| 00:01.05 | ryanakca | '/set _fogColor grey' '/set _fogDensity 0.1' and the rest of the fog options at default should give you a thick grey fog, correct? |
| 00:04.00 | F687s | ryanakca: yes, if _fogMode is set to 'exp' or 'exp2' |
| 00:16.33 | Constitution | ~Winny++ |
| 00:17.39 | awilcox | ~bzflist |
| 00:17.56 | awilcox | WOOOOOO I'm on the list :D |
| 00:18.07 | awilcox | my map is 8th, I couldn't be more proud :D |
| 00:18.27 | whodaman | awilcox, lulz |
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| 00:25.17 | spldart | I remember the first time one of my designs got on first page :-) |
| 00:26.02 | whodaman | spldart, yep, so do I. lasted 3 minutes! |
| 00:26.42 | spldart | You must be thinking of someone else... |
| 00:26.47 | spldart | :squint: |
| 00:26.53 | whodaman | ;) |
| 00:27.27 | spldart | I had number 3 spot for several minutes once... I was giddy like a school girl :) |
| 00:28.14 | spldart | I've had first page for over an hour once too.. And bots are disabled |
| 00:29.00 | peter_bz | I once had one of my maps on the front page for about an hour or so, but it was just a blank field, flags, and no objects |
| 00:29.01 | spldart | Unlike some OTHER people that shall remain nameless and aren't called whodaman hehehe |
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| 00:29.33 | whodaman | spldart, :) |
| 00:30.29 | spldart | One thing about getting your server semi busy.... Peeps like axel rose and CRW start showing up too :~( |
| 00:30.49 | spldart | But then again... They are kinda the experience of having a popular server aren't they? |
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| 00:32.07 | Constitution | pick good admins... that's the best way to deal with these people |
| 00:32.25 | awilcox | Constitution: heh, I'm on norang, I trust em :P |
| 00:32.36 | spldart | Currently I've got the admins that have got me... norang is one hehe |
| 00:32.37 | awilcox | nexcept the time they banned me >_< |
| 00:32.49 | spldart | They banned my brother once too :) |
| 00:33.08 | spldart | Ah! the dredded /n |
| 00:33.11 | peter_bz | one day a bzadmin will come that is so advanced we wont need admins :) |
| 00:33.25 | Constitution | I doubt it |
| 00:33.26 | spldart | Or.. not.. hehe |
| 00:33.29 | awilcox | nspldart: heh, well, it is because I'm on comcast |
| 00:33.42 | awilcox | nall of comcast got banned, including me, the stupid map admin, lol. |
| 00:33.49 | spldart | LOLOL |
| 00:33.59 | spldart | I'm comcast too.. I didn't catch it though |
| 00:34.04 | spldart | @ work I'm SWbell |
| 00:39.47 | awilcox | blargh |
| 00:40.08 | awilcox | nwho revoked my norang adminship!? theres a guy saying bad words and I can't kick him >_> |
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| 00:48.41 | spldart | The Rampage Stopper?... I guess he just left or someone else kick or banned him... |
| 00:51.12 | awilcox | yes. |
| 00:53.37 | WinnyP4 | JeffM, there's some guy running like 30 bots on a publically listed server |
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| 00:53.44 | JeffM | what server? |
| 00:53.58 | WinnyP4 | "Airport of metal" or something |
| 00:54.04 | JeffM | server |
| 00:54.06 | JeffM | not player |
| 00:54.11 | JeffM | are they run by the server? |
| 00:54.14 | JeffM | or some player? |
| 00:54.27 | WinnyP4 | that's the name of the server... lemme grab the IP |
| 00:54.38 | JeffM | are the bots run by the server owner? |
| 00:54.46 | WinnyP4 | 81.171.22.238 |
| 00:54.49 | JeffM | or is it just some player hitting it? |
| 00:54.50 | WinnyP4 | I think so.. one sec |
| 00:55.02 | JeffM | and who owns said server? |
| 00:55.15 | WinnyP4 | looks like it crashed or something, cannot connect anymore. |
| 00:55.18 | JeffM | step 1 is to ask them to stop |
| 00:55.39 | a_meteorite | WinnyP4: the cheaters have figured a way to make everyone disconnect and crash servers.. seen it with my own two eyes |
| 00:55.41 | JeffM | step 2 is for us to ask them to stop |
| 00:55.50 | WinnyP4 | a_meteorite, heh |
| 00:55.51 | JeffM | step 3 is other action |
| 00:55.58 | a_meteorite | so, not surprising :) |
| 00:57.55 | Constitution | so there's an exploit that can crash servers... that shouldn't surprise us too badly |
| 00:58.02 | Constitution | any idea what it is? |
| 00:58.20 | JeffM | log data, find out ;) |
| 00:59.07 | Erroneous | -ddd is frequently sufficient |
| 00:59.14 | WinnyP4 | K, I can't take this crappy CRT any more |
| 00:59.17 | WinnyP4 | bbl. |
| 01:03.21 | Constitution | heh, -ddd is a lot more than most people I know lot long-term... it would probably be hard to get them to crash a server that we had set up for that purpose "on demand" |
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| 01:10.26 | spldart | >awilcox... I didn't know that 'james bond' character was a tk... I thought I had seen him play reasonably before |
| 01:10.55 | blast007 | I warned him once, as did Tedius |
| 01:11.19 | awilcox | nheh, I've seen him play reasonably before |
| 01:11.29 | spldart | I only got him for a day |
| 01:11.32 | Constitution | brlcad: I just tested my 2.0.10 mac build on the final platform that concerned me (Leopard Intel)... everything appears to be good. Are you comfortable going ahead with the release? Perhaps you can walk me through the DMG assembly process. |
| 01:11.41 | spldart | If norang wants to extend that they can |
| 01:11.49 | ryanakca | F687s: btw, thanks :) |
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| 02:04.48 | [dmp] | could somone please type colon q for me - my shift is dead, and i want to save my work before restarting |
| 02:05.56 | AHA | colon q |
| 02:06.30 | Winny | :q |
| 02:06.50 | [dmp] | thanks, Winny |
| 02:07.02 | Winny | sure |
| 02:08.35 | spldart | omg.... what was that? |
| 02:09.48 | [dmp] | my system got really sick. Shift, capslock and ctrl didnt work. And :w is my editors save command - wanted to save my work before restarting :) |
| 02:10.11 | Constitution | you just typed a colon ;) |
| 02:10.14 | Constitution | or did you paste that one too |
| 02:10.29 | [dmp] | I just restarted X |
| 02:16.18 | L4m3r | lol [dmp] |
| 02:16.57 | L4m3r | once in high school, the newspaper asked for my help with a Windows machine... they were trying to save something, but the box had apparently run out of memory and could not save anything |
| 02:20.24 | [dmp] | urgh, bad situation |
| 02:20.46 | [dmp] | i was writing notes about ming compilation, so as this is my first time, i value my notes very highly :) |
| 02:21.16 | [dmp] | oddly, alt worked |
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| 02:50.14 | spldart | nighty night |
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| 03:57.34 | Winny | awilcox, got a new PSU. |
| 03:57.37 | Winny | fixed. |
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| 04:02.20 | awilcox | Winny: Great! I'm glad you were able to fix it. |
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| 04:33.38 | jude- | hello all |
| 04:34.29 | blast007 | hi jude- |
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| 05:01.49 | Constitution | hmm, setting an FPS limit is done with "/localset fpsLimit <num>", right? |
| 05:07.09 | blast007 | yup |
| 05:13.41 | Constitution | guess I had to turn on the energy saver |
| 05:14.15 | JeffM | yeah the set is just to set the limit WHEN it is on |
| 05:15.02 | Constitution | what else does the energy saver do? |
| 05:15.16 | JeffM | nothing |
| 05:15.27 | Constitution | ko |
| 05:15.31 | Constitution | *ok |
| 05:25.21 | blast007 | JeffM: the client is hanging up inside drawFrame() when trying to join |
| 05:25.44 | blast007 | joinInternetGame() gets called, and it hangs before joinInternetGame2() |
| 05:25.58 | JeffM | yeah it' waiting for the first message |
| 05:26.02 | JeffM | we BLOCK there |
| 05:26.36 | blast007 | hmm |
| 05:28.24 | blast007 | nvm, silly mistake... printError() isn't going to show me anything *after* drawFrame if it locks before drawFrame is called again ;) |
| 05:30.05 | JeffM | yep |
| 05:30.08 | JeffM | that's an issue we found |
| 05:30.24 | JeffM | we just block on connect and sit and wait |
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| 06:01.44 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r16467 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzflag/ScoreboardRenderer.cxx: |
| 06:01.44 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: Test for whether to show player slots on scoreboard changed from isAdmin() to |
| 06:01.44 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: hasPlayerList(), which is also used for printing player join statements with or |
| 06:01.44 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: without the IP address. This will allow admins (with the PLAYERLIST perm) to see |
| 06:01.44 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: player slot numbers even if they have the HIDEADMIN perm. |
| 06:09.12 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r16468 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzflag/ScoreboardRenderer.cxx: Actually, use both checks, so that admins without the playerList perm will still see the slot numbers. |
