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| 00:25.16 | catay | JeffM2501: should the current hostban event be a notification or modifciation event ? |
| 00:25.28 | JeffM2501 | notification |
| 00:25.42 | catay | so, it should not be allowed to change the banner playerid? |
| 00:25.49 | catay | thats currently the case |
| 00:27.22 | JeffM2501 | yeah I'd pull it out and make it notifiaciton |
| 00:27.26 | JeffM2501 | then add a new mod event |
| 00:27.29 | JeffM2501 | or vise versa |
| 00:27.33 | JeffM2501 | but there should be 2 |
| 00:28.31 | catay | ok, i'll make it a notification event in the wiki documentation then |
| 00:28.54 | JeffM2501 | cool |
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| 00:51.33 | Flash | when debug (-dddd) is enabled on the server, where does this string get generated: uread() len 31 from 127.0.0.1:55030 on 4 |
| 00:51.42 | Flash | I've looked and looked and can't find it |
| 00:54.17 | blast007 | ./src/game/NetHandler.cxx |
| 00:54.22 | Flash | thx |
| 00:54.32 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:54.38 | JeffM2501 | search it's your friend ;) |
| 00:54.53 | Flash | still trying to figure out which directories are used by which executables |
| 00:54.57 | L4m3r | grep ftw |
| 00:55.09 | Flash | I was grep'ing, but with too narrow scope |
| 00:55.11 | JeffM2501 | search em all |
| 00:55.16 | L4m3r | grep -r ;) |
| 00:55.19 | JeffM2501 | "find all in solution" ;) |
| 00:55.50 | blast007 | I prefer MSVC's search, since I don't have to exclude the .svn directories and binary files ;) |
| 00:56.20 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 00:56.29 | JeffM2501 | and it dosn't hit plug-ins and stuff |
| 00:56.47 | blast007 | though I do use grep sometimes on Windows as well |
| 00:56.59 | blast007 | unxutils ftw |
| 00:57.00 | JeffM2501 | there is an advantgage to your editor knowing what files are used in the project :) |
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| 00:57.07 | blast007 | tothedeath: hello |
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| 01:00.28 | spldart | is it just me or does the latest build of trunk produce insta-crashes |
| 01:00.41 | blast007 | windows or linux? |
| 01:01.02 | JeffM2501 | windows crashes on launch |
| 01:01.11 | JeffM2501 | linux has connection issues |
| 01:01.16 | blast007 | heh |
| 01:01.27 | JeffM2501 | and it is all the fault of ares |
| 01:01.28 | blast007 | is it related to ares in both caes? |
| 01:01.30 | JeffM2501 | and DTRemenak |
| 01:01.32 | blast007 | ;) |
| 01:01.33 | JeffM2501 | I belive so yeah |
| 01:01.40 | JeffM2501 | I build and run with old ares |
| 01:01.49 | JeffM2501 | and otehrs can conenct to servers via IP only |
| 01:02.02 | JeffM2501 | I'm gonna go out on a limb and say "ares" on that one |
| 01:02.23 | JeffM2501 | the crash on windows is BIZARE |
| 01:02.39 | JeffM2501 | I have a gut feeling about what it is, but if I'm right the fix is not pretty |
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| 01:04.40 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r17043 10/trunk/bzflag/ (274 files in 14 dirs): |
| 01:04.40 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: handle ares the same way we do regex. the abi may break between versions; sync |
| 01:04.40 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: bzares.h with the current ares header file, and only use the system one if it's |
| 01:04.40 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: not broken. update our libcurl to 7.18.1 so it doesn't complain about ares. |
| 01:04.40 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: give a configure check for ares a shot (dunno if it works yet)...should fail on |
| 01:04.43 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: ares <1.5 and fall back to builtin. |
| 01:05.08 | blast007 | weee |
| 01:05.16 | spldart | Thanks for the explain P) |
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| 01:05.31 | blast007 | tothedeath: need help with something? |
| 01:05.48 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak: you there? |
| 01:05.52 | DTRemenak | mhm |
| 01:06.02 | JeffM2501 | have you read any of our issues with ares? |
| 01:06.10 | JeffM2501 | and does that fix some of them? |
| 01:06.13 | DTRemenak | have you read my latest commit message? |
| 01:06.14 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 01:06.17 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 01:06.18 | JeffM2501 | I'll try |
| 01:06.25 | DTRemenak | all the shit has to match |
| 01:06.36 | DTRemenak | silly callbacks |
| 01:06.40 | JeffM2501 | wow... I didn't think I'd have to say this to you, language ;) |
| 01:06.47 | JeffM2501 | 274 files |
| 01:06.53 | JeffM2501 | ok, yeah you get a curse word ;) |
| 01:07.09 | DTRemenak | isn't terribly happy with the ares maintainers at the moment |
| 01:07.20 | JeffM2501 | can we get our changes merged in? |
| 01:07.30 | DTRemenak | what changes? |
| 01:07.33 | JeffM2501 | I was less the pleased to see the loss of all the warning fixes |
| 01:07.51 | DTRemenak | they're fixed upstream already anyway, 'cept for maybe two or three |
