28spldartAlthough I have to admit I caught more stuff more often in gcc debug. Probably cuz i'm biased towards linux builds.
02:04.02spldartlooks better after 18886 commit
02:04.11spldartTo my untrained eye
02:08.29blast007spldart: if there is any more, those probably won't show up again until you do a full rebuild, since they were warnings, not errors (the files still built properly)
02:08.44spldartAh! alt f7 right?
02:08.53blast007shrugs
02:09.03blast007I never use the keyboard shortcuts for that
02:09.31spldartnopers
02:09.33spldartepic fail
02:09.34blast007I should probably build here again at some point
02:09.40blast007been a couple months  :)
02:09.47spldartctrl alt f7
02:10.17spldartwarms up a linux machine
02:10.46blast007needs to get linux on his fast machine
02:10.59spldartLenny is getting pretty stable ;)
02:11.01blast007maybe a couple different distros
02:11.04spldartah
02:11.24spldartAnyone else notice Lenny boots faster than etch?
02:11.56blast007my etch system boots pretty quick, but then again, it's just a CLI system  ;)
02:12.11TD-LinuxLenny boots in 4 seconds
02:12.13TD-Linuxon my Wii
02:12.31TD-Linuxdebootstrapped
02:12.49blast0074 seconds?
02:12.51blast007geez
02:13.22spldartdarn!
02:13.31spldartYah know...
02:13.39spldartI haven't built for lenny yet
02:13.52spldarthunts for the 3d stuff necessary for a bz build
02:14.10blast007I think that's faster than Express Gate on my gaming system..
02:14.38blast007what is debootstrap, exactly?
02:14.57blast007just a way to install debian?
02:15.40TD-Linuxbarebones debian
02:15.42TD-Linuxaka nothing
02:15.54TD-Linuxit loads bash
02:16.10blast007ah
02:16.13blast007okay
02:16.14spldartNothing?>! purpose being?
02:16.21TheRedBaronnot even networking ?
02:16.24TD-Linuxno purpose
02:16.28spldartheh
02:16.32TD-Linuxwell it has networking
02:16.38TD-Linuxbut I have no compatable network card
02:16.41blast007Express Gate can get me into a browser in under 30 seconds  ;)
02:16.44TD-Linuxright now there are only USB drivers
02:16.51blast007I should time it, actually
02:17.01TD-Linuxthe Wii has a secondary ARM processor
02:17.10TD-Linuxwhich runs the networking and provides a high level API
02:17.13TD-Linuxwhich isn't adapted to Linux
02:17.28spldartPoop. Lenny nvidia-glx is broken at the moment... unmet dependencies
02:17.33TD-Linuxso someone needs to replace the code on the ARM or rely on ugly hax
02:17.49TD-Linuxreplacing the ARM code involves writing stuff to internal wii flash
02:18.49TD-Linuxit'll be at least a month before that gets implemented :/ 'specially because nintendo patched their last signing bug - the new bug is being kept secret until the bootloader replacement comes out
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02:20.01blast007yeah, about 26 seconds to a working browser
02:20.09blast007(firefox)
02:21.42spldartworks vigorously @ 3d accel in lenny :-/
02:21.58TD-LinuxI bet firefox takes at least half that
02:23.33blast007wonder what kind of specs would be needed to meet their "only 5 seconds to go online from bootup" claim
02:23.42blast007I've got a 3GHz C2D in there  :/
02:28.05TD-Linuxprobably a SSD
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02:34.21spldartSome warnings.. but full rebuild "= Rebuild All: 23 succeeded, 0 failed, 0 skipped =
02:34.40spldartstill trying to get a lenny install prepped for debug builds
02:34.42spldart:)
02:37.47spldart~pastebin
02:37.48ibot[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste
02:41.01spldarthttp://pastebin.com/m710b9eb8
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02:47.36spldartGrr! How do I satisfy "BZFlag client .....: no bzflag client binary! (need OpenGL)"
02:52.02JeffM2501did you install the C++ compiler
02:55.31spldartyeah
02:55.34spldart:/
02:55.50TD-Linuxyou need opengl headers
02:55.55TD-Linuxmesa-something
02:56.00JeffM2501mesa dev
02:56.07JeffM2501or nv dev if you have nvidia
02:56.17TD-LinuxI have both installed
02:56.27TD-LinuxI don't think nvidia's headers replace mesa's
02:56.37TD-LinuxI could be totally wrong though
02:56.56JeffM2501yeah it's probably not bad to have both
02:57.14spldartme is questing
02:57.44JeffM2501is trying to find out what his phone number will be
02:58.51spldartOh thanks! libglw1-mesa-dev got it
02:59.01TD-Linuxmy phone number has four consecutive 1's :D
02:59.01spldartmethinks
02:59.08JeffM2501nive
02:59.09JeffM2501nice
02:59.16JeffM2501mine will never be used
02:59.24TD-Linuxthat's cell though
02:59.25JeffM2501but it was cheaper to get the DSL if I got a phone
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03:04.47spldarthttp://pastebin.com/m19626212 deb lenny 18886
03:12.36JeffM2501zlib dev
03:12.48JeffM2501is this a new install?
