| 00:04.36 | *** join/#bzflag mib_66nwf2 (i=7deefeba@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-01bab84d176d05f4) |
| 00:04.55 | mib_66nwf2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.16 | bz26 | compiling bzflag 2.0.x on windows: which libcURL? |
| 00:07.24 | pacman87 | bz26: just use the dll included with the binary installer |
| 00:07.44 | bz26 | which libcURL do i need to compile bzflag 2.0 on windows? generic, MSCV, mingw or cyg? |
| 00:08.09 | pacman87 | well, what are you using on windows? |
| 00:08.21 | bz26 | ? |
| 00:08.32 | pacman87 | using to compile |
| 00:08.54 | bz26 | bzwiki suggests MSVC |
| 00:09.09 | bz26 | Once you have downloaded your source code, you will also need libcURL, the Windows Server 2003 Platform SDK and DirectX April 2007 SDK. (Note that the November 2007 SDK is incompatible.) Install these libs. |
| 00:09.12 | bz26 | is what it says |
| 00:09.19 | bz26 | not sure which libcURL to download |
| 00:09.30 | pacman87 | do you have MSVC EE? |
| 00:09.55 | bz26 | yes |
| 00:09.56 | bz26 | 2005 |
| 00:10.19 | pacman87 | ok, then use the MSVC version of libcURL |
| 00:10.28 | bz26 | ok |
| 00:11.33 | pacman87 | and if that gives you problems when you try to run, use the .dll from the installer |
| 00:11.36 | bz26 | SSL enabled or SSL disabled? |
| 00:11.49 | pacman87 | disabled, i believe |
| 00:17.55 | Wyk3d | hmm .. can't seem to get global auth working on a local server :-/ .. if I use a proper dns bound to my IP, ListServerLink::finalization keeps getting NULL data so my userDatabase stays empty .. if I use localhost I get data but it contains an error message: "Error requesting address is ... while at 127.0.0.1" :( .. I did set the server as "-public .." in the config and -advertise NONE too |
| 00:20.17 | *** join/#bzflag Wyk3d (i=c1e206e2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-59f33e9df5f3e144) |
| 00:22.51 | bz26 | .. |
| 00:25.05 | Wyk3d | hmm .. does the listserver try to connect back after a request or does curl keep the connection alive ? |
| 00:26.08 | *** join/#bzflag AHA (n=aha@unaffiliated/aha) |
| 00:26.42 | Wyk3d | "Operation too slow. Less than 1023 bytes/sec transferred the last 10 seconds" |
| 00:31.09 | Lukstr | Epyon: Huh? |
| 00:41.57 | bz26 | pacman87: which windows server 2003 platform sdk do i dowload |
| 00:42.12 | bz26 | PSDK-amd64.exe |
| 00:42.21 | bz26 | PSDK-ia64.exe |
| 00:42.28 | bz26 | or PSDK-x86.exe |
| 00:42.47 | pacman87 | what processor do you have? |
| 00:42.56 | bz26 | ? |
| 00:43.06 | pacman87 | AMD, intel, or intel-64bit |
| 00:43.14 | bz26 | ? |
| 00:43.22 | pacman87 | do you have a pentium? |
| 00:43.48 | Lukstr | bz26: are you running windows? |
| 00:43.56 | bz26 | yes |
| 00:43.57 | pacman87 | Lukstr: yes |
| 00:44.03 | Lukstr | do you have directX installed? |
| 00:44.15 | bz26 | dunno |
| 00:44.33 | Lukstr | go to start->run->dxdiag |
| 00:44.35 | pacman87 | bz26: does your computer have the 'intel inside' sticker on the front? |
| 00:44.36 | Lukstr | i.e. type "dxdiag" |
| 00:44.38 | Lukstr | and hit enter |
| 00:44.42 | bz26 | my computer info says: intel(R), pentium(R) |
| 00:44.48 | Lukstr | cool |
| 00:44.59 | pacman87 | winkey+break? |
| 00:45.31 | Erroneous | bz26: x86 |
| 00:45.47 | bz26 | what do i do after i run dxdiag |
| 00:45.53 | bz26 | it has a msgbox saying: |
| 00:45.59 | pacman87 | you don't need it anymore |
| 00:46.09 | pacman87 | just get the x86 one |
| 00:46.10 | bz26 | do you want to allow it to check stuff |
| 00:46.18 | bz26 | ok |
| 00:46.19 | Lukstr | bz26: you can just hit no or close it |
| 00:46.20 | Lukstr | yeah |
| 00:46.43 | pacman87 | bz26: why do you want to complie? |
| 00:47.08 | bz26 | i'm traitor: that's why |
| 00:47.36 | pacman87 | ah, hello |
| 00:47.45 | bz26 | hi :) |
| 00:47.59 | Lukstr | traitor? |
| 00:48.01 | bz26 | one more dl to go |
| 00:48.07 | Lukstr | Who do you betray? O.o |
| 00:48.14 | pacman87 | Lukstr: "The Traitor" is his callsign |
| 00:48.26 | Lukstr | oookay |
| 00:49.03 | pacman87 | Lukstr: you need to get in some practice before the mentor shoot |
| 00:49.12 | Lukstr | hehe |
| 00:49.19 | Lukstr | I was gonna ask if anyone wanted to play tonight |
| 00:49.25 | Lukstr | is there someway to see my stats online? |
| 00:49.32 | pacman87 | 128.116.45.192:5150 |
| 00:49.44 | pacman87 | what stats do you want? |
| 00:49.56 | pacman87 | there some basic ones at my.bzflag.org |
| 00:51.08 | Lukstr | haha |
| 00:51.11 | Lukstr | http://my.bzflag.org/playerinfo.php?callsign=Lukstr |
| 00:51.14 | Lukstr | am the huge suck. |
| 00:51.58 | bz26 | =( MS SDK platform is big |
| 00:52.03 | pacman87 | you want some training? |
| 00:52.05 | Lukstr | bz26: heh, yeah |
| 00:52.06 | Lukstr | sure |
| 00:52.29 | pacman87 | i've got a 2.0 server up |
| 00:52.43 | pacman87 | i could toss up a 3.0 in 10 sec if you'd rather do that |
| 00:52.47 | bz26 | pacman, you got your own ip wrong |
| 00:52.52 | pacman87 | i did? |
| 00:52.54 | bz26 | 129, not 128* |
| 00:53.00 | Lukstr | pacman87: this box has 2.0 on it/not trunk |
| 00:53.05 | pacman87 | ok |
| 00:53.29 | Epyon | Lukstr, not much better : http://my.bzflag.org/playerinfo.php?callsign=Epyon :P |
| 00:53.34 | pacman87 | 129.116.45.192:\5150 |
| 00:53.44 | pacman87 | all welcome ;) |
| 00:54.10 | AAA_awright | blast007: Of course (How did I miss that?) |
| 00:59.09 | Lukstr | crap, I asked a few days ago, but how do you change window position in windowed mode? |
| 01:03.12 | pacman87 | Lukstr: unbind the mouse and drag it? |
| 01:03.21 | Lukstr | window minimizes :P |
| 01:03.32 | pacman87 | what os? |
| 01:03.53 | AAA_awright | I'm starting to program a prototype list server, through HTTP |
| 01:04.03 | Lukstr | wind0ze currently |
| 01:04.42 | pacman87 | if you're in window mode, and turn off 'confine mouse' under input settings |
| 01:04.53 | pacman87 | you should be able to drag the window title |
| 01:05.31 | Lukstr | hm |
| 01:06.10 | *** join/#bzflag think_tank (n=think_ta@c-71-194-147-60.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 01:06.10 | Epyon | -34 in 10 minutes... fuuun :P |
| 01:06.26 | Lukstr | pacman87: every time I restart however it goes to the same location (beneath my toolbar :( |
| 01:09.56 | *** join/#bzflag Think_Differentl (n=shedelj@unaffiliated/thinkdifferentl/x-838543) |
| 01:11.25 | Lukstr | I'm such a noob |
| 01:13.57 | short_circuit | = |
| 01:14.24 | short_circuit | ooops dropped keyboard again... I'm so ashamed |
| 01:15.05 | *** join/#bzflag spldart (n=vircuser@c-98-197-19-35.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) |
| 01:28.01 | AAA_awright | Is GNU not an important requirement for BZFlag on Linux? |
| 01:28.44 | AAA_awright | http://store.bzflag.bz/images/CD_label_shadow.png Forgot to mention GNU on the CD... |
| 01:36.12 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM (n=Jeff@pool-71-109-218-124.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 01:42.01 | *** join/#bzflag BenUrban (n=benurban@unaffiliated/benurban) |
| 01:47.52 | AAA_awright | Winny: I need a template for the most gorgeous login screen anyone has ever seen |
| 01:48.04 | AAA_awright | Up to it? |
| 01:48.41 | JeffM | yay, good thing I did buy a memory card at CC :) |
| 01:48.43 | AHA | i wanna see it! |
| 01:48.54 | AHA | oh |
| 01:49.05 | JeffM | means didn't |
| 01:49.10 | AHA | AAA_awright, i thought you said i _had_ a template for the most georgeous login screen |
| 01:49.18 | AHA | not i _need_ :p |
| 01:49.25 | *** join/#bzflag lockON (n=3a60484b@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 01:49.33 | AAA_awright | I wish |
| 01:50.05 | AHA | i would give it a shot if my photoshop skills werent so horible |
| 01:50.39 | lockON | hello new here :) ibet u havent read that before |
| 01:50.45 | AAA_awright | It is a prototype that would function to replace this thing: http://my.bzflag.org/weblogin.php?action=weblogin&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcan.bzfx.net%2Faccount%2Fprocess%3Fcallsign%3D%25USERNAME%25%26token%3D%25TOKEN%25 |
| 01:51.04 | JeffM | hello lockON |
| 01:51.13 | lockON | hi |
| 01:51.14 | AHA | something you need help with, lockON? |
| 01:51.21 | Lukstr | http://my.bzflag.org/playerinfo.php?callsign=Lukstr so much better now |
| 01:51.45 | AHA | High Score-3 :p |
| 01:51.50 | Lukstr | :( |
| 01:52.00 | Lukstr | that was the first time I played too |
| 01:52.27 | AAA_awright | Wasn't Winny designing a Drupal theme? I need to copy the next-generation website theme |
| 01:52.27 | AHA | not bad for a first timer |
| 01:52.28 | lockON | err VOTE HOW 2 ? "/VOTE YES" is that it |
| 01:52.36 | AHA | AAA_awright, busyflag.org |
| 01:52.49 | AHA | lockON, yes |
| 01:52.50 | AAA_awright | Great |
| 01:53.27 | lockON | well not working?.......is is a server config thing |
| 01:54.08 | AAA_awright | Brilliant, Winny |
| 01:54.38 | AAA_awright | I have seen it before, have not scrutinized the tag structure before |
| 01:55.30 | AAA_awright | Thanks for the link AHA |
| 01:55.38 | AHA | np |
| 01:55.40 | lockON | i mean i tryed 2 vote but says no priv... |
| 01:57.02 | BulletCatcher | Most servers only let registered call signs vote. |
| 01:57.46 | lockON | when usay reg is that here or game server |
| 01:57.58 | BulletCatcher | on the game server |
| 01:58.16 | AAA_awright | You have to be authenticated to the game server to vote usually |
| 01:59.47 | *** join/#bzflag lockON (n=3a60484b@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 02:00.32 | lockON | ok thax there was this guy team killing but i could not vote |
| 02:00.49 | BulletCatcher | It looks like you are registered now. |
| 02:01.07 | Alesis-Novik | good night to you all |
| 02:01.21 | lockON | yes here but not no game server |
| 02:02.05 | lockON | anyway will look into it |
| 02:02.18 | BulletCatcher | Use the same password in the game that you use at http://my.bzflag.org/bb/. |
| 02:03.08 | *** join/#bzflag Think_Differentl (n=shedelj@unaffiliated/thinkdifferentl/x-838543) |
| 02:03.20 | lockON | well i though i did? not authenticated |
| 02:03.47 | lockON | or sum such |
| 02:04.11 | BulletCatcher | In the game, is there a - or a + in front of lockON on the scoreboard? |
| 02:04.56 | lockON | hmmm sorry not sure will look right now |
| 02:06.29 | Constitution | AAA_awright: pong |
| 02:06.37 | AAA_awright | Hey, problem solved |
| 02:06.54 | Constitution | cool |
| 02:10.49 | lockON | hi back again :) looks like a "-" |
| 02:11.10 | BulletCatcher | that means you have not entered the correct password into the game |
| 02:12.34 | lockON | uh sumthing wrong here it says this pass word is reg |
| 02:13.34 | BulletCatcher | *Someone* registered the call sign "lockON" at the web site within the last few days. Was it you? |
| 02:15.07 | lockON | what web site this 1 or the game server |
| 02:15.28 | BulletCatcher | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/ |
| 02:16.05 | spldart | If you can login there you can + on client with same username password |
| 02:16.40 | lockON | it looks like there are two :( " LockON " and " lockON" |
| 02:17.49 | BulletCatcher | I think that spaces on the outside of call signs are not allowed. Also the registration system is case-insensitive. |
| 02:18.27 | lockON | 27 feb 08 was me got email with "lockON " |
| 02:19.03 | lockON | O sorry on spaces |
| 02:19.46 | lockON | no spaces |
| 02:20.04 | BulletCatcher | Go to http://my.bzflag.org/bb/ now, and see if it knows who you are. It will show you as a current user at the bottom of the page if it does. |
| 02:21.10 | spldart | goes to play somemore |
| 02:23.05 | lockON | well clicked on link i was already loged in i think |
| 02:23.49 | BulletCatcher | Yes, it shows you as a registered user at the bottom of the page. |
| 02:24.22 | BulletCatcher | Do you still know the password you used to register there? |
