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| 00:33.08 | nn-main | humm i think i found it |
| 00:33.12 | nn-main | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.24 | nn-main | msg = nboUnpackFloat(msg, forward); |
| 00:33.46 | nn-main | what exactly is the varible forward |
| 00:35.46 | AHA | nn-main: i'm sure what your looking for is longer than 2 lines |
| 00:37.32 | nn-main | i know but you really cant dump 20 or so lines |
| 00:39.15 | nn-main | case MsgAlive: ...... That code was under this message case |
| 00:39.29 | nn-main | is it the one that updates the positions |
| 00:39.39 | nn-main | in real time |
| 00:44.43 | AHA | which file? |
| 00:44.49 | AHA | playing.cxx |
| 00:44.50 | AHA | ? |
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| 03:48.22 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16389 10/trunk/bzflag/src/common/BufferedNetworkMessage.cxx: server is slightly less broken. still doesn't work, just doesn't crash itself and doesn't crash the client. |
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| 04:02.43 | Macrosoft | ...two more hours |
| 04:08.28 | Winny | 53 min! |
| 04:10.32 | jorgenpt | Happy new year! |
| 04:23.12 | blast007 | Macrosoft: Unscheduled off-world activation! |
| 04:23.56 | Macrosoft | blast007: close the iris! quick |
| 04:25.02 | blast007 | lower the blast doors! |
| 04:29.37 | spldart | 90 minutes |
| 04:30.08 | Macrosoft | i've got the feeling there's going to be a zombie outbreak at new years ;) |
| 04:32.39 | Macrosoft | ...have to rebuild 2.0.8 first |
| 04:34.18 | tannerld | Winny: last link in Rat's nest is not working |
| 04:34.32 | tannerld | Winny: err..syntax wrong |
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| 04:59.25 | AAA_awright | !tannerld |
| 04:59.34 | tannerld | ? |
| 04:59.54 | Epyon | Happy New Year everybody :P |
| 04:59.59 | AAA_awright | I lost my SVN pass somewhere |
| 05:00.06 | Epyon | Yeah, I know, about 12 hours late xP |
| 05:01.22 | Macrosoft | Epyon: nope, 59 minutes left here |
| 05:01.39 | Epyon | Macrosoft, Australia? |
| 05:01.52 | Macrosoft | Epyon: usa |
| 05:01.57 | Epyon | O.o |
| 05:02.08 | Macrosoft | Epyon: japan? |
| 05:02.26 | Epyon | I thought you guys had New Year earlier than europe... |
| 05:02.43 | Macrosoft | Epyon: nope |
| 05:02.45 | Epyon | It's 6 in the morning 1.1.08 here. |
| 05:03.20 | sigonasr2 | still got 2 hours for us |
| 05:03.40 | Epyon | Aaah, so you guys are still in 2007 ^_^ |
| 05:03.45 | Macrosoft | sigonasr2: california? |
| 05:03.48 | Winny | HAPPY NEW EAR |
| 05:03.52 | sigonasr2 | indeed, the future isn't here. I'm in AZ |
| 05:04.04 | Winny | Epyon! :D |
| 05:04.11 | blast007 | Epyon: yeah, but we can predict the future by asking you! |
| 05:04.16 | Epyon | Winny, where are the textures xD |
| 05:04.23 | Winny | :p |
| 05:04.32 | Epyon | I can tell you what will happen in 2008 now :P |
| 05:04.37 | sigonasr2 | hehe |
| 05:04.47 | Epyon | Timezones are fun ^^ |
| 05:04.48 | blast007 | Epyon: but we'll know it in 2007! |
| 05:05.04 | Epyon | heh :) |
| 05:05.43 | tannerld | My mom is talking on the phone with someone in the past :P |
| 05:06.11 | Epyon | And back to the future we go :P |
| 05:07.06 | Winny | woohoo |
| 05:07.09 | Winny | future! |
| 05:07.37 | sigonasr2 | hahaa |
| 05:07.52 | Winny | "I am to be a competitive nation" |
| 05:07.55 | Winny | ... |
| 05:08.14 | Epyon | Cheers all ^^ |
| 05:08.58 | blast007 | Macrosoft: Dr. McNinja will stop them |
| 05:09.39 | Winny | Epyon: wanna do a render engine? xD |
| 05:10.08 | Epyon | Is that needed? :P |
| 05:10.19 | Winny | yeah :p |
| 05:10.27 | Epyon | Then I'm not the man. |
| 05:10.35 | Epyon | I do only unneeded stuff :P |
| 05:10.35 | TD-Linux | Winny, are you still addicted to that dumb 2-day renderer? |
| 05:10.42 | TD-Linux | ;) |
| 05:10.53 | TD-Linux | hm |
| 05:10.57 | Winny | its cause it's unbiased |
| 05:11.00 | TD-Linux | still 50 minutes to new year |
| 05:11.02 | Winny | the other ones are biased |
| 05:11.07 | TD-Linux | I'm enjoying 2007 to the fullest. |
| 05:11.08 | Winny | so they're not as accurate |
| 05:11.38 | TD-Linux | I'm going to bed and sleeping through the transition |
| 05:11.57 | Macrosoft | maybe we can have lighting in maps?! |
| 05:12.04 | TD-Linux | ......... |
| 05:12.10 | TD-Linux | bye |
| 05:12.23 | Winny | Macrosoft: patches welcome! |
| 05:12.45 | Epyon | That's a nice idea for a GSoC project... |
| 05:12.51 | Macrosoft | Winny: that would be one hell of a patch |
| 05:13.18 | Winny | Epyon: might as well integrate with a existing render engine |
| 05:19.54 | Winny | do colliding meshes have an effect on rendering prformace? |
| 05:22.46 | Winny | I don't remeber |
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| 05:27.26 | Macrosoft_ | Macrosoft: have at thee! |
| 05:28.49 | Winny | someone delete this |
| 05:28.50 | Winny | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=12024 |
| 05:28.55 | Winny | ratman is a known asshat |
| 05:29.02 | Winny | he pollbans people for no reason |
| 05:31.06 | blast007 | "gone" |
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| 05:32.30 | Winny | thanks |
| 05:35.46 | AAA_awright | ~bzsvn |
| 05:35.46 | ibot | i heard bzsvn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag bzflag |
| 05:35.47 | Macrosoft | hmm...never seen this error before "Error unpacking world database. Join canceled" |
| 05:40.04 | nn-main | happy new years Alll and welcom to 2008!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 05:40.24 | Macrosoft | nope, 20 minutes left |
| 05:41.05 | nn-main | Macrosoft, well EST time zone its 12:40 :) :) |
| 05:41.53 | blast007 | Winny: he doesn't pollban people! it's his brother!!! |
| 05:42.23 | Winny | of course! |
| 05:42.30 | Winny | and I'm your hot sister! |
| 05:43.33 | Winny | not. |
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| 05:55.06 | Macrosoft | six more minutes |
| 05:56.20 | a_meteorite | 2 hours here :D |
| 05:56.28 | sigonasr2 | one hour here |
| 05:56.44 | Macrosoft | zombie server is already up :) |
| 05:56.56 | sigonasr2 | zombie server? |
| 05:57.33 | Macrosoft | sigonasr2: simple- a server with zombies |
| 05:57.38 | tannerld | zombies? |
| 06:00.46 | blast007 | happy new year! |
