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| 00:56.25 | blast007 | JeffM: in the next day or so I'll probably apply that quick-reply mod to my phpbb3, as well as tie the list server into it and make sure it all works |
| 00:56.26 | blast007 | I also think I need to port over the grouptext.php file we have on the server |
| 00:56.33 | blast007 | (it outputs the members of a group in plain text) |
| 00:56.49 | blast007 | I'm not sure who uses that though |
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| 01:14.09 | JeffM | blast007, do we really need to have that if Constitution is building a management system? |
| 01:14.37 | blast007 | probably not |
| 01:14.45 | blast007 | I think it was used for some leagues maybe |
| 01:14.59 | JeffM | they can live till the manger is done. |
| 01:15.02 | blast007 | I really don't know if it is even used anymore, but there's one way to find out... just disable it ;) |
| 01:15.14 | JeffM | well, there is another way |
| 01:15.18 | JeffM | check the logs for the URL |
| 01:15.27 | blast007 | or make it write logs itself |
| 01:15.51 | JeffM | change the name of the file slightly ;) |
| 01:21.43 | Constitution | plaintext is nice, though |
| 01:22.11 | Constitution | easier than parsing the data out of the html |
| 01:22.37 | JeffM | I'm not sure we should publish the contents of a group to just anyone |
| 01:23.03 | Constitution | mm, true |
| 01:23.07 | JeffM | even the game server dosn't get a group listing |
| 01:23.23 | JeffM | just a yes no on "is this user in this group?" |
| 01:23.48 | Constitution | maybe it should only work with non-hidden groups? |
| 01:23.48 | JeffM | weblogin can do the same thing |
| 01:23.57 | JeffM | so I can't see why anyone would need a list |
| 01:24.09 | JeffM | the hidden stuff is a phpbb thing |
| 01:24.16 | Constitution | it would be handy for lists of admins on web sites |
| 01:24.20 | JeffM | I don't see any reason to take that to the new list system |
| 01:24.32 | Constitution | I'll bet the silvercat web site used that |
| 01:24.37 | JeffM | the owners of those sites should know ;) |
| 01:24.44 | JeffM | since they set them as admin |
| 01:24.44 | Erroneous | menotume wrote it, ask him |
| 01:25.10 | JeffM | perhaps maybe an optiop for "publish this group as text" for each group |
| 01:25.16 | JeffM | then give them a URL for that specific group |
| 01:25.19 | JeffM | but make it opt in |
| 01:25.23 | Erroneous | if there wasn't a need for it he wouldn't have written it, I don't think ;) |
| 01:25.39 | JeffM | ye may have writen it before we had the weblogin verification thing |
| 01:25.44 | Constitution | so hidden groups shouldn't even be a part of the new system? |
| 01:25.44 | JeffM | cus that can do groups |
| 01:25.51 | JeffM | Constitution, I can't see why |
| 01:26.16 | JeffM | since it's not tied to phpbb, there is no "usergroups" listing |
| 01:26.46 | JeffM | so I can't see any reason to have shown or not shown groups |
| 01:26.50 | JeffM | or open groups, etc.. |
| 01:27.01 | JeffM | the only rason we have them now is cus of phpbb |
| 01:27.04 | Constitution | so users should only be able to see groups they are a member of? |
| 01:27.07 | JeffM | and it uses groups TOTALY difrent then we do |
| 01:27.10 | Erroneous | I can see reasons for wanting shown/not shown |
| 01:27.17 | JeffM | Erroneous, shown where? |
| 01:27.39 | JeffM | Constitution, yeah I think so |
| 01:27.49 | Erroneous | group query. so a server op could link to the group from his/her own website, say "hey, if you need help ask one of these people" |
| 01:27.50 | blast007 | JeffM: you have to be in the group to see the group users |
| 01:27.51 | JeffM | and put a perm on the group if they can even see the otehr memembers. |
| 01:28.05 | JeffM | Erroneous, for that I'd use the publish as text thing with a specific URL |
| 01:28.06 | blast007 | grouptext.php is tied into the login cookie for bzbb |
