| 00:00.41 | JeffM | he would get a ring spun cotton athletic fit fashon shirt in "smoke" |
| 00:01.05 | JeffM | damn... and I did the math wrong, we save over 80$ |
| 00:02.31 | Winny | you can give us free shipping! ;) |
| 00:06.11 | JeffM | I wish I could |
| 00:06.36 | JeffM | sadly your shiping costs more then the shirt costs us |
| 00:08.26 | Constitution | this has been sitting around with just my comment; anyone care if I reject it? https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1851541&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 00:09.16 | JeffM | I'd actualy like to hide them by default |
| 00:09.21 | JeffM | observers and bots |
| 00:09.30 | JeffM | then links at the bottom to show them. |
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| 00:10.48 | Constitution | guessing we'll have to wait for 3.0 to discriminate between bots and real players like that? |
| 00:11.01 | JeffM | yeah probably |
| 00:11.06 | Constitution | maybe the whole system will be re-done as a GSoC project |
| 00:11.19 | JeffM | maybe |
| 00:12.33 | Constitution | so this patch probably doesn't help us anyway, as the whole behavior will have to be changed |
| 00:12.40 | Constitution | and we don't even know if we're getting a push system |
| 00:12.57 | JeffM | see there lies your core problem |
| 00:13.02 | JeffM | we don't get code |
| 00:13.04 | JeffM | we make code |
| 00:13.05 | JeffM | ;) |
| 00:13.21 | JeffM | if we want a push system, and an SOC student dosn't make it, we make it |
| 00:14.01 | Constitution | right... therefore I will reject this patch, as it's not what we want for our current system, and won't apply to the new? :) |
| 00:14.12 | JeffM | yeah it's proably good to reject it |
| 00:14.25 | JeffM | but I don't think it's a totaly flawed idea |
| 00:14.43 | Constitution | right, ok |
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| 00:42.44 | KTL | Thumper_, |
| 00:42.45 | KTL | euhm |
| 00:42.47 | KTL | cheater. |
| 00:42.56 | KTL | We should evacuate: 67.169.13.79 (c-67-169-13-79.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) udp+ |
| 00:43.06 | KTL | i dont have the rights to ban him properly i think |
| 00:43.11 | Winny | where? |
| 00:43.16 | KTL | badgerking |
| 00:43.26 | KTL | he changes ip i think |
| 00:43.50 | KTL | ow ca.comcast ... Winny didn't you mention banning all of those? |
| 00:45.16 | Winny | bah you beat me |
| 00:50.31 | KTL | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.41 | KTL | totally different ip |
| 00:51.05 | Winny | probably a RDP |
| 00:54.57 | think_tank | that's coogle |
| 00:55.04 | KTL | how to seet the talking only in bzadmin? |
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| 00:55.09 | KTL | see |
| 00:56.03 | KTL | or "how can i filter out all the game info" in bzadmin |
| 00:56.21 | think_tank | both of those ips are coogle |
| 00:57.24 | KTL | is that an isp or something? |
| 00:57.39 | think_tank | coogle is an infamous cheater |
| 00:57.47 | KTL | yet another one |
| 00:58.04 | think_tank | we gain them faster than we lose them |
| 00:58.39 | Winny | "<think_tank> coogle is an infamous cheater" heh, more like a pest |
| 00:58.47 | think_tank | cheating pest |
| 01:23.25 | KTL | how to see how the players on the playerlist are identified? _ + @ ? (in bzadmin) |
| 01:23.54 | whodaman- | dunno if you can |
| 01:27.10 | Thumper_ | KTL make your window bigger |
| 01:27.17 | Thumper_ | then F2 |
| 01:27.44 | KTL | again thanks |
| 01:28.01 | Thumper_ | hmmm works in 80 col mode now for me |
| 02:04.34 | Winny | whee, this looks odd |
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| 02:21.13 | Winny | oi.. this PSD is 260mb :/ |
| 02:21.25 | whodaman- | mine is 1.2mb! |
| 02:21.32 | Winny | hehe |
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| 02:56.51 | Winny | brlcad: did you ever get a chance to install drupal? |
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| 03:28.01 | spldart | There's still no tutorial on building bzflag on windows boxen is there? |
| 03:28.21 | JeffM | the readme isn't enough? |
| 03:28.38 | spldart | my bad.... lemme see how far that gets me |
| 03:28.49 | JeffM | it's usualy prety easy |
| 03:28.55 | JeffM | branch or trunk? |
| 03:29.13 | AHA | http://links-clan.net/old/howto_compilebzflag.php -> not written in english well, but it is a start |
| 03:30.17 | spldart | trunk in this case |
| 03:30.32 | JeffM | vc 7 or 8? |
| 03:30.46 | spldart | Haven't got a VC installed yet... |
| 03:30.51 | JeffM | ahh |
| 03:31.01 | JeffM | you have 7, 8 or 9? |
| 03:31.16 | spldart | I'd have to sift through my file server to see what I have |
| 03:31.27 | JeffM | 8 is the simplest |
| 03:31.38 | spldart | I assume these are payed for or are they free from MS |
| 03:31.56 | JeffM | how did you get them? |
| 03:32.23 | JeffM | and do they say "express edition"? |
| 03:32.32 | spldart | I seem to remember downloading some visual version from MS... yeah.. prolly express |
| 03:33.13 | JeffM | if its' VC8 you need the platform SDK and dreict X april 2007 |
| 03:33.54 | JeffM | if it's 9, you just need the direct X |
| 03:36.56 | spldart | hrm visual express 2k5 |
| 03:37.48 | JeffM | VC8 |
| 03:38.17 | JeffM | then the links in the readme are right |
| 03:39.49 | spldart | Have direct x 9c |
| 03:39.55 | JeffM | install those, set the paths up and then hit F5 |
| 03:40.05 | JeffM | you proably have the run times |
| 03:40.08 | JeffM | not the SDK |
| 03:40.18 | JeffM | and it has to be from april 2007 |
| 03:42.30 | spldart | How can I verify or specify the apr 2k7 directx? |
| 03:43.02 | JeffM | the link in the readme is to the april one |
| 03:43.14 | spldart | Oh.. |
| 03:43.34 | spldart | okies... I'm getting the sdk now and I need to get a nice windoze subversion proggie |
| 03:43.58 | AHA | tortoise svn is nice |
| 03:44.19 | spldart | I'm there now... |
| 03:44.19 | AHA | the command-line one works fine too |
| 03:44.27 | JeffM | spldart, tort is great |
| 03:44.53 | JeffM | our svn page on the wiki has the deal |
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| 06:04.06 | brlcad | I'm fine with just about any amount |
| 06:12.19 | JeffM | yeah but how much do you want your shirt? |
| 06:12.26 | JeffM | is it worth 100$? |
| 06:16.45 | brlcad | answering two different questions there |
| 06:16.57 | brlcad | I don't mind if you have to modify it |
| 06:17.04 | brlcad | and I am willing to spend whatever it takes |
| 06:17.10 | brlcad | (for the order) |
| 06:17.35 | brlcad | or if that was the same question, then .. I misunderstand :) |
| 06:17.40 | brlcad | what's the issue? |
| 06:17.55 | JeffM | the cheaper place, does not have YOUR shirt |
| 06:18.05 | JeffM | all other aspects are the same |
| 06:18.12 | JeffM | except it is 80$ cheaper |
| 06:18.17 | brlcad | place? |
| 06:18.20 | JeffM | and signifigantly cheaper per shirt |
| 06:18.23 | JeffM | I found another printer |
| 06:18.25 | brlcad | thought it was all through some dude |
| 06:18.26 | brlcad | ahh |
| 06:18.29 | JeffM | no |
| 06:18.44 | brlcad | are the shirts any better or the same or? |