| 06:01.34 | Macrosoft | anyone know how to fix this error? "Error unpacking world database. join canceled" |
| 06:03.00 | tannerld | specific map? |
| 06:03.05 | sigonasr2 | the zomebie one |
| 06:03.08 | a_meteorite | Macrosoft: you're worrying about that and it JUST turned new year's :P |
| 06:03.13 | Macrosoft | whoa! im getting 41fps with mesa indirect! |
| 06:03.29 | blast007 | Macrosoft: it's the Y2.008k bug |
| 06:03.56 | Macrosoft | blast007: no, i turned down the visual settings |
| 06:04.18 | blast007 | the unpack stuff |
| 06:04.51 | Macrosoft | so how do i fix that? |
| 06:05.08 | blast007 | 23:59:46 < tannerld> specific map? |
| 06:05.29 | Macrosoft | blast007: yeah, just the one i'm hosting |
| 06:05.38 | blast007 | oh |
| 06:05.46 | blast007 | how are you connecting to it? |
| 06:05.56 | blast007 | from the external IP address, or the local address? |
| 06:05.59 | Macrosoft | see if you can join mdk0.servegame.com:5156 |
| 06:06.10 | Macrosoft | blast007: through localhost |
| 06:07.04 | blast007 | fails for me too |
| 06:07.07 | blast007 | fix your server |
| 06:07.13 | tannerld | lol |
| 06:07.21 | Macrosoft | i dont know what's wrong |
| 06:07.35 | blast007 | try a random map |
| 06:08.50 | Macrosoft | blast007: fails with random map too |
| 06:10.04 | blast007 | hmm |
| 06:10.12 | blast007 | try just 'bzfs' |
| 06:10.21 | Macrosoft | blast007: thats what i did |
| 06:10.30 | blast007 | with no paramaters? |
| 06:10.35 | Macrosoft | none |
| 06:11.25 | blast007 | and you connected to port 5154? hmm |
| 06:11.33 | blast007 | what version and OS is this? |
| 06:12.17 | Macrosoft | 2.0.8 |
| 06:12.27 | Macrosoft | 64-bit ubuntu 7.10 |
| 06:12.40 | blast007 | did you build it yourself? |
| 06:12.47 | Macrosoft | yeah |
| 06:12.50 | blast007 | hrm |
| 06:12.56 | blast007 | build 2.0.10 |
| 06:13.05 | blast007 | there's been some fixes since 2.0.8 |
| 06:13.36 | Macrosoft | blast007: the zombie plugin only works on 2.0.8 :( |
| 06:14.10 | blast007 | uh, why? |
| 06:14.43 | Macrosoft | blast007: dont have the source to it |
| 06:14.52 | blast007 | eh |
| 06:15.08 | blast007 | sucks to be you then |
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| 06:26.12 | spldart | lookout... islam is worrysome. |
| 06:26.35 | KTL | maybe not enough people worry enough |
| 06:30.34 | Macrosoft | blast007: 2.0.10 works |
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| 07:02.05 | Winny | hehe |
| 07:03.26 | KTL | i think at the city i used to go to school |
| 07:03.42 | KTL | in the middle of it is a huge church tower |
| 07:03.47 | KTL | 96 meters high |
| 07:03.58 | KTL | wonder or gothic architecture |
| 07:04.11 | KTL | that same city i dont like it |
| 07:04.18 | KTL | it is crowded with police |
| 07:04.33 | KTL | and ... so many maroccan immigrants |
| 07:04.50 | KTL | in the past a strong catholicism prevented that |
| 07:04.58 | KTL | but now their numbers are growing |
| 07:05.20 | KTL | if that same cathedral was put in a muslim country |
| 07:05.28 | KTL | it would be dynamited within the week |
| 07:05.44 | KTL | and now by reading this |
| 07:06.25 | KTL | and to see how extremely powerless we are through political correctness |
| 07:07.04 | KTL | instead of just alert i became extremely worried |
| 07:09.47 | purple_cow | I think your source isn't entirely accurate. You can't look at things in isolation within the text, or the text in isolation from history |
| 07:10.17 | KTL | it is all about history ... |
| 07:10.38 | purple_cow | one can find really scary things in the christian bible too, but luckily most people don't follow every word |
| 07:11.19 | KTL | well, this is one of the arguments that this book looks at |
| 07:11.29 | KTL | it is a very common argument |
| 07:11.29 | purple_cow | religious fundamentalism in any form is dangerous |
| 07:11.38 | Macrosoft | KTL: the obvious message is that you are a terrorist and should turn yourself in at the nearest ministry of defense building :P |
| 07:11.44 | KTL | yet another argument this book looks at ... |
| 07:12.36 | KTL | no it says that we are going blindfolded towards the destruction of our civilization |
| 07:12.56 | purple_cow | I think xenophobia is a much bigger threat to our civilization |
| 07:13.09 | KTL | yet another argument the book handles |
| 07:13.13 | KTL | islamophobia ... |
| 07:13.18 | KTL | is a myth |
| 07:13.24 | purple_cow | no, it's not |
| 07:15.36 | purple_cow | KTL: I'll admit that a lot of the islamic world scares me, and (as an american) I wouldn't travel in some places |
| 07:16.07 | KTL | well, in that sense you are afraid for it, and maybe you are right |
| 07:16.16 | KTL | in being afraid |
| 07:17.28 | KTL | somewhere it mentioned that the terrorists themselves must be islamaphobic since they explain their actions by the koran, so they argument themselves that it is essential to islam |
| 07:17.30 | purple_cow | but I've known a fair number of muslims, some extremely devout, and I reject the argument that they harbor ill will to me |
| 07:18.01 | purple_cow | evil people are evil regardless of their explanations, and good people are good |
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| 07:19.30 | KTL | we as christians can not easely _understand_ how complicated their way of thinking is |
| 07:19.52 | purple_cow | you don't get it! |
| 07:19.59 | purple_cow | there is no "we" and "them" |
| 07:20.04 | KTL | the ones you know probably have an understanding of good and wrong similar to yours |
| 07:20.56 | purple_cow | growing up islamic does not make people into sociopaths |
| 07:20.59 | KTL | but that might be because they themselves dont entirely fathom the essence of their own religion |
| 07:21.04 | Winny | this is why I think there are different religions. |
| 07:22.02 | Winny | thousands of years ago, everyone wanted to start a "club", but they could not decide on who should be leader. So, they all went and created their own slightly different "clubs", or religion, if you may. |
| 07:23.01 | KTL | this text is all over the internet, it is really well written, instead of doing your best with minimalising it, please try to read it first, it takes on all arguments you might have one by one, think at your friend muslims and try to defend them while reading it |
