| 00:00.39 | SpazzyMcGee | I'm gonna go to bed |
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| 00:22.42 | Ebert_ | anyone know what happened to strayer's :o |
| 00:22.55 | me1 | it's strayed off |
| 00:22.58 | Ebert_ | been several days |
| 00:25.15 | me1 | really? it seems to work for me |
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| 00:27.29 | blast007 | works here |
| 00:27.36 | blast007 | Ebert_: the bzstats.strayer.de ? |
| 00:28.20 | Ebert_ | oh its back up then |
| 00:28.35 | Ebert_ | i didnt let it time to load a sec ago |
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| 04:50.21 | CIA-48 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r18564 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/ftgl/src/Makefile.am: |
| 04:50.21 | CIA-48 | BZFlag: Provide support for automake 1.6.3 as included in XCode 3.4.1 on MacOS 10.4, which uses AM_CPPFLAGS where automake 1.10 uses libftgl_la_CPPFLAGS. |
| 04:50.22 | CIA-48 | BZFlag: This should resolve SF bug 2117545. |
| 04:50.22 | CIA-48 | BZFlag: Thanks to ngc (Skeeve) for pointing in the right direction. |
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| 07:07.18 | Deadalot | Anyone here? |
| 07:07.58 | BulletCatcher | You're up late. |
| 07:08.03 | Deadalot | Yeah |
| 07:08.22 | Deadalot | I just updated my bzfs server to 2.0.12 and now the teleporters don't work. Any ideas? |
| 07:08.51 | BulletCatcher | If I recall correctly, there is a change in the way teleporter labeling works. |
| 07:08.58 | Deadalot | Aha |
| 07:09.07 | BulletCatcher | You should use either numbers, or names, but not both. |
| 07:09.08 | Deadalot | Where can i look it up? |
| 07:09.47 | Deadalot | name example_teleporter1 |
| 07:09.51 | Deadalot | That won't work? |
| 07:10.21 | BulletCatcher | I think that's okay, but then you should use names for all of them. |
| 07:10.24 | Deadalot | Or if there are teleporters using numbers, they all have to use numbers? |
| 07:10.27 | Deadalot | I see |
| 07:10.34 | BulletCatcher | Use one scheme or the other. |
| 07:10.35 | Deadalot | I'll have to look |
| 07:11.40 | Deadalot | The all have text names |
| 07:12.06 | BulletCatcher | Hmm. That's the only thing I remember being mentioned. |
| 07:12.24 | Deadalot | good thing I saved the old executable. |
| 07:12.32 | BulletCatcher | Yay, backups. |
| 07:12.49 | Deadalot | I still have the compile directory, too. |
| 07:13.49 | Deadalot | I did yardwork all day. Fell asleep early. Woke up aboiut 1 am. |
| 07:14.10 | BulletCatcher | So much for a normal sleep schedule. |
| 07:14.15 | Deadalot | lol |
| 07:14.26 | BulletCatcher | Other than bzfs code changes there shouldn't be much in the way of other differences between 2.0.10 and 2.0.12, so the data trees should be compatible. |
| 07:14.41 | Deadalot | I'm on this freakin diet and it's killing my energy |
| 07:14.45 | Deadalot | I was on 2.0.8 |
| 07:15.35 | Deadalot | I was on another map tonight and someone was telling me I was a jerk for banning them. |
| 07:15.38 | BulletCatcher | Even 2.0.8 -> 2.0.12 should be mostly the same, but if you have the new tree then you might as well use it. |
| 07:16.02 | Deadalot | I said, You got yourself on the global ban list and I'm a jerk? |
| 07:16.11 | BulletCatcher | Exactly. |
| 07:16.33 | Deadalot | They were always on there with cheat clients |
| 07:17.10 | Deadalot | Ok, well I'll try to nut this thing out or put back the old one. |
| 07:17.18 | BulletCatcher | I have never seen any value in engaging with repeat cheaters. Just ban on sight and try to forget them. |
| 07:18.05 | Deadalot | 2.0.8 doesn't seem to save the cheat list that is added in the game. That is why I was trying to get a newer one running. |
| 07:18.48 | BulletCatcher | If you ask tomorrow during the day there is a better chance that someone will be around who knows more about the teleporter changes. |
| 07:18.48 | Deadalot | I have it configured thusly -banfile "/bin/banfile.txt" |
| 07:19.02 | Deadalot | I'm in chroot |
| 07:19.30 | BulletCatcher | I don't see a problem with that. |
| 07:19.49 | Deadalot | I know it's a good path because -world "/bin/EriaZiel.bzw" |
| 07:20.11 | Deadalot | Computers |
