| 00:00.08 | ahs3- | 6 rogue, and thats all, im using RogueGeno plugin |
| 00:00.21 | delusional_ | ptogressive flag plugin operates exactly the same |
| 00:01.07 | ahs3- | yea, this doesnt have the progflag plugin |
| 00:01.49 | Winny | I bet you probably need to have at least two red/green/etc players for geno to place |
| 00:02.18 | ahs3- | ok, i'll give it a try, thanks |
| 00:04.28 | ahs3- | Your right Winny, now geno will place |
| 00:05.15 | Winny | \o/ guessing |
| 00:05.34 | ahs3- | Thanks |
| 00:12.05 | JeffM | yeah the geno plugin dosnt' change the basiic geno flag |
| 00:12.12 | JeffM | it actualy just checks for the hit |
| 00:12.19 | ahs3- | oh, ok |
| 00:12.27 | JeffM | what you need is a plug-in that turns useless into geno |
| 00:12.41 | JeffM | rogue geno is in ADDDITION to regular geno |
| 00:12.48 | JeffM | you don't have regular geno so you don't get the flag |
| 00:13.39 | JeffM | useless geno would not be hard to do |
| 00:14.05 | ahs3- | ok, cool |
| 00:15.24 | JeffM | please note that the stamtent is not a promise or contract for JeffM, the JeffM Corp. or the friends of JeffM to make said plugin |
| 00:15.31 | JeffM | Erroneous, all we got till 3.0 |
| 00:15.37 | ahs3- | lol, i understand |
| 00:15.48 | Erroneous | heh :) |
| 00:15.51 | Erroneous | true |
| 00:15.58 | Erroneous | if that's what we're calling it now |
| 00:16.06 | donny_baker | Erroneous: i never knew there were that many defined exceptions to i before e :P |
| 00:16.06 | JeffM | brlcad, so tag it 2.9.0? |
| 00:16.27 | Erroneous | donny_baker: it's fun, huh? :) |
| 00:16.33 | donny_baker | yep |
| 00:16.46 | Erroneous | in english, rules are not so much rules as "loose guidelines" :) |
| 00:17.52 | Erroneous | heh |
| 00:19.44 | spldart | heh_squared |
| 00:20.15 | Winny | heh_x^y |
| 00:20.47 | spldart | One up-man-ship @ it's best |
| 00:21.03 | JeffM | y = -2 |
| 00:21.08 | spldart | Oh... E+99 |
| 00:21.18 | spldart | Ala TI calc |
| 00:21.41 | Winny | JeffM: no, y = [x^2 + 95x] [x^2] |
| 00:21.58 | Winny | that way my number of heh's wins/ |
| 00:22.51 | JeffM | x = -1 |
| 00:23.07 | spldart | Uhm..... to infinty and beyond??!!? |
| 00:27.51 | CIA-MIA | GPLib: 03JeffM2501 * r34 10/trunk/GPLib/ (build/vc71/GPCore.vcproj inc/gpFile.h): readme and resources don't exist so remove them from the project. |
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| 00:37.57 | JeffM | probably should also test VC 9 EE someday |
| 00:43.53 | Winny | JeffM: is the AUP for serverlist up yet? |
| 00:44.03 | JeffM | the public usage pollicy? |
| 00:44.04 | JeffM | yes |
| 00:44.22 | Winny | on the wiki only, I assume? |
| 00:44.30 | JeffM | no |
| 00:44.36 | Winny | hm |
| 00:44.58 | JeffM | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11788 |
| 00:45.26 | Winny | ah. for some reason it wasn't highlighted as new |
| 00:46.13 | JeffM | because it's an older post |
| 00:46.16 | JeffM | it was just hidden from you |
| 00:47.08 | JeffM | if we start each post with !winny it hides it from you |
| 00:47.15 | JeffM | special mod that blast007 whiped up for us |
| 00:48.16 | JeffM | then i'm doing my job pefectly ;) |
| 00:50.39 | JeffM | hmm wonder if the VS 2008EE ISO has the platform SDKs too |
| 00:52.16 | JeffM | oh I think I need to get the "dark GDK" just to see what THAT is ;) |
| 00:54.37 | Erroneous | "dark gdk"? |
| 00:54.45 | JeffM | remember dark basic? |