| 07:23.03 | purple_cow | KTL: you're claiming a superior knowledge of their religion after reading one book? |
| 07:23.08 | purple_cow | I've read it |
| 07:23.33 | KTL | i only claim i'm getting very worried |
| 07:23.42 | KTL | there are more sources i know of ... |
| 07:23.45 | purple_cow | I rejected it as a source which cherry-picked evidence |
| 07:24.09 | KTL | well, before i found the book i allready got a lot of information |
| 07:24.33 | KTL | this thing is not my first encounter with this type of thinking |
| 07:25.05 | purple_cow | I'm done with this argument. I'd just like to say, keep an open mind, and avoid prejudice. It's easy to fall into a trap of doing evil because of fear. |
| 07:26.16 | KTL | i got to stay reasonable |
| 07:26.59 | KTL | i see my pile of evidence growing and the implications worsening |
| 07:27.48 | KTL | reason is the only thing i am allowed to believe in |
| 07:28.55 | AHA | KTL: reason can only get you to a certain extent |
| 07:29.01 | AHA | stupidity can get you anywhere |
| 07:29.51 | blast007 | in that case, I'm going places! |
| 07:30.19 | L4m3r | Better run guys, I think I hear the [OT] paddy wagon coming |
| 07:30.25 | L4m3r | :P |
| 07:30.39 | Macrosoft | L4m3r: naw, jeff isnt here :P |
| 07:30.48 | spldart | LOL |
| 07:31.00 | Winny | hehe |
| 07:31.18 | Macrosoft | and now im dead for that |
| 07:31.29 | KTL | in cases like these, i only found that book less then 2 days ago, so i still have to give it [the possibility that the situation is not as bad as it looks] a chance by giving it time |
| 07:32.32 | KTL | but what am i supposed to do when i simply can not reasonably ignore the issue anymore? |
| 07:33.18 | Macrosoft | KTL: dance!! :D |
| 07:33.30 | Winny | KTL: dude, 99.999% of muslims are perfectly normal people, as is with any society |
| 07:33.44 | Macrosoft | o->-< |
| 07:33.46 | Winny | but there are ALWAYS the few weirdos that give the rest a bad rap. |
| 07:33.49 | Macrosoft | o-/-< |
| 07:34.30 | KTL | well, that might be true for islam, but ... in islam "normal people" ... what do they do? |
| 07:35.03 | Winny | the same thing as us |
| 07:35.05 | KTL | that is not "normal people" like christians do |
| 07:35.08 | Winny | work, play, go to school. |
| 07:35.22 | Winny | how do know know christian is the right thing!? |
| 07:35.27 | Macrosoft | KTL: they are humans, you know. they do the same stuff |
| 07:35.38 | Winny | stop judging people based on YOUR standard. |
| 07:35.53 | KTL | they dont have any musical culture ... the koran forbids, mohammed said so |
| 07:36.22 | blast007 | but they can hum |
| 07:36.29 | Winny | and dance! |
| 07:36.39 | blast007 | Dance Dance Revolution! |
| 07:36.42 | Macrosoft | o-/-< |
| 07:36.44 | KTL | they are not allowed to draw people because well the same reason |
| 07:36.50 | Macrosoft | o-<-< |
| 07:37.02 | KTL | to make matters worse |
| 07:37.04 | Winny | and KTL: they don't need to listen to their rules exaclty |
| 07:37.15 | Winny | Im sure you don't follow the bible to a tee, now do ya? |
| 07:37.32 | KTL | the laws of physics dont apply because they imply that allah is constrained by them |
| 07:37.41 | blast007 | Winny: I'm building a big boat for all the animals! I'm calling it the Titanic! |
| 07:38.12 | Winny | KTL: and the bible says jesus existed |
| 07:38.17 | Winny | see? not everything is true. |
| 07:38.27 | KTL | we interprete the bible, they dont interprete the koran, the real koran experts take it literally |
| 07:38.29 | blast007 | anyway, this is not the place for this discussion |
| 07:38.30 | Macrosoft | blast007: looks likemeTangenT drowned |
| 07:38.32 | blast007 | take it elsewhere |
| 07:38.51 | Macrosoft | *like eTangenT |
| 07:39.14 | Winny | KTL: as I said, 99.99(% of them don't. |
| 07:39.32 | blast007 | Winny / KTL / etc: take it elsewhere |
| 07:39.46 | Winny | blast007: there is SO much going on in here right now |
| 07:39.53 | purple_cow | KTL: you're making broad, incorrect statements. Please (a) do some research [see turkey, sufiism, azan re: musical culture] and (b) take it elsewhere |
| 07:40.06 | KTL | myes this is not the place for a discussion, still i dont want to discuss, i just express that my worries |
| 07:40.10 | blast007 | Winny: well, now the one with @ says so :P |
| 07:40.18 | Winny | that's voice :o |
| 07:40.30 | blast007 | no, he has ops |
| 07:40.37 | Macrosoft | Winny: nope is op |
| 07:40.47 | blast007 | I'm the one with voice |
| 07:40.49 | Winny | blast007: you has voice |
| 07:40.57 | blast007 | I wasn't talking about me |
| 07:41.03 | blast007 | I was talking about purple_cow |
| 07:41.21 | Winny | meh |
| 07:41.38 | blast007 | "and (b) take it elsewhere" |
| 07:42.35 | Macrosoft | heh, channel #elsewhere already exists |
| 07:43.06 | KTL | only bots there, ... and Macrosoft |
| 07:43.07 | blast007 | hmm, as does #nobodycares |
| 07:44.57 | blast007 | guess I'll find out soon enough ;) |
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| 08:08.29 | a_meteorite | HAPPY NEW YEARS! |
| 08:08.31 | spldart | I'm so very naughty... A naughty vampire god |
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| 08:57.53 | JeffM | oww |
| 08:57.57 | JeffM | and happy new beer |
| 08:58.29 | a_meteorite | don't get too strung out :) |
| 08:58.38 | JeffM | strung out? |
| 08:58.42 | JeffM | no my feet are dead |
| 08:58.46 | JeffM | ground to stumps |
| 08:58.46 | a_meteorite | assuming you're drinking |
| 08:58.49 | JeffM | nope |
| 08:59.05 | JeffM | I'm laying on the floor in pain |
| 08:59.05 | a_meteorite | ok, happy new beer to those who do drink then, hehe |
| 08:59.11 | a_meteorite | oh wow, what'd you do? |
| 08:59.16 | JeffM | walked |
| 08:59.41 | a_meteorite | uh ok |
| 08:59.46 | JeffM | disneyland |
| 08:59.51 | JeffM | blistes |
| 08:59.55 | JeffM | blisters |
| 09:00.01 | a_meteorite | oh, disneyland.. that's a lot of walking |
| 09:02.25 | L4m3r | why on earth... oh I'm not even going to ask |
| 09:03.01 | JeffM | all the beer is at home :( |
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| 14:10.44 | ts | Happy new year all! |
| 14:11.11 | ahs3- | Happy New Year |
