| 00:00.44 | JeffM | so what's the deal with the "coogle" guy? |
| 00:01.13 | Winny | JeffM: he's a new cheater, I *think* it's BZFcheat's new name, seeing as he's joined from the same hosts as them. |
| 00:01.22 | Winny | flys without wings, and has some sort of aiming mech. |
| 00:01.23 | JeffM | k |
| 00:02.56 | Winny | he started out playing without a cheat client, but then started with some sort of selective non-kill thing |
| 00:03.05 | Winny | Djpenguin: STOP CTCP PINGING ME |
| 00:03.06 | JeffM | so another cheat client :) |
| 00:03.10 | Winny | yeah |
| 00:06.28 | F687s | I found a cheater that had the word "CHEAT" right in his version string. |
| 00:06.36 | JeffM | Constitution, harder then yout hink |
| 00:06.39 | JeffM | but yeah possible |
| 00:06.58 | F687s | if someone's intelligent enough to patch his clients, then why would you do that? |
| 00:07.07 | JeffM | to moc you |
| 00:07.52 | Winny | F687s: they don't care about being caught |
| 00:08.02 | Winny | they just want to try and cause as much trouble and angst as possible |
| 00:08.35 | F687s | *digs though signatures.txt* "We have enough youth, how about a fountain of SMART?" |
| 00:08.58 | Winny | JeffM: writing a new song? |
| 00:09.15 | JeffM | The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands. |
| 00:09.27 | JeffM | old song ;) |
| 00:09.34 | F687s | In Xanadu did Kubla Khan A stately pleasure-dome decree |
| 00:11.06 | JeffM | tis even older then both you and i |
| 00:11.48 | Winny | older then you? wow, that's old! ;) |
| 00:11.54 | JeffM | by 2 years |
| 00:12.48 | JeffM | tho I don't think I'm the oldest one in here |
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| 00:13.32 | Winny | of course not |
| 00:17.40 | Erroneous | mbfg? where? |
| 00:17.47 | JeffM | there |
| 00:17.49 | Erroneous | ooh, he is here |
| 00:18.40 | JeffM | dude your tests are SLOW |
| 00:18.59 | Erroneous | not that slow |
| 00:19.01 | Erroneous | just numerous |
| 00:19.06 | JeffM | still running |
| 00:19.10 | Erroneous | D? |
| 00:19.21 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:19.21 | Erroneous | did it get past where it died before? |
| 00:19.28 | JeffM | I think so |
| 00:19.29 | Erroneous | and should I file a bug? |
| 00:19.47 | JeffM | naw I will |
| 00:19.51 | JeffM | havent' checked it in yet |
| 00:19.54 | Erroneous | k |
| 00:20.47 | Erroneous | gonna close 14775 too? |
| 00:21.01 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:23.11 | JeffM | did you see the responce from carnage? maybe he'll supise us |
| 00:24.08 | Winny | he was actualy nice? |
| 00:24.20 | JeffM | very civil und understanding |
| 00:24.53 | Winny | wow |
| 00:24.55 | Erroneous | wasn't he like that last time he came back too? |
| 00:25.03 | JeffM | not so much |
| 00:25.14 | JeffM | last time I remember it was a "yeah yeah what do I gotta do?" |
| 00:25.15 | Erroneous | I mean, don't get me wrong |
| 00:25.21 | JeffM | but we'll see |
| 00:25.23 | Erroneous | I would love to see a real change of attitude |
| 00:25.46 | Erroneous | but it's hard to believe someone you know was a habitual liar |
| 00:25.52 | JeffM | indeed |
| 00:25.54 | JeffM | time will tell |
| 00:25.58 | JeffM | wonder what happend to db |
| 00:26.05 | JeffM | and if he did realy loose his job over it |
| 00:26.15 | Winny | he lost his job over... cheating? |
| 00:26.48 | JeffM | in a round about way, yes |
| 00:26.52 | Winny | ooh |
| 00:27.03 | Winny | I wonder how that works |
| 00:27.28 | JeffM | when you get banned for cheating.. then decide to realitate, it is NOT the best idea in the world to attack internet servers from your work |
| 00:27.30 | Erroneous | that's what happens when you let online activities dominate real life, and don't use good judgement about whos computers you use for what |
| 00:27.50 | Winny | JeffM: rofl |
| 00:28.02 | JeffM | specialy wehn the admins of the servers you attack are not related to the game and are very much willing to make an issue out of it with the compnay. |
| 00:28.48 | JeffM | it was a sizeable company as well |
| 00:29.11 | Winny | was he doing the UNKNOWN spamming from work, I take it? |
| 00:29.33 | JeffM | IRC |
| 00:29.51 | Winny | fun |
| 00:29.53 | JeffM | the unknown stuff went thru tor, and was probalby scripted from a home machine |
| 00:41.01 | spldart | OMG LOL ... sry... just read up. He went after a server from his work ip LOL!!! |
| 00:41.11 | spldart | dos or hack |
| 00:43.58 | Winny | IRC spamming I think |
| 00:44.10 | spldart | Oh... just harrassment then |
| 00:44.15 | spldart | Still so stupid though lol |
| 00:46.23 | Gnurdux | preventing flying without wings wouldn't be too hard a protocol mod |
| 00:47.03 | Gnurdux | just have each user have a "pre-jump position," "jump time," and "jump velocity" |
| 00:47.38 | Gnurdux | instead of having the user report its position continuously when in the air |
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| 01:17.00 | JeffM | Gnurdux, or just track the fall on the server ;) |
| 02:13.04 | Macrosoft | F687s: 1440x900 ftw |