| 02:26.11 | BulletCatcher | The password should be in the e-mail you received after registering. |
| 02:27.42 | lockON | yes have logged in at link with name and password but no info on bottom of page |
| 02:28.17 | lockON | tpo of page says no new messages so i am loged in |
| 02:28.39 | AAA_awright | Next version of the client, I recommend we warn the user before connecting to a server that their login failed |
| 02:28.50 | AAA_awright | If and only if they entered a password |
| 02:29.59 | spldart | So a handshake with the list server and token back before the server is joined? |
| 02:30.21 | spldart | Doesn't bzfs do the token grabbing? |
| 02:30.37 | BulletCatcher | lockON: To be registered in the game, you need to use lockON as your callsign and the same password when you join a game. |
| 02:31.10 | BulletCatcher | If you are properly registered there will be a + to the left of your callsign on the score list. |
| 02:32.01 | lockON | uugggggggg i'm stupid missed 1 thing |
| 02:32.04 | spldart | And if we trust client to get a token that will mean both client and server will have to both confirm token's so that a hacked client doesn't represent a risk of hack and stuff |
| 02:32.18 | BulletCatcher | that'll do it :-) |
| 02:33.25 | lockON | sorry my bad it works now :) cool game bye the way |
| 02:33.54 | BulletCatcher | Glad you got it working. Hope you enjoy playing. I do. |
| 02:33.55 | spldart | It is isn't it? quick and easy to play yet addicting.. :-D |
| 02:34.32 | lockON | very addictive |
| 02:34.54 | lockON | thanx and bye 4 now :) |
| 02:34.59 | BulletCatcher | Bye. |
| 02:35.25 | spldart | bye |
| 02:35.42 | BulletCatcher | does *not* enjoy tech support! |
| 02:35.53 | spldart | heh |
| 02:36.11 | spldart | Let the torch pass around and it's not so bd. |
| 02:36.14 | spldart | bad. |
| 02:36.25 | BulletCatcher | At least we had a happy conclusion. |
| 02:36.32 | spldart | Yes... |
| 02:37.00 | spldart | ~BulletCatcher++ |
| 02:37.06 | spldart | Hope I got that right |
| 02:37.15 | BulletCatcher | ~karma |
| 02:37.15 | ibot | bulletcatcher has karma of 1 |
| 02:37.20 | BulletCatcher | woot! |
| 02:37.59 | spldart | :-) |
| 02:38.48 | Lukstr | hehe |
| 02:39.09 | BulletCatcher | AAA_awright: I think authentication occurs after connecting to the server, so there would be no way to warn in advance. |
| 02:39.35 | AAA_awright | No, if the client authenticated, it will get a token back, which the client gives to the server. |
| 02:39.45 | AAA_awright | Otherwise, the client hands the server a null token |
| 02:40.34 | BulletCatcher | So that's where registered users' token numbers come from! |
| 02:41.07 | BulletCatcher | Then yes, the client could inform the user that their password is wrong. |
| 02:41.40 | BulletCatcher | That shouldn't be too hard a change to make.... |
| 02:41.58 | AAA_awright | It would be a new menu, maybe a new file |
| 02:43.02 | BulletCatcher | I was thinking it could be as simple as annotating the password line on the Join Game menu. |
| 02:46.47 | Winny | AAA_awright, eh? |
| 02:46.51 | Winny | You pinged? :P |
| 02:47.33 | AAA_awright | The Busyflag (that what it is called?) looks good, I took it and make it look a bit less "busy" |
| 02:47.56 | AAA_awright | Do we want the same template for the forums and website? |
| 02:48.13 | Winny | looks at JeffM |
| 02:49.16 | AAA_awright | Well, is that a good idea? |
| 02:49.31 | AAA_awright | Yes? Good. I am converting it to a MediaWiki template right now. |
| 02:49.39 | Winny | Hey |
| 02:49.41 | Winny | I was doing that |
| 02:49.42 | Winny | :E |
| 02:49.43 | spldart | I guess your right.. Wouldn't be that much an issue |
| 02:50.16 | Winny | AAA_awright, I havent done IE 6 fixes yet |
| 02:50.21 | Winny | probably best to wait for a bit |
| 02:50.26 | AAA_awright | Aye |
| 02:50.52 | spldart | Is that bzfs_conf.html I edited all html? |
| 02:50.55 | *** join/#bzflag L4m3r (n=l4m3r@about/essy/warning/L4m3r) |
| 02:50.55 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v L4m3r] by ChanServ |
| 02:51.32 | spldart | waits to see if his patch is excepted |
| 02:51.48 | spldart | I'll make it better if I have too :) |
| 02:51.53 | Winny | hmm |
| 02:51.54 | brlcad | accepted would be better ;) |
| 02:52.07 | spldart | yes it would |
| 02:52.07 | spldart | O |
| 02:52.12 | spldart | I'm drunk |
| 02:52.13 | L4m3r | rejects it because of bad grammar |
| 02:52.15 | Winny | works on a phpbb3 version |
| 02:52.22 | spldart | to the wife out and had nice dinner and lotsa alcohol |
| 02:52.32 | spldart | She passed out now |
| 02:52.48 | spldart | s/took/to |
| 02:54.54 | spldart | If it is accepted like it is I look forward to doin something else... Oh yeah.. was goin to test erroneous commit for server comm error.. unless someone else already has |
| 02:57.22 | Winny | brlcad: time for another friendly reminder? |
| 02:57.58 | brlcad | yup |
| 02:58.11 | brlcad | it's rising in the queue |
| 02:58.15 | Winny | :) |
| 02:58.16 | brlcad | hopefully tonight or tomorrow |
| 02:58.22 | Winny | goodie |
| 02:58.31 | spldart | Packet time delta's are still maxing out at about + or - .042xxx |
| 02:58.42 | spldart | transporters don't work properly |
| 02:58.57 | spldart | along with the other stuff I already knew were bugs on trunk |
| 02:59.09 | spldart | .. BTW... no server comm error after a bit of play |
| 03:00.29 | brlcad | picky picky |
| 03:00.36 | spldart | We might be ready for shoot @ mentor on trunk as long as map is pre 2.0 and perhaps pre 1.7 |
| 03:00.53 | spldart | ie boxes and pyramids but no transporters :) |
| 03:01.23 | spldart | Me no picky! Me just hideous monster with big head. |
| 03:01.32 | spldart | :-D |
| 03:02.13 | spldart | Oh!.. I think I found a new bug... brb |
| 03:02.20 | brlcad | better than having a hideous head with a big monster |
| 03:03.38 | spldart | -set -wingsjumpcount on trunk isn't working... |
| 03:03.47 | spldart | same map works fine on branch :) |
| 03:03.49 | AHA | -wingsJumpCount |
| 03:03.53 | spldart | right |
| 03:03.59 | L4m3r | _wingsJumpCount |
| 03:04.07 | L4m3r | :P |
| 03:04.11 | AHA | heh |
| 03:04.18 | AHA | ~L4m3r++ |
| 03:04.19 | AHA | :p |
| 03:04.33 | L4m3r | how weird |
| 03:04.36 | L4m3r | my room is clean |
| 03:04.45 | L4m3r | I had forgotten that I cleaned it before I left... |
| 03:05.28 | pacman87 | L4m3r: wait half an hour, and it'll be back to normal |
| 03:05.43 | L4m3r | yeah... my poor roommate |
| 03:05.50 | AHA | heh |
| 03:06.13 | L4m3r | goes to grab some dinner |
| 03:08.13 | spldart | I got -set _wingsJumpCount 5 just like branch but it's not working in trunk.. it's in my world file.. not the conf |
| 03:08.13 | spldart | Just FYI |
| 03:10.33 | spldart | goes to pick on something else |
| 03:12.40 | spldart | I am SO goin to have to sleep in tomorrow.. Must more and the room is goin to start spinning :-/ |
| 03:13.02 | spldart | Otherwise classic South Park puking for me :) |
| 03:13.14 | BulletCatcher | too much information ... |
| 03:13.19 | spldart | :) |
| 03:13.30 | spldart | Your right.. I'll :-x now |
| 03:13.35 | spldart | more rabbit chase... |
| 03:16.09 | Constitution | spldart: the name on your SourceForge account is your real name? |
| 03:36.21 | spldart | bzspldart.. name on the account is real |
| 03:36.58 | *** join/#bzflag bier (n=bier@p54A57A60.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 03:37.57 | spldart | Whatsup? |
| 03:38.11 | *** join/#bzflag zee424 (n=4aad8290@gateway/web/cgi-irc/zeebrothers.net/x-2a54b033fd2dc7f0) |
| 03:42.05 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r16821 10/trunk/bzflag/ (man/bzflag.6.in misc/bzfs.conf misc/bzfs_conf.html): Accept SF patch #1927625 from James Lawrence: miscellaneous updates to man pages, sample conf, and conf builder. |
| 03:43.03 | spldart | Oh! Thankies :) |
| 03:43.17 | Constitution | thank *you* :) |
| 03:43.44 | spldart | I'm so happy now... That's a level of contribution above and beyond any I've done so far :) |
| 03:47.49 | spldart | As I'm getting more tired.. I just had an idea for an item for bzflag store... I know... it's not practical... And I wish JeffM was here... BZFlag printed pillow covers ;-) |
| 03:48.21 | spldart | Perhaps I can buy and extra shirt and do some sewing :) |
| 03:49.44 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16822 10/trunk/bzflag/AUTHORS: three woots for spldart making patches! |
| 03:52.37 | spldart | oooOOOooo.. :) |
| 03:52.56 | spldart | must checkout and check AUTHORS |
| 03:52.56 | brlcad | woot woot woot! |
| 03:56.21 | spldart | Just looked at authors... I'm so happy... I hope I can help more soon. Beyond what I'm currently doin with testing and assisting with gsoc in a minor way :) |
| 03:57.02 | brlcad | hopes he hops up to the next rung |
| 03:57.57 | spldart | ~Constitution++ |
| 03:58.01 | spldart | ~brlcad++ |
| 03:58.11 | brlcad | erhm, I did nothing :P |
| 03:58.21 | spldart | whateva |
| 03:58.27 | brlcad | :) |
| 03:59.25 | AAA_awright | Oh, Winny, I remember |
| 04:00.25 | AAA_awright | I wanted coded up the most gorgeous login screen anyone has ever seen. Remembering that UI comes first. |
| 04:01.03 | AAA_awright | brlcad: I played around with LDAP on various platforms, did you read up? |
| 04:05.56 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16823 10/trunk/bzflag/AUTHORS: mention google and the 2007 gsoc participants who committed to the tree |
| 04:07.10 | spldart | props |
| 04:18.23 | Constitution | ~spldart++ |
| 04:28.54 | *** join/#bzflag TimRiker (n=timr@rikers.org) |
| 04:28.55 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 04:31.36 | AAA_awright | brlcad: Ping |
| 04:31.46 | AAA_awright | Busy? |
| 04:32.50 | spldart | Was doin a build in linux.. http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d43aefb52 .. debian ./configure was with --enable-debug and --enable-plugins |
| 04:33.10 | spldart | BTW.. windows built succesful in vc8 |
| 04:34.08 | spldart | Oh.. both @ r16822 |
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| 04:45.37 | spldart | same result with ./configure --enable-debug but no switch for plugins.. I'm trying one more thing |
| 04:47.36 | Constitution | server plugins would not affect client rendering |
| 04:47.55 | spldart | didn't think so.. just eliminating stuff.. I'm trying without debug now |
| 04:48.31 | Constitution | debug wouldn't either... that just affects whether symbols are left in or stripped out |
| 04:48.53 | spldart | And whether warning are treated as errors |
| 04:48.59 | spldart | in this case |
| 04:49.49 | spldart | If your saying I shouldn't go any farther then I'll stop :) |
| 04:50.19 | spldart | just wanted to make sure I didn't contaminate code with some of my code tinkering |
| 04:50.30 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r16824 10/trunk/bzflag/include/BoltSceneNode.h: Reordering of members to quell warning. |
| 04:50.40 | Constitution | try that |
| 04:50.48 | spldart | okie dokie |
| 04:50.55 | spldart | Should I try windoze too? |
| 04:51.55 | Constitution | did windows throw the warning too? if not, it could be just a gcc thing |
| 04:52.28 | spldart | No |
| 04:52.30 | spldart | Okies |
| 04:54.24 | spldart | Might be a few minutes... My linux rig is an old xp2500+... My windows build machine is currently my main windows build tester with dual mp3100+ |
| 04:54.36 | spldart | oop |
| 04:54.44 | Constitution | no hurry |
| 04:54.54 | spldart | sry.. that was the redundant sentence of redundancy |
| 04:55.11 | Constitution | ;) |
| 04:55.36 | pacman87 | spldart: i must be getting tired, cause that statement didnt' seem unusual to me |
| 04:55.37 | spldart | beer is slowly working its way outta my system.. I was so excited about the earlier patch and all :) |
| 04:55.45 | spldart | LOL |
| 05:18.39 | spldart | ~Constitution++ |
| 05:19.01 | spldart | fixed with ./config straight up |
