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| 00:27.58 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17695 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/HTTPServer/HTTPServer.cpp: |
| 00:27.58 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: fix names of 403 and 500 return statuses |
| 00:27.58 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: add server command for quick 404 |
| 00:29.12 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17696 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/fastmap/ (fastmap.cpp fastmap.sln): |
| 00:29.12 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: upgrade fastmap to use new central HTTP vdir system. |
| 00:29.12 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: *NOTE* fastmap can not be used with webreport, webstats, or webadmin until they are upgraded to the new system as well. |
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| 01:58.13 | AliceD | temp? |
| 01:58.23 | temp_dist | hi there! |
| 01:58.28 | AliceD | hi ! |
| 01:58.35 | AliceD | it is complicated!! |
| 01:58.40 | temp_dist | what was the question you asked me earlier? |
| 01:58.43 | AliceD | not simple |
| 01:59.01 | AliceD | ooh.. |
| 01:59.11 | AliceD | is the client support UTF8 ? |
| 01:59.31 | AliceD | i think the answer is no |
| 02:00.03 | temp_dist | the developers are here, they will see that question and might answer eventually :) |
| 02:00.17 | AliceD | ok ok :-) |
| 02:00.49 | AliceD | understandable answer, i hope...i am programming C only since this morning :-D |
| 02:01.03 | temp_dist | heh |
| 02:01.28 | temp_dist | there are some french speakers here too - maybe you could ask in your native language |
| 02:02.07 | AliceD | Est ce que le client support le UTF8 ? |
| 02:02.34 | Lukstr | I think so |
| 02:02.49 | BulletCatcher | The development (trunk) client now has some UTF8 support, but released versions (2.0.x) do not. |
| 02:02.51 | AliceD | really? good news |
| 02:03.06 | Lukstr | ah, that's right |
| 02:03.10 | AliceD | ok..i see |
| 02:03.58 | AliceD | i am trying to implement a translator multilinguages in the client....but i need utf8 |
| 02:04.24 | AliceD | or i need to convert utf8 to ascii characters. Is iit possible? |
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| 02:08.40 | BulletCatcher | I believe the intention is to provide full UTF8 support in the development version. That should be the easiest code base for you to work with. |
| 02:09.47 | AliceD | mau i have the authorization to donwload it? |
| 02:10.04 | DTRemenak | correct, trunk supports utf8 everywhere. if you find somewhere that doesn't, feel free to report it and we'll see what we can do. |
| 02:10.06 | DTRemenak | ~bzsvn |
| 02:10.07 | ibot | i guess bzsvn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag bzflag |
| 02:10.39 | DTRemenak | the first link there explains how to set up subversion to get the latest sources. you will need to build it yourself, we currently do not have any binary versions. |
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| 02:11.20 | AliceD | not a problem. I know someone that will help me |
| 02:11.38 | JeffM | is it steve? |
| 02:11.49 | AliceD | nahhhh |
| 02:12.00 | JeffM | what kind of rapping name is steve anyway? |
| 02:12.03 | DTRemenak | if you are not on windows it should be fairly trivial to build. if you are on windows, you will need all the appropriate dev tools...README.Windows has the appropriate instructions for that |
| 02:12.05 | AliceD | not a bzplayer |
| 02:12.25 | AliceD | i am under linux for now |
| 02:12.46 | AliceD | ubuntu |
| 02:13.21 | DTRemenak | cool. make sure you have g++, mesa-dev and sdl-dev, and everything else should just work (./autogen.sh && ./configure && make) |
| 02:13.36 | AliceD | lol..what is it? |
| 02:13.53 | AliceD | hummm. I will ask to my friend |
| 02:14.11 | AliceD | he should know |
| 02:15.20 | AliceD | a last question. How will i test my code? will i be able to connect to actual servers? |