| 01:07.59 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 01:08.07 | DTRemenak | there's a stray size_t issue or two iirc |
| 01:09.05 | JeffM2501 | unreverts |
| 01:10.20 | JeffM2501 | at first when I saw the crash in ares, I thought it was cus I didn't have any interwebs, cus I was having lunch |
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| 01:10.45 | DTRemenak | naw, it was 'cause I didn't update our ares.h to match ares' |
| 01:11.08 | DTRemenak | having it there at all was an ugly hack, so I decided it'd be better to just fix it |
| 01:11.12 | JeffM2501 | yeah I steped in, and it was wierd, a memember just went "away" |
| 01:11.21 | DTRemenak | and that broke configure, and curl, and a bunch of other stuff |
| 01:11.29 | JeffM2501 | you sure that's not a 'feature' ;) |
| 01:12.32 | DTRemenak | isn't one of the POINTS of using a library that you don't have to change your own code when the library updates? |
| 01:12.59 | JeffM2501 | except when the library goes off and changes it all for you? ;) |
| 01:13.08 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 01:13.12 | JeffM2501 | hey look, it runs again |
| 01:13.20 | JeffM2501 | ~dtremenak++ |
| 01:13.24 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 01:13.49 | DTRemenak | yeah, on windows at least it'll work right. on *nix it should if you use --build-ares explicitly, I dunno about the system ares detection stuff though. |
| 01:15.52 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03catay * r17044 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/BanCommands.cxx: |
| 01:15.52 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: Do nothing if plugin changes banner id in the hostban event. |
| 01:15.52 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: This event is notification only. A different event should |
| 01:15.52 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: deal with modifications. Also documented now at the wiki |
| 01:15.52 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Bz_eHostBanEvent#Data |
| 01:15.57 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r17045 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/curl/ (4 files in 2 dirs): a few missing files |
| 01:16.19 | JeffM2501 | catay: move the event to be called after the ban |
| 01:16.26 | JeffM2501 | then they can't modify it ;) |
| 01:18.03 | catay | yes, good idea |
| 01:20.32 | catay | the antiban checks can also be removed then, the one in doBanKick should suffice then , right? |
| 01:21.09 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 01:21.20 | JeffM2501 | always good to make code simpler ;) |
| 01:21.43 | catay | yup |
| 01:22.11 | JeffM2501 | goes to buy a wallet |
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| 01:22.50 | catay | i'll change it tomorrow , need sleep now ::) |
| 01:24.01 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r17046 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/curl/configure.ac: didn't check in tests or packages, don't try to build them |
| 01:26.38 | Flash | I'm nearing my wits end. I'm hamstrung by my lack of understanding of the dialog between the server and client |
| 01:27.17 | Flash | The change back in 2006 tried to eliminate the RemotePlayer for robots in the client, but it doesn't quite do that |
| 01:27.46 | Flash | I can coerce the RemotePlayer to be alive and see the robots in the score list and see their shots, but that's all |
| 01:28.10 | Flash | I'm also thinking that the change from ServerLink per tank/robot to one serverlink is a problem |
| 01:28.27 | Flash | but I can't get the server to like my Robots if I give them a unique ServerLink |
| 01:29.09 | Flash | In Roster::lookupPlayer, the RobotPlayer is always returned |
| 01:29.27 | Flash | but in playing.cxx:drawFrame, only the RemotePlayer are looped over |
| 01:29.46 | Flash | I can add the robots to drawFrame, but they show up as NR |
| 01:31.50 | Flash | so my questions are: what does my robot have to do so that it will "respond" (i.e., not be NR)? |
| 01:32.07 | Flash | and what is required to have multiple (valid) ServerLink objects in a single client? |
| 01:35.01 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r17047 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/curl/configure.ac: eol-style native for configure.ac |
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| 01:42.07 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r17048 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/curl/Makefile.am: no tests or packages |
| 01:49.36 | CIA-32 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r17049 10/trunk/bzflag/include/Makefile.am: ares.h->bzares.h |
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| 02:02.39 | bugQ | oh, oops. |
| 02:02.41 | bugQ | when is/was the gsoc app gaming session? |
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| 02:03.36 | lol_u | Hello Everyone! |
| 02:03.47 | lol_u | I need assistance on Ibzedit |
| 02:03.52 | bugQ | How Are You Gentleman. |
| 02:04.02 | lol_u | Very good thank yoi |
| 02:04.07 | lol_u | you* |
| 02:04.24 | lol_u | can someone help me please on iBZedit? |
| 02:04.39 | bugQ | I'm afraid I can't. |