03:13.29spldartyes
03:14.06spldartnew lenny install... last week.. and new 'filling in dependencies for bzflag build' right now
03:20.54spldarthttp://pastebin.com/m2061e67c
03:21.32spldartah..ints that looks like the stuff I was seeing a bit in vc build
03:27.31JeffM2501did you run autogen and configure?
03:34.52spldartis giving it a quick try
03:38.36spldartnah. Slammed into same error :(
03:39.17spldarterr.. warning ;)
03:40.03DTRemenakit's a legit constness issue on strict compilers
03:40.12DTRemenakis trying a fix now
03:41.02CIA-38BZFlag: 03brlcad * r18887 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: refactor, use textutils where relevant for string processing
03:41.18JeffM2501yeah
03:41.22JeffM2501I just fixed it
03:41.23CIA-38BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18888 10/trunk/bzflag/src/platform/wave.cxx: the tag for a chunk is const
03:41.26JeffM2501the tag should be a const
03:41.28JeffM2501try that spldart
03:41.30spldarttests
03:42.37DTRemenakwas still compiling
03:42.48DTRemenaklots of changes since I last synced
03:42.58JeffM2501quad cores helps :)
03:43.19spldartchanged fail but still fail.... pastebin coming
03:43.55spldarthttp://pastebin.com/m1ef55496
03:44.13JeffM2501did you update?
03:44.32JeffM2501that's the same error
03:45.03DTRemenakinstall libsdl1.2-dev or x11proto-xf86vidmode-dev
03:45.26spldartat 18888,
03:45.54spldartTrying that DTR
03:45.56DTRemenakconfigure couldn't find sdl, so it's trying to build the x platform; new xorgs don't have the headers anymore
03:46.04spldartah
03:46.05DTRemenakgot split into a module
03:46.34DTRemenakso you either need to set up sdl so we can find it, or install the x module that has the right headers
03:46.47spldart:( me has to run in a few... errand.. but trying a rebuild real quick
03:47.04DTRemenakhas seen that error too much recently, so will add a configure check
03:49.59spldarthttp://pastebin.com/m60ef097d
03:50.15spldartLenny isn't the most stable either... at least yet.
03:50.32DTRemenakshadowed variable, you can fix it
03:50.35spldartAlready ran into a major memory leak on another combination of apps working together... A SEVERE one
03:50.55DTRemenakyou have commit access, right?
03:51.05spldartic.. I'll look later. I gotta run an errand now... yes I do ;)
04:13.59CIA-38BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r18889 10/trunk/bzflag/configure.ac: Many modern linuces no longer ship the XF86VidMode extension. If we're attempting to build an X platform, do a real check for xf86vm, regardless of OS.
04:21.42CIA-38BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r18890 10/trunk/bzflag/src/platform/XDisplay.cxx: shadowed variable
04:30.54spldartdoh..
04:30.56spldart:)
04:31.11CIA-38BZFlag: 03brlcad * r18891 10/trunk/bzflag/include/TextUtils.h: add a skipWhitespace routine since we seem to do that a lot
04:32.38CIA-38BZFlag: 03brlcad * r18892 10/trunk/bzflag/ (include/CommandManager.h src/common/CommandManager.cxx): use the skipWhitespace in TextUtils
04:36.31CIA-38BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r18893 10/trunk/bzflag/README.Linux:
04:36.31CIA-38BZFlag: xf86vidmode should not be needed to build without SDL on linux anymore, you just
04:36.31CIA-38BZFlag: won't get res changes without it. If we were serious about non-SDL X platform
04:36.31CIA-38BZFlag: support we would probably implement an alternative with Xrandr, which is better
04:36.31CIA-38BZFlag: anyway.
