| 00:00.08 | Epyon | Lukstr, installing a OS is something that should be done by someone who knows what he's doing anyway. |
| 00:00.12 | Lukstr | nah |
| 00:00.47 | Lukstr | Windows users need to format their computers usually |
| 00:00.50 | Lukstr | most windows users that is |
| 00:05.32 | Lukstr | I give linux 5 years till it's par with Windows |
| 00:06.05 | bugQ | in what sense? |
| 00:06.31 | Epyon | accessibility for non-power users. |
| 00:06.33 | Lukstr | every sense |
| 00:06.59 | Lukstr | and Mac's OSs don't count :P |
| 00:07.06 | Epyon | Lukstr, what do you use at home? |
| 00:07.08 | bugQ | duh, it's not linux |
| 00:07.14 | Lukstr | Ubuntu, OpenBSD and XP |
| 00:07.58 | Lukstr | Ubuntu Server if it makes a difference, I dislike Gnome |
| 00:07.58 | Epyon | never could work with dual-booting because he doesn't like to reboot or turn off his pc at all :P |
| 00:08.06 | Lukstr | those aren't dual booting :P |
| 00:08.20 | Epyon | Three boxes? |
| 00:08.32 | Lukstr | Laptop and BZFlag development server are Ubuntu, OpenBSD is my webserver (which is a smoldering pile currently) and XP is this. |
| 00:08.56 | Epyon | lol |
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| 00:09.40 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v L4m3r] by ChanServ |
| 00:10.28 | Epyon | I have two boxes at home, one desktop with windows, and one debian server, pure box in the closet :P |
| 00:10.43 | Lukstr | yeah my XP box is my only headed box |
| 00:10.43 | spldart | dual boots all his pc's except his 3 servers |
| 00:10.43 | spldart | XP pro and debian etch |
| 00:10.53 | CBG | PC + XP, Mac + OS X. |
| 00:10.58 | spldart | is worried linux may not finish catching up to windows... |
| 00:11.06 | Epyon | can't work on a box without at least 2-3 monitors. |
| 00:11.09 | spldart | But it's doin good so far |
| 00:11.16 | bugQ | woo triple boot! |
| 00:11.20 | spldart | is happy with 2 monitors |
| 00:11.26 | spldart | On 3 boxes |
| 00:11.27 | spldart | lol |
| 00:12.01 | spldart | I'm working on picking up a Sony kvd40ls3000.. iir the model number correctly.. as a primary monitor |
| 00:12.16 | Epyon | 'd never have the patience to set up the boxes to use a single mouse/keybord. |
| 00:12.54 | bugQ | kvm switches aren't rocket science |
| 00:12.56 | spldart | Man.. #bzflag can do wonders to cheer me up after a royally hosed day :) |
| 00:13.07 | Lukstr | meh, I do have a kvm switch for emergencies but all you need is ssh |
| 00:14.04 | Epyon | wants a powerful projector to be able to play games on his neighbour walls at night, and when he gets annoyed at them run some ugly pron videos at the wall xP |
| 00:14.46 | Epyon | bugQ, but I want them to be invisible -- that is the monitors edges to be transparent :P |
| 00:14.58 | Lukstr | just take them out of the shells |
| 00:15.02 | Lukstr | you can get 1mm |
| 00:15.08 | Epyon | lol |
| 00:15.11 | spldart | has a commercial sharp projector that is his second monitor on one rig |
| 00:15.18 | spldart | Projects to 500 inches |
| 00:15.31 | Epyon | again feels pain that he's the only non-native english speaker here :P |
| 00:15.36 | spldart | And bzflag on it is SO CHOICE |
| 00:15.54 | Epyon | :D |
| 00:16.07 | bugQ | you can use VNC instead of a switch, then do cool things like move to the edge of the monitore to switch |
| 00:16.14 | bugQ | -e |
| 00:16.31 | Epyon | Yeah, but I'm too lazy to set it up properly |
| 00:16.39 | Lukstr | my native language is C :) |
| 00:16.49 | spldart | lol |
| 00:16.52 | Epyon | Lukstr, not C++? |
| 00:16.56 | Lukstr | no |
| 00:17.31 | Epyon | My native language is FreePascal, but I now almost exclusively live in Cplusplusia, so I speak and write C++ |
| 00:17.59 | spldart | I are illeterate 8-0 |
| 00:17.59 | bugQ | I don't know if I ever had a native tongue... |
| 00:19.22 | bugQ | I started with basic and C, but JeffM says I think like a PHP dev |
| 00:19.56 | Lukstr | ouch |
| 00:19.56 | Epyon | I may be polish, live in Poland, but I can't recall the last time writing in my own language ... I don't even have the polish keyboard driver installed D: |
| 00:20.20 | spldart | mmMMmm basic |
| 00:20.39 | Lukstr | Move to Canada, I know a lovely apartment for rent in little-Poland in Toronto :P |
| 00:21.03 | Epyon | only wrote in BASIC on his first computer -- a Commodore 4+ (yes, 4 not 64) |
| 00:21.18 | spldart | was on a trs-80 model 1 |
| 00:21.51 | Epyon | Lukstr, first rule of travelling outside of Poland for a Pole -- keep away from the local polish societies :P |
| 00:21.56 | spldart | Then a commodore vic-20... which I also happened to service under warranty at a service center |
| 00:21.58 | bugQ | wait, technically my first language with applescript. :\ |
| 00:22.00 | bugQ | *was |
| 00:22.01 | spldart | then an apple II |
| 00:22.18 | Lukstr | yeah, I tend to stay away from Little Poland myself, regardless of not being Polish |
| 00:22.41 | Epyon | Lukstr, just for the record, they do not serve well as representatives of Poland :P |
| 00:24.26 | Lukstr | heh, go figure: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roncesvalles_Village |
| 00:24.41 | bugQ | um, it didn't rebuild the plugins... @.@ |
| 00:25.05 | bugQ | something is screwed up in the plugin makefiles |
| 00:26.05 | bugQ | the CXXFLAGS aren't being used... |
| 00:26.44 | bugQ | any ideas? |
| 00:27.48 | spldart | harumph.. |
| 00:27.52 | spldart | pokes around |
| 00:28.12 | spldart | Your not getting plugins built at all? |
| 00:28.37 | spldart | is running make-clean @ the moment |
| 00:28.48 | bugQ | no, they build, they just didn't rebuild when I re-./configured with --enable-debug |
| 00:29.03 | spldart | err... make clean.. no dash |
| 00:29.33 | spldart | harumph.. I'm trying to reproduce now |
| 00:30.39 | Winny | spldart: keep it to yourself! geeze! |
| 00:30.43 | Winny | ducks |
| 00:30.45 | spldart | Ok.. I'm doin a make and then ..... |
| 00:30.46 | spldart | lolol |
| 00:30.47 | spldart | z |
| 00:31.12 | spldart | I'm looking for diff's between building with and without debug now in the plugins directories |