| 14:11.14 | ts | brlcad, purple_cow, DTRemenak, menotume: Global login down. It seems like the file system is full. |
| 14:14.09 | brad | ~bzflist |
| 14:14.16 | brad | eek! |
| 14:14.33 | whodaman- | guts neues ts |
| 14:14.40 | brad | there's the guy to blame. |
| 14:15.02 | menotume | why filesystem full ? |
| 14:15.28 | ts | Frohes neues whodaman- |
| 14:15.46 | whodaman- | :) |
| 14:15.52 | ts | menotume: That's what I got from trying to run quota. |
| 14:15.58 | menotume | ya, it is |
| 14:16.20 | ts | FIrst thought it was only my useraccount..and killed my irssi |
| 14:17.08 | ts | Don't know what's going on..and I won't be deleting anything that does not reside in my useraccount |
| 14:17.31 | ts | I deleted 20MB..and it worked again for some seconds..but then full again. |
| 14:27.00 | menotume | 2G freed |
| 14:27.32 | menotume | hmm, still full |
| 14:27.44 | menotume | great |
| 14:27.47 | ts | Something is writing to it |
| 14:27.57 | menotume | ya, that's what i deleted |
| 14:28.02 | ts | As I wrote..I freed 20MB..and full few seconds after |
| 14:28.02 | menotume | one file 2.7 G |
| 14:31.17 | menotume | ok, fixed |
| 14:31.49 | menotume | for now :P |
| 14:31.59 | ts | bzbb still down? |
| 14:32.18 | menotume | nope |
| 14:32.24 | ts | Hmm, just very very slow |
| 14:32.31 | ts | thanks menotume! |
| 14:32.33 | menotume | not really |
| 14:32.37 | menotume | sure |
| 14:32.50 | ts | It's slow for me.. |
| 14:32.54 | menotume | i hope brlcad didn't need that file :P |
| 14:43.40 | brlcad | eep |
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| 14:46.33 | brlcad | nothing that can't be recreated fortunately |
| 14:48.40 | brlcad | filled up the disks after 6 hours of processing.. and it still wasn't done |
| 14:59.39 | brlcad | thanks menotume |
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| 15:01.10 | brlcad | yet another reminder to complete the migration to the new server already (has bigger disks) |
| 15:01.11 | purple_cow | processing? |
| 15:01.18 | brlcad | cvs2svn |
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| 15:02.44 | menotume | np brlcad |
| 15:02.51 | menotume | figured that was safest |
| 15:03.08 | brlcad | yeah, it was |
| 15:03.09 | menotume | there seem to be some backups that could be put offline :) |
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| 15:04.29 | brlcad | I should have made more room before beginning, should have known 2gb wasn't enough for "the worlds oldest repository" :) |
| 15:08.49 | menotume | hehe |
| 15:09.54 | menotume | brlcad: pm |
| 15:23.57 | purple_cow | brlcad: brlcad? |
| 15:24.15 | spldart | He ran outta memory |
| 15:24.17 | spldart | ;) |
| 15:24.25 | whodaman- | heh |
| 15:25.02 | brlcad | purple_cow: yeah |
| 15:25.21 | brlcad | spldart: ran out of disk, not memory |
| 15:25.55 | brlcad | ~bzfls |
| 15:25.56 | ibot | it has been said that bzfls is the BZFlag List Server |
| 15:26.18 | brlcad | ~bzflist |
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| 15:26.42 | spldart | brad$df |
| 15:27.07 | spldart | */dev/hda1 used all available none use 100% |
| 15:27.48 | brlcad | huh? |
| 15:28.01 | spldart | just being silly... guess I didn't change fo the new year |
| 15:40.24 | menotume | hiya purple_cow |
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| 16:03.40 | nn-main | I really still can't find the player update loop. for core movment :( it seems you udp and tcp ? looks like i need to start sniping some packets to get somthing at all :( ?? |
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| 16:05.14 | brlcad | it uses both udp and tcp depending on the packet |
| 16:06.25 | brlcad | there's a way for it to allow tcp-only clients, iirc, but performance pays |
| 16:10.14 | mbfg | playing.cxx is the main loop |
| 16:11.35 | brlcad | merry new year mbfg |
| 16:11.40 | mbfg | likewise |
| 16:39.21 | nn-main | mbfg, i have searched main loop from frount to back can't find it. is the msgAlive in player.cxx for responing or for position update |
| 16:40.04 | nn-main | i cant tell |
| 16:40.08 | nn-main | :( |
| 16:40.26 | brlcad | what are you trying to do? |
| 16:41.02 | blast007 | think he wants to write out tank positions to the console of either bzadmin or bzflag itself |
| 16:41.40 | spldart | Yesterday he spoke of doin it in bzadmin |
| 16:42.07 | spldart | I believe JeffM pointed him to playing.cxx as well |
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| 16:42.19 | spldart | as far as loop is concerned |
| 16:42.32 | brlcad | then starting at the player update loop is a bit out of the way |
| 16:42.39 | brlcad | that is where it all begins |
| 16:43.00 | brlcad | but if you're looking to write out positions, look for position update messages |
| 16:43.43 | brlcad | if you can't find the main player loop in playing.cxx though.... |
| 16:44.44 | nn-main | brlcad, I spent for hours yesretday and 1or2 today looking for Top To Bottem of playing.cxx and still have't found it :(!! |
| 16:44.55 | nn-main | its driving me NUTZ |
| 16:45.07 | spldart | Methinks you really are biting off a bit much with your code knowledgebase |
| 16:45.50 | nn-main | msg Alive which i am guessing is a respon and that is the closest i got to getting a piece of code about position from the server :( |
| 16:46.05 | brlcad | msg alive is not what you want |
| 16:46.25 | brlcad | from what i've just read of what you're trying to do |
| 16:46.39 | nn-main | It seems like i always do that lol ..... Determination makes me learn it as i go along |
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| 16:48.02 | nn-main | than were is the message that updates all tank positions for the radar display? ....... and what format is it in tcp or udp ? |
| 16:48.25 | nn-main | compileing wireshark |
| 16:48.37 | nn-main | so i don't know yet |
| 16:49.23 | brlcad | your question makes no sense |
| 16:50.47 | nn-main | the radar display shows the map and puts a squar where the tank xyz position is so .... there has to be some code some where that gives or gets that information |
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| 16:51.17 | nn-main | most likely gets |
| 16:51.33 | brlcad | yeah, but you're thinking like a player, not like how it's coded |
