IRC log for #bzflag on 20071210

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00:14.57wizartHi, You might know about that already, but jut for the record:
00:14.58wizartProgram received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
00:14.59wizart[Switching to Thread -1231090800 (LWP 30937)]
00:14.59wizartaudioInnerLoop () at sound.cxx:838
00:14.59wizart838         fsampleR = (1.0f - fracR) * src[nmR] + fracR * src[nmR+1];
00:14.59wizart(gdb) where
00:15.00wizart#0  audioInnerLoop () at sound.cxx:838
00:15.04wizartCannot access memory at address 0xb69f031c
00:15.43wizartthis happens on the new bzhockes server after a few minutes
00:16.59wizartAudio driver is dsp.
00:17.51wizartCould it have something to do with me deleting a few audio files ?
00:18.01Gnurduxyes, it coukd
00:19.02wizartok :)
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01:47.14Constitution~whodaman-++
02:31.57Macrosofta bit OT but cool: http://kvince83.tengun.net/maxboard/viewtopic.php?t=2573&start=0
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07:26.38CIA-2GPLib: 03JeffM2501 * r43 10/trunk/GPLib/ (6 files in 4 dirs): start texture system
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18:51.57JeffManyone ever hear of/use the e107 CMS?
18:53.42scottyet another php cms?
18:54.57JeffMit and drupall were rated rather highly
18:55.21scottno, never heard of it before
18:55.29scottbut i've heard of drupal
18:55.45scottlooks nice enough
18:57.16scott"For real-time help and friendly chat please join #e107 on the Freenode Network"
18:57.18scott:)
19:07.00JeffMWinny, who was the hosting company you went with?
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19:10.48scottJeffM: check out linode.com
19:14.00JeffMvirtual servers?
19:14.21JeffMI am looking for a real box
19:15.03scottyeah, but they are stable as fsck
19:15.11scotti've had mine for 4 years
19:15.22JeffMso are real machiens :)
19:15.27scott:)
19:15.30JeffMthe bandwith and ram for those is realy low
19:15.43scottthe transfer limit
19:15.44JeffMand the proices arn't that much better then a real machine
19:15.50JeffMyeah it's realy low
19:16.42JeffM80$ for onl7 800gigs of transfer
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19:16.51JeffMI can get a lot more for a lot less
19:18.41scottyou expect more traffic than that? :)
19:18.47JeffMyes
19:18.51scottinsane
19:20.31JeffMnot really
19:20.50blast007scott: I'm paying $74 for 1000GB of bandwidth and a real server
19:20.50JeffMlots of media transfers, backup list server probably, bzfs servers, etc...
19:21.04JeffMblast007, who's that thru?
19:21.08blast007JeffM: xlhost
19:21.37blast007their support isn't as experience as I had hoped, but I haven't had to contact them much either
19:21.45blast007that's my main complaint about it
19:21.52blast007other than that, it's been pretty good
19:22.07blast007few network issues (DDoS attacks)
19:22.12JeffMyeah they are my baseline
19:24.02scotthaha
19:24.18scottUsername:     Password:      [Reset Server]
19:24.24blast007scott: yes?
19:24.31scotti just find that funny
19:24.32blast007that's for the remote server reset
19:24.41scottk
19:24.44blast007in case a system locks up
19:24.48scottnod
19:24.55blast007I pay a little extra for that just in case
19:25.06blast007otherwise my bill would only be $69/month
19:25.11scottcan you get console access?
19:25.29blast007console access? meaning KVM-IP?
19:25.34blast007or do you mean SSH?
19:25.50scottwell, yeah kvm..
19:26.18blast007KVM is an extra $40/month
19:26.20blast007so no
19:26.24scottoof
19:26.33donny_bakerJeffM: i think winny went with sagonet
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19:27.53blast007sagonet has some specials right now too, through the 17th
19:28.03blast007"Free 100Mbps port"
19:29.05nn-mainhi all they did update my bandwith Yay!
19:29.09nn-mainDownload Speed: 23058 kbps (2882.3 KB/sec transfer rate)
19:29.10nn-mainUpload Speed: 1389 kbps (173.6 KB/sec transfer rate)
19:29.23blast007nn-main: cool
19:29.42nn-mainon http i got a max of 203KB/s!!!!!