| 01:28.32 | JeffM | blast007, I know, I'm thinking of an even stricter setting where you cant' even see the members of that group you are in |
| 01:28.41 | JeffM | like for a "jerks" group |
| 01:28.50 | Erroneous | you need a toggle for that anyway. there are groups you don't want to be listed. so why not allow listing on our own site too? |
| 01:28.50 | blast007 | heh |
| 01:28.52 | JeffM | since we can now make it so that users can't drop out of a group ;) |
| 01:29.05 | JeffM | Erroneous, cus there isn't realy a need in our group use |
| 01:29.30 | JeffM | I can't see any reason for somone to say "hey what groups are there"? |
| 01:29.44 | Erroneous | not "what groups are there" but "what users are in this group" |
| 01:30.02 | JeffM | Erroneous, I'd only show that if the group owner was set to have a published page |
| 01:30.08 | Erroneous | exactly |
| 01:30.28 | Erroneous | but that's not a "publish as text" thing |
| 01:30.48 | JeffM | well Constitution said that it'd be nice to not have to parse out the HTML |
| 01:30.53 | JeffM | for those that want external access |
| 01:31.09 | JeffM | so that system can be used for both uses |
| 01:31.15 | JeffM | external and internal |
| 01:31.32 | JeffM | and we put a box that you enter the group into and just sends you to that URL from the site |
| 01:31.37 | JeffM | and you see the list |
| 01:31.48 | JeffM | I don't see any reason to make 2 versions, one fancy and one text |
| 01:31.52 | Erroneous | be hella ugly for internal. we need to be able to show users to other users in that group anyway, why not allow the formatted group list for external users also, if so flagged? |
| 01:32.07 | JeffM | true |
| 01:32.13 | JeffM | but only if so flaged |
| 01:32.22 | JeffM | and that flag is off by default |
| 01:32.30 | Erroneous | yeah, there are groups you want shown and groups you don't |
| 01:32.53 | Erroneous | just like admins are shown by default in servers |
| 01:33.22 | JeffM | I don't, I worry about abbuses, people bugging the heck out of group memebers, etc.. |
| 01:33.41 | JeffM | but that's bikeshed untill it becomes a system :) |
| 01:33.52 | Erroneous | and you don't worry about that with admin flags on servers? |
| 01:34.01 | Erroneous | it's total bikeshed anyway :) |
| 01:34.21 | JeffM | admins are only shown when they are on, there is no way to get a list of all the admins on a server. |
| 01:34.36 | Erroneous | they are shown by default though |
| 01:34.37 | JeffM | right now you can't go and jsut get a user dump of who's in any group |
| 01:34.43 | JeffM | that's what I worry about |
| 01:35.02 | Erroneous | your philosophy would have "turn HIDEADMIN into SHOWADMIN" too, if carried to its logical conclusion |
| 01:35.14 | JeffM | possibly yeah |
| 01:35.25 | JeffM | just like how you like to run on IRC, op only when needed ;) |
| 01:35.38 | JeffM | ops should be invisible |
| 01:35.47 | Erroneous | I think "I need to contact these people for help" is a hell of a lot more common, and a hell of a lot more important, than "I need to harass these people" |
| 01:35.58 | JeffM | perhaps |
| 01:36.13 | blast007 | heh... I had a mod back in 1.7 that really made the admins invisible... would make myself appear to log off the server, but I could still watch via observer ;) |
| 01:37.18 | Winny | :o |
| 01:37.24 | JeffM | perhaps set the admin and owner group that is created on org registration to shown by defalut, and have any other groups be opt in. |
| 01:37.48 | JeffM | I'm just woried that people will forget about it and leave it shown and then get abbused |
| 01:37.54 | JeffM | but I may be paranoid |
| 01:38.36 | Erroneous | sounds like a decent solution to me actually. that's how I'll probably have my own servers set up; admin shown and everything else not. |
| 01:38.56 | JeffM | colaborative discussion FTW! |
| 01:39.38 | Erroneous | but ultimately it's up to the man who writes the code ;) |
| 01:39.43 | JeffM | indeed |
| 01:39.55 | JeffM | he's a prety cool guy tho and takes discussions to heart |