| 00:31.25 | spldart | But I don't think I've noticed anything ever before now... |
| 00:31.27 | spldart | we shall see |
| 00:31.31 | spldart | This could take a while |
| 00:31.44 | spldart | the machine I'm building on is only a lowly xp2500 barton core |
| 00:31.52 | bugQ | wheee |
| 00:32.05 | spldart | This rig is a dual mp 3000 but is in windows at the moment |
| 00:32.16 | Winny | waves his 8 cores at spldart |
| 00:32.25 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM (n=JeffM@unaffiliated/jeffm) |
| 00:32.43 | spldart | punk! |
| 00:32.51 | Winny | that's me |
| 00:33.23 | spldart | :) |
| 00:33.53 | bugQ | aww, no one's ever called me "punk". only "weirdo", "geek", "freak", "PHP dev"... |
| 00:34.14 | Lukstr | I'd say the latter is the worst |
| 00:34.19 | bugQ | no kidding |
| 00:34.20 | spldart | hehe |
| 00:34.54 | Winny | lol |
| 00:35.01 | spldart | is watching /usr/include/sdl coast by |
| 00:35.30 | bugQ | whenever I write php, I'm usually thinking in perl... |
| 00:35.53 | Lukstr | I try not to tell people I know PHP |
| 00:36.14 | bugQ | good idea, I'll take it off my resume |
| 00:36.55 | Epyon | It is by Perl alone I set my webpages in motion. Perl generates PHP, PHP generates HTML, HTML becomes a warning. It is by Perl alone I set my webpages in motion. |
| 00:37.04 | spldart | LMAOZ |
| 00:37.09 | spldart | Great para-quote |
| 00:37.10 | *** part/#bzflag Happy_Alice (n=chris@101.44.82-79.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 00:37.26 | Epyon | (a cookie for anyone who'll recognize this quote's original source) :P |
| 00:37.26 | spldart | 8-) |
| 00:37.33 | spldart | Dare I say it? |
| 00:37.38 | spldart | I got that one instant |
| 00:37.40 | Epyon | gives spldart a cookie |
| 00:37.53 | spldart | wonders if anyone else got it though |
| 00:38.04 | spldart | is still smiling |
| 00:38.08 | Epyon | I doubt it, it wasn't even in the book :) |
| 00:38.21 | spldart | Just the original movie ? |
| 00:38.27 | Epyon | yeh |
| 00:38.28 | spldart | Was it in the second movie too? |
| 00:38.34 | Epyon | nope |
| 00:38.37 | spldart | Wow |
| 00:38.44 | spldart | DUNE!!!!!!! |
| 00:38.56 | spldart | THE SLEEPER HAS AWAKEN!!!!!!! |
| 00:39.02 | Epyon | xD |
| 00:39.11 | spldart | Sry.. gettting OT a bit :-p |
| 00:39.21 | spldart | good movie |
| 00:39.32 | Epyon | is happy someone recognized it ^_^ |
| 00:39.43 | bugQ | what topic were we on in the first place? |
| 00:39.56 | Lukstr | dinner time |
| 00:40.14 | Epyon | Dinner xP, it's 2:38 in the night here |
| 00:40.15 | spldart | My first fresh build after make clean is done.. |
| 00:40.30 | Epyon | is always confused by AM and PM |
| 00:40.30 | spldart | is poking around the build for a moment before he retries without debug |
| 00:40.34 | bugQ | look at the plugin build commands, do they use -g? |
| 00:41.24 | spldart | Ok.. very odd |
| 00:41.49 | spldart | after a make clean.. But no change to ./config --enable-debug I have plugins built |
| 00:42.09 | spldart | Wait.. where did you want me to look for the -g's? |
| 00:42.37 | spldart | I should clean more often... |
| 00:42.42 | spldart | waits for obvious jokes |
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| 00:44.25 | spldart | like -g O0 ? |
| 00:45.05 | spldart | In Makefile? |
| 00:45.06 | bugQ | ya |
| 00:45.10 | spldart | in Plubins? |
| 00:45.27 | spldart | I'm getting -g O0 |
| 00:45.30 | bugQ | ok.. |
| 00:45.40 | spldart | cxxflags = that |
| 00:45.46 | spldart | and cflags = that |
| 00:45.57 | spldart | God.. can't type |
| 00:46.35 | Epyon | Too much alcohol? :P |
| 00:46.37 | spldart | I'm gonna make clean and rebuild with just ./configure to compare. Unless you have your answer |
| 00:46.55 | spldart | Did some label me a lush or something |
| 00:47.00 | spldart | No.. typing to fast.. not drunk |
| 00:47.04 | bugQ | I'm rebuilding here too... |
| 00:47.08 | spldart | On two keyboards as well |
| 00:47.43 | spldart | is rebuilding to then.. without debug |
| 00:47.48 | spldart | Just to look for diff's |
| 00:47.58 | Epyon | #define lush |
| 00:48.35 | spldart | One whose brain is soaked in alcohol. |
| 00:48.40 | Epyon | heh |
| 00:49.11 | Epyon | no, not like that, you're just the only one here except me that talks about alcohol more often than once in a blue moon :P |
| 00:49.19 | spldart | Mine is not. @ the moment. and was not yesterday contrary to another user's insulting comment.... |
| 00:49.29 | spldart | Ah :) |
| 00:49.35 | Epyon | Mine was insulting? D: |
| 00:49.40 | spldart | No you |
| 00:49.45 | spldart | Not You! |
| 00:49.51 | bugQ | hee |
| 00:49.58 | Epyon | :D |
| 00:49.59 | spldart | Although I've had a hell of a day today |
| 00:50.29 | spldart | Owner and manager of the co. I work for got into a fight over me. One loves me and the other just tolerates me. hehe |
| 00:50.35 | Epyon | That'd define every day of mine since 4 months xP |
| 00:51.01 | spldart | Ok.. started make on a .configure with no args. |
| 00:56.56 | Thumper_ | hi all |
| 00:57.12 | Thumper_ | bzflag.bz is FreeBSD and .de is Gentoo IIRC |
| 00:57.22 | JeffM | gentoo? |
| 00:57.26 | JeffM | no, debian |
| 00:57.31 | spldart | OH! |
| 00:57.36 | JeffM | he did it so tim could set it up |
| 00:57.58 | Thumper_ | hmmm I thought brlcad told me (just yesterday) that it was gentoo... |
| 00:58.01 | Thumper_ | checks his logs |
| 00:58.15 | bugQ | oops, tried to sudo on .de, not my own server -.- |
| 00:58.29 | JeffM | bugQ, do a uname -a on that server |
| 00:58.33 | JeffM | what's it say? |
| 00:58.52 | bugQ | on mine? |
| 00:58.59 | Thumper_ | 16:12 <brlcad> .bz's bsd, the de server is gentoo fwiw |
| 00:59.00 | spldart | no |
| 00:59.02 | spldart | .de |
| 00:59.04 | Thumper_ | (from yesterday) |
| 00:59.08 | bugQ | Linux de 2.6.23-gentoo-r3 #5 Fri Jan 11 08:41:14 CET 2008 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux |
| 00:59.21 | spldart | uname -r on deb etch should reflect 2.6.18-6 |
| 00:59.25 | JeffM | gentoo, odd |
| 00:59.29 | spldart | ahaaaa |
| 00:59.30 | bugQ | dinner now though |
| 00:59.36 | spldart | happy meal |
| 00:59.38 | JeffM | I could have swornd it was a deb |