| 06:15.02 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r16469 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ScoreboardRenderer.cxx: Revs. 16467 & 16468 from branch: player slot numbers for hidden admins via playerlist perm check. |
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| 07:26.53 | Mets | does anybody have a precompiled bzfs for linux that I could have? |
| 07:28.25 | pacman87 | um, maybe |
| 07:29.13 | Constitution | what distro? |
| 07:29.29 | Mets | debian if you've got it, i'm just trying to avoid compiling |
| 07:29.39 | Constitution | can't you install from apt? |
| 07:29.46 | Mets | 32-bit |
| 07:29.54 | Mets | oh, forgot |
| 07:30.18 | Mets | actually no i can't, this is a shell, no apt-access |
| 07:30.44 | Constitution | no access, or no root perms? |
| 07:30.50 | Mets | no root |
| 07:30.59 | Mets | just a test shell i'm playing around with on a friday night :) |
| 07:31.00 | Constitution | I think you can install from apt into a prefix |
| 07:31.18 | Constitution | seriously, compiling is your best bet on linux |
| 07:31.35 | Mets | i guess i've got some time to burn, i'll just compile |
| 07:32.10 | Mets | thanks though |
| 07:33.17 | pacman87 | i built mine on slackware |
| 07:33.44 | pacman87 | but i'm on XP now, so i'd have to pull it off my ext3 |
| 07:34.10 | Mets | i'll just give this a shot, see what happens |
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| 10:40.38 | lan56 | hey when is the siggraph get together? |
| 10:40.45 | lan56 | I just read about the past mountain view one on bzbb |
| 10:40.54 | lan56 | and saw the siggraph note at the end of that post |
| 10:41.06 | lan56 | I'd love to meet up |
| 10:42.53 | lan56 | ahh august 2008 |
| 10:43.02 | lan56 | shoulda googled BEFORE chatting |
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| 12:05.12 | whodaman- | awww |
| 12:05.14 | whodaman- | missed jude- |
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| 14:17.17 | jftsang | hi. |
| 14:17.24 | jftsang | who runs bzfmaps.net? |
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| 14:19.42 | brad | jftsang: nn |
| 14:19.57 | brad | (aka nn-main in here) |
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| 14:26.48 | jftsang | is he actually at the computer most of the time? |
| 14:27.07 | brad | idle : 0 days 10 hours 4 mins 25 secs |
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| 14:54.23 | randomparticle | the way glReadPixels is used in the screenshot code is horribly slow. would be better to read back the whole screen in one call rather than line by line perhaps |
| 14:56.39 | spldart | Hate to hit an OT query in here and all but you guys have been a great resource of info... A hardware failure in my home fileserver left one of 8 drives with, as fdisk reports, no valid partition... Any idea's how I can recover the partition and data? |
| 14:56.42 | brlcad | perhaps, but it spends most of its time performing the png data compression |
| 15:01.15 | brlcad | spldart: if the drives have exactly identical partitions, you may be able dd the partition table from one disk to the other (using the raw device) |
| 15:02.07 | brlcad | otherwise, might try something like http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk |
| 15:03.02 | brlcad | norton's disk utilities have a similar recovery attempt feature |
| 15:03.22 | brlcad | or this guys go at it http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/76201/gpart/ |
| 15:04.29 | spldart | thanks.. no, btw, they are a ragtag fleet of drives from 120 gig to over 300 gig and a mix of samsung and maxtor |
| 15:04.38 | spldart | I'll try your links though :) |
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| 15:19.21 | Winny | Would it be possible to trick the server into giving you an @? |
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| 15:21.32 | Guest237 | lol |
| 15:21.49 | Guest237 | hi' |
| 15:21.56 | Guest237 | hi |
| 15:22.05 | delusional | ~ask |
| 15:22.16 | ibot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there, just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 15:22.16 | Guest237 | hi |
| 15:22.45 | Guest237 | hey |
| 15:22.53 | delusional | hello |
| 15:22.59 | Guest237 | brb |
| 15:23.14 | delusional | we'll be waiting with baited breath |
| 15:23.48 | Winny | I actually won't breath until you come back. |
| 15:26.18 | spldart | perhaps you could chew up and swallow some oxygen in order to hold to your no breathing promise |
| 15:26.38 | Guest237 | hi |
| 15:26.41 | delusional | Are you getting enough oxygen? |
| 15:26.45 | Guest237 | lol |
| 15:26.56 | blast007 | Guest237: what can we help you with? |
| 15:27.03 | Guest237 | i am peterv |
| 15:27.17 | Thumper_ | I'm sorry we can't really do anything about that |
| 15:27.31 | Guest237 | i just havnt loggeg in yet |
| 15:27.53 | blast007 | ok. well, what can we help you with? |
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| 15:29.17 | Guest584 | hi |
| 15:29.19 | Winny | heh |
| 15:29.33 | blast007 | Guest584: what can we help you with? |
| 15:29.56 | Guest584 | i am peterv or synfox |
| 15:30.04 | Winny | ok, what can we help you with? |
| 15:30.07 | delusional | do you know the bzflag forums? http://my.bzflag.org/bb/ go there and click on "register" to register your name, if you are at least 13 years of age. |
| 15:30.41 | Guest584 | iam 13 wat if ure 9 |
| 15:31.00 | Guest584 | hi |
| 15:31.10 | blast007 | then you need parental permission according to COPPA |
| 15:31.12 | delusional | then put your name and password in BZFlag when you join a game, you will get a +plus sign when you join. |
| 15:31.37 | blast007 | Guest584: but really. what exactly do you need help with? |
| 15:31.38 | Guest584 | y do i have to do that |
| 15:31.50 | blast007 | we can't read minds. |
| 15:31.52 | Guest584 | i already play bzf |
| 15:32.12 | Guest584 | with catay |
| 15:32.24 | Winny | uh |
| 15:32.26 | brlcad | you don't need to register, if you're happy the way you're playing then keep playing |
| 15:32.41 | Guest584 | but i cant play on dub |
| 15:32.43 | brlcad | if you register, you can get other options on some servers |
| 15:32.51 | Guest584 | i know |
| 15:32.52 | brlcad | well then you answered your own question |
| 15:32.57 | brlcad | that's why |
| 15:33.10 | delusional | dub requires registration to play |
| 15:33.16 | Guest584 | o did |
| 15:33.35 | Guest584 | it got sent to my email |
| 15:33.49 | Guest584 | wat do i do after that |
| 15:33.50 | delusional | ..and you clicked the link in the email? |
| 15:33.55 | brlcad | and you read the e-mail? |
| 15:34.37 | Guest584 | yea the link connected to the fourms |
| 15:34.50 | delusional | put your exact name and password in BZFlag when you join a game, you will get a +plus sign when you join. |
| 15:34.52 | catay | peterv, i already epxlained you a thousand times |
| 15:35.04 | Guest584 | hi |
| 15:35.10 | Guest584 | catay |
| 15:35.13 | catay | besides , your brother (so you claim) is a regged player as fragmaster |
| 15:35.20 | Guest584 | yes |
| 15:35.21 | catay | ask him how to do it |
| 15:35.31 | Guest584 | he wont tell me |
| 15:35.38 | rtfm | ... |
| 15:35.53 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v rtfm] by ChanServ |
| 15:36.07 | jftsang | newbies eh? :P |
| 15:36.15 | Guest584 | he just said he forgot the link |
| 15:36.15 | brlcad | Guest584: people here have just told you, read the instructions being given |
| 15:36.26 | brlcad | put your password in the game along with the bzbb callsign you registered |
| 15:36.41 | Guest584 | k |
| 15:36.54 | jftsang | it should say "Global login approved!" if it worked |
| 15:37.10 | jftsang | and "This callsign is registered" if it worked but you got the wrong pass |
| 15:38.10 | catay | Guest584: the link is even on the public dub pb server when you join, just read the instructions |
| 15:38.26 | Guest584 | it says identify ur self |
| 15:38.36 | jftsang | that means you got the wrong password |
| 15:38.47 | Guest584 | impossible |
| 15:38.52 | jftsang | you sure your email address has been confirmed? |
| 15:38.58 | Guest584 | yea |
| 15:39.08 | jftsang | no typos or anything? |
| 15:39.21 | Guest584 | my dad deleted the email |
| 15:39.37 | catay | nah, you entered an invalid emailaddress you told me before |
| 15:39.56 | Guest584 | no it sent me the email |
| 15:39.57 | jftsang | *sigh* /get more peanuts |
| 15:39.57 | delusional | do you remember the exact name and password you used when you registered? |
| 15:40.08 | Guest584 | yea |
| 15:40.14 | Guest584 | i thinl |
| 15:40.18 | Winny | so no? |
| 15:40.22 | delusional | so add them to BZFlag when you join a server |
| 15:40.25 | Guest584 | i think |
| 15:40.32 | Guest584 | k |
| 15:41.11 | *** join/#bzflag Guest650 (n=62c29ff6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/zeebrothers.net/x-aa42764c64c678c6) |
| 15:41.17 | Guest650 | im back |
| 15:41.26 | rtfm | really? we didn't notice |
| 15:41.26 | Guest650 | hey |
| 15:41.29 | jftsang | ok. try logging on to the forum |
| 15:41.29 | Winny | we were very worried |
| 15:41.30 | Guest650 | hey |
| 15:41.35 | Guest650 | k |
| 15:41.49 | jftsang | and then if that works, try again on the game |
| 15:42.08 | Guest650 | can u go on the memberlist and see if im there |
| 15:42.15 | Winny | heh |
| 15:42.16 | jftsang | uuh |
| 15:42.19 | rtfm | can you see if you can log in? |