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| 02:18.40 | Winny | sigh |
| 02:18.50 | Winny | clearly 1650x1080 wins, Macrosoft. |
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| 02:34.18 | Macrosoft | lol http://flickr.com/photos/22028397@N04/2124911177/ |
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| 02:45.41 | mbfg | where? |
| 02:47.04 | spldart | LMAO Macro |
| 02:47.09 | mbfg | merry christmas to all |
| 02:47.25 | spldart | And to all a good frag |
| 02:47.51 | mbfg | is bzflag going to be under the tree this year? |
| 02:48.11 | brlcad | hehe |
| 02:48.56 | spldart | As much as possible |
| 02:49.22 | a_meteorite | I'd love a boxed bzflag :P |
| 02:50.11 | spldart | bzflag = a video card, a whole pc, a broadband connection, etc.etc etc |
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| 03:45.15 | spldart | omg! I've never seen the 3 stooges all join one team before.. but I just saw it on the ctf at the top of the server list :-0 |
| 03:46.34 | Macrosoft | spldart: i see no stooges |
| 03:46.50 | spldart | meh..... |
| 03:47.04 | Macrosoft | spldart: i dont see you either |
| 03:47.08 | spldart | My meaning = the red team is playing so bad they are hindering even their good player |
| 03:47.18 | spldart | player=players |
| 03:47.23 | Macrosoft | spldart: that always happens |
| 03:47.24 | spldart | I WAS there |
| 03:47.34 | spldart | Not to this degree.... I assure you.. |
| 03:47.42 | spldart | It was like a... OMG moment |
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| 04:08.38 | a_temp_dist | is stats.bzflag.org still kept up to date as far as current and past players? |
| 04:11.59 | a_meteorite | a_temp_dist: both the my and stats subdomain go to the same stuff, afaik |
| 04:12.28 | a_meteorite | for instance, http://stats.bzflag.org/bb |
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| 04:12.36 | a_temp_dist | mofo just had an odd cheater and I wanted to see if I could track him, but he doesn't appear in that database |
| 04:12.46 | a_temp_dist | http://stats.bzflag.org/playersearch.php?callsign=brotha |
| 04:12.56 | a_temp_dist | copied the username right from the log |
| 04:13.04 | a_meteorite | only works if they were during the 5 min update interval |
| 04:13.06 | Winny | it only updates every 5 min IIRC |
| 04:13.09 | Winny | bah |
| 04:13.15 | a_temp_dist | ah yea - fooie |
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| 04:56.03 | Macrosoft | hmm...is Vcore voltage supposed to go down when the cpu is under heavy load? |
| 04:57.23 | AAA_Awright | Under a heavy load the supplied voltage can go down... for batteries at least. The current (Amps) goes up under a heavy load |
| 04:58.13 | Macrosoft | AAA_Awright: so its normal, then? |
| 04:58.57 | AAA_Awright | It is probably normal. A high rated power supply might have less of that effect though |
| 04:59.26 | Macrosoft | when it goes from idle to heavy load, vcore drops about 0.03V |
| 05:00.54 | JeffM | that should not be a big enough drop to matter |
| 05:01.08 | JeffM | usualy you increase the voltage when you OC |
| 05:01.11 | JeffM | so it's probable |
| 05:01.30 | JeffM | if you don't have a problem dons't worry |
| 05:01.55 | Macrosoft | JeffM: i've had it set to auto in bios settings so far, but ive been lowering it in small amounts to reduce temperature |
| 05:02.15 | JeffM | lower clock speed for temp |
| 05:02.34 | JeffM | are you overclocked? |
| 05:02.38 | Macrosoft | yes |
| 05:02.56 | JeffM | did you raise the voltage when you OCed? |
| 05:03.10 | Macrosoft | JeffM: the mobo did |
| 05:03.36 | JeffM | wellit's not bad to go to the lowest voltate that is stable, above the default |
| 05:03.43 | JeffM | but going below the default is not good |
| 05:03.55 | JeffM | you probalby need more agressive cooling tho |
| 05:04.39 | Macrosoft | JeffM: i can only get 2 more fans on this case |
| 05:04.42 | AAA_Awright | Voltage is comparable to how wide a river is, current (measured in Amps) is comparable to how fast it is moving, Watts is how much water is moving through total. When water starts moving faster, it tends to get narrower. Same thing with electricity, but for *completely* different reasons. |
| 05:05.25 | JeffM | then you need bigger ones ;) |
| 05:05.31 | JeffM | or faster ones |
| 05:05.40 | Macrosoft | JeffM: got a 200mm ;) |
| 05:05.57 | JeffM | I mean a CPU fan, not a case fan |
| 05:07.57 | JeffM | how much of an OC do you have? |
| 05:08.41 | Macrosoft | 20% |
| 05:08.50 | JeffM | on a stock cooler? |
| 05:09.12 | Macrosoft | JeffM: its pretty decent for a stock cooler |
| 05:09.29 | JeffM | yes then |
| 05:09.31 | L4m3r | unless it's got some copper, that's BS :P |
| 05:09.38 | JeffM | most do |
| 05:09.45 | JeffM | but yeah your at the limit of what you can do with that |
| 05:10.03 | JeffM | I'd not push it more unless you want to replace the hardware |
| 05:10.09 | Macrosoft | L4m3r: whats wrong with copper? |
| 05:10.16 | JeffM | cooper is good |
| 05:10.21 | L4m3r | copper is good |
| 05:10.22 | JeffM | some stocks don't have coper |