| 06:18.54 | JeffM | all of the items other then yours are identical |
| 06:19.09 | JeffM | just on the order of 2$ cheaper per, on the regular shirts |
| 06:19.18 | brlcad | did they have anything similar? a polycotton sheer anything? |
| 06:19.58 | JeffM | they have a ring knit "ultra smooth" lightweight fassion shirt of a similar cut |
| 06:20.35 | JeffM | basicly going with the cheaper ones I can lower the end user cost of each shirt by a buck as well |
| 06:21.14 | JeffM | http://www.logodogzprintz.com/productdisplay.asp?productID=61 |
| 06:21.55 | JeffM | I have an e-mail into the first guy to get a real quote, just in case my calcs are wrong |
| 06:22.22 | JeffM | the price from logodogz ( the cheaper place ) comes from there online store that seems to be very accurate. |
| 06:28.15 | brlcad | that shirt looks fine |
| 06:28.33 | JeffM | then you get a free regular one |
| 06:29.30 | JeffM | I did find a cheaper way to ship hoodies too :) |
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| 06:31.20 | JeffM | any particular colors you like? |
| 06:31.55 | JeffM | http://www.logodogzprintz.com/productdisplay.asp?productID=23 |
| 06:32.01 | JeffM | fifty two colors ;) |
| 06:33.22 | JeffM | yeah the nicer shirt has less colors |
| 06:33.31 | JeffM | I have that slated as "smoke" for you |
| 06:33.51 | JeffM | but since these are cheaper, you've paid too much already so I figure thow in a regular one for ya too |
| 06:33.53 | brlcad | smoke or city green .. hard to tell from the site |
| 06:34.04 | brlcad | probably city green |
| 06:34.07 | JeffM | k |
| 06:34.27 | JeffM | you want a regular one too? |
| 06:34.41 | JeffM | or one of each |
| 06:36.27 | JeffM | basicly the price I had on the preorder page was based on the estimate from the other guy and it was a lot higher |
| 06:36.50 | JeffM | I thought it may also look good in chocholate |
| 06:36.50 | brlcad | dunno, what else is being ordered? |
| 06:37.08 | JeffM | looks like lots of charcoal |
| 06:37.13 | JeffM | but I can do one offs |
| 06:37.16 | JeffM | no extra charge |
| 06:37.29 | JeffM | as long as I have 24 items or more that use the same artwork |
| 06:37.46 | JeffM | we can do more the one of the 61s too for you |
| 06:38.28 | JeffM | The google spredsheet I sent you an invite too has the exact quantities of what I have planed |
| 06:38.36 | brlcad | k |
| 06:39.34 | JeffM | I did have to change my color choice, they do not offer the "steel green", but a "Serene Green", so I picked "Oceana" instead to see what it would look like. |
| 06:40.00 | JeffM | with this order we are getting at least one each of the propsoed colors, so we can see them. |
| 06:40.23 | brlcad | no product id on the sheet... |
| 06:41.05 | JeffM | the Gildan 2000 ones are these http://www.logodogzprintz.com/productdisplay.asp?productID=23 |
| 06:41.23 | JeffM | and the AnVI 980 is these http://www.logodogzprintz.com/productdisplay.asp?productID=61 |
| 06:41.24 | JBdiGriz | JeffM: What sizes and colors are available? |
| 06:41.35 | JeffM | JBdiGriz: sizes from small to XXL |
| 06:41.48 | JeffM | colors black, or forest green were proposed |
| 06:42.00 | JeffM | but I can also do navy, gray, and some others |
| 06:42.04 | JeffM | let me get a link |
| 06:42.23 | JBdiGriz | Medium |
| 06:42.35 | JeffM | for the pull over, it is this |
| 06:42.36 | JeffM | http://www.logodogzprintz.com/productdisplay.asp?productID=355 |
| 06:42.56 | JeffM | for the full zip, it is this. http://www.logodogzprintz.com/productdisplay.asp?productID=350 |
| 06:44.09 | JBdiGriz | That's a nice looking blue. What was the final color decision on the screen? |
| 06:44.17 | JeffM | one sec |
| 06:44.32 | JeffM | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=12376 |
| 06:44.46 | JeffM | large logo on the back, small icon and URL on the front |
| 06:46.13 | JBdiGriz | Pullover, Indigo Blue, Medium. When do you want the check? |
| 06:46.44 | JeffM | I have a prepay site setup on the store |
| 06:46.58 | JeffM | once I am sure of the order and the final price I'll let you know and you can just order the shirt |
| 06:47.06 | JeffM | I have to adust the shiping costs |
| 06:47.11 | JeffM | or do you want to come and get it? |
| 06:47.31 | JeffM | shiping is only 4.65 if I can get it right |
| 06:47.37 | JBdiGriz | Sounds fair. I think we should have a beer night in LA. |
| 06:47.42 | JeffM | heh ok |
| 06:48.17 | JeffM | tho I am very happy that I can fit a hoodie into a tyvec bag, that means I can ship them to europe for 11$ instead of 35$ |
| 06:48.25 | JBdiGriz | My wife and daughter will be up there next week, checking out UCSB. |
| 06:48.35 | JeffM | we will not have them that fast |
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| 06:48.56 | JeffM | the order won't be placed till monday at the latest, probably tuesday. |
| 06:49.01 | JeffM | then 2 days for art aproval |
| 06:49.06 | JeffM | 5 days for production |
| 06:49.09 | JeffM | then 5 more for shiping |
| 06:49.28 | JBdiGriz | Somewhere around April Fools Day... |
| 06:49.33 | JeffM | maybe |
| 06:50.13 | JeffM | I'm hoping our art time is less since saturos has done most of the work for them |
| 06:51.00 | JeffM | the end cost of the hoodie for you will be 27$ |
| 06:51.12 | JeffM | that way we don't eat the fees from paypal |
| 06:51.19 | JBdiGriz | A little less than what I was expecting. |
| 06:51.26 | JeffM | trying to keep it low |
| 06:51.41 | JBdiGriz | The art looks like it is camera ready, so that should go quickly. |
| 06:51.57 | JeffM | yeah it is already seperated into proper ink layers and everything |
| 06:52.12 | JeffM | it looks like I can get the shirts down to 12$ a pop too |
| 06:52.15 | JeffM | that should help them sell |
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| 06:55.18 | JeffM | I don't think the other printer can beat the new price I found, but we'll see when he gets back to me |
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| 07:02.24 | JeffM | donny_baker: you wanted the military green one? |
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| 08:40.15 | Saturos | Winny: are you there? |
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| 08:58.11 | tarco | dj are you there |
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| 08:59.42 | tarco | hey |
| 09:00.14 | tarco | i can't pm you |
| 09:00.28 | daniel_jackson | why? |
| 09:00.39 | tarco | Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg ) |
| 09:00.58 | daniel_jackson | let me setup a room |
| 09:01.03 | tarco | ok |
| 09:01.16 | daniel_jackson | join #bzgate |
| 09:01.23 | tarco | ok |
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| 09:08.18 | ruskie | or just register : |
| 09:08.19 | ruskie | :) |
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| 10:36.43 | benji_13 | hiya! |
| 10:41.00 | benji_13 | ugh, noone here? |
| 10:41.08 | benji_13 | many on, many afk it seems |
| 10:41.39 | Upsetter | benji_13: not all of us are afk ;) |
| 10:41.55 | benji_13 | tyfi :P |
| 10:48.02 | ts | benji_13: lots of americans here, they're all asleep ;) |
| 10:48.20 | benji_13 | oh, right |
