| 00:00.09 | Winny | I'd like to see the colors |
| 00:00.22 | JeffM | http://www.imprintablecatalog.com/catalog/search/?category=A&mill=42&style=2000 |
| 00:00.29 | JeffM | that has the color chart |
| 00:01.30 | Winny | ok |
| 00:12.49 | brlcad | JeffM: looks great |
| 00:13.01 | JeffM | brlcad: cool, winny added some small touches |
| 00:13.20 | Winny | barely any* |
| 00:13.35 | brlcad | it looks really nicely done |
| 00:14.16 | randomparticle | wonders if bzflag will compile for the iphone with relatively few mods |
| 00:14.32 | Winny | yeah, I was wondering about that too |
| 00:14.32 | JeffM | does it have an SDL port? |
| 00:14.50 | Winny | It's OS X.. so I'd assume so |
| 00:14.58 | JeffM | *snicker* |
| 00:15.04 | JeffM | ok.. keep assuming that |
| 00:15.07 | randomparticle | i don't know. |
| 00:15.27 | JeffM | I highly doubt that the iphone implemnts the entire OSX api |
| 00:15.30 | randomparticle | i mean, i doubt there's one prebuilt and available |
| 00:15.41 | randomparticle | but building one might be not too difficult |
| 00:15.47 | JeffM | does it have GL? |
| 00:16.01 | Winny | yep |
| 00:16.18 | JeffM | full openGL 1.2 compliance? |
| 00:16.26 | JeffM | stencels and scissor buffers? |
| 00:16.31 | Winny | not sure :p |
| 00:16.39 | Winny | I believe they put up spec docs |
| 00:16.47 | JeffM | that'd be the key thing |
| 00:16.56 | JeffM | we use some rather rarely used GL calls |
| 00:17.06 | Winny | you could tilt the phone to move :o |
| 00:17.25 | JeffM | sure, let me know when you are done with that ;) |
| 00:17.29 | Lukstr | hah |
| 00:17.45 | Winny | dunno, it could be an interesting project over the summer to see if I could make it work |
| 00:20.38 | Winny | JeffM, how did you do the commit feed on the mentor blog? |
| 00:20.41 | Winny | RSS feed? |
| 00:20.51 | JeffM | SCIENCE! |
| 00:20.56 | JeffM | and javascript |
| 00:21.10 | Winny | custom JS? darn |
| 00:21.18 | JeffM | a javascript that needs to be modified |
| 00:21.20 | JeffM | ohh yeah |
| 00:21.25 | JeffM | blast wrote it for me |
| 00:22.04 | JeffM | I want to have it parse out the comiter and slap that in there in bold or something |
| 00:22.26 | JeffM | <script src="http://my.bzflag.org/staff/soc/scripts/ciarss.php" type="text/javascript"></script> |
| 00:35.05 | brlcad | it conforms to OpenGL ES |
| 00:35.12 | JeffM | yeah ES |
| 00:35.14 | JeffM | that should be fun |
| 00:35.19 | brlcad | in theory, a port really shouldn't be too hard |
| 00:35.34 | JeffM | not sure is ES does stencil and scissor |
| 00:35.36 | JeffM | but maybe |
| 00:36.26 | brlcad | the core services are everything we already use on the mac, wouldn't even necessarily need sdl with our old native interface, mostly input tweaks for cocoa touch |
| 00:37.00 | brlcad | if you've not seen the presentation, it's pretty darn cool |
| 00:37.03 | brlcad | http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/iphoneroadmap/ |
| 00:37.29 | brlcad | showcased spore and another sega game that they ported in two weeks |
| 00:37.33 | Winny | I bet you can't guess that Steve was wearing a turtle neck |
| 00:37.54 | Winny | Yeah, that super monkey ball thing looked cool |
| 00:38.09 | JeffM | then why hasn't apple goten the best mac game ever ported? |
| 00:38.14 | JeffM | photoshop |
| 00:38.52 | a_meteorite | cause M$ makes sure the game companies keep on cranking out directx only stuff |
| 00:39.17 | JeffM | photoshop does not use directX |
| 00:39.29 | a_meteorite | I was not talking about photoshop, I was talking about games |
| 00:39.39 | a_meteorite | photoshop is not a game, and macs have photoshop :) |
| 00:39.41 | JeffM | photoshop is the best mac game ;) |
| 00:39.49 | JeffM | jokes are wasted on you |
| 00:40.01 | a_meteorite | lol |
| 00:40.03 | JeffM | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk8hxjpnUiw |
| 00:40.44 | a_meteorite | haha |
| 00:44.13 | spldart | Everytime I get linked to utube I end up following the links to at least 1/2 dozen other silly videos |
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| 00:45.00 | brlcad | ugh.. my eyes they bleed |
| 00:45.09 | brlcad | 8 hours working on the proposal |
| 00:45.23 | JeffM | wow |
| 00:45.30 | JeffM | it ready for prime time? |
| 00:47.08 | spldart | o_O |
| 00:47.09 | brlcad | i'm still not done |
| 00:47.18 | JeffM | wow |
| 00:47.33 | brlcad | that's about how long it took last time |
| 00:47.48 | brlcad | mostly word-smithing and reviewing and rereviewing |
| 00:47.50 | JeffM | so much for code reusal |
| 00:47.56 | brlcad | this is reusing |
| 00:48.00 | JeffM | wow |
| 00:48.01 | brlcad | just doesn't make it much easier |
| 00:48.03 | JeffM | refactoring |
| 00:48.06 | JeffM | :) |
| 00:48.06 | brlcad | plus we had a whole new section |
| 00:48.12 | JeffM | ahh |
| 00:48.21 | JeffM | is it titled "why will you not suck"? |
| 00:48.28 | brlcad | last year, we just got to answer "No" |
| 00:48.41 | brlcad | no, it was what'd you do last year basically |
| 00:48.42 | JeffM | ahh since we were first timers |
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| 00:49.17 | brlcad | it'll be ready for proofing later tonight |
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| 00:49.31 | JeffM | I'm sure it'll be fine |
| 00:51.25 | JeffM | sudo make me a sandwich |
| 00:51.51 | Winny | hey, if you installed BSD on a toaster it would work |
| 00:52.03 | JeffM | http://imgs.xkcd.com/store/imgs/sudo_square_0.png |
| 00:52.11 | Winny | yep |
| 00:59.34 | Winny | yay IE7 sucks |
| 00:59.43 | spldart | w0rd |
| 01:00.02 | Winny | I'm afraid to look at this thing in IE 6 |
| 01:02.00 | F687s | If I had a nickel for every time I saw that "sudo" comic... |
| 01:03.53 | Winny | they moved the prediction up to 60-65cm, heh |
| 01:04.08 | Winny | You know there's too much of the white stuff when a snow plow crashes |
| 01:05.58 | Winny | haha... IE 6: http://png.browsershots.org/e5b990f2994a1ba63bb16ff07af9ceb0.png |
| 01:06.43 | JeffM | make the logo image an 8 bit png |
| 01:06.49 | JeffM | and transperancy will work in ie6 |
| 01:07.15 | Winny | it is |
| 01:07.34 | F687s | Add a "Best Viewed With a Competent Browser" tag. |
| 01:08.46 | Winny | It actually doesn't look at bad as I thought it would in IE 6 |
| 01:09.35 | JeffM | it should probably be functional in it |
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| 01:10.35 | Winny | I know, I just figured it would look much much worse then that |
| 01:10.44 | Winny | seeing how bad IE 7 looked until I fixed it |
| 01:11.10 | Lukstr | Winny: using browser hints? |
| 01:11.20 | Winny | hmm> |
| 01:11.22 | Winny | hmm?* |
| 01:11.39 | Lukstr | to make the page appear different in different browsers |
| 01:11.51 | Lukstr | you can avoid a lot of compatibility issues |
| 01:13.14 | Winny | oh, the comment if statements? |
| 01:13.33 | Lukstr | Winny: there's a ton of different ways |
| 01:13.56 | Lukstr | I usually put in ones for old IE/netscape/whatever browsers (old in general) to use non-fancy images |
| 01:14.30 | Lukstr | Winny: I'm surprised you aim to please IE6 users? |
| 01:14.42 | Winny | We get over 60 of them a day. |
| 01:15.15 | Winny | 270 over the past ~4 days |
| 01:15.28 | Lukstr | wild |
| 01:15.31 | JeffM | since our game is free, we atract a lot of people who have not upgraded anything in a while |
| 01:15.32 | Lukstr | in that case :P |
| 01:16.30 | Lukstr | Winny: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/pngopacity/ if you have .png issues |
| 01:17.17 | Winny | ahh, the image filters |
| 01:17.19 | Winny | forgot about those |
| 01:17.33 | Lukstr | I tend to avoid the JS solutions though.. |
| 01:19.10 | Lukstr | (I'm a pretty pedantic browser though :P NoScript ftw) |
| 01:19.51 | Lukstr | JeffM: Btw, I've rekindled my interest in BZWB, going to give it a compile sometime this week, inbetween midterms |
| 01:20.18 | a_meteorite | Lukstr: you're jude? |
| 01:20.23 | JeffM | fun |
| 01:20.26 | Lukstr | a_meteorite: nope |
| 01:20.37 | a_meteorite | oh, just hoping to pick it up |
| 01:20.43 | Lukstr | :) |
| 01:20.44 | Winny | a_meteorite: "jude-" is jude |
| 01:20.53 | a_meteorite | Winny: I thought maybe he picked up a new username |
| 01:21.10 | a_meteorite | ;) |
| 01:21.24 | Winny | hehe |
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| 01:23.53 | JeffM | he is a SoC2008 hopeful |
| 01:24.34 | a_meteorite | good luck to you mate :) |
| 01:24.36 | Winny | I havent been able to ~jude- him for a while |
| 01:24.41 | Winny | ~jude- |
| 01:24.41 | ibot | rumour has it, jude- is an all around great guy who's working on BZWorkbench as his Google Summer of Code project for BZFlag. see also #bzflag or http://bzworkbench.wordpress.com/ |
| 01:24.48 | Winny | oh, changed :( |
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| 01:31.36 | L4m3r | Winny: wasn't it |
| 01:31.40 | L4m3r | ~heyjude |
| 01:31.41 | ibot | Hey, Jude-, go ahead and make it bad. |
| 01:31.46 | Winny | ahh |
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| 02:09.33 | BAPTIST | hello......? |
| 02:09.39 | Winny | yes? |
| 02:09.42 | BAPTIST | anyone |
| 02:09.46 | BAPTIST | oh sup |
| 02:09.53 | Winny | Do you need help with something? |
| 02:09.54 | BAPTIST | you in game? |
| 02:10.04 | BAPTIST | yea i need to upgrade my client |
| 02:10.11 | BAPTIST | i dont know how to |
| 02:10.18 | Winny | Then download a new one from www.bzflag.org |
| 02:10.18 | JeffM | what version do you have now? |
| 02:10.24 | BAPTIST | huh? |
| 02:10.26 | Winny | The latest version is 2.0.10 |
| 02:10.30 | BAPTIST | k thank you |
| 02:10.35 | JeffM | what version of the game do you have now? |
| 02:10.53 | BAPTIST | k |
| 02:11.51 | Winny | JeffM, do you object to having AJAX on the download page? |
| 02:11.54 | BAPTIST | uhh im on bzflag.org now what? |
| 02:12.02 | Winny | click "download" |
| 02:12.11 | JeffM | BAPTIST: where did you get your current version |
| 02:12.24 | JeffM | Winny: we maynot have a package for his OS, it's good to find out what he has ;) |
| 02:12.36 | JeffM | Winny: I don't know what "having AJAX" means? |
| 02:12.55 | Winny | oh |
| 02:13.07 | BAPTIST | what client should i get now? |
| 02:13.12 | JeffM | remember that I am not a web devleoper |
| 02:13.17 | Winny | A rather crude definition is having content sent to the user's page without reloading |
| 02:13.21 | Winny | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajax_(programming) |
| 02:13.21 | JeffM | BAPTIST: what kind of computer are you on? |
| 02:13.28 | BAPTIST | dell |