| 05:21.19 | spldart | Trying again with --enable-debug just in case but YaY! |
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| 05:21.58 | Mets | quick question - if I just have a .cpp file for a plugin, how do I get it to compile? |
| 05:24.23 | pacman87 | Mets: you're linux, right? |
| 05:24.31 | Mets | debian yes |
| 05:25.02 | Mets | I ran newplugin.sh and copied the .cpp file in, but it didn't seem to work (yes i added the right lines to Makefile.am and configure.ac) |
| 05:25.13 | Mets | I just guessed though, not sure if that's what I'm supposed to do |
| 05:25.44 | pacman87 | did you rerun autogen.sh? |
| 05:26.25 | Mets | yup |
| 05:26.36 | pacman87 | did that work? |
| 05:26.40 | Mets | nope |
| 05:26.53 | pacman87 | did you set the right file perms on the new plugin? |
| 05:27.08 | Mets | it didn't compile anything |
| 05:27.12 | spldart | I assume the other plugins did build |
| 05:27.19 | Mets | yup |
| 05:27.26 | Mets | default plugins build and work fine |
| 05:27.39 | Mets | in .libs for the plugins I added, there's just sample_plugin.so |
| 05:28.34 | pacman87 | Mets: so it didn't give any errors, it just skipped the new plugins? |
| 05:28.50 | Mets | yeah, gave me an error on make install, when it said they weren't there |
| 05:30.30 | pacman87 | does ./configure --enable-shared create the makefiles for the new plugins? |
| 05:30.59 | spldart | --enabled-shared? I thought that was branch.. or do I have it backwards :( |
| 05:31.17 | pacman87 | Mets is building branch, afaik |
| 05:31.25 | spldart | Oh yeah! |
| 05:31.25 | Mets | yup building branch |
| 05:31.27 | spldart | my bad |
| 05:31.28 | spldart | sry |
| 05:31.41 | Mets | and --enable-shared is on as the other plugins build fine |
| 05:31.42 | spldart | continue ignoring my nonsense |
| 05:31.50 | Mets | :p |
| 05:31.58 | pacman87 | Mets: do the new plugin folders have "Makefile" in them? |
| 05:32.12 | spldart | I've been tinkering with trunk for the evening so I have a bit of a one track mind |
| 05:32.25 | Mets | pacman87: yes |
| 05:33.04 | pacman87 | and when you added the lines newplugin.sh told you to, you added them with the rest of the plugins? |
| 05:33.17 | spldart | Constitution: And it builds fine in debug in debian etch too... Thanks much |
| 05:33.33 | Mets | yup added them in |
| 05:33.39 | spldart | shutds down his linux boxen |
| 05:33.45 | Mets | I noticed that the makefiles generated with newplug.sh are different though |
| 05:34.07 | pacman87 | it does the .am and .in? |
| 05:34.13 | Mets | .am is different |
| 05:34.36 | Mets | can try manually changing that |
| 05:36.02 | Mets | shouldn't make any difference though |
| 05:37.45 | Mets | only drawback to linux is that it can be a pain to get things right; good thing it keeps them that way when it's done |
| 05:38.45 | pacman87 | yeah, i ran into that yesterday switching from winXP to slackware |
| 05:38.51 | spldart | hehe |
| 05:38.54 | Mets | oh gosh pac |
| 05:39.03 | Mets | slackware is hard to use lol, why torture yourself |
| 05:39.11 | Mets | that's puritan linux |
| 05:39.12 | pacman87 | i already had the slackware installed (dual boot) |
| 05:39.19 | spldart | hehehe |
| 05:39.20 | Mets | shutters |
| 05:39.27 | spldart | dual boot deb's and xp pro;s here |
| 05:39.31 | spldart | Lots of 'em |
| 05:39.32 | Mets | can't be bothered to work that hard |
| 05:39.34 | pacman87 | i wanted to learn vanilla linux |
| 05:39.39 | Mets | hehe |
| 05:39.48 | Mets | debian based things are friendly, they actually like you |
| 05:39.56 | spldart | w0rd |
| 05:40.10 | spldart | I'm 99.9% debian in my particular office |
| 05:40.11 | pacman87 | i finally got 1280x960_72 running |
| 05:40.27 | Mets | lol probably took you a few hours |
| 05:40.35 | spldart | Boss, manager and other employees are still windows.. even the pooping server is windows |
| 05:40.45 | Mets | eh, server on windows? |
| 05:40.51 | spldart | right?!@ |
| 05:40.57 | Mets | mailserver or server server? |
| 05:41.06 | spldart | Data server for clients information |
| 05:41.11 | Mets | .... |
| 05:41.16 | spldart | right?! |
| 05:41.22 | Mets | doh |
| 05:41.44 | spldart | most of them are xp with two ME and one 98 |
| 05:41.49 | spldart | I mean gah!@ |
| 05:41.50 | Mets | outlook is a great email client, so having a windows-based exchange server makes sense |
| 05:41.58 | Mets | but not filees |
| 05:42.00 | Mets | *files |
| 05:42.53 | spldart | I went to etch full time about 9 months before release and have been there ever since... Don't tell. I've been backing up their database on my rig too LOL |
| 05:43.35 | spldart | eep.. sry.. went OT on the channel :( |
| 05:44.10 | pacman87 | Mets: actually, it took me over a year |
| 05:44.13 | pacman87 | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slackware-11-resolutionrefresh-rates-problems-with-nvidia-geforce-6200-515683/ |
| 05:44.33 | spldart | ooOOoo... I'm running a 5200 and 6200 |
| 05:44.47 | Mets | lol |
| 05:44.56 | Mets | I feel for you pac |
| 05:45.10 | spldart | I gotta ask.. What does the 87 mean? |
| 05:45.11 | pacman87 | and i was so close, too. all i needed were the modelines |
| 05:45.14 | Mets | give ubuntu a shot, or sabayan if you want a "gentoo" feel |
| 05:45.19 | pacman87 | born in 1987 |
| 05:45.27 | spldart | woah.. I'm so old :( |
| 05:45.32 | pacman87 | but i *like* slackware now |
| 05:45.32 | Mets | lol nah |
| 05:45.53 | pacman87 | stockholm syndrome? |
| 05:46.03 | Mets | indeed |
| 05:46.14 | spldart | wonder if he's the oldest beginner to linux a few years ago.. At least without unix background before |
| 05:46.46 | spldart | which X is slack using? |
| 05:47.34 | pacman87 | X11? |
| 05:48.14 | pacman87 | x.org 1.3.0 |
| 05:48.59 | pacman87 | i've been wondering if it'd be worth it to upgrade to kde4 |
| 05:50.03 | Mets | it's sweet |
| 05:50.08 | Mets | but on slackware |
| 05:50.13 | Mets | it will take you like a month to get it working |
| 05:50.21 | spldart | ah.. that's what I meant.. xorg or xfree |
| 05:50.48 | Mets | pacman87: http://www.sabayonlinux.org/ |
| 05:50.52 | Mets | give that a run |
| 05:51.01 | Mets | based on gentoo, kde4 and codecs installed by default |
| 05:51.32 | Mets | i keep meaning to dl it but it's like 5 gigs and that's half my weekly quota |
| 05:51.49 | pacman87 | Mets: that *is* my weekly quota |
| 05:52.01 | Mets | yeah that blows |
| 05:52.06 | spldart | ooOOoo... sounds like a job for my stowaway rig @ work |
| 05:52.14 | Mets | do interuniversity transfers count? |
| 05:52.28 | Mets | like if I sent it to you, would that eat your quota |
| 05:52.28 | pacman87 | though i could connect through the citrix app server for ME students |
| 05:52.33 | pacman87 | probably |
| 05:52.45 | Mets | yeah intra doesn't count here, but not sure about inter |
| 05:53.08 | pacman87 | so dl it in a comp lab, and transfer it later |
| 05:53.23 | Mets | yeah i don't know if i have 5 gigs of space |
| 05:53.25 | pacman87 | do you have room on your bzfs server |
| 05:53.34 | Mets | oo i could do it there |
| 05:53.54 | Mets | oh shoot that gets hit with bandwidth too i think |
| 05:54.10 | spldart | wget is fine with multi gig files now right? I'm pretty sure |
| 05:54.18 | pacman87 | internet>lab comp>bzfs server>your comp |
| 05:54.28 | Mets | yeah i gotta look into doing that |
| 05:54.34 | Mets | i think lab comps give me 2gig quota |
| 05:54.37 | Mets | space |
| 05:54.38 | Mets | that is |
| 05:54.43 | pacman87 | lab comps should have open local hd space, too |
| 05:54.56 | pacman87 | you dont' need it for your roaming profile |
| 05:55.04 | Mets | windows lab is open i think |
| 05:55.06 | Mets | haha |
| 05:55.13 | Mets | I'll go hit up the windows cluster |
| 05:57.39 | Mets | darn tried to compile again and nothing |
| 05:57.56 | pacman87 | make doesnt' complain at all? |
| 05:58.02 | Mets | nope |
| 05:58.04 | pacman87 | and suddenly make install does? |
| 05:58.09 | Mets | yeah i know |
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| 05:58.29 | spldart | points @ me.. |
| 05:58.32 | spldart | time to pass out |
| 05:59.48 | short_circuit | Meh |
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| 06:42.29 | AAA_awright | Later |
| 06:44.07 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16825 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: quell warnings |
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| 06:55.28 | KingofCamelot | Anyone around who knows much about setting up a list server? |
| 07:13.30 | javawizard2539 | wow, I'm surprised there are actually people on here this late |
| 07:14.30 | javawizard2539 | Well, g'night all |
| 07:14.34 | KingofCamelot | Timezones? :P |
| 07:14.36 | KingofCamelot | Night |
| 07:14.41 | javawizard2539 | good point |
| 07:14.46 | javawizard2539 | what timezone are you in? |
| 07:14.48 | KingofCamelot | Its only 12 here |
| 07:14.50 | KingofCamelot | PST |
| 07:14.57 | javawizard2539 | MST here, so 1:00 |
| 07:15.06 | KingofCamelot | Thats not too late :P |
| 07:15.13 | javawizard2539 | I guess |
| 07:15.17 | KingofCamelot | Anyways, night |
| 07:15.21 | javawizard2539 | I usually go to bed around 9:30 or 10 |
| 07:15.29 | javawizard2539 | night |
| 07:15.29 | KingofCamelot | wowzers |
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| 07:29.36 | hwilde_ | cheats on fox burrow |
| 07:30.14 | hwilde_ | prguitarman keeps getting tked but nobody is shooting him |
| 07:31.14 | hwilde_ | what a boring cheat |
| 07:38.32 | L4m3r | not a cheat |
| 07:38.39 | L4m3r | more of a... troll |
| 07:38.41 | L4m3r | a griefer |
| 07:43.16 | kick52 | cheats--; |
| 07:43.50 | kick52 | I don't see why anyone would want to make cheats for this game |
| 07:44.01 | kick52 | it isn't the sort of game script kiddie assholes play |
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| 07:45.26 | ocmongoose | hi |
| 08:04.45 | L4m3r | kick52: http://www.penny-arcade.com/docs/internetdickwad.jpg |
| 08:05.00 | kick52 | yup :( |
| 08:07.03 | KingofCamelot | that picture is so true, heh |
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| 09:46.12 | Constitution | BulletCatcher: what's your real name? |
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| 11:14.56 | Wyk3d | still crashing .. http://pastebin.ca/961961 :( |
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| 11:31.01 | Wyk3d | well i guess you just have to do things yourself :) .. i think i found the real problem |
| 11:35.57 | Wyk3d | erase(itr++) is evil |
| 11:44.00 | Wyk3d | -> crash fix patch <- http://pastebin.ca/961985 |
| 11:59.04 | Wyk3d | wishes he was in a different time zone |
| 12:08.49 | donny_baker | Wyk3d: move :P |
| 12:10.18 | Wyk3d | sure, pay all my expenses and get me into a different university and i will :) |
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| 12:41.03 | brlcad | AAA_awright: no I haven't read up yet |
| 12:41.06 | brlcad | pong |
| 12:41.17 | Manu | buenos dÃÂas brlcad :) |
| 12:41.38 | brlcad | hola señor manu manu |
| 12:41.48 | Manu | señor!!! :) |
| 12:42.05 | Manu | brlcad: no me digas eso que me haces mas viejo ;) |
| 12:42.06 | brlcad | mejor que señora? :) |
| 12:42.19 | brlcad | o señorita |
| 12:42.23 | Manu | si, pero aqui lo de señor se lo decimos a los mayores ;) |
| 12:42.25 | brlcad | chuckles |
| 12:42.29 | brlcad | si si |
| 12:42.41 | Manu | yo soy un chaval!!! :/ |
| 12:42.55 | brlcad | trabajo para el militar - todos son 'sir' |
| 12:43.11 | brlcad | incluyendo las mujeres |
| 12:43.31 | Manu | si, lo se por las peliculas de marines ;) |
| 12:43.34 | brlcad | s/para/con/ |
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| 12:47.49 | Manu | brlcad: aqui usamos para referirnos a otra persona, el nombre seguido de: Don | Señor | Señor Don. para mujeres: Doña |Señora | Señora Doña |
| 12:47.57 | Manu | luego hay otros tratamientos mas distinguidos |
| 12:48.50 | spldart | omg.. why is google black backgrounded? |