19:31.38scottsago looks good
19:34.44blast007hmm, I get more for my money at xlhost though
19:35.32blast007I have a Celeron D 2.53GHz, 1GB RAM, 80GB drive, 10mbps port w/ 1TB/month
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19:35.49blast007at sago, they have half the RAM at a higher price
19:36.02blast007slightly slower CPU too
19:36.05scottserverpronto has dedis for $30
19:36.42nn-mainwell I give out my servers for free
19:37.02scottok, i'll take 2
19:37.04blast007nn-main: wasn't talking to you
19:37.16blast007nn-main: we were discussing some hosting providers with Jeff
19:37.52blast007scott: the $30 ones only have 200GB/month
19:38.04scottnod
19:38.15scott$8.95 to go 1000
19:38.23scottbut you have to wonder at that price...
19:38.53nn-maini gave as much as possible i have full band of ..... as long is it can be used lol :)
19:39.03blast007RAM maxes out at 512MB on the order form for the $30 one
19:39.14scottyeah
19:39.15blast007extra $75 setup fee for that
19:40.09nn-mainlol i let ahs3 install his own system and kernal in the server i gave him root access 2
19:40.30L4m3rwell that was brilliant of you, nn-main
19:43.00nn-mainlol i put in a gentoo install cd then gave him ssh to it :)
19:43.15nn-mainlol i dont expect others to do that though
19:43.42L4m3rif Jeff needed a dedicated box on a crappy connection, he could just set up a spare one at home
19:43.42nn-mainscott: i might be able to give you one ???
19:43.49scottnm
19:43.57nn-mainlol verry funy
19:44.10nn-mainim on a bisness lign
19:44.13blast007lol ok
19:44.23nn-mainline*
19:44.43blast007and soon you'll have as much upstream as a T1
19:45.10nn-mainwell if i don't switch to fiber first
19:45.44nn-maini can get 2Mbits up when its needed
19:46.20nn-mainon the line im on the onily reason it was lower is the speed test uses one mass file
19:46.39L4m3ror because the line is shared with your whole block
19:46.43nn-mainnot a tun of small connections
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19:47.16nn-mainlol well all the other people on my streem are on rcn lol
19:47.35nn-maini looked at the lines :)
19:49.55nn-mainim on comcast
19:50.26brlcadeh, comcast business lines are exceptionally expensive
19:50.45WinnyJeffM: sagonet, their cheapest
19:50.46nn-mainYes but there Relible and Really Fast
19:50.47brlcadand if it's not a business line, then you can be screwed at their discretion
19:50.49Winnybeen pretty nice so far
19:51.02L4m3rthey are not "really fast"
19:51.10blast007downstream maybe
19:51.16brlcadno more reliable than any other isp
19:51.18L4m3r2mbps upstream is pretty mediocre for serving much of anything
19:51.34brlcadespecially what they charge for it on the business lines
19:52.00L4m3rI'd buy DSL over comcast
19:52.30L4m3rmy dad is about ready to switch... his connection is horribly unreliable and he's just starting to realize how much the cable and broadband are costing him
19:53.26nn-mainwell im locked in a contract ...... sooooo .... im going to switch when i can
19:53.43blast007nn-main: how long until that contract runs out?
19:55.02nn-main? that is what i want to find out probably 1 or 2 years
19:55.05nn-mainmax
19:55.22nn-main:(
19:55.50nn-mainowell atlest there upping the band with to keep up with compition
19:55.51L4m3rserves you right...
19:57.37nn-mainwell the people i server pay nothing !!!! And i know even if i doin't have the best band in the wold. you probably couldent beet the fact that im literly giving out machienes to users for free
19:58.07Winnythe people you server?
19:58.21nn-mainahs3 has his own server with me
19:58.24L4m3rI think he meant "the people I sever"
19:58.29L4m3rit's comcast after all
19:58.38donny_bakernn-main: you are giving people individual machines or virtual hosts?
19:58.52donny_bakernor all on one box
19:58.56nn-maindepends
19:59.04nn-maini have one machiene
19:59.17nn-maingiven out
19:59.24nn-mainplanning a secount
19:59.35L4m3rit doesn't matter, really. the connection is the bottleneck
19:59.40Winnymhmm
19:59.40nn-mainfor a master hoster / mapper who wants one
19:59.51donny_bakeryeah, i was thinking about security between users :P
19:59.57blast007what security?