| 15:42.21 | Guest650 | please |
| 15:42.26 | jftsang | there are HOW many people on the forums? |
| 15:42.27 | Winny | try to log in on the forums |
| 15:42.27 | rtfm | no |
| 15:42.35 | Guest650 | i did |
| 15:42.36 | rtfm | there are like 18,000 users |
| 15:42.47 | Guest650 | just on letter p |
| 15:42.55 | jftsang | if you weren't on there then it would have said "This callsign is not registered" |
| 15:43.01 | rtfm | oh, okay, so only about 1000 to go through then :P |
| 15:43.10 | Winny | hehe |
| 15:43.15 | Guest650 | peterv |
| 15:43.24 | Winny | ok, so log in on the forums |
| 15:43.28 | Guest650 | k |
| 15:43.31 | Winny | and if you can, your account is registered |
| 15:43.45 | Winny | make sure you use the EXACT same password and username |
| 15:43.58 | rtfm | Winny: you're assuming he knows his password, and that he's actually activated his account |
| 15:43.59 | jftsang | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/memberlist.php?mode=joined&order=ASC&start=17775 << most recently joined, you on there? |
| 15:45.06 | Guest650 | ot working |
| 15:45.25 | Guest650 | not working |
| 15:45.27 | jftsang | are you on that list then |
| 15:45.31 | nn-main | jftsang, im linux not windows!!! |
| 15:45.38 | rtfm | jftsang: iirc, you have to be registered to use the memberlist.php |
| 15:45.45 | Guest650 | ni cant see u have to log in |
| 15:45.52 | jftsang | Guest650, what's your callsign |
| 15:45.59 | Guest650 | cant u search members |
| 15:46.02 | jftsang | nn-main: what relation does that have to anything I said |
| 15:46.03 | nn-main | why were you sending me a .exe ? |
| 15:46.14 | Guest650 | peterv |
| 15:46.14 | jftsang | nn-main: did I? |
| 15:46.32 | Guest650 | k |
| 15:47.02 | Guest650 | \ |
| 15:47.18 | jftsang | nope, no peterv there |
| 15:47.19 | Guest650 | my user is peterv |
| 15:47.32 | Guest650 | u searched] |
| 15:47.36 | *** join/#bzflag loophole (n=dave@71.86.121.200) |
| 15:47.42 | Guest650 | k |
| 15:47.45 | jftsang | when did you join? today? |
| 15:47.48 | Guest650 | brb] |
| 15:47.57 | Guest650 | wat u meen |
| 15:48.10 | jftsang | when did you register at the forums? |
| 15:48.24 | Guest650 | like a month ago or so |
| 15:48.37 | catay | peterv is regged, he just forgot his password |
| 15:48.56 | Guest650 | do u know wat it is] |
| 15:49.05 | Guest650 | my password |
| 15:49.10 | jftsang | nobody knows |
| 15:49.13 | delusional | we do not |
| 15:49.13 | catay | not really |
| 15:49.17 | jftsang | but you can reset it right? |
| 15:49.19 | Guest650 | grrrrrrrrr |
| 15:49.34 | Winny | please try to spell correctly as well.. some people in here cannot read english, and it's harder for them to understand "wat u meen"... If you don't want to take the time to type stuff properly, why should we take the time to help you? |
| 15:49.42 | jftsang | you've not heard of "forgotten my password"? |
| 15:49.43 | rtfm | use the Forgot Password link |
| 15:49.45 | Guest650 | u can register only once on an email |
| 15:49.56 | catay | if you have entered a correct emailaddress I assmume |
| 15:49.57 | Guest650 | thks |
| 15:49.58 | rtfm | I mean seriously, read the words on the webpage |
| 15:50.28 | jftsang | maybe you should set up a new name |
| 15:50.40 | rtfm | jftsang: nah |
| 15:51.36 | Guest650 | who is the fourm adminstratior |
| 15:51.44 | rtfm | I am one |
| 15:52.05 | Guest650 | no really bzf fourm admin |
| 15:52.45 | jftsang | he is a bzbb admin |
| 15:53.03 | Guest650 | can i use ur email |
| 15:53.09 | blast007 | what? |
| 15:53.16 | Guest650 | please |
| 15:53.22 | blast007 | what are you talking about? |
| 15:53.28 | catay | don't waste time on him .. I did already enough the last month |
| 15:53.34 | catay | he is just playing around |
| 15:53.43 | Guest650 | if i can use ure email not u blast |
| 15:53.56 | blast007 | Guest650: rtfm == me |
| 15:54.00 | Guest650 | i am hopeless |
| 15:54.19 | Guest650 | awwwwwww |
| 15:54.46 | Guest650 | help |
| 15:55.01 | Guest650 | someone |
| 15:55.16 | blast007 | your user account is NOT active |
| 15:55.16 | jftsang | Guest650, just set up another account |
| 15:55.26 | blast007 | you did not click on the activation link in the email |
| 15:55.35 | Guest650 | i cant use my dads email |
| 15:55.47 | jftsang | don't use it then |
| 15:55.48 | blast007 | well, why can't you get your own? |
| 15:55.59 | Guest650 | i have my own |
| 15:56.03 | jftsang | well |
| 15:56.05 | jftsang | use it then |
| 15:56.06 | blast007 | then why can't you use it? |
| 15:56.25 | Guest650 | its pete.mac.com |
| 15:56.33 | jftsang | that's not an email address |
| 15:56.37 | blast007 | that's not an email. that's a domain name |
| 15:56.43 | Winny | ............ |
| 15:56.51 | Guest650 | can u make ur own 1 |
| 15:57.04 | jftsang | and it also returns Server not Found |
| 15:57.16 | jftsang | Guest650, do you know what an email address is |
| 15:57.32 | Guest650 | can u create a new email |
| 15:57.40 | Guest650 | yes |
| 15:57.43 | jftsang | http://www.hotmail.com/ kthx |
| 15:57.50 | jftsang | brb |
| 15:58.54 | Guest650 | its not |
| 15:58.57 | Birdie | catay: your the guy with experience hu:P |
| 15:59.07 | blast007 | Guest650: what's not? |
| 15:59.13 | Guest650 | nlol |
| 15:59.17 | Guest650 | nlol |
| 15:59.20 | Guest650 | nlol |
| 15:59.23 | blast007 | Guest650: please make sure to add context when you speak, or else we won't help you |
| 15:59.25 | Guest650 | lol |
| 15:59.26 | Winny | why do you keep repeating things? |
| 15:59.27 | Winny | ... |
| 15:59.29 | blast007 | Guest650: stop that |
| 15:59.34 | spldart | Looks like testdisk scored one restored data for backup! |
| 15:59.40 | Winny | are you here to get help, or cause trouble.. seriously... |
| 15:59.40 | Guest650 | sry |
| 15:59.53 | Guest650 | to get help |
| 16:00.03 | Winny | :) |
| 16:00.07 | Guest650 | wait brb' |
| 16:00.13 | jftsang | gosh, set +b on him quick |
| 16:00.27 | *** join/#bzflag Guest650 (n=62c29ff6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/zeebrothers.net/x-12ca7dd8a0097229) |
| 16:00.41 | Guest650 | k |
| 16:01.02 | jftsang | ok. do you have an email address? |
| 16:01.03 | Guest650 | hello |
| 16:01.07 | Guest650 | no |
| 16:01.25 | blast007 | 09:52:22 < Guest650> i have my own |
| 16:01.37 | Guest650 | ok |
| 16:01.38 | spldart | LOL |
| 16:01.38 | jftsang | blast007, he was referring to his domain name |
| 16:01.39 | blast007 | so what was that about? |
| 16:01.44 | spldart | +B+ |
| 16:01.48 | blast007 | jftsang: which doesn't exist either |
| 16:01.51 | Guest650 | i dont know' |
| 16:01.52 | jftsang | true ;P |
| 16:01.57 | jftsang | Guet650 |
| 16:02.05 | Guest650 | cya guys gotta go |
| 16:02.08 | blast007 | bye |
| 16:02.11 | Winny | I suggest you ask your parents for help |
| 16:02.11 | jftsang | .......... |
| 16:02.21 | jftsang | what a moron... |
| 16:02.23 | Guest650 | study scoial studies' |
| 16:02.44 | Guest650 | no thay think bzf is nonsense' |
| 16:02.50 | brlcad | jftsang: be nice or just keep quiet please |
| 16:03.15 | Guest650 | ncya gonna be back later im on frappr bzf |
| 16:03.23 | Winny | huh? |
| 16:03.35 | brlcad | spldart: so it worked? |
| 16:04.00 | spldart | I'm salvaging the data on one of I believe 2 that got crashed but good |
| 16:04.08 | spldart | The others just needed a quick fsck |
| 16:04.25 | Winny | hawt |
| 16:05.01 | spldart | I'll look into the hardware problem with my fileserver once I'm sure my precious data is safe :) |
| 16:05.01 | brlcad | bom chika wa wah |
| 16:05.01 | blast007 | hehe |
| 16:05.01 | spldart | Thanks for the references |
| 16:05.02 | spldart | LOL |
| 16:05.40 | spldart | no pr0n here... Lotsa movies, tv, mp3's/oggs and proggies goin back 10+ years |
| 16:05.49 | Winny | :o |
| 16:07.06 | Winny | well that was fun |
| 16:07.24 | whodaman- | hehe |
| 16:07.59 | jftsang | good idea :P |
| 16:08.14 | blast007 | another good idea |
| 16:08.22 | spldart | snap |
| 16:08.26 | Winny | third time's the charm |
| 16:09.31 | Winny | \o/ |
| 16:09.35 | spldart | Just realized.. this drive is my main music drive.. 120 gig of it.. aaaahhhhhhhhhh |
| 16:09.44 | Winny | no backup? |
| 16:09.46 | *** join/#bzflag EmoNemo (n=Gigi@unaffiliated/emonemo) |
| 16:10.18 | blast007 | RAID ftw |
| 16:10.36 | spldart | About 80% of my fileserver is backed up on cdr and dvdr... but obviously 20% of a tb is still a siginificant loss |
| 16:10.47 | blast007 | yeah |
| 16:10.51 | whodaman- | heh |
| 16:11.01 | spldart | raid is supported but like I said... bunch of different sized drives :( |
| 16:11.32 | *** join/#bzflag jpt9 (n=jpt9@machamp-104.dynamic.rpi.edu) |
| 16:11.37 | jpt9 | hey |
| 16:11.39 | blast007 | hi |
| 16:11.59 | jpt9 | I'm running BZFlag 2.0.10 on Windows Vista. |
| 16:12.08 | jpt9 | is there any way to hide the mouse cursor when I'm playing? |
| 16:12.22 | jpt9 | (obviously it's needed if I'm using mouse movement, but I'm using a gamepad). |
| 16:12.26 | blast007 | no |
| 16:12.28 | jpt9 | oh. |
| 16:12.58 | blast007 | I'm sure it's possible, just not without modifying the client |
| 16:13.04 | jpt9 | also, have you guys considered adding an option for tank-style controls (controlling each tread separately)? |
| 16:13.56 | blast007 | it may have been mentioned in the past, but I don't think it's really been seriously considered |