| 02:04.59 | lol_u | Ok...im just trying to make a map and all i need to know is how to add textures |
| 02:05.06 | lol_u | On buildings |
| 02:05.43 | lol_u | Winny are you there? |
| 02:05.53 | bugQ | signs point to: not possible. |
| 02:06.14 | lol_u | weird...how do people add textures then? |
| 02:06.22 | bugQ | hand coding, i'd presume. |
| 02:06.41 | lol_u | ok...OH! i forgot to check the WIki! ;) |
| 02:07.18 | lol_u | oh one more question how come I can't run my map? Its not done but I click on test map and it says can not connect to server |
| 02:07.47 | bugQ | maybe it needs a running bzfs. |
| 02:08.45 | bugQ | wait, doesn't seem like it should. |
| 02:11.06 | lol_u | ? im confused |
| 02:11.22 | bugQ | i am too. |
| 02:11.24 | lol_u | BTW im running MAC OSX |
| 02:11.36 | lol_u | well is there anyone else that can help me? |
| 02:12.34 | bugQ | yeah, I think you need to have bzfs installed so that it can set up a test server for you. |
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| 02:12.58 | lol_u | Not a test server |
| 02:13.03 | lol_u | I want to test localy |
| 02:13.13 | lol_u | like at my computer... |
| 02:13.25 | bugQ | well yes, it sets up a local server and opens bzflag to connect to that. |
| 02:13.38 | bugQ | even though 'local server' sounds odd. |
| 02:14.21 | lol_u | yea |
| 02:14.23 | lol_u | yeah* |
| 02:24.47 | Winny | lol_u, ? |
| 02:25.25 | lol_u | hey winny |
| 02:26.07 | lol_u | can u help me on my map? Im making a map on Ibzedit |
| 02:26.18 | Winny | never used iBZEdit |
| 02:26.21 | lol_u | oh |
| 02:26.30 | lol_u | but do u know how to add textures? |
| 02:26.37 | Winny | read the wiki |
| 02:26.41 | lol_u | i did |
| 02:27.00 | lol_u | couldnt find a decent manuel that can help beginners |
| 02:27.49 | lol_u | and I cant start my map...like im trying to test my map in progress |
| 02:27.55 | bugQ | googling pulled up some posts that seemed to suggest that texturing was not available in ibzedit. |
| 02:28.27 | lol_u | ok thanks for your time BugQ |
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| 02:58.53 | L4m3r | red mango ^_^ |
| 02:59.00 | L4m3r | oops |
| 02:59.02 | L4m3r | ~ww |
| 02:59.02 | ibot | No, you are just wrong. |
| 02:59.04 | Winny | hehe |
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| 04:57.27 | mib_fcj9uw | in mapmaking, how do i get bzfs to stop tripping over include "C:\documents and settings\etc" |
| 04:57.46 | mib_fcj9uw | it keeps saying that it can't find the file C:\Documents |
| 05:01.41 | JeffM | where does it say that? |
| 05:02.14 | mib_fcj9uw | when i try to use an include statement in a bzw file |
| 05:02.43 | JeffM | ahh |
| 05:02.53 | JeffM | probably put it in quotes |
| 05:03.03 | JeffM | or that feature is not intended for paths with spaces |
| 05:03.26 | JeffM | not many people do full paths for includes |
| 05:03.38 | JeffM | that would tie it to your specific machine |
| 05:05.23 | JeffM | hosting on windows is also rare |
| 05:07.10 | mib_fcj9uw | i'm not hosting, i'm just mapmaking |
| 05:07.47 | JeffM | then hardcoding absolute paths in't great, you'll have to edit them later |
| 05:08.12 | mib_fcj9uw | i was trying it so i could find a problem |
| 05:08.20 | JeffM | ahh |
| 05:08.33 | JeffM | well I'd try quotes, but it would not suprise me if that dosn't support spaces |
| 05:09.04 | mib_fcj9uw | quotes don't work |
| 05:09.35 | JeffM | then I am not suprised ;) |
| 05:09.54 | blast007 | what if you escape the spaces with a \ ? |
| 05:10.17 | blast007 | I guess worst case you could use 8.3 notation |
| 05:31.26 | DTRemenak | includes are not officially supported. there are LOTS of cases they don't handle |
| 05:31.38 | DTRemenak | that's why they weren't documented |
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| 12:57.33 | Thumper_ | blast007: I put a replay server up for trunk |
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| 14:04.54 | catay | DTRemenak: fyi. On my linux system with no system c-ares installed trunk works ( i can connect to servers) |
| 14:05.50 | catay | DTRemenak: on my other system with system c-ares v1.3.0 installed, configure says it used the bzflag c-ares although I can't connect to servers |
| 14:06.07 | catay | DTRemenak: I can't connect to ip's, but no hostnames |
| 14:07.06 | catay | DTRemenak: also, an ldd of bzflag binary shows it uses my system c-ares lib |
| 14:07.58 | catay | DTRemenak: should be ' I can connect to ip's , but no hostnames' |
| 14:08.11 | catay | DTRemenak: hope it makes a bit sense what i'm saying here :P |
| 14:08.18 | whodaman | hehe |
| 14:08.47 | catay | whodaman: how is the 1vs1 server setup going ? :P |
| 14:09.00 | catay | you still got 2 weeks to fix it :P |
| 14:09.14 | catay | tournament starts 4 may :) |
| 14:10.38 | spldart | Same here fresh linux build trunk and no c-ares worked |
| 14:12.35 | whodaman | catay, meh - bug me some other time :p |
| 14:13.10 | catay | whodaman: well, we can't use them if it's not working, the automatic match reporting is very important |
| 14:13.22 | whodaman | [16:09] <catay> you still got 2 weeks to fix it :P |
| 14:19.35 | Thumper_ | spldart: can you connect and spawn? I connect but can't spawn and F12 doesn't work for me |