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| 11:08.20 | jftsang | hi, I've merged http://my.bzflag.org/wiki/index.php?title=BZFlag_Version_Numbers with http://my.bzflag.org/w/Versions |
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| 13:18.52 | randomparticle | for clock synchronization, outward and inward lag are assumed to be equal? |
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| 14:05.10 | Qhestion | any global admins here? |
| 14:05.16 | Qhestion | we got a problem on 06.bztank.net |
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| 14:05.35 | ruskie | there are no global admins |
| 14:05.41 | Qhestion | no? oh well |
| 14:05.47 | Qhestion | any admins for 06.bztank.net |
| 14:06.05 | Qhestion | there is a player named "Speek again??", he joined some bots |
| 14:06.12 | Qhestion | and he refuses to take them offline |
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| 14:06.26 | Qhestion | since there are nearly more bots than players on the server, we cant ban him |
| 14:06.47 | Qhestion | we always get "4 for, 0 oppose, 4 abstain" |
| 14:07.03 | ruskie | I can join to skew the vote |
| 14:07.12 | Qhestion | no you cant |
| 14:07.15 | Qhestion | server is full ^^ |
| 14:07.17 | Qhestion | full of bots |
| 14:07.51 | Qhestion | oh observer |
| 14:07.58 | Qhestion | right, please do so |
| 14:08.01 | Qhestion | i will be there too |
| 14:08.10 | red-der | is there something discussed about the incoming-map in the last 30 minutes? |
| 14:08.28 | Qhestion | oh, looks like bots are gone |
| 14:08.33 | Qhestion | thanks for offering to help |
| 14:08.46 | Qhestion | dunno who did it, but we were trying to get of them since 30 minutes |
| 14:08.49 | Qhestion | thanks |
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| 14:09.23 | ruskie | red-der, yeah... something along that way :) |
| 14:09.39 | red-der | there is some cruel admin or wannabee there |
| 14:10.24 | red-der | dont know if he is a real admin there (no @ before the name) but gave some irritating orders |
| 14:13.24 | Marzipan | cruel admin here |
| 14:13.43 | Marzipan | ^^ oh my fault :-| |
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| 14:49.10 | Winny | Saturos: hi |
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| 16:35.37 | Saturos | JeffM: got an answer yet? |
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| 16:35.49 | JeffM | there were "complications" |
| 16:36.07 | Saturos | with sending the mail or with the image? |
| 16:37.13 | donny_baker | JeffM: got my CD yesterday (just checked the mail)... shipped just fine |
| 16:37.40 | Winny | that was quick |
| 16:37.53 | JeffM | Saturos: with nether |
| 16:37.59 | JeffM | the artwork is fine |
| 16:38.11 | donny_baker | Yes, it was. Especially from California |
| 16:38.14 | JeffM | the problem is with the printer I found |
| 16:38.29 | JeffM | donny_baker: priority mail 2-3 days ;) glad it got there ok |
| 16:38.46 | JeffM | Saturos: I found another printer that is signifigantly cheaper, and faster |
| 16:38.57 | Saturos | ah, ok |
| 16:39.07 | JeffM | and seems to be a lot more profesional |
| 16:39.45 | Saturos | I'll be gone for an hour or two |
| 16:39.48 | Saturos | bbl |
| 16:40.10 | JeffM | ok |
| 16:40.31 | JeffM | I did get a quote and e-mail back from the first printer, and my math was sligtly wrong |
| 16:40.45 | JeffM | instead of being close to 80$ cheaper, it's only like 77$ cheaper |
| 16:41.43 | donny_baker | :P |
| 16:41.48 | JeffM | yeah |
| 16:42.05 | Winny | Ill send you the three dollars :p |
| 16:42.10 | JeffM | the other printer has a 2 week turnaround time not counting shiping |
| 16:42.26 | JeffM | the cheaper one has a 5 day turn around time |
| 16:47.54 | donny_baker | JeffM: I said I would take an olive if you wanted to see what it looked like |
| 16:48.05 | JeffM | ok olive that was it |
| 16:48.20 | ts | JeffM: What payment methods will be allowed? |
| 16:48.24 | JeffM | I'm marking them on my spredsheet so I know who they can go to |
| 16:48.27 | JeffM | ts: paypal |
| 16:48.32 | donny_baker | that and a charcoal... or whatever the "default" color will be |
| 16:48.44 | ts | Only paypal? |
| 16:49.03 | JeffM | ts: for now yes, we don't realy have the banking setup to do much else |
| 16:49.17 | JeffM | since I am trying to keep this seperate from my personal finances |
| 16:49.29 | JeffM | what did you want to use? |
| 16:49.42 | ts | I don't know how it's called in english |
| 16:50.08 | JeffM | a check? |
| 16:50.11 | ts | Basically when I buy something they send it to me and I pay it to the one delivering, then that goes back to the original seller |
| 16:50.19 | ruskie | pay on delivery |
| 16:50.22 | JeffM | oh Cash On delivery |
| 16:50.23 | JeffM | COD |
| 16:50.26 | JeffM | nope, No COD |
| 16:50.34 | JeffM | way to risks on an international shipment |
| 16:51.21 | ts | Well, that way I make sure I pay for something that doesn't get lost. |
| 16:51.24 | JeffM | I can't imagine many people do that still. |
| 16:51.35 | JeffM | trust, have some ;) |
| 16:51.37 | ts | It's popular in Germany |
| 16:51.42 | ruskie | same here |
| 16:51.42 | JeffM | but no. I can not do CoD |
| 16:51.44 | ruskie | in slovenia |
| 16:51.47 | AHA | usually its the other way around, where you pay then they ship |
| 16:52.00 | blast007 | AHA: at least here :P |
| 16:52.07 | blast007 | the world is a big place |
| 16:52.07 | AHA | heh |
| 16:52.12 | AHA | my bias is showing |
| 16:52.24 | ruskie | but basicaly how those work is: delivery service pays the shipper and then the delivery service get's the money from the punter |
| 16:52.24 | ts | Lot of things tend to be different in different countries |
| 16:52.54 | JeffM | ts: saturos is geting a shipment, you can see how that goes and make your choice later |
| 16:52.56 | JeffM | if you so wish |
| 16:53.00 | ts | Like when I order something online and get it, I can send it back within 14 days without naming any reason. |
| 16:53.06 | ruskie | JeffM, I'll be taking an xxxl :) |
| 16:53.18 | JeffM | ruskie: ok, I have 3 slated to be printed. |
| 16:53.26 | ts | as long I didn't used it |
| 16:53.38 | ts | didn't use, even |
| 16:53.39 | ruskie | the guy said he can do the payment... |
| 16:53.48 | ruskie | but will the store know where to send? |
| 16:54.04 | JeffM | ts: you can do that here many times as well, but please remember that I am not a large retail corporation, but just a guy |
| 16:54.06 | ruskie | since it's indirect? |
| 16:54.22 | JeffM | if you want a shirt you may have to compromise just a bit |
| 16:54.44 | ts | JeffM: I'm not planning to do so, just mentioning I have that right in my country, other countries don't gice people that right. |
| 16:54.50 | ts | give* |
| 16:54.59 | JeffM | I was meaning on the payment thing |
| 16:55.11 | ts | ah, that |
| 17:02.04 | JeffM | does stuff get lost in the mail there a lot? |
| 17:03.52 | ts | Do you mean here? |
| 17:04.00 | JeffM | yes |
| 17:04.35 | ts | Well, I haven't heard of it..I'll just tend to keep my bank data "secret" |
| 17:05.36 | SpazzyMcGee | JeffM, would you accept a cheque? I'm a year too young to have a PayPal account. |
