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| 01:18.48 | Winny | yay, 18.7mb |
| 01:18.48 | Winny | :p |
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| 02:34.20 | Constitution | someone voice whodaman-_ please? |
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| 03:04.48 | Constitution | nn-main: perhaps this will be interesting/useful for you: http://stats.fairserve.net/graph.php?action=view&local_graph_id=19&rra_id=all |
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| 03:09.26 | brad | Constitution: nice :) |
| 03:09.43 | Constitution | :) |
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| 03:30.58 | Constitution | BZBB admins: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=119631#119631 |
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| 04:15.57 | Winny | Constitution: what was it about? |
| 04:15.58 | Winny | :p |
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| 04:53.05 | whodaman- | wahoo |
| 04:53.10 | whodaman- | ~brlcad++ |
| 04:57.19 | iWinny | I agree |
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| 06:18.36 | L4m3r | ~~ |
| 06:18.36 | ibot | Every moment in which I'm called upon is torture. |
| 06:21.32 | TheRedBaron | ~~~ |
| 06:21.33 | ibot | I HATE YOU, theredbaron!!! |
| 06:22.41 | brlcad | hehe |
| 06:23.30 | TheRedBaron | you can keep going, but that would be OT :) |
| 06:23.53 | L4m3r | I know, I just wanted to see if I had lagged out or not :P |
| 06:24.19 | L4m3r | normally I'd use argooon for that, but he bailed for some reason... |
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| 07:28.26 | HighKarateKitty | would anyone like to have a game on Spirals?? |
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| 12:45.06 | whodaman- | Since Mr_Burns here can't say it himself, I'll just paste what he just said |
| 12:45.07 | whodaman- | [13:40] <Mr_Burns> Who maintains http://bzflag.org? |
| 12:45.07 | whodaman- | [13:40] <Mr_Burns> The "TODO" link on the left is broken. |
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| 13:03.20 | delusional | test |
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| 15:53.32 | nn-main | nice looks like i will be setting up a cati page soon :) |
| 15:59.59 | nn-main | it also would be cool if there was a way to make a way for a web client to grab live gkrellmd data |
| 16:02.30 | ruskie | well that is a bastard xml format :) |
| 16:02.38 | ruskie | so should be possible :) |
| 16:04.25 | Winny | nn-main: IIRC, met and AAA_awright, and possible Constitution(?), are working ona web client, might wanna talk to them |
| 16:06.30 | nn-main | cool |
| 16:06.47 | ruskie | hmm that'd be nice as well |
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| 16:59.48 | Winny | just an FYI guys, there is someone going around servers who has about 9 hosts.. "Lady K..." |
| 17:00.06 | Winny | Ill put up my baned IPs if you want to get them before they come to your server |
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| 17:04.23 | Winny | here ya go ... http://bzflagr.net/asshats.txt |
| 17:04.34 | Winny | those are the only ones so far. |
| 17:05.50 | Mxed | heh |
| 17:05.52 | Mxed | nnice link |
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| 17:29.37 | Winny | does changing the admsg or srvmsg in the config and running a /reload change the srvmsg? |
| 17:29.50 | Winny | Or is there a way to change the srv/admsg without restarting... |
| 17:34.37 | Thumper_ | Winny: nope |
| 17:34.41 | Winny | darn |
| 17:37.24 | Winny | I wonder if nagware will do what I want |
| 17:37.43 | Winny | ooh, it does. |
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| 17:50.35 | whodaman- | test.. |
| 17:50.37 | whodaman- | :D |
| 17:58.56 | Winny | yay. nagware works |
| 18:00.00 | Winny | hehe |
| 18:00.32 | blast007 | whodaman-: with the nagging or the slapping? ;) |