| 16:52.23 | brlcad | the interface you see in the game is not the best place to approach what you're looking for |
| 16:52.30 | brlcad | find the main playing loop in playing.cxx |
| 16:52.56 | nn-main | im shure its not ... what I have gathered is the server has udp packets .... code_comand data data data possibly_more_data |
| 16:53.04 | brlcad | if you can't find that, no offense, but you really should stop .. maybe go through some code tutorials first |
| 16:53.51 | nn-main | :( I wish bzflag had made a net Protocal Doc it would make this easiear |
| 16:54.15 | brlcad | the main loop will lead you do where updates and network events are handled |
| 16:54.23 | brlcad | eh, it does... |
| 16:55.11 | nn-main | I actually use the code as my tortorial by picking up ways things are done it is just when something gets elusive ..... hides it gets anoying .......... Ok i will go and start form the main loop at the bottom like you suggest |
| 16:55.46 | brlcad | read it carefully, start with the function names |
| 16:56.01 | brlcad | the function names and comments alone will point you down the path |
| 16:57.32 | brlcad | the main loop is pretty damn explicit, so if you can't find it.. really, step back and take a breather and/or go through a code tutorial |
| 16:57.44 | nn-main | how do you find a function or set of functions that are not in a cxx of the function name or pointer |
| 16:57.51 | brlcad | otherwise you're just asking questions that will basically amount to others doing it for you |
| 16:58.43 | brlcad | failed to parse that question .. |
| 16:59.02 | blast007 | nn-main: like I told you yesterday, use grep.... |
| 16:59.05 | brlcad | if you don't know what a function is, it's a non-starter for reading code |
| 16:59.20 | blast007 | he's asking how to find where a function is defined |
| 16:59.30 | SpazzyMcGee | nn-main: You really need to work on you spelling & grammar. |
| 16:59.46 | brlcad | that's my point, if you can't find a function by reading the file, that's a big problem |
| 16:59.46 | blast007 | SpazzyMcGee: you too, apparently |
| 16:59.52 | blast007 | "you spelling & grammar" |
| 16:59.57 | SpazzyMcGee | typo |
| 17:00.00 | SpazzyMcGee | heh. |
| 17:00.02 | blast007 | ;) |
| 17:01.53 | brlcad | it's like trying to find a particular sentance in a novel when you don't yet know how to read.. |
| 17:03.41 | spldart | sry... humor attempt denied... prolly due to bad pun, segfault or memory leak |
| 17:04.03 | nn-main | so ... find (pwd's retun dir) | xargs -I P cat P | grep function->comand :) |
| 17:04.26 | nn-main | ie search everything |
| 17:04.28 | brlcad | IF it were a digital novel (which it is in this case), but then you still don't know how the sentence is structured, and the book is written in arabic |
| 17:05.17 | nn-main | yes that would be true lol |
| 17:05.43 | Winny | not like the book is all that well written anyways |
| 17:05.48 | nn-main | im just a terrable writer ..... in the first draft :) |
| 17:06.15 | brlcad | nn-main: read up on what functions are, and identify the functions in playing.cxx |
| 17:06.35 | brlcad | then find the functions that pertain to the main loop .. |
| 17:06.41 | brlcad | then go from there to the updates |
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| 17:19.07 | catay | nn-main: you can also just use grep -R to do a recurisve search ;) |
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| 17:56.27 | nn-main | YESSSSSSS!!!! I found it |
| 17:58.27 | Winny | now you've just gotta write it into BZAdmin. |
| 17:58.38 | nn-main | player.cxx function handlePlayerMessage -> Player.cxx unpack -> ../common/PlayerState.cxx "unpack" function |
| 17:59.10 | mbfg | there is a net protocol doc, btw |
| 17:59.15 | mbfg | not particularly english, but.. |
| 17:59.30 | nn-main | lol :) |
| 18:00.02 | nn-main | now i just got to figure out by tampering with bzadmin to get this to work |
| 18:00.31 | Winny | You've also gotta get the server to send you the right info, too, IIRC. |
| 18:02.26 | mbfg | doc/guide/NetworkProtocol.xml |
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| 19:45.14 | blast007 | hrm... how do I make the ./configure script look to a different curl-config binary file? I have a locally compiled libcurl in my home directory that I want to use |
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| 19:48.03 | L4m3r | blast007: I'd just be lame and symlink it from a directory that curl looks in XD |
| 19:48.12 | blast007 | L4m3r: meh.. |
| 19:48.25 | L4m3r | or install it properly |
| 19:48.26 | blast007 | that one is for x86 though... the one I build is for armel |
| 19:48.34 | L4m3r | o_O |
| 19:48.37 | blast007 | built* |
| 19:48.52 | blast007 | trying to get bzfs and/or bzadmin on my Nokia thing :P |
| 19:48.56 | JeffM | cross compiling for hi snokia |
| 19:50.13 | blast007 | I tried reading through the configure script, but that's not helping ;) |
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| 19:51.13 | blast007 | tried just adding CPPFLAGS and LDDFLAGS to point to the right include and library directories, but it still tries to use that curl-config binary, which tells it that it's incompatible (x86 vs armel) |
| 19:54.06 | brlcad | blast007: the logic is in the libcurl.m4 file |
| 19:54.39 | blast007 | oh |
| 19:54.42 | brlcad | that tells it where/how to look and what to set while searching |
| 19:54.53 | brlcad | in the m4 dir, m4/libcurl.m4 |
| 19:55.55 | brlcad | it adds a --with-libcurl=DIR option that might help override |
| 19:56.26 | brlcad | that would be the normal way if we didn't have any bad assumptions in our configure.ac template |
| 19:56.48 | blast007 | I tried that setting as well |
| 19:57.24 | blast007 | passed the lib dir of the curl in my home directory |
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| 20:00.57 | blast007 | ooo, I think I got it |
| 20:01.02 | blast007 | time to try 'make' ;) |
| 20:01.50 | blast007 | though at this point I'm not expecting it to work on the actual device without some library fun, but we'll see |
| 20:04.29 | jftsang | nn-main, you there? |
| 20:07.29 | blast007 | hmm, different version of libcurl on the device |