| 14:20.50 | catay | Thumper_: maybe it has somethng to do with an old build where something screwed your config ? |
| 14:21.02 | catay | Thumper_: try removing your config file |
| 14:21.09 | Thumper_ | possibly. it worked before :) |
| 14:21.43 | catay | there was an issue where key bindings were removed from the config file |
| 14:22.26 | Thumper_ | same thing. ESC quit yes works but F12 doesn't and i/right mouse won't spawn |
| 14:22.35 | Thumper_ | I renamed 3.0's config.cfg away |
| 14:23.51 | catay | odd, that issue sounds the same as the config issue |
| 14:24.10 | catay | specially the F12 that isn't working is annoying :) |
| 14:24.45 | spldart | I'm connection and spawning |
| 14:24.58 | spldart | and f12 is working... as of a build I did 20 minutes ago |
| 14:25.00 | catay | yes , thats also working here with latest trunk build |
| 14:25.17 | Thumper_ | guess I'll rebuild mine from scratch and see if that helps |
| 14:25.45 | spldart | Thumper_ I had the f12 issue as late as yesterday night |
| 14:27.11 | Thumper_ | ok my mistake... I forgot to svn up for my bzflag build... (I did for the servers) doh. |
| 14:27.18 | Thumper_ | sorry for the noise |
| 14:27.43 | spldart | I'm just now updating my two servers's bzfs's |
| 14:27.58 | Thumper_ | spldart: I added a replay server |
| 14:28.05 | Thumper_ | but I can't test it yet... |
| 14:29.37 | spldart | I heard... I was thinking of you two when testing replay came up a day or three ago |
| 14:30.19 | Thumper_ | yeah I saw that |
| 14:30.25 | spldart | :) |
| 14:30.43 | Thumper_ | which is why I'm running a 3.0 replay server as of today |
| 14:33.58 | spldart | s/two/too |
| 14:34.05 | spldart | My brain is not awake yet |
| 14:43.18 | spldart | turns into a small engine mechanic on the front porch |
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| 14:47.17 | catay | transformers! |
| 14:55.07 | Thumper_ | watches spldart engine tranform into a boat anchor :) |
| 14:55.20 | Thumper_ | spldart's* |
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| 14:57.03 | lol_u | Hey everyone! |
| 14:57.38 | Winny | can we help you? |
| 14:57.43 | lol_u | Yes please |
| 14:57.45 | lol_u | well |
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| 14:58.06 | lol_u | Winny I need to put texture on my boxes! Is there any other software that lets you do that? |
| 14:58.16 | lol_u | Wiki didnt help! |
| 14:58.23 | Winny | nope |
| 14:58.26 | Winny | you do it by hand |
| 14:58.48 | lol_u | So when you say by hand I need to run a text formated document? |
| 14:59.26 | Winny | you open it in a text editor and add it manually |
| 14:59.49 | lol_u | do you know what the codes are? or do you know where I can find the codes? |
| 14:59.58 | Winny | on the wiki |
| 15:00.06 | lol_u | ok |
| 15:00.11 | lol_u | What do I search |
| 15:00.16 | lol_u | for exactly? |
| 15:01.53 | Winny | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Material |
| 15:05.44 | lol_u | Thank you Winny! |
| 15:05.47 | lol_u | :) |
| 15:06.50 | lol_u | Ok gonna go work on my map! Thanks alot Winny...Have a good day |
| 15:06.57 | lol_u | im done |
| 15:10.15 | whodaman | heh |
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| 16:37.09 | Flash | blast007: did you see my rant last night? |
| 16:37.35 | Flash | I need some help from someone who knows the system WAY better than I do |
| 16:39.29 | Flash | whistles in the wind |
| 16:39.50 | blast007 | oh, for the bots? |
| 16:47.59 | donny_baker | blast007: bah... you beat me with your post ;) |
| 16:48.29 | blast007 | which one? |
| 16:48.39 | blast007 | oh, psp |
| 16:49.51 | blast007 | I love how people are always "dude, can I play bzflag on my <some console/handheld>??" |
| 16:51.18 | whodaman | blast007, "No..." "What if I'm l337?!" |
| 16:51.30 | whodaman | but yeah |
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| 16:56.33 | blast007 | though it might be possible for the Xbox 360... they do have that XNA stuff, but that's typically C# |
| 16:57.23 | JeffM | and directX |
| 16:57.35 | blast007 | oh yeah :) that too |
| 16:57.51 | JeffM | also has to be distributed via MS |
| 16:58.54 | blast007 | for testing the app, can you just copy it over to the system? |
| 16:59.01 | JeffM | nope |
| 16:59.07 | blast007 | guess I should read up on this |
| 16:59.08 | JeffM | not with out paying 500$ IIRC |
| 16:59.16 | blast007 | ah, fun |
| 16:59.54 | JeffM | on the xbox live store is an XNA dev package that you purchase that enablaes that one xbox to run stuff for debuging |
| 17:00.01 | JeffM | most debuging is done in an emulator on your PC |
| 17:00.39 | blast007 | "The Professional version of XNA Game Studio must be used to create commercial games for the Xbox 360." Would we need to be "commercial" since we're LGPL? Or is that only if we sell the game? |
| 17:01.11 | JeffM | if you want to distribute games to regular people, you are comercial |
| 17:01.18 | JeffM | MS would sell BZ |
| 17:01.26 | JeffM | they don't do free software |
| 17:01.41 | JeffM | XNA is not designed to support open source |
| 17:01.52 | JeffM | it's similar to the iPhone SDK |
| 17:02.25 | JeffM | ahh I was wrong on the price |