04:38.22AAA_awrightI get an error: "flags not supported by this client: L"
04:38.45DTRemenakpft, you don't need lasers anyway :P
04:39.03AAA_awrightI assume it is mishandling the null character. This is with the latest server version, but the client is a few hours old.
04:39.39AAA_awrightbrlcad and JeffM2501: You were playing with the flag packing functions, I assume it is that
04:40.01AAA_awright(I should wait until I test the client)
04:40.36JeffM2501was only responding to an error report
04:40.45JeffM2501has little to do with all this tomfoolery
04:41.46CIA-38BZFlag: 03brlcad * r18894 10/trunk/bzflag/include/TextUtils.h: add the opposite, skipNonWhitespace, too
04:42.09AAA_awrightYeah, nvm, it was the client
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04:47.14spldartI have lenny/bztrunk running :)
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04:53.46CIA-38BZFlag: 03brlcad * r18895 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ (CommandsImplementation.cxx bzflag.cxx): use textutils for whitespace skippage
05:12.26Flashis each character in the Advance() call turned into a Glyph?
05:15.11AAA_awrightNow that was a wierd bug
05:15.35AAA_awrightI can't replicate it, but after picking up MG and firing for a while, it reported I only had 19 of my 20 bullets
05:16.30AAA_awrightAlso, since I have mouse wheel down set as one of the fire buttons, MG starts firing without me doing anything when I pick it up
05:16.40AAA_awrightin 2.0 and trunk
05:16.52AAA_awrightIt won't stop until I click
05:17.02FlashI have mouse wheel set as well, and I don't see that
05:17.12Flashmust be your mouse
05:18.44AAA_awright:/
05:23.24Constitutionhappens to me too
05:23.45ConstitutionI think it has something to do with whether you have it bound to "down" or "up"
05:27.59AAA_awrightConstitution: If you have a copy of Trunk on you, would you give your thoughts on this new shot indicator? http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/1242933
05:28.03AAA_awrightAnd time of course
05:29.16CIA-38BZFlag: 03brlcad * r18896 10/trunk/bzflag/include/ParseColor.h: need common before system headers
05:30.38CIA-38BZFlag: 03brlcad * r18897 10/trunk/bzflag/src/common/ParseColor.cxx: use skipWhitespace and header cleanup
05:32.59ConstitutionI've been out of it for a while... I'll see if I can update and patch it
05:33.52AAA_awrightIf you are not doing anything, sure
05:34.20ConstitutionI am doing things, but I'll let this run at the same time :)
05:42.30Flashbrlcad: ready to think about the font thing?
05:45.18AAA_awrightIt happened again, I can only fire 19 times, not 20
05:45.39AAA_awrightThat last shot is hanging up at the top
05:52.41AAA_awrightI got it down to 17 (3 stuck shots)
06:00.29AAA_awrightI have 5 stuck shots now... and debug mode isn't enabled :(
06:08.30Flashbrlcad: when you get to this, consider that FontSizer::_charWide and _charTall are not initialized on construction
06:08.52Flashbut they are multiplied by a string width to estimate an actual width (line 141)
06:09.03Flashthat causes a loop that drives too tightly
06:09.15FlashI just don't know what a reasonable default value should be
06:10.03CIA-38BZFlag: 03brlcad * r18898 10/trunk/bzflag/src/ (9 files in 5 dirs): use textutils for whitespace skippage all over the place. lots of potential for subtle issues here, but the changes were checked twice and tested (for once, at least).
06:23.49CIA-38BZFlag: 03brlcad * r18899 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/FontSizer.cxx: set up some basic defaults for the character sizing. there is potential for them to be used uninitialized if setMin wasn't called beforehand.