| 16:14.49 | jpt9 | ah. |
| 16:14.49 | jpt9 | I'm assuming that to host games, you actually need incoming ports open? |
| 16:14.49 | blast007 | yup |
| 16:14.49 | blast007 | defaults to 5154 TCP and UDP |
| 16:14.55 | blast007 | but can be changed |
| 16:15.00 | jpt9 | damn. |
| 16:15.15 | jpt9 | (RPI only lets you have port 80 open, and you have to ask for that.) |
| 16:15.24 | blast007 | heh |
| 16:15.31 | jpt9 | yeah... |
| 16:15.48 | blast007 | "I want to run a game...er, I mean, a blog" |
| 16:15.53 | jpt9 | lol... |
| 16:16.08 | jpt9 | never been much for BZFlag... well, mostly because my brother always managed to get the Laser :-) |
| 16:16.14 | blast007 | hehe |
| 16:16.20 | blast007 | play on no-flag servers ;) |
| 16:16.23 | *** join/#bzflag randomparticle (n=faber@cpc1-wilm1-0-0-cust751.bagu.cable.ntl.com) |
| 16:16.28 | jpt9 | yeah... |
| 16:16.36 | spldart | As unconvetional as it is would it be possible to host on say 80, 8080, 21 etc ports? |
| 16:16.38 | blast007 | ducati might be fun: no flag, no jumping |
| 16:16.39 | jpt9 | we were playing on our LAN. |
| 16:16.56 | blast007 | spldart: sure, you could host on ports below 1024, but you need root |
| 16:17.03 | spldart | ah |
| 16:17.14 | blast007 | and running bzfs as root *could* be bad |
| 16:17.22 | blast007 | it hasn't really been audited afaik ;) |
| 16:17.36 | spldart | [gir] I understand [/gir] |
| 16:17.41 | blast007 | hehe |
| 16:17.59 | jpt9 | yay... i can turn off the reload meter in the HUD... |
| 16:18.05 | blast007 | :) |
| 16:18.14 | jpt9 | you should add an option to change its color... it looks too much like a flag in the distance! |
| 16:19.46 | blast007 | you could modify the code ;) |
| 16:19.54 | blast007 | the joy of open-source |
| 16:22.48 | jpt9 | how do I go about building bzflag on Vista? |
| 16:23.00 | Constitution | haha |
| 16:23.04 | jpt9 | I have cygwin, Visual Studio 2005, and a brass lantern. |
| 16:23.12 | jpt9 | I'm not in a maze of twisty passages. |
| 16:23.20 | jpt9 | yeah... I know... get Linux :-) |
| 16:23.23 | *** join/#bzflag Guest121 (n=62c29ff6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/zeebrothers.net/x-5ac02782218df4ee) |
| 16:23.30 | Guest121 | hi all |
| 16:23.52 | whodaman- | hi.. |
| 16:23.56 | *** join/#bzflag WinnyP4 (n=kyleve@CPE0016b6de59f3-CM000f9fac8236.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 16:24.04 | whodaman- | It's WinnyP4 |
| 16:24.09 | blast007 | jpt9: I'm on Windows XP ;) |
| 16:24.22 | blast007 | Visual Studio 2005 should be able to build just fine |
| 16:24.25 | Guest121 | im peterv |
| 16:24.30 | blast007 | Guest121: we know |
| 16:24.39 | Guest121 | how |
| 16:25.00 | blast007 | jpt9: for 2.0.10, there is a win32 directory, which contains a VC8 project |
| 16:25.09 | blast007 | that'll be the one for 2005 Visual Studio |
| 16:25.14 | Guest121 | lol |
| 16:25.18 | blast007 | you'll have better luck with Visual Studio |
| 16:25.19 | whodaman- | Guest121, because |
| 16:25.26 | jpt9 | Vim (or Emacs, if you prefer) is way better than the Visual Studio editor. |
| 16:25.29 | blast007 | and better support for the features of Windows |
| 16:25.36 | Guest121 | hi |
| 16:25.37 | jpt9 | oh... |
| 16:25.39 | jpt9 | ok. |
| 16:25.41 | blast007 | SDL degrades the feature set on Windows |
| 16:25.45 | Guest121 | lol |
| 16:26.00 | blast007 | like rumble feedback |
| 16:26.05 | blast007 | not sure if that works with SDL |
| 16:26.12 | Guest121 | heh |
| 16:26.18 | blast007 | and a few other things like that |
| 16:26.20 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM (n=Jeff@pool-71-109-231-178.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 16:26.23 | jpt9 | guess I might not have to be pissed about not having a gamepad with rumble... |
| 16:26.24 | blast007 | hi JeffM |
| 16:26.35 | JeffM | hey |
| 16:26.48 | Guest121 | hi |
| 16:26.52 | Guest121 | hi |
| 16:27.00 | WinnyP4 | dude, stop saying hi so much |
| 16:27.06 | Guest121 | lol |
| 16:27.10 | Guest121 | lol |
| 16:27.11 | WinnyP4 | that too. |
| 16:27.14 | Guest121 | k |
| 16:27.17 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 16:27.17 | jftsang | ban him |
| 16:27.29 | WinnyP4 | heh |
| 16:27.29 | JeffM2501 | thought so |
| 16:27.35 | blast007 | heh |
| 16:27.42 | blast007 | he probably just hit the wrong button |
| 16:27.48 | catay | well, he will come back every day now , trust me on that :p |
| 16:28.00 | JeffM2501 | it matters not |
| 16:28.10 | *** join/#bzflag synfox (n=62c29ff6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/zeebrothers.net/x-35ae8289d6821a06) |
| 16:28.17 | synfox | yo |
| 16:28.24 | synfox | hi |
| 16:28.29 | synfox | hi |
| 16:28.33 | blast007 | hi again |
| 16:28.39 | JeffM2501 | easy or hard synfox ? |
| 16:28.52 | synfox | its me dude |
| 16:28.59 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 16:29.04 | synfox | who |
| 16:29.08 | JeffM2501 | bye |
| 16:29.16 | synfox | lol |
| 16:29.18 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b *!*@*.net/x-35ae8289d6821a06] by JeffM2501 |
| 16:29.18 | *** kick/#bzflag [synfox!n=Jeff@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501] by JeffM2501 (JeffM2501) |
| 16:29.25 | WinnyP4 | yay |
| 16:29.47 | JeffM2501 | jpt9: that is old |
| 16:29.56 | blast007 | JeffM2501: you'll want to ban *!*62c29ff6@* |
| 16:29.57 | JeffM2501 | and why would it be part of the normal one in any case |
| 16:30.06 | JeffM2501 | blast007: no I want to ban zebrothers |
| 16:30.11 | blast007 | you didn't |
| 16:30.14 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 16:30.16 | blast007 | that last part of the ban is random |
| 16:30.16 | JeffM2501 | I'm fixing it |
| 16:30.18 | blast007 | k |
| 16:30.44 | blast007 | *!*@gateway/web/cgi-irc/zeebrothers.net/* |
| 16:31.00 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b *!*@*gateway/web/cgi-irc/zeebrothers.net*] by JeffM2501 |
| 16:31.11 | JeffM2501 | there |
| 16:31.17 | jftsang | I'm now no longer afraid to go on #bzflag :) |
| 16:31.25 | JeffM2501 | why were you ever? |
| 16:32.11 | whodaman- | JeffM2501, you missed most of it |
| 16:32.15 | jftsang | because of that guy... |
| 16:32.18 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure |
| 16:32.28 | JeffM2501 | jftsang: use your client's ignore |
| 16:33.13 | jpt9 | JeffM2501: should I just grab the latest from SVN then? |
| 16:33.24 | JeffM2501 | jpt9: it's broken |
| 16:33.30 | JeffM2501 | and incomatable with 2.0.x |
| 16:33.37 | jpt9 | oh. |
| 16:33.45 | blast007 | you want the v2_0branch SVN |
| 16:33.49 | blast007 | (2.0.11) |
| 16:33.54 | jpt9 | ok. |
| 16:34.00 | blast007 | http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN |
| 16:34.06 | JeffM2501 | there isn't much dif between 2.0.10 and 2.0.x branch |
| 16:34.10 | JeffM2501 | what are you trying to do? |
| 16:34.48 | jpt9 | play with changing some stuff in the code (color of the HUD reload meter, among other things). |
| 16:35.26 | jpt9 | also, I tried to build the 2.0.10 source; it wants curl.h. Where do I get this? |
| 16:35.38 | jpt9 | is it related to the web page downloading program? |
| 16:35.39 | JeffM2501 | google |
| 16:35.40 | jftsang | curl.haxx.se |
| 16:35.45 | blast007 | there should be a README.WIN32 |
| 16:36.05 | JeffM2501 | what compiler are you using? |
| 16:36.45 | jftsang | JeffM2501, does BZFlag use SSL? |
| 16:36.46 | jpt9 | I'm not sure what compiler it is; I'm using Visual Studio 2005. |
| 16:36.55 | jftsang | well, get MSVC |
| 16:36.57 | JeffM2501 | jftsang: no |
| 16:37.07 | JeffM2501 | jftsang: that is MSVC |
| 16:37.17 | jftsang | no |
| 16:37.25 | jftsang | I meant the MSVC libcURL binary |
| 16:37.28 | JeffM2501 | jpt9: you don't know what a compiler is and you are going to make code changes |
| 16:37.38 | JeffM2501 | jftsang: then you need to be more specificl; |
| 16:37.44 | JeffM2501 | jpt9: you need a number of libs |
| 16:38.03 | jpt9 | I know what a compiler is; I just don't know what one Visual Studio uses, as I've pretty much never used it. |
| 16:38.27 | JeffM2501 | the windows platform SDK, direct X 9 ( from april ), libcurl for MSVC, and pdcurses ( if you want to do bzadmin ) |
| 16:38.47 | jftsang | uuh |
| 16:38.49 | JeffM2501 | are you using full VC 2005 or the express edition? |
| 16:38.51 | jftsang | don't you need zlib |
| 16:38.57 | jpt9 | full. |
| 16:38.58 | blast007 | if it's the full visual studio, you shouldn't need the platform sdk or directx sdk |
| 16:39.03 | JeffM2501 | jftsang: only if you don't build your own curl |
| 16:39.15 | JeffM2501 | yeah if it's full you won't need thos |
| 16:39.24 | JeffM2501 | but it is good to get the directX |
| 16:39.33 | JeffM2501 | so you get the new joystick stuff |
| 16:39.39 | blast007 | meh, I'm still using what came with 2003 ;) |
| 16:39.48 | JeffM2501 | no rumble for you! |
| 16:39.53 | blast007 | I get rumble |
| 16:40.05 | JeffM2501 | 7.1 should only have DX 5 IIRC |
| 16:40.06 | JeffM2501 | not 7 |
| 16:40.10 | spldart | Is there a really good 'how to/wiki' on building bz in windoze? |
| 16:40.14 | blast007 | remember, I was the one that had fixed it up in the past |
| 16:40.17 | JeffM2501 | spldart: nope |
| 16:40.22 | JeffM2501 | just a readme |