| 00:59.43 | JeffM | wonder if he changed it |
| 00:59.44 | spldart | read up on the log when you get back\ |
| 00:59.52 | spldart | is stil building a no debug ver. |
| 01:01.58 | spldart | Is AccessControlList.cxx isnj't suppossed to have a bunch of warnings is it? |
| 01:02.41 | spldart | God.. |
| 01:02.52 | spldart | I'm two old to multitask compys |
| 01:05.43 | Thumper_ | bugQ[foods]: You can set breakpoints in Gdb before the symbols are loaded and the breakpoint gets hit when the .so file loads |
| 01:05.56 | spldart | ... Don't you hate it when you got to switch your wash outta the washer to the dryer and you fine your washing machine was so off balance that its danced it's butt way over ............................................ here. |
| 01:06.12 | spldart | s/got/go |
| 01:07.58 | spldart | is still waiting on build |
| 01:10.41 | brlcad | one of the gentoo devs set the server up |
| 01:10.57 | brlcad | (tupone) ;) |
| 01:11.08 | JeffM | ahh |
| 01:11.19 | JeffM | wen't you going to set up a debian one to make tim happy? |
| 01:11.19 | brlcad | JeffM: angie says hi |
| 01:11.25 | JeffM | yay |
| 01:11.27 | JeffM | say hi back |
| 01:11.35 | brlcad | says she misses irc |
| 01:12.01 | JeffM | there is a very simple solution to that problem. |
| 01:12.41 | Epyon | get back on IRC and resume killing tons of time at it? :P |
| 01:12.54 | JeffM | the former, not the latter |
| 01:12.59 | brlcad | told her as much |
| 01:13.49 | *** join/#bzflag KingofCamelot (n=davidsan@ip68-108-247-95.sb.sd.cox.net) |
| 01:14.10 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18038 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: */* is not the best thing to have, * /* is way better |
| 01:14.34 | brlcad | she rarely ever killed time on irc, busy bzg bee learned how to code in C, admin servers, multitask dozens of simultaneous communications, stay on top of geek news, make new friends, ... |
| 01:14.53 | Epyon | oh CIA is working again :D |
| 01:14.55 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18039 10/trunk/bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx): refactor a fair amount of the bot API to make it a lot more sane. |
| 01:14.57 | Epyon | hugs CIA-35 |
| 01:14.57 | CIA-35 | hugs Epyon |
| 01:15.19 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18040 10/trunk/bzflag/src/geometry/ (BoltSceneNode.cxx LaserSceneNode.cxx): vitespace! |
| 01:15.37 | JeffM | I was on crack when I wrote that API wasn't I? |
| 01:15.50 | Epyon | definitively |
| 01:16.25 | spldart | 8-0 |
| 01:20.00 | JeffM | lets see, is there anything else the bot should care about from a high level, spawn, die, jumped, landed, and collide |
| 01:22.50 | *** join/#bzflag whodaman (n=whodaman@pdpc/supporter/student/whodaman-) |
| 01:28.46 | *** join/#bzflag moonpix (n=taz@unaffiliated/moonpix) |
| 01:29.09 | moonpix | hey there |
| 01:29.31 | moonpix | it seems global and server list doesnt like me anymore :) |
| 01:29.37 | JeffM | what error do you get? |
| 01:30.11 | moonpix | cant get server list, shows up like 0/0, and cant authenticate either as taz or moonpix |
| 01:30.32 | JeffM | can you see http://my.bzflag.org/bb/ |
| 01:30.38 | moonpix | no routing issue tho, i can still get the server list using browser |
| 01:30.42 | moonpix | yeah |
| 01:31.00 | moonpix | it was normal since yesterday nite |
| 01:31.28 | JeffM | you change anything on the machine |
| 01:31.34 | JeffM | firewall software or anything? |
| 01:31.43 | moonpix | no, its the same as always |
| 01:32.07 | JeffM | well if it was the same it'd work :) |
| 01:32.15 | moonpix | should :) |
| 01:32.16 | JeffM | simple thing is to blow out your cache dir |
| 01:32.25 | moonpix | hmmm.. |
| 01:32.31 | moonpix | havent tried it yet |
| 01:32.40 | moonpix | brb |
| 01:34.06 | moonpix | nope :\ |
| 01:34.18 | JeffM | you behind a proxy server or anything? |
| 01:34.30 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18041 10/trunk/bzflag/include/bzfsAPI.h: refactor the bot API to make more sense from a derived bot class. |
| 01:34.39 | moonpix | nope, and already checked iptables, all looks clean |
| 01:34.58 | JeffM | dunno then |
| 01:35.05 | JeffM | update libcurl recently? |
| 01:35.07 | moonpix | man :) |
| 01:35.10 | moonpix | nope |
| 01:35.16 | JeffM | maybe you should :) |
| 01:35.18 | moonpix | didnt changed anything |
| 01:35.21 | moonpix | heh |
| 01:35.30 | JeffM | we just use curl to get those URLs |
| 01:35.33 | JeffM | it's nothign fancy |
| 01:35.36 | JeffM | do you get the MOTD? |
| 01:36.06 | moonpix | yeah, MOTD looks normal |
| 01:36.24 | JeffM | then I got nothin for ya |
| 01:36.30 | moonpix | any recent change in the global or server list? |
| 01:36.33 | JeffM | nope |
| 01:36.39 | moonpix | damn |
| 01:36.43 | JeffM | if there was it'd happen in the browser too |
| 01:36.53 | JeffM | bzflag talks to the list via HTTP just like the browser |
| 01:37.01 | JeffM | same prort and everything |
| 01:37.06 | moonpix | yeah, thats odd |
| 01:37.15 | moonpix | i can get it using browser |
| 01:37.40 | JeffM | thats why I asked about the proxy, that's the only thing the game dosn't do, use a proxy if the browser is setup for it |
| 01:37.50 | JeffM | you can try setting the list URL port to 81 in the config |
| 01:38.39 | bugQ | Thumper_: how does that work? |
| 01:38.56 | moonpix | like http://my.bzflag.com:81/db ? |
| 01:39.04 | Thumper_ | bugQ: just a sec |
| 01:39.30 | JeffM | yeah |
| 01:39.51 | JeffM | feeds |
| 01:39.54 | moonpix | you typed bb over there, i have here as db |
| 01:39.59 | moonpix | same thing? |
| 01:40.02 | bugQ | feed on the glorius foods. |
| 01:40.03 | JeffM | same server |
| 01:40.10 | JeffM | db and bb are basicly the same place |
| 01:40.14 | moonpix | ah k |
| 01:40.17 | JeffM | really feeds |
| 01:40.30 | Thumper_ | bugQ: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m266c3d33 |
| 01:40.56 | bugQ | hah... |
| 01:42.13 | moonpix | same stuff.. |
| 01:42.27 | moonpix | hangs for a while, then it says "servers found: 0/0" |
| 01:42.27 | bugQ | ok, good, plugins have debug info now |