| 07:21.26 | BulletCatcher | The quotes shouldn't be necessary. |
| 07:21.38 | Deadalot | ok |
| 07:22.22 | BulletCatcher | They shouldn't make a difference on the command line, but in a config file they would probably not be parsed the way you expect. |
| 07:24.29 | Deadalot | No difference, but I'll leave them without quotes. All the teleporters are just drive through. They don't connect. I'll try again later today to see if anyone has a handle on it. |
| 07:24.55 | Deadalot | Or I can look at the configuration from a working world, I guess. |
| 07:25.14 | BulletCatcher | That would be too easy. :-) |
| 07:25.20 | Deadalot | ;-) |
| 07:25.41 | Deadalot | Sometimes I scare me like that. |
| 07:27.36 | Deadalot | Aha, syntax change for the links. |
| 07:27.58 | Deadalot | Used to be numbers. Now is teleportname:f or b |
| 07:28.18 | Deadalot | I like it. It makes a lot more sense than the old way. |
| 07:30.05 | BulletCatcher | Glad you figured it out. |
| 07:32.21 | Deadalot | Me too. I'd rather get it working. |
| 07:44.40 | Deadalot | 4 fixed, 4 to go. |
| 08:28.25 | Deadalot | All better now |
| 08:35.45 | Deadalot | BuletCatcher, you still here? |
| 08:52.30 | Deadalot | sleeps |
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| 11:06.30 | AHA | An admin may want to ban this user, they're making random spam posts |
| 11:06.30 | AHA | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=33874 |
| 11:16.17 | ts | AHA: I think it'll last a few hours until the posts are removed |
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| 13:07.46 | whodaman- | BZBB admins: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=33874 |
| 13:07.47 | whodaman- | spammer |
| 13:11.02 | whodaman- | yawn |
| 13:19.01 | blast007 | wee... |
| 13:21.25 | blast007 | uh... "Sorry, but you can only delete your own posts" ? |
| 13:22.05 | blast007 | oh, someone else deleted some of them ;D |
| 13:22.12 | brlcad | got them all |
| 13:22.40 | blast007 | noticed :) |
| 13:29.43 | whodaman- | blast007, pwnt! |
| 13:29.45 | whodaman- | thx |
| 13:29.46 | whodaman- | :) |
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| 13:30.58 | lukstr_ | waves |
| 13:36.29 | lukstr_ | Is there a naming convention for classes/functions/variables? |
| 13:47.16 | blast007 | brlcad: is there a reason you didn't delete their account? |
| 13:53.02 | BulletCatcher | The DEVINFO file says nothing about naming conventions, but I see a tendency for the names of classes and public types and variables to start with a capital letter and for most other things to start with a lower case letter. |
| 13:53.03 | BulletCatcher | Multiple words in names are almost always delineated by starting each word with a capital letter rather than separating them with underscores. |
| 13:53.22 | lukstr_ | ~botmail for JeffM: Your notes on parsing are essentially what's going to happen, but instead of a while parsing loop the parser will probably use functors to add objects, but essentially the same thing |
| 13:54.03 | lukstr_ | Ah, I'm a fan of seperating words in variable names with underscores |
| 13:55.55 | BulletCatcher | Most of the underscore separation I see in BZFlag code occurs in macro names. |
| 13:58.43 | lukstr_ | well as long as no one shoots me |
| 13:58.48 | brlcad | blast007: not particularly |
| 13:58.59 | CIA-48 | BZFlag: 03lukstr * r18565 10/branches/gsoc_libbzw/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Resolved conflicts with working copy, indentation |
| 13:59.17 | brlcad | lukstr_: what BulletCatcher said |
| 13:59.22 | BulletCatcher | If someone is offended enough they'll just change it. :-) |
| 13:59.33 | brlcad | basically, follow the existing style is the rule that kicks in |
| 14:00.04 | lukstr_ | so numberOfObjects rather than number_of_objects ? |
| 14:00.11 | brlcad | CamelCase for classes, MACRO_NAMES and defines with underscores, vars in lowercase, etc |
| 14:00.28 | lukstr_ | the only question I have is for var names |
| 14:00.35 | brlcad | for vars and members, I really dont' think it matters |
| 14:00.38 | lukstr_ | everything else conforms with my style :P |
| 14:00.43 | lukstr_ | alright :) |
| 14:01.15 | brlcad | just don't go changing everything because of that style |