19:59.58Winnyyou'd probably need a 20+mbit connection to really need more then one comp
20:00.15blast007yeah, my Pentium 133 could max out his upstream
20:00.18nn-mainim also been giving out ssh but i decided i need more info on the user so im not lible
20:00.25nn-mainaddress and phone
20:00.40L4m3ryou'd still be liable. it's your connection.
20:00.58L4m3ror rather, your parents would be liable
20:01.52donny_bakerlist server problems?
20:02.01L4m3rin reality, nn, your connection would be good for one or two bzflag servers
20:02.06donny_bakernever mind
20:02.13nn-mainahs3 is helping me with that
20:02.17Winnyprobably a max of 20 players too
20:02.23L4m3ras in, 2 instances of bzfs.
20:02.26L4m3ron one box
20:02.31nn-mainy so ... im lucky if i get 10
20:02.33donny_bakeri'ld say 30 players.. thats about what I get on my T1
20:02.59donny_bakeronly takes one popular map
20:03.02nn-mainmore of a testing server
20:03.19nn-mainif they get huge i will mostlikly send them to you winny
20:03.33Winnyheh
20:03.36L4m3ranyone can run a testing server, and most people can run a simple home server with a sane player limit
20:03.43Winnymore people then my have servers
20:04.00blast007than me*
20:04.07L4m3ryou get crap because you offer to host everyone and don't put logical player limits on your games.
20:04.26nn-maino well i give what i give and people use it so im content :)
20:04.57Winnyblast007: working on math, talking on phone, and doing IRC, cut me a break :p
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20:06.06nn-mainWinny: im still banned form your servers?
20:06.11Winnyuh
20:06.14Winnyshouldn't be
20:06.18blast007idban?
20:06.27Winnythought I only did a hostban
20:06.30Winnywhich I removed
20:06.33nn-maindorny_baker
20:06.40Winnydonny_baker*
20:06.48nn-mainis the perosn who baned me
20:07.07nn-mainavertizing which im not doing any more
20:07.27donny_bakerWinny: i banned comcastbussiness
20:07.46Winnydorny_backer: I unbanned it a couple days ago
20:08.00L4m3rbacker? lol
20:09.03Winnyshould be gone now
20:09.04WinnyI think
20:09.22nn-mainthanks
20:10.41nn-mainthat plugin hack thing is that a good one ?? the one where the plugin passes players data inbetween to hosts?
20:11.09Winnyuh
20:11.20nn-mainit may be a rumer
20:11.38blast007what?
20:11.41Winnyrumour*?
20:11.43donny_bakerleethegreat's chat relay thing?
20:12.01donny_bakeronly if both servers are consenting is it a great thing
20:12.09nn-mainmaby? although i thought it did platers to?
20:12.14blast007no
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20:12.18donny_bakerwith leethegreat, they generally aren't
20:12.26Winny"platers"?
20:12.29Winnyplayers?
20:12.36blast007Winny: hard drives, keep up!
20:12.44Winnyblast007, of course!
20:13.08donny_bakernhe has been banned from 3 server networks that i know of for putting it on their servers without prmission
20:13.18donny_bakerand then not taking it down when asked
20:14.31donny_bakerand if you are talking about that forums topic... that is a dream
20:14.45donny_bakerthere is no real information in it
20:14.56donny_bakerall hypothetical
20:15.17blast007the one about server-to-server teleports?
20:15.33donny_bakeryeah... thats the one i am refering to
20:15.36blast007I don't see that ever happening
20:15.42donny_bakerme either
20:16.02blast007if anything, I'd see one server that could run multiple 'zones' in a map, and have teleporters redirect between zones
20:16.20blast007would help divide up the player updates, since you only need updates from players in your zone
20:16.33blast007and would get around the issue of a reconnection delay
20:16.44nn-mainwelllll irc accomplished it .... why can bzflag
20:16.56blast007nn-main: why haven't you written it yet?
20:17.03blast007don't have time?