| 18:00.40 | whodaman- | sure ;) |
| 18:00.45 | blast007 | hehe |
| 18:01.56 | JeffM2501 | if you need that software to do something and it would take you longer then 5$ in time to write it, it's a good deal |
| 18:02.35 | F687s | I don't trust Win32 nagware, shareware, grappleware... |
| 18:02.53 | Winny | gonna take a look at those textures today, jeff? ;) |
| 18:03.03 | JeffM2501 | I started looking at them |
| 18:03.19 | JeffM2501 | base side, is defenatly in once I made a mod to the code |
| 18:03.37 | Winny | made it repeat less often? |
| 18:03.47 | JeffM2501 | techincaly yes |
| 18:03.53 | Winny | :) |
| 18:04.00 | JeffM2501 | zero repeats is less |
| 18:04.17 | JeffM2501 | the flag images, I'm sorry but they arn't dicernable enough |
| 18:04.37 | JeffM2501 | the cloth texture on them is nice, the cammo just blows it |
| 18:05.02 | JeffM2501 | maybe we can do the cloth weave texture with the shape in the background, then icon tank over it or something in the team color. |
| 18:05.11 | Winny | want a non-camo version? |
| 18:05.38 | JeffM2501 | will it still have the cloth texture? |
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| 18:06.13 | Winny | yes |
| 18:06.13 | JeffM2501 | if so yeah |
| 18:06.20 | JeffM2501 | as for the tanks |
| 18:06.36 | JeffM2501 | I like the SHAPES of the cammo but I'm not sold on the colors |
| 18:06.51 | JeffM2501 | I may go and tweak them to look more like those ones from GPx that we both liked |
| 18:07.19 | Winny | want a really high-rez version for tweaking and then scaling down? |
| 18:07.40 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 18:07.53 | JeffM2501 | pyrwall is good, but I have to make it repeatable |
| 18:07.58 | JeffM2501 | so that's not too bad |
| 18:08.19 | JeffM2501 | then when that's all done I want to take the big ones and lower the res by half |
| 18:08.22 | JeffM2501 | then scale them back up |
| 18:08.33 | JeffM2501 | and subtract them from the origonal |
| 18:08.37 | JeffM2501 | and see what the real diffs are |
| 18:09.02 | Winny | ick, did I not send your the repeating version? |
| 18:09.12 | Winny | you* |
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| 18:11.09 | JeffM2501 | it's not that hard to do |
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| 18:13.35 | Winny | hmm, what about a really faint camo on the flags, just to break up the color a tiny bit? |
| 18:14.17 | JeffM2501 | we'll use the symbols to do that |
| 18:14.23 | JeffM2501 | and the icon logo |
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| 18:15.59 | Winny | http://bzfusion.net/BZTextures/flagbg.png |
| 18:16.03 | Winny | more or less the same |
| 18:16.10 | Winny | same fabric* |
| 18:18.23 | Winny | and.. if you make the basewal texture repeat none... shouldn't it be longer, width-wise? |
| 18:18.32 | AHA | hmm, why is everyone voiced? |
| 18:18.40 | AHA | well, most people? |
| 18:18.59 | Winny | AHA: moron control |
| 18:19.00 | whodaman- | AHA, the channel was set to +m |
| 18:19.09 | AHA | ahh |
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| 18:19.37 | whodaman- | You had it too |
| 18:19.39 | whodaman- | yesterday |
| 18:19.46 | AHA | heh |
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| 18:20.16 | whodaman- | I think we have enough bread in here :D |
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| 18:23.08 | Winny | heh |
| 18:23.56 | Winny | JeffM2501: does the basewall repeat just on x now, not y? |
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| 18:36.06 | *** mode/#bzflag [+vvvv gsnedders SpazzyMcGee Epyon ryanakca] by brlcad |
| 18:36.06 | *** mode/#bzflag [+vvvv TD-Linux Warinthestar O-Neil Pumperni4kle] by brlcad |
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| 18:37.20 | Winny | brlcad: not sure if this does anything to the voicing.. * JeffM sets mode -m #bzflag |