| 02:15.27 | DTRemenak | we do have partially-complete translations in several languages. when you get it checked out and everything, take a look at the data/l10n directory. |
| 02:15.34 | DTRemenak | yes, there are several servers running on dev |
| 02:16.42 | AliceD | i dont want to do a translation. I want to implement a translator for chating with people who dont speak english, for instance |
| 02:17.04 | DTRemenak | ok. same deal though :) |
| 02:17.15 | AliceD | already implemented? |
| 02:17.18 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 02:17.19 | AliceD | nice :-) |
| 02:17.23 | DTRemenak | but all the support should be there |
| 02:17.44 | DTRemenak | we support relaying utf8 messages through the server and displaying them on the client |
| 02:17.56 | AliceD | oohh ok..i have misunderstood :-D |
| 02:17.58 | JeffM | so you can program? but don't know what g++ is? |
| 02:18.26 | AliceD | hehe..i have read a C programming book this morning |
| 02:18.32 | JeffM | bzflag is C++ |
| 02:18.44 | JeffM | and you'll need a little more then cursory knowledge |
| 02:18.59 | AliceD | ohh..i should buy aniother one, then |
| 02:19.01 | JeffM | your more then welcome to try, but honestly it helps to learn a bit about how to program first |
| 02:19.08 | JeffM | you should practice |
| 02:19.14 | DTRemenak | experimentation is one of the better ways to learn anyway, so don't be afraid to check out the code and play with it |
| 02:19.21 | JeffM | yep |
| 02:19.37 | AliceD | i have already program my translator and it is working |
| 02:19.45 | AliceD | :-P |
| 02:19.48 | JeffM | cool |
| 02:20.00 | JeffM | where does it gets it's translations from? |
| 02:20.14 | AliceD | but i would be appy to implement it in the bz client |
| 02:20.21 | AliceD | google |
| 02:20.32 | a_meteorite | do they even allow it through an API? |
| 02:20.40 | a_meteorite | I'm going to bet it disallows it in their TOS |
| 02:20.41 | JeffM | so you want the client to send a message to google for each chat message? |
| 02:20.51 | AliceD | i dont use any API...even dont know what is it :-D |
| 02:21.08 | AliceD | not for each message |
| 02:21.10 | JeffM | I'd recomend looking into translation libs for the client |
| 02:21.16 | AliceD | only some of them ? |
| 02:21.28 | JeffM | what use is that? |
| 02:21.37 | DTRemenak | how does it decide which ones? |
| 02:22.02 | AliceD | very often, there is player that dont speak english....so it is difficult to help them or to communicate with them |
| 02:22.11 | AliceD | it could help admin, for instance |
| 02:22.14 | JeffM | so on a per player basis then |
| 02:22.38 | JeffM | you'll need to use curl then |
| 02:22.47 | AliceD | that is what i did |
| 02:22.56 | AliceD | i use libcurl |
| 02:23.01 | JeffM | the multi interface? or do you block while it waits? |
| 02:23.25 | JeffM | or are you threaded? |
| 02:23.42 | AliceD | wat do u mean? |
| 02:24.05 | JeffM | while your program waits for google to return the trasnlated text, does your program just wait? or can it do other things? |
| 02:24.30 | JeffM | did you use the curl easy interface? or the curl multi interface? |
| 02:24.35 | AliceD | it is waiting |
| 02:24.42 | AliceD | easy interface |
| 02:24.49 | JeffM | you can't do that in the bzflag client |
| 02:24.53 | JeffM | you need to let the game move on |
| 02:25.10 | JeffM | so you'll have to use the multi interface and poll it |
| 02:25.11 | DTRemenak | sure, you can...it'll just cause the game to freeze while it gets a new string ;) |
| 02:25.16 | AliceD | so...i have to switch to muti interface? |
| 02:25.34 | DTRemenak | if you do it in bzflag, you would want to use curlManager anyway |
| 02:25.37 | JeffM | you could do your style translations on the server too |
| 02:25.41 | JeffM | on a per player |
| 02:25.46 | JeffM | make it a plugin :) |
| 02:25.54 | DTRemenak | and we handle all the curlish stuff, including multi support |
| 02:25.55 | JeffM | just have it eat the chat message and resend it later |
| 02:26.06 | AliceD | ooh my god? |