| 17:02.37 | JeffM | its' 100$ a year per xbox to debug on the machine |
| 17:03.08 | blast007 | also in their EULA: "You may not implement any text chat functionality in any programs." |
| 17:03.09 | JeffM | you have to have an XNA creators club subscription |
| 17:03.15 | JeffM | nope |
| 17:03.18 | JeffM | all has to be voice |
| 17:03.50 | blast007 | so no real point then... it wouldn't be able to connect to the main bzflag servers |
| 17:03.52 | JeffM | cus 360's don't have keyboards |
| 17:04.04 | JeffM | oh no, they'd never approve that |
| 17:04.15 | blast007 | why not? |
| 17:04.18 | JeffM | it has to "fit the xbox style" before they will approve it |
| 17:04.33 | JeffM | cus they want everyone to lockin to there platform of course ;) |
| 17:04.38 | blast007 | meh |
| 17:04.40 | JeffM | remember, they ain't doing it to be nice nice |
| 17:04.43 | JeffM | it's to make money |
| 17:04.50 | JeffM | they also will not do free games |
| 17:04.56 | JeffM | they set your price |
| 17:05.05 | Gnurdux | eww yuck |
| 17:05.22 | JeffM | and there is a 120 meg limit on xbox live arcade games |
| 17:05.31 | JeffM | it's NOT an open platform |
| 17:05.36 | JeffM | it's not a PC |
| 17:05.53 | Gnurdux | that seems sort of stupid |
| 17:06.04 | Gnurdux | so your paying extra $$ for something that you arent allowed to do as much with |
| 17:06.17 | JeffM | welcome to comercial software ;) |
| 17:06.26 | JeffM | it's not the same world |
| 17:06.52 | JeffM | Tim would also have to relicense it, as they would not want the source distributed. |
| 17:07.33 | JeffM | and I belive they would tie you into an exclusive on the name |
| 17:08.25 | blast007 | I still don't see a *requirement* for the XNA stuff that it has to be commercial |
| 17:08.28 | JeffM | that way if your game is popular it can't go to the wii or PS3 |
| 17:09.14 | JeffM | blast007: check the redistorbuition stuff |
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| 17:09.18 | JeffM | it may not be listed there |
| 17:09.26 | JeffM | as thats usualy after |
| 17:09.37 | JeffM | I'll bet tehre is nothing in that eula about distrobution |
| 17:10.31 | JeffM | I bet all that info is after you spend the 100$ on the creators club license |
| 17:10.35 | blast007 | there is |
| 17:10.41 | JeffM | what's it say? |
| 17:11.40 | blast007 | legal speak |
| 17:11.48 | blast007 | ;) |
| 17:11.55 | JeffM | any of it say you are granted rights to distirbute it? |
| 17:14.32 | blast007 | ah, it says for the Windows Platform only |
| 17:14.34 | JeffM | XNA and XBL distrobution would actualy be with our reach. it woudl cost some money, and we'd have to make some compromises but we could do it. It would not be bzflag as we know it, but a game verys simiar to it. It would also take a lot of work. |
| 17:14.41 | JeffM | blast007: indeed ;) |
| 17:14.48 | JeffM | there is no way to make a disk for a 360 |
| 17:14.59 | JeffM | there is no way to get software from the internet onto a 360 |
| 17:15.05 | JeffM | it all has to go thru XBL |
| 17:15.21 | blast007 | fun, so not worth even trying |
| 17:15.35 | JeffM | only if you are basicly wanting to make a new game |
| 17:15.56 | blast007 | all the kiddies are like "omgz, can we play on PS3/PSP/XBOX????" |
| 17:15.58 | JeffM | for trying to make it be a real port of the open source code and keep it open source, no |
| 17:16.05 | JeffM | blast007: they are stupid |
| 17:16.35 | JeffM | adds a note to the enhancment FAQ |
| 17:17.02 | blast007 | but good news though! Sony has cut the price of their SDK down to $10,250! |
| 17:17.16 | JeffM | that's not bad |
| 17:17.25 | JeffM | considerign what they can be |
| 17:17.29 | blast007 | sure |
| 17:17.32 | JeffM | Ps2 one was a lot more |
| 17:17.37 | blast007 | someone said that the Wii was only $3000 |
| 17:18.00 | blast007 | but I can't find crap on that one |
| 17:18.25 | blast007 | wow, and nice grammar by phpbb: "Sorry, but only can reply to posts in this forum." |
| 17:18.38 | JeffM | I deleted it |
| 17:18.54 | JeffM | I'm adding a note to the FAQ post in that section |
| 17:19.14 | blast007 | k |
| 17:19.30 | blast007 | I made sure to save the thread as an image for laughing at later |
| 17:23.58 | JeffM | imangines how much the 360 would cost if it actualy ran open software |
| 17:25.33 | blast007 | cheaper to get a real computer |
| 17:27.59 | JeffM | I dunno |
| 17:28.15 | JeffM | the hardware in it is verys specialised |
| 17:28.25 | JeffM | you can't get a PC with a bus that fast |
| 17:28.32 | JeffM | it's a different archetecture |
| 17:28.55 | JeffM | aslo opneGL can't do all the funn stuff the xbox directX can do |
| 17:29.09 | JeffM | a lot of it lets you map directly to the hardware and do some tricky stuff |
| 17:30.05 | blast007 | well, for commercial games with big budgets, I can see that as a plus |
| 17:30.31 | blast007 | but I don't think most open-source projects have time to recode their game for every new console that comes out every few years |
| 17:33.55 | JeffM | indeed |
| 17:34.10 | JeffM | and what people don't remember is, MS makes it's money off games |
| 17:34.16 | JeffM | they sell each console at a loss |
| 17:34.48 | JeffM | the wii is the only console that is profitable at console PoS |