| 16:40.31 | JeffM2501 | it's not THAT hard to build on windows |
| 16:40.33 | spldart | Seems to be a vacumm there |
| 16:40.34 | JeffM2501 | you just need the libs |
| 16:40.44 | blast007 | then you press "Build" |
| 16:40.47 | blast007 | poof |
| 16:40.51 | JeffM2501 | F5 FTW |
| 16:41.16 | jftsang | you need to get MSVC to know where to find them |
| 16:41.23 | JeffM2501 | jpt9: have you read the readme.win32? |
| 16:42.02 | jpt9 | not yet; i will. |
| 16:45.06 | jftsang | JeffM2501, I am having problems linking plugins: c:\documents and settings\jftsang\src\bzflag\plugins\sample_plugin\sample_plugin.cpp(5) : fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'plugin_utils.h': No such file or directory |
| 16:45.17 | jftsang | not linking, compiling |
| 16:45.19 | JeffM2501 | jftsang: you need to add the dir |
| 16:45.31 | jftsang | where is this plugin_utils.h though |
| 16:45.42 | JeffM2501 | in plugin_utils |
| 16:45.44 | blast007 | in the plugin_utils directory inside plugins/ |
| 16:45.57 | JeffM2501 | I fixed the sample plugin code yesterday for that |
| 16:46.01 | JeffM2501 | just look at the history |
| 16:47.22 | jftsang | ok, now I get c:\documents and settings\jftsang\bzflag\plugins\plugin_utils\plugin_utils.h(23) : error C3646: '_ATTRIBUTE12' : unknown override specifier |
| 16:47.37 | nn-main | jftsang, what plugin |
| 16:47.38 | JeffM2501 | what version are you using? |
| 16:47.46 | jftsang | 2.0.10 |
| 16:47.50 | jftsang | 2.0.11 |
| 16:48.03 | jftsang | any plugin, this is in plugin_utils.h |
| 16:48.30 | JeffM2501 | you sure you don't have files from trunk? |
| 16:48.53 | JeffM2501 | how did you add the dir? |
| 16:49.38 | JeffM2501 | you have files from trunk |
| 16:49.41 | jftsang | I added it as an INCLUDE dir |
| 16:49.51 | JeffM2501 | the full path or just a relitive one? |
| 16:49.57 | jftsang | full path |
| 16:49.58 | nn-main | jftsang, if your looking for a plugin that has allready been made; I compiled all the ones i could find and made a respotory of them in compiled form for my users |
| 16:50.04 | JeffM2501 | ../plugin_utils/ |
| 16:50.17 | JeffM2501 | nn-main: that's not the issue,just let us discuss it please |
| 16:50.40 | JeffM2501 | jftsang: if you did the full path, you put the path to files from 2.9.x not 2.0.x |
| 16:50.56 | nn-main | JeffM2501, ok :) |
| 16:50.57 | jftsang | ah |
| 16:51.06 | jftsang | nn-main, did you get my PMs |
| 16:51.16 | JeffM2501 | jftsang: wait, did you do it in the project? or in the tools -> options -> etc.. |
| 16:51.24 | jftsang | no |
| 16:51.29 | jftsang | I edited the file's #include |
| 16:51.35 | JeffM2501 | oh geez |
| 16:51.42 | JeffM2501 | right click on the project |
| 16:51.46 | JeffM2501 | properties |
| 16:51.47 | JeffM2501 | C++ |
| 16:51.54 | JeffM2501 | general |
| 16:52.02 | JeffM2501 | "additional include directories" |
| 16:52.10 | JeffM2501 | it shoudl already have ../../include |
| 16:52.26 | JeffM2501 | add ";../plugin_utils" after that |
| 16:52.29 | JeffM2501 | that's it |
| 16:52.35 | jftsang | ok |
| 16:52.36 | JeffM2501 | for both release and debug |
| 16:52.45 | JeffM2501 | also make sure you don't have any files from trunk hanging around |
| 16:55.08 | nn-main | jftsang, it is not in my box; did you pm it to nn |
| 16:55.25 | jftsang | nn-main, no, not BZBB PM, I mean IRC PM |
| 16:55.29 | JeffM2501 | gee and you wonder why it's a good idea to have ONE name |
| 16:56.31 | jftsang | what's the killall plugin? |
| 16:56.36 | nn-main | jftsang, lol ok |
| 16:57.06 | JeffM2501 | jftsang: what does it's name make it sound like it does? |
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| 17:09.42 | jftsang | yah... building ProximityMine still fails -- LINK : fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file '.\debug\ProximityMine.obj' |
| 17:10.17 | JeffM2501 | did it compile? |
| 17:13.02 | jftsang | yes |
| 17:13.08 | jftsang | uh |
| 17:13.09 | JeffM2501 | you SURE |
| 17:13.10 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 17:13.18 | jftsang | I can't see the obj anywhere |
| 17:13.18 | JeffM2501 | proxymine isn't set up correclty to build on windows |
| 17:13.21 | JeffM2501 | you have to make changes |
| 17:14.03 | jftsang | such as? |
| 17:14.19 | JeffM2501 | such as actualy add the source files to the vc project |
| 17:14.26 | JeffM2501 | and install boost |
| 17:14.34 | JeffM2501 | and set up the project to use bost |
| 17:14.39 | JeffM2501 | the author uses a mac |
| 17:14.43 | JeffM2501 | so he did no work for windows |
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| 17:35.25 | jftsang | nn-main, do you have proximity mine for linux |
| 17:35.43 | jftsang | (so if you were to host this map, could you use proximity mine) |
| 17:36.28 | nn-main | jftsang, that is my most used plugin on my server ; yes i have it :) :) |
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| 17:38.16 | blast007 | nn-main: even moreso than sample_plugin? |
| 17:40.13 | JeffM2501 | or whatever you use to spawn tons of bots? |
| 17:40.40 | nn-main | blast im working on bze making it suport read and wright ;; mostlikely edit all bzflag objects |
| 17:40.43 | nn-main | ? bots |
| 17:40.57 | JeffM2501 | bze? |
| 17:41.48 | Constitution | BZFlag Extended Edition |
| 17:41.55 | blast007 | some editor |
| 17:42.07 | JeffM2501 | another editor? |
| 17:42.24 | blast007 | http://www.icosaedro.it/bze/index.html |
| 17:42.27 | blast007 | from 2004 |
| 17:42.42 | JeffM2501 | nn-main: why don't you work on bzworkbench |
| 17:42.48 | JeffM2501 | if you are going to actualy code something |
| 17:42.57 | JeffM2501 | then you can contribute to the project |
| 17:43.00 | nn-main | last time a day or to ago I used 3 bzadmins on one map then knoxcornner whent bzadmin Nutz and added like 15 bzadmins to my maps Ack lol it was anying because they were all called nn ; then he started talking as them ;; that map is now down untill it can be moved to bzfmaps.net |
| 17:43.32 | JeffM2501 | umm yeah lol I guess |
| 17:43.44 | JeffM2501 | but seriously, you should do work in bzworkbench |
| 17:43.48 | JeffM2501 | if anything |
| 17:44.56 | nn-main | I need a simple program that is made in C ; m2 the languge is as simple as you can get ; then m2 complier just switches the m2 code to c ;;; That way i can avoide wacking my head agents C strings YAY ! |
| 17:44.57 | JeffM2501 | or do you only know m2? |
| 17:45.24 | nn-main | and classes :, |
| 17:45.25 | JeffM2501 | nn-main: so you don't want to learn anything, and don't care about helping the comunity that has helped you so much |
| 17:45.26 | JeffM2501 | great. |
| 17:46.27 | nn-main | I want to help the comunity I rember sitting down for a half of a week cloging through bzfed ;;; Failure |
| 17:46.44 | JeffM2501 | that's not a bzflag project |
| 17:46.51 | nn-main | m2 is the nicest ;; simplest in the coding aspect i came accorss |
| 17:46.59 | JeffM2501 | if you actualy wanted to help, you'd use one of our projects |
| 17:47.21 | JeffM2501 | you could also try to actualy learn C++ |
| 17:47.36 | JeffM2501 | but I guess that never crossed your mind |
| 17:47.40 | nn-main | I did I am sitll fustrated with classes |
| 17:47.51 | JeffM2501 | so you just gave up |
| 17:47.52 | JeffM2501 | nice |
| 17:47.57 | blast007 | C++ is more than just classes... |
| 17:48.05 | JeffM2501 | that just says "quality" in a systems admin |
| 17:48.20 | Winny | hehe |
| 17:48.26 | JeffM2501 | nn-main: we didn't make ether of those 2 editors just so you know. so we won't realy care about them |
| 17:48.34 | nn-main | no I just need time to get used to it right now I just need somthing that works and can wire frame view maps im putiing on the server |
| 17:48.36 | JeffM2501 | bze is going to have a very limited userbase |
| 17:48.50 | JeffM2501 | so that work is basicly pointless to anyone but you. |
| 17:48.57 | nn-main | bze uses x11 to display stuff |
| 17:49.06 | JeffM2501 | in a language noone cares about |
| 17:49.28 | nn-main | JeffM2501, when i release it we shall see wheter is is usefull to others .... |
| 17:49.47 | JeffM2501 | it won't run on windows |
| 17:49.52 | JeffM2501 | and what is the license? |
| 17:50.17 | nn-main | :) good point :) |
| 17:50.25 | nn-main | although cgwin ? |
| 17:50.38 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 17:50.43 | nn-main | humm |
| 17:50.44 | JeffM2501 | you can't distribue that code |
| 17:50.45 | blast007 | I don't see a license at all |
| 17:50.47 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 17:50.49 | blast007 | I only see a copyright |
| 17:50.53 | JeffM2501 | you techincaly can't even modify it |
| 17:51.30 | nn-main | print("This program is freeware. You can use it, modify it, copy it, etc.\n") |
| 17:51.38 | JeffM2501 | where is that? |
| 17:51.45 | nn-main | that is in the original code |
| 17:51.59 | JeffM2501 | you can't distribute it |
| 17:52.02 | JeffM2501 | you can use it |
| 17:52.07 | JeffM2501 | give THAT code to others |
| 17:52.11 | JeffM2501 | and modify it |
| 17:52.13 | JeffM2501 | that's it |
| 17:52.20 | JeffM2501 | you have no redistrobution rights |
| 17:52.25 | JeffM2501 | that is a very poor license |
| 17:52.33 | nn-main | ok ..... ok |
| 17:52.42 | blast007 | avobe that, it has the copyright as well ;) |
| 17:52.45 | blast007 | above* |
