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| 02:02.16 | rwt | Hi. |
| 02:04.12 | rwt | I have the "Proxy network ban" message on few servers. What's "proxy network"? A vendetta?;-) |
| 02:04.46 | brlcad | sounds like you're connecting through a proxy server |
| 02:05.04 | brlcad | and those bzflag servers don't allow that |
| 02:05.41 | rwt | No, I'm onion router, but I'm not connecting by it. And it's not possible to route by my router on ports of bzflag. |
| 02:05.57 | rwt | It's blocked strictly by rules... |
| 02:06.40 | rwt | Hm... |
| 02:07.11 | rwt | What can I do? It seems it's some global ban, but not master ban. The same message. |
| 02:20.15 | brlcad | hm, well it's done by those servers so you could try talking to an admin on one of those servers |
| 02:21.28 | brlcad | either way, it's that same fact that your going for anonymous communication that they're blocking you |
| 02:22.02 | brlcad | that's usually someone intentionally trying to cause trouble |
| 02:22.10 | brlcad | 99 times out of a 100 at least |
| 02:22.22 | brlcad | so you may be able to get them to whitelist you |
| 02:26.18 | rwt | Ok. |
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| 03:14.45 | AAA_awright | brlcad: Tor cannot handle UDP, if the client can establish a UDP connection, isn't that sufficent to prove they are not using Tor? |
| 03:14.59 | AAA_awright | Is it possible to program that into the plugin currently? |
| 03:19.33 | brlcad | the problem isn't just tor |
| 03:19.53 | brlcad | it's any proxy, there are plenty that'll pass udp through |
| 03:20.51 | AAA_awright | For the torblock specifically though. I wasn't aware the tor nodes list tracked other proxies...? |
| 03:21.08 | brlcad | also, bzfs already has a udp-required option that ops could use if that was what they wanted |
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| 03:48.45 | CIA-48 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r18584 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/KeyboardMapMenu.cxx: |
| 03:48.45 | CIA-48 | BZFlag: Remove duplicate call to update(). |
| 03:48.45 | CIA-48 | BZFlag: Thanks to ngc (Skeeve) for suggesting this change. |
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| 04:00.08 | blast007 | brlcad: don't think a whilelist will work for tor block (the ban is handled by a plugin, not bzfs itself) |
| 04:00.22 | blast007 | so the torBlock plugin would need a modification to allow a whitelist |
| 04:01.22 | blast007 | and I think some other servers block tor nodes at the firewall level |
| 04:02.32 | swigg | Why allow proxies at all? Do they really serve any function? |
| 04:02.47 | blast007 | swigg: huh? |
| 04:03.11 | blast007 | I'm specifically talking about the torBlock plugin |
| 04:03.42 | swigg | I thought it was about whitelisting non tor proxies |
| 04:04.01 | blast007 | no, whitelisting a specific tor node |
| 04:04.13 | blast007 | there was a conversation from before you joined |
| 04:04.39 | blast007 | a user runs a tor node, but they don't play through it. However, because their IP was on the tor node list, it was blocking them from playing. |
| 04:04.44 | swigg | well. since the nodes rotate, don't they whitelist themselves? |
| 04:05.07 | blast007 | what? |
| 04:05.18 | swigg | the nodes expire |
| 04:05.24 | swigg | every few minutes |
| 04:05.43 | blast007 | the exit nodes don't change ever few minutes |
| 04:06.03 | blast007 | they change when the computer running the node changes IP, sure |
| 04:06.17 | blast007 | or the overall list changes often, since some computers and turned off/on |
| 04:06.47 | swigg | why not just tell the blacklisted users to stop using tor while playing? |
| 04:07.12 | swigg | I'd think it would be a pretty small group |
| 04:07.17 | blast007 | because we can't easily determine if they are using tor, or if they are running a tor node |