| 05:10.38 | JeffM | but you can only push a stock cooler very far |
| 05:10.42 | L4m3r | some? I've never seen a stock hsf that wasn't 100% aluminum |
| 05:10.51 | L4m3r | but then I haven't seen too many |
| 05:10.56 | JeffM | L4m3r, all the ones I've goten recently have a copper core |
| 05:11.02 | JeffM | its' common now |
| 05:11.10 | Macrosoft | the center is copper, the fins are aluminum |
| 05:11.12 | JeffM | but usualy they arn't that tall |
| 05:11.12 | L4m3r | hm |
| 05:11.32 | JeffM | and odn't use high flow fans |
| 05:11.41 | L4m3r | JeffM, since we're on the subject, could you recommend a good compact cooler for my 4200X2? |
| 05:11.53 | JeffM | you going to overclock it? |
| 05:12.02 | L4m3r | the first ram slot is very close to the socket :( |
| 05:12.10 | L4m3r | I'd like to, a bit |
| 05:12.18 | Macrosoft | i might as well get a bigger/faster fan, because its already loud. cant get much noiser |
| 05:12.20 | JeffM | liquid |
| 05:12.23 | JeffM | get a zelliman :) |
| 05:12.26 | L4m3r | it's using DDR, though, so I don't know how much I'll get |
| 05:12.34 | JeffM | Macrosoft, you need a taller heat sync |
| 05:12.38 | JeffM | get it as a package |
| 05:12.59 | L4m3r | and it's using a stock cooler that came with my 3200+, all aluminum |
| 05:13.19 | JeffM | I'd get a coolermaster |
| 05:13.21 | JeffM | I like them |
| 05:13.36 | JeffM | the 4200 didn't come with one? |
| 05:13.44 | L4m3r | OEM :\ |
| 05:13.47 | JeffM | it's hard to get an OEM CPU now |
| 05:14.14 | L4m3r | this is the last run, I think. it's s939 |
| 05:14.19 | JeffM | ouch |
| 05:14.28 | L4m3r | fastest proc you can get for that socket, atm |
| 05:14.33 | L4m3r | but cheap :) |
| 05:14.35 | JeffM | then get whatever you can find at fry's :) |
| 05:14.48 | JeffM | you can get up to a 4800 |
| 05:15.06 | L4m3r | heh |
| 05:16.20 | JeffM | Macrosoft, somethinglike a big typhoon, or a ruby orb |
| 05:17.34 | Macrosoft | JeffM: a what? |
| 05:17.39 | JeffM | thermaltake |
| 05:17.48 | JeffM | coolers |
| 05:17.52 | Macrosoft | oh |
| 05:18.04 | JeffM | http://thermaltakeusa.com/product/Cooler/CPUCoolers/Intel/LGA775/LGA775_index.asp |
| 05:18.28 | spldart | I need 2 new hsf's :( |
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| 05:23.14 | Macrosoft | were you talking about these? http://thermaltakeusa.com/product/Cooler/Retail/cl-p0310/cl-p0310.asp |
| 05:24.16 | JeffM | eyah |
| 05:24.36 | JeffM | that's a lot more agressive cooling |
| 05:28.29 | a_meteorite | Take a look at the Thermalright Ultra-120 eXtreme |
| 05:28.58 | a_meteorite | Some serious cooling there, top performer in nearly all air benches ... |
| 05:30.18 | JeffM | meh I'm not a fan of the fanlesses |
| 05:30.35 | a_meteorite | Uh, you can mount 2 120mm's on it |
| 05:30.53 | JeffM | ahh |
| 05:31.01 | JeffM | the pages I see doin't show that |
| 05:31.04 | JeffM | then that's better |
| 05:31.04 | a_meteorite | One is really sufficient though, an extra really only does another 2 degrees celsius or so. |
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| 05:37.33 | Cybo-m | anybody here admin bender.ca? |
| 05:37.45 | a_meteorite | I think I may be... can't remember |
| 05:37.50 | a_meteorite | CRW, eh? |
| 05:38.02 | Cybo-m | got some guy with a bunch of IPs to use who kept comming back after being kicked, cheater |
| 05:38.08 | Cybo-m | not even subtel |
| 05:38.15 | a_meteorite | K |
| 05:38.18 | Cybo-m | might want to look at the logs and do an IP ban |
| 05:38.38 | a_meteorite | Well, I definitely know I don't have log access. You have to have special setup for that |
| 05:39.03 | Cybo-m | stupid special setup! |
| 05:39.13 | a_meteorite | What's his name? |
| 05:39.21 | Cybo-m | he kept changing it. |
| 05:39.23 | a_meteorite | I'm not admin there anyways, but I know the owners |
| 05:39.28 | Cybo-m | you guys are smart |
| 05:39.30 | Cybo-m | heya |
| 05:39.42 | Cybo-m | those are two |
| 05:39.53 | Cybo-m | had a ring of sw to kill you with |
| 05:40.05 | Cybo-m | and bullets would come at you from all compass points |
| 05:41.12 | Cybo-m | anyway, bed time for me. |
| 05:41.17 | a_meteorite | Oi |
| 05:41.34 | a_meteorite | Well, yeah, not many have those sorts of cheats. |
| 05:42.13 | Cybo-m | 100% griefer |
| 05:43.33 | a_meteorite | CRW-ish definitely. |
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| 06:08.17 | Quol | anybody here? |
| 06:08.21 | a_meteorite | Yes |
| 06:08.26 | Quol | can any of you ping quol.bzflag.bz? |
| 06:08.43 | a_meteorite | Sure |
| 06:08.45 | Quol | I think my ISP router is down :( |
| 06:08.54 | a_meteorite | 10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0% packet loss |
| 06:08.54 | a_meteorite | round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 96.296/97.491/98.748/0.754 ms |
| 06:09.00 | Quol | just wondering if it's just my area... |
| 06:09.20 | Quol | really....I guess it's just my route |
| 06:09.23 | Quol | weirdf |
| 06:09.28 | a_meteorite | traceroute? |
| 06:09.46 | Quol | no - I mean the path that my ISP is making me take to get to my server |