| 02:13.35 | JeffM | Winny: what does mean in laymans terms |
| 02:13.39 | JeffM | BAPTIST: do you run windows? |
| 02:13.44 | BAPTIST | yes |
| 02:14.08 | BAPTIST | im only 13 and southern im not smart k.=) |
| 02:14.16 | JeffM | then get your parents to help you |
| 02:14.30 | JeffM | I assume you can read, do you see where it says Current Rellease 2.0.10? |
| 02:14.35 | BAPTIST | they cant help me...silly goose |
| 02:14.40 | JeffM | then under that it has a link after the word "windows" |
| 02:14.41 | Winny | JeffM, it's fancy javascipt |
| 02:14.44 | Winny | basically |
| 02:14.57 | JeffM | Winny: you still haven't told me what it means, why would I object to it, what does it do? |
| 02:15.14 | JeffM | Winny: just describe the feature |
| 02:15.32 | JeffM | as long as it has something where it will work if java is off, I don't care |
| 02:15.44 | JeffM | other then that it should not be ugly |
| 02:15.47 | JeffM | that's about it ;) |
| 02:15.50 | Winny | ok :) |
| 02:15.57 | BAPTIST | wow yalls are really smart |
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| 02:16.03 | BAPTIST | now what? |
| 02:16.13 | JeffM | BAPTIST: you do not know how to install software? |
| 02:16.20 | JeffM | or are you pulling our legs? |
| 02:16.34 | BAPTIST | uhh yea |
| 02:16.43 | JeffM | yeah to what one? ;) |
| 02:16.49 | BAPTIST | wait wait i know all that it just sadi i need a new client |
| 02:16.59 | JeffM | what said that? |
| 02:17.04 | JeffM | what version of the game do you run now? |
| 02:17.04 | BAPTIST | ive played the game and other stuff |
| 02:17.25 | BAPTIST | yea to i know how to install |
| 02:17.40 | JeffM | then simply double click the file you downloaded, and that will install it. |
| 02:17.46 | JeffM | follow the prompts |
| 02:17.49 | JeffM | then run the new version |
| 02:17.51 | BAPTIST | remember im southern not to smart = D |
| 02:17.52 | JeffM | it's very simple |
| 02:17.56 | JeffM | I don't buy that |
| 02:18.10 | Winny | That's bullcrap. Being southern does not make you not smart. |
| 02:18.10 | JeffM | all you have to do is read |
| 02:18.33 | JeffM | it mostly seems like you are just trying to get a rise out of everyone |
| 02:18.57 | brlcad | Manu: donde estas? |
| 02:19.38 | BAPTIST | jeff ur words are to sufficticated man.you seem annoying in real life no offense |
| 02:19.55 | BAPTIST | k foget wat i just seed |
| 02:20.12 | a_meteorite | can you speak in full words so we can comprehend you? |
| 02:20.20 | JeffM | rrriiiiigggghhhhttttt |
| 02:20.45 | BAPTIST | no i respect all of youre smarty pants words seriously |
| 02:21.00 | BAPTIST | im only 13 though |
| 02:21.05 | JeffM | don't realy care |
| 02:21.15 | BAPTIST | let it go k |
| 02:21.16 | JeffM | we try to treat everyone as an adult |
| 02:21.21 | JeffM | that's about it |
| 02:21.26 | JeffM | so if you got the game, great |
| 02:21.36 | JeffM | have fun playing it |
| 02:22.05 | brlcad | except for ibot, we don't treat her like an adult |
| 02:22.11 | JeffM | true |
| 02:22.15 | JeffM | ibot sucks |
| 02:22.15 | ibot | only if you ask nicely and pay well. |
| 02:22.21 | Winny | hehe |
| 02:22.27 | L4m3r | no, we treat her like a 14 year-old secretary |
| 02:22.45 | L4m3r | er |
| 02:22.52 | L4m3r | that wasn't intended to relate to the last comment |
| 02:22.57 | L4m3r | >_< |
| 02:23.43 | Winny | ~fail L4m3r |
| 02:23.44 | ibot | L4m3r: Fail. |
| 02:23.54 | L4m3r | ...more in the sense that we leave ibot to do annoying, repetitive, thankless tasks :P |
| 02:24.02 | JeffM | Winny: that was the same number of characters... |
| 02:24.05 | F687s | ibot does stuff? |
| 02:24.16 | Winny | JeffM: so? |
| 02:24.26 | L4m3r | F687s: don't get all excited |
| 02:24.27 | JeffM | not efficent bot usage |
| 02:24.28 | L4m3r | :P |
| 02:24.32 | Winny | hehe |
| 02:24.39 | L4m3r | is that the only response for fail? |
| 02:24.42 | L4m3r | ~fail me |
| 02:24.43 | ibot | l4m3r: Fail. |
| 02:24.46 | L4m3r | apparently |
| 02:24.48 | Winny | yeah, I need to fix it |
| 02:24.49 | F687s | ~fail |
| 02:24.59 | BAPTIST | man why do you guys hate ibot so much? |
| 02:25.10 | JeffM | we don't |
| 02:25.11 | F687s | heh...dual meaning |
| 02:25.12 | JeffM | it's a joke |
| 02:25.17 | Winny | ibot: no, fail $1 is <reply> You suck at everything in life, $1. I hate you because you fail. |
| 02:25.17 | ibot | okay, Winny |
| 02:25.24 | Winny | better? :p |
| 02:25.29 | JeffM | thats enough bot abbuse |
| 02:25.43 | Winny | There can never be enough! |
| 02:26.05 | Winny | Well, there probably can |
| 02:26.16 | JeffM | there is |
| 02:26.27 | JeffM | remember you can train the bot in a /msg ;) |
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| 02:26.42 | Winny | too many extra click |
| 02:26.44 | Winny | s |
| 02:26.56 | L4m3r | #botpark |
| 02:27.17 | Winny | Hey, look, a distraction! |
| 02:27.31 | L4m3r | ~fail Winny |
| 02:27.31 | ibot | You suck at everything in life, Winny. I hate you because you fail. |
| 02:28.05 | BAPTIST | alright enough of making fun od bot lol.no i was kidding keep it coming ahahahaha |
| 02:28.36 | Winny | heh |
| 02:28.59 | BAPTIST | i didnt mean to say od bot i accidently typed it (cough).............. |
| 02:29.14 | BAPTIST | *** |
| 02:33.22 | JeffM | brlcad: I uploaded a version 6 of the tank model, moved the turret forward more, and expaned the counterweight |
| 02:33.50 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/files/geometry/tank_v6.obj |
| 02:34.40 | JeffM | figured |
| 02:34.52 | JeffM | i"m leaving in a bit, so I wanted to throw that out there :) |
| 02:38.12 | Winny | s/a bit/now |
| 02:38.53 | brlcad | anyone else interested in mentoring for gsoc needs to speak up |
| 02:40.15 | brlcad | do you have commit access? have you committed anything? |
| 02:40.27 | Winny | my point exactly :p |
| 02:40.48 | whodaman | heh |
| 02:40.49 | brlcad | i couldn't recall, hence the ask |
| 02:40.58 | whodaman | commit access \o/ |
| 02:41.27 | brlcad | but yeah, that really is at least a first step though there's a level of understanding of the project's scope, goals, code, etc that is also needed |
| 02:43.29 | L4m3r | I'm liking the web interface idea :P |
| 02:44.14 | L4m3r | I've been playing with the idea of an improved bzfs console, similar to bzadmin. a web interface would be pretty cool, too. |
| 02:44.48 | brlcad | blast007: the image uploader could use some field to indicate the source, like a url or various categories ("I made it", found it: here, etc) .. |
| 02:45.08 | blast007 | k |
| 02:45.09 | brlcad | also a way to send them a message without rejecting or accepting.. |
| 02:45.19 | brlcad | like the image in the queue now |
| 02:45.31 | brlcad | I know I've seen that texture before |
| 02:46.15 | brlcad | it's used all over the place, but I highly doubt anyone has a reputable reference that indicates it really is PD |
| 02:47.48 | brlcad | I *think* that particular one started back in the mid-90's from the old/popular Andy's Art site .. and "may" have been PD, but the point still stands for other images that I'd question |
| 02:53.59 | blast007 | hmm |
| 02:54.53 | brlcad | BAPTIST: speaking of the south.. I'm boiling some peanuts right now |
| 02:55.25 | brlcad | damn is that some good eatin' .. took me a long time to find raw peanuts |
| 02:59.14 | blast007 | brlcad: so basically just a two-way messaging system in the image submitter? |
| 02:59.34 | blast007 | send then an email with the contents, and have them log into the image submitter to respond? |
| 03:01.50 | brlcad | I wasn't thinking anything so gradios -- could also just send them an email with the image and comment, and the moderator's email as the reply-to |
| 03:03.50 | brlcad | I'm thinking just from my own use -- I see an image and have frequently had two questions -- where the hell did they get the image from (i.e. I'm doubting them just repeating their name as the "Author") .. and if they got it from somewhere else, where? (i.e. can they prove their source) |
| 03:04.41 | brlcad | maybe that doesn't warrant needing to send custom messages, and I can just as readily reject with a message and have them upload again .. but they can't easily respond to my question as-is |
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| 03:19.19 | brlcad | yay, finished |
| 03:19.23 | brlcad | 11 hours |
| 03:19.29 | Winny | ~learner++ |
| 03:19.36 | brlcad | damn I'm starving |
| 03:19.41 | whodaman | eat! |
| 03:19.41 | Winny | What is in it that takes so long? |
| 03:19.49 | Winny | is it another post-mortem-style doc? |
| 03:20.15 | brlcad | writing carefully, tactfully, appropriately, completely, consistently, eloquently, etc |
| 03:22.25 | brlcad | otherwise, it's really not that long .. about 9 pages, 3100 words |
| 03:22.43 | Winny | yikes |
| 03:25.02 | brlcad | only a page or two longer than last year |
| 03:25.16 | brlcad | and that one seemed to do alright.. ;) |
| 03:26.49 | brlcad | DTRemenak: ping! |
| 03:29.58 | brlcad | hm.. who all reviewed the article last fall? |
| 03:30.04 | brlcad | they did a good job |
| 03:30.45 | blast007 | brlcad: well, my reasoning for the two-way message system was so that someone else doesn't approve the image while waiting for a response from the user |
| 03:31.06 | brlcad | blast007: yeah, good point |
| 03:31.22 | brlcad | well, maybe reject is good enough .. especially if you add some way for them to indicate a source |
| 03:31.23 | blast007 | otherwise it's no better than how it currently is |
| 03:31.32 | brlcad | "I made this", "got it from: ..." |
| 03:31.37 | blast007 | yeah, makes they try harder next time ;) |
| 03:32.12 | blast007 | and when I reject, I send back more of the file info (like the license they used and so on) so that it's easier for them to resubmit |
| 03:32.42 | brlcad | but they can't presently say a source, can they? |
| 03:32.47 | blast007 | nope |
| 03:32.48 | brlcad | (can that be readily added?) |
| 03:32.59 | brlcad | :) |
| 03:33.01 | blast007 | yeah, should be easy |
| 03:33.07 | brlcad | koo |
| 03:33.57 | blast007 | I'll do it like you had suggested |
| 03:35.43 | brlcad | hmm, looks like the old images stuff is still there |
| 03:36.00 | brlcad | http://my.bzflag.org/images/ .. that *should* be the same as images.bzflag.org, but isn't |
| 03:36.13 | brlcad | those also have no license info |
| 03:41.42 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16726 10/trunk/web/submitimages/templates/email_upload.tpl: save a click, send me straight to the queue (it'll still redirect to login if needed) |