| 00:54.49 | JeffM | "game engine" |
| 00:54.50 | Erroneous | nope |
| 00:54.55 | JeffM | and programinglanguage ALL IN ONE! |
| 00:54.59 | Erroneous | heh |
| 00:55.03 | JeffM | seems they did C++ bindings for it |
| 00:55.16 | JeffM | slap it together with VC9EE, and bam, instant bad gamese |
| 00:55.16 | Erroneous | wow |
| 00:55.26 | JeffM | http://www.microsoft.com/express/samples/gamecreators/default.aspx |
| 00:55.27 | spldart | woah |
| 00:59.38 | JeffM | ibot LOLGAMEZ is http://www.microsoft.com/express/samples/gamecreators/default.aspx |
| 00:59.39 | ibot | JeffM: okay |
| 00:59.48 | JeffM | there now we can use that for the kiddies |
| 00:59.49 | Constitution | lol |
| 01:00.10 | JeffM | actualy |
| 01:00.16 | Winny | JeffM: can I make a official AOL speak language thing for BZ? |
| 01:00.17 | JeffM | ibot forget LOLGAMEZ |
| 01:00.17 | ibot | i forgot lolgamez, JeffM |
| 01:00.27 | JeffM | ibot LOLGAMEDEV is http://www.microsoft.com/express/samples/gamecreators/default.aspx |
| 01:00.28 | ibot | JeffM: okay |
| 01:00.34 | Winny | not leet speak, AOL :p |
| 01:00.36 | JeffM | no, you can't Winny |
| 01:00.52 | Winny | aww, but it might draw more play... nvm. |
| 01:00.54 | JeffM | the gods will smite you in your place if you do |
| 01:01.15 | Winny | hmm |
| 01:01.29 | JeffM | with a great smiting |
| 01:05.49 | JeffM | hah, they even have a little baby MSDN lib for 2008 |
| 01:06.03 | sigonasr2 | JeffM: Awhile ago, I requested TWILIGHT.OTHER, and now that there's a new topic in replace of it, I don't know who made it so I can't contact them to change the moderator from "twilight" to "twilight_account". Can you do anything about it? |
| 01:06.11 | bryjen | my buffers runneth over :( |
| 01:06.17 | JeffM | sigonasr2, just post again |
| 01:06.21 | sigonasr2 | ok |
| 01:07.12 | JeffM | any admin can change groups |
| 01:07.12 | JeffM | bryjen, in trunk? |
| 01:07.13 | bryjen | Erroneous: did you see the backtrace i pasted last night? |
| 01:07.19 | bryjen | JeffM: yeah |
| 01:07.36 | bryjen | segfault in std::string::substr from MessageOfTheDay::finalization |
| 01:07.59 | JeffM | what str is bad? |
| 01:08.33 | Erroneous | bryjen: motd today is completely different than yesterday :) |
| 01:08.40 | Erroneous | still doing it for you? |
| 01:08.50 | bryjen | looks like the motd "Welcome to BZFlag \nPosted by BZFlag Developers"... |
| 01:09.08 | bryjen | yes, i up'ed just a minute ago |
| 01:09.18 | Erroneous | got a backtrace? |
| 01:09.30 | Erroneous | uhh, that's what you asked me about huh :) |
| 01:09.36 | bryjen | ~bzpastebin |
| 01:09.36 | ibot | somebody said bzpastebin was http://pastebin.bzflag.bz a place to put large chunks of text to not flood a channel |
| 01:09.56 | bryjen | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m7cc06ce1 |
| 01:09.58 | JeffM | sigonasr2, basicly you need to post the group request from the account that is to be the master, so that we ensure that you own it, I'll go fix it now for you but remember that in the future |
| 01:10.18 | Erroneous | line # is still the same? |
| 01:10.40 | bryjen | 94 now |
| 01:10.45 | Erroneous | k |
| 01:10.57 | sigonasr2 | JeffM: OK, thank you JeffM |
| 01:11.06 | JeffM | and dude, keep your groups hidden |
| 01:11.12 | JeffM | anyone can join an open group |
| 01:11.21 | Winny | ;) |
| 01:11.24 | JeffM | it's fixed now |
| 01:11.27 | Winny | :( |
| 01:12.05 | Erroneous | what's msg[0].title there? |