| 17:05.49 | SpazzyMcGee | I guess I could use somebody else's |
| 17:06.37 | JeffM | SpazzyMcGee: paypal is easiest, but yeah if you have a parent or a sibling that can do that would be best. otherwise, we can see. it'd just take a lot longer. since I would have to cash it |
| 17:07.13 | JeffM | no boxes |
| 17:07.25 | JeffM | I'm haven enough trouble with boxes to YOU in the first place |
| 17:07.28 | JeffM | stupid customs forms |
| 17:09.49 | ruskie | JeffM, does the store diff between payee address and delivery address ? |
| 17:10.12 | JeffM | ruskie: it can. |
| 17:10.28 | ruskie | ok |
| 17:10.29 | JeffM | just please make a note of it in the comments section and I'll be sure it goes to the correct place |
| 17:10.36 | ruskie | k |
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| 17:14.37 | Winny | you should ship the CDs in giant boxes ;) |
| 17:14.58 | SpazzyMcGee | JeffM: sorry, I crashed after my last message |
| 17:14.58 | JeffM | actualy USPS offers a "digital media mailer" |
| 17:14.59 | JeffM | I'm getting some |
| 17:16.03 | JeffM | I shiped donny_baker's in a plastic bubble mailer, it seemdd to have worked ok |
| 17:16.20 | JeffM | <JeffM> SpazzyMcGee: paypal is easiest, but yeah if you have a parent or a sibling that can do that would be best. otherwise, we can see. it'd just take a lot longer. since I would have to cash it |
| 17:18.34 | SpazzyMcGee | OK |
| 17:19.00 | JeffM | noone in your house has paypal? |
| 17:19.19 | SpazzyMcGee | I expect my dad does. |
| 17:19.44 | JeffM | and would he order for you? |
| 17:20.11 | SpazzyMcGee | Probably, or at least I'd order in his name. |
| 17:20.35 | JeffM | if it comes in via paypal it's a LOT easier for me |
| 17:20.39 | JeffM | cus then it's all tracked |
| 17:21.23 | SpazzyMcGee | That's fair enough. |
| 17:21.44 | JeffM | paypal even handles the shiping labels for me, so it's kinda all integrated |
| 17:21.55 | JeffM | basicly the more it stays in paypal, the less chance of errors |
| 17:22.07 | SpazzyMcGee | sure |
| 17:23.51 | SpazzyMcGee | I start driving next month :D |
| 17:24.12 | Winny | What's the age there? |
| 17:24.26 | SpazzyMcGee | 17 |
| 17:24.30 | Winny | ick |
| 17:24.37 | SpazzyMcGee | But I put it off until we moved house |
| 17:25.13 | SpazzyMcGee | Winny: Is it 16 where you are? |
| 17:25.18 | Winny | yeah |
| 17:25.50 | SpazzyMcGee | You can have a moped or quadbike <100cc when you're 16 |
| 17:27.48 | ts | grr..paypal is so crazy, they don't even have a description of all ways to pay. |
| 17:33.22 | spldart | wow.. 16 for class C here |
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| 18:09.30 | JeffM | hmmm now who wanted the mil green and the navy shirt? |
| 18:10.35 | Winny | on the poll? |
| 18:10.38 | JeffM | no |
| 18:10.50 | JeffM | someone here said they'd buy a navy and a mil green |
| 18:11.05 | JeffM | was it you that said you'd buy a navy shirt? |
| 18:11.17 | ruskie | <-- generaly likes green but has no clue what mil green looks like :) |
| 18:11.54 | JeffM | what color is the uniform of your guys in the army there? |
| 18:12.14 | JeffM | http://www.logodogzprintz.com/productdisplay.asp?productID=23 |
| 18:12.18 | JeffM | military green |
| 18:12.20 | ruskie | camo patterned green/grey/etc... |
| 18:12.34 | ruskie | with some dark green and some light green |
| 18:12.40 | ruskie | as in how the terain around here generaly is |
| 18:13.24 | JeffM | I'm getting a pine and an Oceana for me just to see how they look |
| 18:13.29 | ruskie | hmm mil green also available in 3xl ? |
| 18:13.38 | JeffM | no |
| 18:13.46 | JeffM | not all colors are in 3x |
| 18:13.59 | ruskie | ohh well then I'll stick to the one that is said to... :) |
| 18:14.06 | ruskie | charcoal... :) |
| 18:14.11 | JeffM | k |
| 18:15.04 | ruskie | hmm need to pick one puffy shirt as well... |
| 18:15.38 | ruskie | but that can wait till next month... |
| 18:15.47 | JeffM | puffy? |
| 18:15.52 | ruskie | openbsd :) |
| 18:15.58 | JeffM | ahh |
| 18:16.14 | ruskie | <-- is happy he finnaly has some funds for such things... |
| 18:16.30 | ruskie | though I'll probably need to limit to 20eur/month for such... |
| 18:17.05 | Winny | that's like 1000 american dollars ;) |
| 18:18.10 | ruskie | I've been spending ~300eur/month for the last 4 months on various stuff |
| 18:18.28 | JeffM | our shirts will end up being like 15.5 euros, shiped |
| 18:18.29 | ruskie | ups, eeepc, tons of usb gadgets and other bits and pieces |
| 18:18.39 | ruskie | how about the cd? |
| 18:18.58 | JeffM | under 10 |
| 18:19.04 | JeffM | the shiping is what kills ya |
| 18:19.10 | JeffM | 11$ |
| 18:19.13 | ruskie | yeah... |
| 18:19.37 | JeffM | tho if you get a CD when you order the shirt, they can go in the same package |
| 18:19.46 | ruskie | yup |
| 18:19.46 | ruskie | that's how I plan to |
| 18:20.05 | JeffM | the CDs are just over 3 euros |
| 18:20.21 | JeffM | Winny: it wasn't you that wanted a navy shirt? |
| 18:20.25 | ruskie | so 20 eur should cover it all and a bit extra for the proxy I guess :) |
| 18:20.44 | Winny | JeffM: no, I was gonna do either mil. or charcoal |
| 18:20.51 | JeffM | ahh |
| 18:20.54 | Winny | but I think Ill go with charcoal |
| 18:20.55 | JeffM | do you want the mil? |
| 18:20.56 | JeffM | damn |
| 18:20.57 | JeffM | ok |
| 18:20.58 | Winny | hmm |
| 18:20.58 | Winny | well |
| 18:21.03 | Winny | actually, ok, mil |
| 18:21.04 | JeffM | get what you want |
| 18:21.12 | JeffM | don't have me pressure you |
| 18:21.20 | Winny | doesn't matter, they're both the same in my books |
| 18:21.23 | JeffM | I mean you are an XL right? |
| 18:21.27 | Winny | yeah |
| 18:21.41 | JeffM | then if you don't want the militay green one I can buy it if noone else does |
| 18:21.55 | Winny | Are you planning on ordering 2? |
| 18:22.02 | JeffM | no |
| 18:22.03 | JeffM | just one |
| 18:22.09 | JeffM | but i'll take pictures |
| 18:22.13 | JeffM | so you can say |
| 18:22.27 | JeffM | there will be plenty charcoals |
| 18:22.31 | JeffM | getting 10 of those |
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| 18:22.48 | JeffM | but I'm trying to get one of the other colors to see how they look, and take pictures |
| 18:22.51 | ruskie | since not all colours are available in all sizes :) |
| 18:23.00 | Winny | JeffM: Ill go with mil then |
| 18:23.04 | JeffM | ok |
| 18:23.17 | JeffM | now I thought someone wanted a navy one |
| 18:23.21 | JeffM | maybe I was wrong |
| 18:23.41 | JeffM | oh well, back to charcoal it goes |
| 18:24.16 | JeffM | yeah, I thought someone else besides him |
| 18:24.22 | JeffM | someone in an XL |
| 18:24.23 | SpazzyMcGee | I said navy, but I'm going to wait for the second batch |
| 18:24.26 | JeffM | ok |
| 18:24.42 | ruskie | what's so special about the second batch? |
| 18:24.43 | JeffM | well we'll have pictures of them all after we get them, so we can see |
| 18:24.57 | JeffM | ruskie: I'll probalby change colors, and maybe do more then one design |
| 18:25.03 | JeffM | depends on how popular they are |
| 18:25.05 | ruskie | ahh |