| 01:42.22 | JeffM | there are things I worry about, like one server using another servers admin group as a ban group for instaince. I know totaly within there rights as owners of a server, but still not cool, and not what groups are meant for, etc.. |
| 01:43.45 | Erroneous | what about one server using another server's admin group as an cop group? I tend to think that'd be more common ;) |
| 01:44.02 | JeffM | yeah, probale, but I'd think then they'd ask |
| 01:44.07 | JeffM | and it'd all be cool |
| 01:44.52 | Erroneous | and I didn't ask ;) |
| 01:45.06 | JeffM | well if you can guess em, then sure |
| 01:45.42 | JeffM | I was pondering asking for a "only allow acceess from this domain" filed for that reason, but I'd leave it off by default. |
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| 01:51.07 | Erroneous | JeffM: You may find it worthwhile to try running a decently popular server for a while. It gave me a lot of insight that I didn't expect. |
| 01:51.19 | JeffM | I'm sure you are correct |
| 01:53.53 | Erroneous | it's a bit of a different perspective |
| 01:55.09 | a_meteorite | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=12149 |
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| 01:55.42 | JeffM | and? |
| 01:55.44 | a_meteorite | That's probably turning out to be more of a plug to them than what it's actually resolving. Though I see why he is posting that. |
| 01:56.00 | a_meteorite | *Though I can see why |
| 01:56.10 | JeffM | how is it a plug? |
| 01:56.13 | JeffM | it dosn't link anywhere |
| 01:56.24 | a_meteorite | They get a kick out of it |
| 01:56.29 | a_meteorite | But whatever, I'm just pointing it out |
| 01:56.45 | JeffM | they get a kick out of lots of things |
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| 01:56.51 | a_meteorite | I'm sure |
| 01:57.33 | JeffM | I have that one |
| 01:57.37 | Erroneous | heh :) |
| 01:57.45 | JeffM | need ones that rotate |
| 01:58.05 | JeffM | once and for I want to make an edit camera that actualy drags in the view plane |
| 01:59.09 | Erroneous | ahh |
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| 02:04.11 | a_meteorite | spldart: It's safe to come back, Winny just got a bit excited... lol... |
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| 02:04.27 | Winny | anti-excited* |
| 02:04.33 | a_meteorite | lol |
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| 02:17.28 | JeffM | man I hope I did this right |
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| 02:18.52 | CBG | *BOOM* ... guess not. |
| 02:21.27 | dessy | night all! |
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| 02:22.55 | Winny | morning :P |
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| 02:23.53 | dessy | ok cu all :89 |
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| 02:29.34 | JeffM | well so far so good for one axis :) |
| 02:33.38 | TD-Linux | yay |
| 02:33.45 | TD-Linux | have you ever tried to write matrix code in z80? |
| 02:34.07 | JeffM | oh I have the matrix code |
| 02:34.11 | TD-Linux | I fail... I can't grasp my mind on it after getting about 4 pushes deep into the stack :( |
| 02:34.14 | JeffM | it's using them in the right way that is fun ;) |
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| 02:34.50 | JeffM | I have to make a matrix that represents the camera rotation |
| 02:35.09 | JeffM | so that I can get a set of HVD vectors out of it back to world space |
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| 05:24.09 | Constitution | shouldn't code file extensions like .cpp, .cxx, .h, etc. be allowed on the BZBB? |
| 05:47.23 | JeffM | zip it ;) |
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| 07:37.49 | the_j0k3r | is there someone who can help me out here? |
| 07:37.53 | the_j0k3r | my account is stuffed |
| 07:38.13 | whodaman- | stuffed? |
| 07:38.24 | the_j0k3r | it has dissapeared, sort of |
| 07:38.29 | the_j0k3r | joss can't find my name on the memberlist |