| 02:26.08 | JeffM | DTRemenak: I don't think we have a curl multi interface on the client |
| 02:26.12 | DTRemenak | we do |
| 02:26.19 | AliceD | speak human language, please |
| 02:26.20 | AliceD | lol |
| 02:26.21 | JeffM | generic? or burned into the list server. |
| 02:26.23 | JeffM | AliceD: we are |
| 02:26.33 | DTRemenak | curlmanager is multi |
| 02:26.34 | JeffM | welcome to development |
| 02:26.37 | AliceD | i should not be human, then |
| 02:26.38 | JeffM | ahh |
| 02:26.42 | JeffM | yeah and it's in common |
| 02:26.45 | DTRemenak | so motd, etc is all multi |
| 02:26.50 | JeffM | that's right |
| 02:26.54 | JeffM | still you could do it on the server |
| 02:26.56 | DTRemenak | I don't think we block for http *anywhere* |
| 02:27.00 | JeffM | and activate it with a slash command |
| 02:27.12 | JeffM | /translate 1 eng ger |
| 02:27.13 | DTRemenak | some people may want to receive the original. I think it would be more complex on the server. |
| 02:27.31 | JeffM | yeah each player sets up a translation option |
| 02:27.44 | JeffM | yeah filtering per player would be hard |
| 02:27.50 | AliceD | i imagine somethin like : /translate en fr MESSSAGE AND BLA BLAH |
| 02:27.56 | JeffM | should make a better interface for it |
| 02:28.05 | DTRemenak | on the client you could easily display the original until the translation comes through |
| 02:28.07 | JeffM | the chat event should return a blocked list :) |
| 02:28.14 | JeffM | yeah client can work, that's for sure |
| 02:28.19 | DTRemenak | and swap them out on the fly in controlpanel |
| 02:28.21 | JeffM | I was just trying to think of a way to do it in 2.0.x |
| 02:28.26 | DTRemenak | which could be really slick |
| 02:28.28 | AliceD | wait wait..i need to translate what u r saying... |
| 02:28.30 | JeffM | tho that has a limted characterset |
| 02:28.49 | JeffM | not sure if I'm keen on the client spaming google |
| 02:28.54 | DTRemenak | yeah, 2.0 is not much use through a translation service |
| 02:28.56 | JeffM | but it'll be interesting to see if it works |
| 02:28.58 | DTRemenak | they have an api for it |
| 02:29.16 | DTRemenak | http://code.google.com/apis/ajaxlanguage/ |
| 02:29.20 | JeffM | I wonder how it will handle the color formating ;) |
| 02:29.30 | DTRemenak | heh, you'd want to send just the text part |
| 02:29.34 | JeffM | yeah |
| 02:29.39 | DTRemenak | can't embed ansi codes in messages anyway |
| 02:29.43 | JeffM | cool |
| 02:30.33 | DTRemenak | I think it would be more practical to use a local library to do it, but I'm not aware of any decent crossplatform ones |
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| 02:32.53 | AliceD | so what are u suggesting to me? 1) using mutli interface and not the easy interface !! 2) ????? |
| 02:33.14 | DTRemenak | we're just throwing ideas around. |
| 02:33.30 | JeffM | AliceD: you have to do #1 |
| 02:33.33 | JeffM | that's for sure |
| 02:33.33 | DTRemenak | my suggestion to you would be to do whatever you're thinking of, and as you run into problems, find solutions |
| 02:33.39 | JeffM | yep |
| 02:33.42 | JeffM | best way to learn |
| 02:33.46 | DTRemenak | we're just anticipating some of the problems you will probably have |
| 02:33.53 | DTRemenak | and floating some possible solutions |
| 02:34.09 | JeffM | using SCIENCE! |
| 02:34.31 | JeffM | aww yeah, 3 base classes baby! |
| 02:34.37 | AliceD | ok ok thx misters (misses) devs !!! |
| 02:34.42 | JeffM | this is the one class to rule them all |
| 02:34.42 | DTRemenak | it will be a slow process. you will have many problems. that is ok, look at it as a learning opportunity :) |
| 02:34.52 | JeffM | class WebStats : public BZFSHTTPVDir, public bz_EventHandler, public TemplateCallbackClass |
| 02:35.06 | DTRemenak | eep, multiple inheritance |
| 02:35.12 | DTRemenak | hides under a rock |
| 02:35.36 | JeffM | well I could put each in it's own subclass, but I know how you like that shorter code, K&R guy ;) |
| 02:39.44 | Lukstr | DTRemenak: things are going okay, I didn't get much done today though :( |