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| 03:58.47 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/#bzflag || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || 2.0.10 is the latest public release || GSoC 2008 is on, join #gsoc if you're interested in participating (mentors and students) http://tanks4code.blogspot.com/ |
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| 04:01.17 | brlcad | there, old dirs are gone, moved into OLD .. |
| 04:01.33 | brlcad | can be deleted in a couple months if they're not in use |
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| 04:07.10 | Winny | JeffM, I made a couple mods to that tank you posted earlier: http://bzfusion.net/bzflag/Tank6_edit.obj - http://bzfusion.net/bzflag/Tank6Render.jpg |
| 04:17.47 | JeffM | I don't like the ridge |
| 04:18.34 | JeffM | and when you mirrored the cover, you didn't reverse the face directon |
| 04:19.16 | JeffM | did you do anything else to it? |
| 04:19.28 | Winny | I made the turret a bit narrower |
| 04:19.37 | Winny | it looked really weird from the front |
| 04:19.43 | Winny | at least, I thought so |
| 04:19.49 | JeffM | still does :) |
| 04:19.58 | JeffM | I think it needs a stair step |
| 04:20.27 | JeffM | I agree on the turret being "odd" |
| 04:20.35 | JeffM | but I don't think the ridge adds anyhing |
| 04:20.40 | JeffM | it dosn't change any profile |
| 04:20.47 | JeffM | so it's just fluf |
| 04:23.12 | whodaman | lol |
| 04:32.13 | whodaman | yay |
| 04:43.08 | brlcad | short_circuit: how good are your grammar and engrish skills? |
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| 05:14.07 | andresj | anybody want to check out the server at local.andresjriofrio.com (or andresjriofrio.ath.cx--its the same server) and /report their thoughts? (or tell me here :D) |
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| 06:17.05 | newbie8787 | any hints on what kind of projects we are to expect from bzflag, at this years gsoc? |
| 06:18.04 | newbie8787 | none? |
| 06:18.04 | think_tank | current proposals can be found here: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code/2008 |
| 06:18.40 | newbie8787 | thanx |
| 06:22.51 | JeffM | it isn't even time for the students to apply yet |
| 06:23.28 | newbie8787 | i know |
| 06:23.42 | newbie8787 | but it doesnt hurt to know whats being offered |
| 06:24.16 | JeffM | they say what they want to do, not us :) |
| 06:25.07 | JeffM | I do hope we get someone to finish bzwb this time tho |
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| 06:41.11 | Constitution | finishing up someone else's work is always tough |
| 06:41.29 | JeffM | well, what do you tink bzflag itself is ;) |
| 06:41.44 | Constitution | true :) |
| 06:42.54 | Constitution | but it can take months or years for new devs to get comfortable with the client and server code (although BZWB isn't so vast of a codebase) |
| 06:43.06 | JeffM | indeed |
| 06:43.14 | Constitution | would be nice to have it done though, for sure |
| 06:43.21 | JeffM | but any SoCer has the same task ahead of them |
| 06:43.38 | JeffM | many, if not most will not have any expreience in bzflag |
| 06:43.45 | JeffM | so they will have to learn it |
| 06:44.01 | JeffM | so the point is somewhat moot in just applying that logic to bzwb |
| 06:44.27 | JeffM | there are just less of us that know bzwb that is all |
| 06:44.34 | Constitution | true |
| 06:44.41 | JeffM | the task for the students is the same, learn A codebase, and do stuff to it. |
| 06:45.46 | JeffM | students from our comunity are a special case of course |
| 06:46.00 | Constitution | come to think of it, three of last year's projects did not deeply involve the client or server source code (bzrobots more so), while the one that did was done by an insider |
| 06:46.14 | JeffM | but for instance you taking on the bzwb, that would be the same as if a non comunity student were to change BZ |
| 06:46.25 | JeffM | or if you were to go into a proejct you are not involved with. |
| 06:46.34 | Constitution | yeah |
| 06:46.42 | JeffM | yes, we had many stand alone projects last year |
| 06:46.49 | JeffM | not all proejcts can be like that |
| 06:46.55 | JeffM | actualy robots wasn't standalone |
| 06:47.00 | JeffM | it existed before SoC |
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| 06:49.28 | JeffM | but I don't think you are intersted in BZWB |
| 06:49.36 | JeffM | and I don't think anyone else from our comunity will apply this year |
| 06:49.47 | Constitution | not terribly... I don't have much experience in GUI apps |
| 06:49.54 | JeffM | so BZWB is fair game for any student to the project |
| 06:53.42 | JeffM | and how will you get experience in GUIs if you don't work one one ;) |
| 06:55.22 | Constitution | well there's only so much time to decide what to do, learn how to do it, do it, and then make sure it works |
| 06:55.55 | JeffM | that is only true for the SoC, bzflag will be here before and after it ;) |
| 06:56.09 | JeffM | but you have to do what you are interested in doing as well |
| 07:00.31 | Constitution | the BZWB section on our GSoC wiki page could probably use a little expansion... it's a little sparse on details right now |
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| 07:00.42 | Constitution | what else is involved besides a GUI and mesh support? |
| 07:00.56 | JeffM | it's more then mesh |
| 07:01.10 | JeffM | it's "implement objects that are not implemented" |
| 07:01.31 | JeffM | meshes being the most signifigant |
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| 07:05.32 | JeffM | if it had that, then it is useable |
| 07:05.52 | L4m3r | to what degree do we want meshes implemented? |
| 07:06.01 | L4m3r | just manipulating them as objects? |
| 07:06.03 | JeffM | all it has to do is read them |
| 07:06.07 | JeffM | yeah |
| 07:06.10 | L4m3r | mmk |
| 07:06.11 | JeffM | move them in groups |
| 07:06.27 | L4m3r | meshes support 2.0 transformations directly, iirc |
| 07:06.32 | JeffM | be nice to have it able to merge in output from model tool |
| 07:06.59 | JeffM | eventualy have it import the obj diretly ( merge model tool into BZWB ) |
| 07:07.18 | JeffM | but for useablilty, just reading and displaying them is the basics |
| 07:07.30 | JeffM | and applying materials and stuff to them |
| 07:07.44 | JeffM | I don't think we should try to build a modeler ;) |
| 07:07.48 | L4m3r | yeah, like any other objects |
| 07:08.05 | L4m3r | that's what I was wondering :P |
| 07:08.10 | JeffM | I could see some special simple tools,like mirror, shear, etc.. |
| 07:08.17 | JeffM | very parametric stuff |
| 07:08.24 | JeffM | but that's all frosting |
| 07:08.27 | L4m3r | well, we can do all of that with transformations already |
| 07:08.34 | JeffM | can't mirror |
| 07:08.38 | L4m3r | sure you can |
| 07:08.49 | L4m3r | scale -1 1 1 :) |
| 07:08.50 | JeffM | scale by -1 dosn't reverse face order |
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| 07:08.56 | L4m3r | ah, true |
| 07:09.07 | JeffM | it'd be nice to have some that woudl burn it into the model |
| 07:09.17 | L4m3r | perhaps |
| 07:09.29 | JeffM | for the transforms that arn't easy or logical with ours |
| 07:09.40 | L4m3r | the existing transformation algorithms would be easy to write in too |
| 07:09.45 | JeffM | but yeah, we don't have to do scale, rotate, etc.. |
| 07:09.59 | JeffM | well we have to suport those for all objecs |
| 07:10.07 | JeffM | since we do them |
| 07:10.16 | JeffM | so for stuff like translate and roate, it may be silly |
| 07:10.23 | L4m3r | well yeah, but not in the sense of actually altering the model |
| 07:10.31 | JeffM | but other tools like auto LOD and stuff could be nice |
| 07:10.56 | JeffM | auto bbox computation, taking a stab at auto inside/outside points |
| 07:10.57 | Manu | brlcad: I was sleeping ;) |
| 07:11.02 | JeffM | there are things we can add later |
| 07:11.14 | JeffM | Manu: want to mentor for soc again this year? |
| 07:11.20 | Manu | yes |
| 07:11.37 | JeffM | /msg me your google/gmail account |
| 07:13.07 | JeffM | huzah |
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| 07:24.24 | L4m3r | hm... another nice (but slightly complex) option would be a "mesh merge" |
| 07:24.39 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r16728 10/trunk/bzworkbench/MSVC/ (VC7.1/BZWorkbench.vcproj VC8/BZWorkbench.vcproj): Fix a couple filenames/paths. |
| 07:24.48 | L4m3r | fuse two meshes together |
| 07:25.33 | JeffM | that's easy to do |
| 07:25.49 | L4m3r | maybe |
| 07:25.56 | JeffM | just add the lists, add the faces, reindex |
| 07:26.35 | L4m3r | and remove any redundant bits :) |
| 07:27.15 | L4m3r | but yeah, apparently meshes can be optimized that way |
| 07:27.48 | L4m3r | (according to trepan...) |
| 07:28.29 | JeffM | well sure, you don't want overlap |
| 07:28.45 | JeffM | you could do that manualy after the fact |
| 07:28.52 | JeffM | but merging the data is easy |
| 07:29.00 | L4m3r | no, I mean, even with independent meshes |
| 07:29.09 | JeffM | if you want to do an actual geometric add that's harder |
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| 07:29.24 | L4m3r | having a few large meshes is better performance-wise than a bunch of small ones |
| 07:29.27 | JeffM | reindex would get rid of any redundant verts, normals, or UVs |
| 07:29.29 | JeffM | that's what it does |
| 07:29.31 | L4m3r | even if they don't touch or anything |
| 07:29.45 | JeffM | then reindex would do that level of optimisation |
| 07:29.55 | JeffM | reindexing is easy to write, it just takes a while to run |
| 07:30.18 | JeffM | you make a new mesh, and add each face from the old to the new |
| 07:30.45 | JeffM | and you have a function that takes a vertex for instance, and retursn it's index |
| 07:31.06 | JeffM | so it checks the new mesh's list to see if that vert exists, if so, return that index |
| 07:31.11 | JeffM | if not add it |
| 07:31.19 | JeffM | then when you are done, you have no duped data |
| 07:31.31 | JeffM | model tool has a functiont to do it IIRC |
| 07:31.42 | JeffM | all the LODs are reindexed |
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| 08:04.52 | newbie8787 | anyone alive out here |
| 08:04.53 | newbie8787 | ? |
| 08:05.10 | Constitution | nope |
| 08:05.26 | newbie8787 | :D |
| 08:10.38 | think_tank | don't forget to change your clocks tonight. night everyone |
| 08:12.04 | Constitution | yay for Arizona :) |
| 08:27.41 | L4m3r | oh crap, we lose an hour. so much for getting up early. |