| 06:10.03 | Quol | my home ISP that is - to the ISP that hosts my server |
| 06:10.08 | a_meteorite | Right, pastebin a traceroute? |
| 06:10.30 | Quol | ooh - that's what you meant - sure |
| 06:10.59 | Quol | I can drive to my server in 20 minutes, but I can't ping it - while the rest of the world can - lol |
| 06:11.57 | a_meteorite | :P |
| 06:17.53 | Quol | it's back now...weird routing issue...thanks a_meteorite |
| 06:18.00 | a_meteorite | Sure thing |
| 06:20.28 | Macrosoft | heh heh heh... wiping a drive with sudo cp /dev/zero /dev/hdb |
| 06:24.10 | L4m3r | for my operating systems class, the final lab was a crude p2p client |
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| 06:24.26 | L4m3r | and one of the tasks was to make your peer evil and attack other peers |
| 06:24.55 | L4m3r | one of my attacks was serving /dev/random instead of the requested file |
| 06:25.11 | L4m3r | :D |
| 06:25.54 | Macrosoft | L4m3r: nothing malicious here, i just cant get gparted to work, so im wipiing it this way |
| 06:26.29 | a_meteorite | Macrosoft: That's not a very secure way to wipe a drive, if that's what you're looking for |
| 06:26.58 | JeffM | where is the drive going that oyu need to wipe it securely? |
| 06:27.01 | Macrosoft | a_meteorite: it doesnt need to be secure, i just need an empty drive |
| 06:27.29 | Macrosoft | a_meteorite: and whats not secure about /dev/zero |
| 06:27.42 | JeffM | it only does it once |
| 06:27.47 | JeffM | you can still get data off that |
| 06:27.51 | a_meteorite | Yeah |
| 06:27.57 | JeffM | just blow the partion table, that's all you have to do to wipe it |
| 06:28.00 | JeffM | if you don't care |
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| 07:28.16 | Djpenguin | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128077 |
| 07:28.19 | Djpenguin | oops |
| 07:28.23 | a_meteorite | smart |
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| 09:46.32 | jftsang | hai all |
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| 10:24.44 | jftsang | A bit off topic, but does anyone still use the BZFlag group on Facebook? |
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| 15:23.50 | delusional | sphere and extents seem to have been "solved" by removing them. (at least for me) |
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| 15:24.32 | delusional | it bugs me that I'm not doing it right. And FPS is slowed. |
| 15:26.03 | delusional | Is this a correct assumption? When I do not supply sphere, the client is "drawing" the object, even when it is not in the players view. |
| 15:31.00 | delusional | would this be a correct way to get sphere and extents numbers? Run the object (alone and placed at point 0 0 0) through bzfs, and copy the sphere and extents numbers from bzfs. Or does that give incorrect Z? |
| 15:32.32 | delusional | Or should I place the object at it's final destination before getting sphere and extents. |
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| 15:46.00 | jftsang | hai |
| 15:51.19 | F687s | 'ello |
| 15:53.45 | F687s | Look at the description for Nuclear Fallout (http://my.bzflag.org/w/Flag_Ideas) |
| 16:08.22 | Macrosoft | who wrote that? im not reading all of that |
| 16:13.00 | DTRemenak | ` |
| 16:13.15 | jftsang | wth.. nuclear fallout? |
| 16:13.28 | DTRemenak | err...ww |
| 16:14.25 | jftsang | that guy must have been very bored |
| 16:16.05 | jftsang | well, you cant really describe some flags already existing in less than 15 words |
| 16:16.13 | DTRemenak | and they're too complex ;) |
| 16:16.24 | jftsang | what... describe GM in less than 15 words then |
| 16:16.30 | DTRemenak | the only one currently over that limit is PZ |
| 16:16.48 | jftsang | Shot tracks onto target. Right click to lock on. Can relock after firing. |
| 16:17.02 | jftsang | I think someone should seriouly remove PZ |
| 16:17.16 | jftsang | i mean, what mapmaker in his right mind would put PZ in? |
| 16:17.48 | DTRemenak | pz would actually be more useful without the passes-through-buildings side effect |
| 16:17.53 | DTRemenak | given todays maps |
| 16:19.10 | jftsang | mm.. I think someone previously said something about adding a property to objects that stop OO or PZ from working. |
| 16:20.50 | DTRemenak | mhm |
| 16:20.59 | DTRemenak | pw :) |
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| 16:50.55 | jftsang | I see nobody has removed it yet :P |
| 16:52.16 | jftsang | wth @ Combine Momentum and Steamroller flags into one, keep momentum flag name |
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| 17:06.04 | sword | Hello, fellow bzaddicts. |
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| 17:45.27 | jftsang | hai |
| 17:45.35 | jftsang | bai |
| 17:47.28 | JeffM | where is my gun? |
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| 17:48.31 | damon_ | any admin for bzlag.mindbender.ca ? |
| 17:49.00 | damon_ | we got christopher reeves wheel chair and the future is perfect there now |
| 17:49.32 | damon_ | they should just make me an admin, since I am there so often. |