| 02:40.04 | JeffM | you fired! |
| 02:40.21 | DTRemenak | k. just hadn't seen much activity and was wondering if you were stuck on something or waiting for one of us. |
| 02:40.22 | Lukstr | nooo |
| 02:41.19 | Lukstr | well I should probably start stubbing instead of reading code |
| 02:41.25 | DTRemenak | yeah, probably :) |
| 02:42.46 | DTRemenak | reading code is good, but if you wait until you fully understand all the problems you will run into, you will never get done. better to just run into some of them :) |
| 02:43.03 | Lukstr | I'll be putting in a lot tomorrow |
| 02:43.06 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 02:43.07 | Lukstr | who needs sleep, right? |
| 02:43.15 | JeffM | raises his hand |
| 02:43.17 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 02:43.23 | JeffM | I have to DM tomorow |
| 02:43.27 | JeffM | I have to be at full power |
| 02:43.30 | Lukstr | hah |
| 02:43.32 | JeffM | death to the level 1 noobs! |
| 02:43.46 | DTRemenak | I won't be around for most of tomorrow, and neither will JeffM. there are others you can ask if you need something though. |
| 02:43.58 | JeffM | delcares DTRemenak his prey |
| 02:44.01 | DTRemenak | cowers in fear of JeffM |
| 02:44.11 | JeffM | DTRemenak: I'll have my lappy there and on, so we can check up on em |
| 02:44.25 | DTRemenak | need to figure out how the whole "heal surge" thing works though |
| 02:44.40 | Lukstr | hah |
| 02:44.41 | JeffM | DTRemenak: it's the second wind/catch a breath thing from saga |
| 02:45.02 | DTRemenak | saga had direct heals |
| 02:45.16 | JeffM | once per encounter as a move (I think) action you can get back 1/4 of your HP |
| 02:45.29 | JeffM | yeah the heal spells here often use a surge |
| 02:45.37 | DTRemenak | always for heroic, afaict |
| 02:45.38 | JeffM | so that the healing is proprotonal to the target |
| 02:45.57 | JeffM | basicly a surge is always 1/4 the targets HP |
| 02:46.00 | DTRemenak | k |
| 02:46.04 | DTRemenak | plus bonuses |
| 02:46.09 | JeffM | yeah |
| 02:46.25 | JeffM | they did it that way so that you'd not have to spend 3 hours healing the tank, and 5 seconds to heal the caster |
| 02:46.31 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 02:46.41 | JeffM | makes some amount of sense to me |
| 02:46.49 | JeffM | I mean if you are going to have "health" |
| 02:46.50 | DTRemenak | yeah, just puts some weird limits on things |
| 02:47.00 | JeffM | yeah there are limits on surges per day |
| 02:47.07 | DTRemenak | and I haven't figured out what the limiting factor for actual play is |
| 02:47.28 | JeffM | Sans powers, a person only gets one surge per fight |
| 02:47.34 | DTRemenak | and I guess I really should pick a character, huh :) |
| 02:47.48 | JeffM | clerics and warlords let people take up more surges per fight |
| 02:47.53 | JeffM | or sometimes give them free surges |
| 02:47.56 | Lukstr | btw, DTR, did you perchance take a look at my last few commits worth of Makefiles? |
| 02:48.11 | DTRemenak | Lukstr: yeah, I started building them on my linux box at work |
| 02:48.23 | DTRemenak | never checked to see if they finished though |
| 02:48.26 | DTRemenak | hides |
| 02:48.26 | JeffM | the other thing they do, is let others take surges out of turn, so that can keep them alive. |
| 02:48.35 | Lukstr | alright :P |
| 02:48.50 | JeffM | takes it to #bzchat :) |
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| 03:03.10 | Quol | anyone here remember that the config entry that controls the minimizing to the taskbar when the bzflag window looses focus...I want to disable that, but I can't remember the config entry.... |
| 03:03.44 | DTRemenak | Win32NoMin, possibly with an underscore in front |
| 03:04.26 | Quol | DTRemenak, will try - thx... |
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| 03:18.06 | Quol | DTRemenak, set Win32NoMin 1 - that was it - thx |
| 03:18.31 | DTRemenak | np |
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| 14:56.03 | Thumper_ | ~botmail for JeffM The fastmap plugin is broken - it segfaults on startup - I've commented it out for now just to keep the bzflag3.norang.ca:10000 server up |