| 12:52.21 | donny_baker | spldart: it's a publicity stunt to make people aware of energy conservation, major cities across the US and around the world are turning out their lights tonight from 8-9 pm local time |
| 12:55.17 | spldart | oh sweet |
| 12:56.31 | spldart | I wonder if they know that all crt monitors will pull ever so slightly less power when rendering a dark screen over a light one :-) |
| 12:57.05 | brlcad | su majestad manu |
| 12:57.27 | Manu | heh |
| 12:57.47 | Manu | a la orden de usÃÂa brlcad ;) |
| 13:02.28 | spldart | I have a question about linux and building server. My game host is a P200mmx @ work that I ssh into from home. It's very slow to rebuild new bzfs for the test server. Is it practical to build on a same distro @ home, Debian Etch, and the scp my bzfs up to the work machine and have it run with no problems? Keep in mind the machine @ work runs 2.6.24-1-586 and the rig @ home runs 2.6.18-6-k7 |
| 13:03.23 | Manu | spldart: yes |
| 13:03.41 | spldart | Thank you :) |
| 13:04.16 | Manu | you can save a lot of time :) |
| 13:04.33 | spldart | That's what I'm aiming @ |
| 13:09.59 | brlcad | heh |
| 13:10.18 | brlcad | "applications to php and gentoo haven't been very encouraging so far - only 10 each" .. wow |
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| 13:15.32 | donny_baker | brlcad: i think here is a lot to the spring break theory |
| 13:16.12 | donny_baker | with easter so early this year it really staggered spring breaks more, many of them coming earlier than usual |
| 13:16.37 | brlcad | yeah, I could see that |
| 13:18.27 | spldart | SB here was the week before last |
| 13:27.49 | spldart | brb.. |
| 13:28.14 | Wyk3d | what could cause an operation timeout on getting a reply from the list server ? |
| 13:29.14 | Wyk3d | .. if sending the request succeeded |
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| 13:33.02 | brlcad | Wyk3d: lots of things |
| 13:33.20 | brlcad | network hiccups, dns timeout, http stalls |
| 13:34.01 | brlcad | why do some websites stall when you visit them after the initial connection succeeds without a problem |
| 13:34.11 | Wyk3d | well, to be more exact, depending on what public address i set for bzfs |
| 13:34.23 | Wyk3d | i either get no reply or a reply saying that it's incorrect |
| 13:34.50 | brlcad | using head or branch? |
| 13:34.55 | Wyk3d | head |
| 13:35.22 | brlcad | could be a bug, could be you're specifying someting incorrectly ;) |
| 13:35.24 | Wyk3d | does the list server try to reply to the address i supply to it ? |
| 13:35.32 | brlcad | yes it does |
| 13:35.40 | Wyk3d | hmm that could be the problem |
| 13:35.43 | brlcad | so there has to be a reverse path |
| 13:35.51 | Wyk3d | i'm behind a router with no portforwarding |
| 13:35.51 | brlcad | same with branch |
| 13:36.04 | brlcad | if you can't set up a branch server, head sure isn't going to work |
| 13:36.40 | Wyk3d | well, i wanted to set up a local server to test callsign authentication |
| 13:37.17 | Wyk3d | i only need the list server for that, not showing the server in the list |
| 13:37.49 | spldart | What's used to create the color text in bzadmin? Curses? and do I need to link in the appropriate files to VC8 in order to get my windows build of trunk to utilize that? |
| 13:38.22 | Wyk3d | the fact that it does reply if I set localhost as a public address is what's annoying me, if it can connect back for that why can't it do the same for the auth request ? |
| 13:48.41 | Wyk3d | btw it's the same with branch .. |
| 14:17.07 | spldart | ooOOoo... got something lemme see if I can debug |
| 14:18.04 | Wyk3d | something ? |
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| 14:19.27 | spldart | bzadmin blew chunks |
| 14:19.57 | whodaman- | hi Poke-Sword3 |
| 14:20.00 | Wyk3d | :) |
| 14:20.05 | Poke-Sword3 | hey whoda |
| 14:20.14 | Poke-Sword3 | ive like never been here lol |
| 14:21.52 | spldart | http://70.240.251.10:8080/bzadmintrunkcrash.png |
| 14:22.08 | spldart | poop.. tried to retry and it said it failed and must close |
| 14:22.09 | donny_baker | spldart: normal to get stuck in the teleporter to the red base on you Watertowers 2.99 server? |
| 14:22.35 | spldart | teleporter sticking is happening on trunk server all the time.. But doesn't seem to happen in branch |
| 14:22.48 | donny_baker | ok |
| 14:22.49 | spldart | I've stuck both blue and red |
| 14:23.14 | spldart | Watertowers? hehehe |
| 14:23.32 | donny_baker | goes to familkiarize myself with the reported bugs in trunk |
| 14:25.28 | spldart | Will that png help at all with debuging the bzadmin crash when somebody is ready to mess with it? |
| 14:25.36 | donny_baker | hehe... i've always read "WaterTowers" :P |
| 14:26.02 | whodaman- | ~aha++ |
| 14:26.05 | spldart | I can see why now that you said that.. They do kinda look like a cross between a water tower and a giant wine glass |
| 14:32.01 | spldart | Got a little more info this time http://70.240.251.10:8080/bzadmintrunkcrash2.png |
| 14:32.25 | spldart | lemme see if this is specific to windows |
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| 14:39.46 | blast007 | Wyk3d: if you want to run a server with global auth, it has to be on the list, so you have to have port forwarding set up |
| 14:40.19 | blast007 | the list server tries to connect back to your server on the port you specify in the -publicaddr (or the -p, if no publicadrr was specified) |
| 14:40.52 | blast007 | so it's stalling there, which is why the request on your bzfs is timing out |
| 14:42.01 | Wyk3d | but if an error like ip mismatch is found then it replies immediately, not connecting back right ? |
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| 14:51.29 | blast007 | Wyk3d: yes |
| 14:51.48 | blast007 | but it still doesn't add it to the list, so auth still won't work ;) |
| 14:52.19 | Wyk3d | yeah sadly .. i just don't understand why the internet was designed so oddly |
| 14:52.44 | Wyk3d | if the replies can address any computer by IP:Mac Address |
| 14:52.56 | Wyk3d | why can't you connect to it by that directly .. |
| 14:54.51 | blast007 | because you have NAT :P |
| 14:55.12 | blast007 | your PC itself doesn't have a routable address |
| 14:55.49 | blast007 | if your machine connected directly to the internet, then sure, you could do that |
| 14:58.02 | Wyk3d | do MAC addresses need to be unique within a LAN ? |
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| 15:00.36 | blast007 | Wyk3d: yeah |
| 15:00.46 | Wyk3d | then you can theoretically achieve routing by IP+MAC |
| 15:00.59 | Wyk3d | practically routers are designed not do allow this |
| 15:01.08 | blast007 | routers work at layer 3 |
| 15:01.12 | Wyk3d | but they could just as easily route you connect calls by MAC |
| 15:01.40 | blast007 | I'm not sure if the MAC is repacked at each hop.. |
| 15:02.54 | Wyk3d | look at it this way, you connect to a computer outside your LAN and once that session is set up, the party can reply |
| 15:03.13 | blast007 | right |
| 15:03.25 | Wyk3d | that lone is enough to prove that the message that arrives at the destination HAS a way to send back calls to your computer |
| 15:03.26 | blast007 | which is set up completely for layer 3 |
| 15:03.52 | Wyk3d | and so long as that "thing" exist, it IS theoretically possible to do that for connects |
| 15:04.04 | Wyk3d | layers are design impediments |
| 15:04.15 | blast007 | but how would I know your MAC address of a computer inside your network when I'm trying to make a connection to by IP address? |
| 15:04.25 | blast007 | it just doesn't work that way |
| 15:04.35 | Wyk3d | you need to be given that address somehow |
| 15:04.46 | Wyk3d | for example i connect to you and tell you, hey connect to this mac address later |
| 15:04.58 | Wyk3d | and then when you want to connect back, you do |
| 15:05.04 | Wyk3d | no need to keep the connection alive |
| 15:05.05 | blast007 | or, you could just not be lazy, and actually set up your router |
| 15:05.24 | Wyk3d | port forwarding is only for one machine |
| 15:05.29 | blast007 | uh, no |
| 15:05.41 | blast007 | you forward one port, or a range of ports, to that one machine |
| 15:05.49 | blast007 | but I have ports forwarded to several machines |
| 15:06.12 | Wyk3d | lol, yes but the point is that a SPECIFIC port can only be routed to ONE machine |
| 15:06.15 | blast007 | a single port should only go to that machine |
| 15:06.22 | Wyk3d | what if more people on the same lan want to use that port ? |
| 15:06.23 | blast007 | otherwise, you should get more addresses |
| 15:06.24 | Wyk3d | for different thing ? |
| 15:06.39 | Wyk3d | "should" is again, a design decision |
| 15:06.46 | blast007 | HAVE to |
| 15:06.53 | blast007 | this isn't a design decision |
| 15:06.55 | blast007 | this is how it is |
| 15:07.06 | Wyk3d | if you address by MAC too |
| 15:07.11 | Wyk3d | *would |
| 15:07.32 | blast007 | do you even know if you CAN send a MAC address? |
| 15:07.40 | Wyk3d | you can't |
| 15:07.42 | Wyk3d | that's the point |
| 15:07.43 | Wyk3d | :) |
| 15:07.47 | blast007 | right |
| 15:07.50 | Wyk3d | but you could, theoretically |
| 15:07.54 | blast007 | so the point is, there is no point |
| 15:08.30 | blast007 | I could theoretically jump to the moon |
| 15:08.30 | Wyk3d | no you couldn't :) |
| 15:08.31 | blast007 | sure I could |
| 15:08.33 | blast007 | I just can't yet |
| 15:08.47 | blast007 | they don't have a spring loaded space suit yet |
| 15:08.49 | Wyk3d | you didn't decide you don't want to .. you just can't right now, nomatter how hard you tried |
| 15:09.07 | Wyk3d | someone at some point decided, hey let's not allow connections by mac, although it would be possible |
| 15:09.16 | Chestal | Wyk3d: it would not be feasible |
| 15:09.18 | blast007 | it's not a good idea anyway |
| 15:09.24 | blast007 | MAC address DO get reused |
| 15:09.26 | Chestal | Wyk3d: the protocol lasyers are designed liek they are for a reason |
| 15:09.37 | blast007 | and it's not like they are hard-coded. You can change your MAC |
| 15:09.42 | Chestal | Wyk3d: for wide area routing, MACs lack structure |
| 15:10.04 | Wyk3d | yeah they do get reused, and so do IPs |
| 15:10.06 | Chestal | Wyk3d: when you know a MAC you have _no_ idea how to route to there |
| 15:10.20 | Chestal | IPs have internal structure which allow for routing |
| 15:10.27 | blast007 | Wyk3d: no, routable IPs do not get reused |
| 15:10.42 | Wyk3d | i mean, IPs can be assigned dynamically |
| 15:10.44 | blast007 | your 192.168.1.x address would NOT work online |
| 15:10.57 | blast007 | Wyk3d: your point? |
| 15:10.58 | spldart | :-) |
| 15:11.00 | Wyk3d | i know, but my external IP would |
| 15:11.16 | blast007 | that address is not being used at the same time elsewhere |
| 15:11.21 | blast007 | a MAC address COULD be |
| 15:11.25 | Wyk3d | doesn't matter |
| 15:11.39 | Wyk3d | the same IP AND MAC would never be used elsewhere |
| 15:11.44 | Wyk3d | both at the same time |
| 15:11.45 | blast007 | why not? |
| 15:11.51 | Wyk3d | because IPs are unique |
| 15:11.58 | spldart | umm |
| 15:11.59 | spldart | hehe |
| 15:12.01 | Wyk3d | and due to that IP + MAC is also unique |
| 15:12.12 | blast007 | I just find the concept pointless |
| 15:12.17 | blast007 | just set up your damn router |
| 15:12.21 | spldart | LOL |
| 15:12.23 | Wyk3d | it's not my router |
| 15:12.30 | blast007 | don't redesign the network to save yourself a few clicks |
| 15:12.32 | spldart | oeznoez |
| 15:12.34 | blast007 | internet* |
| 15:12.35 | Wyk3d | and i may or may not have any say in what ports get forwarded |
| 15:12.38 | Wyk3d | and to whom |
| 15:12.48 | blast007 | maybe that's for a reason? |
| 15:12.55 | blast007 | they don't want you hosting stuff? :P |
| 15:12.58 | spldart | So you vent here? :-) |
| 15:13.14 | blast007 | "omgz, the interwebz r designed wrong!" |