| 17:35.01 | JeffM | it's also the weakest in terms of hardware |
| 17:35.55 | blast007 | I might play with the XNA stuff once the zune portion is released |
| 17:35.58 | donny_baker | JeffM: but quite fun in terms of game play :) |
| 17:36.28 | JeffM | donny_baker: sure, that proves that you don't need beef to be fun, you just need a toy controller :) |
| 17:36.38 | donny_baker | exactly :) |
| 17:36.42 | JeffM | from what I understand people like wii games for a bit |
| 17:36.44 | JeffM | they are fun |
| 17:36.47 | JeffM | then they get bored |
| 17:36.50 | JeffM | and go do otehr stuff |
| 17:36.59 | JeffM | for a couple months untill another game comes out |
| 17:37.07 | blast007 | (other stuff, like playing their PS3/Xbox!) |
| 17:37.11 | JeffM | yeah |
| 17:37.22 | JeffM | third party titles are slim on the wii |
| 17:37.31 | JeffM | and nintendo will soo run out of old titles to remake |
| 17:37.31 | blast007 | I still have my PS2 ;) it's the newest console I have |
| 17:37.43 | JeffM | soon not soo |
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| 17:51.33 | Epyon | mornin' all :) |
| 17:54.46 | Manu | Epyon: morning? :) |
| 17:55.32 | Epyon | Well, it's getting dark, but I just woke up :P |
| 18:10.20 | spldart | is currently working oh the kids old PS2 |
| 18:24.15 | bugQ | aw crap, I forgot about the "play with the mentors" part of gsoc/bzflag. |
| 18:24.20 | bugQ | has that already happened? |
| 18:26.15 | bugQ | no mentors here? hm. |
| 18:26.52 | spldart | Not that iv'e heard :) |
| 18:27.26 | spldart | I guess I could have missed it cuz of RW problems but I doubt it |
| 18:28.16 | spldart | >Thumper.. engine works beautifully :-p |
| 18:28.39 | JeffM | we never did it |
| 18:28.44 | Epyon | Hey once GSoC is over, why not make a students vs. mentors match :P |
| 18:28.47 | JeffM | spent too much time fixing the bugs in 3.0 |
| 18:28.56 | Epyon | Sure it'd be one-sided, but cool nevertheless :P |
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| 18:29.02 | JeffM | Epyon: we wanted one as apart of the application process |
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| 18:29.19 | Epyon | Duuuh, to bad you didn't -- it's a really cool idea |
| 18:29.20 | JeffM | but the code, she has bugs |
| 18:29.47 | Epyon | Aaaah, on a self-compiled bz? :P |
| 18:29.57 | spldart | yeah |
| 18:30.03 | Epyon | thinks trunk is to bugged to be playable |
| 18:30.14 | bugQ | is relieved. |
| 18:30.18 | Epyon | There's something wrong with the movement, at least in my opinion :/ |
| 18:30.18 | spldart | thinks that's common knowledge |
| 18:30.18 | bugQ | go food now. |
| 18:30.39 | JeffM | Epyon: isn't that what I just said, it has bugs |
| 18:30.52 | spldart | switches machines |
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| 18:33.21 | spldart | Now..... to FINALLY find out what kinda lagstats my knew cable modem will deliver |
| 18:48.47 | spldart | 71 ms +/- 2ms |
| 19:01.01 | spldart | That was norang2. just tested on bzflagr.net and got the exact same lagstat hrm |
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| 19:19.00 | Lukstr | waves |
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| 19:20.17 | spldart | waves back |
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| 19:22.17 | Lukstr | spldart: get bzflag built? |
| 19:25.02 | spldart | 8-0 |
| 19:25.26 | spldart | I've built bzflag so many times on windows and linux I've lost count a long time ago |
| 19:26.41 | spldart | Why do you ask? That one time when I was getting errors in linux yesterday or so? |
| 19:27.11 | spldart | I changed to a fresh checkout in another dir. and it fixed it... I assume something got corrupted in my original dir. so I rm -R 'd it |
| 19:29.16 | rtfm | no, it was broken spldart |
| 19:29.43 | rtfm | were you getting errors about stuff being defined before? |
| 19:30.15 | spldart | Oh WAS it?.. LOL.. I was getting errors that Jeff said was prolly on my end.. |
| 19:30.20 | spldart | Lemme look for the pastebin |
| 19:31.11 | spldart | yep.. devines |
| 19:31.13 | spldart | err |
| 19:31.14 | spldart | defines |
| 19:31.25 | spldart | I'm running fine this morning |
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| 20:12.11 | Lukstr | spldart: yeah JeffM fixed it yesterday |
| 20:12.36 | Lukstr | the Makefile was wrong |
| 20:14.14 | blast007 | spldart: it had the .cxx file in the Makefile twice ;) |
| 20:14.20 | blast007 | explains a lot |
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| 20:33.35 | spldart | oh! |
| 20:35.23 | Constitution | sb end |
| 20:35.31 | Constitution | oops |
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| 20:51.34 | lol_u | hey everyone |
| 20:51.54 | lol_u | can someone tell me whats the name of the website that you can make a config file online? |
| 20:54.23 | blast007 | http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/*checkout*/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/misc/bzfs_conf.html |
| 20:56.11 | brad | or -> http://groupdb.links-clan.net/bzfs_conf.php |
| 20:57.31 | spldart | Or if your without inet you can have it in your friendly neighborhood trunk source :) |