| 17:49.50 | jftsang | is there a world BZ tournament? (e.g. Europe versus America? I heard there was such a competition) |
| 17:49.56 | damon_ | server has no info on "ban" or "kick" is this also a function of a cheat? |
| 17:50.11 | donny_baker | damon_: no |
| 17:50.20 | donny_baker | that would be a server set up |
| 17:50.28 | damon_ | mistyped name perhaps? |
| 17:50.37 | donny_baker | permissions |
| 17:50.41 | damon_ | sometimes it works, sometimes it does not. |
| 17:50.50 | damon_ | same server |
| 17:51.16 | donny_baker | then that would most likely be the user behind the keyboard ;) |
| 17:51.27 | jftsang | its probably a mistyped name |
| 17:51.43 | donny_baker | yeah.. if it has spaces you would need to quote the name |
| 17:51.56 | jftsang | or you can use the numbers next to their nme |
| 17:52.14 | donny_baker | jftsang: he is not an admin |
| 17:52.26 | jftsang | ok |
| 17:52.42 | donny_baker | the best thing to do is set you tab not to jump while typing... (in config somewhere) |
| 17:52.55 | donny_baker | then autocomplete works, just like in IRC |
| 17:53.21 | damon_ | now that is nice to know |
| 17:53.23 | donny_baker | then no more having to type long names... 2 to 3 charactes and ban away :) |
| 17:53.38 | damon_ | we now have three cheats in mindbender, no admin here? |
| 17:53.54 | donny_baker | nope... not I, i don't think.. i can see though |
| 17:53.57 | damon_ | bad obvious cheats and one of them is new |
| 17:54.04 | jftsang | ah.. so /that/'s how you ban cheaters with names such as aweorj12sd3er0df(23a-a34{{}}AW£Erw3 |
| 17:54.11 | damon_ | kin* whatever it is knights |
| 17:54.18 | JeffM | not all servers have pollbans setup |
| 17:54.24 | damon_ | this one does |
| 17:54.27 | JeffM | and not all servers are administered |
| 17:54.34 | JeffM | if it's not setup right go elsewhere |
| 17:54.37 | damon_ | this one is, just no around |
| 17:54.50 | JeffM | then its' not well admined :) |
| 17:55.09 | jftsang | arent there any "global" admins (e.g. bzflag project leaders) in the game? |
| 17:55.11 | damon_ | just needs to add me :) |
| 17:55.17 | JeffM | nope |
| 17:55.23 | damon_ | jftsang, it is server specific |
| 17:55.26 | JeffM | we don't tell people how to use our software |
| 17:55.32 | JeffM | servers are independent |
| 17:55.36 | jftsang | JeffM: not like Microsoft? |
| 17:55.54 | JeffM | that'd be like saying the firefox developers can say how you host websites |
| 17:56.24 | JeffM | jftsang, I am not aware of any MS product that allows MS staff to admin the software on an end user install |
| 17:56.55 | JeffM | but as a project, we are not server cops |
| 17:57.18 | gsnedders | JeffM: WGA? :P |
| 17:57.45 | JeffM | gsnedders, that sends info and disallows updates, that does not allow specific staffers the ability to admin the softwware |
| 17:57.57 | gsnedders | JeffM: I know |
| 17:58.01 | JeffM | it's not the same |
| 17:58.27 | JeffM | WGA is more like our global auth |
| 17:58.32 | gsnedders | JeffM: but it's getting relatively close insofar as banning you from stuff |
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| 17:58.44 | JeffM | if you don't have a specific thing ( key, acct, whatever ) some systems will not send you data. |
| 17:59.07 | JeffM | gsnedders, no, you can still contact the server, they just will not send you new data |
| 17:59.12 | JeffM | you have no inherent right to that new data |
| 17:59.18 | JeffM | they own it |
| 17:59.47 | JeffM | I think you don't see the subtle difrence ;) |
| 18:00.09 | JeffM | you can perceive it on a social level as such, but it's difrent on a techincal level |
| 18:00.14 | JeffM | we do a similar thing |
| 18:00.20 | JeffM | we don't do day to day server admin |
| 18:00.22 | JeffM | BUT |
| 18:00.31 | JeffM | if you are a huge problem, we will pull your global account |
| 18:00.42 | gsnedders | but that doesn't force you out of everything |
| 18:00.49 | JeffM | it bans you out of a lot |
| 18:01.11 | JeffM | we coudl write our software to require auth |
| 18:01.13 | gsnedders | the biggest servers still don't require registration? |
| 18:01.19 | JeffM | and that'd be the same death knell |
| 18:01.27 | JeffM | some do some don't |
| 18:01.45 | JeffM | more said they will as soon as we make it so the cleint can start the reg process. |
| 18:01.58 | JeffM | use the binary we have, it works |
| 18:02.15 | JeffM | older versions of SDL don't have the keyboar thingy |
| 18:02.25 | gsnedders | no issue was with the latest SDL |
| 18:02.27 | gsnedders | *the |
| 18:02.34 | JeffM | exactly |
| 18:02.40 | JeffM | that's why we went BACK one |
| 18:02.47 | JeffM | the older one didn't have the issue |
| 18:03.05 | JeffM | http://beta.bzflag.bz/builds/2.0.x/MacOSX/BZFlag-2.0.10.dmg |
| 18:03.07 | gsnedders | ah, I thought you meant that not having it caused issues |
| 18:03.18 | JeffM | that's built and includes the older SDL |
| 18:03.45 | JeffM | yeah it's not on SF cus some issues with the DMG have to be worked out |
| 18:03.54 | JeffM | but that's basicly the binary that will be posted. |
| 18:04.11 | gsnedders | is the bug in SDL or BZ, BTW? |