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| 01:13.17 | Erroneous | err messages[0].title |
| 01:13.23 | Erroneous | great variable names in that there function |
| 01:13.50 | Erroneous | msg, messages, msgs, line and lines |
| 01:14.39 | bryjen | if i'm doing it right, it may be invalid... print messages[0].title ? |
| 01:15.19 | JeffM | is title a std::string? |
| 01:15.25 | JeffM | or a char*? |
| 01:15.31 | Erroneous | std::string |
| 01:15.31 | bryjen | (gdb) print messages[0].title |
| 01:15.31 | bryjen | $1 = {static npos = 4294967295, |
| 01:15.31 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:15.31 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:15.40 | Erroneous | m, nifty |
| 01:15.58 | JeffM | oooo no es allocated |
| 01:16.01 | Erroneous | npos -1 means no string |
| 01:16.37 | Erroneous | print messages[0]. is any of it valid? |
| 01:16.37 | spldart | ~ibot... join #bzchat |
| 01:23.46 | bryjen | nope |
| 01:26.14 | JeffM | oh joy, VC9 EE comes with the platform SDK this time |
| 01:27.02 | Erroneous | good |
| 01:27.32 | JeffM | well I should say, the downloader checks for it and will get it |
| 01:27.38 | JeffM | it skiped it for me |
| 01:27.43 | JeffM | cus I have it with VC8 |
| 01:28.25 | JeffM | but yes good |
| 01:28.38 | JeffM | and they have a link to the directX SDK right on the games page, so that should help as well |
| 01:29.03 | JeffM | tho wonder if it has a basic DX SDK like old VC had, and if they upgraded that past 3 |
| 01:29.18 | JeffM | didn't VC7.1 include DX5? |
| 01:40.26 | JeffM | what is the SLL port for HHPS? |
| 01:40.28 | JeffM | HTTPS? |
| 01:40.31 | JeffM | 223? |
| 01:40.33 | JeffM | 221? |
| 01:40.44 | bryjen | 443 |
| 01:40.48 | JeffM | that's it |
| 01:40.49 | JeffM | thanks |
| 01:41.01 | JeffM | updating the valid URLS for the list server on the wiki |
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| 01:50.22 | Winny | oh god |
| 01:50.27 | spldart | Right |
| 01:50.33 | spldart | Janeway really saved that one |
| 01:50.38 | spldart | :-x |
| 01:52.02 | spldart | Just leave out the pr0n /dir |
| 01:52.10 | Winny | heh |
| 01:52.16 | spldart | Sry... 'i'm out of hand... |
| 01:52.50 | Winny | run away while you can :p |
| 01:54.05 | neutronix7 | ack |
| 01:59.40 | Erroneous | spldart: which janeway? |
| 02:05.17 | Winny | hehe |
| 02:06.19 | spldart | Cap'n crunch Katherine Janeway |
| 02:06.55 | spldart | Was tinkering with cruise.master map |
| 02:06.57 | Erroneous | I mean, which one...there were two of them that episode, right? :) |
| 02:07.40 | spldart | Dude... your talking to someone who has all 7 seasons and has watched each season/ each episode at least 5 times |
| 02:07.52 | spldart | I hate temporal mechanics |
| 02:07.58 | Erroneous | heh |
| 02:08.37 | spldart | ... I need some CTF... brb |
| 02:08.40 | Erroneous | that's not even voyager iirc :P |
| 02:08.46 | Erroneous | o'brien |
| 02:08.54 | spldart | no ... it's DS9 IIRC |
| 02:08.57 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 02:09.05 | spldart | Chief O'brian |
| 02:09.13 | spldart | yeah |
| 02:10.33 | spldart | Now some DS9 episodes I've only seen 4 times... General Martough is my fav... >sp |
| 02:11.21 | Erroneous | martok |
| 02:11.49 | spldart | ... and the Rotaren... his bird? |
| 02:12.00 | Erroneous | later chancellor |
| 02:12.02 | spldart | In the domion mini arc |