| 20:57.48 | blast007 | spldart: he'll want the 2.0.x one ;) |
| 20:58.06 | blast007 | but yeah, you can download that file to your local computer |
| 20:59.14 | spldart | Yah know.. I've never looked... Is that in the branch source too? |
| 20:59.27 | spldart | I imagine so |
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| 21:00.39 | BulletCatcher | Yes, misc/bzfs_conf.html is in branch too. |
| 21:01.21 | bz92 | Guys Im using the online version of the config file builder and what do I put in "Use Public List Server" |
| 21:01.28 | Constitution | the link from blast007 is to branch |
| 21:01.29 | blast007 | leave that out |
| 21:01.42 | blast007 | bz92: you don't have to include EVERY option |
| 21:01.48 | blast007 | some of them are for advanced purposes |
| 21:02.02 | blast007 | that one is to advertise the server to a different server list |
| 21:02.02 | bz92 | oh but what does it stand for? |
| 21:02.07 | bz92 | oh |
| 21:02.21 | blast007 | so it would not show up in anyone's client unless they change their config file to that other list server |
| 21:02.28 | bz92 | What about this? "Listen On Interface" |
| 21:02.29 | bz92 | ok |
| 21:02.51 | blast007 | that's if you have multiple network adapters but only want it to bind to a single one |
| 21:03.08 | blast007 | by default, it listens on all network interfaces |
| 21:03.21 | bz92 | is it needed to be completed? |
| 21:03.28 | blast007 | no |
| 21:03.34 | bz92 | ok |
| 21:03.48 | bz92 | thanks alot I might ask some questions later |
| 21:03.51 | blast007 | k |
| 21:05.20 | bz92 | Oh another question.....I know that i need to create a file for the ban list...so do I just put in a blank text file? or does that ban list file need coding to? |
| 21:05.43 | blast007 | the server will create the file by itself |
| 21:05.59 | blast007 | so you could just calls it bans or bans.txt |
| 21:06.20 | bz92 | ok |
| 21:06.21 | blast007 | the server will create that file when it starts |
| 21:06.26 | bz92 | k |
| 21:07.43 | bz92 | what should the lag warning time be? |
| 21:08.20 | blast007 | 250 or 300ms is probably a good value |
| 21:08.26 | bz92 | ok |
| 21:08.32 | blast007 | with a drop count of maybe 3 to 5 |
| 21:08.38 | bz92 | JITTER? |
| 21:08.45 | bz92 | how much? |
| 21:08.57 | blast007 | I wouldn't enable the jitter kick |
| 21:09.02 | bz92 | ok |
| 21:09.05 | blast007 | nor packet loss |
| 21:09.10 | bz92 | so just leave blank |
| 21:09.14 | blast007 | yeah |
| 21:09.16 | blast007 | or at 0 |
| 21:09.23 | bz92 | ok |
| 21:09.49 | bz92 | ok it says that they require a selected file for the ban list |
| 21:09.52 | bz92 | so should I create |
| 21:09.57 | bz92 | bans.txt |
| 21:10.02 | blast007 | hmm, nope, you're probably right.. clear away those values |
| 21:10.10 | blast007 | you can just type "bans.txt" there |
| 21:10.14 | blast007 | you don't have to browse |
| 21:10.17 | bz92 | ok |
| 21:10.34 | bz92 | and leave the txt file blank...so nothing is typed inside |
| 21:10.36 | bz92 | right? |
| 21:10.54 | Joss | yes |
| 21:11.02 | bz92 | ok |
| 21:11.06 | blast007 | again, the file doesn't even need to exist |
| 21:11.09 | blast007 | bzfs will create it |
| 21:11.57 | bz92 | oh ok perfect |
| 21:12.01 | bz92 | but for reference |
| 21:12.09 | bz92 | wat should the file format be? |
| 21:12.13 | bz92 | RTF? |
| 21:12.27 | spldart | What OS? |
| 21:12.33 | bz92 | Mac OS |
| 21:12.34 | bz92 | Tiger |
| 21:12.39 | spldart | Oh |
| 21:12.41 | blast007 | plain text |
| 21:12.44 | Joss | no, .conf or .txt is what you usally use |
| 21:12.45 | spldart | I was gonna say plain jane |
| 21:13.03 | Joss | it doesnt matter which |
| 21:13.07 | bz92 | ok |
| 21:13.14 | bz92 | thanks guys really ;) |
| 21:13.29 | Joss | Welcome :) |
| 21:16.16 | bz92 | Whats Pipe? |
| 21:16.57 | blast007 | "report pipe" would sent reports to another application via a pipe (sending stdout to that application) |
| 21:16.57 | Joss | Pipe? where? |
| 21:17.14 | blast007 | that's an advanced option |
| 21:17.17 | Joss | ahh, in your conf, yeah |
| 21:17.18 | blast007 | skip it |
| 21:17.18 | bz92 | oh |
| 21:17.22 | bz92 | ok |
| 21:17.35 | bz92 | debug level? wat should it be set at? |
| 21:17.39 | blast007 | 1 or 2 |
| 21:18.14 | bz92 | which one you recommend? |
| 21:18.20 | blast007 | 2 |
| 21:18.24 | bz92 | ok |
| 21:20.04 | bz92 | I have a problem.....i can't create a .txt format file on my mac |
| 21:20.15 | blast007 | sure you can |
| 21:20.25 | bz92 | i typed in |
| 21:20.28 | bz92 | bans.txt |
| 21:20.32 | blast007 | open a terminal, cd to the right directory, and type: touch bans.txt |
| 21:20.47 | blast007 | that'll create a blank file named "bans.txt" |
| 21:20.54 | bz92 | ok thanks |
| 21:20.59 | bz92 | where will it save? |
| 21:21.08 | bz92 | oh |
| 21:21.09 | blast007 | "cd to the right directory" |
| 21:21.09 | bz92 | nvm |
| 21:21.15 | bz92 | yeah forgot ;) |
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| 21:24.31 | bz92 | Blast remember that you said that if i don't select a file for the bans list it will automatically create one itself? well if I took that option, where will the file be saved? |
| 21:24.57 | blast007 | from where you run bzfs from |