| 18:04.22 | JeffM | SDL |
| 18:04.39 | JeffM | it may not be a bug but an incosistencey between SDL and SDL_main |
| 18:04.55 | JeffM | basicly a packaging problem on the SDL end |
| 18:07.00 | gsnedders | is SDL release - 1 all right? |
| 18:10.55 | JeffM | huh? |
| 18:11.07 | JeffM | that bin has it's own SDL framework built in |
| 18:11.07 | gsnedders | previous SDL release |
| 18:11.15 | JeffM | .11 is what we used |
| 18:15.48 | gsnedders | JeffM: I heard it had it's own, but I had various patches on my own build |
| 18:16.25 | JeffM | patches into SDL? |
| 18:16.29 | JeffM | or patches into bz? |
| 18:16.32 | gsnedders | JeffM: BZ |
| 18:16.42 | JeffM | then just but your in in the .app |
| 18:16.49 | JeffM | and it should use the .app's sdl |
| 18:17.31 | gsnedders | does that mean getting 2.0.10 source, or will current 2.0.x branch do? |
| 18:17.39 | JeffM | there isn't much diff |
| 18:18.47 | gsnedders | having replaced SDL 2.1.12 with SDL 2.1.11 it's no longer found at all by ./configure :\ |
| 18:18.59 | JeffM | dunno |
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| 18:42.34 | jftsang | does anyone know where i might get a *useful* wings3d mesh tutorial |
| 18:43.15 | JeffM | probably google |
| 18:44.35 | JeffM | there seems to be lots of links to a bunch of them |
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| 18:45.30 | JeffM | but then it is Wings3D so it's usefullness IMHO is low already ;) |
| 18:45.59 | Palomides | burn! |
| 18:46.05 | Constitution | you prefer blender? |
| 18:46.10 | JeffM | no |
| 18:46.13 | JeffM | lightwave |
| 18:46.16 | Constitution | ah |
| 18:46.29 | JeffM | and milkshape |
| 18:46.37 | JeffM | wings is not the worst modeler in the world |
| 18:46.44 | Constitution | don't they make movies with those modellers? :P |
| 18:46.50 | JeffM | but it's also lacking in a number of places. |
| 18:47.05 | JeffM | and it kinda hides the guts of some things you REALY need to know for making games, etc.. |
| 18:47.30 | JeffM | but it's not a bad intro to modeling |
| 18:47.40 | JeffM | it's a better modeler in then milksape :) |
| 18:47.48 | Constitution | jftsang: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=87366#87366 |
| 18:48.48 | JeffM | it dosnt' SUCK |
| 18:48.54 | JeffM | it' just has limited uses |
| 18:48.55 | JeffM | that's all |
| 18:49.19 | JeffM | well IIRC, it's OBJ exporter sucks :) |
| 18:51.42 | JeffM | tho I'd realy like to write a good UV maping tool one day |
| 18:52.49 | JeffM | something that just had a 2 pane view, the model and the current texture map |
| 18:53.07 | JeffM | with a good interface for storing selctions, and then doing maping projections. |
| 18:53.47 | JeffM | and could automaticly generate wireframe textures from the UV maping so you can paint on them |
| 19:01.49 | tannerld | heh |
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| 20:27.45 | nn-main | killall bzfs causes bzfs to stop the servers on the user but when that hapens it would seem as though bzfs is not exiting cleanly causing ports to be locked in some way ? causing the servers not to be able to restart is there a way of cleanly killing servers |
| 20:28.44 | Winny | join it and type "/shutdownserver" |
| 20:28.48 | donny_baker | JeffM: Confluence personal is free... one user can edit |
| 20:28.56 | Winny | hey donny_baker! |
| 20:29.30 | nn-main | winy then how do you brodcast that to 15 or twenty servers ? |
| 20:29.36 | nn-main | Easily |
| 20:29.50 | Thumper_ | nn-main: what platform? |
| 20:29.54 | Winny | write a script? |
| 20:29.56 | donny_baker | JeffM: http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/pricing.jsp#personal... pretty easy to set up too |
| 20:29.57 | nn-main | gentoo linux |
| 20:30.16 | Thumper_ | nn-main: that should support S_REUSEADDR so when the image dies teh port is freed for immediate reuse |
| 20:30.27 | Thumper_ | SO_REUSEADDR* |
| 20:30.41 | Thumper_ | test it with a single server |
| 20:31.15 | nn-main | Thumper_: Can you give me an example comand line |
| 20:31.35 | Thumper_ | run bzfs, then kill and try to run it again on the same port |
| 20:31.43 | Thumper_ | just kill it with ctrl/c |
| 20:32.18 | nn-main | lol you should see my start scrip :) everything is auto backgrounded |
| 20:32.48 | Thumper_ | then you probably have another process already using the port |
| 20:32.51 | Thumper_ | test with simple stuff |
| 20:33.30 | Thumper_ | I think it's probably already doing the right thing and you just have leftover processes using the port that you don't konw about |
| 20:33.33 | Thumper_ | go check |
| 20:33.38 | nn-main | is there a killall -some_signal_type bzfs that will make bzfs quit evenly |
| 20:33.55 | Thumper_ | man is your friend |
| 20:34.35 | Thumper_ | man killall tells you how to do that |
| 20:36.21 | JeffM | donny_baker, ineresting, tho how hard would it be to set up a wikimedia? |
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| 20:59.56 | damon_ | some one have the link for the admin commands handy? If not, I will go and find them. |
| 21:00.18 | peter_bz | do: /? |