| 01:48.37 | bugQ | aww, gdb 5 doesn't let me do that cool stuff. |
| 01:48.47 | Thumper_ | ? |
| 01:48.57 | bugQ | "Make breakpoint pending on future shared library load" |
| 01:49.16 | bugQ | it just tells me it's not defined |
| 01:49.23 | Thumper_ | hmmm ok then you can set a break on load1Plugin and step past the dlopen() |
| 01:49.27 | Thumper_ | and then your symbols should be loaded |
| 01:49.41 | Thumper_ | (but it will already have executed your bz_Load() and constructor functions |
| 01:49.44 | Thumper_ | ) |
| 01:50.21 | brlcad | you can do file:line breaks too |
| 01:50.29 | brlcad | it'll kick in after a load |
| 01:50.48 | Thumper_ | the list server hasn't worked for me for hours... :/ |
| 01:51.00 | brlcad | ~bzflist |
| 01:51.05 | Thumper_ | that works... just not ofr me |
| 01:51.09 | brlcad | ah |
| 01:51.15 | bugQ | gdb doesn't find plugin_HTTP.cpp |
| 01:51.37 | Thumper_ | bugQ: try stepping past the dlopen call |
| 01:51.40 | brlcad | bugQ: there's a way to tell it where your sources are |
| 01:54.09 | Thumper_ | brlcad: works again. I set the list addr to bzflag.net (ages ago when .org was dead for a day) and never set it back |
| 01:54.14 | Thumper_ | I guess it stopped working today |
| 01:55.14 | brlcad | oooh |
| 01:55.21 | brlcad | last night it stopped... |
| 01:55.30 | moonpix | yeah, same for me |
| 01:55.34 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM (n=JeffM@adsl-76-243-140-190.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net) |
| 01:55.42 | brlcad | i changed the apache config |
| 01:55.53 | moonpix | was just trying to figure it out a couple minutes ago |
| 01:55.53 | brlcad | it responds with a 302 on the .net and .com addresses now |
| 01:56.05 | moonpix | neither server list and global auth |
| 01:56.06 | brlcad | bzflag apparently doesn't like a redirect :) |
| 01:56.14 | bugQ | grr I really should just use screen... |
| 01:56.14 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 01:56.17 | brlcad | they're the same |
| 01:56.22 | moonpix | heh |
| 01:56.24 | brlcad | bugQ: you should.. |
| 01:56.26 | JeffM | his client is going to .net and .com? |
| 01:56.47 | bugQ | I'm just spoiled by tabbed terminals |
| 01:56.54 | brlcad | Thumper_: what was the exact addr? list.bzflag.net ? |
| 01:57.05 | brlcad | I can disable the redirect for that one |
| 01:57.20 | brlcad | i'm sure that affects a few dozen |
| 01:57.26 | Thumper_ | #set list http://my.BZFlag.org/db/ |
| 01:57.35 | Thumper_ | s/\.org/.net/ |
| 01:57.38 | Thumper_ | is what I had originally |
| 01:57.43 | Thumper_ | (and no comment) |
| 01:57.53 | brlcad | yeah, put that in a browser, you'll see what it does |
| 01:58.09 | Thumper_ | yeah I did a curl and got the 'this page has moved' |
| 01:58.13 | moonpix | i have it .com |
| 01:58.14 | Thumper_ | which is what made me to change it :) |
| 01:58.22 | Thumper_ | s/to/go/ |
| 01:58.24 | Thumper_ | can't type |
| 01:58.25 | JeffM | how did it get set to .com? |
| 01:58.48 | Thumper_ | way back in the dark ages 6-12 months ago the .org domain expired and this was the temporary workaround |
| 01:58.49 | moonpix | old config maybe? :) |
| 01:58.51 | brlcad | remember, the .org dns died .. like a year ago |
| 01:58.52 | Thumper_ | we just never put it back |
| 01:58.55 | spldart | goes into meditative thought |
| 01:58.57 | JeffM | ahhh |
| 01:59.02 | JeffM | yeah the 5 days of shame |
| 01:59.41 | brlcad | that is, shame on tim ? :) |
| 01:59.41 | moonpix | well whatever it is it stopped working today :) |
| 01:59.49 | moonpix | should i just change it to .net then? |
| 01:59.53 | JeffM | .org |
| 01:59.58 | JeffM | .org is the default |
| 02:00.14 | brlcad | moonpix: your dns cache probably expired it after 12 hours or something |
| 02:00.49 | brlcad | i made the change about 20 hours ago |
| 02:01.03 | moonpix | that must be it |
| 02:01.45 | JeffM | wonder why curl dosn't redirect |
| 02:02.22 | brlcad | the .com's and .nets that aren't in use now redirect to the .org and www.bzflag.org redirs to bzflag.org |
| 02:02.55 | brlcad | that should be all that was changed |
| 02:03.07 | JeffM | brlcad, did you get my mail about the dns changes? |
| 02:03.10 | moonpix | there we go :) |
| 02:03.16 | brlcad | JeffM: yep |
| 02:03.23 | brlcad | a few of those unreachable are reachable |
| 02:03.23 | moonpix | thx for your help |
| 02:03.31 | moonpix | cheeers! |
| 02:03.38 | JeffM | I sent it to Tim, but haven't got any respnce |
| 02:03.47 | JeffM | brlcad, in what section? |
| 02:04.33 | brlcad | the bottom "unreachable" section |
| 02:04.41 | JeffM | remove no contact? |
| 02:05.02 | brlcad | er, delete section (no contact) |
| 02:05.19 | JeffM | yeah that means that the mail they gave me bounced |
| 02:05.33 | JeffM | not that the address to point to is bad |
| 02:05.39 | brlcad | angie's is her gmail |
| 02:05.47 | JeffM | does she want to keep it? |
| 02:05.51 | JeffM | if so move it over |
| 02:05.54 | brlcad | probably not |
| 02:05.56 | JeffM | k |
| 02:06.01 | brlcad | i'll ask |
| 02:06.08 | JeffM | I figured that if anyone got booted, they could just ask and have it remade |
| 02:06.21 | brlcad | quol was in here just a few days ago |
| 02:06.31 | JeffM | that mail bounced |
| 02:06.39 | JeffM | those are the contact mails that tim had on file |
| 02:06.42 | brlcad | you try his .bz alias? |
| 02:06.51 | JeffM | no, I sent it as a batch |
| 02:06.58 | JeffM | and just marked what failed |
| 02:09.21 | brlcad | doesn't care enough about the other no contacts *ahem* :) |
| 02:10.07 | JeffM | heh |
| 02:10.17 | JeffM | I sent quol an email |
| 02:10.23 | JeffM | go and move them to the convert seciton that's fine |
| 02:10.27 | JeffM | and update his contact info |
| 02:10.35 | JeffM | I just want to have valid contact info for every domain |
| 02:10.37 | JeffM | just in case |
| 02:15.21 | Thumper_ | blast007: pingy |
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| 02:28.28 | bugQ | is putting "exec screen -D -R -S something" in my .profile a bad idea? |
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| 02:40.41 | Thumper_ | bugQ: does set break pend on work in gdb 5.x ? |