| 08:31.06 | newbie8787 | i have been trying to look up web pages to find some dev info for someone who has never worked on bzflag! no luck so far |
| 08:31.12 | newbie8787 | any hints? |
| 08:37.30 | L4m3r | what kind of dev info? |
| 08:42.16 | newbie8787 | basically API (i have developed a small game using irrlicht i understood the API there pretty easily , but the API on the Wiki page is like Hebrew to me) |
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| 09:03.48 | L4m3r | oh, the API, no wonder you're confused |
| 09:03.54 | L4m3r | the wiki isn't the greatest place to get documentation, unfortunately, because it's for the development version of the game |
| 09:14.54 | newbie8787 | so how do i go about it? |
| 09:15.34 | Constitution | your intention is to develop plugins for servers? |
| 09:16.00 | newbie8787 | yup , plugins enhancements that kinda stuff |
| 09:16.05 | newbie8787 | basically for gsoc |
| 09:17.30 | Constitution | a good first step would be to look at some of the plugins that are packaged with bzflag |
| 09:17.45 | Constitution | https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/plugins/ |
| 09:17.55 | L4m3r | plug-ins are VERY limited in what they can do, and will not teach you very much about the codebase, to be honest (I know this from experience :P ) |
| 09:18.07 | Constitution | yeah |
| 09:18.15 | newbie8787 | one really important question , what kind of graphics lib does bzflag use??? or does it have its own lib? |
| 09:18.23 | L4m3r | oh my... |
| 09:18.38 | L4m3r | it has its own engine |
| 09:19.03 | L4m3r | though some of the developers insist that calling bzflag's graphics system and engine is an insult to real gfx engines :) |
| 09:19.10 | newbie8787 | now why would NO-ONE mention it on the dev page |
| 09:19.57 | L4m3r | probably because no one wants to say "Oh, bzflag has a terrible graphics system..." :P |
| 09:20.10 | newbie8787 | :D |
| 09:20.43 | L4m3r | bzflag is over a decade old, so the code can be rather... fun to work with |
| 09:20.54 | newbie8787 | kk where can i find the API for this engine? |
| 09:21.01 | L4m3r | there is none |
| 09:21.07 | newbie8787 | whoa |
| 09:21.22 | L4m3r | there's an API for bzfs... the server. |
| 09:21.31 | newbie8787 | kk |
| 09:21.34 | L4m3r | which has no graphics system, for obvious reasons |
| 09:21.36 | L4m3r | :) |
| 09:21.42 | Constitution | it's not an "engine" in that sense, anyway |
| 09:21.53 | L4m3r | yeah, it's mixed in with the game logic |
| 09:22.10 | newbie8787 | sorry if my questions seem really nooby , but i am what my scrn-name says |
| 09:22.22 | newbie8787 | wow!! now thats creepy |
| 09:22.36 | L4m3r | oh dear, it seems that a SF page has locked up my desktop |
| 09:22.36 | Constitution | although a client-side API has been discussed before... an implementation with Python or something might work out well |
| 09:22.51 | L4m3r | heh |
| 09:23.02 | L4m3r | it's been discussed but I'm not sure to what end |
| 09:23.05 | newbie8787 | so if one talks about 3d engine integration , they are talking about revamping the whole graphics system? |
| 09:23.17 | L4m3r | yeah... |
| 09:23.23 | L4m3r | wait, is that even on the page? |
| 09:23.28 | Constitution | Jeff pulled it |
| 09:23.35 | L4m3r | it seemed that the consensus was that it was too much for one project |
| 09:23.53 | newbie8787 | am i right ? |
| 09:24.01 | Constitution | there are so many things that need to happen first that it would be a monsterous undertaking |
| 09:24.01 | L4m3r | yes |
| 09:24.15 | L4m3r | so now it's two... separating the current graphics "system" from the rest of the code, and then integrating it into a new engine |
| 09:24.20 | newbie8787 | no wonder it cannot be worked on |
| 09:24.40 | L4m3r | yeah, it's not that we wouldn't love to have it... it's just way too much :) |
| 09:24.59 | newbie8787 | i mean first one would have to manually separate the graphics and game logic |
| 09:25.09 | newbie8787 | and then recode them in another engine?? |
| 09:25.29 | newbie8787 | thats way too much for 5 projects combined!!! |
| 09:25.31 | L4m3r | yes... that's why each of those steps is its own project |
| 09:25.34 | L4m3r | lol |
| 09:25.40 | newbie8787 | :D |
| 09:25.42 | L4m3r | like I said, the game is ancient |
| 09:26.22 | L4m3r | have you played the game at all? fwiw, the graphics are pretty simple |
| 09:26.24 | newbie8787 | but if there is no proper documentation , how does a noob like me go about reading the source? |
| 09:26.40 | newbie8787 | i have , not too much though |
| 09:26.55 | newbie8787 | and yeah i did see that the graphics are really simple |
| 09:27.09 | newbie8787 | basic colours and polys |
| 09:27.48 | L4m3r | gsoc has a priming period of a few weeks to allow students to familiarize themselves with the code. Beyond that, asking questions when the main devs are awake would probably get you a long way |
| 09:28.28 | Constitution | the code itself is decently commented, so it wouldn't hurt to poke around :) |
| 09:28.42 | newbie8787 | i have not worked on too many game projects , so i think that testing the patience of the main devs is not advisable |
| 09:30.51 | newbie8787 | btw in the limited experience i have had with the game i noticed that it does not allow for voice chat (i think), is a plugin available for such a service? |
| 09:30.59 | L4m3r | testing their patience is a matter of your own approach. they're not going to mind questions if you're polite and tactful :P |
| 09:31.30 | newbie8787 | kk , i'll try to talk to sean next time hes around |
| 09:31.32 | L4m3r | voice chat is left to third-party applications, usually |
| 09:32.23 | L4m3r | there are no client-side plug-ins, so there wouldn't be any way to integrate voice chat end-to-end |
| 09:32.49 | newbie8787 | oh and the gui was running reallllllly slowly on my system, was it my computer or the gui system that was slowing the stuff down? |
| 09:33.04 | L4m3r | which gui? |
| 09:33.15 | newbie8787 | all the plugins are supposedly serv side? |
| 09:33.21 | L4m3r | yes |
| 09:33.22 | newbie8787 | the in game menu |
| 09:33.30 | L4m3r | well... hard to say |
| 09:33.50 | L4m3r | in my experience, MOTD tends to hang the client, at least on linux |
| 09:34.05 | newbie8787 | sorry MOTD ??? |
| 09:34.06 | L4m3r | so there's a long hang at startup |
| 09:34.16 | L4m3r | message of the day... it loads every time you start the client |
| 09:34.24 | newbie8787 | and i was using windows |
| 09:34.27 | L4m3r | hm... |
| 09:34.31 | newbie8787 | at the time |
| 09:34.42 | L4m3r | well that's no good. did you build it yourself? |
| 09:34.49 | newbie8787 | nope |
| 09:34.59 | newbie8787 | working towards building it now |
| 09:35.06 | newbie8787 | while talking to u |
| 09:35.06 | L4m3r | there might be a slight hang for MOTD, but the rest of it should work well... are you on a decent system? |
| 09:35.27 | newbie8787 | well it has a 64bit dual core intel proc |
| 09:35.48 | L4m3r | weird |
| 09:35.59 | newbie8787 | 512 + 216 mb of ram (although i think 512 shud be enuf for bz) |
| 09:36.14 | newbie8787 | also a 64 mb graphics card ATI |
| 09:36.14 | L4m3r | what video card? |
| 09:36.27 | L4m3r | hm... should be plenty, but it could also be a weak point |
| 09:36.56 | L4m3r | funky, you'll have to ask in the morning :) |
| 09:37.04 | newbie8787 | how much graphics mem would u recommend? |
| 09:37.47 | newbie8787 | actually i am in india , so morning there , means night here!! |
| 09:38.15 | L4m3r | I don't think it's an issue of memory so much as the age of the card... I'd imagine that 64MB cards haven't been made in a while |
| 09:38.55 | L4m3r | ah, heh. Well, activity for bzflag generally corresponds to the waking hours of the Americas :) |
| 09:39.36 | newbie8787 | yup but once again ... i am in india graphics cards are much of a luxury than a commodity in comps here |
| 09:40.16 | newbie8787 | i am mostly active during the night , will try to check in then! |
| 09:41.00 | newbie8787 | btw i cant seem to find instructions for building the game from the source (i just d'loaded it), any clues? |
| 09:41.26 | L4m3r | there are included readme files for various OSes in the source distribution |
| 09:41.53 | L4m3r | tbh I've never built bzflag under Windows |
| 09:42.26 | newbie8787 | naah , am using fedora now |
| 09:42.40 | newbie8787 | i think i found the instructions tho |
| 09:44.51 | newbie8787 | so the end result is , if i wanna develop something for bz , i'll have to ask around?? no proper documentation is available? |
| 09:46.41 | newbie8787 | lamer u there? |
| 09:50.32 | L4m3r | yeah... other than code comments, not really |
| 09:51.05 | newbie8787 | building the game now |
| 09:51.29 | L4m3r | mmk... I take it you've got all the GL libs and whatnot, right? |
| 09:51.41 | newbie8787 | yup gtk and stuff? |
| 09:51.58 | newbie8787 | right? |
| 09:52.01 | L4m3r | gtk? no |
| 09:52.05 | L4m3r | GL |
| 09:52.11 | L4m3r | gl.h, etc |
| 09:52.12 | newbie8787 | oh sorry |
| 09:52.15 | newbie8787 | yeah |
| 09:52.19 | L4m3r | mmk :) |
| 09:52.40 | newbie8787 | but doesnt GL come inbuilt with linux distros too? |
| 09:53.01 | newbie8787 | or am i missing a link herE? |
| 09:53.09 | L4m3r | depends on the distro |
| 09:53.23 | newbie8787 | fedora core 7 |
| 09:53.39 | L4m3r | debian, for instance, comes with working GL, but you need to install dev packages for some of the libraries |
| 09:54.08 | L4m3r | so yes, GL works out of the box, but building something with GL takes additional packages |
| 09:54.30 | newbie8787 | that .... i'll have to find out |
| 09:54.49 | newbie8787 | i have never used gl for graphics b4 |
| 09:54.55 | newbie8787 | only irrlicht |
| 09:55.30 | L4m3r | well, configure would have told you that you aren't building a client if something you need isn't there |
| 09:56.12 | newbie8787 | it didnt |
| 09:56.43 | newbie8787 | configure completed without any errors |
| 09:56.55 | L4m3r | not necessarily an error |
| 09:57.06 | L4m3r | at the end it lists what you're going to get after the build |
| 09:57.11 | L4m3r | client, server, bzadmin, etc |
| 09:57.16 | newbie8787 | nothing about unresolved dependencies either |
| 09:57.37 | newbie8787 | yup it gave 4 items i think |
| 09:58.47 | newbie8787 | but make install is giving me an error |
| 09:59.07 | L4m3r | did you do it as root? |
| 09:59.16 | newbie8787 | ohhhh shit |
| 09:59.18 | newbie8787 | nope |
| 09:59.19 | L4m3r | :) |
| 09:59.21 | newbie8787 | forgot |
| 09:59.47 | newbie8787 | it never asked for root privelages |
| 09:59.57 | newbie8787 | i usually avoid using irc as root |