| 14:01.45 | BulletCatcher | brlcad: Is it worth adding some words about it to DEVINFO? |
| 14:01.46 | lukstr_ | that's how I had things before anyways |
| 14:01.59 | brlcad | it'd suck to have vars both camel'd and under'd in the same file |
| 14:02.19 | lukstr_ | that's what just happened |
| 14:03.27 | brlcad | BulletCatcher: formatting point #7 |
| 14:04.22 | brlcad | could mention vars, but the implication already is no underscores (which is fine too) for vars even if it's not a big deal |
| 14:04.32 | BulletCatcher | Yep. I skipped right past that. |
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| 14:05.42 | lukstr_ | ah fair enough, I managed to miss that one too |
| 14:20.28 | brlcad | notes lukstr_ also missed the part about curly braces :P |
| 14:24.01 | Manu | good morning brlcad :) |
| 14:24.06 | Manu | ~coffee brlcad |
| 14:24.06 | ibot | ACTION steals some of pacman87's special coffee and gives it to brlcad on a silver platter. |
| 14:24.10 | brlcad | howdy Manu |
| 14:24.31 | Manu | fine, you? |
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| 14:26.35 | lukstr_ | nooo, what'd I miss, had to run to next lecture |
| 14:28.39 | brlcad | cuddle braces, not bsd/allman |
| 14:29.14 | brlcad | should be using k&r or bsd knf style, not allman |
| 14:29.32 | lukstr_ | me? |
| 14:29.36 | lukstr_ | or in general |
| 14:29.40 | brlcad | jeff's the sole polluter of the wrong style and he only gets away with it due to history |
| 14:29.58 | brlcad | you and in general :) |
| 14:30.00 | lukstr_ | I usually cuddle empty braces |
| 14:30.32 | lukstr_ | why K&R though? |
| 14:31.30 | brlcad | why what? |
| 14:31.54 | lukstr_ | why pro K&R? I've never seen any benefit to use it, unless you're a hater of file lengths |
| 14:32.27 | brlcad | because it's a bikeshed issue and it's more important to be consistent throughout the codebase |
| 14:32.41 | lukstr_ | fooey |
| 14:32.48 | brlcad | the same can be said of just about any style |
| 14:33.09 | brlcad | it's just familiarity, code in them all long enough and it really doesn't matter which you pick |
| 14:33.13 | lukstr_ | likes it when his code lines up |
| 14:33.15 | brlcad | they all have subtle tradeoffs |
| 14:33.32 | brlcad | sure, everyone has their preference .. that's what makes it such a horrible bikeshed issue |
| 14:33.36 | lukstr_ | my issue is personal, I coded k&r for years before I finally learned not to |
| 14:33.52 | brlcad | it's just way more important that it be consistent than it fit anyone's personal preference |
| 14:34.03 | lukstr_ | that's faiir |
| 14:34.09 | lukstr_ | with two i's |
| 14:35.02 | swigg | The term 686.. does it refer to iTanuim processors only? |
| 14:35.06 | brlcad | as for the actual "technical" benefit is that you can put more code into context on a display, which can be a huge benefit to many situations |
| 14:35.41 | brlcad | since most displays are, for better or worse, vertically limited |
| 14:36.45 | lukstr_ | has 1024x600 |
| 14:36.47 | blast007 | swigg: no, itanium isn't 686 |
| 14:36.56 | brlcad | exactly |
| 14:37.32 | brlcad | even when it's 6kx2k, it's not enough vertically |
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| 14:41.05 | lukstr_ | oh, after svn up'ing jeffm's code I had a lot of tabs floating around, his end or mine? |
| 14:41.52 | lukstr_ | I just want to make sure my... wait, I don't think I have my svn set up right on this machine |
| 14:42.32 | brlcad | probably his |
| 14:42.48 | brlcad | like I said, he's by far the worst style offender :) |
| 14:42.56 | lukstr_ | haha |
| 14:42.58 | brlcad | all part of his subversive plan to convert the world to java style |
| 14:43.36 | lukstr_ | D: |
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| 14:50.29 | lukstr | smoked all his terms D: |
| 14:53.02 | lukstr | that was bad |
| 14:59.35 | brlcad | sounds like a lot of weed |
| 15:01.29 | lukstr | my terminals didn't want to go transparent :( |
| 15:01.32 | lukstr | so they all left me |
| 15:06.11 | swigg | They still like you.. they will come back... |
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| 15:30.50 | Lukstr | needs coffee badly |