20:17.14blast007neither do we
20:17.19nn-mainok
20:17.45donny_bakerbzflag is a game.. chat is secondary, especially BETWEEN servers
20:17.46nn-maini don't know enofugh yet to try .... maby in a fiew years
20:17.51blast007though I would probably enjoy trying to do something like that
20:18.04blast007(my ideal concept, not the reconnect-to-a-different-server one)
20:19.08nn-mainwell split up data in between 2 servers than have the server compress the data inbetween the two hosts
20:19.30donny_baker???
20:20.05Winnythats a crapload of lag
20:20.17nn-mainclients --> host one <---compress---> host 2 <------ clients
20:20.34nn-mainoh
20:20.35Winnywhats the point dude?
20:20.54nn-mainmy cp messed up message
20:21.01Winnyany server that you rent from a datacenter can easily support 3+ servers
20:21.21WinnyI imgaine a p4 3.0ghz with 1gb of RAM could probably run all the top servers on the list
20:21.34nn-main:(
20:21.50nn-maini feel small but keep my ground
20:21.53nn-main:-D
20:22.50blast007a Pentium II could run a good amount of players :P
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20:23.00blast007bzfs really doesn't eat up much of any CPU
20:23.03nn-maini use p3's
20:23.18nn-maincorrect bzfs dosent
20:23.36nn-mainit just uses internet band with
20:23.37blast007nn-main: I used to run a server on a Pentium 133Mhz with 48MB of RAM
20:24.00nn-mainlol i try to use 256M to 712M ram
20:24.03blast007was only 6 players though, cuz my upstream was like 200kbps
20:24.09nn-mainon my hosts
20:24.18blast007but even with all 6, it never used much CPU
20:24.49nn-mainany one want to help me test my version of badjerking _----> Testing 3 team ctf ---> userbin.net
20:24.56Winnyuh
20:25.03WinnyYou better ask badgerking if you can host his map
20:25.19Winnypeople don't take kindly to modding -- their maps without their permission.
20:25.20nn-mainpoint taken
20:25.40Winnyerr, remove the "--", I never finished my thought.
20:25.41blast007sometimes don't even take kindly to used an unmodified map
20:26.03nn-mainim just testing it for a day ??? you know how i can reach him
20:26.07nn-main?
20:26.19nn-maincontact him?
20:26.21blast007uh, the forum? yeah, maybe the forum
20:26.36nn-mainkk
20:31.13Winny~hapbir whodaman-
20:31.14ibotACTION sings a variant of Happy Birthday (to avoid royalty fees) to whodaman-
20:31.25whodaman-:D
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21:25.14JeffML4m3r, if I wanted a dedecated server on a crapy connection I'd set one up here at work ;)
21:25.44JeffMnn-main, and yes I am looking for profesional level hosting
21:26.25JeffMserver pronto dosn't look too bad, not a huge drive, but I probalby won't use more then 40 gigs
21:26.54JeffMand they do have a setup fee
21:27.34nn-mainJeffM: ?
21:27.37ruskiesuperb-servers ?
21:28.29JeffMnn-main, re: your comments on the home hosting that your doing
21:29.09WinnyJeffM: we got the cheapest deal from sagonet, but they ended up giving us a better server
21:29.21JeffMahh
21:29.36JeffMI looked at that "volume drive" thing, they seem shady
21:29.42Winnymhmm
21:29.46JeffMno mention of bandiwth
21:30.37JeffM50$ for the celly isn't bad
21:31.30JeffMtho for 19$ a month more, can get a faster system with more ram, and more IPs thru xlhost
21:31.48Winnyyou can get free IPs
21:31.57Winnyyou just need to have a reason for then
21:31.58JeffMdon't realy need IPs
21:32.05JeffMthe ram would be the big kicker
21:32.07Winnythem*
21:32.49JeffMsagonet seem nice if you don't need much cus you can get cheaper then xlhost
21:32.55JeffMthey have a cheaper minimum package
21:33.33Constitutioncheap was the primary concern for us
21:33.35JeffMas soon as you get off that baseline tho xlhost has better value
21:33.45JeffM90$ for a core2
21:33.47nn-mainhumm maby they should change the channel form #bzflag to #server-price-decussion
21:34.15JeffMthis is somewhat related to bzflag hosting ;)
21:34.24JeffMas it would host bzfs servers
21:34.33Winnyindeed
21:34.34JeffMand could posibly be a backup list server
21:34.54JeffMsince yon Erroneous/ DTRemenak  would have the roots ;)
21:35.02JeffMwould depend where they are
21:35.13JeffMI don't think we'll need THAT many list nodes
21:35.28JeffMUS, europe, asia may be good enough
21:35.47JeffMWinny, do you know where they are?
