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00:14.24epSome clown on quol 5162 keeps rejoining after ban with totally different IP (different domain).  Need some help dealing with this.
00:18.50spldart:( I gots no juice on quol sry
00:21.00spldartI like the y2k bug bugq
00:21.29spldartWhatcha been doin the last day or two/.
00:21.43spldarts//./?
00:22.04Lukstrspldart: s/\/\./\?
00:22.08Lukstrer
00:22.09Lukstrfail
00:22.17Lukstrs/\/\./\?/
00:22.36spldartepic fail = /\/\///\,\,//.\./.\/.\/. :)
00:23.06spldarts/:)/>8-0
00:23.09spldart:)
00:23.52bugQoh right, yesterday I had to leave in a hurry and couldn't work
00:24.08spldartAnything planned today/.'
00:24.11spldartGod!
00:24.17bugQtoday I'm teaching myself valgrind and debugging
00:24.17spldartI got /. disease
00:24.26Erroneousvalgrind ftw
00:24.43spldartBecause it pertains to your contribution to your job?
00:25.07spldartIf so how much time have you alotted for this?
00:25.11bugQyes, I have a few errors for which gdb doesn't cut it
00:25.20spldartI can see that.
00:26.08spldartIf this self teaching for troubleshooting abilities take to long please consult with a senior mentor :)
00:26.21bugQall right
00:27.06bugQsome of today has also been wrestling with my vps provider to get bzfs working
00:27.12spldartwants to zerox your y2k bug .png but in real life. The kids would love it :)
00:27.36bugQI forgot where I found that image
00:27.52spldartwhich vps server?
00:28.16bugQinsecti.com, hosted by railsplayground.com
00:29.04spldartic
00:29.20spldartPort route issues?
00:30.12bugQI think I have everything figured out except that it can't find my templates
00:30.50spldartWoah... really? I didn't expect that to be an issue. Did you build on their's or yours and upload?
00:31.05bugQi built it there
00:31.22spldartOk.. I'm past what I can do to help then :(
00:31.40spldartharumph
00:32.29bugQit's probably some dumb mistake I made
00:34.00spldartIC.. Good luck. Dont' take to long before you get back on track towards commits... I thought brlcad or some other mentor had given you access to their server for testing?
00:34.50bugQya, but it doesn't have valgrind
00:34.58spldartAh...
00:35.29bugQand testing locally is out, because global auth won't work
00:35.53spldartdid you try asking them to get if for yah. or was there other issues in the way?
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00:36.04spldarts/if/it
00:36.22bugQI asked once, but I thought this would be faster, heh
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00:36.50spldartHopefully he will see this convo and weigh in in a bit.
00:37.08Thumper_bugQ: testing locally with global auth does work if you poke holes thru your firewall and forward packets to the appropriate machine inside your network.  It's not trivial to set up though
00:37.32bugQwell, I'm already in this far
00:38.00spldart.. But don't wanna lose to much time in the investmate
00:38.53spldartcannot spell to save his tank even with SH flag
00:40.12bugQI'll try something else if this gets any worse
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00:41.59Thumper_bugQ: what is crashing for you that you need valgrind for - maybe I can repeat it here and just pastebin the output
00:45.51bugQone sec
00:46.01Erroneousit's good to run your project through valgrind anyway.  we do it with the main body of the project from time to time.
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00:50.30bugQThumper_: group page, edit EVERYONE, click save
00:51.15bugQhttp://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d68cdf06e
00:51.16Thumper_bugQ: ok - I'm rebuilding
00:52.14spldartis getting valgrind for his linux test rig
00:53.01spldartAlthough i have NO knowledge of how to use it.. /me reads
00:54.28bugQafaict, it's just valgrind cmd args, then it spits backtraces whenever it finds weird memory usage
00:54.46Thumper_spldart: instead of 'bzfs BLAH' do 'valgrind bzfs BLAH 2>valgrind.txt'
00:54.50AAA_awrightspldart: It isn't hard, prepend "valgrind" to the command argument
00:55.10spldartThanks :)
00:55.13AAA_awrightMake sure the program has debug headers compiled in
00:55.28spldartAnd that means what to say bzflag or bzfs?
00:55.40Thumper_er yeah but it works for both :)
00:55.45spldart:)
00:55.55spldartSo
00:56.04Thumper_meant bzfs and typed bzfs so /me is confused
00:56.06spldartdon't prefix the valgrind without building in debug
00:56.27Thumper_without debug symbols the output of valgrind isn't very useful
00:56.33spldartGot it
00:56.38Thumper_./configure --enable-debug
00:56.45spldart...Always...