| 15:13.30 | blast007 | "i shud be admin on teh routar!" |
| 15:13.31 | spldart | " In my world I'd have a completey different proto for packets and I'd have access to their router " |
| 15:13.38 | blast007 | hehe |
| 15:13.41 | spldart | poop.. you beat me to it |
| 15:14.00 | spldart | is giggling |
| 15:14.14 | Wyk3d | yes, well either way, my only point was the it would be possible to overcome this limitation if it had been designed differently |
| 15:14.44 | blast007 | sure |
| 15:14.49 | blast007 | but it wasn't :) |
| 15:15.01 | Wyk3d | yes .. let's end this discussion ^^ |
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| 15:59.58 | Paul_PL | paul |
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| 16:35.15 | Wyk3d | btw anyone got time to check this patch -> http://pastebin.ca/961985 ? |
| 16:37.55 | blast007 | Wyk3d: post it to the patch tracker on SF.net |
| 16:38.20 | Wyk3d | k, well it's small i figured why bother .. |
| 16:38.22 | Wyk3d | but ok .. |
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| 16:49.44 | JeffM | Wyk3d: it's so we have tracking on it |
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| 17:08.34 | Wyk3d | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1928830&group_id=3248&atid=103248 |
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| 17:09.41 | JeffM | thanks |
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| 17:11.05 | Wyk3d | no problem |
| 17:13.59 | JeffM | what is your real name? |
| 17:14.31 | Wyk3d | Istvan Szakats (name, surname) |
| 17:16.01 | Wyk3d | though normally hungarian names are written the other way around with the surname coming first |
| 17:16.15 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16826 10/trunk/bzflag/src/common/BufferedNetworkMessage.cxx: patch #1928830 to fix crash on quit. Thanks Istvan Szakats |
| 17:16.20 | JeffM | thanks for the fix |
| 17:18.00 | donny_baker | ~Wyk3d++ |
| 17:18.21 | Wyk3d | ~karma |
| 17:18.21 | ibot | wyk3d has karma of 3 |
| 17:18.25 | Wyk3d | :) |
| 17:31.56 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16827 10/trunk/bzflag/AUTHORS: credit Wyk3d for fixing a crash-on-exit bug |
| 17:34.53 | JeffM | see that's why we want the real name ;) |
| 17:36.29 | spldart | does a little gir happy dance |
| 17:38.15 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16828 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: quell warnings |
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| 17:41.06 | brlcad | hello O-Neil |
| 17:41.27 | O-Neil | hey brlcad |
| 17:42.41 | BulletCatcher | Constitution asked for my real name, but I prefer to be listed as Bullet Catcher. Is that okay? |
| 17:43.02 | brlcad | sure |
| 17:43.49 | JeffM | it's nicer to have your real name tho |
| 17:44.10 | BulletCatcher | Nicer in what way? |
| 17:44.23 | JeffM | well to me, shows trust |
| 17:44.33 | JeffM | but also in some legal ways, if we ever had to contact you, etc.. |
| 17:44.59 | JeffM | but it's not a huge deal |
| 17:46.09 | BulletCatcher | I intend to maintain the BC persona, including e-mail, for the foreseeable future, so it should be easy to contact me. |
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| 17:46.26 | JeffM | BulletCatcher: I mean years and years down the road |
| 17:46.46 | JeffM | it also makes me wonder "what do you have to hide?" |
| 17:47.10 | BulletCatcher | I am willing to give my real name to Tim Riker if needed for copyright purposes. |
| 17:47.15 | JeffM | wow |
| 17:47.21 | JeffM | whatever floats your boat |
| 17:47.50 | JeffM | brlcad: any more word from yon org? |
| 17:48.05 | brlcad | which one? |
| 17:48.12 | JeffM | any of em :) |
| 17:48.48 | brlcad | yeah, spi sent me a crapload of stuff to read for their process |
| 17:49.06 | JeffM | SPI was the one that was not wanting to do a game at first? |
| 17:49.18 | brlcad | no, they're another group |
| 17:49.24 | JeffM | ahh |
| 17:49.45 | brlcad | SFC didn't want to bring on a game |
| 17:49.56 | brlcad | but would consider if things were a bust |
| 17:50.00 | brlcad | which I would say they were |
| 17:50.18 | JeffM | I wonder why they think we will be more trouble then a regular org |
| 17:50.31 | brlcad | i don't think that's why |
| 17:50.39 | JeffM | just image? |
| 17:51.14 | brlcad | they said that they really are just swamped for taking on *any* new orgs, so if there's a start-up non-profit for a niche, they're just encouraging folks to go with those |
| 17:51.20 | brlcad | to spread the love per-se |
| 17:51.25 | JeffM | ahh |
| 17:51.57 | brlcad | they'd heard about and been involved mildly with the gaming group but I guess just really hadn't gotten into the details, just knew about them |
| 17:52.50 | brlcad | spi has their act much more together process-wise, but haven't had any talks with their participants to see what things are like |
| 17:53.06 | brlcad | how much they get involved in operations and legalities |
| 17:53.25 | brlcad | did you know that the dev mailing list has been dead for like 6 months? |
| 17:54.15 | brlcad | thinks riker needs to do something about that |
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| 17:57.15 | bz75 | Hello! Can someone please help me and tell me whos the admin for this server and port... 05.bztank.net:5158 |
| 17:57.16 | JeffM | hah |
| 17:57.28 | bz75 | Because I wish to be a cop or admin for them |
| 17:57.28 | JeffM | and noone knew it was dead |
| 17:58.02 | JeffM | isn't bztank.net benfish? |
| 17:58.08 | think_tank | nods. |
| 17:58.19 | Winny | bz75, yeah |
| 17:58.21 | Winny | don't ask |
| 17:58.32 | Winny | that basically guarentees you won't get it |
| 17:58.33 | brlcad | i just noticed because I wasn't getting tracker notifications |
| 17:58.46 | JeffM | brlcad: why do we need tim to fix it? can we not fix it ourslevs? |
| 17:58.48 | brlcad | so I went to investigate, saw they are going to bzflag-dev |
| 17:58.59 | brlcad | we cannot, unless you know the ML passwords |
| 17:59.14 | brlcad | I tried the usual |
| 17:59.17 | JeffM | we should just get them from Tim |
| 17:59.27 | mbfg | sometimes initial tracker posts to send, but comments/follow ups do (in general not just bz) |
| 17:59.39 | mbfg | initials don't send |
| 17:59.40 | brlcad | ooh, mbfg! :) |
| 17:59.46 | mbfg | greetings |
| 18:00.12 | brlcad | howdy good sir |
| 18:00.19 | brlcad | http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=bzflag-dev |
| 18:00.23 | JeffM | how goes the lives with the horses? |
| 18:00.31 | brlcad | looks like it stopped after some spam made it through |
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| 18:00.41 | brlcad | I bet tim turned it to moderated and hasn't been moderating |
| 18:00.49 | mbfg | rough :) |
| 18:00.50 | JeffM | brlcad: just email tim for the passwords |
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| 18:02.33 | brlcad | roots for heart's luck .. she's a beat. |
| 18:02.40 | brlcad | er, beaut. :) |
| 18:02.45 | mbfg | danka |
| 18:02.55 | mbfg | horsey is living in florida now :) |
| 18:03.18 | brlcad | mm.. cold no good? |
| 18:03.33 | mbfg | no... just sold to someone in florida |
| 18:03.40 | brlcad | ahhh |
| 18:03.45 | brlcad | *sniff* |
| 18:03.52 | brlcad | they grow up so fast |
| 18:03.58 | mbfg | yup |
| 18:04.13 | mbfg | two more coming in may (hopefully) |
| 18:05.16 | brlcad | wonders what/who started the Heart line .. and where's Heart's Heart? :) |
| 18:05.34 | mbfg | wifeepoo is in charge of naming |
| 18:05.38 | brlcad | :) |
| 18:05.41 | brlcad | nuff said |
| 18:05.47 | mbfg | yup |
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| 18:12.05 | donny_baker | mbfg: you raise horses? what type |
| 18:12.21 | donny_baker | my brother breeds paints |
| 18:13.18 | javawizard2539 | Question about bzflag message of the day, On the message of the day it says that bzflag stands for Battle zone capture flag but everywhere else it says it stands for Battle zone capture *the* flag. Which is correct? |
| 18:14.03 | JeffM | both |
| 18:14.37 | JeffM | the history page has chris's name IIRC |
| 18:16.04 | javawizard2539 | history page? |
| 18:16.06 | JeffM | CTF actualy came after the basic game |
| 18:16.26 | javawizard2539 | Right, but in some places it includes the word the |
| 18:16.47 | javawizard2539 | which sounds more grammatically correct, but whatever |
| 18:17.35 | bz75 | Hey Blast007 You there? |
| 18:20.24 | AHA | ~blast007++ |
| 18:21.19 | brlcad | javawizard2539: the first reference I see to it searching back through archives refers to it as "Battle Zone capture Flag" |
| 18:21.26 | brlcad | back in october 2003 |
| 18:22.03 | javawizard2539 | Ok |
| 18:22.31 | brlcad | before then, there isn't really any intention to spell it out because it doesn't really "stand for" that, it's just a way of explaining it -- BZFlag is just the name |
| 18:24.02 | brlcad | otherwise, sure, it sounds better with the 'the', but it really doesn't matter with or without |
| 18:24.22 | JeffM | I always thought of it as just "BattleZone With Flags" |
| 18:24.37 | brlcad | "Battle Zone Flags" |
| 18:24.46 | brlcad | why does there need to be a word in there? :) |
| 18:25.20 | brlcad | s/s// :) |
| 18:25.35 | JeffM | we should rename it to Super Happy Lucky Tank Slaughter |
| 18:26.03 | brlcad | SHlTS for short? |
| 18:26.20 | JeffM | wow, that was oddly not indented |
| 18:26.27 | JeffM | but hilarious |
| 18:26.32 | brlcad | laughs |
| 18:28.22 | spldart | que vaudville music |
| 18:29.14 | JeffM | thinks he needs a 4 gig card for the camera |
| 18:36.32 | BulletCatcher | Speaking of the motd, is IRIX really still supported? |
| 18:37.13 | JeffM | sure |
| 18:38.47 | BulletCatcher | Does anyone actually build BZFlag on IRIX any more? |
| 18:39.08 | JeffM | a few people |
| 18:39.20 | JeffM | it's certanly not our highest use OS |
| 18:39.38 | BulletCatcher | Certainly not, but okay. |
| 18:43.57 | JeffM | finds it odd that his camera can print directly to the printer |
| 18:46.37 | spldart | Well i don't know if it's all the way fixed but a very recent commit seems to have stopped the server connection errors on trunk.. I say that cuz norang's auto built server is stilll showing the symptom and I believe it is several hours older |
| 18:46.56 | spldart | Lag seems to be higher than normal still.. |
| 18:47.22 | JeffM | lag reporting? or lag as you play? |
| 18:49.03 | spldart | report... and confirmed I jumped on my branch server on same machine @ work with this connection @ home and getting lag of 40 to 50 ms |
| 18:49.24 | JeffM | how does it play? |
| 18:49.59 | spldart | Except for the known bugs it's playable.. you have to keep the map simple though... transporters lock up sometimes.. of course mesh collision is broken. etc |
| 18:50.17 | spldart | Well.. the very brand new checkout of trunk is playable IMO |
| 18:50.25 | spldart | so far |
| 18:50.31 | JeffM | I can "fix" meshes very easy :) |
| 18:50.36 | spldart | ah |
| 18:51.14 | spldart | Well.. this latest update which I'm currently the only one running is the first one I'd say might be good enough to do a simple map like decks and do the shoot a mentor day |
| 18:51.40 | spldart | We may get a feel if the lag is a reported or real problem too |
| 18:52.45 | spldart | A real test would be to get at least 3 different players on a very fresh bzfs and let them go at it for about 5 minutes.. that always brought about the server comm error up to today |
| 18:56.39 | spldart | I'm running the linux latest build on it now |
| 18:56.49 | spldart | client |
| 19:00.27 | spldart | Got someothing else for yah too.. |
| 19:01.11 | spldart | Same exact map the teleporter that leads to base works in linux client but your tank siezes on it with windows client |
| 19:01.21 | spldart | Your not sealed and can still fire but you can't shoot |
| 19:01.48 | spldart | I went to the same teleporter with my linux client and you can see the tank wiggling up and down like it wants to OO through the floor but can't |