| 14:57.32 | Thumper_ | ~botmail for JeffM nevermind - just saw the commit msg about incompatibility between webreport/fastmap/webstats |
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| 15:04.14 | Thumper_ | fastmap is borken - still segfaults when you load it all alone and I don't get a core file :/ |
| 15:11.37 | Winny | Thumper_, "<CIA-35> BZFlag: *NOTE* fastmap can not be used with webreport, webstats, or webadmin until they are upgraded to the new system as well." |
| 15:11.49 | Thumper_ | Winny: yes I saw that (botmail #2) |
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| 15:11.53 | Thumper_ | but it still crashes all alone |
| 15:12.08 | Thumper_ | src/bzfs/bzfs -loadplugin plugins/fastmap/.libs/fastmap -> segfault |
| 15:18.51 | spldart | Oh.. Is that how you do botmail |
| 15:25.39 | Thumper_ | had just a few core files this morning... (something like 30) |
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| 15:41.11 | Thumper_ | morning jeff |
| 15:41.20 | Thumper_ | JeffM |
| 15:42.14 | JeffM | hallo |
| 15:42.26 | Thumper_ | fastmap is broken - segfaults on load |
| 15:42.35 | Thumper_ | I've loaded up your botmailbox - you can just clear my stuff out |
| 15:45.47 | Thumper_ | JeffM: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m517aa686 |
| 15:49.36 | JeffM | Thumper_: are you running JUST fastmap? |
| 15:49.47 | JeffM | or do you have webreport or webstats loaded too? |
| 15:51.03 | Thumper_ | yes only fastmap |
| 15:51.07 | JeffM | k |
| 15:51.20 | Thumper_ | src/bzfs/bzfs -loadplugin plugins/fastmap/.libs/fastmap |
| 15:51.55 | Thumper_ | not sure if this helps or not: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m6eb0dae0 |
| 15:54.28 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r17697 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/fastmap/fastmap.cpp: store the baseURL when we use it so we don't use an unnamed temp that may go out of scope too fast. |
| 15:54.33 | JeffM | try that |
| 15:54.49 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 15:55.41 | JeffM | now do you also have the HTTPServer plugin in the path? |
| 15:55.47 | JeffM | cus it needs to load that |
| 15:56.36 | Thumper_ | still crashes |
| 15:56.45 | JeffM | same place? |
| 15:56.55 | Thumper_ | hmmm no different path |
| 15:57.06 | Thumper_ | I'm running from the source tree |
| 15:57.09 | Thumper_ | right now |
| 15:57.47 | JeffM | fastmap and all the new HTTP plugins will call loadplugin HTTPServer |
| 15:57.52 | JeffM | that has to work |
| 15:57.56 | JeffM | tho they should not crash |
| 15:58.07 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 15:58.14 | JeffM | I'd say set a breakpoint in the plugin and step to see where it dies |
| 15:58.27 | JeffM | I tested fastmap before I commited it and it works on windows |
| 15:58.41 | Thumper_ | yeah have to spend some time with gdb/ddd first |
| 15:59.11 | Thumper_ | I'll let you know what I figure out (if anything) |
| 15:59.12 | JeffM | I'd start debuging at this line |
| 15:59.18 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.32 | JeffM | and step into the fastmap constructor |
| 15:59.50 | JeffM | that will call BZFSHTTPVDir() |
| 15:59.55 | JeffM | and that does the loadplugin |
| 16:00.08 | JeffM | then maybe step into registerVDir() |
| 16:00.13 | JeffM | and see if the callbacks work |
| 16:00.37 | JeffM | the trace you sent me is wierd |
| 16:00.42 | Thumper_ | yes it is |
| 16:00.50 | JeffM | it says it's dying in bz_debugMessage(4,"Fastmap plugin loaded"); |
| 16:00.56 | JeffM | and that dosn't DO an ything |
| 16:01.15 | Thumper_ | unless the stack is totally corrupted at that point |
| 16:01.27 | JeffM | if it is, then something OUTSIDE the plugins did that |
| 16:01.34 | JeffM | cus that is the first line in the plugin |
| 16:01.44 | JeffM | the server hasn't even been constructed yet |
| 16:01.49 | JeffM | HTTP server that is |