| 10:00.09 | L4m3r | no no, you only need to run make install as root |
| 10:00.27 | L4m3r | don't you have sudo? |
| 10:00.30 | newbie8787 | kk then , be back in a jiff |
| 10:00.35 | L4m3r | >_< |
| 10:00.36 | Manu | :) |
| 10:00.45 | L4m3r | hello Manu |
| 10:00.51 | Manu | hi L4m3r :) |
| 10:01.46 | newbie8787 | hi thr Manu |
| 10:01.54 | Manu | hi newbie8787 |
| 10:01.59 | newbie8787 | Manu is an indian name , u from india? |
| 10:02.13 | newbie8787 | i mean it has a hindi meaning |
| 10:02.16 | Manu | is not only indian :) |
| 10:02.25 | Manu | and nope, I'm spanish |
| 10:02.31 | newbie8787 | kk |
| 10:02.44 | newbie8787 | i have like 5 friends here called "Manu" |
| 10:02.50 | Manu | but I like the indian mean ;) |
| 10:03.03 | L4m3r | heh... what does it mean in Hindi? |
| 10:03.11 | newbie8787 | u know what it means in hindi manu? |
| 10:03.26 | Manu | L4m3r: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manu |
| 10:03.38 | Manu | newbie8787: I guess yes |
| 10:03.56 | Manu | errr this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manu_%28Hinduism%29 |
| 10:04.00 | newbie8787 | ahh wiki |
| 10:04.18 | newbie8787 | its easy to forget that info is so easily available |
| 10:04.19 | Manu | Manu is the progenitor of humankind my son ;) |
| 10:04.26 | newbie8787 | :D |
| 10:04.30 | newbie8787 | =)) |
| 10:04.58 | newbie8787 | what does it mean in spanish? |
| 10:05.10 | Manu | is a short for a common name: Manuel |
| 10:05.55 | Manu | and means: God with us |
| 10:06.42 | L4m3r | heh... is it ever spoken that way, Manu? I can't really picture someone saying "Manu" in Spanish... though I am not familiar with Castellano |
| 10:07.06 | newbie8787 | ohhhhh |
| 10:07.07 | Manu | L4m3r: Manu is really common in Spain |
| 10:07.35 | Manu | it's Hebrew |
| 10:07.46 | Manu | but my name isn't Manu :) |
| 10:07.52 | Manu | just my bzflag nick |
| 10:07.52 | L4m3r | heh |
| 10:08.19 | Manu | it was the name of a friend of my son |
| 10:08.39 | Manu | I was teaching him to play bzflag (years ago) and I left that name in the client |
| 10:08.40 | newbie8787 | guys , i dont use linux that much |
| 10:08.42 | Manu | till now ;) |
| 10:08.53 | newbie8787 | can u tell me how to login as root in the Konsole |
| 10:08.55 | newbie8787 | ? |
| 10:09.05 | Manu | enter: su |
| 10:09.13 | Manu | or su - |
| 10:09.21 | Manu | it will ask you for the root password |
| 10:09.26 | newbie8787 | thanks |
| 10:09.32 | L4m3r | you also may or may not have sudo installed, which is usually more convenient |
| 10:09.47 | newbie8787 | nope |
| 10:09.54 | L4m3r | sudo allows you to run a command as root without actually logging in first, i.e. run "sudo make install" |
| 10:10.05 | L4m3r | it will ask you for your password |
| 10:10.11 | newbie8787 | sudo is available in unbuntu and likes if i am not mistaken? |
| 10:10.33 | Manu | sudo is the default in Ubuntu, no root account |
| 10:10.41 | Manu | really no root password |
| 10:10.59 | newbie8787 | yeah... i found that really irksome about ubuntu |
| 10:11.03 | L4m3r | really? they lock the root password? |
| 10:11.17 | newbie8787 | yeah |
| 10:11.24 | Manu | yes, you can do: sudo su to become root too ;) |
| 10:11.27 | L4m3r | it's not so much that they remove the account |
| 10:11.38 | L4m3r | I'm pretty sure you can just use sudo passwd |
| 10:11.39 | newbie8787 | it has no root account i believe |
| 10:11.49 | L4m3r | Knoppix does it that way for instance |
| 10:11.54 | Manu | yes it has a root user |
| 10:11.59 | Manu | but need to set a password |
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| 10:12.09 | L4m3r | yeah, exactly like knoppix then |
| 10:12.34 | L4m3r | more secure, in a sense... no one can pwn the box by cracking root |
| 10:12.50 | Manu | heh, no need, they can crack your user ;) |
| 10:12.58 | Manu | easier than root :-p |
| 10:13.02 | newbie8787 | alright ppl completed the installation process !! "where do i double click :D??" |
| 10:13.19 | L4m3r | yes, but they may or may not have to figure out your username first... depending on the attack |
| 10:13.33 | L4m3r | newbie8787: run 'bzflag' in a terminal and cross your fingers |
| 10:13.48 | Manu | your toes too ;) |
| 10:15.27 | L4m3r | I guess it worked, and now he's busy playing :) |
| 10:15.34 | Manu | hehe |
| 10:15.49 | L4m3r | heh... I've always been slightly annoyed at having to set up sudo every time I install debian |
| 10:15.55 | Manu | BTW, he doesn't need to install bzflag to play :) |
| 10:15.59 | L4m3r | but it beats the ubuntu way... yeesh |
| 10:16.11 | Manu | just copy the bzflag executable and the data dir |
| 10:16.23 | L4m3r | or run it right where it's at |
| 10:16.31 | Manu | in ubuntu he can use checkinstall too |
| 10:16.32 | L4m3r | but I figured that using the install script would be easier |
| 10:16.41 | Manu | to build a pseudo debian package |
| 10:16.43 | L4m3r | he's on fedora |
| 10:16.48 | Manu | ah |
| 10:16.48 | L4m3r | (ew) |
| 10:16.51 | Manu | well too |
| 10:17.00 | L4m3r | heh, I hope it didn't crash his box |
| 10:17.02 | Manu | IIRC checkinstall also works for rpm |
| 10:17.19 | Manu | now probably he computer is in fire ;) |
| 10:17.19 | utrrrongeeb | Has anyone here any experience using BZFlag on dial-up? (I've asked this before -- I'm trying to get multiple opinions...) |
| 10:17.38 | Manu | utrrrongeeb: I used it, but it was years ago and it was a PITA ;) |
| 10:17.45 | Manu | now may be worse I guess |
| 10:17.49 | L4m3r | dialup works well enough for very small games |
| 10:17.55 | L4m3r | like, 2v2 at the most iirc |
| 10:18.06 | Manu | 2vs2 and 2 bullets :) |
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| 10:18.17 | L4m3r | heh, ducati then |
| 10:18.20 | newbie8787 | yay it worked |
| 10:18.29 | Manu | congrats newbie8787 :) |
| 10:18.32 | newbie8787 | but the bad news is |
| 10:18.35 | L4m3r | scared us there... we thought your computer might've exploded |
| 10:18.51 | newbie8787 | it was tooooooooooooo slow to be playable |
| 10:19.04 | Manu | do you have 3D acceleration? |
| 10:19.08 | newbie8787 | also it logged me out and crashed all of my running apps |
| 10:19.14 | L4m3r | ah. that depends on a lot of issues, 3D accel being the most pressing one |
| 10:19.19 | newbie8787 | yeah a 64 mb graphics card |
| 10:19.23 | utrrrongeeb | Manu, L4m3r: Thanks - 2 more somewhat negatives... This connections gets to 24 or 26 kbps - Any idea what yours was? |
| 10:19.36 | Manu | and 3ÇD drivers installed and working newbie8787 ? |
| 10:19.49 | newbie8787 | 3cd ????? now whats that? |
| 10:20.05 | Manu | utrrrongeeb: mine was 56K |
| 10:20.05 | L4m3r | 3D drivers, newbie8787 |
| 10:20.12 | newbie8787 | yup |
| 10:20.13 | Manu | 3D |
| 10:20.29 | newbie8787 | my card is installed and configured |
| 10:20.30 | newbie8787 | ! |
| 10:20.31 | L4m3r | you're sure about that? it can be tricky |
| 10:20.35 | newbie8787 | yeah i know\ |
| 10:20.41 | L4m3r | hm... |
| 10:20.47 | Manu | newbie8787: just run glxgears and report us how many FPS |
| 10:20.48 | newbie8787 | i followed the whole procedure |
| 10:20.51 | utrrrongeeb | newbie8787: Do other 3D games run fast? |
| 10:20.58 | L4m3r | Manu, do you think SDL would help? |
| 10:21.07 | newbie8787 | never ran any 3d game on linux before |
| 10:21.20 | Manu | L4m3r: can be due a lot of issues |
| 10:21.30 | Manu | like no Dev package installed |
| 10:21.39 | Manu | for gl I mean |
| 10:21.59 | L4m3r | I think configure will exclude the client if it can't find gl |
| 10:21.59 | newbie8787 | kk , links to the dev package wud be highly appreciated |
| 10:22.28 | Manu | what's your graphic card newbie8787? |
| 10:22.33 | L4m3r | frankly, I've no idea. you'll want GL dev and SDL dev, though |
| 10:22.36 | newbie8787 | its ATI |
| 10:22.53 | Manu | and what drivers are you using? |
| 10:23.21 | newbie8787 | and i have ran a fair no. of heavy games on windows (splinter cell) for eg |
| 10:23.24 | Manu | L4m3r: IIRC you can run bzflag with mesa (software acceleration) |
| 10:23.34 | newbie8787 | or prince of persia warrior within |
| 10:23.56 | Manu | that's windows.. we are talking about Fedora no? |
| 10:24.12 | newbie8787 | well i guess the ATI drivers coz i installed them from the ATI site |
| 10:24.22 | newbie8787 | yeah we are talking about fedora now |
| 10:24.24 | Manu | open a console and run: glxgears |
| 10:24.47 | newbie8787 | i was just making out that i dun think that the card is too low to run bz |
| 10:24.52 | newbie8787 | kk wiill do manu |
| 10:24.55 | Manu | bb in 5 minutes. :/ |
| 10:26.04 | newbie8787 | ran glxgears |
| 10:26.14 | newbie8787 | it gives about 703 fps |
| 10:26.20 | newbie8787 | average |
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| 10:28.29 | newbie8787 | manu , lamer ??? u ther? |
| 10:28.49 | newbie8787 | i ran it again , once more it crashed all my apps |
| 10:28.52 | L4m3r | hm... |
| 10:29.09 | newbie8787 | and glxgears gave me 703 fps as an average |
| 10:30.01 | L4m3r | well, you've got me |
| 10:30.08 | newbie8787 | no idea? |
| 10:30.15 | L4m3r | nope :\ |
| 10:30.25 | newbie8787 | why o why :( |
| 10:30.26 | L4m3r | I need to go to sleep... sorry I couldn't be more helpful |
| 10:30.32 | newbie8787 | hey no probs |
| 10:30.40 | newbie8787 | hope to see you around |
| 10:30.44 | newbie8787 | good night |
| 10:30.47 | L4m3r | good luck... more people should be awake in 6~8 hours |
| 10:30.59 | newbie8787 | kk , will be around then |
| 10:33.22 | newbie8787 | Manu , u on yet? |
| 10:36.51 | Manu | back |
| 10:37.12 | Manu | 703 fps is not too much |
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| 10:45.04 | newbie8787 | what do u think is recommended for bz manu??? |
| 10:45.18 | newbie8787 | i mean fps |
| 10:45.32 | Manu | over 1000 :) |
| 10:45.51 | Manu | I get 800 fps in my graphic card without 3D acceleration so I guess you aren't using it |
| 10:46.26 | newbie8787 | ohhh |
| 10:46.35 | newbie8787 | how do i turn it on then? |
| 10:46.42 | newbie8787 | any hints? |
| 10:47.15 | Manu | probably yo must install the ati drivers |
| 10:47.41 | newbie8787 | i have done so |
| 10:47.48 | newbie8787 | i vividly remember doing it |
| 10:48.24 | newbie8787 | any way to check that? |
| 10:49.00 | Manu | I mean the Ati closed source drivers, not the open source one |
| 10:49.23 | Manu | fglrx IIRC |
| 10:50.32 | newbie8787 | ohk... i guess i need to purchase these? |
| 10:50.40 | newbie8787 | or are they available for free? |
| 10:51.19 | Manu | available for free |
| 10:51.32 | newbie8787 | kk , i'll try to look em up |