| 18:25.05 | ts | I do want a blue one..but paypal seems to suck |
| 18:25.19 | JeffM | ts: what size? |
| 18:25.36 | ts | L..but I fear I can't go the paypal way |
| 18:25.51 | ruskie | ts, do like I did.. find someone who has paypal and is willing to buy for you |
| 18:26.18 | JeffM | I'll print up a large navy, if you can't for some reason I can probalby sell it |
| 18:26.32 | ts | ruskie: hehe, I guess I'll bug saturos first ;) |
| 18:27.05 | ruskie | ts, I bugged one other viper cop :) though haven't seen him around for a while... |
| 18:27.46 | JeffM | ok, only thing I need left is L4m3r's size and color |
| 18:27.54 | JeffM | cus he wants a zippered hoodie |
| 18:28.01 | L4m3r | black, XL :) |
| 18:28.08 | JeffM | and zippered right? |
| 18:28.11 | L4m3r | ya |
| 18:28.23 | JeffM | did you want to see the exact color list? |
| 18:28.24 | L4m3r | let me know how much I owe ya so I can dump it into paypal |
| 18:28.27 | JeffM | since the printer changed? |
| 18:28.35 | L4m3r | oh, sure |
| 18:28.50 | JeffM | http://www.logodogzprintz.com/productdisplay.asp?productID=350 |
| 18:28.51 | L4m3r | is it the same tee, or do I need to look at the sizing chart again? |
| 18:29.00 | JeffM | it is 50/50 so it may shirink some |
| 18:29.00 | L4m3r | er, same hoodie |
| 18:29.06 | JeffM | that page has a size chart |
| 18:29.53 | JeffM | I wonder order till at least monday, I just want to have it all setup |
| 18:30.00 | ruskie | hmm interesting... so the charcoal is now $13... wasn't it pricery before? |
| 18:30.00 | ts | JeffM: That link is redirected to http://www.logodogzprintz.com/ipbanned.asp for me |
| 18:30.05 | ruskie | ts, same here |
| 18:30.08 | JeffM | yeah some people have goten that |
| 18:30.13 | JeffM | hit the main URL |
| 18:30.23 | JeffM | then sweats |
| 18:30.24 | ts | same |
| 18:30.36 | ruskie | also same :) |
| 18:30.39 | JeffM | then someone in your country has been BAD |
| 18:30.43 | JeffM | go beat them up |
| 18:30.47 | ruskie | lol... |
| 18:30.55 | JeffM | for the shirts, the size chart on the store is accurate |
| 18:30.56 | ruskie | in my case it's probably due to tor... |
| 18:31.00 | ruskie | ok |
| 18:31.04 | JeffM | well stop using tor |
| 18:31.10 | ts | I'm not using TOR |
| 18:31.18 | ts | Direct connection. |
| 18:31.27 | JeffM | then someone on your ISP was bad ;) |
| 18:31.34 | L4m3r | well, my current hoodie is just a tad smaller than their XL, probably due to shrinkage, so it's perfect :) |
| 18:31.54 | JeffM | and you want black? |
| 18:31.58 | L4m3r | yup |
| 18:31.59 | JeffM | the navy could look good |
| 18:32.00 | JeffM | ok |
| 18:32.07 | ruskie | hmm what's the shrinkage on the shirt? |
| 18:32.21 | JeffM | the shirt is 100% preshrunk cotton |
| 18:32.25 | JeffM | it should not shirnk much |
| 18:32.26 | ruskie | ahh |
| 18:32.35 | JeffM | the hoodie is 50% polyester |
| 18:32.37 | ts | JeffM: I guess I'll just wait..all 4 numbers change for me once in a while |
| 18:32.39 | JeffM | shirnks more |
| 18:32.46 | donny_baker | well... i see we sold an item to someone other than me :) I was order 5 and 7 :) |
| 18:32.52 | ruskie | well it's 2cm wider than my usual wear so I have some backup there |
| 18:32.55 | JeffM | ts: unless you are going to order a hoodie, you don't realy need the site ;) |
| 18:33.43 | JeffM | donny_baker: ahh you want a hoodie too |
| 18:33.44 | Winny | JeffM, when should we prepay for the hoodies? |
| 18:33.57 | JeffM | Winny: any time now if you want |
| 18:34.00 | Winny | k |
| 18:34.02 | donny_baker | when you order it.. I just did |
| 18:34.02 | L4m3r | be sure to keep some extra shirts around for the gsoc students :) |
| 18:34.15 | JeffM | L4m3r: I think we'll sell out before we even pick students |
| 18:34.20 | L4m3r | heh |
| 18:34.21 | ruskie | :) |
| 18:35.06 | JeffM | but we can and will order more |
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| 18:35.59 | JeffM | donny_baker: are you going to order a shirt too? |
| 18:36.20 | JeffM | cus if so you can help me test my pre-order shipping plan :) |
| 18:36.40 | donny_baker | JeffM: you shooting for having shirts and the like by the 31st |
| 18:37.00 | donny_baker | JeffM: 2 shirts charcoal and olive |
| 18:37.49 | JeffM | hmmm.. dunno if I can shove 2 shirts into the bag with the hoodie, I'll try |
| 18:37.51 | JeffM | donny_baker: yeah |
| 18:37.58 | JeffM | order monday or tuesday |
| 18:38.03 | JeffM | 2 days for art |
| 18:38.07 | JeffM | 5 days printing |
| 18:38.10 | JeffM | 5 days shiping |
| 18:38.24 | JeffM | then a day for photographing and packing |
| 18:38.25 | donny_baker | JeffM: if it works super, if not the shipping aint that bad |
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| 18:39.04 | JeffM | donny_baker: yeah, but I was just trying to see if I could send the people that pre-ordered and who were going to order shirts later, a store credit for the shiping on the shirt |
| 18:39.15 | JeffM | then they could use that when they order shirts and I will combine shipping |
| 18:40.00 | Winny | they're that stinky? |
| 18:40.02 | donny_baker | ah... ill just pay the extra shipping, it won't kill me |
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| 18:41.17 | JeffM | yeah it'd only be 5$ |
| 18:41.22 | JeffM | but it may fit in the box |
| 18:41.24 | JeffM | I can check |
| 18:41.49 | JeffM | the tyvec bag is great, I think I can fit a full 4 shirts in it for one shipping pirce |
| 18:46.32 | Winny | a hoodie a shirt and a CD? :) |
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| 18:50.59 | JeffM | yay 4 shirts do fit :) |
| 18:51.24 | JeffM | too bad I can't use them for internationals :( |
| 18:51.30 | Winny | ack :p |
| 18:52.07 | JeffM | Winny: well the hoodies are special, I have to put them in a box, so a shirt and a CD will fit in there for you |
| 18:52.27 | JeffM | does mean I have to do a customs form :( |
| 18:52.34 | Winny | ah, ok. I wasn;t clear before if just a hoodie fit in a box, or if everything fit in there |
| 18:52.56 | JeffM | I belive the hoodie, a shirt, and a cd will fit fine in the hoodie box |
| 18:53.04 | ruskie | hmm nice openbsd has a local distributor for their stuff... |
| 18:53.09 | JeffM | so that 27$ will get them all for you |
| 18:53.12 | Winny | yay |
| 18:54.21 | JeffM | Winny: basicly after you prepay for the hoodie, and before I open up the store for regular shirt sales, I will send you a store credit for the 9$ that they would charge you for shipping when you order the shirt and the CD. then I'll jut pack it all together. |
| 18:55.14 | Winny | ok |
| 18:55.45 | JeffM | I was trying to see if I could do a "free shipping" coupon, but I can't :( |
| 18:58.28 | Winny | ack, I get that stupid ipbanned thing too |
| 18:59.02 | Winny | there we go |
| 18:59.35 | Winny | argh.. can't even get to the size chart with a proxy |
| 19:00.31 | Winny | I wonder if they dis-allow non american customers? |
| 19:00.37 | JeffM | they may |
| 19:00.41 | ruskie | lol |
| 19:00.42 | JeffM | the prices are so cheap |
| 19:00.50 | JeffM | and they only do domestic shipping |
| 19:01.05 | JeffM | they arn't meant for individual customers |