| 16:02.20 | JeffM | you could valgrind it and see where it overflows |
| 16:02.28 | Thumper_ | That's the 2nd pastebin above |
| 16:02.41 | JeffM | that dosn't say where |
| 16:02.46 | JeffM | jus that there was one |
| 16:03.03 | JeffM | it says it's in vfprintf and that's way too late |
| 16:03.12 | JeffM | that's the actual segfault |
| 16:03.24 | JeffM | I have to showwer, brb |
| 16:03.25 | Thumper_ | ok I'll dig and get back to you |
| 16:08.53 | Thumper_ | JeffM: it's a path issue - if I put all the plugins in a single dir and bzfs -loadplugin ./fastmap it works, but when the plugins are not in the current directory it dies |
| 16:09.53 | Thumper_ | normally I put all the plugins in a subdir plugins/ |
| 16:09.59 | Thumper_ | and that fails and segfaults |
| 16:10.45 | Thumper_ | -loadplugin plugins/fastmap segfaults (probably because it can't find the server plugin which would also be in plugins/) |
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| 16:21.32 | JeffM | ok then we neeed to debug why the load crashes |
| 16:21.39 | JeffM | it's suposed to fail cleanly |
| 16:22.52 | Thumper_ | ~/bin/bzfs-trunk -dd -loadplugin ./fastmap.so -p 10000 |
| 16:22.53 | Thumper_ | Plugin:HTTPServer not found, error HTTPServer.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 16:22.56 | Thumper_ | Plugin:./fastmap.so loaded |
| 16:22.56 | Thumper_ | ... |
| 16:22.58 | Thumper_ | defining world |
| 16:23.05 | Thumper_ | that runs but complains about HTTPServer not found |
| 16:23.06 | JeffM | that should be fine |
| 16:23.13 | JeffM | ok good |
| 16:23.16 | JeffM | that's what it SHOULD do |
| 16:23.23 | JeffM | try to load the HTTPServer |
| 16:23.29 | JeffM | if it fails |
| 16:23.34 | JeffM | fastmap will load but not host |
| 16:23.37 | Thumper_ | explicitly with a -loadplugin ? |
| 16:23.40 | JeffM | it's not a hard dependency |
| 16:24.07 | JeffM | basicly fastmap calls it's own -loadplugin ;) |
| 16:24.56 | Thumper_ | ~/bin/bzfs-trunk -dd -loadplugin ./HTTPServer.so -loadplugin ./fastmap.so -p 10000 |
| 16:24.59 | Thumper_ | Plugin:./HTTPServer.so loaded |
| 16:25.02 | Thumper_ | HTTPServer *WARNING* plug-in loaded more then once, this instance will not be used |
| 16:25.05 | Thumper_ | Plugin:HTTPServer loaded |
| 16:25.06 | JeffM | yeah don't do that |
| 16:25.07 | Thumper_ | Plugin:./fastmap.so loaded |
| 16:25.10 | Thumper_ | ... |
| 16:25.11 | Thumper_ | ok :) |
| 16:25.14 | Thumper_ | Segmentation fault |
| 16:25.15 | JeffM | you should NEVER load it manualy |
| 16:25.21 | JeffM | tho it shoudl be safe |
| 16:25.28 | JeffM | yeah you'll have to debug the seg |
| 16:25.33 | JeffM | I'm not sure why |
| 16:25.55 | JeffM | HTTPServer.so does all it can to make sure that it only does it's stuff once |
| 16:26.05 | Thumper_ | ok I'll try to figure out what causes the segfaults |
| 16:26.33 | Thumper_ | debugging plugins in gdb is weird... the symbols aren't loaded until the plugin is loaded...and loading hte plugin crashes.. :-P |
| 16:26.42 | Thumper_ | so it might take awhile for me to figure this out |
| 16:26.43 | delusional_ | from bzbb "We have 20009 registered users" |
| 16:26.49 | Thumper_ | but yeah segfaults are bad |
| 16:26.56 | JeffM | Thumper_: put a breakpoint in load1plugin |
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| 16:28.04 | Thumper_ | I tried that earlier today but didn't get very far with it - I'll do that again |
| 16:28.22 | JeffM | there are 2 functions called that |
| 16:28.26 | JeffM | make sure you get the second one |
| 16:28.31 | JeffM | thats the non windows one |
| 16:28.41 | JeffM | you want to put it on this line |
| 16:28.42 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.45 | Thumper_ | hmmm ok it was stepping through it (and seemed to loop alot) |
| 16:29.28 | JeffM | then you want to step into |
| 16:29.28 | JeffM | if((*lpProc)(config.c_str())) |
| 16:29.39 | JeffM | that should take you into fastmaps bz_Load function |
| 16:29.56 | JeffM | then keep steping in and that will eventualy get you to bz_loadPlugin in the API |