| 18:38.11 | whodaman- | Winny, sssh, it's nice :p |
| 18:38.55 | JeffM2501 | Winny: I haven't coded it yet but it'll be in X |
| 18:39.14 | Winny | ah, ok |
| 18:39.15 | JeffM2501 | I just got the pyrwall to be repeatable |
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| 18:39.38 | JeffM2501 | right now it's repeated just like a wall |
| 18:41.30 | Winny | are you getting rid of the card-deck shapes and just doing colored tanks? |
| 18:41.46 | JeffM2501 | that's what I' |
| 18:41.48 | JeffM2501 | m thinking now |
| 18:41.54 | JeffM2501 | using the icon colored, |
| 18:41.57 | JeffM2501 | may not look bad |
| 18:44.42 | Winny | JeffM2501, something like this? http://bzfusion.net/BZTextures/basetoptest.jpg |
| 18:45.00 | JeffM2501 | I was thinking more well defined |
| 18:45.22 | JeffM2501 | while I like the idea of the "stain in a shape" I think we also need more defenition |
| 18:45.39 | Winny | k |
| 18:46.00 | Winny | and it's actually spraypaint ;) |
| 18:46.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:46.47 | Winny | hmm, one minute. |
| 18:49.20 | Winny | it looks really stupid to make the base look "3d", since it's just a flat surface, so definition mine be interesting to pull of |
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| 18:50.31 | jftsang | any admin here? |
| 18:50.36 | Winny | for which server...? |
| 18:50.53 | jftsang | I mean, any dev here? laserball's server is back |
| 18:51.29 | Winny | does it say it's a cheat server in the description or the srvmsg? |
| 18:51.52 | jftsang | don't think so. In fact, it says the opposite.. |
| 18:52.01 | jftsang | but didn't you impose a masterban or something |
| 18:53.37 | whodaman- | jftsang, I already saw it too |
| 18:53.44 | whodaman- | there's really nothing wrong with it |
| 18:53.53 | jftsang | k |
| 18:53.55 | whodaman- | doesn't advertise it as a cheat server |
| 18:54.47 | jftsang | yes, but if I were to sell opium to you and not advertise it as opium, it doesn't make it legal |
| 18:55.09 | JeffM2501 | Winny: you mean exactly like a bump map does? ;) |
| 18:55.15 | Winny | yeah :p |
| 18:55.28 | Winny | at least the bump map makes it look sort of real |
| 18:55.49 | JeffM2501 | jftsang: no, but it dosn't make it the perview of the newspaper you advertise in ;) |
| 18:56.02 | Winny | it would be interesting to have the tank in the middle stick out or something |
| 18:56.03 | JeffM2501 | jftsang: you need to understand that there is nothing "ilegal" about cheating |
| 18:56.06 | jftsang | finally! Got DirectX April! hopefully it has dinput.lib =p |
| 18:56.17 | JeffM2501 | jftsang: it does |
| 18:56.26 | jftsang | thanks |
| 18:56.34 | JeffM2501 | but I changed trunk to work in the november version |
| 18:57.00 | JeffM2501 | it should only link the lib if we find the approprate headers |
| 18:57.12 | jftsang | thanks anyway |
| 18:57.18 | Winny | hmm.. what about a shiny tank in the middle of the base? |
| 18:57.37 | Winny | might not look bad if done properly |
| 18:58.04 | JeffM2501 | too bad our CTF dosn't snap the flag back all the time |
| 18:58.13 | JeffM2501 | then we could make the default base have a nice geometric flag older |
| 18:58.14 | JeffM2501 | holder |
| 18:58.50 | Winny | how hard would it be to implement an OBJ base? |
| 18:59.19 | JeffM2501 | harder but not impossible |
| 18:59.26 | JeffM2501 | I' |
| 18:59.34 | JeffM2501 | I'm not sure we want to go there just yet |
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| 18:59.50 | Winny | ok |
| 19:02.45 | Winny | more defined, as in: http://bzfusion.net/BZTextures/tests/basetop_moredefined.jpg ? |
| 19:03.05 | JeffM2501 | that's better |
| 19:03.14 | JeffM2501 | tho maybe outline it in some difrent shades, etc.. |
| 19:03.25 | JeffM2501 | nothing says you have to stick with just single color levels |