| 19:01.25 | Winny | JeffM, could you take a screenshot of the hoodie size chart? |
| 19:01.34 | Winny | I just want to make sure I don't end up buying a tent |
| 19:01.40 | JeffM | Winny: yeah I'll build one up and put it on the page in the store |
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| 19:01.47 | Winny | thanks |
| 19:01.53 | JeffM | you wanted pullover right? |
| 19:01.56 | Winny | yeah |
| 19:02.03 | Winny | green xl |
| 19:02.13 | Winny | (I think XL, anyways) |
| 19:06.13 | Winny | yay, photoshop says 3000x4000 is about 30x40 inches |
| 19:09.57 | JeffM | at 100 dpi |
| 19:10.41 | Winny | If I have to make this thing any bigger I'm out of RAM |
| 19:10.52 | JeffM | swapspace |
| 19:11.50 | JeffM | ok your size chart is up |
| 19:12.09 | AHA | I need the April 2007 directx sdk, correct? |
| 19:12.32 | JeffM | yes |
| 19:12.37 | JeffM | that helps |
| 19:13.57 | Winny | JeffM: what is a poster usually printed at? any idea? |
| 19:14.55 | JeffM | Winny: 300 |
| 19:14.57 | JeffM | 600 |
| 19:15.00 | JeffM | 1200 |
| 19:15.03 | Saturos | yawn... uuuaaah |
| 19:15.03 | Winny | holy crap.. |
| 19:15.21 | JeffM | your screen is 72 to 98 dpi |
| 19:15.29 | JeffM | get close to it ;) |
| 19:15.34 | Saturos | a poster on 300 dpi? lol |
| 19:15.48 | JeffM | prints can be done at that res |
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| 19:15.55 | Saturos | yeah, but its pointless |
| 19:15.55 | JeffM | depends what kind of poster you want |
| 19:16.02 | SpazzyMcGee | My dad does all his work at 300dpi |
| 19:16.02 | JeffM | and how it's printed |
| 19:16.02 | Saturos | just screws up your pc |
| 19:16.11 | Saturos | 100 is fine |
| 19:16.20 | JeffM | I'd do higher if it was going to be ofset printed |
| 19:16.42 | JeffM | and yes it does "screw up" a home PC |
| 19:16.53 | JeffM | thats why DTP people use big PCs ;) |
| 19:17.28 | Saturos | :) |
| 19:17.40 | SpazzyMcGee | Most DTP people use macs |
| 19:17.59 | JeffM | SpazzyMcGee: same hardware as a PC |
| 19:18.00 | Saturos | well, personally I think 300 for a poster is a little insane... I mean, you dont get as close to a poster like you get to a postcard, usually |
| 19:18.17 | Winny | it doesn't look bad at 110 |
| 19:18.18 | JeffM | Saturos: depends, if it's an art print. maybe |
| 19:18.32 | JeffM | if it's a dyesub print, you are probalby correct |
| 19:18.38 | JeffM | as it'll just blend |
| 19:19.05 | SpazzyMcGee | Better to be higher res than needed, rather than lower res. |
| 19:19.24 | JeffM | Winny: how big are you thinking this will be? |
| 19:20.02 | Winny | I imagine a ~20x32 print would probably be about the right size |
| 19:21.13 | Saturos | I once printed a 80cm x 60cm in 300 dpi.. my old 1,4 GHz Linux Laptop with Photoshop 6 in virtualized in Crossover-Office was hyperventilating like if it would die every second. |
| 19:21.44 | SpazzyMcGee | "a_temp_dist: not that high - 200 is OK for a large format inkjet" |
| 19:21.50 | Saturos | if that sentence made any sense, I'm still half asleep |
| 19:22.05 | SpazzyMcGee | Temp works in printing |
| 19:22.09 | JeffM | Winny: there is a 6x25 tube and a 6x38 inch tube |
| 19:22.31 | JeffM | and realy you should check how much it would cost to print them |
| 19:22.42 | JeffM | and in what quan. would be needed |
| 19:23.00 | Winny | the local staples here does them for 20$ (but that was about a year ago) |
| 19:23.13 | JeffM | I could not sell those |
| 19:24.40 | Winny | why not? Too expensive? |
| 19:24.44 | JeffM | yeah |
| 19:25.20 | Winny | hmm |
| 19:25.21 | JeffM | I'd have to sell em for like 25$ just to not eat it on fees and stuff |
| 19:25.26 | JeffM | then add shiping... |
| 19:25.43 | Winny | Ill have to check the price on an 18x24 |
| 19:25.57 | JeffM | also dont' check staples |
| 19:26.03 | JeffM | check wholsale |
| 19:27.01 | Saturos | There are online shops where you upload the image, they print and send it to you. |
| 19:27.19 | JeffM | donny_baker: I put up a size chart for the hoodies, you may want to double check yours |
| 19:27.26 | JeffM | Saturos: links? |
| 19:27.41 | Saturos | I always use http://www.posterxxl.com, but that might be German only. |
| 19:27.53 | Winny | I found one that will do ~$8 a poster.. but it requires 50 :/ |
| 19:28.00 | Saturos | The quality is suberb, I was blown away every single time. |
| 19:28.05 | JeffM | they have a US subsidary |
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| 19:28.59 | JeffM | 18x24 is still 14$ |
| 19:30.00 | JeffM | they don't do volume pricing |
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| 19:31.16 | Winny | I assume you'd want one in the US? |
| 19:31.39 | donny_baker | JeffM: yep, the size is good |
| 19:32.02 | JeffM | Winny: dunno, I'd think shiping woudl kill us, cus no mater what you have to ship them twice, once to you then once to the customers. |
| 19:32.10 | JeffM | it would all depend who does the shiping |
| 19:32.53 | JeffM | having more then one shipping place is harder, more people, more money transfers, etc.. |
| 19:34.34 | Winny | I could probably get them printed here and then send all of them to you in one tube, or something |
| 19:34.47 | JeffM | I mean I see a place here, where if we order like 250 of them, 18x24, it cuts them down to like a 1.70$ a pop |
| 19:35.01 | Winny | I believe we have a printer here would can do them for about 10$ ... Ill have to check and see |
| 19:36.31 | JeffM | I can get them down to 73cents a peice if we print enough of them ;) |
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| 19:36.45 | Winny | hehe |
| 19:36.58 | JeffM | whats 100000 posters? |
| 19:37.07 | Winny | too many posters |
| 19:37.13 | JeffM | indeed |
| 19:37.18 | JeffM | many seem to want to do 250 of them |
| 19:37.31 | Winny | I found one that will do 50 for 8 |
| 19:38.14 | JeffM | I just don't know how popular they would be |
| 19:38.28 | a_temp_dist | start another poll |
| 19:38.38 | JeffM | I'll wait till we see how the shirts go |
| 19:39.03 | JeffM | if the shirts flop we won't be selling anything else :/ |
| 19:39.31 | Winny | :( |
| 19:39.33 | Winny | no thongs? |
| 19:41.15 | JeffM | if they flop. no more money :( |
| 19:42.19 | Winny | hehe |
| 19:43.08 | Winny | whee, 8mb jpg |
| 19:43.55 | JeffM | you probalby want it to be losless |
| 19:44.08 | Winny | I know, I jus tdo jpgs during the testing phase |
| 19:44.20 | Winny | not going to upload a huge png everytime |
| 19:44.30 | JeffM | lower the res |
| 19:46.01 | Winny | 20mb :p |
| 19:46.23 | Winny | If I lower the rez, other people looking at it might not catch tiny mistakes |
| 19:48.02 | JeffM | get the overall design appoved, THEN worry about the production errors on a proof |
| 19:49.38 | blast007 | Winny: the pixel at 400x241 is the wrong shade of blue |
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| 19:50.38 | Winny | pah |
| 19:51.40 | JeffM | DTRemenak, L4m3r , and jbd if he ever comes back, the hoodies now have an "in person pickup" option if that applies to you. so you guys can order them now. |
| 20:16.46 | spldart | thong thong thong thong |