| 17:52.46 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 17:52.48 | JeffM2501 | he owns it |
| 17:52.56 | nn-main | well i need to talk to the owner |
| 17:53.04 | JeffM2501 | and has not granted you derivitive work rights |
| 17:53.08 | nn-main | maby he will clarify the licence |
| 17:53.25 | JeffM2501 | and noone is going to install cygwin on windows when what you have does basicly what BZEdit does |
| 17:53.41 | blast007 | at least bzedit has textures |
| 17:53.42 | JeffM2501 | but hey, it's your life |
| 17:54.33 | nn-main | Arg i already put so much work in to this I am going to finish it and Talk to the author ! |
| 17:54.46 | JeffM2501 | whatever floats your boat skip |
| 17:54.58 | blast007 | does it even use OpenGL for rendering? |
| 17:55.08 | JeffM2501 | how much work did you put in |
| 17:55.14 | JeffM2501 | weeks? |
| 17:55.16 | blast007 | all 3 hours |
| 17:55.26 | nn-main | and if there is a way to change the 15 ligns of code in m2 that do 2d x11 line drawing great ! |
| 17:55.43 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 17:56.08 | nn-main | well JeffM2501 down load m2 and look at the source |
| 17:56.21 | JeffM2501 | I don't run linux |
| 17:56.53 | blast007 | JeffM2501: omg, then install cygwin! |
| 17:56.54 | blast007 | ;) |
| 17:57.01 | JeffM2501 | RIIIGGGHHHTTT |
| 17:57.15 | nn-main | its standerd c that has a verry little light graphics interface ... ie a fiew ligns for tcl and tk and a fiew for x11 2d drawing |
| 17:57.18 | blast007 | and it screwed up my computer |
| 17:57.22 | blast007 | so I never tried it again |
| 17:57.29 | JeffM2501 | nn-main: I don't think you actualy know what you are saying |
| 17:57.32 | nn-main | so if you can fix thoes to include windows Great! |
| 17:57.50 | jftsang | JeffM2501, I remember that someone (you I think, or Tedius) said that bzfs on Windows could only support so many flags |
| 17:57.58 | JeffM2501 | nn-main: ok now I am 110% sure you don't know what you are saying |
| 17:57.58 | jftsang | is this fixed in a new version? |
| 17:58.01 | jftsang | if not, what's the limit? |
| 17:58.05 | blast007 | jftsang: bzfs on any OS only supports so many flags |
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| 17:58.23 | jftsang | blast007: I think someone said it was set at around 80 |
| 17:58.24 | nn-main | JeffM2501, i investigate somthing before i start i have looked closly at bze then closly at the underlying m2 c code |
| 17:58.28 | jftsang | but I find that I can put in a lot more |
| 17:58.39 | JeffM2501 | nn-main: doubtfull, but whatever you say skip |
| 17:59.10 | JeffM2501 | nn-main: if it's doing line drawing in X11 then it's doing it's own rendering. |
| 17:59.19 | nn-main | lol don't judge with out facts |
| 17:59.30 | JeffM2501 | nn-main: thats why I said, doubtfull |
| 17:59.37 | JeffM2501 | it was my OPINION |
| 17:59.37 | blast007 | I bet that will scale really well with large maps :P |
| 17:59.46 | nn-main | yes it does mathmatics for perspective drawing |
| 17:59.57 | JeffM2501 | this is from the m2 page "M2 is still a young project, and it lacks on many areas" |
| 18:00.02 | JeffM2501 | must be a great language |
| 18:00.08 | JeffM2501 | it even supports WINDOWS 98! |
| 18:00.17 | JeffM2501 | with cygwin |
| 18:00.20 | blast007 | heh |
| 18:00.22 | nn-main | lol |
| 18:00.29 | nn-main | it needs inpruvment |
| 18:00.43 | JeffM2501 | many things do |
| 18:01.08 | nn-main | its nice how you can include c in the actual program though with a $ infrount of the C line |
| 18:01.45 | JeffM2501 | I can include C in the code I write to |
| 18:01.53 | JeffM2501 | #include "nameoffile.h" |
| 18:01.55 | JeffM2501 | it's great |
| 18:02.04 | nn-main | the reason i chose it is it excells with string processing an allocating the areas I lag in |
| 18:02.29 | JeffM2501 | python |
| 18:02.41 | JeffM2501 | python > your little fake language |
| 18:04.35 | nn-main | the problem is the programs are eather to complex in c or I havent found one yet that i know how to work with |
| 18:04.40 | jftsang | what language is it? |
| 18:04.43 | JeffM2501 | m2 |
| 18:04.53 | JeffM2501 | nn-main: and how much have you done to learn C? |
| 18:05.18 | nn-main | i would love to work on ibzedit but how do you compile a .m file ! i couldent find compileing info any where |
| 18:05.21 | jftsang | well, I use LOGO, so I can hardly talk |
| 18:05.31 | blast007 | nn-main: ibzedit is only for OSX |
| 18:05.33 | JeffM2501 | nn-main: do you have a mac? |
| 18:05.43 | nn-main | aj |
| 18:05.46 | JeffM2501 | nn-main: how much have you done to actualy LEARN C |
| 18:05.51 | nn-main | see to posific |
| 18:05.58 | nn-main | I do know c |
| 18:05.58 | JeffM2501 | instead of just blindly flailing around |
| 18:06.05 | JeffM2501 | nn-main: you still haven't asnwered my question |
| 18:06.10 | JeffM2501 | as always |
| 18:06.15 | JeffM2501 | how much training have you done? |
| 18:06.20 | JeffM2501 | books, classes, etc.. |
| 18:06.30 | JeffM2501 | or has it all been just trying random things? |
| 18:06.35 | nn-main | look im going to finish this m2 program compile it .... take the c string code and then work from there ! |
| 18:06.47 | JeffM2501 | yep, same old nn |
| 18:07.02 | JeffM2501 | std::string str = "hi"; |
| 18:07.04 | JeffM2501 | there ya go |
| 18:07.07 | JeffM2501 | string 'code' |
| 18:07.29 | JeffM2501 | I mean are you making a map parser? |
| 18:07.33 | JeffM2501 | is that your goal? |
| 18:07.48 | JeffM2501 | cus there are a couple you can just use |
| 18:07.53 | nn-main | see the :: c class madness has returned lol |
| 18:08.04 | JeffM2501 | nn-main: that's a namespace |
| 18:08.14 | JeffM2501 | and it's C++ |
| 18:08.23 | JeffM2501 | if you can't allocate memory, then you don't "know" C |
| 18:08.31 | JeffM2501 | thats why I asked you how much training you have |
| 18:08.43 | JeffM2501 | but like always you are just blowing it all off to run around and do somethign "cool" |
| 18:08.46 | JeffM2501 | so have fun with it |
| 18:08.48 | nn-main | I have had enofugh of c name spaces when working on bzadmin |
| 18:08.55 | JeffM2501 | C dosn't have namespaces |
| 18:08.57 | JeffM2501 | C++ does |
| 18:09.03 | nn-main | JeffM2501, stop degrading people |
| 18:09.22 | JeffM2501 | nn-main: I was just trying to ask you how much experience you had |
| 18:09.41 | JeffM2501 | and to see if you'd be willing to help the project like you said you wanted to so many times |
| 18:09.50 | JeffM2501 | if I've offended you I'm sorry |
| 18:10.00 | JeffM2501 | have fun on your editor project |
| 18:11.05 | nn-main | wrote almost a complete monopoly .... and got 1st place in a scince fair some what like 30 pages and I was 12 years old !!!!! |
| 18:11.21 | Winny | uh, ok. |
| 18:11.31 | JeffM2501 | and yet none of that is an actual answer to my question |
| 18:11.32 | nn-main | I stoped codeing untill recently because i was learning the linux shell |
| 18:11.54 | JeffM2501 | I'll take it that you learned C by just playing around with it |
| 18:11.59 | nn-main | now im 15 Im attemting harder code and all you do is tell me im stupid |
| 18:12.03 | JeffM2501 | and haven't had that much formal training |
| 18:12.12 | JeffM2501 | that's fine, and a valid answer to the question |
| 18:12.20 | JeffM2501 | when did I say you were stupid? |
| 18:12.48 | nn-main | Man i really hate arguing time to close xchat |
| 18:12.48 | JeffM2501 | I did not intend to argue, I simply asked you questions |
| 18:12.49 | JeffM2501 | that you refuesed to answer |
| 18:12.51 | JeffM2501 | that's it |
| 18:15.35 | nn-main | All I need m2 for is a c parafraser and line drawing 2d calculations ;;; then i can do what ever I want with the c Source m2 makes |
| 18:16.02 | JeffM2501 | I don't understand the term parafraser? |
| 18:16.04 | blast007 | parafraser? |
| 18:16.05 | JeffM2501 | do you mean parse? |
| 18:16.16 | JeffM2501 | like to read text from a file and turn it into data? |
| 18:16.23 | JeffM2501 | to read the bzw format? |
| 18:16.27 | blast007 | "paraphraser" ? |
| 18:17.05 | blast007 | JeffM2501: this network issue in trunk is weird |
| 18:17.10 | JeffM2501 | blast007: told you |
| 18:17.12 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 18:17.20 | JeffM2501 | like mind boggle wierd |
| 18:17.27 | blast007 | the only packet I get back from the server is MsgUDPLinkEstablished |
| 18:17.36 | JeffM2501 | we got a malformed one |
| 18:17.47 | JeffM2501 | that was suposed to be the servers responce to the connect header |
| 18:19.32 | blast007 | I'm not as good with the networking code as some of the other areas ;) so it's fun to trace all this down |
| 18:19.54 | blast007 | though it has changed a lot from 2.0.x, right? |
| 18:20.33 | JeffM2501 | we got to the point where basicly SOMETHING is packing too much data or packing it in the wrong order, cus the part that parses out the message keyword code was not getting the correct thing |
| 18:20.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's changed a lot |
| 18:20.48 | JeffM2501 | cus we do client push now on connect |
| 18:21.02 | JeffM2501 | and I rewrote all the message handler |