00:56.50Thumper_then you're good
00:56.55spldartkewlio
00:57.28spldartoh wow
00:57.36Thumper_hmmm my local system doesn't do proper packet forward back from the firewall so I can used that to test - /me builds on bzflag3.norang.ca (but it's slower) :(
00:57.37spldartbetter have some cpu do do that 8-0
00:58.08Thumper_it works for bzfs but not for the browser
00:58.11spldartI may need to retry valgrind on this rig later when I'm not busy
00:58.34spldartvalgrind slows bzflag down severe ;-p
00:58.37Thumper_you already have a working build probably - you can just valgrind it
00:58.44Thumper_it does? hmmm /me didn't notice :)
00:59.11bugQtheir website says it runs apps 10-30x slower
00:59.13spldartYour a multi core modern processor aren't you?
00:59.23Thumper_yeah (as of a month ago)
00:59.31spldarthrm.. error connecting to bugq server
00:59.47spldartYeah.. I'll try valgrind again on my dual 2.4ghz barton later.
00:59.54spldart./bzflag
00:59.59bugQinsecti doesn't have a front page yet
01:00.37spldartOh snap
01:00.55spldartbzflag trunk latetest svn crashed outta valgrind
01:00.58bugQnor do I have bzfs running at this moment
01:01.21spldartGot a Sigill
01:01.39bugQneat
01:01.40spldartOh..
01:01.53spldartyour on the list server after your last run of bzfs then
01:02.09bugQah, because I crashed
01:02.33spldart89.149.292.* 8472 BugQ';s testing server
01:02.37spldartindeed
01:03.05spldartNEW EUREKA!
01:03.47spldartsRy... ScIf
01:03.49spldarti
01:05.20Thumper_bugQ: w/o valgrind it segfault - with valgrind I get page not found
01:05.34Lukstrif I want to have a container of objects defined elsewhere, should I have it be container<Object*> or container<Object&>
01:05.38bugQfunky
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01:07.51Thumper_here's what I get for valgrind bin/bzfs -p 10000 -publicaddr bzflag3.norang.ca:10000 -dddd -loadplugin plugins/webadmin,db/ 2>valgrind.txt
01:08.02Thumper_http://pastebin.ca/1086679
01:08.21Thumper_I did the group edit twice and got page not found both times
01:08.33ErroneousLukstr: depends where you're actually storing them.  References must have valid objects in the same scope, pointers are more flexible (you can use the pointer to manually scope the object by destroying it yourself).
01:09.16Lukstrah alright
01:09.27Thumper_just a few issues :/
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01:10.51Erroneousthe invalid reads would normally be segfaults, valgrind just lets it keep going
01:11.44Thumper_ok
01:12.12Erroneouslooks like you are trying to read from std::string*'s for which the parent std::string has already been autodestroyed (perhaps by going out of scope)
01:12.45spldartwow.. valgrind is powerful isn't it 8-0
01:12.52spldarttool that is
01:13.03Erroneousyup
01:13.04Thumper_yes it is...
01:13.09Thumper_what he said :)
01:13.27spldartis still sifting through alot of ouput
01:13.29Erroneousyou definitely have some dangling pointer problems
01:13.31spldartoutput
01:13.51Erroneousdouble frees later on
01:14.00Erroneousyou probably want to use new instead of address-of
01:14.14Erroneousto avoid the automatic destruction
01:14.37Erroneoushm, and then you leak too :)
01:15.49Thumper_patches the hole that leaked Erroneous out of the channel
01:16.01spldarteeyyuuwwaaahhhh
01:16.07spldartleakage
01:16.33spldartBug got quiet... Working furiously?
01:17.13bugQlooking at where the errors have to do with webadmin
01:17.26spldartah
01:17.40spldart:)
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01:22.07bugQaha
01:23.16spldartNot to be confused with the group
01:23.27spldartAh! aaahhaa
01:23.35spldartpunny
01:23.50spldartheh or not ;)
01:28.10Thumper_can't get the "Take on me" song out of his head now >:(
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01:31.43spldartLOL even harder
01:32.03spldartMoo... Moomooo
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01:34.53L4m3rdeclines Thumper_'s invitation to "take on me", whatever that means
01:36.39bugQdur, found it
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01:46.34bugQbrb
01:51.20CIA-36BZFlag: 03bugQ * r18243 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/webadmin/webadmin.cpp: stringList initialized for both GET and POST on group page
01:51.58bugQI'll see how that works after dinner
01:52.11spldartis testing
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02:02.46pacman87playing.cxx:2103: error: 'handleMyTankKilled' was not declared in this scope
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02:10.15blast007pacman87: trunk code?
02:11.56pacman87blast007: yes, checked out this morning
02:12.08pacman87and more errors in botplaying.cxx
02:12.15pacman87scope errors
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02:13.28Flashwow. a new freetype since I've been gone?