| 04:07.27 | blast007 | just running* |
| 04:07.42 | AAA_awright | blast007: Yes we can, Tor does not support UDP |
| 04:08.19 | blast007 | AAA_awright: sure, that's one way |
| 04:08.20 | AAA_awright | Maybe you could set up a UDP over TCP tunnel or whatever, but if you can do that you don't need Tor in the first place |
| 04:08.22 | blast007 | not perfect though |
| 04:08.49 | blast007 | well, if you were tunneling, I think you'd need a client and a server app to combine/split it at the ends |
| 04:08.52 | AAA_awright | It would identify the legitimate users 100% correctly |
| 04:09.01 | blast007 | yeah |
| 04:09.14 | blast007 | but I think the number of users that run tor nodes and also play is quite slim |
| 04:09.19 | blast007 | not really worth the time to implement |
| 04:09.26 | AAA_awright | Does that mean we leave them out? |
| 04:09.37 | blast007 | sure |
| 04:09.40 | swigg | kinda my point right there. Very few affected |
| 04:09.45 | AAA_awright | ... |
| 04:09.47 | blast007 | I really don't care if I drop a few players |
| 04:09.52 | AAA_awright | I do |
| 04:09.54 | blast007 | 99% of servers don't run the plugin |
| 04:10.00 | blast007 | it's not something built in to the server |
| 04:10.10 | blast007 | the server owner has to load the plugin |
| 04:10.20 | blast007 | so oh well, they can't play on a handful of computers, big deal |
| 04:10.23 | swigg | and where it is loaded it is badly needed |
| 04:10.25 | blast007 | servers* |
| 04:10.44 | blast007 | like I said, some servers even ban tor nodes at the firewall level |
| 04:10.49 | blast007 | you can't really do a UDP check there :P |
| 04:11.00 | blast007 | if you want to play, turn off tor and wait a while |
| 04:11.43 | swigg | any idea on the actual number of complaints and how the problem was identified? |
| 04:12.19 | blast007 | if the node info gives what ports are allowed, we could only block nodes that allow the server port |
| 04:15.30 | AAA_awright | swigg: One and climbing :p |
| 04:18.11 | swigg | or just put in a filter on the udp+ check? |
| 04:19.59 | blast007 | you'd have to expose that to the plugin API |
| 04:20.09 | blast007 | really, it's not worth our time |
| 04:27.23 | AAA_awright | patches welcome :p |
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| 07:55.20 | Skeeve | DTRemenak? Are you there? |
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| 14:02.03 | ts | How can I find out the bzid of a certain player that is not online right now? |
| 14:03.22 | a_temp_dist | ts, if you have access to a log where they have joined, it is recorded there |
| 14:03.48 | ts | I don't |
| 14:03.56 | ts | I know the player name, though |
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| 15:33.31 | blast007 | ts: look for a post they made on the forum, and then look at their user profile URL |
| 15:36.21 | ts | blast007: What if the one does not have posted? |
| 15:36.55 | blast007 | then you can use the "Members" link at the top, sort it alphabetically, and go through until you find them :P |
| 15:37.07 | ts | Heh, lot of fun :) |
| 15:37.37 | blast007 | I think phpBB3 exposes a better member search |
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| 16:05.24 | BulletCatcher | ts: In the forums, sending a private message has a search-by-name feature that should get the job done. You don't have to actually send a PM. |
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| 16:16.29 | Constitution | morning JeffM |
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| 16:20.53 | JeffM | hallo |
| 16:21.26 | pacman87 | hi |
| 16:32.20 | JeffM | wow, it's been a while since I've seen a gold farmer add on the boards. |
| 16:33.31 | pacman87 | since when did bzflag use gold? :) |
| 16:33.50 | JeffM | they just find generic gaming sites |