| 10:51.37 | Manu | but closed source :) |
| 10:52.12 | Manu | probably you may look at fedora forums about how to install it ;) |
| 10:52.16 | Manu | I'm not Fedora user |
| 10:52.24 | newbie8787 | kk , will do |
| 10:52.33 | newbie8787 | thanks for the help manu |
| 10:52.44 | Manu | np :) |
| 10:52.56 | Manu | I hope see you playing bzflag :) |
| 10:53.12 | newbie8787 | hey how do i give the purple coloured msgs in irc? |
| 10:53.38 | newbie8787 | dun wanna play it basically !!! i wanna participate in gsoc |
| 10:54.04 | Manu | newbie8787: usually is not a good idea to use colored messages |
| 10:54.23 | Manu | but you can use the colour codes for that |
| 10:54.38 | newbie8787 | naah i mean sometimes ppl say things like |
| 10:54.41 | newbie8787 | << is sleepy |
| 10:54.57 | newbie8787 | yup |
| 10:54.58 | Manu | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:55.03 | newbie8787 | ohk |
| 10:55.16 | newbie8787 | cool |
| 10:55.19 | Manu | :) |
| 10:55.20 | newbie8787 | new to using irc |
| 10:55.41 | Manu | ~pinch newbie8787 |
| 10:55.41 | ibot | ACTION scuttles after newbie8787, pinches him, and then scuttles away |
| 10:55.51 | Manu | ~coffee newbie8787 |
| 10:55.51 | ibot | ACTION steals some of MattP's special coffee and gives it to newbie8787 on a silver platter. |
| 10:56.21 | newbie8787 | :D |
| 10:56.32 | newbie8787 | well i gotta go sleep |
| 10:56.43 | newbie8787 | see u guys around ! |
| 10:56.50 | Manu | have nice dreams newbie8787 :) |
| 10:56.57 | newbie8787 | kk , ty |
| 10:57.00 | newbie8787 | bye\ |
| 10:57.04 | Manu | cu |
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| 11:15.53 | bz83 | hello people |
| 11:16.07 | bz83 | hello people |
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| 11:16.40 | bz83 | i have a problem with bz |
| 11:17.18 | bz83 | last night rules ok, but now when launch the game the charcater on the menu are corrupted |
| 11:19.07 | bz83 | somebody knows? |
| 11:21.23 | bz83 | someone could help me? |
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| 11:25.12 | delusional | BZ83... is that a downloaded client or a CVS of trunk? |
| 11:25.34 | delusional | you got it from sourceforge? |
| 11:26.16 | bz83 | i got from packman |
| 11:26.47 | bz83 | its posible that a actualization of kd3 give me the trouble? |
| 11:27.17 | bz83 | sorry my english... |
| 11:27.43 | bz83 | i hav ecompiz fusion too |
| 11:27.47 | delusional | i don't know about any of that.. the easiest fix would probably to get a new copy from sourceforge. |
| 11:28.09 | bz83 | k txs |
| 11:30.30 | delusional | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3248 |
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| 12:15.47 | torskerogn | :) |
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| 12:46.24 | jftsang | is there a BZFS API function which sets the score of a player in 2.0? |
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| 12:53.01 | bz48 | he, im the same who has the graphics corrupted, the problem was that in the nvidia configuration I had put on most quickly, I changed to more beautiful and the prolbem dissapears. I tell this if someone take the same in the future. Thxs and byes |
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| 14:27.12 | Winny | Anyone in here against having rotating header images on the site? |
| 14:28.40 | whodaman | hm, I think JeffM also wants that for the new phpbb3 theme |
| 14:28.53 | whodaman | So, might be cool to have it for both? |
| 14:29.18 | whodaman | Winny, you mean, like on mybzflag.net ? |
| 14:29.28 | Winny | sortofish |
| 14:29.35 | Winny | except with art, not screenshots |
| 14:29.41 | whodaman | yeah |
| 14:29.56 | whodaman | same principal |
| 14:38.08 | Winny | I guess today I get to do the fixes for IE 6.. oh boy |
| 14:52.39 | jorgenpt | rofl, I love how organizing a computer party for ~5000 attendees can have so many unclear fields one week before it. |
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| 16:14.35 | newbie8787 | Manu ?? u there? |
| 16:18.25 | blast007 | hi |
| 16:19.12 | spldart | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.52 | brlcad | ~fishslap newbie8787 |
| 16:21.52 | ibot | ACTION slaps newbie8787 up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 16:22.19 | newbie8787 | why so ??? what did i do? |
| 16:22.43 | brlcad | why ????? you maybe ??? use too many "?"'s |
| 16:23.01 | newbie8787 | ok , o wont now |
| 16:23.08 | newbie8787 | *ok , i wont now |
| 16:23.26 | brlcad | appreciated |
| 16:27.09 | spldart | Umm... Did you have a query or something newbie8787? |
| 16:28.17 | newbie8787 | i did , but i solved it myself just as i was about to ask the question |
| 16:30.31 | blast007 | hehe |
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| 16:40.41 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r16729 10/trunk/web/submitimages/ (config.php.example templates/email_upload.tpl): Revert r16727. Using the baseURL plus the filename is fine, and that is how it is done elsewhere in the code. |
| 16:49.21 | Wyk3d | libcurl is used for global authentication and accessing the list server right ? |
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| 16:50.42 | JeffM | sup |
| 16:51.03 | blast007 | Wyk3d: yes |
| 16:51.04 | brlcad | he is awake |
| 16:51.21 | JeffM | barely |
| 16:51.22 | blast007 | Wyk3d: and for downloading textures and map cache files |
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| 16:52.20 | Wyk3d | and libcurl connects to the same website for all of that ? |
| 16:52.29 | blast007 | no |
| 16:52.50 | blast007 | list and auth is my.bzflag.org/db/ |
| 16:53.21 | blast007 | texutes by default in 2.0.x is *.bzflag.or, but is only images.bzflag.org in 2.99.x (controlled via downloadaccess.txt) |
| 16:53.28 | blast007 | and map cache can be anywhere |
| 16:53.59 | Wyk3d | ok thanks :) |
| 16:57.21 | JeffM | blast007: I'm hoping we can move all non org domains to .net before 3.0 as well |
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| 17:30.26 | spldart | Ok... other than some chores around the house.. what do I do now ;-) |
| 17:30.35 | brlcad | ~dance |
| 17:30.35 | ibot | Sir! Too much booty in the pants, sir! |
| 17:30.44 | spldart | LOL |
| 17:31.19 | Winny | ~shake |
| 17:31.20 | ibot | ACTION shakes his booty all over town |
| 17:32.07 | Winny | haha |
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| 17:37.53 | douglash_ | Patlabor221: http://cosbybebop.ytmnd.com/ |
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| 17:42.50 | JeffM | whoa.... |
| 17:42.53 | spldart | ? |
| 17:42.54 | JeffM | that's an old name |
| 17:48.51 | JeffM | a name more clumsy and random then this one |
| 17:49.03 | JeffM | a name from before the empire, from a more civilised age |
| 17:50.32 | JeffM | oh I did some looking into getting hats made too, they are not cheap |
| 17:50.44 | JeffM | so far we'd have to sell them for like 25$ |
| 17:52.16 | blast007 | sell sew-on patches for hats ;) |
| 17:52.21 | blast007 | (or other stuff) |
| 17:52.41 | JeffM | it's sadly not the cost of the hat that jacks up the price, but the embrodery |
| 17:52.46 | blast007 | ah |
| 17:52.56 | spldart | Being a fanatic @ some degree I'd probably by the hat at that price.. but only barely |
| 17:53.45 | JeffM | yeah, that was on a fully automated site that was somewhat higher cost at shirts then the place I'm looking at, so I can assume there may be a place to get hats cheaper |
| 17:54.10 | JeffM | I can also call an old friend if I need to, his mom used to run a bis that did the embrodery |
| 17:54.43 | spldart | woah... I just thought of it... |
| 17:55.23 | spldart | We have a small family custom t-shirt business just off eldridge not but 1.2 miles from my house... I outta ask in there just outta curiosity |
| 17:55.33 | JeffM | sure |
| 17:56.00 | spldart | I'll them soon.. being a family place they are closed sunday |
| 17:56.06 | blast007 | http://www.patches4less.com/pricing.htm |
| 17:56.08 | spldart | I'll 'try' them soon hehe |
| 17:56.30 | JeffM | for shirts we are looking at like 50 shirts, dark color, with a 2 color silkscreen on the back, and a one color small screen on the sleve |
| 17:56.42 | spldart | k |
| 17:56.44 | JeffM | blast007: my EYES! |
| 17:56.52 | blast007 | hehe |
| 17:57.49 | blast007 | hmm, looks like that same company goes by at least two names: http://www.wholesale-patches.com/pricing.htm |
| 17:58.14 | JeffM | well THAT is a better color |
| 17:58.19 | blast007 | yeah ;) |
| 17:59.06 | JeffM | that may not be too bad, blow 100$ on patches |
| 17:59.15 | JeffM | I don't know how popular those would be |
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| 17:59.50 | JeffM | I'd rather do stickers first, see how they sell |
| 18:00.00 | spldart | I don't know if I'm wrong but I don't think patches would do well |
| 18:00.10 | JeffM | I don't think so ether |
| 18:01.11 | spldart | I used to compete on Rockford Fosgate Team America... I spent my money on shirts, pins, a jacket etc... but not on patches... Well.. the stuff that I paid for.. gotta lot for free too |
| 18:01.50 | spldart | Even a coozie and a collapsable beer cooler |
| 18:02.08 | JeffM | heh |
| 18:02.17 | spldart | ooOOoo... a BZFlag coozie might be nice for later if the store takes off at all |
| 18:02.25 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:02.30 | JeffM | I found a place that does those |
| 18:03.07 | spldart | ;-) |
| 18:03.33 | JeffM | it'll be interesting to see what saturos comes up with |
| 18:03.40 | JeffM | for a shirt design |
| 18:03.51 | JeffM | aperantly he's done a number of shirt designs for other people in the past |
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| 18:04.31 | spldart | brb |
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| 18:05.13 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r16730 10/trunk/bzworkbench/MSVC/VC7.1/BZWorkbench.vcproj: Fix the header file locations, organize them, and add any that were missing. |
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| 18:07.59 | JeffM | oh hey blast007 you know that script you did for the CIA feeds into blogspot? |
| 18:08.08 | blast007 | yeah |
| 18:08.33 | JeffM | would it be hard to have it take a paramater for what user or project to display? |
| 18:08.49 | JeffM | cus when we start I'd like the blog to also show the commits per student |
| 18:09.09 | blast007 | should be easy |
| 18:09.13 | JeffM | coo |
| 18:09.27 | blast007 | let me check what feeds they have |
| 18:09.27 | JeffM | I didn't think it would be hard, but I am not smart in the ways of the tubes |