21:35.57Winnysagonet?
21:36.01JeffMyes
21:36.05WinnyThey're in Miami and Atlanta, IIRC
21:36.11JeffMk
21:36.18JeffMsimilar to where the current server is
21:36.36Winnyisn't the current listserver hosted on sagonet as well..?
21:36.45Constitution~dns bz.bzflag.bz
21:36.46JeffMdunno
21:36.51WinnyI thought yep
21:36.51Constitution~dns server1.fairserve.net
21:36.55Winnysaognet
21:36.57JeffMahh
21:37.11nn-main~dns bzfmaps.net
21:37.29Winny~dns 74.94.43.197
21:37.34nn-main?
21:37.54nn-mainlol do i have to call them to fix that
21:38.00Winnyuh
21:38.00JeffMthe ISP
21:38.01Winnyfix what?
21:38.08Constitutiondoubt they'll change that for you
21:38.12JeffMyeah
21:38.12nn-mainthat reverse resolve
21:38.12Constitutiondo you even have a static IP?
21:38.19nn-mainyep
21:38.21nn-mainthats it
21:38.23JeffMwho's your dns?
21:38.26nn-mainor one of them
21:38.35nn-mainregestar.com
21:38.38JeffMthat'd be why
21:38.50nn-mainwhy?
21:38.50JeffMyou need them to change the DNS at the ISP
21:38.57JeffMcus that's the way it works
21:39.03nn-mainoh !!!!!
21:39.06nn-mainok
21:39.22JeffMhavent' read up on DNS in your studies yet?
21:39.31nn-mainlol nope
21:39.43nn-maindns is really complicated
21:39.46JeffMthat should probably be one of your first topics
21:39.48JeffMnot really
21:40.25nn-maini have loked into running one but not how multiple hosts work passing dns data
21:40.36JeffMit's a system not just one server
21:41.00nn-mainy i know that lol
21:41.02JeffMreverse DNS can't go to your dns server, because it dosn't know what DNS server resolves for that IP
21:41.17nn-mainok
21:41.37JeffMwith all the money your sinking into this I'd think you take the education a bit more seriously.
21:42.28nn-mainAreally anoing that the bzflag client isnt 2 player split screen compatible like arm agerton
21:42.34nn-mainarmagetron*
21:43.02JeffMummm ok
21:43.11JeffMit's a network game
21:43.14JeffMalways has been
21:43.21JeffMnot a single player game
21:44.09nn-maini want to play agenst my brother on the same cp because all the other cps dont have a good graphics card. we have to joysticks the problem is bzflag dosent support 2 player
21:44.25JeffMbzflag can not do all things that all people want
21:44.30JeffMit is not that type of game
21:44.37Winnydude, can you please type properly? even "comp" is better then "cp" ...
21:45.27nn-mainok sory
21:46.03donny_bakersorry*
21:46.52JeffMyour statement is sort of like you saying that your annoyed that your car dosn't drive more like a motorcycle.
21:50.49A_Heart_AttackDoes anyone know how to run an irc bot on windows using smartIRC?
21:51.33WinnyA_Heart_Attack: surely the smartIRC has some docs on it?
21:52.00A_Heart_AttackYes. I have made the bot, but im not entirely sure how to run it
21:55.48donny_bakerA_Heart_Attack: how about asking in #smartirc?
21:56.06A_Heart_AttackThat would make sense. :)
21:56.10donny_baker:)
21:56.11Winnyheh
22:01.06Tuponenn-main: have you tried running 2 instances of bzflag windowed, with energy saving? on?
22:01.55Tuponewell, I imagine that config.cfg need a lot of tweak
22:02.12Tuponemaybe with 2 users if it is linux
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22:02.27Tuponehmm very hard
22:02.44Tupone:)
22:02.50Tuponeforget it
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