| 16:39.21 | BulletCatcher | I wonder how much gold the elusive ST+CL flag costs. ;-) |
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| 16:40.31 | JeffM | 0 |
| 16:40.39 | JeffM | all you have to do is fork |
| 16:42.01 | Pryon | Are there CL flags oin Louman's "mystic valley" (or whatever it's called)"? |
| 16:42.13 | Pryon | The one with the butterfiles |
| 16:42.20 | Pryon | *sigh* |
| 16:42.27 | BulletCatcher | I think there are. |
| 16:42.44 | Constitution | Pryon: download the map and look :) |
| 16:42.50 | Pryon | there's your CL+ST then (effectively :-) |
| 16:43.29 | Pryon | I know there are ST flags on that map, but there' no radar, so... |
| 16:43.45 | BulletCatcher | That is close, but you can still right-click to identify, or hunt someone with CL to get a hint of where they are. |
| 16:44.28 | BulletCatcher | ST defeats that technique. |
| 16:44.28 | Pryon | Ah, never considered hunting on that map. I predict a reign of terror! |
| 16:47.55 | BulletCatcher | Hunting *everyone* on no-radar maps can help a lot. |
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| 16:57.52 | brlcad | blast007: hm, I know, but it was a way to get him talking to them ;) |
| 16:58.44 | brlcad | the plugin could be made to obey the whitelist too |
| 17:00.13 | blast007 | sure, assuming it's actually worth the effort ;) |
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| 17:35.07 | Thumper_ | Pryon: yes there's 1 CL with a shot limit |
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| 18:01.06 | Skeeve | Did someone read this? I have a feeling I can't describe well enough. http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=13115 |
| 18:04.13 | brlcad | Skeeve: I did |
| 18:05.14 | brlcad | the menu doesn't respond to mouse/joystick inputs because it's been specifically designed that way (for better or worse) |
| 18:05.25 | brlcad | the reason for that is so that you can keep playing even while the menus are up |
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| 18:10.17 | brlcad | not that it can't be allowed, but that's why it's the way it is |
| 18:10.44 | JeffM | yeah you'd have to go into a special mode to trap it just during that one item |
| 18:36.07 | Skeeve | Yes. I knew why it is that way and that's why I asked for ideas how to implement this just in the special case when no game is on. |
| 18:36.41 | Skeeve | But what do you think about how I did implement it, meaning: Having to press Return while pointing the stick into the direction wanted |
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| 18:57.46 | *** topic/#bzflag is Topic for #bzflag is: http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || 2.0.12 is the latest linux release, 2.0.10 for others || GSoC 2008, mentor blog at http://tanks4code.blogspot.com |
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| 19:30.36 | Skeeve | Menno :-( SO bad that it isn't worth a reply? |
| 19:33.08 | Macrosoft | Skeeve: who's Menno? |
| 19:33.37 | Skeeve | You don't know him I guess. But he's well known to any german child |
| 19:33.51 | Macrosoft | oh |
| 19:34.47 | Skeeve | Menno is often named in sentences like "Menno! Das ist unfair!" loosly translatable to "Oh man! That's unfair!" |
| 19:35.08 | Macrosoft | ahh |
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| 20:22.30 | brlcad | Skeeve: sounds really clunky to have to swap between keys and joy/mouse |
| 20:22.50 | brlcad | if you can't just 'click', doesn't seem really valuable |
| 20:24.11 | JeffM | write an external joystick configurator app that sets the stuff in the config :) |
| 20:24.14 | Skeeve | Bt at least it's a way to set the axis without having to know which is which |
| 20:24.34 | JeffM | honestly.. not many people use sticks |