| 07:38.48 | the_j0k3r | and when i try to globally login i come up with a - and it says 'this callsign is registred' |
| 07:39.03 | the_j0k3r | and when i try to say i forgot my password it says invalid email/username |
| 07:40.26 | the_j0k3r | and i do believe all my posts have been deleted from the forums |
| 07:40.45 | whodaman- | BZBB Admins ^^^ |
| 07:41.47 | the_j0k3r | wow this is so weird |
| 07:41.51 | the_j0k3r | its like my account never existed |
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| 08:49.36 | raffytaffy | morning |
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| 10:42.43 | the_j0k3r2 | are there any bzbb admins here that can help me with the fact that my account was deleted? |
| 11:15.09 | brad | how do you know it was deleted? |
| 11:15.23 | brad | tried resetting the pass? |
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| 12:10.00 | the_j0k3r2 | yes |
| 12:10.07 | the_j0k3r2 | it said the username/email was invalid |
| 12:10.13 | the_j0k3r2 | joss couldnt find me on the memberlist |
| 12:10.17 | the_j0k3r2 | then i re-created the account |
| 12:10.31 | the_j0k3r2 | but i was just wondering if it could be restored beacause of the usergroups |
| 12:13.14 | Winny | that means it was deactivated |
| 12:13.42 | the_j0k3r2 | it was something weird |
| 12:14.05 | the_j0k3r2 | beacuse when i tried to login it came up with a '-', didnt say it was unregistered |
| 12:14.10 | the_j0k3r2 | but i could recreate it |
| 12:14.40 | Winny | as I said, it was deactivated |
| 12:14.48 | the_j0k3r2 | for a particular reason? |
| 12:15.05 | Winny | you tried resetting the pass |
| 12:15.15 | Winny | and the email wasn't correct |
| 12:15.27 | the_j0k3r2 | yes |
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| 15:43.00 | blast007 | the_j0k3r: strange.... it was deleted |
| 15:46.54 | whodaman- | :o |
| 15:56.24 | blast007 | brlcad: ping |
| 16:01.09 | brlcad | pong |
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| 16:57.44 | Dessy | hiya |
| 16:57.48 | Dessy | i have a question |
| 16:58.40 | Dessy | Is there any way to log the chat, ip, etc via plugin? |
| 17:00.19 | whodaman- | Dessy, are you running the server? |
| 17:00.34 | a_meteor_work | CAN is working on a plugin that will be available to server owners which allows ctf/chat/kills/joins/parts/etc to be searched and indexed via a web-site. |
| 17:00.47 | a_meteor_work | But for now, you'd have to build the plugin yourself. |
| 17:00.59 | Dessy | chat is good |
| 17:01.06 | Dessy | team? All? Privat? |
| 17:01.34 | a_meteor_work | everything, and it will be fine grained indexed for easy searching for different types of whatever during different times from different people, etc |
| 17:02.06 | a_meteor_work | that's team chat, all chat, PMs (but team and PM chat would only be available if you have the right privs) |
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| 17:07.46 | whodaman- | Dessy, ping@ |
| 17:07.56 | Dessy | back |
| 17:08.08 | whodaman- | ##guleague |
| 17:08.18 | catay | Dessy: why isn't the bzfs output not enough ? |
| 17:08.38 | Dessy | yes but my server is running in a chroot |
| 17:08.46 | Dessy | and i cant connect to the database |
| 17:08.48 | Dessy | :P |
| 17:09.15 | catay | ok, i'm lost now :P |
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| 17:17.52 | JeffM | just so everyone knows and noone things he's up to something shady, Carnage has been good, so I gave him his name back. |
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| 17:21.23 | Dessy | grrr i hate this xchat |
| 17:26.44 | JeffM | hmmm quad core phenom and a mobo 200$.... |
| 17:28.49 | ruskie | nice... to bad I don't need anything like that anymore... |
| 17:30.49 | blast007 | JeffM: where at? |
| 17:30.55 | JeffM | Fry's |
| 17:31.58 | JeffM | latimes.com |
| 17:32.25 | JeffM | go down to newspaper ads |
| 17:32.36 | JeffM | then hit retail goods |