| 19:03.26 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 19:03.45 | Winny | hmm.. a caution texture colored with the team's colors, so it ties in with the edge? |
| 19:07.11 | Winny | http://bzfusion.net/BZTextures/tests/basetop_cautiontank.jpg doesn't look too horrible.. imo |
| 19:12.54 | JeffM2501 | no it dosn't |
| 19:13.05 | JeffM2501 | but I'd do more with various concentric lines |
| 19:13.18 | Winny | example ;) |
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| 20:22.45 | Winny | JeffM2501: what do you think about replacing the brick texture? |
| 20:24.09 | whodaman- | It's kinda dull |
| 20:24.45 | ruskie | so add a grafiti flag to bzflag so ppl can draw grafiti using bullets |
| 20:26.09 | Winny | heh |
| 20:26.57 | ruskie | would be nice though... |
| 20:27.23 | Winny | but you don't want any graphic changes |
| 20:27.35 | ruskie | I never said that... |
| 20:28.50 | Winny | oh.. from your upheavel over larger textures I got that idea. |
| 20:29.35 | ruskie | I just don't see how larger texture == better graphics in general |
| 20:31.14 | Winny | when you get close to them, they're less pixely looking |
| 20:33.24 | whodaman- | ~Winny++ |
| 20:33.49 | L4m3r | they don't look pixely now |
| 20:34.03 | Winny | yeah they do.. |
| 20:34.06 | L4m3r | Winny: one other thing you need to look at is how the textures look at a distance |
| 20:34.35 | L4m3r | all your replacements look great up close, but some of them look really flat and dull from far away (like the wall texture) |
| 20:34.54 | Winny | dunno what's up with that, it's basically the same textures as the old one |
| 20:35.04 | Winny | might have something to do with the 1024x1024 |
| 20:35.21 | Winny | since the surface is only really viewable from far close up |
| 20:35.31 | Winny | hm... LOD textures? :p |
| 20:35.42 | L4m3r | wasteful :P |
| 20:35.58 | L4m3r | basically, if it ain't broke, don't fix it... and if you fix it anyway, it better be better :P |
| 20:36.07 | ruskie | :) |
| 20:36.18 | Winny | the main reason I re-did the wall.png was 'cause lots of people scale it waaay up for rock walls on maps, and then it looks like crap |
| 20:36.42 | L4m3r | that's their choice... we have an image host for that ;) |
| 20:37.34 | Winny | heh |
| 20:41.59 | Winny | L4m3r: do you have aniso on? |
| 20:51.25 | TD-Linux | mipmapping is LOD textures ;) |
| 20:51.56 | TD-Linux | they are automatically generated, but I suppose you could make your own if you really wanted (and modify the code) |
| 20:54.02 | TD-Linux | I find most of the textures high-res enough |
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| 20:54.31 | TD-Linux | wall.png is an exception, it should be made bigger, I didn't see yours though Winny |
| 20:55.15 | TD-Linux | the other one that I want to see replaced is the grass |
| 20:55.43 | TD-Linux | in that case, I just want more grass, not more detail |
| 20:55.48 | Winny | TD-Linux: http://bzfusion.net/BZTextures/wall.png |
| 20:56.15 | TD-Linux | that's a big texture |
| 20:56.17 | TD-Linux | downloading... |
| 20:57.10 | TD-Linux | nice |
| 20:57.26 | TD-Linux | there seems to be a lot of variation in brightness |
| 20:57.39 | TD-Linux | is the repeating noticeable? |
| 20:57.55 | Winny | I don't really notice it |
| 20:58.46 | TD-Linux | scaled up? |
| 20:59.01 | TD-Linux | btw 1024x1024 nearly fills my LCD |
| 20:59.09 | Winny | not mine :) |
| 20:59.32 | TD-Linux | if this LCD dies, I'll replace it with 1920x1200 |
| 20:59.49 | Winny | :) |
| 21:00.08 | TD-Linux | added res doesn't really get me much though, then I have to scale the fonts to make them readable :/ |
| 21:00.22 | TD-Linux | my fonts are HUGE when viewed on other people's screens |
| 21:00.57 | JeffM2501 | Some people call me a space cowboy! |
| 21:02.00 | JeffM2501 | winny sup? |