| 02:12.10 | spldart | .. eh.. dominion |
| 02:12.10 | Erroneous | sounds right |
| 02:12.16 | JeffM | can someone proofread this? |
| 02:12.17 | JeffM | http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_Forums |
| 02:12.18 | spldart | ... I'm drunk.. sry |
| 02:12.19 | Erroneous | though I don't know how to spell that |
| 02:12.28 | Erroneous | and Lady Sirella |
| 02:12.38 | spldart | and on it |
| 02:12.45 | spldart | and his beloved old targ |
| 02:13.58 | spldart | My drunk butt cannot find a mis-spell |
| 02:14.04 | spldart | what? |
| 02:14.06 | JeffM | yeah I figured that'd be a common one |
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| 02:14.15 | Erroneous | and a frequenly |
| 02:14.34 | Erroneous | looks pretty good otherwise |
| 02:14.41 | spldart | :squint: |
| 02:15.05 | JeffM | not sure if the category name is good |
| 02:15.46 | Erroneous | works for me |
| 02:15.46 | JeffM | I also added a section on outages to the list server page :) |
| 02:16.51 | spldart | I only found two fourm 's... :squint: |
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| 02:24.22 | bryjen | if i set a breakpoint on line 93 and print messages[0] there, it's valid |
| 02:25.35 | bryjen | or is it: |
| 02:25.37 | bryjen | (gdb) print messages[0].title |
| 02:25.37 | bryjen | $18 = {static npos = 4294967295, |
| 02:25.37 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.37 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:18.05 | JeffM | bryjen, he didn't see that, we were talking, so when he gets home you may want to send that to him again |
| 03:18.23 | bryjen | ok |
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| 03:47.54 | Winny | is anything being done with BZWB? |
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| 04:44.48 | JeffM | ok, mass effect == PURDY!!! |
| 04:46.04 | brlcad | Winny: are you doing anything with BZWB? |
| 05:00.24 | brlcad | JeffM: gut feeling is it should be written down with at least three that have commited in the last month to nod to it before tagging anything (not that we'd need to tag that one as it's just "head" or change the rev # even, 2.1 can be the dev line that turns into 3.0) |
| 05:03.15 | JeffM | I know 3 that are ok with it ;) |
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| 05:36.01 | brlcad | hm, it's actually pretty tricky to intuitively, automatically, and consistently describe this.. at least while keeping in mind what happens to the files in svn |
| 05:40.22 | brlcad | JeffM | DTRemenak | whateverdevthatcares: so given we'd want the major # to represent compatibility, would you rather have current head sources reflect some 2.[odd] revision that bumps up to 3.0 when we finally release or have it be 3.0.0 already and just stay on the .0 patch until it finally posts (as either 3.0.0 or 3.0.1) |
| 05:40.58 | brlcad | the problems really stem from not being able to do the odd/even trick on the major number too, 3 would be current, and that'd get released as 4, but that seems excessive/unnecessary to me |
| 05:40.59 | JeffM | odd then 3 |
| 05:41.24 | JeffM | making the major be the proto is nice too |
| 05:41.36 | JeffM | we can then say "that's bzflag3 protcoll" |
| 05:42.35 | brlcad | what that'll mean then, thinking way down the road, is if we have another situation like now where we end up with some 3.8, for example, and then we break proto on 3.9 (intending for it to be 4.0) .. it becomes complicated to do a 3.10 |