| 19:02.38 | spldart | see the 'windows' tank wiggling |
| 19:03.08 | spldart | My on ground linked to on ground telelporters work in both maps |
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| 19:04.10 | spldart | meh.. I can't talk right ... work in both clients. |
| 19:05.32 | BulletCatcher | That sounds similar to, but may not be quite the same as the problem in SF bug 1696723. |
| 19:05.43 | BulletCatcher | That problem is fixed by adjusting compiler optimizations. |
| 19:06.00 | spldart | So some VC8 setting? |
| 19:06.21 | spldart | me googles |
| 19:06.22 | BulletCatcher | Could be. I'm not a Windows guy. |
| 19:06.35 | spldart | hehe me neither.. as of a year or two ago |
| 19:06.45 | spldart | But for testing I gotta run both |
| 19:07.46 | spldart | Ah found it.. But in my case it's not sealed |
| 19:07.51 | spldart | I can even shoot.. |
| 19:07.54 | spldart | just not drive |
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| 19:09.59 | spldart | Oh.. and that bug author is running linux whereas my issue is oppossite... linux fine windows is doin it... have nvidia in common with him though.. |
| 19:13.12 | BulletCatcher | Yep. That makes it less likely that optimization is the problem, but I was reminded of that bug. |
| 19:13.31 | spldart | good memory though :) |
| 19:13.56 | BulletCatcher | I suffered from it for quite a while. |
| 19:14.05 | spldart | :-) |
| 19:38.32 | spamrams | hey do any of ya guys know where textures for tank are initially loaded? |
| 19:38.34 | spamrams | what file? |
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| 19:43.38 | blast007 | spamrams: probably the ones with the word "tank" in them |
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| 19:56.35 | spamrams | blast007 , I also have another doubt |
| 19:57.03 | spamrams | the noiseProc procvedure defined in texture manager.. have ya seen that? |
| 20:03.32 | *** join/#bzflag BAPTIST (n=47360b92@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 20:03.38 | BAPTIST | hello? |
| 20:03.45 | F6_having_proble | Hiya |
| 20:03.59 | BAPTIST | i want to ask a queston |
| 20:04.21 | BAPTIST | could you help someone be admin of their server? |
| 20:04.34 | F6_having_proble | What do you mean? |
| 20:04.40 | F6_having_proble | Like admin passwords? |
| 20:05.04 | javawizard2539 | You want to become an admin or are an admin and don't know how to use the admin status> |
| 20:05.05 | javawizard2539 | ? |
| 20:09.51 | BAPTIST | srry im back i was doing something |
| 20:10.13 | BAPTIST | uh i want to become an admin but i dont know how to register |
| 20:10.27 | javawizard2539 | BAPTIST, your own server or someone else's? |
| 20:10.35 | BAPTIST | someon elses |
| 20:10.46 | javawizard2539 | usually, you don't ask to become an admin |
| 20:11.11 | BAPTIST | i know im just saying do you register or what |
| 20:11.19 | F6_having_proble | Usually not |
| 20:11.27 | BAPTIST | oh |
| 20:11.32 | javawizard2539 | an existing admin has to change the server's config files |
| 20:11.39 | F6_having_proble | If people think you can handle being admin, then they will. |
| 20:11.42 | BAPTIST | and by usergroups what do they mean? |
| 20:11.56 | F6_having_proble | javawizard2539: not if you're using global groups |
| 20:12.17 | javawizard2539 | F6_having_proble, that reminds me of another question I had |
| 20:12.34 | BAPTIST | for instance my membership is pending for starting admin group |
| 20:12.45 | javawizard2539 | I was recently added to the bzflag sf project, and now I'm an admin on a bunch of servers. what's up with that? |
| 20:12.45 | BAPTIST | by that what do they mean? |
| 20:13.06 | BAPTIST | sf project? |
| 20:13.09 | F6_having_proble | Admin groups are server-specific. There is no single way to become admin that works on every server. |
| 20:13.18 | BAPTIST | hmm...... |
| 20:13.46 | BAPTIST | oh ok |
| 20:13.56 | F6_having_proble | If you want to become an admin at Missile Wars, find the nearest admin relative to your location and buy them multiple cheesecakes. |
| 20:14.08 | F6_having_proble | ;-) |
| 20:14.21 | Winny | F6_having_proble: why are you singling me out? |
| 20:14.23 | BAPTIST | hehe im getting used to these things im in computer training nowadays |
| 20:14.38 | BAPTIST | buy them multiple? |
| 20:14.40 | *** join/#bzflag Ride- (n=Ride-@24-197-250-9.dhcp.stpt.wi.charter.com) |
| 20:15.07 | F6_having_proble | Winny: If BAPTIST wants to be an admin on MY server network, send money to the following address... (Happy?) |
| 20:15.19 | Winny | most certainly :p |
| 20:15.29 | Ride- | does anyone know how to use the hideAdmin command |
| 20:15.32 | Ride- | in bzflag |
| 20:15.40 | Winny | put it in your group file |
| 20:15.54 | think_tank | add it to whatever group you want to have it |
| 20:15.55 | BAPTIST | oh hey Winny |
| 20:16.14 | Winny | hi |
| 20:17.09 | BAPTIST | (whispers to F6_having_proble) i look up to Winny dont tell him |
| 20:17.25 | BAPTIST | hehe |
| 20:17.25 | Winny | heh |
| 20:18.22 | BAPTIST | so F687s_cgi you introducing me to a server?,or not? |
| 20:18.58 | *** join/#bzflag Saturos_iPod (n=root@p57A0E9F8.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:18.58 | BAPTIST | dodododoo..... |
| 20:19.00 | blast007 | javawizard2539: there is a DEVELOPERS global group that you probably got added to ;) |
| 20:19.04 | F687s_cgi | What do you mean? |
| 20:19.06 | blast007 | hi Saturos_iPod :) |
| 20:19.18 | Saturos_iPod | hi :) |
| 20:19.23 | Winny | muh-oh |
| 20:19.41 | Winny | You got an iTouch? |
| 20:19.48 | Saturos_iPod | Sep |
| 20:19.52 | Saturos_iPod | yep |
| 20:19.52 | Winny | :) |
| 20:20.16 | Saturos_iPod | stupid German grammar correction |
| 20:20.28 | Saturos_iPod | *spelling |
| 20:20.43 | BAPTIST | a few sentences you wrote if BAPTIST wants to be a admin on MY server ntework,send money to the following adress....(Happy?) |
| 20:20.58 | Winny | What client are you using? the colloquy one? |
| 20:21.15 | Saturos_iPod | colloQ |
| 20:21.37 | Saturos_iPod | so, yes |
| 20:21.42 | F687s_cgi | BAPTIST: That was a joke. |
| 20:22.02 | BAPTIST | oh good one you had me going for a couple of...... minutes |
| 20:22.14 | Ebert | saturos you should send me some of ur apple gadgets |
| 20:22.36 | Saturos_iPod | :) |
| 20:22.48 | BAPTIST | yea so i gotta go ill be ingame killing poeple left to right and NOT tking.=) |
| 20:23.00 | Saturos_iPod | bzadmin would be awesome |
| 20:23.02 | Winny | sends Ebert his broken macbook |
| 20:23.06 | BAPTIST | hehe spelled poeple wrong |
| 20:23.11 | F687s_cgi | That will only make you respected, not admin, though. ;-) |
| 20:23.13 | BAPTIST | it would |
| 20:23.22 | Ebert | accepts gratefully and promptly sells on eBay |
| 20:23.29 | Winny | ;) |
| 20:23.30 | BAPTIST | lol |
| 20:23.55 | *** join/#bzflag bier_ (n=bier@p54A572E3.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:23.56 | BAPTIST | i mean...hehe |
| 20:24.35 | BAPTIST | and i need help MAKING a map ive read wiki page no help to me |
| 20:24.50 | BAPTIST | i havent gone that far into computer training |
| 20:24.52 | F687s_cgi | By hand? By BZEdit? |
| 20:24.59 | Winny | "<BAPTIST> i havent gone that far into computer training" huh? |
| 20:24.59 | BAPTIST | by hand |
| 20:25.11 | BAPTIST | imk in computer training |
| 20:25.15 | BAPTIST | im not imk |
| 20:25.23 | Winny | ...training for what? |
| 20:25.37 | F687s_cgi | Well, you're in for a world of hurt... |
| 20:25.39 | BAPTIST | business and learning diffrent specialties as they call it |
| 20:25.52 | Winny | I see |
| 20:26.11 | BAPTIST | but as soon as i learn enough ill go into the marines or something |
| 20:26.59 | F687s_cgi | You've read <http://my.bzflag.org/w/Category:Map_Making>, right? |
| 20:27.00 | BAPTIST | cop, coast guard........................yep -_- |
| 20:27.17 | AHA | what does computer training have to do with the marines? |
| 20:27.20 | BAPTIST | not yet |
| 20:27.34 | *** join/#bzflag Ride288 (n=Ride-@24-197-250-9.dhcp.stpt.wi.charter.com) |
| 20:27.54 | Ride288 | someone kick Ride- |
| 20:27.59 | AHA | you can |
| 20:28.02 | BAPTIST | it says the requested page title is invalid |
| 20:28.03 | Ride288 | how |
| 20:28.11 | AHA | /msg nickserv ghost ride ride's_password |
| 20:28.19 | Winny | /msg nickserv ghost Ride- <password> |
| 20:28.21 | Ride288 | ok |
| 20:28.26 | F687s_cgi | Try |
| 20:28.32 | F687s_cgi | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Category:Map_Making |
| 20:28.39 | BAPTIST | k im on it boss |
| 20:28.48 | Ride288 | ok |
| 20:28.49 | AHA | Ride288, now: /nick ride- |
| 20:28.54 | BAPTIST | im in |
| 20:29.02 | BAPTIST | now what/ |
| 20:29.05 | BAPTIST | ? |
| 20:29.10 | Winny | Read it.. |
| 20:29.11 | AHA | BAPTIST, read it :) |
| 20:29.21 | F687s_cgi | Use j00r reading skillz ;-) |
| 20:29.25 | BAPTIST | i did a couple of days ago didnt understand it |
| 20:29.31 | AHA | Ride-, now you need to identify |
| 20:29.39 | AHA | /msg nickserv id <your password> |
| 20:29.40 | F687s_cgi | Are you running Window$ ? |
| 20:29.53 | Ride- | there |
| 20:29.56 | Ride- | all done |
| 20:29.57 | BAPTIST | yes ..........wait.........wait.......yeah |
| 20:30.04 | Ride- | ok so as i was saying before |
| 20:30.07 | BAPTIST | hehe |
| 20:30.20 | Ride- | does anyone know how to use the HideAdmin command |
| 20:30.26 | Winny | Ride-: group files |
| 20:30.26 | AHA | Ride-, we said yes |
| 20:30.26 | BAPTIST | i dont! |
| 20:30.36 | Winny | add that permission to the group you wish to have it |
| 20:30.48 | F687s_cgi | Now download BZEdit (Win32), and play with it. |
| 20:30.52 | BAPTIST | me?permission?... |
| 20:30.56 | Ride- | wait so what do i do |
| 20:31.03 | BAPTIST | ok |
| 20:31.04 | Ride- | AHA pm please |
| 20:31.06 | AHA | BAPTIST, no, not you. we are talking to ride |
| 20:31.12 | AHA | okay... |
| 20:31.23 | Winny | Ride-, http://my.bzflag.org/w/Setting_up_a_group_file |
| 20:31.33 | BAPTIST | by play it what do you mean? |
| 20:31.59 | F687s_cgi | Start making maps. And once you start learning some of the basics, you can move on into more advanced stuff. |
| 20:32.14 | BAPTIST | alrighteo thanks |
| 20:35.38 | BAPTIST | you guys will think im lying when i say this i read it all |
| 20:35.50 | BAPTIST | 12 grade reading lvl |
| 20:36.13 | F687s_cgi | So now you can put it into action. |
| 20:36.14 | BAPTIST | kidding college reading lvl |
| 20:36.19 | BAPTIST | been reading since i was 3 |
| 20:36.35 | BAPTIST | ok |
| 20:37.04 | BAPTIST | good at reading bad at english |
| 20:37.17 | BAPTIST | by putting it into action what do you mean? |
| 20:37.46 | F687s_cgi | Use the information to create your map. But don't forget to plan first. Plan excessively, and compulsively. |
| 20:38.03 | BAPTIST | k...... |
| 20:38.16 | BAPTIST | 0_0 |
| 20:41.31 | *** join/#bzflag Saturos_iPod (n=root@p57A0E9F8.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:43.08 | BAPTIST | my little bro zipped ear with zipper ill be back |
| 20:43.19 | BAPTIST | zipped my ear |
| 20:43.22 | BAPTIST | k |
| 20:43.29 | Ebert | who wheres zippers on their ears |
| 20:43.37 | Ebert | wears eh |
| 20:44.06 | BAPTIST | k im back |
| 20:44.12 | F687s_cgi | Cool. |
| 20:44.13 | blast007 | Ebert: it's to hold his brain in |
| 20:44.30 | BAPTIST | lol i watch ultimate fighting so i pinned him with subbmission |
| 20:44.43 | blast007 | BAPTIST: I bet you did. Thanks for sharing. |
| 20:45.00 | BAPTIST | alright i gotta go take the dog out. |
| 20:45.02 | AHA | hf |
| 20:45.09 | F687s_cgi | gl ;-) |
| 20:45.23 | Winny | BAPTIST: You really don't need to tell us everything you do |
| 20:46.01 | blast007 | This play-by-play brought to you by BAPTIST! |
| 20:46.24 | BulletCatcher | types a line on his keyboard and presses enter |
| 20:46.32 | Winny | blast007: hehe |