| 02:44.16 | bugQ | m...no |
| 02:45.32 | bugQ | and with 6.3.50 it expects "on", "off" or "auto" |
| 02:45.54 | bugQ | you got the fancy version |
| 02:46.01 | Thumper_ | mine is set to auto |
| 02:46.05 | bugQ | ok. |
| 02:46.10 | Thumper_ | but on works |
| 02:46.14 | Thumper_ | too |
| 02:46.37 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r18042 10/trunk/bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx): accessor to set the now private playerID in server side players |
| 02:47.29 | Thumper_ | you should still be able to set breakpoints in the plugin after the dlopen() call executed in load1Plugin |
| 02:47.45 | Thumper_ | I'm building from source (still getting it from SVN) on the .de server to verify that works |
| 02:50.14 | bugQ | it didn't work on .de last I tried |
| 02:50.30 | bugQ | didn't build, that is |
| 02:51.43 | Thumper_ | tries on bzflag.bz too |
| 02:52.23 | blast007 | Thumper_: pong |
| 02:52.29 | Thumper_ | hi blast :) |
| 02:53.07 | Thumper_ | louman.bzflag.bz images... I have Lou's email address - what should I ask him to do to get these approved a moved to the new location? |
| 02:54.04 | Thumper_ | There are _lots_ of textures... is a zip, and a list of files, and a statement from LouMan about their license acceptable or does he need to submit each one to the image submitter tool? |
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| 02:56.26 | blast007 | Thumper_: I can mass import. If they're all the same author/license, that makes it even easier. |
| 02:56.56 | JeffM | Thumper_: what server is that on? |
| 02:56.58 | JeffM | .bz? |
| 02:56.59 | blast007 | otherwise, if he could define which are under which author/license, that would work as well |
| 02:57.02 | Thumper_ | they should be all the same I would expect. I just need to know what to ask LouMan for so you have what you need. I haven't talked to him in ages |
| 02:57.03 | blast007 | yeah |
| 02:57.07 | Thumper_ | yes it's on bzflag.bz |
| 02:57.14 | JeffM | k |
| 02:57.26 | JeffM | it'd be nince to consoldate them, but not as important as the others |
| 02:57.30 | JeffM | since it's a server we run |
| 02:57.39 | blast007 | JeffM: still, 3.0 blocks them :P |
| 02:57.49 | JeffM | true |
| 03:00.59 | bugQ | ã¦ãã¡ |
| 03:01.02 | Thumper_ | I also have the Giza Plateau textures that Aribeth created but no way to contact her anymore ... so I guess that server will die |
| 03:01.04 | bugQ | oops. |
| 03:01.42 | JeffM | we can check bzbb for her e-mail |
| 03:13.26 | brlcad | Lukstr: I would have actually thought your initial src/other/boost/spirit was more appropriate |
| 03:14.03 | brlcad | as it is part of boost (and the boost includes are usually <boost/package/header.h> |
| 03:14.22 | brlcad | and it's well-staged that way if we did/do want to include other parts of boost later |
| 03:22.27 | Thumper_ | brlcad: trunk doesn't build on the .de server (configure: error: c-ares library defective or too old) both with --enable-ares-build and w/o |
| 03:25.28 | bugQ | yep. |
| 03:26.26 | Lukstr | brlcad: the problem is you have to include "src/other" in cppflags then |
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| 03:30.33 | brlcad | Lukstr: yes, and? :) |
| 03:30.42 | brlcad | that's a neat side-effect actually |
| 03:30.44 | Lukstr | haha |
| 03:30.49 | brlcad | not like there are headers in there ;) |
| 03:30.55 | Lukstr | I know but |
| 03:31.00 | Lukstr | it's an odd thing to do |
| 03:31.22 | brlcad | well it means you have to modify *code* to trim it off, though |
| 03:31.30 | Lukstr | what? |
| 03:32.04 | brlcad | #include <boost/spirit/include/classic_parser.hpp> won't work, for example |
| 03:32.09 | Lukstr | yes it will |
| 03:32.10 | brlcad | you'd have to modify calling code |
| 03:32.23 | brlcad | o.O |
| 03:32.24 | Lukstr | you misunderstand the way it is now |
| 03:32.37 | brlcad | maybe i've not gotten to a subsequent commit |
| 03:32.46 | brlcad | looks like you have src/other/spirit/include |
| 03:32.48 | Lukstr | it should be src/other/spirit/boost/spirit |
| 03:32.59 | JeffM | eww |
| 03:33.12 | brlcad | spirit do that? it's backwards |
| 03:33.13 | JeffM | ether do /other/boost/spirit |
| 03:33.25 | JeffM | or /other/boost/boost/spirit |
| 03:33.31 | brlcad | yeah |
| 03:33.34 | Lukstr | then I'd choose the latter |
| 03:33.36 | brlcad | imagine including all of boost |
| 03:33.44 | Lukstr | well that's the thing |
| 03:33.44 | Thumper_ | feels his spirit being mightily boosted |
| 03:33.49 | JeffM | do the former, who cares if that one is slightly difrent |
| 03:33.52 | JeffM | WHOPTY do |
| 03:33.52 | Lukstr | It's only this way if we're not including the rest of boost |
| 03:34.09 | JeffM | Lukstr: if we start using one part of boost, we WILL use other parts |
| 03:34.14 | Lukstr | I suppose |
| 03:34.27 | DTRemenak | yay |
| 03:34.32 | JeffM | designing a sucky system just because something MAY not happen is stupid |
| 03:34.33 | brlcad | there's not really a reason (or problem) with having -I${top_srcdir}/src/other |
| 03:34.45 | brlcad | s/reason with/reason against/ |
| 03:34.46 | Lukstr | it's unclean imo |
| 03:34.49 | JeffM | why? |
| 03:34.50 | DTRemenak | sure, there's a problem if something else in there is like boost |
| 03:34.52 | JeffM | it's a folder |
| 03:34.54 | JeffM | whopty do |
| 03:35.10 | DTRemenak | i.e. has headers in the top level dir and has the top level dir on the include line |
| 03:35.22 | DTRemenak | because then you *cannot* override that other library with your system copy |
| 03:35.26 | JeffM | so boost/boost ? |
| 03:35.53 | JeffM | that is a much more valid reason then "it's unclean" |
| 03:36.02 | Lukstr | that's why it's unclean though |
| 03:36.07 | Lukstr | because it has the potential for conflicts |
| 03:36.12 | Lukstr | aka a mess |
| 03:36.20 | DTRemenak | yeah, but you can't just say "it's unclean" - you need to give an example of why it will cause problems ;0 |
| 03:36.21 | JeffM | then boost boost |
| 03:36.27 | Lukstr | alright :P |
| 03:36.31 | brlcad | DTRemenak: sure you can, you don't add the -I ... |