| 05:42.50 | JeffM | 3.99 |
| 05:43.38 | JeffM | 3.99 -> 4.0.0 |
| 05:43.38 | ShadowSpectre | so you're saying that BZ 2.10 is really BZ3 beta? |
| 05:43.44 | brlcad | ShadowSpectre: there is no 2.10 |
| 05:43.50 | JeffM | I'd call 2.1, 2.99.0 |
| 05:43.57 | JeffM | then take it to 3.0.0 on release |
| 05:44.15 | ShadowSpectre | confusing.. what did they just release two days ago then? |
| 05:44.19 | JeffM | with 3.0.1 3.0.2 as screwup updates |
| 05:44.26 | JeffM | and maint as 3.2.0 |
| 05:44.33 | brlcad | ShadowSpectre: you're just messing up the minor revision .. they're independent numbers |
| 05:44.35 | JeffM | ShadowSpectre: 2.0.10 |
| 05:44.41 | JeffM | and they is us ;) |
| 05:44.54 | JeffM | we are discussing changing how we do versions |
| 05:45.07 | JeffM | so what we talk about here, is not the past |
| 05:45.08 | ShadowSpectre | whoopsie. very late for me and no caffeine this afternoon |
| 05:45.42 | brlcad | JeffM: so then "alpha" and "beta" revs of 3.0 would be 2.99.somenumber, like 2.99.2 and 2.99.7 (meaning simply the 7th time we posted a 2.99) |
| 05:45.53 | JeffM | yes |
| 05:46.25 | JeffM | that gives us room for updates and pre-releases etc.. |
| 05:46.29 | brlcad | so if we did usual releases, 0 would be "pre-release", 1 would be alpha, 2 maybe beta, and everything after some form of a RC# |
| 05:46.40 | JeffM | ? |
| 05:46.48 | brlcad | could inject a few revs inbetween |
| 05:46.50 | JeffM | Id' just use those as human labels not tied to the versioning |
| 05:47.23 | brlcad | i don't mean tied to those specific numbers |
| 05:47.49 | brlcad | I mean just conceptually, by the time we had a 2.99.13 for example.. that'd probably be in the beta or RC stage more than likely |
| 05:47.56 | JeffM | yes |
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| 05:48.06 | JeffM | then we are on same page |
| 05:48.23 | brlcad | just want all of the version numbers to actually "mean" something, otherwise we could drop the digit |
| 05:48.32 | JeffM | yes |
| 05:48.53 | JeffM | for full releases it means the number of times we've updated that version |
| 05:48.56 | brlcad | what that would imply is that the odd/even dev/non-dev would only need to apply to the minor digit |
| 05:49.03 | brlcad | not major and not patch |
| 05:49.12 | JeffM | yes |
| 05:49.19 | JeffM | gives us much more room |
| 05:49.35 | brlcad | okay, sounds good to me |
| 05:49.42 | brlcad | we're on the same page I think |
| 05:51.50 | JeffM | indeed |
| 05:52.13 | JeffM | mostly I realy like being able to say "bzflag 3" compatable, etc.. |
| 05:53.03 | JeffM | so :) |
| 05:53.43 | brlcad | just tempting the prediction's fate :) |
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| 06:34.07 | brlcad | done writing it up: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Versions |
| 06:34.46 | brlcad | wow, that took an hour and a half |
| 06:35.24 | Constitution | ~brlcad++ |
| 06:35.45 | Constitution | ~karma brlcad |
| 06:35.45 | ibot | brlcad has karma of 1 |
| 06:36.44 | brlcad | my karma is constant |
| 06:47.42 | L4m3r | ~not_brlcad++ |
| 06:47.50 | L4m3r | ~karma not_brlcad |
| 06:47.50 | ibot | not_brlcad has karma of 1 |
| 06:48.02 | L4m3r | let's make that a convention :P |
| 06:49.52 | brlcad | ~karma learner |
| 06:49.52 | ibot | learner has karma of 91 |
| 06:50.33 | brlcad | ~learner++ |