02:14.36pacman87full buildlog: https://webspace.utexas.edu/trv82/www/buildlog
02:24.36spldartAh! UT
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02:28.42Lukstrso, sourceforge mailing list searches are shot too, eh? fantastic
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03:12.23short_circuitAre there any hardcore bzflag'ers in Memphis, tn? ... spldart was gonna be in Memphis on Aug 9th evening and 10'th morn
03:15.30bugQwhat's wrong with webadmin.cpp:159~161?
03:22.28bugQbuh.  i'll give this a fresh start in the morning
03:25.08short_circuitKah may ha may HAAAA!!!!
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03:35.28Lukstrheh, this line worked out rather humoursly regarding readability: while( is.good() )
03:52.57brlcadshort_circuit: .bz has valgrind installed as of a couple days ago (for bugQ)
03:53.16short_circuitsexcellent... err sry
03:53.24short_circuitI'll let him know
03:53.34short_circuitunless somebody beats me to it..
03:53.38short_circuitAh.. double pun
03:54.21blast007beats short_circuit into the ground, then plants flowers
03:55.12short_circuitSry.. sry... /monty python
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04:19.25brlcadnoteworthy: "Subversion service will be offline on 2008-07-30 from 17:00 Pacific for not more than 12 hours to permit a rebuild of the storage used by the service, followed by further performance tuning."
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04:46.54CIA-36BZFlag: 03blast007 * r18244 10/trunk/db/ (copyright.php templates/footer.tpl): Get rid of the copyright page, and just add a link to the LGPL license in the footer.
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04:57.17LukstrHm, what's the proper way to declare a reference class member?
04:58.48LukstrI was under the impression it was legal to declare class member reference-types without an initializer
05:00.23Lukstrer, I guess that's kind of vague
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06:00.46CIA-36BZFlag: 03blast007 * r18245 10/trunk/db/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
06:00.46CIA-36BZFlag: Convert the player info page to Smarty.
06:00.46CIA-36BZFlag: Add an Escape function to the EasyDB class.
06:00.46CIA-36BZFlag: Add input reading support.
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06:05.03CIA-36BZFlag: 03blast007 * r18246 10/trunk/db/playerinfo.php: Set the right title and area for player info.
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08:15.41remotehi
08:15.54remotei'm trying to register an account
08:16.14remoteand there's a field "Enter the name of this game: " which i have no idea what to put in
08:16.17remotecould someone advise?
08:17.07braduhh, it's quite obvious
08:17.16bradwhat game are you trying to play?
08:17.22bradwhat IRC channel are you in
08:17.47remoteweird
08:18.12bradi'll take that as an "oops it works now" :)
08:21.05blast007what did you try to put in?
08:24.37blast007remote: was it really that hard of a question?
08:25.34blast007cuz really, if you don't know what game the forum is for, then you don't need an account unless you're just a spammer
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08:36.46CIA-36BZFlag: 03blast007 * r18247 10/trunk/db/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
08:36.46CIA-36BZFlag: Convert the player search page to Smarty.
08:36.46CIA-36BZFlag: Add a NumRows function to EasyDB.
08:37.21remotebut there's a captcha as well
08:37.23remoteanyways
08:38.08blast007spambots were reading the captchas
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09:53.26LukstrNew, fun post in approx. 6 minutes @ http://libbzw.blogspot.com/ . Comments, criticism and suggested improvement always appreciated :)
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14:03.34Winnywhat's the procedure when a server/user is ripping off a map as their own?
14:04.46whodaman-Tell them to take it down with an explanation that the map belongs to somebody else?
14:05.19SwiggWhat server is it?
14:06.23SwiggMost of the fly-by-night servers like that are usually on people's PC's and not on a dedicated connection so gamplay is crappy anyway
14:07.40whodaman-Game play doesn't matter, nor does the connection. It's just about ripping off the map
14:07.54Winnylooks like it down/no one can join anyways
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14:08.27Winnybut if memory serves me correctly, lol_u_died appears to be ripping off one of "The Purple panzer's" maps.
14:08.40Winnyagain.
14:08.50whodaman-yawns.
14:09.03a_temp_disthe will fake surprise  - "oh I just found it on my HD"
14:09.25Winnyyep
14:09.38Winny"I thought I made it lol!!" again.
14:13.43CBGEven I remember that BS.
14:13.46Thumper_brlcad: Where is valgrind on bzflag.de?  It's not in the default PATH
14:14.30Thumper_brlcad: nevermind you said .bz not .de
14:15.10brlcadnods
14:15.14Thumper_needs more coffee before attempting to engage brain it seems
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14:23.22Winnycool, he admits to stealing it
14:24.24whodaman-meh
14:26.23ruskieWinny, you mean infringing copyright since to steal you actually need to take some physical object away from a person...