| 20:47.09 | blast007 | I bet when he rejoins, he'll say something like "im back!" |
| 20:47.38 | F687s_cgi | But these are the people who fuel the C-list blogs all over the world. Without them... |
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| 21:12.06 | Flash | I have found a way to reliably repeat a problem that has been bugging me. Now that I can repeat it, what's the best way to debug it? |
| 21:12.20 | blast007 | depends what the problem is |
| 21:12.31 | Flash | when using keys, the application locks up |
| 21:12.39 | Flash | specifically, the arrow keys |
| 21:12.59 | Flash | it seems to be tied either to the hardware (MacBook pro) or the OS (10.5) |
| 21:13.17 | Constitution | do you know how to use gdb? |
| 21:13.18 | Flash | I've never debugged a Mac application before |
| 21:13.20 | blast007 | run it through a debugger, in a windowed mode, with Confine Mouse turned off |
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| 21:13.22 | Flash | yes, I can use gdb |
| 21:13.29 | blast007 | you also need a debug build of the client |
| 21:13.37 | AHA | ~blast007++ |
| 21:14.00 | Flash | be gentle with me; I'm used to clicking on icons on the Mac |
| 21:14.20 | blast007 | I'm used to beating my Mac with a stick. |
| 21:14.25 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:15.03 | Flash | ./configure --enable-debug? |
| 21:15.12 | Constitution | yep |
| 21:15.47 | Flash | then just make, or is there a different target? |
| 21:15.55 | Constitution | just make |
| 21:16.23 | Flash | I guess I'll need a make clean first; it didn't make anything at all |
| 21:16.39 | blast007 | and just a note.. it might tell you to 'make install' at some point, but do *not* do that |
| 21:17.32 | Flash | what's the real penalty of -g? I almost never turn it off at work |
| 21:18.23 | DTRemenak | size |
| 21:18.42 | DTRemenak | --enable-debug does more than just -g though |
| 21:18.43 | Flash | pffft. space is cheap ;-) |
| 21:19.02 | Gnurdux | what else does --enable-debug turn on? |
| 21:19.02 | Flash | what else does it do? |
| 21:19.05 | DTRemenak | it also does -O0, which has negative effects on both size and speed |
| 21:19.17 | Gnurdux | it turns off all optimizations? |
| 21:19.19 | Flash | doesn't -g disable optimization by default? |
| 21:19.33 | DTRemenak | depends on the version of gcc iirc |
| 21:19.47 | Constitution | it also makes the client and server print debug messages |
| 21:20.15 | Flash | with my luck, it will be sufficiently different that I can't reliably reproduce the problem again |
| 21:20.23 | DTRemenak | and enables a few extra options (network statistics, extra stuff in the display menu, etc) |
| 21:21.54 | Flash | ok, it's built now |
| 21:23.27 | Flash | can you walk me through a command-line invocation? |
| 21:24.14 | Constitution | from the root of the bzflag source dir... |
| 21:24.22 | Constitution | gdb ./src/bzflag/bzflag |
| 21:24.35 | Constitution | set args -window |
| 21:24.37 | Constitution | run |
| 21:25.25 | Flash | as I feared, the problem doesn't manifest now |
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| 21:25.49 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v Tupone] by ChanServ |
| 21:25.51 | blast007 | press the keys harder |
| 21:26.04 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16829 10/trunk/bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): if it's bad one place, it's bad the other. also s/mesages/messages/ globablly. |
| 21:26.04 | Flash | maybe if I press the "any" key... |
| 21:26.06 | DTRemenak | hah |
| 21:27.26 | Ride- | ok i just sent myself an email to that new email address and it got there but still no BZFlag |
| 21:27.40 | Ride- | and i know that i put in the right address because i checked |
| 21:28.07 | Ride- | wrong channel my bad guys |
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| 21:36.22 | FusionDude | fools rush in where angels fear to tread |
| 21:37.45 | Flash | well, it didn't happen reliably, but I did get it to happen (then, because I changed to full-screen mode I had to reboot) |
| 21:38.01 | Flash | I hooked up a second monitor from which I can run gdb |
| 21:40.36 | Constitution | bzbb admins: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=12417 could probably find a better forum category |
| 21:41.42 | Flash | this is evil |
| 21:42.00 | Flash | when it locked up, I couldn't cntl-C in the gdb window |
| 21:42.32 | Flash | Unfortunately, the only way I could get control back was to close the terminal window (so I lost my debug info) |
| 21:42.41 | Flash | but it did print a message before it hung |
| 21:53.59 | Flash | apparently, when it crashes, it still hangs on to the keyboard, so I can't enter and gdb commands or even switch to this application |
| 21:54.29 | Tupone | use another computer and enter via network |
| 21:54.41 | Flash | -[NSLayoutManager glyphRangeForTextContainer:]: given container does not appear in the list of containers for this NSLayoutManager |
| 21:55.00 | Flash | Tupone: stretching my resources ;-) |
| 21:55.01 | Tupone | ahh, that is the sdl main. Old version |
| 21:55.27 | Flash | Program received signal EXC_BAD_ACCESS, Could not access memory. |
| 21:55.45 | Flash | Reason: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS at address 0x65ff5c1f |
| 21:55.53 | Tupone | what version of bzflag is? |
| 21:55.58 | Flash | 0x918b06e8 in obc_msgSend() |
| 21:56.12 | Flash | it's 2.0.10 with one patch |
| 21:56.16 | Flash | no, two ptches |
| 21:56.19 | Flash | *patches |
| 21:56.47 | Flash | it has the extended obs info (collision detection) and logging of IP address/nicknames |
| 21:56.47 | spamrams | hey JeffM |
| 21:56.51 | Tupone | hmm, SDLmain should be updated. I think is done in the branch, but after release |
| 21:56.52 | spamrams | u there? |
| 21:56.56 | JeffM | ? |
| 21:57.17 | spamrams | thanks man! added the modify texture thingie |
| 21:57.52 | JeffM | oh for your video texture thing, right |
| 21:57.54 | JeffM | it work ok? |
| 21:58.07 | Flash | a U next to the name from SVN indicates it was updated or unchanged? |
| 21:58.26 | Tupone | U -> updated |
| 21:58.27 | spamrams | yeah.. I am just wrapping "noise" texture over it now |
| 21:58.37 | JeffM | unchanged files aren't hit usualy |
| 21:58.43 | Flash | wow. Every single file got updated |
| 21:58.45 | JeffM | spamrams: fun |
| 21:58.48 | Flash | oh. that's why |
| 21:58.56 | Flash | ok, I'll rebuild and try again |
| 21:59.03 | JeffM | Flash: cus it's 2008 |
| 21:59.11 | spamrams | Would u want to see the code to see whether its what u intended me to? |
| 21:59.34 | JeffM | spamrams: only if you need help with it. if it's working for you then great |
| 21:59.36 | Flash | so we needed to update copyrights? |
| 21:59.42 | JeffM | and if it works I don't need to see it |
| 21:59.45 | JeffM | Flash: yep |
| 22:00.08 | Flash | probably overkill, if the file hasn't been modified |
| 22:00.20 | JeffM | it's what we do |
| 22:00.39 | spamrams | Okies! |
| 22:01.30 | spamrams | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m6a1e0fa8 |
| 22:01.56 | Tupone | Well, probably is not-correct to extend copyright if file is not changed |
| 22:02.44 | DTRemenak | we treat bzflag as a single "work" |
| 22:03.14 | DTRemenak | just like you wouldn't treat each page of a book as a different work, you don't treat each source file as a different work |
| 22:03.40 | Tupone | I don't think that is correct, in the view of "declaring" library usable |
| 22:03.53 | Tupone | from external projects |
| 22:03.57 | DTRemenak | thus the notice is "bzflag is copyright..." not "this file is copyright..." |
| 22:05.54 | Flash | Tupone: you said SDLMain was updated... what date should I have? |
| 22:06.16 | Flash | looks to me like it's April 2007 |
| 22:07.31 | Tupone | SDLmain come from libSDL. IIRC someone put that file on the bzflag tree |
| 22:07.50 | Tupone | you should use the one from libSDL, if I'm right |
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| 22:08.27 | Flash | There is SDLMain.{h,lo,m,o} in platform/MacOSX |
| 22:09.02 | Flash | of course, the .o and .lo were just compiled today |
| 22:11.47 | Flash | as a side note (or is it), when I start up gdb, it says "warning: Unable to read symbols for "@executable_path/..Frameworks/SDL.framework/Versions/A/SDL" (file not found)." |
| 22:12.21 | Flash | *@executable_path/../Frameworks |
| 22:15.14 | Flash | Tupone: I see that in my /Library I have an SDL from July 2007. Hmmmm |
| 22:15.17 | Tupone | Flash: I'm not a Mac guy. It seems SDLmain was not updated in our tree. I think You should use the one from libSDL or ask someone who own a Mac |
| 22:16.00 | JeffM | install windows ;) |
| 22:16.09 | Flash | ~lart JeffM |
| 22:16.09 | ibot | slaps JeffM upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 22:16.11 | Tupone | install linux |
| 22:16.24 | JeffM | ether one ;) |
| 22:16.49 | Flash | Actually, I have been wanting to get Solaris running on an old PC I have, but it's too small |
| 22:16.54 | JeffM | could just copy the real SDL main over the one in bz and see if that helps |
| 22:19.33 | Flash | I had a theory that if I just did a new autogen.sh it would get what it needs from the platform |
| 22:20.02 | Flash | except: Preparing build ... src/bzflag/Makefile.am:183: bad characters in variable name `' |
| 22:20.27 | Flash | now, I don't know anything about .am files or how autogen works, but there's some fishy stuff in there |
| 22:21.59 | Tupone | what is line 183? |
| 22:22.17 | Flash | in src/bzflag I see Makefile.am, Makefile.am.mine, Makefile.am.r16268, and Makefile.am.r16394 |
| 22:22.22 | Flash | line 183 is ================= |
| 22:22.34 | Tupone | you changed that file before ? |
| 22:23.03 | JeffM | you have a conflict |
| 22:23.48 | Flash | I don't remember changing it.... |
| 22:24.06 | Flash | how about if I just whack all the versions and resync with svn? |
| 22:24.18 | JeffM | the simplest thing to do |
| 22:24.19 | brlcad | svn revert src/bzflag/Makefile.am |
| 22:24.26 | JeffM | is that |
| 22:24.31 | JeffM | or throw them away and update again |
| 22:25.25 | JeffM | brlcad: so I can write off my new camera as an "expense" for the t-shirts? ;) |
| 22:25.27 | brlcad | boo yah.. think I found the crash-on-exit font manager badness |
| 22:25.37 | JeffM | very good |
| 22:27.04 | Flash | ok, my theory was wrong. I still have April 2007 SDLMain files in src/platform/MacOSX |
| 22:28.54 | Flash | Tupone: are you sending me on a rabbit trail? I don't see any files named SDLMain.h (outside my bzflag tree) |
| 22:29.09 | JeffM | sdl main is part of SDL |
| 22:29.16 | JeffM | it may be a sepreate download tho |
| 22:30.05 | Tupone | maybe you don't have the source. Maybe you just try to link with the SDL provided libraries |
| 22:30.55 | Flash | Aren't I already? |
| 22:31.36 | Tupone | you should link with 2 libraries. The libSDL.a and something called, IIRC, libSDLmain.a |
| 22:32.08 | Tupone | or get the updated source of SDLmain.m and use that |
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| 22:33.32 | Wyk3d | brlcad: about implementing global auth with a custom c++ daemon, i'd like to know if moving away from http is to be considered purely a design decision that should be followed, one that is backed up with solid arguments, or just one of many equivalent choices |
| 22:33.37 | Flash | SDLMain.m is platform-specific. Why do you think it's wrong? |
| 22:34.05 | brlcad | Wyk3d: "yes" |
| 22:34.22 | Wyk3d | hehe, which of the three ? :) |
| 22:35.21 | brlcad | there is a design in mind with reasonable arguments, but still just one of many choices that can be made |
| 22:35.45 | brlcad | it really depends on several factors |
| 22:37.04 | Tupone | Flash: SDLmain.m was a copy of the one coming from the SDL source tree. It was updated in the original source tree, in an incompatible way, so you should get the new source |