| 03:36.40 | DTRemenak | brlcad: then you don't get boost either |
| 03:36.48 | JeffM | brlcad: but what if you need something else in there |
| 03:37.00 | Lukstr | exactly |
| 03:37.03 | JeffM | something that is LIKE boost |
| 03:37.04 | brlcad | if it's the BOOST_CPPFLAGS, it's either ours or system |
| 03:37.07 | DTRemenak | brlcad: basically it turns src/other into an all-or-nothing job |
| 03:37.21 | JeffM | boost boost is fine |
| 03:37.25 | JeffM | spirit boost is silly |
| 03:37.31 | Lukstr | agree |
| 03:37.32 | Lukstr | d |
| 03:37.41 | JeffM | do it and get on with your lives :) |
| 03:37.42 | brlcad | DTRemenak: all or nothing for boost though |
| 03:37.54 | brlcad | example? |
| 03:38.01 | JeffM | ogre |
| 03:38.07 | JeffM | ogre is in ogre/whatever |
| 03:38.11 | JeffM | if we put ogre at the top level |
| 03:38.11 | DTRemenak | ok. I have a system copy of SomeLib, but not of boost. SomeLib is included by #include <SomeLib/SomeLib.h> and boost is included by #include <boost/somepartofboost.hpp>. How do I include our copy of boost without also including our copy of SomeLib? |
| 03:38.39 | JeffM | and you want src ogre and native boost |
| 03:38.47 | JeffM | both are in /src/other as the op level include |
| 03:38.51 | Lukstr | if SomeLib is on the -I then so is boost thus overriding native boost |
| 03:39.26 | brlcad | JeffM: in your example, it would require #include <ogre/include/header.h> .. which afaik, they don't do :) |
| 03:39.35 | JeffM | say they did |
| 03:39.43 | JeffM | say it was a lib that was setup LIKE boost |
| 03:40.07 | DTRemenak | exactly - basically you're making an assumption that boost is the only library that will ever be set up this way |
| 03:40.17 | brlcad | then I could use the same theoretical for the reverse .. :) |
| 03:40.21 | JeffM | assume it's #include <ogre/core.h> |
| 03:40.42 | bugQ | JeffM: you bwoke it! |
| 03:40.57 | Thumper_ | JeffM: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/md53b9da |
| 03:40.58 | JeffM | bugQ: what are you talking about? |
| 03:41.03 | brlcad | okay, bikeshed, not a big deal as boost/boost/include is fine too :) |
| 03:41.18 | Thumper_ | make it red! |
| 03:41.19 | Thumper_ | ducks |
| 03:41.25 | bugQ | you made that playerID protected, so something that was using it broke |
| 03:41.44 | JeffM | Thumper_: what does that mean? |
| 03:41.53 | brlcad | just think its *really* low risk of conflict, "most" projects don't put headers in their top-level dir, much less any we'd make a dep |
| 03:42.29 | Thumper_ | JeffM: um what does what mean? the red comment (as in what color to paint the bikeshed?) or the gcc error pastebin from your playerID change? |
| 03:42.38 | JeffM | Thumper_: you have old code? |
| 03:42.59 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.06 | Thumper_ | it's a fresh svn checkout ( or was fresh ish) |
| 03:43.09 | JeffM | that method is public |
| 03:43.16 | JeffM | the ish is the key I think |
| 03:43.32 | bugQ | my error was at bzfscron.cpp:162 |
| 03:44.00 | Thumper_ | does svn up r 18042 now and tries again |
| 03:44.00 | JeffM | ahh, that may need updating, that could be |
| 03:44.23 | bugQ | there's no getPlayerID or such |
| 03:44.37 | JeffM | there is, it's private |
| 03:44.41 | JeffM | yes that plugin needs updateing |
| 03:44.45 | JeffM | one sec |
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| 03:47.54 | JeffM | there ya go |
| 03:49.12 | bugQ | yay |
| 03:55.51 | bugQ | is spoiled by cgdb now |
| 04:00.45 | BulletCatcher | KingofCamelot is probably a bit to the right of the picture at http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap080709.html |
| 04:06.08 | bugQ | oh yeah, there's no gdb on .de either |
| 04:10.53 | brlcad | installing now |
| 04:17.02 | Thumper_ | bugQ: this works too (on the bzflag.bz server) http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m454c7a78 |
| 04:17.23 | brlcad | done installing |
| 04:17.33 | brlcad | any other requests? |
| 04:17.44 | Thumper_ | c-ares? |
| 04:17.55 | brlcad | that's in bz |
| 04:18.07 | JeffM | but configure dosn't use it |
| 04:18.10 | brlcad | so it's a bonefide build-system bug that should get fixed |
| 04:18.13 | JeffM | broken it is! |
| 04:18.16 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 04:18.17 | JeffM | fix it you should |
| 04:18.30 | Thumper_ | not tonight. (for me) |
| 04:18.32 | Thumper_ | passes out |
| 04:18.35 | Thumper_ | night all |
| 04:18.42 | JeffM | brlcad was who I meant ;) |
| 04:18.47 | brlcad | bells a taco contrary to jeff's disgust ;) |
| 04:18.54 | JeffM | smart in the ways of build is he |
| 04:18.55 | JeffM | eww |
| 04:18.56 | Thumper_ | heh |
| 04:19.09 | Thumper_ | just not smart w/ food? ;) |
| 04:19.10 | JeffM | hey it's your collon |
| 04:19.34 | brlcad | had a 20-hour work-day today, deserve something better but nothing is open! |
| 04:19.37 | Thumper_ | brlcad: add lots of hot sauce - that ought to kill anything bad in there |
| 04:20.07 | bugQ | brlcad: cgdb would be nice, as a luxury |
| 04:21.28 | JeffM | install wine and VC8 |
| 04:24.26 | bugQ | good band name? Max Power and the Mexican Fighting Trees |
| 04:25.52 | JeffM | simpsons |
| 04:26.14 | bugQ | darn it |
| 04:26.16 | brlcad | bugQ: done |
| 04:26.20 | brlcad | anything else? |
| 04:26.23 | bugQ | oo, thanks |
| 04:26.28 | bugQ | not off the top of my head |
| 04:27.05 | brlcad | last call for alcohol |
| 04:27.31 | Lukstr | mm |
| 04:27.58 | Lukstr | george thorogood... |
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| 04:37.28 | bugQ | argh, i'll need to catch up tomorrow |
| 04:37.31 | bugQ | au revoir |
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| 10:52.39 | KingofCamelot | kidnaps CIA-35 while no one is looking. |
| 10:57.15 | Constitution | hugs CIA-35 |
| 10:57.16 | CIA-35 | hugs Constitution |
| 10:57.23 | Constitution | awww |
| 10:57.25 | whodaman- | awww |
| 10:57.33 | whodaman- | lol |
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| 10:58.28 | KingofCamelot | I thought CIA got fixed? |
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| 15:53.58 | randomparticle | input settings doesn't seem to recognize my mouse side button |