| 16:30.08 | JeffM | that will take you back to load1plugin, but this time for HTTPServer |
| 16:30.18 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 16:30.39 | Thumper_ | can I run this out of the source/build dirs or do I have to move fastmap.so and HTTPServer.so into the same dir so fastmap can find it? |
| 16:30.52 | JeffM | I'd do whatever you did to make it crash |
| 16:31.31 | JeffM | if it can't find HTTPServer.so it's suposed to fail |
| 16:31.39 | JeffM | and fastmap will load but never host |
| 16:31.45 | Thumper_ | ok - I have two different segfaults - one running from the source tree and one with both in the same dir |
| 16:31.47 | JeffM | but it should be perfectly fine |
| 16:31.55 | Thumper_ | i'll work on both |
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| 16:58.06 | Thumper_ | JeffM: how many times are you expecting load1Plugin to get called for src/bzfs/bzfs -loadplugin plugins/fastmap/.libs/fastmap.so ? |
| 16:58.52 | Thumper_ | < 10 ? |
| 16:59.38 | JeffM | 2 |
| 16:59.43 | Thumper_ | it's looping |
| 16:59.52 | JeffM | dunno then |
| 16:59.57 | JeffM | perhaps linux sucks ;) |
| 17:00.04 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 17:00.42 | Thumper_ | 2 is what I was expecting |
| 17:01.08 | Thumper_ | but... the gdb stacktrace has thousands (13000+ frames) |
| 17:01.24 | Thumper_ | s/stacktrade/backtrace/ |
| 17:01.38 | Thumper_ | and it wasn't done ( I killed it) |
| 17:01.39 | brlcad | then you probably blew the stack |
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| 18:27.51 | bugQ | is there any more documentation on this? http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZAuthd#Authentication_Process |
| 18:29.22 | bugQ | or examples. |
| 18:29.47 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03wyk3d * r17702 10/trunk/bzauthd/ (26 files in 3 dirs): |
| 18:29.47 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: * Added new files to the bzauthd project |
| 18:29.48 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: * Fixed some build paths for the test project |
| 18:29.48 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: * Added more randomness |
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| 18:34.02 | TD--Linux | Epyon, ooh, it still works :D |
| 18:38.54 | bugQ | oh, nevermind. |
| 18:39.15 | whodaman- | commits, yay :D |
| 18:44.22 | bugQ | what I meant was, where do I send username/token for verification? |
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| 18:54.06 | bugQ | nevermind, again. |
| 18:56.07 | Thumper_ | bugQ: bzflag/misc/checkToken.php has some code (in PHP) to verify the token using the existing auth system |
| 18:56.16 | bugQ | yeah, I just found it. :) |
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| 19:06.53 | Tupone | wonders why observer_bolt.png is in. Any usage? |
| 19:09.33 | Winny | used for wordweapons I believe, Tupone |
| 19:09.59 | Tupone | I'll add to make dist then |
| 19:10.24 | Tupone | from the name should be a weapon for observer ?? |
| 19:15.02 | whodaman- | compiling from trunk. http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m6146597 after ./configure |
| 19:15.40 | whodaman- | but http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m53da10f3 after running make |
| 19:15.54 | whodaman- | (OS X, 10.5.3, intel) |
| 19:15.59 | Winny | that's no the error, scroll up |
| 19:17.08 | whodaman- | these are the lines above: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m29948c78 |
| 19:19.13 | whodaman- | Winny, would that be it? |
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| 19:46.56 | Thumper_ | Tupone: I don't think observer_bolt.png is used for anything in branch - it's been pulled from trunk |
| 19:47.24 | Tupone | ok. |
| 19:49.41 | Thumper_ | Tupone: actually it looks like it moved to data/skins/observer/bolt.png in trunk |
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| 20:14.49 | Tupone | JeffM: do you know any reason to have observer_bolt.png in 2.0.x ? |