| 18:09.35 | blast007 | I belive they have per-username commit feeds |
| 18:09.39 | JeffM | yes |
| 18:09.41 | JeffM | per project |
| 18:09.42 | JeffM | and per user |
| 18:10.15 | JeffM | http://cia.vc/stats/author/jeffm2501/.rss that's my feed |
| 18:10.26 | blast007 | yup |
| 18:10.54 | blast007 | where is the script at? |
| 18:11.03 | JeffM | I put it on .bz |
| 18:11.20 | JeffM | my.b.o /hosted/staff/soc/scripts IIRC |
| 18:11.25 | blast007 | k |
| 18:11.46 | blast007 | or not |
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| 18:12.05 | JeffM | let me check the blog |
| 18:12.12 | blast007 | found it |
| 18:12.17 | blast007 | (on the blog) ;) |
| 18:12.22 | JeffM | k |
| 18:12.27 | JeffM | ahh, no hosted |
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| 18:12.44 | JeffM | figured that was a decent place to host it |
| 18:13.16 | JeffM | hey Winny want to do me a favor? |
| 18:13.18 | JeffM | :) |
| 18:14.23 | JeffM | it involves blender :) |
| 18:14.40 | JeffM | and tons of whitespace |
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| 18:23.02 | blast007 | JeffM: done |
| 18:23.35 | blast007 | ex: http://my.bzflag.org/staff/soc/scripts/ciarss.php?user=jeffm2501 |
| 18:23.35 | JeffM | blast007: thanks |
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| 18:24.24 | blast007 | without a user, i falls back to the project |
| 18:24.24 | blast007 | it* |
| 18:24.24 | JeffM | sweet |
| 18:24.27 | JeffM | that should help track the students at a glance :) |
| 18:24.42 | blast007 | it also cache the feeds for 5 minutes now |
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| 18:28.27 | spldart | Ok.. It's called Corredor Concepts. Open Mon-Thur closed fri-sun and sat is by appt only. unprofesional looking on the outside but I see tons of deliveries there |
| 18:28.48 | spldart | No info on web except their addy |
| 18:28.48 | blast007 | line 21 of Ground.cpp in BZWB: |
| 18:28.48 | blast007 | size = size; |
| 18:28.48 | spldart | Like I said.. I'll check them tomorrow or real soon |
| 18:28.48 | blast007 | is that there for some reason...? |
| 18:28.48 | JeffM | see what you can find out. we are looking to pay like 8$ per shirt |
| 18:29.00 | JeffM | plus whatever there is shiping |
| 18:29.00 | JeffM | and the dude takes paypal |
| 18:29.18 | JeffM | blast007: to make sure it is REALY set |
| 18:29.28 | spldart | Nice thing is we could potentially save shipping costs if I pickup and drive the stuff down to our local shipping express place |
| 18:29.29 | JeffM | probalby used to be a computation |
| 18:29.36 | JeffM | then he took out the calc but left the line |
| 18:30.05 | JeffM | spldart: those places ream you, I'm looking at UPS ground |
| 18:30.15 | spldart | ic K |
| 18:30.23 | JeffM | and I've asked for a quote |
| 18:30.28 | JeffM | so we can find out and compare :) |
| 18:30.36 | spldart | Well.... I could ship from work as well :) |
| 18:30.45 | spldart | In case they want to much |
| 18:30.46 | JeffM | that may help |
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| 18:31.01 | spldart | We get UPS, Fedex and DHL every day |
| 18:31.29 | JeffM | DHL is evil |
| 18:31.33 | spldart | hehe |
| 18:32.07 | spldart | It actually sickens me how many replacement plasma and lcd screens those shippers have smashed |
| 18:32.33 | JeffM | they subcontract to hobos |
| 18:32.43 | JeffM | my dad got a DHL delivery from some lady in an RV |
| 18:49.39 | spldart | I got to much time on my hands and am doin silly things....Like googling the satellite photo for that shirt place I mentioned. I'm gonna do some cleaning brb |
| 18:49.57 | JeffM | heh |
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| 18:57.10 | ts | JeffM: Why is DHL evil? |
| 19:01.32 | JeffM | ts: because here they are the worst shipper, they have things stolen and don't care, break things, etc.. |
| 19:02.05 | JeffM | UPS and fedex are MUCH better |
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| 19:09.05 | ts | I've heard different about DHL here |
| 19:12.14 | spldart | Dhl hasn't been consistent here |
| 19:12.25 | spldart | I generally use ups |
| 19:12.35 | JeffM | it's probably just how the difrent branches are run |
| 19:12.59 | JeffM | but when a package gets lost, as a shiper you should not flat out say "oh, one of our workers probalby stole it" |
| 19:14.56 | spldart | OMG... They said that? |
| 19:15.03 | JeffM | yep |
| 19:15.13 | blast007 | famous last words |
| 19:15.14 | JeffM | tracking showed that it entered the distrobution center near me |
| 19:15.23 | JeffM | it never left |
| 19:15.40 | spldart | What do they pay?! Minimum wage |
| 19:15.48 | JeffM | dunno |
| 19:16.03 | JeffM | but I mean if your operators KNOW you have a problem. then management must know and you fix that stuff |
| 19:16.06 | spldart | I know some ups peeps personal... they would do nothing to risk their jobs |
| 19:17.10 | JeffM | I mean they must not pay well, when to deliver to my dad, they contract out to just local people |
| 19:17.26 | JeffM | like I said, seriouly once got a delivery from a lady in an RV with her kids |
| 19:17.35 | JeffM | and she was the offical carrier |
| 19:17.41 | spldart | rural area? |
| 19:17.45 | JeffM | somewhat |
| 19:17.55 | JeffM | but UPS has no problem driving a big brown van to him |
| 19:17.59 | JeffM | nor does FedEx |
| 19:18.39 | spldart | And DHL isn't the cheapest out of my very local area either... doesn't make sense UPS is cheapest here |
| 19:18.41 | JeffM | it's not like he lives in a town with 10 people |
| 19:19.49 | JeffM | DHL is a german company, so I would expect them to have a better infrastructure in europe |
| 19:20.00 | JeffM | I'm guessing few europeans use UPS ;) |
| 19:20.09 | ts | DHL is really fast at least here. |
| 19:20.15 | spldart | I did not know that.. |
| 19:20.52 | JeffM | with UPS here, if it's same zone, ground service is ensured to be next day |
| 19:20.54 | ts | never heard of broken things by DHL but UPS doing that |
| 19:21.05 | ts | Could be it differs from country to country |
| 19:21.22 | JeffM | ts, probalby. each do beter on native soil ;) |
| 19:21.36 | JeffM | thankfully t-shirts are very hard to damage :) |
| 19:21.56 | ts | hehe, yeah that's good :) |
| 19:22.08 | spldart | And value specific so low likelyhood of theft |
| 19:22.09 | JeffM | tho we'll be using the USPS international stuff |
| 19:22.25 | JeffM | since it's the simplest to use, and fixed rates |
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| 19:50.51 | spldart | General server operator alert: Lookout for donny_faker He's being a %*@# |
| 19:51.29 | spldart | I have his current ip for anyone who wants to preempt his language/nastiness |
| 19:56.35 | Winny | JeffM, what is this favor you speak of |
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| 20:06.49 | brlcad | application is complete |
| 20:06.55 | Winny | ~learner++ |
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| 20:21.18 | spldart | ~brlcad++ |
| 20:22.36 | ts | ~say I am alive |
| 20:22.37 | ibot | I am alive |
| 20:22.54 | ts | wow, ibot works again |
| 20:40.49 | donny_baker | spldart: I know who it is. I've been banning him left and right the last time i banned him he called me that exact thing |
| 20:41.02 | donny_baker | i enjoy my fan club, they are so loyal |
| 20:41.26 | whodaman | heh |
| 20:41.27 | spldart | You want his ip? be glad to send it to you |
| 20:41.58 | donny_baker | nah, it won't help.. he is on a very popular host in a country shaped like a boot ;) |
| 20:42.09 | whodaman | hee |
| 20:42.16 | Winny | Ottawa? |
| 20:42.19 | Winny | err, wait |
| 20:42.21 | Winny | country |
| 20:42.57 | spldart | LOL |
| 20:43.10 | spldart | Home of the Ferrari and Lamborgini? |
| 20:44.03 | donny_baker | could be... I did go to a Ferrari dealership their this summer :) |
| 20:44.14 | donny_baker | s/their/there/ |
| 20:44.18 | Winny | But did you buy one? |
| 20:44.24 | spldart | heh |
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| 20:44.43 | blast007 | nope; two |
| 20:45.08 | spldart | I know bzflag crosses many social and other boundries but I doubt we have any ferrari/lambo owners :) |
| 20:51.34 | blast007 | heh, apparently bzwb doesn't like defines |
| 20:51.58 | JeffM | Winny: sorry, was cleaing the garage |
| 20:52.20 | JeffM | want to make me a rendering of the CD, on a white background with a cool rendered shadow |
| 20:52.32 | Winny | ok |
| 20:52.45 | JeffM | all apple style n' stuff ;) |
| 20:52.49 | Winny | yay |
| 20:55.16 | Winny | what dimensions? |
| 20:55.24 | JeffM | squareish |
| 20:55.26 | JeffM | and big |
| 20:55.27 | JeffM | I can scale |
| 20:55.39 | JeffM | it'll be the store image |
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| 21:01.25 | Winny | whee |
| 21:01.27 | Winny | this is the first time I' |
| 21:01.38 | Winny | ive done anything circulr in blender's UV mapper* |
| 21:03.57 | blast007 | http://static.bzexcess.com/bzwb/bzwb.png |
| 21:05.09 | blast007 | bzwb is really slow though |
| 21:05.22 | blast007 | compared to BZEdit |
| 21:05.25 | Winny | :/ |
| 21:07.23 | JeffM | yeah it goes thru a lot of layers to render |
| 21:07.34 | blast007 | I get about 2FPS in BZWB on that map when rotating it |
| 21:07.39 | blast007 | and more like 70 in BZEdit |
| 21:08.00 | JeffM | it may not be using OSG the best way ether |
| 21:08.22 | JeffM | I remember discussions when it was built where it was rebuilding the sceene every frame |
| 21:08.54 | blast007 | hmm |
| 21:09.21 | blast007 | well, I've got a button that can add cones to the map now |
| 21:09.22 | JeffM | you should investigate it's use of OSG if oyu care |
| 21:09.28 | JeffM | cool |
| 21:09.40 | blast007 | don't have an icon for it, so I used just the box one ;) |
| 21:09.45 | blast007 | the other two there don't work |
| 21:10.04 | JeffM | I'm not too fond of the "big button" layout |
| 21:10.12 | blast007 | seems it doens't support those objects yet (sphere and arc) |
| 21:10.13 | JeffM | I'd like to have an object toolbar |
| 21:10.26 | JeffM | that is doced to a tabed list |
| 21:10.26 | blast007 | even when loading a map from file |
| 21:10.36 | JeffM | it should read them |
| 21:10.38 | JeffM | but not draw them |
| 21:10.43 | Winny | JeffM, how much "TLC" should go into this image? I'd do a fullblown CD case and CD material in indigo, but if it's going to be ~400x400, I won't bother |
| 21:10.45 | JeffM | basicly they ARE meshes |
| 21:10.59 | blast007 | JeffM: ah, could be |