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| 20:37.35 | blast007 | brlcad: thanks for the tip about the libcurl.m4 file |
| 20:37.45 | blast007 | I have a bzfs server running off the Nokia now ;D |
| 20:39.05 | Winny | nice |
| 20:39.07 | blast007 | bzadmin doesn't work though |
| 20:39.16 | Winny | ...now compile BZFLAG |
| 20:39.17 | blast007 | "Error opening terminal: xterm" |
| 20:39.21 | blast007 | Winny: can't |
| 20:39.29 | Winny | :( |
| 20:39.34 | blast007 | well, I could, but it won't run very well |
| 20:39.44 | blast007 | no drivers for he 3D chip in the device |
| 20:39.45 | blast007 | the* |
| 20:39.59 | blast007 | at least not any that are open-source, and work with the kernel version it uses |
| 20:40.02 | JeffM | did you install one of the xterm builds from apt? |
| 20:40.08 | JeffM | there are full xterms out there |
| 20:40.13 | JeffM | IIRC i have one on mine |
| 20:40.16 | blast007 | JeffM: ah |
| 20:40.27 | JeffM | it dosn't SHIP with a terminal |
| 20:40.43 | JeffM | but since its' debianish there are a number of terminal ports |
| 20:41.16 | blast007 | OS2008 ships with a terminal |
| 20:41.30 | JeffM | but not an Xterminal IIRC |
| 20:41.33 | blast007 | osso-xterm - X Terminal Emulator for the OSSO |
| 20:41.41 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:41.41 | blast007 | s/ the// |
| 20:41.43 | JeffM | get that |
| 20:41.48 | JeffM | or you have that? |
| 20:41.54 | blast007 | I have that |
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| 20:42.01 | JeffM | open it and type xterm |
| 20:42.05 | JeffM | see what happens |
| 20:42.20 | blast007 | not found |
| 20:42.31 | JeffM | yeah the command isn't linked in the right place |
| 20:42.38 | JeffM | there are other better terminals |
| 20:42.38 | blast007 | it's "osso-xterm" |
| 20:42.43 | JeffM | I put one on mine |
| 20:42.47 | JeffM | so symlink it :) |
| 20:42.52 | jftsang | On Linux you need to ./configure before compiling; on Windows (Dev-CPP) what is the equivalent of ./configure? |
| 20:42.55 | blast007 | yeah, gonna try that |
| 20:43.10 | JeffM | jftsang there isn |
| 20:43.11 | Winny | jftsang: you gotta use a GUI compiler for the most part |
| 20:43.19 | JeffM | and devC++ isn't up to date |
| 20:43.21 | Winny | check out Visual C++ Express Edition |
| 20:43.23 | blast007 | jftsang: good luck with Dev-CPP... don't think the project files for that are maintained |
| 20:43.30 | JeffM | I highly recomend you do not use it |
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| 20:43.36 | JeffM | we actualy pulled them for trunk |
| 20:44.21 | JeffM | jftsang what are you building trunk or branch? |
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| 20:45.36 | JeffM | sigh |
| 20:45.59 | jftsang | *facepalm* |
| 20:46.00 | JeffM | so how much of that did you miss? |
| 20:47.40 | jftsang | ? |
| 20:47.50 | Winny | how much of us telling you stuff did you not see? |
| 20:47.57 | JeffM | of the conversation on devC++ |
| 20:48.01 | jftsang | after you kicked menotume |
| 20:48.03 | jftsang | well |
| 20:48.05 | jftsang | as a /me |
| 20:48.08 | JeffM | are you building trunk or branch? |
| 20:48.21 | jftsang | I'm downloading the entire source from sVN |
| 20:48.26 | JeffM | for what version? |
| 20:48.29 | blast007 | hmm, symlink didn't work, since "osso-xterm" is a symlink as well, and it's based on the name... guess I'll look for a real xterm |
| 20:48.32 | JeffM | 2.0.x or 3.0? |
| 20:48.35 | jftsang | current (2.0.11?) |
| 20:48.37 | Winny | trunk is 3.0, branch is 2.0 |
| 20:48.42 | jftsang | trunk |
| 20:48.51 | JeffM | no branch |
| 20:48.54 | JeffM | if your 2.0.x |
| 20:49.05 | JeffM | if you got trunk you'll get 2.99.x |
| 20:49.10 | jftsang | well, I used "svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag" |
| 20:49.17 | Winny | so 3.0 |
| 20:49.18 | JeffM | then you are geting 2.99 |
| 20:49.22 | JeffM | yeabh 3.0 |
| 20:49.33 | JeffM | there are no devC++ files for that version |
| 20:49.58 | jftsang | ok, and you are suggesting I should use MSVC? |
| 20:50.00 | JeffM | but if you install VC8 ee, the FULL platform SDK and direct X SDK it wuild build "out of the box" |
| 20:50.15 | JeffM | well as soon as I go make a small change here :) |
| 20:50.33 | JeffM | you do know that turnk is incompatable with 2.0.x right? |
| 20:50.39 | jftsang | yes |
| 20:51.18 | blast007 | JeffM: I don't see any other "xterm" available |
| 20:51.30 | JeffM | hmm |
| 20:51.30 | jftsang | (Correct me if I am wrong, but is the trunk what was once called 2.2.x ?) |
| 20:51.38 | JeffM | jftsang, 2.1.x |
| 20:51.42 | blast007 | even checked for the other OS versions, and they all only have osso-xterm |
| 20:51.44 | jftsang | ok |
| 20:51.46 | JeffM | there was never anything taged as 2.2.x |
| 20:53.10 | JeffM | ahh DTRemenak fixed the VC8 projects, good |
| 20:53.27 | jftsang | Hmm... I'm sure I have read of a 2.2.x on the Wiki somewhere |
| 20:53.32 | JeffM | so yeah it shold build out of the box ( for the non distrobution targets ) using VC8ee |
| 20:53.42 | JeffM | 2.1.x was going to be released as 2.2 |
| 20:53.48 | JeffM | but we changed to make it be 3.0 |
| 20:53.56 | JeffM | and bumped the dev version to 2.99.x |
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| 20:54.10 | Winny | changed to 3.0 so they have an extra release number at the end |
| 20:54.11 | JeffM | this way we'll bump the major version for each released incompatable protocoll |
| 20:54.24 | JeffM | yeah so we get a little more room in the versioning |
| 20:54.28 | jftsang | aaah. So you say that I require VC8, and this: http://www.microsoft.com/msdownload/platformsdk/sdkupdate/XPSP2FULLInstall.htm and Direct X SDK |
| 20:54.35 | JeffM | yes |
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| 20:54.44 | JeffM | but be sure to install ALL of the platform SDK |
| 20:54.51 | JeffM | even if you don't think you need part of it |
| 20:55.04 | jftsang | so, all 200+ MB of it |
| 20:55.20 | JeffM | yup |
| 20:55.23 | blast007 | only 200MB? |
| 20:55.26 | JeffM | welcome to development |
| 20:55.30 | JeffM | yeah i'll be more then that |
| 20:55.36 | JeffM | probalby close to a gig when you get done |
| 20:55.50 | blast007 | hmm, and that might be the latest platform SDK |