| 21:00.23 | peter_bz | and: /set |
| 21:00.28 | damon_ | not in bzflag, wanted a ref. |
| 21:00.33 | peter_bz | oh |
| 21:00.39 | damon_ | but I will remember that :) |
| 21:00.45 | Thumper_ | might be on the wiki |
| 21:01.06 | JeffM | the wiki has many things |
| 21:01.09 | damon_ | it is around somewhere, I had it years ago when I admin Jackles stuff |
| 21:01.10 | JeffM | wiki good |
| 21:01.19 | damon_ | wiki hurt not? |
| 21:01.44 | peter_bz | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Server_Permissions |
| 21:01.50 | damon_ | tnaks |
| 21:01.52 | damon_ | thanks |
| 21:02.19 | JeffM | those are just the perms |
| 21:02.49 | JeffM | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Slash_Commands |
| 21:02.57 | damon_ | cool |
| 21:03.34 | damon_ | that is what I wanted |
| 21:03.45 | damon_ | however your post JeffM is very useful |
| 21:03.54 | JeffM | all it took was a simple search of the wiki |
| 21:04.12 | damon_ | reddog just plays |
| 21:04.42 | JeffM | you've never been to the main website? |
| 21:05.03 | damon_ | I registerd once for reddog and once for cybodog, that is all I have ever done |
| 21:05.14 | damon_ | purple_cow, I have not killed you in a very long time |
| 21:05.22 | JeffM | somehow you found the link to download the game ; |
| 21:05.30 | JeffM | that is on the main web page |
| 21:05.32 | damon_ | Hey, I run linux |
| 21:05.37 | JeffM | ahh |
| 21:05.38 | damon_ | apt-get install bzflag |
| 21:05.39 | JeffM | a packager |
| 21:05.47 | JeffM | I'm sorry |
| 21:05.47 | peter_bz | perhaps he got it of another website, like the linux game tomb |
| 21:05.55 | peter_bz | oops |
| 21:05.58 | nn-main | demon or emerge -av bzflag |
| 21:06.00 | peter_bz | slow typist |
| 21:06.18 | damon_ | I am not a slow typist, take it back!! ;) |
| 21:06.26 | peter_bz | I meant I was |
| 21:07.01 | JeffM | blast007 / donny_baker woudl seting up another wiki on .bz be as simple as moving files and adding a database? |
| 21:07.50 | damon_ | funny, played bzflag for like 4 maybe 5? years, never been to the website |
| 21:08.33 | gsnedders | JeffM: you'd need to edit the wiki's config file, and run the install script |
| 21:08.49 | JeffM | dosn't sound so bad |
| 21:09.22 | gsnedders | I don't know off the top of my head if the install script if there, but I doubt it — it isn't there for other things on the server. |
| 21:09.45 | JeffM | but I'd think that all other server side setups would be done |
| 21:10.52 | CIA-46 | GPLib: 03JeffM2501 * r44 10/trunk/GPLib/ (inc/gpTexture.h core/src/gpTexture.cpp): add formating info and whitespace changes. |
| 21:13.59 | damon_ | can I play bzflag in a window AND let my mouse capture another window like irc? |
| 21:14.04 | damon_ | so far I can not |
| 21:14.23 | JeffM | IIRC there is an option to not capture the mouse |
| 21:14.32 | damon_ | ie change focus, have bzflag give up my focus |
| 21:14.49 | damon_ | in bzflag>options.input? |
| 21:14.57 | JeffM | probably |
| 21:19.00 | damon_ | wow, never searched for reddog before. Many have copied me |
| 21:19.25 | damon_ | RedDog! and RedDog tip your hat.... are me |
| 21:20.04 | damon_ | the player stats are only for currently playing players? |
| 21:20.45 | JeffM | I belive it stores them for some time |
| 21:21.23 | CIA-46 | GPLib: 03JeffM2501 * r44 10/trunk/GPLib/ (inc/gpTexture.h core/src/gpTexture.cpp): add formating info and whitespace changes. |
| 21:21.46 | JeffM | hmmm that was odd |
| 21:22.15 | JeffM | Erroneous, you arround and not too busy? |
| 21:22.28 | Erroneous | sure |
| 21:22.38 | JeffM | you have access on .bz to make me a database? |
| 21:22.56 | Erroneous | probably |
| 21:23.37 | donny_baker | JeffM: mediawiki isn't hard either... just need to set up security (again not hard, but already on for one user only in confluence) |
| 21:24.04 | JeffM | donny_baker, I'd like to have others edit it eventualy |
| 21:24.10 | JeffM | it's just not related direclty to bz |
| 21:24.13 | donny_baker | JeffM: probably a couple of rewrite rules to, but yeah, that's all you would need on .bz |
| 21:24.26 | JeffM | I'm installing one into the Opencombat site ( hosted on .bz ) |
| 21:24.36 | JeffM | just need a db |
| 21:25.48 | donny_baker | yeah, and if you remove one file it will rerun the setup wizerd for you so it can build your default config files IIRC |
| 21:26.01 | JeffM | I'm in the startup wizard now |
| 21:26.02 | donny_baker | wizard even |
| 21:26.11 | JeffM | I just untared a new thingy |
| 21:26.36 | JeffM | /mw/ in the www.opencombat.net dir |
| 21:28.56 | scott | heh |
| 21:29.00 | scott | "a monkey hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard for an infinite amount of time on this Server at www.opencombat.net Port 80" |
| 21:29.27 | JeffM | yep |
| 21:29.34 | Constitution | wonder how close he's getting to shakespeare |
| 21:30.13 | Winny | the possibility of that occuring is something like <numb letters in the book>^<numb letters> |
| 21:30.15 | JeffM | just as close as the list server is. |
| 21:32.13 | JeffM | or maybe I shold buy a server first? |