| 21:11.03 | JeffM | Winny: it'll be smaller then that |
| 21:11.10 | Winny | k |
| 21:11.13 | JeffM | I don't need to see the CD material |
| 21:11.17 | JeffM | just the label |
| 21:11.22 | JeffM | and no case |
| 21:11.27 | JeffM | since I don't know what case I'll be using yet |
| 21:16.33 | donny_baker | JeffM: paper sleeve.. they are cheap :P |
| 21:16.48 | JeffM | donny_baker: maybe |
| 21:16.58 | JeffM | I'd like something that holds up for shiping |
| 21:17.21 | Winny | make little tank icons-shaped cases ;P |
| 21:17.47 | JeffM | Winny: ummm... there is no profit in that |
| 21:19.21 | donny_baker | http://www.uline.com/ProductDetail.asp?model=S-7070 |
| 21:19.30 | donny_baker | JeffM: ^^ |
| 21:19.44 | JeffM | donny_baker: I need to put them in USPS provied flat rate mailers |
| 21:19.55 | donny_baker | ah |
| 21:20.17 | JeffM | but that may not be a bad idea if media mail is cheaper |
| 21:20.18 | ts | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.30 | ts | oops |
| 21:21.15 | ts | Hate it, when selected text scrolls up while moving, dropping leads to writing it :/ |
| 21:24.44 | JeffM | I'll probalby just do a slimline jewelcase, and pack 2 bits of cardboard around it |
| 21:24.54 | JeffM | we have CD sizes cardboard scrap at work |
| 21:25.02 | JeffM | since thats a punch out in our software box |
| 21:25.11 | donny_baker | that works too |
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| 21:30.40 | Winny | JeffM, meh. It's easier to do a 3d thing in Photoshop then blender |
| 21:30.48 | JeffM | aww |
| 21:30.53 | JeffM | I wanted a cool shadow :) |
| 21:30.59 | JeffM | but ok |
| 21:31.02 | Winny | I know |
| 21:31.09 | Winny | Can still do a cool shadow |
| 21:31.36 | blast007 | this should be interesting: I'm loading a BZWGen map into BZWB ;) |
| 21:32.27 | Winny | hehe |
| 21:32.43 | JeffM | ooooo. I can do 5$ priority main in my package... I can use those envelopes :) |
| 21:33.59 | blast007 | is there a (free) tool to profile code in VC7.1? |
| 21:34.23 | blast007 | the parser (or some related code) takes quite a while to process |
| 21:34.50 | JeffM | valgrind is working on that I think but it's not there yet |
| 21:36.37 | blast007 | seems to be a lot of work with the std calls |
| 21:36.57 | JeffM | does it call tokenize? |
| 21:37.01 | JeffM | a LOT? ;) |
| 21:37.46 | blast007 | no, just quite a lot of std::* calls |
| 21:37.57 | JeffM | like? |
| 21:37.58 | blast007 | allocator, basic_string ... _Copy and _Grow |
| 21:38.06 | JeffM | ahh |
| 21:38.18 | JeffM | that'd be just string processing |
| 21:39.10 | blast007 | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m19f13c9f |
| 21:39.38 | blast007 | would doing a lot of allocating and copying and crap slow it down? |
| 21:39.56 | blast007 | I'm not sure how *much* it's doing, but that's just where I paused execution |
| 21:40.01 | JeffM | it takes time |
| 21:40.02 | JeffM | sure |
| 21:40.35 | blast007 | the fact that it's a 7.39MB map probably doesn't help either ;) |
| 21:41.28 | blast007 | it crashed trying to load Louman's Pandemonium |
| 21:41.55 | L4m3r | try loading spiralzone or something |
| 21:43.01 | Winny | JeffM, http://art.bzflagr.net/svnroot/3d/CD%20Render/CD.psd |
| 21:43.02 | blast007 | L4m3r: it worked fine on 1.10/1.7 maps |
| 21:43.14 | Winny | It'll do I guess |
| 21:43.15 | L4m3r | newer versions have some 2.0 elements also |
| 21:43.20 | blast007 | just crashed on louman's Metropolis, in the water level stuff |
| 21:43.31 | blast007 | L4m3r: I've loaded a map with a cone |
| 21:43.47 | blast007 | so far it's crashed when processing a define, and when processing waterLevel |
| 21:46.58 | Winny | Foo_man_choo! |
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| 21:48.02 | JeffM | Winny: very nice. thank you |
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| 21:48.25 | Winny | sure |
| 21:48.57 | JeffM | dunno how the gradient will look on the background but i'll try it :) |
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| 21:51.06 | JeffM | Winny: didn't come out bad, http://store.bzflag.bz/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3&products_id=7 |
| 21:51.27 | JeffM | software auto shrunk it, tho it'll show full size when you click on it |
| 21:51.31 | Winny | hmm, I thought there was a boarder around it |
| 21:51.44 | JeffM | I can just take out the gray layer |
| 21:51.53 | Winny | that would probably look better |
| 21:52.36 | JeffM | updated |
| 21:58.44 | Winny | Hmm, need to find a good balance for the download page |
| 22:01.56 | blast007 | hmm, I got the sphere button to add a sphere to the map (and it writes out to a .bzw) but it just doesn't render the sphere yet ;) |
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| 22:34.42 | JeffM | brlcad, so we close to beeing applicated? |
| 22:35.39 | Winny | You bought a server to run the store on? |
| 22:35.43 | JeffM | nope |
| 22:35.49 | JeffM | difrent kind of hardware ;) |
| 22:35.53 | JeffM | a "cd stomper" |
| 22:35.57 | Winny | ahh |
| 22:38.35 | spldart | brl has been quiet since this morning :-/ |
| 22:38.35 | Winny | What versions of windows do we support? 98 and on? |
| 22:38.44 | spldart | unless I missed zomezing |
| 22:39.04 | JeffM | techincaly we say we don't support any of the 9xs |
| 22:39.14 | JeffM | 2000 or higher |
| 22:39.14 | spldart | We shouldn't |
| 22:39.19 | spldart | Ah good |
| 22:39.22 | Winny | Ok |
| 22:39.26 | JeffM | our bins are linked with diectX 7 |
| 22:39.40 | JeffM | and our libcurl dosn't work on the 9xs |
| 22:39.50 | spldart | No reason to try to cover that wide a range os OS |
| 22:39.50 | JeffM | but we don't activly prevent people from building on those platforms |
| 22:39.57 | JeffM | yeah it's not worth it |
| 22:40.12 | spldart | meh s/os/of |
| 22:40.34 | spldart | LOLOL |
| 22:40.35 | Winny | that's just mean |
| 22:40.45 | Winny | oh wow |
| 22:40.48 | JeffM | just means that many don't run windows update ;) |
| 22:40.52 | Winny | 700 visits |
| 22:40.58 | Winny | err, 780 |
| 22:41.08 | Winny | It's going up by about 20 a day |
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| 22:41.26 | spldart | Exciting! Isn't it? |
| 22:41.26 | blast007 | *cough* |
| 22:41.36 | Winny | blast007: unique :) |
| 22:41.40 | spldart | omglolrof |
| 22:41.42 | JeffM | TOR |
| 22:41.52 | spldart | mmMMmm food |
| 22:41.53 | blast007 | actually, I don't think I've even gone to the site since we added the stats thingy |
| 22:42.03 | blast007 | so it's not counting me ;) |
| 22:42.48 | spldart | meh... I'mma shoot some tanks again |
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| 22:43.35 | O-Neil | Ace11 is cheating |
| 22:43.50 | JeffM | tell the server owner |
| 22:43.50 | blast007 | okay? |
| 22:43.52 | blast007 | where |
| 22:44.09 | O-Neil | bzflagr.net |
| 22:45.22 | blast007 | apparently left |
| 22:45.48 | O-Neil | yes :( |
| 22:47.45 | O-Neil | hes back again |
| 22:47.51 | O-Neil | please ban him |
| 22:53.28 | L4m3r | O-Neil: in the future, please complain in #bzflagr as indicated on the server |
| 22:53.54 | O-Neil | ok thx |
| 22:54.31 | blast007 | ##bzflagr, actually |
| 22:54.35 | blast007 | (two #) |
| 22:55.03 | L4m3r | oh, my bad |
| 22:55.43 | JeffM | it's suposed to be 2 for any channel that isn't a project |
| 22:55.52 | JeffM | techicnaly we should chnage #bzchat to ##bzchat |
| 22:56.09 | JeffM | can you do redirects? |
| 22:56.14 | L4m3r | I think so |
| 22:56.27 | jorgenpt | What does the 'r' stand for? |
| 22:56.28 | jorgenpt | in bzflagr |
| 22:56.50 | JeffM | it stands for " an additiona letter that let us get the domain because bzflag.net was taken" |
| 22:56.51 | blast007 | jorgenpt: it's some web2.0 letter :P |
| 22:57.04 | jorgenpt | haha |
| 22:57.08 | L4m3r | and actually I think it's two #s for any channel for which the channel operators don't own a trademark for the name of the channel |
| 22:57.12 | L4m3r | or something like that |
| 22:57.17 | jorgenpt | o.0 |
| 22:57.26 | JeffM | that would be silly |
| 22:57.33 | JeffM | we have no trademark on bzflag |
| 22:57.43 | blast007 | L4m3r: no, two ## indicate an "about" channel |
| 22:57.56 | JeffM | they support a main channel that is for a proejct |
| 22:57.58 | blast007 | an "about" channel isn't supposed to be registered by the owners of a project |
| 22:58.24 | AHA | JeffM, you can redirect channels |
| 22:58.28 | JeffM | cool |
| 22:58.37 | AHA | /mode #channel +f #otherchannel |
| 22:58.53 | AHA | mode +i needs to be on though |
| 22:59.04 | blast007 | http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#topicalchannels |
| 22:59.11 | JeffM | many of our server and leauge channels are on the edge of being topical for freenode, since freenod isn't a game network, but one for open source sofware development |
| 22:59.30 | blast007 | "Topical or reference channels should not be registered directly or indirectly by their corresponding projects." |
| 22:59.58 | AHA | blast007, if someone comes along with a project by that name, they just drop the # channel |
| 23:00.25 | blast007 | we could do #bzflag-chat too |
| 23:00.53 | JeffM | ahhh |
| 23:01.54 | L4m3r | ;) |
| 23:03.53 | JeffM | trademark is only used to resolve conflits it looks like |
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| 23:19.44 | brlcad | we are applied |
| 23:19.52 | brlcad | applicated |
| 23:19.54 | brlcad | submitted |
| 23:19.57 | brlcad | committed |
| 23:21.04 | whodaman | brlcad, GSoC ? :O |
| 23:23.16 | Winny | jorgenpt: it's a crappy web 2.0 short of "bzflager" |
| 23:23.40 | jorgenpt | ah |
| 23:23.57 | Winny | sort of like "flickr.com", etc. |
| 23:29.21 | spldart | LOL @ the complete engagement of commission involved in the applications |
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| 23:48.09 | Winny | He's your problem now |
| 23:49.04 | F687s | Huh, the US mail service would NEVER take that... |
| 23:49.18 | Winny | JeffM, what's the oldest OS X version we support? |
| 23:49.20 | Winny | 10.4? |
| 23:49.34 | JeffM | in code? or our binary? |
| 23:49.56 | Winny | binary |
| 23:50.05 | Winny | (working on the downloads page) |
| 23:50.07 | JeffM | IIRC the universal binary is 10.4 only |
| 23:50.16 | Winny | works on leopard too :) |
| 23:50.26 | JeffM | 10.4+ I mean |
| 23:50.30 | Winny | ah, ok |
| 23:50.59 | JeffM | universals can't exist on any earlyer platform |
| 23:51.16 | JeffM | cus x86 was during 10.4 |
| 23:51.50 | JeffM | we can easaly make a 10.3 version |
| 23:51.59 | JeffM | and 10.2 can be built from sources wiht some hacks |