| 18:21.40 | nn-main | well i almost have a complete parafrase etc in the m2 sourvce im working on so when i finish that ..... since it is in PLANE #C I can work form there and use any way form or etc! to finish somthing which i dont know if anyone will like anyway all that matters is a tool to help me as a map hoster and possibly if anyone will ecept it pass it to others |
| 18:22.07 | blast007 | so is packing issue in the server then? |
| 18:22.16 | JeffM2501 | blast007: that's my gut feeling |
| 18:22.19 | blast007 | hmm |
| 18:22.24 | JeffM2501 | but we WATCHED it get packed correctly |
| 18:22.38 | blast007 | with a debugger, or with a packet sniffer? |
| 18:22.40 | JeffM2501 | it's possible that there is just an extra bit in some stream somewhere |
| 18:22.43 | JeffM2501 | debuger |
| 18:22.52 | JeffM2501 | packetsniffer may do better |
| 18:23.57 | blast007 | not that I can read packed data that well, but might be useful anyway ;) |
| 18:24.14 | JeffM2501 | geting the len and code out are not too bad |
| 18:24.19 | JeffM2501 | those are where it's geting screwed up |
| 18:24.27 | JeffM2501 | so first 4 bytes of each packet |
| 18:24.39 | blast007 | hmm |
| 18:24.57 | blast007 | ethereal to the rescue |
| 18:25.22 | JeffM2501 | IIRC the first 2 bytes are the lenght |
| 18:25.30 | JeffM2501 | so reverse them into an unsigned short |
| 18:25.34 | JeffM2501 | then the next 2 are the code |
| 18:25.35 | JeffM2501 | reverse |
| 18:25.47 | JeffM2501 | so just look at them as chars |
| 18:25.54 | JeffM2501 | and it'll have the 2 letter code |
| 18:25.56 | blast007 | I'll probabl just write a nice PHP script to do it for me ;) |
| 18:26.10 | blast007 | already have a file with all the message codes from 2.0.x |
| 18:26.10 | JeffM2501 | well, wait, are you on the mini? |
| 18:26.17 | blast007 | on my laptop |
| 18:26.19 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 18:26.22 | JeffM2501 | yeah then reverse |
| 18:26.31 | JeffM2501 | if you were on the mini, it'd be correct order ;) |
| 18:26.39 | JeffM2501 | the last of big endian |
| 18:27.28 | blast007 | pfft, their latest installer package for ethereal is corrupt :P |
| 18:27.33 | blast007 | tried two mirrors so far |
| 18:28.10 | blast007 | hmm, is wireshark the new name for ethereal? |
| 18:28.28 | Constitution | brlcad: ping |
| 18:28.28 | short_circuit | BooYah! thanks again... testdisk salvaged both the lost partition drives in my fileserver... the others are all just fsck'ing out... thanks again |
| 18:29.39 | blast007 | apparently it is |
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| 18:33.58 | Constitution | okay, I have a Mac 2.0.10 build ready to post... if anyone cares to check it before I do, be my guest: http://fairserve.net/const/BZFlag-2.0.10.dmg |
| 18:34.15 | whodaman- | ~constitution++ |
| 18:35.16 | JeffM2501 | just post it |
| 18:35.27 | JeffM2501 | you've had it up there for ages |
| 18:35.36 | JeffM2501 | if there is an issue we can update it on SF |
| 18:35.49 | Constitution | k |
| 18:36.11 | JeffM2501 | the only person who can comlain is brlcad, and he's had PLENTY of time to do it |
| 18:36.17 | JeffM2501 | so it'd be his own fault |
| 18:38.51 | Constitution | this is the same binary that I've had posted, but has the disk image background with auto-open |
| 18:40.10 | JeffM2501 | exactly why you should just post it |
| 18:40.20 | JeffM2501 | we've beat around THAT bush for far too long |
| 18:40.43 | Constitution | what bush? |
| 18:41.11 | JeffM2501 | the "is the mac version ok" bush |
| 18:41.23 | Constitution | ah... yeah |
| 18:41.25 | JeffM2501 | and not having a mac build on sf |
| 18:48.47 | Constitution | okay, posted |
| 18:49.20 | Winny | ~Constitution++ |
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| 19:36.12 | blast007 | geez, no wonder the trunk code is broken. Unless I'm reading this wrong, the server is sending the wrong length for every single packet :/ |
| 19:41.57 | brlcad | ~Constitution++ |
| 19:42.04 | brlcad | no complaints here |
| 19:42.26 | Constitution | cool |
| 19:46.27 | blast007 | brlcad: have you looked much at the network issues in trunk? |
| 19:46.49 | DTRemenak | blast007: compare it to a working server |
| 19:47.01 | blast007 | DTRemenak: which ones work? |
| 19:47.17 | DTRemenak | check out trunk from before Dec 1 |
| 19:47.36 | DTRemenak | bzflag.swordofkahless.com is running a mid-november build still iirc |
| 19:47.49 | blast007 | hmm, k |
| 19:50.29 | brlcad | blast007: have not |
| 19:52.02 | blast007 | I get a lot further with that server, DTRemenak |
| 19:52.26 | blast007 | actually get the map downloaded and get spawned, though I'm spawned weird |
| 19:52.32 | blast007 | sealed and can't move |
| 19:52.36 | DTRemenak | the client should work completely with servers from that time period |
| 19:52.44 | blast007 | it doesn't |
| 19:52.47 | DTRemenak | if not it's possibly an additional client problem that should be fixed |
| 19:55.01 | blast007 | at a quick look, the data length on the bzflag.swordofkahless.com packets are correct |
| 19:55.39 | DTRemenak | they are different than current trunk? |
| 19:55.50 | blast007 | yes |
| 19:55.55 | DTRemenak | interesting |
| 19:56.13 | blast007 | in the latest trunk, MsgUDPLinkEstablished had a length of 5, but 1 byte of data |
| 19:56.33 | blast007 | on kahnless, it has a length of 0, and no additional data |
| 19:57.32 | blast007 | there is 4 bytes of data in the packet itself |
| 19:57.50 | DTRemenak | 2 byte length, 2 byte code |
| 19:57.51 | blast007 | but I'm talking about the first two bytes that signify the length of the data |
| 19:57.59 | DTRemenak | length marker should be 4, right? |
| 19:58.10 | DTRemenak | unless I was reading the docs wrong, or the docs were wrong :) |
| 19:58.12 | blast007 | no, it doesn't count the length and the code |
| 19:58.35 | blast007 | so if it's just the length and the code, the length will be 0 |
| 19:59.22 | blast007 | I can upload these two wireshark dumps if that helps |
| 19:59.29 | DTRemenak | no, I believe you :) |
| 19:59.34 | DTRemenak | just needs to be fixed :) |
| 19:59.53 | blast007 | the client was sending stuff properly |
| 20:00.09 | blast007 | at least up to the point where it hung |
| 20:01.53 | DTRemenak | interesting. they both go through the same set of code... |
| 20:02.43 | blast007 | http://static.bzexcess.com/bzf/badserver.txt |
| 20:04.23 | DTRemenak | blast007: remove BufferedNetworkMessage.cxx:252/253 if you want to set the length to only the size of the packed data |
| 20:05.30 | DTRemenak | and change the later packedSize references in that function to be packedSize+4 |
| 20:06.02 | DTRemenak | (lines 259 and 266) |
| 20:07.36 | blast007 | k |
| 20:08.36 | DTRemenak | though the length definitely seems to be wrong in other cases also |
| 20:08.50 | DTRemenak | len 6 with 5 byte data, for instance |
| 20:10.56 | blast007 | and MsgUDPLinkEstablished didn't have any additional data in kahnless, but it did on a trunk server |
| 20:11.29 | blast007 | hmm |
| 20:12.11 | blast007 | send(MsgUDPLinkEstablished, 0, NULL); <-- is the NULL supposed to be sent? |
| 20:12.27 | DTRemenak | prolly not |
| 20:12.31 | blast007 | it was ;) |
| 20:12.37 | blast007 | wasn't on kahnless |
| 20:13.25 | DTRemenak | that's client-side though |
| 20:13.35 | blast007 | no, that was from the server |
| 20:13.50 | DTRemenak | that line of code is in src\bzflag\ServerLink.cxx |
| 20:13.55 | blast007 | hmm |
| 20:13.55 | DTRemenak | not in the server |
| 20:14.36 | DTRemenak | but yeah, we definitely pack a 0 on the server too |
| 20:15.58 | DTRemenak | hmm, cia is not picking up commits :( |
| 20:16.16 | DTRemenak | update bzfs.cxx, I pulled the pack(0) from it |
| 20:16.42 | blast007 | k |
| 20:17.30 | Winny | I must be hungry |
| 20:17.39 | Winny | I saw "butterednetworkmessage" |
| 20:17.54 | DTRemenak | bad font then ;) |
| 20:19.46 | DTRemenak | there are a couple other places we pack and send 0 |
| 20:21.26 | DTRemenak | looks like at least one of those is right though (MsgNewRabbit did it before too...) |
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| 20:22.29 | blast007 | consistency ftl |
| 20:22.41 | DTRemenak | tangibility reset did not though, I'll pull that one |
| 20:22.56 | DTRemenak | or rather, "tanagability" reset |
| 20:23.02 | randomparticle | i had threaded screenshotting semi-working. the screenshot delay is more or less imperceptible |
| 20:23.27 | randomparticle | but there's some thread interaction nastiness or something |
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| 20:24.07 | randomparticle | there's a bug somewhere that's eluding me. looks promising though |
| 20:24.17 | blast007 | randomparticle: cool |
| 20:24.47 | randomparticle | do these pthread calls work under windows too? |
| 20:25.24 | DTRemenak | with libpthread |
| 20:25.29 | randomparticle | ok |
| 20:25.44 | DTRemenak | it's kind of a pain, but not too bad |
| 20:25.55 | DTRemenak | I think we could convince jeffm to require it :) |
| 20:26.01 | randomparticle | :) |
| 20:26.30 | DTRemenak | also note that pthreads-w32 is actually a subset of pthreads |
| 20:26.52 | DTRemenak | see http://sourceware.org/pthreads-win32/conformance.html for more information |
| 20:27.12 | randomparticle | ok, thanks |
| 20:27.35 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16473 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsMessages.cxx: don't pack zero |