06:24.04brlcadFlash: yeah, got it
06:24.09brlcadthough I
06:24.26brlcaddon't think that was part of the problem
06:24.31FlashI think so
06:24.36FlashI caught it in the debugger
06:24.45Flashset a trap if font size < 3
06:25.10brlcadwell give it a go, but I still get assertion failures
06:25.21Flashand the zeroToOneSize is really tiny
06:25.29brlcadoh, my build may be incomplete.. testing
06:26.22FlashI get a compile error on commands.cxx
06:26.28CIA-38BZFlag: 03brlcad * r18900 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: case typo
06:26.55Flashyeah, that
06:27.17brlcadyeah, I still get the assertion failure
06:27.48brlcadregardless, it'd be kinda hard for that sort of problem to cause stack corruption
06:27.59Flashthe underlying problem is that the bitmap is larger than the font size
06:28.13Flashor at least the margin requested
06:28.46brlcadthere's two underlying problems, that being one
06:28.54brlcads/larger/smaller/
06:29.17brlcadbut it shouldn't be requesting a font that small in the first place (3x7 is too small)
06:29.29Flashright, but I think FonSizer is forcing that
06:29.56brlcadthat doesn't make it not a bug
06:30.25Flash_charWide is 0 again
06:30.30Flashor still
06:30.55brlcadthe size padding happens in ftgl is probably a bug and could probably be dealt with, but only happens on impossibly small fonts too
06:35.23brlcadfontsizer probably deserves a solid review
06:35.46brlcadthose charwide/tall values really shouldn't matter -- they're only used to help with default gridded placements
06:36.05Flashstill, multiplying by 0 is usually not what one wants
06:37.01brlcadthat's entirely speculation -- would have to review the logic
06:37.31brlcadlooking at those lines, they're just used to set curWide .. which is only used for debug printing
06:37.38brlcadthat doesn't exactly seem critical
06:39.16brlcadhangs up the keyboard for a bit
06:39.43Flashit's probably a bit higher
06:40.25Flashat that point, the call to getStringWidth is already calling with font size 2
06:41.46brlcadwhich was my point, there's badness happening much earlier
06:42.10Flashnot too much earlier, I think, just one step up the call stack
06:43.04brlcadcould fix the result to behave better with tiny values, but they're nonsense sizes -- it's something going bad earlier (which could be anywhere earlier with stack stompage)
06:44.07FlashBZDB.eval("scoreFontSize") == 0.0078125
06:46.10Flashthat seems pretty small to me
06:46.59Flashof course, tha does appear to be the default (1/128)
06:47.08Flashthat looks wrong
06:48.42Flashthe variables are being misused
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07:19.42delusional~svn
07:19.43ibotSubversion (aka SVN) is version control software that aims to be a better CVS than CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/.
07:19.58delusional~bzsvn
07:19.59ibot[bzsvn] http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag bzflag
07:22.39ashgadgetshey del
07:22.53ashgadgetsyou are owner of Mofo?
07:22.54delusionalhello ash
07:23.50ashgadgetsdelusional you are owner of mofo right??
07:24.05delusionali pay the bills
07:24.22ashgadgetswhat do we do to get a bill board?
07:24.51delusionalmake a donation to me
07:24.56ashgadgetsok
07:24.57delusionalmake a billboard
07:25.12ashgadgetsany free billboards?
07:25.17delusionalor we can make it for you.
07:25.27delusionalthere have been, in the past
07:25.58ashgadgets<PROTECTED>
07:26.51Flashashgadgets: /join #planetmofo
07:27.08ashgadgets<PROTECTED>
07:27.17Flashno space ;-)
07:27.28ashgadgetsk
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14:08.56delusional~bzsvn
14:08.57ibotbzsvn is probably http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag bzflag
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16:12.48BulletCatcherspldart: Please update the README.Linux file as needed with the packages you needed to install so you could compile BZFlag.
16:19.44spldartI was thinking just that. But I'll have to start over since I ended up installing stuff I did not need. You speak of lenny correct?
16:24.55BulletCatcherYes.  Currently there is a section for Debian/Ubuntu, but if Lenny has special requirements then that should be noted.  Thanks.
16:28.35spldartThought so.. I had a nice comprehensive list for requirements and dependencies for etch made up quite a while ago. But lenny had a couple surprises.. But then again... It's not completely stable. heh
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21:19.27JeffM2501blast007: you own a zune?
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22:49.39blast007JeffM2501: yeah
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23:02.00me1my friend has a zune, it's pretty nice, except he pluged a power plug into the headphone plug, and it smoked.
23:02.21Winny..nice
23:02.22blast007so, it *was* pretty nice..
23:02.48Winnyblast007: no. is.
23:02.48Winny;)
23:03.16blast007even after it was burning?
23:04.12me1it still works, just the headphone plug doesn't work.
23:04.48me1though I don't know what went though his mind. "I wonder what happens if I do this... *zap*"
23:06.11blast007fun
23:21.29delusionalthat's my standard operating procedure!
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