14:26.43Winnytomato tomoto
14:27.09ruskieWinny, not really
14:27.21ruskiecompletly different things
14:28.01whodaman-Winny, let panzer complain. the map isnt hurting you at the moment
14:28.13whodaman-although it really is so stupid of him
14:28.16Winnyhe's rarely around
14:28.23ruskieonly the copyright owner can do anything about it really...
14:28.31Winnyinfringement is infrginement
14:28.54ruskieand it's not stealing :)
14:29.21ruskieand as said... only the copyright owner/holder can do anything about it in anycase...
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14:51.46spldartlegal nazi :-p
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15:44.33SportChickhugs brlcad
15:51.20whodaman-:O
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16:56.10LukstrDTRemenak: ping
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17:06.11LukstrErroneous: ping
17:09.13ErroneousLukstr: pong
17:09.29Lukstrnew post at http://libbzw.blogspot.com/
17:09.36Erroneousyup, read it last night
17:09.40Lukstryay
17:10.18Lukstryou shouldn't be up at such times ;)
17:11.03Erroneoushehe
17:11.29Erroneousfunny, that's almost exactly what my mother used to say ;)
17:11.38Lukstrheh
17:11.45Lukstrmine still does
17:12.01whodaman-yay for leaving moms in another continent.
17:12.38LukstrI like sending moms to another continent, personally.
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17:19.36whodaman-Lukstr, germany is soooo far away now :)
17:19.43Lukstrheh
17:22.08donny_baker~blast007++
17:23.35whodaman-psh
17:23.55Winny~blast007++
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17:24.16Lukstr?
17:24.28donny_bakerits a ++ party for blast
17:24.31whodaman-yeah
17:24.36whodaman-my shift is stuck
17:24.38whodaman-so..
17:24.54bugQboth of them?
17:25.09whodaman-bugQ, no :P
17:25.20Lukstrtwo shifts don't cancel :P
17:25.36LukstrI suspect he's using the capslock :)
17:25.42Erroneousthey can if you have your keyboard layout set up right ;)
17:25.49Lukstrhah
17:26.36Erroneousinstalled a kernel hook that made left shift toggle the state of right shift when he had a stuck shift key
17:27.24Lukstrmotions to a pile of working keyboards.
17:27.45Erroneousprobably would have been easier to just disable the right shift signal, but then it wouldn't have been as fun to watch other people try to use my computer :P
17:28.53Erroneousalso had a power switch that you had to twist 90 degrees to push in, for mostly the same reason
17:28.55Lukstrif that was my goal I'd just use dvorak
17:29.39Erroneoushas always found it entertaining to watch people try to figure out how to do simple tasks when unexpected challenges are introduced
17:30.32bugQI switched the keycaps on my laptop, but I still type qwerty
17:31.04bugQi.e. switched to dvorak
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17:32.05Lukstrheh, keyboards are weird; I wouldn't be able list you all the letters in order in qwerty, but I can type on those lame console-keyboards (moving with a directional pad) blindfolded. Figure that out.
17:32.26ErroneousI can list all the letters in order... qwertyuiopasdfghjkl;... :P
17:32.41Lukstrhshs
17:32.42bugQLukstr: you mean PSP-style?
17:32.48LukstrPSP?
17:33.09bugQThe PSP has text entry like that, using a d-pad and button to select chars
17:33.12Lukstrlike, xbox or wii or anything, you get a keyboard on screen and one key is selected, you move the selection around
17:33.21Lukstryeah I guess
17:33.22Erroneousthinks we should rearrange the alphabet to match the keyboard :)
17:33.29bugQheh
17:33.32Lukstrthe one in animal crossing comes to mind
17:33.48ErroneousI mean, the alphabet is in essentially arbitrary order mostly inherited from the romans
17:33.58Erroneousand they switched it around from the way the greeks did it
17:34.05Erroneousso why not switch it around again? :)
17:34.30Lukstrwe should just switch to binary as our base anyways
17:34.38Erroneoushex is more practical
17:34.38LukstrI can count to much higher on my fingers than decimal
17:34.39blast007Erroneous: cuz software development costs would be too high to adjust sorting algorithms!  ;)
17:34.48Lukstrhex is difficult to count on one's fingers :)
17:35.18Erroneousfingers are overrated.  not everyone has a full set.
17:35.31Lukstrwell that's the only reason we probably use base 10
17:36.02Erroneousand if we switch bases, we'll have to redefine the entire metric system
17:36.16Erroneous'cause multiplying by 10 in base 16 just isn't cool
17:36.25LukstrI never liked the idea of revolving around your base
17:36.34Lukstrlike how we celebrate multiples of 10 units of time
17:36.41Lukstrsilly
17:36.45bugQLukstr: ya, it's called "camping"
17:36.56Erroneoushaha
17:37.04Lukstrnice
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