| 20:27.39 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16474 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (3 files): tanagability->tangibility globally |
| 20:27.39 | randomparticle | i'll try and keep it simple |
| 20:27.46 | DTRemenak | hey, there we go |
| 20:27.49 | blast007 | DTRemenak: hehe |
| 20:27.58 | blast007 | guess your wish came true :P |
| 20:28.42 | blast007 | building again, we'll see how this goes |
| 20:29.20 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16475 10/trunk/bzflag/TODO: note about MsgNewRabbit packing an empty byte. should take that out once the BNM stuff is working |
| 20:29.43 | DTRemenak | I don't want to break protocol while we're working on getting this stuff working ;) |
| 20:29.53 | blast007 | :) |
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| 20:35.29 | blast007 | DTRemenak: okay, after those changes, the server isn't sending any data back at all (except the BZFS0057 and TCP ACK's) |
| 20:35.39 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 20:35.52 | DTRemenak | does it crash? |
| 20:35.56 | blast007 | but the client doesn't hang now |
| 20:36.19 | blast007 | oooh, yeah, that could do it >.< |
| 20:36.54 | DTRemenak | heh |
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| 20:38.47 | blast007 | it's dying at line 50 in BufferedNetworkMessage.cxx |
| 20:38.49 | blast007 | memcpy(data,msg.data,dataSize); |
| 20:39.34 | DTRemenak | what's the code? |
| 20:39.41 | blast007 | MsgUDPLinkEstablished |
| 20:39.44 | DTRemenak | and dataSize? |
| 20:40.08 | blast007 | dataSize = 4 |
| 20:40.19 | DTRemenak | erm, and why are we copying it? :) |
| 20:40.36 | blast007 | msg.data shows <Bad Ptr> |
| 20:40.47 | DTRemenak | ahh, 'cause there's been no pack. kk |
| 20:40.54 | blast007 | hrm, msg.code is 0 |
| 20:41.25 | blast007 | or is that supposed to be at this point? |
| 20:41.55 | DTRemenak | no, I think we're not supposed to be copying that yet |
| 20:42.11 | DTRemenak | we're getting a copy constructor call and I'm not sure why |
| 20:42.31 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16476 10/trunk/bzflag/src/common/BufferedNetworkMessage.cxx: always perform the initial allocation |
| 20:42.33 | DTRemenak | that will fix the crash though |
| 20:43.23 | DTRemenak | what was your call stack? |
| 20:43.29 | DTRemenak | I want to know why it was copying the message |
| 20:43.40 | brlcad | fwiw, I've posted up a brief GSoC overview presentation that I put together/presented a short while ago |
| 20:43.44 | brlcad | can see it at http://my.bzflag.org/gsoc/GSoC2007_Overview.pdf |
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| 20:48.00 | TD-Linux | brlcad, out of curiosity, what program did you use to make that? |
| 20:48.48 | Manu | brlcad: nice doc :) |
| 20:49.26 | brlcad | TD-Linux: keynote |
| 20:54.26 | randomparticle | bz locks up if i put glReadPixels in another thread. don't know why yet. so i call that first, create the new thread and pass the pixels to it as i do so |
| 20:56.08 | randomparticle | is the gl context available to new threads? |
| 20:56.39 | TD-Linux | brlcad, wow, that beats any program I've used... but I can't use keynote :( |
| 20:58.52 | blast007 | DTRemenak: http://static.bzexcess.com/bzf/callstack.txt |
| 21:02.25 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:03.06 | DTRemenak | cute...he creates a message, then sends a copy as "LinkEstablished", then sends the original as "LinkRequest" |
| 21:05.02 | DTRemenak | which is more or less what we did originally, so nothing evil there |
| 21:05.38 | blast007 | should is grab your update and try again? |
| 21:06.16 | DTRemenak | wait a sec |
| 21:06.49 | blast007 | k |
| 21:07.07 | DTRemenak | yeah, go ahead |
| 21:07.09 | DTRemenak | should work |
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| 21:44.38 | blast007 | DTRemenak: woo, I got into the server and spawned (though I encountered the same spawn issue as the kahnless server) |
| 21:45.04 | JeffM | mirkwood is actualy hosting a game? |
| 21:45.32 | DTRemenak | blast007: sounds good |
| 21:45.35 | blast007 | JeffM: the trunk client is closer to working |
| 21:45.36 | DTRemenak | JeffM: no, trunk works ;) |
| 21:45.46 | JeffM | even better |
| 21:45.47 | JeffM | what was it? |
| 21:45.54 | DTRemenak | couple things |
| 21:45.58 | DTRemenak | packet length again |
| 21:45.59 | blast007 | though I sent a chat message, and the client crashed |
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| 21:46.06 | JeffM | chat is for chumps |
| 21:46.10 | DTRemenak | packing stuff in packets that should be empty |
| 21:46.11 | blast007 | I sent a lagstats and that came back okay though |
| 21:46.26 | DTRemenak | copying messages with null buffers |
| 21:46.27 | DTRemenak | that sort of thing |
| 21:46.30 | JeffM | ahh |
| 21:46.40 | JeffM | well good that it's geting worked on |
| 21:46.50 | DTRemenak | there are probably still plenty of problems |
| 21:46.54 | DTRemenak | but it connects ;) |
| 21:46.58 | blast007 | :) |
| 21:47.02 | JeffM | yeah but if it conencts the rest are hopefully easier to find |
| 21:47.06 | DTRemenak | ~blast007++ |
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| 22:16.21 | JeffM | DTRemenak: http://www.opencombat.net/files/jp-logo.png |
| 22:16.27 | JeffM | that more better? |
| 22:16.32 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 22:16.51 | DTRemenak | looks crooked to me |
| 22:17.00 | JeffM | it is slighly |
| 22:17.11 | DTRemenak | and totally looks like a logo for a bad cartoon :P |
| 22:17.16 | JeffM | I'm sure I'll have to take off the for science part and I'll realighn it |
| 22:17.17 | DTRemenak | not that that's a bad thing |
| 22:17.22 | JeffM | exactly |
| 22:17.32 | JeffM | indiana jones font FTW! |
| 22:19.28 | JeffM | this better? http://www.opencombat.net/files/jp-logo2.png |
| 22:19.50 | DTRemenak | yeah, that looks good |
| 22:21.39 | JeffM | best font on windows, WEBDINGS! |
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| 22:48.02 | Winny | ~blast007 |
| 22:48.09 | ibot | it has been said that blast007 is very crazy, or a cheese-stealer |
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| 22:58.35 | blast007 | cool, when I send a chat message in trunk, the client just exits ;) |
| 22:58.52 | JeffM | that's af feature |
| 22:58.56 | JeffM | to prevent spaming |
| 22:59.04 | JeffM | everyone should be using teamspeak anyway |
| 23:01.40 | L4m3r | oh god |
| 23:01.53 | L4m3r | can you imagine? |
| 23:02.05 | JeffM | most would be to embarased to talk :) |
| 23:02.38 | Alex135 | lol |
| 23:02.56 | Alex135 | i would.. if i could get my mic to work in ubuntu :P stupid sound card is too new... |
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| 23:14.18 | blast007 | well, found the issue with sending messages |
| 23:14.29 | blast007 | now to see if I can fix it ;) |
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| 23:22.05 | blast007 | heh, that would do it |
| 23:22.29 | blast007 | getTeam() from the Player class is returning AutomaticTeam, which has a value of -2 |
| 23:22.41 | blast007 | which is not something you should pass to an array |
| 23:22.54 | JeffM | awsom! |
| 23:23.36 | blast007 | yeah, works fine when I don't join with the "automatic team" |
| 23:23.57 | JeffM | should return the efective team |
| 23:24.17 | blast007 | yup |
| 23:24.25 | blast007 | technically it was *set* wrong |
| 23:24.43 | JeffM | ahh |
| 23:24.46 | JeffM | fix it? |
| 23:25.10 | blast007 | looking for where it gets set |
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| 23:51.38 | DTRemenak | urggg |
| 23:51.44 | DTRemenak | found the spawn bug |
| 23:52.06 | DTRemenak | someone typoed "defaultFOV" as "defaultOV" (and apparently didn't test the client after making the change...) |
| 23:52.23 | a_meteorite | DTRemenak: Let me guess: JeffM? |
| 23:52.45 | JeffM | WHOOT! |
| 23:52.51 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 23:53.13 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16477 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/clientCommands.cxx: defaultFOV, not defaultOV. NaN is really really bad for an FOV. |
| 23:53.39 | DTRemenak | yet another case where 30 seconds of testing would have saved an hour and a half of debugging |
| 23:54.13 | JeffM | probabluy |
| 23:55.18 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16478 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: don't hardcode wide angle, just double the current FOV (so it affects people with widescreen at least as much as those with normal aspect ratios) |
| 23:55.23 | JeffM | but it's been a great motivator at getting more devs in the code ;) |
| 23:55.39 | DTRemenak | no, it has not |
| 23:55.40 | JeffM | see look, ENHANCEMENT :) |
| 23:55.45 | JeffM | I'm joking |
| 23:56.03 | DTRemenak | it's just prevented me from working on other enhancements |
| 23:56.05 | DTRemenak | heh, true :) |
| 23:56.16 | JeffM | I cannna change the past capin |
| 23:56.28 | JeffM | well scotty could, I can't |
| 23:56.33 | DTRemenak | I know, but I'd like to think that berating you about the past will improve the future :) |
| 23:56.44 | JeffM | not likely |
| 23:56.52 | DTRemenak | like I said, I'd like to think... :) |