| 22:37.35 | Wyk3d | what exactly did you envision a custom daemon to do that would not be achievable via a web server |
| 22:37.36 | Wyk3d | ? |
| 22:37.42 | brlcad | i don't really care if it's http or not frankly, so long as it's not through apache -- and if it's not through apache then how is the daemon talking http correctly, and do we really want to get into the business of writing a web server if http were chosen (no matter how easy that is to get started) |
| 22:38.22 | brlcad | it's not a matter of features really -- its a communication pipe and could easily be justified as one of a dozen communication protocols |
| 22:38.31 | Wyk3d | "so long as it's not though apache" that's the statement i'd need a bit of detail on :) |
| 22:38.52 | brlcad | well you said you were talking about implementing a C++ daemon |
| 22:39.09 | brlcad | what does that have to do with apache? |
| 22:39.14 | Wyk3d | yes i wouldn't/couldn't do anything else really |
| 22:39.29 | Wyk3d | i just want to justify my choice and know that it's the best for the project |
| 22:40.28 | Wyk3d | i don't want to start working with people constantly telling me that what i'm doing is pointless |
| 22:40.34 | brlcad | there is a lot of complexity and maintenance burden to the approach in place now, something that would be great to get away from |
| 22:41.11 | brlcad | what we do with the client and server now is very lightweight and simple, one of several viable approaches to consider especially from a consistency standpoint |
| 22:41.11 | Flash | why not just use a PKI approach? Create a bzflag CA to sign all certificates and your global registration is licked |
| 22:41.44 | brlcad | Flash: who ever said we weren't considering a pki approach |
| 22:42.02 | Flash | well, no one, but it wasn't evident from the above ;-) |
| 22:42.06 | brlcad | the daemon has a hell of a lot more to do that just global reg, and that still doesn't give you the protocol |
| 22:42.58 | Wyk3d | "hell of a lot more to do", things that would not be easily solved with a web server i presume ? |
| 22:43.11 | brlcad | pki is something you do over a protocol, pki over http, pki over ssh, etc -- we're not talking about what we're doing on the line, we're talking about the line itself |
| 22:43.17 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16830 10/trunk/bzflag/ (include/cURLManager.h src/common/cURLManager.cxx): clean up after our curl multi_handle during the last curlmanager's destructor |
| 22:43.34 | brlcad | no, not really |
| 22:45.22 | Wyk3d | by that you mean, no a websever couldn't do all that ? |
| 22:45.30 | Flash | I'm not sure I follow you. ssh or https is pretty much the same, as far as being required to present valid credentials. The credentials provide unambiguous identification |
| 22:46.03 | brlcad | Wyk3d: of course it could do everything -- we could make any communication link work so long as we can send and recieve bits |
| 22:46.06 | brlcad | it's not a matter of can it |
| 22:46.14 | brlcad | it's a matter of what the benefits are and tradeoffs |
| 22:46.40 | Wyk3d | yes those are what are unclear to me :) |
| 22:46.44 | brlcad | if you really believe it's better for some cummulative set of reasons (including maintainability, performance, complexity, etc), then make that argument |
| 22:47.06 | brlcad | if they're unclear, then there are people who had thought of this that have a preference that you could go with |
| 22:49.22 | brlcad | i mean technically, there's nothing wrong with just using the old gopher protocol -- we could in fact make it work .. but there are plenty of tradeoffs that make it non-optimal |
| 22:55.25 | Wyk3d | you still haven't mentioned something like c++ is good versus http because .. -> some useful fact here <- .. but anyway, i have no problem with the decision so i don't want to argue it |
| 22:55.46 | Wyk3d | *apache not http |
| 22:57.06 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16831 10/trunk/bzflag/src/common/cURLManager.cxx: allow the multi_handle to be recreated if it's been cleaned up after already |
| 22:57.09 | brlcad | it's been mentioned before, just maybe not so directly this conversation -- apache is what we do now and the overall approach is outright cumbersome to maintain |
| 22:57.23 | brlcad | not just the phpbb aspect, but going through apache as well |
| 22:58.32 | brlcad | apache is in many ways also overkill for the features needed, it has a maintenance and upkeep burden, it has unnecessary performance demands on the server for our player/server load |
| 22:59.43 | brlcad | having authentication services in a different language than the rest of the codebase is yet another burden with regards to maintenance and upkeep |
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| 23:00.50 | Wyk3d | finally some exact information, thank you :) |
| 23:00.57 | brlcad | those are some of the reasons, any one of is arguably reason enough to consider a low-maintenance alternative but mostly because the current approach is not easily maintained |
| 23:02.02 | Wyk3d | now the only problem that still bothers me is AAA_awright's work which he based on the fact that the protocol would remain HTTP |
| 23:02.29 | brlcad | like I said -- this has all been said before too .. just have to hang around the channel long enough |
| 23:02.30 | Wyk3d | but that should be discussed with him present |
| 23:02.36 | Wyk3d | i did read the logs |
| 23:02.44 | brlcad | i mean over months |
| 23:02.56 | brlcad | years even |
| 23:03.08 | Wyk3d | :) |
| 23:03.45 | brlcad | aaa_awright's been told many of the same reasons but he's got his own personal preference as to why he thinks the problems we have aren't problems |
| 23:05.20 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16832 10/trunk/bzflag/src/common/PlayerState.cxx: initialize starting player Y velocity on the server |
| 23:05.30 | brlcad | especially an issue like this where it has very little to do with technical reasons, they are maintainability practical reasons |
| 23:07.30 | Flash | I finally got it to crash and leave me with a useable gdb session, but I don't know that it helps much: |
| 23:07.33 | Flash | http://flash.pastebin.ca/962678 |
| 23:07.34 | Wyk3d | ok, again thank you for clearing these things up :) |
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| 23:08.35 | JeffM | DTRemenak: you running windows or nix now? |
| 23:08.43 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16833 10/trunk/bzflag/include/PlayerInfo.h: getType is const |
| 23:09.24 | DTRemenak | JeffM: windows on this machine |
| 23:09.24 | JeffM | can you fire up a server that I can use to test the clock? |
| 23:09.33 | DTRemenak | sure |
| 23:09.39 | JeffM | thank |
| 23:10.07 | DTRemenak | JeffM: zalmoxis.swordofkahless.com:5000 |
| 23:14.21 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16834 10/trunk/bzflag/src/game/PlayerInfo.cxx: default player type to TankPlayer |
| 23:18.11 | JeffM | BOY howdy is that some clock drift! |
| 23:18.17 | JeffM | 4-7 seconds |
| 23:18.35 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:20.28 | blast007 | JeffM: yeah... ;) |
| 23:21.06 | JeffM | DTRemenak: I can dupe it localy, so it's ok |
| 23:21.15 | DTRemenak | k |
| 23:21.21 | JeffM | thanks |
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| 23:24.09 | jude- | hello all |
| 23:24.09 | blast007 | hi JeffM |
| 23:24.12 | blast007 | er, jude- |
| 23:24.14 | jude- | lol |
| 23:24.15 | Winny | hey jude-! |
| 23:24.16 | JeffM | heh |
| 23:24.25 | jude- | sorry for my absence this week--school resumed :( |
| 23:24.35 | Winny | blast007: aww, don't make JeffM feel unwanted ;) |
| 23:24.45 | jude- | ~hug JeffM |
| 23:24.46 | ibot | ACTION hugs JeffM |
| 23:24.52 | JeffM | I have my camera, I'm happy |
| 23:25.01 | Winny | :) |
| 23:25.48 | jude- | guys, my GSoC application is too long to fit in the Google application text field. Can I just put a link to it in the text field instead? |
| 23:26.04 | JeffM | hah |
| 23:26.09 | JeffM | sure |
| 23:26.12 | jude- | thanks :) |
| 23:26.19 | JeffM | tho I'd be nice to have some summary in there |
| 23:26.22 | jude- | sure |
| 23:26.24 | JeffM | then say that it won't fit |
| 23:26.30 | jude- | kk |
| 23:26.32 | whodaman | yay jude- |
| 23:26.35 | JeffM | what is the max? |
| 23:26.40 | jude- | 7200 words |
| 23:26.52 | Winny | holy crap |
| 23:26.55 | jude- | but I have some ASCII diagrams, so their components may count as words |
| 23:27.13 | JeffM | you could link to them |
| 23:27.25 | jude- | it's already at my.bzflag.org/w/User:Jude- |
| 23:28.17 | jude- | (except the biography part) |
| 23:28.17 | JeffM | DTRemenak: I don't think setProcessorAffinity is called for bzfs |
| 23:28.44 | DTRemenak | JeffM: it only is if you specify on the command line that you would like it to be |
| 23:28.59 | JeffM | ahh |
| 23:29.05 | JeffM | throws that out then |
| 23:29.18 | DTRemenak | should we be defaulting it? |
| 23:29.24 | JeffM | it's wierd, if I set the time message to always return the same value, the delta is nice and constnat. |
| 23:29.34 | blast007 | I ran it on a single core system, and still had the drift |
| 23:29.40 | JeffM | yet if I use the real server time it goes ALL over the place |
| 23:30.07 | DTRemenak | if you want to try binding it, use "-processor 1" |
| 23:30.37 | JeffM | right now I'm trying to see how seconds is computed |
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| 23:31.31 | Rope | ~bzfquery therocks.dyndns.org |
| 23:31.47 | spldart | Just svn up'd several minutes ago. http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m43b8503f |
| 23:31.58 | Winny | You know, there's a website for looking at server/player stats |
| 23:32.16 | Winny | Rope: http://my.bzflag.org/ |
| 23:32.36 | blast007 | Winny: he's probably testing his server |
| 23:32.46 | blast007 | well, possibly... |
| 23:32.56 | blast007 | guess there's is quite a few players on that one ;) |
| 23:33.48 | Rope | yes, I was testing... |
| 23:34.29 | Rope | How to not admit yello tank on a server? |
| 23:34.51 | Winny | don't include rogues in your -mp string |
| 23:35.36 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16835 10/trunk/bzflag/BUGS: maxPlayers is a lie. someone should fix it, as per the comments in the code. |
| 23:37.25 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16836 10/trunk/bzflag/include/Protocol.h: MsgGameSettings ain't that big anymore |
| 23:38.24 | DTRemenak | finds it oddly amusing that that doesn't break protocol |
| 23:38.49 | Winny | Yay, wordpress 2.5 is out! |
| 23:38.54 | spldart | okies vc8 built fine |
| 23:39.37 | Rope | Maximum number of players n, or max players per team n,n,n,n,n,n |
| 23:39.45 | Rope | ....wich is rouge? |
| 23:39.53 | pacman87 | first one |
| 23:40.08 | pacman87 | rogue, red, green, blue, purple, observer |
| 23:40.08 | Rope | ;) thans ;) |
| 23:40.36 | pacman87 | i should also say in the .conf file included with the bzflag install |
| 23:41.26 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16837 10/trunk/bzflag/src/game/NetHandler.cxx: ws |
| 23:42.17 | spldart | wow.. linux build is broken real bad 8-0 |
| 23:42.25 | spldart | :-) |
| 23:42.44 | JeffM | DTRemenak: defanatly something to do with the QPC, I replace the time comp with a simple call to GetTickCount/1000.0 and no drift |
| 23:42.56 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 23:43.07 | JeffM | do you know if there is anything special we have to do in app startup to get the QPC right? |
| 23:43.09 | DTRemenak | wonder what's up with it |
| 23:43.15 | JeffM | cus both client and server are using the same code |
| 23:43.15 | DTRemenak | I don't think so |
| 23:43.22 | JeffM | wierdness |
| 23:43.26 | DTRemenak | hmm |
| 23:43.36 | JeffM | I don't know much about the QPC |
| 23:44.28 | JeffM | hopes he didn't write it |
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