| 21:02.49 | Winny | oh, right: would it be possible, with the higher-rez wall texture, to have it repeat 1/2 as much on x? |
| 21:02.51 | TD-Linux | it was about why your texture looks bland when scaled down I think |
| 21:07.42 | Winny | uploading a 75mb PSD takes a while :p |
| 21:22.27 | Winny | oh dear |
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| 21:33.26 | tokimi | I just upgraded my video card (from nvidia 7600 to ati 3850), and now am getting a strange error in bzflag. I can start the program, but you cannot see the font of the menu, that is if i use my usual config file that I have used for the past year. |
| 21:33.49 | Winny | did you update the videocard drivers? |
| 21:34.00 | tokimi | If i use the default config file, I can see the menu and every thing though some of the textures look buggy. this is all on 2.0.10 and 2.0.8 |
| 21:34.02 | tokimi | yeah |
| 21:34.06 | tokimi | drives are all brand new |
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| 21:34.26 | tokimi | tested on other games and programs, works well |
| 21:34.49 | tokimi | reinstalled bzflag, same problem |
| 21:34.58 | Winny | make a copy of your config, delete the original, and start BZ |
| 21:35.12 | Winny | name the copy "config.cfg.old" or something |
| 21:35.13 | tokimi | did that, ^ the default configure |
| 21:35.32 | tokimi | it works, to a point |
| 21:35.40 | tokimi | still geting strange texture problems |
| 21:35.56 | tokimi | what i dont get is that I can manually change some thing in the configure file and it breaks |
| 21:36.05 | Winny | one sec.. I remember seeing something like this before |
| 21:37.17 | tokimi | a single manual edit of the config file (the default one produced by bzflag) results in a complete loss of menu font |
| 21:37.36 | Winny | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11148&highlight=menu+unreadable ... not sure if that's it or not |
| 21:37.49 | tokimi | ill look |
| 21:38.48 | tokimi | worth a try |
| 21:39.20 | Winny | ATI is just asking for trouble ;) |
| 21:40.01 | tokimi | *shrug* |
| 21:40.42 | tokimi | since the card is 2 day sold |
| 21:40.48 | tokimi | s/day sold/days old/ |
| 21:41.02 | tokimi | i have still a neutral opinion |
| 21:42.07 | blast007 | tokimi: do you have a screenshot of the "buggy textures" with the default config? |
| 21:42.18 | tokimi | no |
| 21:43.04 | tokimi | ah.. the ATI A.I. controller seems to not like bzflag |
| 21:43.18 | tokimi | blast007: i suspect the textures were from the ATI driver side at this rate |
| 21:44.19 | tokimi | blast007: got your screen shot, where do you want it placed |
| 21:46.18 | blast007 | some free image host |
| 21:49.35 | Winny | http://bayimg.com/ |
| 21:49.36 | Winny | :p |
| 21:49.39 | tokimi | http://www.flickr.com/photos/tokimi/2170069438/ |
| 21:50.17 | Winny | whoa |
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| 21:52.15 | tokimi | wait.. le tme make sure it was using the standard configuration file |
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| 21:53.06 | tokimi | yups |
| 21:53.30 | Winny | ..weid |
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| 21:54.22 | tokimi | what, didnt believe me? |
| 21:55.24 | blast007 | imagine what the linux drivers would be like ;) |
| 21:56.08 | tokimi | heh.. |
| 21:56.09 | tokimi | no |
| 22:04.13 | ryanakca | is there any way to make /localset laserTexture bolt serverset? |
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| 22:32.54 | spldart | woah |
| 22:33.46 | ryanakca | ? |
| 22:36.18 | Winny | woah? |
| 22:36.22 | spldart | sry.. just lost inet for quite a bit there... No apparent reason :( Think my ip changed too |
| 22:36.31 | Winny | :) |
| 22:37.20 | spldart | next time I ssh into my work machine I'll have to check the logs and find out if it did |
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