| 17:33.12 | JeffM | http://latimes.p2ionline.com/shoppingchannel/data/images/1864479_5195715.jpg |
| 17:33.14 | JeffM | top one |
| 17:34.12 | blast007 | ah, so not online |
| 17:34.30 | JeffM | check fry's.com |
| 17:34.31 | JeffM | it maybe |
| 17:34.40 | blast007 | I already did before I asked "where at" |
| 17:34.45 | JeffM | ahh |
| 17:34.59 | blast007 | even tried entering the number there manually |
| 17:35.25 | JeffM | there arn't any fry's up there? |
| 17:35.38 | blast007 | closest one is in Chicago, iirc |
| 17:35.53 | JeffM | no closest one would be in nocal ;) |
| 17:36.29 | blast007 | Downers Grove, IL |
| 17:36.45 | JeffM | arn't you in origon? |
| 17:36.50 | blast007 | wisconsin |
| 17:36.53 | JeffM | oh |
| 17:36.57 | JeffM | neermind :) |
| 17:36.59 | blast007 | heh |
| 17:42.51 | JeffM | hmmm. looks like it's actualy be a downgrade for me :( |
| 17:45.39 | blast007 | does a PCI Express 2.0 card require a board with a PCI Express 2.0 slot, or is it backwards compatible? |
| 17:46.11 | JeffM | I belive it's all backwards compatable |
| 17:46.32 | JeffM | the CPU is only clocked at 2.2 gig |
| 17:46.42 | JeffM | and currently I have a 3 gig X2 |
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| 17:49.50 | spldart | quick OT question if you don't mind... Is it practical to reboot a machine that you ssh into? Since there is noone there to do the manual login @ the actual machine keyboard. |
| 17:50.09 | JeffM | why would you have to do a manual login? |
| 17:50.21 | JeffM | isn't ssh set to start automaticly? |
| 17:50.35 | spldart | yes |
| 17:50.41 | JeffM | then just ssh back in |
| 17:50.55 | JeffM | the computer dosn't have to be, nor SHOULD be loged in on the local terminal |
| 17:50.56 | spldart | So... there is no issue leaving the remote machine sitting @ it's login screen then |
| 17:51.11 | JeffM | not on any decent multi-user OS |
| 17:51.12 | spldart | Oh! So it's good form not to log in local |
| 17:51.13 | JeffM | is it linux? |
| 17:51.16 | spldart | yes |
| 17:51.24 | JeffM | yeah you'll be fine |
| 17:51.28 | JeffM | there is no point in loging in localy |
| 17:51.31 | spldart | kew.. thanks |
| 17:51.37 | JeffM | unless you like security holes |
| 17:51.45 | JeffM | cus anyone can walk up to that machine and jack it |
| 17:51.48 | JeffM | if it's loged in |
| 17:52.09 | spldart | Well... It's currently headless after a fashion.. but yeah.. IC your point |
| 17:52.25 | JeffM | if it's headless, then loging in localy is even more pointless :) |
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| 17:53.06 | spldart | As I said.. after a fashion... Hidden switch puts this monitor/keyboard on it. But I guess I don't need that anymore either :) |
| 17:53.12 | JeffM | Erroneous, do quad core phenom's suck? |
| 17:54.33 | Erroneous | their performance numbers were somewhat dissappointing iirc. they're not much faster than the equivalent athlon X2 per thread. |
| 17:54.41 | Erroneous | but you get four :) |
| 17:55.06 | JeffM | fry's has the 2.2 gig one and a mobo for 200$ |
| 17:55.15 | JeffM | I don't think it's an upgrade from my 6k |
| 17:56.12 | JeffM | oooo. that'd make a good build station for here, with full incredebuild :) |
| 17:56.52 | Erroneous | the 4200s were 2.2s iirc |
| 17:57.24 | JeffM | sounds about right |
| 17:57.54 | Erroneous | phenom is 1.8ghz HT instead of 1.0ghz, so it'd be a bit faster |
| 17:58.26 | Erroneous | but I'd have a hard time justifying an upgrade from the 6000 ;) |
| 17:58.29 | JeffM | AM2 is rated at 2.0 gig HT? or is that AM2+? |
| 17:58.35 | JeffM | it comes with with an AM2+ mobo |
| 17:59.15 | Erroneous | looks like am2+ |
| 17:59.50 | Erroneous | with the am3's coming out early next year |
| 18:00.12 | JeffM | yeah no much is realy tempting for me |
| 18:00.25 | JeffM | I kind of in a swee spot with the 6k |
| 18:00.56 | JeffM | I'd have to go to an E6850 on the intel side to get faster, and it's not THAT much beter |
| 18:01.25 | JeffM | screw up your retreval? |