| 06:51.48 | L4m3r | that works too |
| 06:51.55 | L4m3r | ~learner++ |
| 06:53.39 | JeffM | looks good to me |
| 06:53.51 | JeffM | bump it ;) |
| 06:59.06 | L4m3r | "For brevity, releases since 2.0 can generally be referred to only using the MAJOR.MINOR revision, leaving the PATCH version number off for brevity." |
| 06:59.08 | L4m3r | :P |
| 07:00.41 | JeffM | http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_3.0 |
| 07:00.43 | JeffM | ;) |
| 07:03.27 | L4m3r | :o |
| 07:07.02 | brlcad | L4m3r: it's a .. wiki .. have at it ;) |
| 07:07.20 | L4m3r | :P |
| 07:08.39 | CIA-MIA | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16239 10/trunk/bzflag/ (include/version.h src/date/buildDate.cxx): |
| 07:08.39 | CIA-MIA | BZFlag: change to 2.99.01 for the big three point oh |
| 07:08.39 | CIA-MIA | BZFlag: see http://my.bzflag.org/w/Versions for more info |
| 07:09.57 | JeffM | now we can split the blame |
| 07:10.03 | JeffM | you wrote it up, I did it ;) |
| 07:10.03 | brlcad | the rev should just be 0 .. |
| 07:10.19 | JeffM | l |
| 07:10.23 | brlcad | yeah, I was gonna say wait, but oh well :) |
| 07:10.48 | CIA-MIA | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r16240 10/trunk/web/submitimages/ (templates/upload.tpl upload.php): |
| 07:10.48 | CIA-MIA | BZFlag: Use a shorter variable name in the upload template. |
| 07:10.48 | CIA-MIA | BZFlag: Quell some warnings about indexes. |
| 07:11.19 | CIA-MIA | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16241 10/trunk/bzflag/src/date/buildDate.cxx: 2.99.0 not .01 since it's you know new |
| 07:12.13 | L4m3r | ...so this isn't some kind of joke? 2.1 -> 2.99? |
| 07:12.41 | brlcad | nope |
| 07:13.09 | JeffM | we are out of room |
| 07:13.26 | JeffM | we had no way to diferentate the 2.0.9's |
| 07:13.43 | JeffM | and it makes sense to have the major be the proto |
| 07:13.51 | JeffM | so all 3.0's are compatable |
| 07:13.57 | JeffM | all 2.0's are compatable, etc.. |
| 07:14.23 | L4m3r | I guess given the timeline, nothing will look rushed anyway :P |
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| 07:19.16 | brlcad | rushed? |
| 07:19.38 | JeffM | it's more about making the numbers mean something, not timeframe |
| 07:19.45 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 07:19.47 | JeffM | if we had a major every year I'd be ok |
| 07:19.58 | JeffM | so what if we ended up at bzflag v 15.5.2 |
| 07:20.02 | JeffM | yay for dev :) |
| 07:20.06 | L4m3r | heh |
| 07:20.09 | brlcad | yup |
| 07:20.21 | JeffM | ok, nothing links to BZFlag_2.2 in the wiki, but I can't delete the redirector |
| 07:23.54 | JeffM | http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_2.2 |
| 07:38.39 | brlcad | looks good |
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| 07:50.46 | JeffM | now what would be awesome, would be to pretend like it'salways been 3.0 :) |
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| 08:01.51 | CIA-MIA | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16242 10/trunk/bzflag/data/title.png: new logo image for new version (with temp version number, until it's added in GL ) |
| 08:18.30 | JeffM | thems some errors :) |
| 08:31.21 | CIA-MIA | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16243 10/trunk/bzflag/ (28 files in 4 dirs): Project files for Visual C++ 2008 support (VC9.0) |