| 20:56.37 | JeffM | VC9ee has download options for auto installing the plat SDK, it's much nicer now |
| 20:56.57 | jftsang | k. Should I use VC9 then? |
| 20:57.01 | JeffM | no |
| 20:57.06 | JeffM | we have done little testing on it |
| 20:57.15 | JeffM | not sure if the projects are up to date |
| 20:57.31 | JeffM | it is very new |
| 20:58.51 | jftsang | the moment my connection dies... |
| 20:58.51 | jftsang | DOH! |
| 20:59.05 | JeffM | you need to fix that |
| 20:59.06 | JeffM | badly |
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| 21:00.33 | blast007 | I had better connection uptime with dialup :P |
| 21:00.44 | jftsang | Reminds me of a classic joke: "Hello, I need you to repair the Internet" |
| 21:01.20 | whodaman- | blast007, laserball2 is running a cheat server... |
| 21:01.31 | blast007 | sigh.. |
| 21:01.36 | whodaman- | again |
| 21:02.03 | whodaman- | CRW is there.. I think... under the name :()IIIIIIII3 or something like that |
| 21:02.21 | whodaman- | and laserball has -srvmsg "anyone who says I'm a cheater will be banned" |
| 21:03.29 | whodaman- | and of course, /poll doesn't work |
| 21:04.04 | jftsang | Is this 1984 or something |
| 21:04.27 | whodaman- | and one guys score is 102:2 |
| 21:04.38 | Winny | blast007: list wipe! baby list wipe! |
| 21:04.46 | Winny | list wipe babaaay! |
| 21:06.55 | whodaman- | He has some cheat |
| 21:07.06 | blast007 | banned the IP from the list |
| 21:07.09 | Winny | yay |
| 21:07.11 | whodaman- | he gets killed by peopl over and over and over again |
| 21:07.16 | blast007 | should filter out in the next 30 minutes iirc |
| 21:07.19 | whodaman- | so they are suspected for cheating |
| 21:07.28 | Winny | you can't remove it normally? |
| 21:07.31 | Winny | err, manually |
| 21:10.28 | blast007 | poof |
| 21:10.38 | blast007 | he'll probably just change his IP and relist |
| 21:11.11 | jftsang | can't you just masterban him |
| 21:11.22 | whodaman- | he's a known cheater anyway |
| 21:11.50 | blast007 | jftsang: I'll see what happens next |
| 21:12.26 | AHA | blast007: its down now |
| 21:12.35 | blast007 | AHA: down, or just removed? |
| 21:12.37 | blast007 | I removed it |
| 21:12.58 | blast007 | down, nvm |
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| 21:16.18 | jftsang | JeffM: Doesn't it say that you need the cURL libraries to compile? Do I have to get those as well or is it built-in |
| 21:16.48 | blast007 | jftsang: check in src/other/ |
| 21:18.02 | jftsang | kthx |
| 21:18.25 | jftsang | anything else I should know? |
| 21:19.42 | blast007 | well, I'm not sure if the stuff in src/other/ works for sure, so you might still need to get the library yourself |
| 21:19.48 | blast007 | but try without first |
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| 21:25.58 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r16391 10/trunk/db/bzgrpmgr/ (8 files in 3 dirs): |
| 21:25.58 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: SQL structure change: all permissions are now stored in an SQL table. Support for "special" permissions (i.e., members of one group can administer members in another on a group-to-group basis). |
| 21:25.58 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: Misc. data and auth class enhancements. |
| 21:25.58 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: Index page now displays users' memberships and admin-able groups for logged-in users. |
| 21:27.46 | TD-Linux | eeek bold? |
| 21:29.06 | JeffM | jftsang, the VC8 project will buld anythign it needs |
| 21:29.14 | jftsang | k |
| 21:29.17 | JeffM | or turn off the optional stuff ( like glew and pdcurses) |
| 21:29.21 | JeffM | it's meant to be the easy way |
| 21:29.31 | JeffM | just make sure you do the one that is NOT marked as distrobution |
| 21:29.37 | jftsang | downloaded half of the SDK.. ¬_¬ |
| 21:29.38 | jftsang | k |
| 21:30.49 | jftsang | I think I asked this the other day, but is it possible to use Unicode fonts and characters in BZF? (making a Chinese translation) |
| 21:31.00 | JeffM | not yet |
| 21:31.04 | JeffM | but we are getting there |
| 21:31.16 | JeffM | the new font system can draw the glyphs |
| 21:31.30 | JeffM | but we wouldneed to modify the rest of our app to store and sling around unicode strings |
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| 21:35.31 | jftsang___ | while I am here, do _longitude and _latitude actually /do/ anything when changed |
| 21:36.12 | JeffM | yes |
| 21:36.21 | JeffM | sky positions |
| 21:36.30 | JeffM | and sun/moon stuff |
| 21:36.47 | Winny | doesn't it put you on that spot on the earth, sorta? |
| 21:37.06 | JeffM | yes for time/sky |
| 21:38.40 | Winny | whoa, what on earth does this mean? |
| 21:38.41 | Winny | pure virtual method called |
| 21:38.41 | Winny | terminate called without an active exception |
| 21:39.00 | JeffM | means a coding bug |
| 21:39.22 | JeffM | there is a class that has the base class with a method that is set to = 0 |
| 21:39.31 | JeffM | and the derived class dosn't implment a real one |
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| 21:40.53 | blast007 | JeffM: I got bzadmin working. I needed ncurses-base :) |
| 21:40.58 | JeffM | cool |
| 21:41.15 | JeffM | how does it look? |
| 21:41.29 | blast007 | well, it's in color even, so looks fine |
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| 21:41.59 | blast007 | the server is jittery, but I suppose I can't expect too much |
| 21:42.32 | blast007 | likely something to do with power management, or it's just the wifi |
| 21:42.40 | jftsang___ | yes, but how do I set it? If I were west of GMT, would it be negative, for example? |
| 21:43.13 | JeffM | jftsang google it, it's an internationa standard IIRC :) |
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| 22:08.25 | nn-main | what is the varibal in bzfs i have to change to make bzfs think its a common client to recieve player update messages ? |
| 22:08.47 | JeffM | you mean bzadmin? |
| 22:09.52 | jftsang | http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=86cf7fa2-e953-475c-abde-f016e4f7b61a&displaylang=en -- is this what I am looking for? |
| 22:10.03 | jftsang | nn-main: we meet at last. Got my PM? |
| 22:10.18 | nn-main | ya bzadmin |