| 18:01.49 | brlcad | mildly |
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| 18:18.54 | donny_baker | ~brlcad++ |
| 18:19.27 | donny_baker | for both the smacking and fixing :P |
| 18:19.48 | donny_baker | ~blast007++ |
| 18:24.54 | JeffM | just on principle |
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| 19:01.21 | spldart | Hrm... Have the 'stowaway' my ssh machine open right now... It really doesnt need all this ram ;-) |
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| 19:49.21 | spldart | Fairly lean running openssh, apache, screen??? http://70.240.182.235:8080/freem.doc |
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| 21:20.00 | delusional | 2007-12-16JeffM2501world weapons now use buffered messages --- does that mean WW's can display death messages, like death physics? |
| 21:23.02 | JeffM | no |
| 21:23.25 | JeffM | well I mean you can send out a deth message in a plugin when you fire one |
| 21:23.49 | JeffM | but it dosn't imply any message action from world weapoins or any additional map parsting so they send out messages like death drivers |
| 21:24.01 | delusional | ok |
| 21:24.06 | delusional | one request I have for future development is the ability to silence worldweapons, they can become quite annoying if there are more than one. |
| 21:24.22 | JeffM | they are overused as is |
| 21:24.32 | JeffM | a general effects system would be better |
| 21:24.34 | delusional | I did a rotating turrett that fired worldweapons, but scrapped it, since it was so annoying, listening to it. |
| 21:24.37 | JeffM | as well as per shot data |
| 21:24.50 | JeffM | I would NOT want to remove sounds from lethal shots |
| 21:24.56 | JeffM | as some use that to dodge |
| 21:25.12 | JeffM | I'd be ok with adding shots that could say longer on there own, so you can do lazer bars, and stuff |
| 21:25.41 | JeffM | well for laser bars I'd like to just do them as meshes with death drivers |
| 21:25.49 | JeffM | but shots shoudl beahve the same regardless of where they come from |
| 21:25.53 | JeffM | if they are shots |
| 21:26.08 | JeffM | if they are just like fireworks, then sure, make them just effects, not world weapons, and don't play sounds. |
| 21:26.15 | JeffM | but they'd be harmless |
| 21:26.26 | delusional | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.50 | delusional | and would be very loud |
| 21:26.50 | JeffM | because most of those posibilities are using them as not shots |
| 21:26.56 | JeffM | but as graphical effects. |
| 21:27.09 | JeffM | it would be better to enhance our graphical effects system |
| 21:27.20 | JeffM | instaed of trying to shoehorn them into world weapons |
| 21:28.24 | JeffM | Laser and Shockwave are probalby bigest ones used as effects that should be redone |
| 21:30.38 | delusional | for valentines day, I'm trying to due a true 3-d animation of a cupid, and may revive the missilles plugin, for it. |
| 21:31.04 | JeffM | if they are leathal missles, then they should have sound ;) |
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| 22:31.03 | Winny | >_< |
| 22:31.26 | JeffM2501 | wtf? |
| 22:32.46 | Winny | yeah, my thought(s) exactly |
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| 23:34.16 | BZ_Win | blurgh |
| 23:34.26 | BZ_Win | I Was SO CLOSE to breaking my uptime record in windows, too. |
| 23:35.12 | brad | what's your record? |
| 23:35.26 | Winny | 20 days.. it's WINDOWS :p |
| 23:35.40 | Winny | the gosh darn updates make you restart every month anyways |
| 23:35.41 | whodaman- | how many did you have? |
| 23:35.52 | brad | I got to 44 days once :P |
| 23:35.52 | whodaman- | just now |
| 23:35.56 | tannerld | lol |
| 23:36.12 | Winny | whodaman-, like 19 days and 20 hours.. seriously |
| 23:36.18 | whodaman- | that sucks |
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| 23:42.53 | spldart | I had a pretty good uptime goin on my fileserver when the power quit for just longer than the ups could handle on monday |