| 21:25.07 | bz92 | oh another problem |
| 21:25.11 | bz92 | bzfs didnt come with |
| 21:25.14 | bz92 | bzflag |
| 21:25.19 | blast007 | which might be in the .app ... hmm, so if you want to give a full path, do it |
| 21:25.19 | bz92 | I looked in the directory |
| 21:25.23 | blast007 | and yes it does |
| 21:25.28 | blast007 | it's inside the .app |
| 21:25.35 | bz92 | i even searched it |
| 21:25.39 | bz92 | couldnt get anything |
| 21:25.44 | bz92 | do i need to install it again? |
| 21:25.48 | blast007 | no |
| 21:25.55 | blast007 | what version do you have? 2.0.10? |
| 21:26.05 | bz92 | yeah |
| 21:26.07 | bz92 | the newest |
| 21:28.45 | blast007 | fires up his mac |
| 21:28.53 | bz92 | cool |
| 21:28.55 | bz92 | ha |
| 21:29.01 | bz92 | which mac do you have? |
| 21:29.28 | blast007 | and older mini |
| 21:29.32 | blast007 | 1.25GHz G4 |
| 21:29.33 | bz92 | oh |
| 21:29.37 | bz92 | thats cool |
| 21:29.44 | bz92 | i have a g4 ibook |
| 21:29.47 | bz92 | im using it now |
| 21:29.51 | bz92 | might run server on here |
| 21:29.54 | bz92 | temporary |
| 21:30.38 | bz92 | oh for the world section. |
| 21:30.43 | bz92 | I already built a map |
| 21:30.49 | bz92 | using iBZedit |
| 21:31.11 | bz92 | do i just chose that file and don't touch anything on the other options? |
| 21:31.49 | blast007 | right click on the BZFlag 2.0.10 application, and choose "Show Package Contents", then open up Contents, then MacOS |
| 21:31.56 | blast007 | that's where bzfs (and bzadmin) are at |
| 21:32.12 | bz92 | oh ok |
| 21:32.15 | bz92 | thanks |
| 21:32.27 | AHA | ~Winny++ |
| 21:32.45 | bz92 | Blast read my question about the world section |
| 21:32.53 | blast007 | you can drab bzfs over a terminal window, and it will spit out the full path to run it |
| 21:33.07 | bz92 | oh ok |
| 21:33.28 | blast007 | you can adjust the stuff on the World tab |
| 21:33.34 | blast007 | some of them don't affect anything |
| 21:33.42 | bz92 | oh ok |
| 21:33.52 | bz92 | so i dont need to say the world size |
| 21:33.57 | blast007 | like the building density, and the Randomly Orient Buildings, and Randomly Building Heights |
| 21:34.01 | blast007 | right |
| 21:34.04 | bz92 | oh ok |
| 21:34.09 | blast007 | that is normally just the default anyway |
| 21:34.22 | bz92 | so just put the world file and then do the needed settings |
| 21:34.25 | bz92 | got it |
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| 21:38.35 | Ebert | hm, someone know where ducatiwannabe is from? |
| 21:38.44 | Winny | Texas |
| 21:38.55 | Winny | Ebert ^ |
| 21:39.11 | Ebert | thx winny ^^ |
| 21:39.15 | Winny | sure |
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| 21:41.57 | tommygun2 | list |
| 21:42.27 | Winny | tommygun2: can we help you? |
| 21:43.59 | tommygun2 | Trying to see if I can get an admin taken off. |
| 21:44.10 | tommygun2 | Dunno if that's server-specific, though. |
| 21:46.38 | spldart | Tx. ftw |
| 21:47.30 | tommygun2 | What should I do? |
| 21:48.25 | catay | tommygun2: if it's about a server related issue contact the owner |
| 21:48.28 | donny_baker | tommygun2: sorry, your baqn stands... bye |
| 21:48.34 | donny_baker | ban* |
| 21:49.40 | tommygun2 | OK, I've found the channel for that group. Thanks! |
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| 21:53.45 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v L4m3r] by ChanServ |
| 21:54.57 | bz92 | whats the command to add a person to be a cop on a map? |
| 21:55.17 | Winny | use groups to do that |
| 21:55.20 | Winny | there is no "command" |
| 21:55.48 | bz92 | how do I do that? |
| 21:55.59 | bz92 | My friend know but hes on vacation |
| 21:56.07 | bz92 | i dont own the group |
| 21:56.14 | Winny | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Setting_up_a_group_file |
| 21:56.16 | Winny | oh |
| 21:56.23 | Winny | then you can't, if you don't own the group |
| 21:56.35 | bz92 | oh ok |
| 21:56.38 | bz92 | thanks |
| 21:56.38 | donny_baker | only the owner can add people to a group |
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| 22:17.43 | bz92 | hey guys' |
| 22:17.49 | bz92 | another problem |
| 22:18.01 | bz92 | Im almost done with the map and i click on test map |
| 22:18.10 | bz92 | and it automaticaly runs BZ |
| 22:18.23 | bz92 | and it successfully loads to local host |
| 22:18.28 | bz92 | but it isnt my map |
| 22:18.33 | bz92 | what should I do? |
| 22:20.54 | bz92 | anyone there to help? |
| 22:24.45 | Winny | run the server via the terminal |
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| 22:27.54 | spldart | #/dir/dir/bzfs -conf /dir/dir/my.conf |
| 22:28.13 | spldart | mac is sim to linux right/ |
| 22:31.17 | bugQ | similar, yeah, but not identical |
| 22:31.47 | Winny | /Applications/BZFlag2.0.<x>.app/MacOS/reosources/bzfs IIRC |
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| 22:33.21 | bugQ | close, it's BZFlag2.0.x.app/Contents/MacOS/bzfs |
| 22:33.50 | Winny | bah |
| 22:34.13 | Winny | hmm, I took off my sunglasses but they feel like they're still there |
| 22:34.41 | bugQ | that happens with my glasses, too, but more often since they're a daily thing |
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