| 20:25.25 | Skeeve | I'm a Nintendo 64 and GameCube player. I'm used to gamepads (a.k.a. joysticks) |
| 20:26.09 | JeffM | and how long did it take you to figure out what each axis was? |
| 20:26.27 | Skeeve | several minutes |
| 20:26.44 | Skeeve | and several invocations of the menu |
| 20:26.58 | JeffM | sure to a max of 3 :) |
| 20:27.17 | Skeeve | 3? |
| 20:27.21 | Skeeve | Why 3? |
| 20:27.35 | JeffM | but yeah I'd not realy do a heroic effort to change the way we do menus just to have a better stick detector |
| 20:27.46 | Skeeve | BTW: First I didn't even know what was meant by the numbers |
| 20:27.48 | JeffM | bahh dualshock |
| 20:27.53 | JeffM | ok 7 ;) |
| 20:28.02 | JeffM | sure names would be best |
| 20:28.08 | JeffM | but SDL dosn't have em |
| 20:28.12 | JeffM | you could use windows |
| 20:28.13 | JeffM | it has names |
| 20:28.17 | JeffM | ;) |
| 20:28.20 | brlcad | make a joystick menu |
| 20:28.34 | JeffM | yeah a seperate "game device" page would be best |
| 20:28.35 | brlcad | so if a joystick is detected, there's a menu for it that lets you set things up |
| 20:28.38 | JeffM | then it can be specific |
| 20:28.39 | Skeeve | Problem is: Joystick movement still is not an event |
| 20:28.45 | Skeeve | But I have a new idea |
| 20:28.51 | Skeeve | Tell me how you like it |
| 20:28.57 | brlcad | I hate it |
| 20:29.04 | brlcad | ;) |
| 20:29.04 | Skeeve | :-P |
| 20:29.06 | Skeeve | :-P |
| 20:29.11 | JeffM | thinks it needs more Ninjas |
| 20:29.12 | Skeeve | three times :-P |
| 20:29.34 | Skeeve | Shall I explain or not? |
| 20:31.25 | Skeeve | okay |
| 20:31.28 | Skeeve | bye hten |
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| 20:32.53 | JeffM | twitchy aint' he? |
| 20:33.32 | brlcad | apparently |
| 20:33.38 | JeffM | does a 14 core bzflag build |
| 20:34.00 | brlcad | that's all ya got? pfft :) |
| 20:34.02 | JeffM | damn.. need direct X |
| 20:34.06 | JeffM | it's up from 12 |
| 20:34.13 | spldart | 14 cores? |
| 20:34.16 | spldart | Man! |
| 20:34.41 | Winny | that's more cores then I have :( |
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| 20:41.45 | JeffM | only 4 of them are mine |
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| 20:58.34 | Gnurdux | what does directx have to do with 14 cores? |
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| 21:04.02 | JeffM | bzflag needs directX |
| 21:04.08 | JeffM | I can not build untill I have it |
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| 21:16.13 | JeffM | there we go, one full build, all plugins, 2 min, 8 seconds :) |
| 21:32.48 | Winny | JeffM: spammer: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=13130 |
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| 21:33.33 | Winny | he's putting them in a few forums |
| 21:34.31 | Winny | quite a few in Players |
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| 21:48.31 | pacman87 | L4m3r: ping |
| 21:49.00 | JeffM | should be good now |
| 21:49.16 | JeffM | I sent them a nice email |
| 21:56.37 | brlcad | pacman87: nice stats |
| 21:56.48 | pacman87 | brlcad: hmmm? |
| 21:57.00 | brlcad | noticed you're pretty high on the stats board :) |
| 21:57.16 | pacman87 | ... that wasn't legit |
| 21:57.27 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:57.43 | pacman87 | but my score did wrap at 32767 |
| 21:57.45 | brlcad | nobody needs to know that :) |
| 21:57.56 | brlcad | hah, nice |
| 21:58.22 | pacman87 | i did that in 16-bit tetris for win 3.1, too |
| 21:58.55 | brlcad | wow, that's kinda .. |
| 21:58.57 | pacman87 | but that one was legit, and the scoreboard still sorts properly, with -25k at the top of the list |
| 21:59.00 | brlcad | compulsive/obsessive ;) |
| 21:59.13 | pacman87 | it was a long time ago |
| 21:59.26 | pacman87 | and i started from level 9 |
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