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| 21:52.19 | Erroneous | better than canning him |
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| 22:33.19 | JeffM | brlcad, can I have a database? |
| 22:34.07 | JeffM | for a wiki on the opencombat site |
| 22:34.24 | brlcad | sure, pm me dbname/username/password |
| 22:40.28 | JeffM | what perms should the config file be set to? |
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| 22:45.56 | Constitution | probably 600 or 640 |
| 22:47.01 | Winny | Constitution: ww? |
| 22:47.06 | JeffM | no |
| 22:47.08 | JeffM | that was to me |
| 22:47.09 | JeffM | :) |
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| 22:47.33 | Constitution | or if you're sigonasr2, 777 ;) |
| 22:47.39 | Winny | lol |
| 22:47.59 | JeffM | Winny, did you make the curent wiki logo? |
| 22:48.07 | Winny | the folder? |
| 22:48.12 | JeffM | ja |
| 22:48.14 | Winny | yes |
| 22:48.20 | JeffM | looks nice |
| 22:48.23 | JeffM | can you make me one? |
| 22:48.24 | JeffM | ;) |
| 22:48.28 | Winny | it's been there for like 6 months.. :p |
| 22:48.32 | JeffM | I know |
| 22:48.49 | JeffM | that is blue |
| 22:48.55 | JeffM | and says OpenCombat |
| 22:48.56 | JeffM | or OC |
| 22:48.59 | JeffM | or somethin |
| 22:49.04 | Winny | what logo? (in the folder) |
| 22:49.11 | JeffM | dunno |
| 22:49.14 | JeffM | don't realy have a logo |
| 22:49.20 | JeffM | oo I know |
| 22:49.21 | JeffM | one sec |
| 22:49.23 | JeffM | the GP tank |
| 22:50.18 | JeffM | naow |
| 22:50.30 | JeffM | how bout just the letters OC in a cool font? |
| 22:51.02 | Winny | "GP tank"? |
| 22:51.06 | Winny | oh |
| 22:51.06 | Winny | nvm |
| 22:51.17 | JeffM | the bz icon, extruded into a 3d object |
| 22:51.26 | JeffM | too BZ, so just OC |
| 22:55.44 | Winny | JeffM: here, I did the text, so here's the PSD if you wanna change anything |
| 22:55.45 | Winny | http://bzfusion.net/opencombat/OCLogo.psd |
| 22:56.22 | JeffM | cool, all I'll change is the folder color I think |
| 22:56.24 | JeffM | thank you |
| 22:56.29 | Winny | np |
| 22:56.59 | JeffM | bahh, have to wip out the laptop |
| 22:57.02 | JeffM | no PS on this machine |
| 22:57.25 | Winny | :o |
| 22:57.30 | JeffM | just elements |
| 22:57.35 | Winny | eww |
| 22:57.43 | JeffM | for work it's fine |
| 22:58.04 | Winny | the one we have at school is horrible... it has 1/2 of the features removed |
| 22:58.06 | JeffM | making icons that are text on a magenta background ;) |
| 23:00.14 | Thumper_ | nice |
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| 23:19.33 | JeffM | so when it says "set $wgLogo to the URL path to your own logo image" that means I add $wgLogo = "http://url/logo.whatever" ? |
| 23:19.42 | JeffM | to the LocalSettings.php? |
| 23:19.55 | AAA_awright | Yes |
| 23:22.46 | JeffM | wonder what size it shoudl be :) |
| 23:23.20 | Winny | 95 million pixels |
| 23:23.29 | JeffM | that's about how big it is now |
| 23:23.32 | Winny | :p |
| 23:23.35 | JeffM | and it ain't showin up |
| 23:23.49 | JeffM | but it's not showing the image |
| 23:23.50 | Winny | dunno.. what's the size of the BZWiki logo? |
| 23:24.00 | JeffM | can't get to the image to see |
| 23:24.05 | JeffM | it's some wierd table background |
| 23:24.06 | Winny | hmm |
| 23:24.39 | AAA_awright | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.40 | JeffM | hmm I think it's showing it it's just too bit |
| 23:24.57 | Winny | 128x105 |
| 23:25.05 | AAA_awright | http://my.bzflag.org/wiki/skins/common/images/BzflagLogo.png |
| 23:25.12 | JeffM | 128x105 |
| 23:25.17 | Winny | I win! |
| 23:28.51 | JeffM | hmmm still no good |
| 23:28.56 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/mw/index.php/Main_Page |
| 23:30.26 | Winny | donny_baker did the replacement on the BZwiki.. maybe there's some magic involved |
| 23:31.16 | JeffM | help me donny_baker your my only hope |
| 23:35.11 | Constitution | JeffM: perhaps compare your conf with the bzflag wiki conf? |
| 23:35.28 | JeffM | or read the docs :) |
| 23:35.44 | Erroneous | pft, docs |
| 23:36.18 | Constitution | well it's not outputting the image tag for your logo |
| 23:36.30 | JeffM | it's not suposed to be an image tag |
| 23:36.35 | JeffM | it's a background image in a table |
| 23:36.43 | JeffM | part of a style |
| 23:37.51 | JeffM | if I pull the variable I get the old logo image back |
| 23:38.05 | JeffM | the docs ( http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgLogo ) |
| 23:38.17 | JeffM | say to just add the path to the LocalSettings.ph |
| 23:40.52 | Constitution | http://www.opencombat.net/wm/skins/OCwikilogo.png The requested URL /wm/skins/OCwikilogo.png was not found on this server. |
| 23:41.01 | JeffM | yeah I just saw that |
| 23:41.04 | JeffM | it's mw not wm :) |
| 23:41.08 | JeffM | trying |
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| 23:43.31 | JeffM | yay works when you get it a good path :) |
| 23:43.38 | JeffM | thanks again all |
| 23:43.48 | JeffM | Winny, the folder looks good in blue |
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