| 22:10.30 | JeffM | jftsang yeah |
| 22:10.39 | jftsang | ohgod... WGA |
| 22:10.46 | JeffM | nn-main, part of the join message |
| 22:10.59 | JeffM | I don't think it's a simple "variable" |
| 22:11.45 | nn-main | humm... |
| 22:13.20 | JeffM | have you verifed that it dosn't send you the updates? |
| 22:14.56 | blast007 | I didn't think 2.0.x did anything to filter that |
| 22:15.01 | nn-main | needForSpeed=true; |
| 22:15.08 | nn-main | i need that on right |
| 22:15.24 | nn-main | yes i should be printing messages |
| 22:15.32 | nn-main | but am not recieveing them |
| 22:15.39 | nn-main | i think i found the code |
| 22:15.49 | JeffM | nn-main, that turns on UDP |
| 22:15.55 | JeffM | nn-main, what did you find? |
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| 22:16.12 | JeffM | blast007, it dosn't do the same level of checks, just checks for limbo |
| 22:16.48 | Maquero | heey pls need admins, Missile Ware 2.3... pls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP |
| 22:16.57 | JeffM | dude |
| 22:17.15 | Winny | coming... |
| 22:17.23 | Maquero | thnx!!!!!! |
| 22:17.44 | L4m3r | Lol |
| 22:17.56 | jftsang | lol? |
| 22:17.56 | jftsang | The admins might be able to help you at Missile Wars instead :P |
| 22:18.46 | Maquero | thnx a lote Winny :P!!! happy year |
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| 22:24.47 | Winny | blast007: what was laserball2's server IP? |
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| 22:26.42 | Winny | in 3.0, would it be possible to have the player's whoole host and IP shown on join and quit? |
| 22:27.23 | jftsang_____ | ..doesn't it already do that for admins |
| 22:27.27 | whodaman- | no |
| 22:27.29 | whodaman- | just the IP |
| 22:27.32 | whodaman- | not the host |
| 22:27.41 | Winny | ~dns 87.152.110.96 |
| 22:27.48 | Winny | wahoo |
| 22:28.22 | jftsang | ~dns 127.0.0.1 |
| 22:28.36 | whodaman- | ~dns localhost |
| 22:28.48 | jftsang | ~dns 192.168.2.1 |
| 22:30.39 | Winny | I hope not too many people use dialin. heh. |
| 22:31.09 | jftsang | Can't BZFlag just have a function that detects modified clients and flags thm for administrator review? |
| 22:32.04 | Winny | how would you do that? |
| 22:32.15 | blast007 | magic |
| 22:32.16 | Winny | It's opensource, so mostly everything can be faked. |
| 22:32.24 | blast007 | even if it was closed source, it can be faked |
| 22:32.28 | Winny | yeah |
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| 22:34.53 | jftsang | as I was saying, could we not track parts of players' clients |
| 22:35.23 | jftsang | or parts of the client software's binary |
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| 22:35.41 | blast007 | jftsang: you probably missed it |
| 22:35.45 | blast007 | we said anything can be faked |
| 22:35.54 | jftsang | ah |
| 22:36.11 | blast007 | so that would be worthless to add in |
| 22:36.17 | blast007 | it's just a waste of our time |
| 22:36.40 | blast007 | and the main people it would affect would be innocent people |
| 22:36.48 | jftsang | ok |
| 22:36.55 | blast007 | let's say that someone builds their own client... that one would be flagged as "modified" |
| 22:37.13 | Winny | everything needs to be controlled and/or monitored by the server, really. |
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| 22:40.48 | wanda | ping DTRemenak |
| 22:41.14 | DTRemenak | wanda: pong |
| 22:41.44 | wanda | hi ... i failed to build the latest bzfs bzclient |
| 22:41.57 | DTRemenak | what errors? |
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| 22:42.09 | wanda | somthing like #include <errno.h> seems to be missing in src/common/BufferedNetworkMessage.cxx ... |
| 22:42.16 | DTRemenak | ah, it probably is |
| 22:42.45 | wanda | if i add this line it builds ok again but dont know if it is the right place :-) |
| 22:45.58 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16392 10/trunk/bzflag/src/common/BufferedNetworkMessage.cxx: BufferedNetworkMessage header cleanup. Also include errno.h since we use it. |
| 22:46.04 | DTRemenak | thanks |
| 22:47.47 | wanda | checked and compiled ok .. thank you |
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| 22:54.01 | jftsang | where is Jeff |
| 22:54.33 | blast007 | not here |
| 22:54.59 | jftsang | 40% downloaded... >__> |
| 22:55.33 | jftsang | according to VC8ee it could not find "windows.h" |
| 22:55.46 | DTRemenak | you need the platform sdk |
| 22:56.00 | jftsang | uuh... but I have that |
| 22:56.18 | jftsang | Microsoft Platform SDK for Windows XP SP2 |
| 22:56.30 | DTRemenak | if it's correctly set up (include/lib dirs set) it should be able to find windows.h then |
| 22:56.50 | blast007 | yesh, you have to set up VC8EE to use it |
| 22:56.53 | blast007 | yeah* |
| 22:57.12 | jftsang | as a general guide, how |
| 22:57.24 | DTRemenak | Tools/Options/Projects/VC++ Directories |
| 22:57.51 | DTRemenak | add the sdk include dir under "include directories" and the lib dir under "library directories" or whatever. |
| 22:59.49 | blast007 | jftsang: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/express/aa700755.aspx |
| 23:00.20 | blast007 | you'll have to adjust your directories a bit, since you didn't use the version they recommended |
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| 23:19.27 | jftsang______ | Now all I need is DirectX, right? |
| 23:19.43 | jftsang______ | well |
| 23:19.45 | nn-main | im stuck i can make bzadmin print a single message !!!! i have tryed Every way i know how |
| 23:19.46 | jftsang______ | DirectX SDK |
| 23:19.57 | jftsang______ | you can make? :P |
| 23:20.06 | nn-main | can'tt |
| 23:20.11 | nn-main | sory |
| 23:20.16 | nn-main | my falt |
| 23:20.51 | nn-main | i have even tryed std:cout << "Test" Nothing |
| 23:21.38 | nn-main | oups nvmind i did somthing stupid and simple :------ Sory |
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| 23:38.07 | nn-main | playerUpdate:qqrykuAt time309.024109XYZ, XYZ Velocity, Azimuth, angvel :-348.059998 -91.059998 0.000000, -1.000000 0.690000 -0.612479, -0.612479, -0.785000 |
| 23:38.20 | nn-main | well not to bad for a start |
| 23:42.39 | nn-main | i see now why you use ded rekoning |
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