| 15:54.10 | randomparticle | ms optical notebook mouse 3000 |
| 15:54.25 | randomparticle | that's under windows. under os x it *is* recognized |
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| 15:57.22 | brad | randomparticle: I got that mouse too.....you need to install the drivers from the CD :P |
| 15:58.13 | brad | well, dunno if it's drivers, but there is some software |
| 15:58.24 | brad | it seems to run a process in the background |
| 15:59.09 | randomparticle | ah, i see |
| 15:59.19 | randomparticle | driver filter maybe? |
| 15:59.26 | brad | dunno! |
| 16:00.36 | randomparticle | comes up as button 7 in os x. so what are the other 6? :) left, right, middle, wheel left, wheel right? |
| 16:00.52 | brad | wheel click? |
| 16:00.58 | Lukstr | wheel click is three |
| 16:00.58 | randomparticle | that's middle |
| 16:00.59 | brad | oph, middle |
| 16:01.02 | brad | :P |
| 16:01.05 | brad | <-slow |
| 16:01.13 | randomparticle | only 5 in my list anyway :) |
| 16:01.27 | randomparticle | maybe.. there's a secret button |
| 16:01.28 | Lukstr | scroll up and down can be buttons to |
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| 16:01.39 | brad | well, apple will always try to make a microsoft product look faulty |
| 16:01.47 | randomparticle | heh |
| 16:02.03 | Winny | brad: they don't need to try too hard ;) |
| 16:02.11 | Winny | ducks |
| 16:02.19 | brad | HEEEEEEY |
| 16:02.24 | brad | ~flame Winny |
| 16:02.25 | ibot | Winny, YOU SUCK. And you know it. |
| 16:02.31 | Winny | so true |
| 16:02.54 | randomparticle | ~flame ibot |
| 16:02.54 | ibot | ibot, YOU SUCK. And you know it. |
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| 16:21.14 | JeffM | your boss has your paycheck Erroneous |
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| 16:22.08 | Erroneous | coo |
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| 16:42.33 | hwilde | who owns Incoming |
| 16:44.30 | Winny | benfish IIRC |
| 16:45.25 | hwilde | he is not an irc guy huh |
| 16:45.31 | JeffM | not everyone is |
| 16:45.44 | JeffM | the best way to contact a player is to send them a private message from the fourms |
| 16:46.07 | hwilde | I prefer just shooting them |
| 16:46.11 | Alex135 | hehe |
| 16:46.22 | hwilde | or steamroller has a cool wav file |
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| 17:29.59 | broken_tank_over | Does anyone here use the bzflag svn with Xcode? |
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| 17:31.16 | brlcad | meh |
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| 17:49.57 | Hannibol | hello |
| 17:50.10 | Hannibol | i need help... |
| 17:50.38 | Hannibol | nevermind im afk |
| 17:55.27 | whodaman- | err |
| 17:55.29 | whodaman- | ok.. |
| 17:55.33 | blast007 | help with what? |
| 17:55.33 | praetorian | lol |
| 17:55.39 | praetorian | dont worry, hes afk |
| 17:55.47 | blast007 | hehe |
| 17:55.56 | praetorian | plays with iphone |
| 17:56.19 | Winny | praetorian: new one? :o |
| 17:56.23 | praetorian | yep |
| 17:56.38 | Winny | nice |
| 17:57.02 | praetorian | http://www.nullis.net/stuff/images/iphone3g.jpg |
| 18:01.10 | whodaman- | ow |
| 18:01.11 | whodaman- | nice |
| 18:01.25 | whodaman- | Why isn't the 2.0 software out for the iTouch yet? |
| 18:04.01 | Winny | it's not July 11th in your area |
| 18:04.01 | bugQ | more importantly, not yet june 11th in california |
| 18:04.03 | whodaman- | Winny, true :> |
| 18:04.22 | Winny | bugQ: not june 11th? What happend! |
| 18:04.54 | bugQ | eh? they've still got 11 hrs. to go |
| 18:05.00 | whodaman- | June.. |
| 18:05.01 | Winny | it's not june |
| 18:05.05 | whodaman- | Today is july 10th |
| 18:05.08 | bugQ | oh, heh |
| 18:05.08 | whodaman- | soo.... |
| 18:05.21 | whodaman- | I have 3 hours and 55 mins to go! :o |
| 18:12.45 | Wyk3d | 2h 55m left here :) |
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| 18:12.45 | whodaman- | Wyk3d, hmm, poland? |
| 18:12.45 | Wyk3d | no, but not far from it :) |
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| 18:15.21 | Erroneous | whodaman-: learn to use hostmasks, it's much cooler than guessing ;) |
| 18:17.50 | Erroneous | Wyk3d is connected from mures.rdsnet.ro - so it's a reasonable bet that he's somewhere in central romania |
| 18:18.40 | Lukstr | I think I've asked this before, but are bzw files case sensitive? |
| 18:18.44 | whodaman- | Erroneous, meh |
| 18:18.47 | whodaman- | too lazy ;) |
| 18:19.08 | blast007 | Lukstr: might depend on which part of the map you're talking about |
| 18:19.14 | Lukstr | any |
| 18:19.22 | Erroneous | Lukstr: most of it needs to be lowercase, iirc |
| 18:19.26 | Winny | Wyk3d is from Romania? He's a spammer, get him! |
| 18:19.38 | blast007 | ~lart Winny |
| 18:19.38 | ibot | shoots Winny in the head |
| 18:19.50 | Winny | :p |
| 18:19.56 | Lukstr | or is it like HTML :P |
| 18:23.54 | Lukstr | Erroneous: there's things like waterLevel, textureMatrix? |
| 18:24.00 | Lukstr | I guess it is case sensitive then? |
| 18:24.51 | blast007 | Lukstr: have you *tried* it? ;) |
| 18:24.58 | Erroneous | hm, actually most of it is case insensitive |
| 18:25.07 | Erroneous | look at the bzfs parser ;) |
| 18:25.18 | blast007 | the one thing that might be sensitive to case is teleporter names, but I'm not even sure on that |
| 18:25.30 | blast007 | and maybe group definition names |
| 18:25.34 | Lukstr | I was going to assume syntax was insensitive but values were sensitive |
| 18:26.02 | Lukstr | keywords and such insensitive |
| 18:26.11 | blast007 | whip up a basic map that uses some of these things, and see how the current bzfs parses handles it |
| 18:26.18 | blast007 | parser* |
| 18:26.41 | Lukstr | I'll just look at the code; |
| 18:26.52 | Lukstr | I'd have to run a server to parse it? |
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| 18:33.20 | Lukstr | indeed it looks case insensitive |
| 18:35.14 | Lukstr | should I include the "undocumented" include feature? |
| 18:35.31 | Erroneous | yes |
| 18:35.34 | Erroneous | maps use it |