| 20:15.23 | JeffM | so that some of the loaders work |
| 20:15.30 | JeffM | no real reason |
| 20:15.40 | JeffM | there is "feature" that shoots a shot from an observer |
| 20:15.55 | Tupone | 'cause is not in the packages, but is in svn |
| 20:16.31 | JeffM | it should be fine |
| 20:16.36 | JeffM | the game will run with out it IIRC |
| 20:16.49 | Tupone | so I remove it in branch |
| 20:19.34 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r17705 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/data/observer_bolt.png: Not used |
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| 20:46.43 | BulletCatcher | A problem that affects both trunk and branch is that "make install" puts plugins in $libdir ($prefix/lib), but bzfs looks for them in $pkglibdir ($prefix/lib/bzflag). |
| 20:46.45 | BulletCatcher | I have a 1-line Makefile change to make bzfs to look in $libdir, but if we want the plugins to be somewhere else it will require more extensive changes. Suggestions? |
| 20:48.33 | Tupone | $libdir ?? I don't like it |
| 20:48.45 | Tupone | I prefer pkglibdir |
| 20:49.10 | Tupone | even if I don't use plugins at all |
| 20:52.02 | BulletCatcher | I agree. Fedora Linux, at least, uses --prefix=/usr so $libdir is /usr/lib, which includes many non-BZFlag .so libraries that we would not want to even try loading. |
| 20:52.15 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r17707 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/Makefile.am: A missing change - from - removing doc |
| 20:52.26 | BulletCatcher | Fedora gets around this by defining libdir=/usr/lib/bzflag in the RPM spec. |
| 20:52.58 | Tupone | I don't like ad hoc redefinitions |
| 20:53.12 | Tupone | Better we fix the bads |
| 20:53.46 | BulletCatcher | So we should change "make install" to put the plugins into $pkglibdir? |
| 20:54.37 | Tupone | For me it's the good way. But I don't use it, and I don't install at all in the gentoo ebuild |
| 20:59.50 | BulletCatcher | I think the fix is simply to change lib_LTLIBRARIES to pkglib_LTLIBRARIES in each of the plugin Makefile.am files. I am testing this now. |
| 21:10.17 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03wyk3d * r17708 10/trunk/bzauthd/ (12 files in 3 dirs): |
| 21:10.17 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: * Added some log, nethandler, config and platform code |
| 21:10.17 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: * Reverted to fprintf(stderr..) in the ldap test code, it got fixed by itself |
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| 21:16.40 | BulletCatcher | Yes, lib_LTLIBRARIES -> pkglib_LTLIBRARIES successfully relocates the plugins in branch. If it is okay with you, Tupone, I'll commit that change after further testing. |
| 21:16.57 | BulletCatcher | In trunk there are complications with that change that I will go into later. |
| 21:18.09 | Tupone | I'm ok with that |
| 21:18.19 | BulletCatcher | Okay, thanks. |
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| 21:52.24 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r17709 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ (15 files in 15 dirs): Make dist fixes |
| 22:00.03 | CIA-35 | BZFlag: 03bullet_catcher * r17710 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/plugins/ (26 files in 26 dirs): Install plugins in the $pkglibdir directory, where bzfs already looks for them and where there should be no conflict with non-BZFlag libraries. |
| 22:05.14 | Tupone | I hope you did actually merge my changes :) |
| 22:05.21 | BulletCatcher | Yes, I did. |
| 22:05.29 | Tupone | :) |
| 22:06.02 | BulletCatcher | :-) I was *almost* done committing when r17709 showed up. |
| 22:06.39 | Tupone | I found that playing.o with ffast-math does show only shadows with gcc-4.3 and -O2 :/ No tanks, no walls, no pyr ... |
| 22:06.56 | Tupone | have to see why |
| 22:07.01 | BulletCatcher | huh |
| 22:07.14 | Tupone | but is late. Ciao to all |
| 22:07.19 | BulletCatcher | 'night |
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