| 20:17.46 | Winny | (which works out to 190dpi) |
| 20:21.30 | Winny | mm, not bad |
| 20:27.57 | ruskie | hmm JeffM when you said 15eur for a shirt... does that include VAT ? |
| 20:28.49 | Winny | mousepads! :p |
| 20:29.18 | Winny | and they can be the basetop |
| 20:29.21 | ruskie | I think the first round of sales might go through well... but the second one won't really since everyone will have gotten the stuff in the first lot :) |
| 20:29.31 | ruskie | Winny, nice idea :) |
| 20:29.37 | Winny | DW's idea, I'm relaying it |
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| 20:32.45 | JeffM | ruskie: I beive that since it is just shiped to you, no vat |
| 20:33.30 | JeffM | when shiped to you it is marked as a "gift" ;) |
| 20:34.21 | Winny | hehe |
| 20:43.24 | Winny | http://bzfusion.net/bzflag/posters/P1090407.JPG :) |
| 20:44.49 | Winny | I wish we had a color laser.. oh well |
| 20:45.05 | blast007 | hehe |
| 20:47.35 | Winny | can't decide if its worth it get it printed at staples.. it matches my room colors :P |
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| 21:01.15 | Winny | "The infamous BZFlag "distressed" logo shirt, in charcoal gray, size small. Only suitable for small children and wee babies" hehehe... |
| 21:01.31 | JeffM | need to change that |
| 21:01.35 | JeffM | it's not distressed anymore |
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| 21:22.41 | Winny | ~JeffM++ |
| 21:59.50 | Winny | The store adds the shipping for the hoodie, and then charges you for it again :/ |
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| 22:29.53 | Winny | JeffM! Just the person I was looking for |
| 22:30.24 | Winny | When I go to order the hoodie and CD, it adds the shipping to the hoody initally, and then it charges me for shipping again at the checkout |
| 22:31.31 | whodaman | aww, thought you wouldn't notice :E |
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| 22:32.17 | Winny | I can't seem to find a way around that |
| 22:33.01 | JeffM | Winny: yah, basicly order JUST the hoodie for now. |
| 22:33.11 | Winny | ahh, ok |
| 22:33.20 | JeffM | then order the CD with the shirt after I send you the voucher |
| 22:34.02 | Winny | alright |
| 22:34.33 | JeffM | the shiping on the hoodies was odd, cus they are so big |
| 22:37.02 | Winny | JeffM: should I leave something in the comment about the other shirt and CD? |
| 22:37.11 | JeffM | no |
| 22:37.13 | Winny | ok |
| 22:37.56 | JeffM | when you do order the CD and shirt, then you can put a note to ship it with the hoodie, but I have a tracking status that can link the orders. |
| 22:38.11 | Winny | k |
| 22:39.13 | Winny | hmm, I wonder if this will work with ym mom's paypal and my account info... |
| 22:40.56 | JeffM | I enter the shipping info, so I can make sure it goes to the right place ;) |
| 22:41.19 | Winny | I'm just trying to figure out where I put the paypal info.. am probably being blind |
| 22:41.46 | Winny | Do you enter it after "Confirm Order" I guess? |
| 22:41.49 | JeffM | yes |
| 22:41.52 | Winny | ah |
| 22:41.53 | JeffM | it takes you to the paypal site |
| 22:41.59 | JeffM | and you enter it |
| 22:42.19 | JeffM | we never get or keep your paypal info |
| 22:47.11 | Winny | order #8! \o/ |
| 22:48.22 | whodaman | $27 :O |
| 22:49.12 | JeffM | sweatshirts ain't cheap |
| 22:51.37 | whodaman | I guess |
| 22:51.59 | Winny | 27 isn't bad at all |
| 22:52.08 | whodaman | eh |
| 22:52.21 | Winny | remember, dollars, not euros |
| 22:52.34 | whodaman | Yes. |
| 22:53.08 | whodaman | Although, a hoodie at Old Navy wasn't that expensive, from what I remember |
| 22:53.22 | JeffM | probably wasn't screen printed |
| 22:53.27 | Winny | they're printed in the thousands, if not the hundreds of thousands, too |
| 22:53.32 | JeffM | and yeah they can be cheaper when you print 10,000 of em ;) |
| 22:53.43 | whodaman | ah, okay |
| 22:53.45 | whodaman | good point |
| 22:53.58 | JeffM | we are printing FIVE |
| 22:54.01 | Winny | hehe |
| 22:54.35 | Winny | I think this is the most anxious Ill be for clothing to arrive in a while ;) |
| 22:57.09 | JeffM | Winny: you should have an e-mail now with a 9$ gift cert |
| 22:57.18 | Winny | Just say it :) |
| 22:57.19 | JeffM | thats what the shiping should be when you order the shirt and CD |
| 22:57.35 | Winny | ok |
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| 22:58.20 | JeffM | then when the shirts go up for sale, order the shirt and the CD, use that code, that should cut 9 of your price |
| 22:58.35 | nn64 | hi all |
| 22:59.10 | Winny | hi |
| 22:59.52 | nn64 | Im wondering why my cpu jups form 47 percent use while I am flying around in observer mode to 100% constant in playing mode ? |
| 23:00.21 | JeffM | SCIENCE! |
| 23:00.44 | nn64 | its using almost the same amount of code for both whats the difference ?? |
| 23:01.37 | JeffM | framerate probably |
| 23:01.45 | JeffM | the game always tries to run as fast as possilbe |
| 23:01.56 | JeffM | so that's normal |
| 23:08.03 | Winny | JeffM: I found a local place that might be able to do posters for $7.. shall I contact them and see if they could do ~20? |
| 23:08.28 | whodaman | Winny, which poster would it be printing? |
| 23:08.32 | Winny | no idea |
| 23:08.34 | whodaman | is there a final version yet? |
| 23:08.39 | whodaman | k |
| 23:08.42 | Winny | probably one saturos would kill anyone at |
| 23:08.44 | Winny | :P |
| 23:09.07 | whodaman | :D |
| 23:09.09 | jftsang | you know how you can "bump" up small objects |
| 23:09.39 | Winny | jftsang: group them and scale them? |
| 23:09.40 | jftsang | so, say I'm on the ground and there is a small box that is smaller in height than 0.33 units, I can go over it without jumping |
| 23:10.07 | jftsang | well, I'm not sure whether this works or not if the object has a phydrv |
| 23:10.41 | jftsang | (refs jftsang.servegame.com:5154, the circular track has a spinning part, onto which you may not bump) |
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| 23:12.45 | nn64 | well the frame trait are the same both ways just in observer your not sending packets but that really shouldn't make a difference Also im zooming around while tracking a tank at full speed and smooth .. while while when I am in the game the client should use no more its still doing the same movement position tracking etc. but just sending out packets and gerking because of cpu over load I really don't see what is up ..... i know the code fairly well because I had |
| 23:12.45 | nn64 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.17 | Winny | then figure out what it is doing |
| 23:13.33 | nn64 | ok and i will fix it ! |
| 23:13.38 | nn64 | :) |
| 23:13.50 | Winny | k |
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| 23:17.49 | Tj13820 | how do i run more than one server? i have a DMZ on my server and multiple configs to run. |
| 23:17.57 | Tj13820 | i assume it's just a port problem |
| 23:18.23 | Winny | yeah, make the address domain:port and use -p port |
| 23:18.29 | Tj13820 | but changing my port just makes my server a lan game, on the second server. it's like it NEEDS port 5154 |