| 18:35.36 | Lukstr | alright |
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| 19:01.19 | Lukstr | interesting |
| 19:01.27 | Lukstr | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.33 | Lukstr | how's that for a string comparison? ;) |
| 19:02.35 | Lukstr | so I'm assuming I assumed correctly earlier: keywords are case insensitive, values are stored sensitive |
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| 19:12.56 | easye | Hello, it this the right forum for asking for help? |
| 19:13.23 | blast007 | easye: depends what you need help with ;D |
| 19:14.10 | easye | All right, this is strange. I've been playing bzflag for months and never had a problem. Something happened and now I can't get a server listing and any server I join says my callsign is registered (which it is, but I'm using the correct passwd) |
| 19:14.17 | easye | This is 2.0.10 under Vista. |
| 19:14.42 | easye | So I seem to be having trouble talking to the bzflag authentication/listing server. |
| 19:14.44 | blast007 | can you get to http://my.bzflag.org/db/?action=LIST in a browser? |
| 19:14.56 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03KingofCamelot * r18050 10/branches/gsoc_server_listing/src/bzflag/HUDDialogStack.cxx: Fixed a left-over line of code in HUDDialogStack that would manually set the HUD focus, over-riding the NavQueue. |
| 19:14.57 | easye | Yeah, no problem |
| 19:15.00 | blast007 | okay |
| 19:15.32 | easye | Also I tried completely disabling windows firewall, but same behavior |
| 19:15.36 | blast007 | hmm |
| 19:16.00 | blast007 | have you tried renaming the "My BZFlag Files" directory under My Documents so you get a clean config? |
| 19:16.11 | easye | Also tried complete uninstall and reinstall of bzflag. Same behavior, but same version. |
| 19:16.15 | easye | No didn't try that. Standby. |
| 19:16.21 | Winny | blast007: set the port in the config to 81 maybe? |
| 19:16.48 | easye | Wow, no problem now. |
| 19:16.56 | easye | Great suggestion. Uninstall must leave that dir intact. |
| 19:17.02 | blast007 | yeah, it does |
| 19:17.28 | easye | blast007++ |
| 19:17.32 | blast007 | :) |
| 19:17.44 | easye | (is that the right karma command?) |
| 19:17.58 | Lukstr | ~ |
| 19:18.31 | blast007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.05 | easye | ~blast007++ |
| 19:19.09 | easye | :) |
| 19:20.03 | easye | Thanks. Off to compare configs to see what/how this could have been broken (probably a bug in the user) |
| 19:21.45 | easye | what is "set startcode" |
| 19:28.04 | easye | Yes, it was a common error: user memory corruption. I had changed the config to have "set list my.bzflag.com/db" a long time ago when bzflag.org once expired (Tim fixed it fast, but I wanted to play now :) ) |
| 19:28.28 | easye | for some reason that config line doesn't work (even though the browser redirects) |
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| 19:29.54 | easye | Thanks for the help. BZFlag has always had great volunteers and contributors. |
| 19:29.58 | easye | :) |
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| 19:30.10 | Alex135 | What are the general demensions of the tank (?x?) and its default jump height? |
| 19:32.08 | Alex135 | JeffM, do you still have that .obj file of the bzflag tank? |
| 19:32.11 | JeffM | the wiki documents that |
| 19:32.14 | JeffM | all of that ;) |
| 19:32.43 | JeffM | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Tank |
| 19:33.07 | Alex135 | wow, i never realized |
| 19:33.09 | Alex135 | thanks :) |
| 19:35.19 | JeffM | the wiki has much info |
| 19:35.48 | Alex135 | ya, more then when i last checked |
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| 19:57.06 | Erroneous | Alex135: http://my.bzflag.org/w/World_units has details for jump height |
| 20:03.45 | Alex135 | Erroneous: sorry was away on my laptop and found it there. Thanks :) |
| 20:03.57 | Erroneous | sure |
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| 20:24.22 | sam | hi there |
| 20:29.16 | JeffM | hello |
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| 21:08.22 | tj13820 | is anyone here a moderator for Images.bzflag.org? |
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| 22:08.54 | Lukstr | man spirit syntax is wild |
| 22:11.07 | tj13820 | does anyone here moderate Images.bzflag.org? |
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| 22:15.34 | JeffM | suposedly |
| 22:15.42 | JeffM | why? |
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| 22:35.52 | tj13820 | I have an image pending moderation, and it is a texture of dirt :-) Could someone approve it? |
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| 22:40.17 | JeffM | I did |
| 22:40.38 | JeffM | youd didn't lie about the author and license did you? |
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| 23:03.26 | tj13820 | JeffM: nope. Big Old Bad Bucko got it for the server and that's why his names on it |
| 23:03.44 | tj13820 | *sorry for the late reply, i'm lookin at the awesome texturing :-)* |
| 23:03.53 | JeffM | was he the author |
| 23:03.57 | JeffM | or did he "find" it? |
| 23:03.59 | tj13820 | as far as i know |
| 23:04.00 | tj13820 | nope |
| 23:04.02 | JeffM | k |
| 23:04.32 | tj13820 | If he found it, i'm sure it would have a watermark. And i would have asked him for the original authors name. |
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| 23:04.51 | JeffM | few images on the web have watermarks |
| 23:06.34 | tj13820 | well, it would have sparked my curiosity. |
| 23:06.52 | tj13820 | And i know that i watermark my images. |
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| 23:08.24 | CBG | What use is a watermarked texture? |
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| 23:34.41 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || 2.0.12 is the latest linux release, 2.0.10 for others || GSoC 2008, mentor blog at http://tanks4code.blogspot.com || Congratulations GSoC participants: http://code.google.com/soc/2008/bzflag/about.html || Students should add their projects to the wiki for review |
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