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| 23:18.36 | Tj13820 | ahh, ok |
| 23:18.44 | Winny | Tj13820: make sure the ports are unblocked on your router too |
| 23:18.59 | Tj13820 | instead of bzfs24.servegame.com, make it bzfs24.servegame.com:4145 |
| 23:19.04 | Tj13820 | -p 4145 |
| 23:19.16 | Tj13820 | my router has DMZ set to my static IP |
| 23:19.26 | Tj13820 | with DUC from NO-IP |
| 23:19.32 | Tj13820 | (just in case) |
| 23:20.09 | Tj13820 | it worked, than you very much |
| 23:20.13 | Winny | sure |
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| 23:21.22 | jftsang | bz32, did you copy that from the wiki? |
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| 23:22.59 | Winny | bachiiiiiiiiiiii: do you really need all those i's? :p |
| 23:23.05 | Winny | wheee... |
| 23:23.35 | jftsang | CGI chatter again? |
| 23:23.52 | Winny | no.. look at his hostmask |
| 23:30.26 | JeffM | Winny: keep it in mind, but lets make sure we are solvent first |
| 23:30.52 | whodaman | Winny, what's wrong with him having them? |
| 23:31.55 | Winny | They're not horrible.. but I just don't see why one needs so many i's in his name |
| 23:34.22 | Winny | JeffM: I'm not sure I understand |
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| 23:39.58 | nn64 | oh i figured it out it was not what i thought it was .... it was that the fields are different ... if they have textures other that the default textures it runs really slow otherwise its fine |
| 23:40.45 | Winny | nn64: you mean you weren't on the same map? |
| 23:40.52 | nn64 | why would different textures affect the speed what is different about the default texture vs the non default texture ?? |
| 23:40.57 | Winny | In the future, that's probably a good thing to check first :) |
| 23:41.15 | Winny | nn64: because there are more things to render, and/or the textures are larger |
| 23:41.26 | JeffM | nn64: size |
| 23:41.27 | JeffM | number |
| 23:41.27 | nn64 | are thy loaded differently |
| 23:41.30 | JeffM | etc.. |
| 23:41.35 | JeffM | not all textures are equa |
| 23:41.38 | JeffM | equal |
| 23:41.57 | nn64 | i thought the textures were rendered by the graphics card |
| 23:42.14 | JeffM | yes |
| 23:42.14 | Think_Differentl | nn64, there are different types of textures, which take longer to render |
| 23:42.27 | JeffM | and the card does not have infinate speed |
| 23:42.32 | Think_Differentl | it is done by the graphics card, although some people do have integrated graphics. |
| 23:42.38 | Winny | nn64: think of it this way |
| 23:42.44 | JeffM | more textures = more for the card to draw |
| 23:42.57 | Winny | does it take you longer to calculate 2*2 or 2*2 / (3^7) / 4 |
| 23:43.10 | Winny | the computer needs to calculate more if there are more textures, or larger textures |
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| 23:43.27 | nn64 | ? |
| 23:43.46 | Think_Differentl | nn64, a graphics card is essentially a graphics card, with a powerful floating point processor |
| 23:43.58 | Think_Differentl | calculator, rather. |
| 23:44.36 | JeffM | nn64: it just works like that, belive it |
| 23:44.47 | nn64 | ok lests say i stick 32 blocks with the default texture in a map .... then i stick the same texture in the map file as a downloaded texture. will the map run at the same speed? |
| 23:44.56 | JeffM | yes |
| 23:45.09 | JeffM | the problem is those are probalby NOT the same texture |
| 23:45.40 | JeffM | a block wiht a 256x256 texture will render faster then a texture with a 512x512 texture |
| 23:45.50 | JeffM | or a box with 2 256x265 textures. |
| 23:46.16 | Winny | nn64: also, a 512x512 image is 4 times the size of a 256x256 image |
| 23:46.49 | nn64 | ya but i still dont see why it takes 2 as much speed and why don't you scale down the image if a setting is on in the menu |
| 23:47.03 | JeffM | nn64: because we Don't |
| 23:47.03 | nn64 | ? |
| 23:47.17 | JeffM | high res textures LOOK better |
| 23:47.18 | nn64 | lol well there we go a adition Yay ! |
| 23:47.36 | Winny | nn64: are your cpu cycles costing you dearly or something? |
| 23:47.42 | JeffM | go learn something about graphics instead of just blindly saying we are wrong |
| 23:47.47 | nn64 | lol not if your computer is gerking the screen |
| 23:47.48 | Winny | I'd rather have the game take a few more cycles if it looks better |
| 23:48.10 | JeffM | nn64: the choice is up the server owner/maper |
| 23:48.25 | nn64 | ok then there is a nother adition using Dule core capibility ! |
| 23:48.33 | Winny | Dual* |
| 23:48.48 | nn64 | currently you onliy take advantage of 1 processer |
| 23:48.53 | JeffM | yeah |
| 23:49.00 | JeffM | cus that's what we do |
| 23:49.08 | nn64 | :( |
| 23:49.34 | JeffM | it isn't like we just hit a switch and magialy make all our code run multithreaded |
| 23:49.41 | JeffM | not all math can be multi threaded |
| 23:49.43 | nn64 | o well atleast i now have a paper copy of the 96 page player.cxx |
| 23:49.51 | nn64 | playing.cxx* |
| 23:49.55 | JeffM | why? |
| 23:50.17 | nn64 | I Print the code i plan to study |
| 23:50.25 | JeffM | why? |
| 23:51.26 | nn64 | because its easiear to spred 20 documents out across the flore of the room and trace calls inbetween stapled documents |
| 23:51.34 | JeffM | floor |
| 23:51.40 | Think_Differentl | oh, I though bzflag was multi threaded |
| 23:51.45 | JeffM | Think_Differentl: not really |
| 23:52.03 | nn64 | its not but it should be :( |
| 23:52.15 | JeffM | nn64: you know nothing about it, so please just shut up |
| 23:52.33 | JeffM | in the most basic sense, it is multi threaded |
| 23:52.35 | JeffM | it spawns a thread |
| 23:52.43 | JeffM | and uses multi threaded runtimes |
| 23:52.56 | JeffM | but not all of our logic can be made to run in paralel |
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| 23:53.12 | IceWewe | hooray for JeffM! |
| 23:53.47 | Winny | ... |
| 23:54.08 | Winny | JeffM: shall I go hurt him? |
| 23:54.37 | JeffM | perhaps nn64 you could be so kind as to enlighten us as to what we should do to "make it multi-threaded"? |
| 23:54.42 | JeffM | Winny: who? |
| 23:54.50 | Think_Differentl | JeffM, put it in the multi-blender! |
| 23:54.54 | Winny | "<IceWewe> hooray for JeffM!" |
| 23:55.00 | JeffM | Winny: who? |
| 23:55.07 | Winny | ... |
| 23:55.13 | JeffM | exactly |
| 23:55.16 | Winny | k |
| 23:55.21 | Think_Differentl | and bake the mixture in the multi oven! |
| 23:56.20 | *** join/#bzflag BenUrban (n=benurban@unaffiliated/benurban) |
| 23:58.41 | nn64 | well any way i want to implement my idea of a turret tank lables + your position status in playing mode :) |
| 23:59.16 | nn64 | I always hate the fact that one js is not used :( |
| 23:59.17 | Winny | "turret tank labels"? |
| 23:59.27 | nn64 | turret + tank labels |
| 23:59.36 | JeffM | the turret has another name then the tank? |
| 23:59.41 | Winny | uh, there already is a turrent |
| 23:59.44 | nn64 | no |
| 23:59.46 | Winny | turret* |
| 23:59.52 | Winny | and it will never swivel |
| 23:59.58 | JeffM | nn64: as always you are NOT making any sense |