| 08:32.45 | CIA-MIA | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16244 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/VC9/config.h: VC9 not 8 |
| 08:33.51 | JeffM | I figure if MS is going to keep giving out compilers, we should support em :) |
| 08:37.18 | L4m3r | not that I develop under windows anyway :P |
| 08:43.38 | JeffM | so far no real big errors, just gotta turn off glew and curses buy default |
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| 12:20.05 | RatOmeter | Am I the only person having trouble resolving bzflag.org (DNS)? |
| 12:20.34 | Leolik | how to make a server for multiplayer in bzflag? |
| 12:21.12 | RatOmeter | I would point you to the wiki page, but I can't resolve bzflag.org's IP address :( |
| 12:22.10 | brad | it works for me |
| 12:22.30 | RatOmeter | can you gimme an IP address, brad? |
| 12:22.58 | brad | you probably want my.bzflag.org if you want the wiki |
| 12:23.09 | brad | http://my.bzflag.org/w/ |
| 12:23.19 | brad | 66.111.56.50 |
| 12:24.31 | RatOmeter | tanks |
| 12:25.39 | RatOmeter | meh, DNS is working for me now. |
| 12:25.48 | RatOmeter | Leolik, I think you want to look here: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Creating_A_Server |
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| 13:25.57 | ibot | theredbaron <n=Kalen@c-68-35-238-65.hsd1.fl.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #kierra, 20h 1m 52s ago, saying: '~menotume++'. |
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| 15:28.34 | Macrosoft | what is geo bolt? |
| 15:38.34 | Macrosoft | oh, nvm |
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| 16:16.26 | JeffM | gack.. morning hurt brain |
| 16:17.03 | gsnedders | ] |
| 16:17.06 | gsnedders | ack |
| 16:17.10 | ruskie | :) |
| 16:23.01 | JeffM | Time to get trunk to build on VC 2008 |
| 16:24.45 | JeffM | donny_baker even tho this isn't your real name, you still arround? |
| 16:43.47 | JeffM | brlcad, you know if nix/mac has _strdup instead of strdup? |
| 16:53.06 | donny_baker | JeffM: yep |
| 16:57.01 | DTRemenak | JeffM: no, they do not |
| 16:57.30 | DTRemenak | which probably means you need a config.h and configure setup for them, just like _stricmp and so on |
| 17:05.27 | JeffM | it's just a warning |
| 17:05.47 | JeffM | donny_baker, does the search on the wiki just suck or is it me? |
| 17:07.25 | JeffM | DTRemenak, the compiler says that it's ISO C++ standard, does that mean that a VC is more standards compliant?!?! |
| 17:07.25 | JeffM | donny_baker, I'm trying to find any pages with the text 2.2 or 2.1.x |
| 17:07.25 | JeffM | and it says none do, but I know at least one page does |
| 17:08.33 | donny_baker | yeah, it can suck |
| 17:08.42 | JeffM | is there any other way to search? |
| 17:08.48 | donny_baker | i think it is the '.' that may throw it |
| 17:08.53 | donny_baker | let me see |
| 17:09.03 | JeffM | can I do wildcards? |
| 17:09.05 | JeffM | 2*2? |
| 17:10.01 | JeffM | ok, I searched for the word '2' and it said nothing found :( |
| 17:10.11 | donny_baker | you can only wildcard at the begining or end of a term :/ |
| 17:10.35 | JeffM | oh well |
| 17:10.49 | JeffM | we'll just have to change em as we see em then :( |
| 17:10.51 | donny_baker | yeah, im looking for a way to get it |
| 17:11.25 | donny_baker | http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_User's_Guide:_Searching_for_pages |
| 17:12.28 | donny_baker | ah.. that references a better search engine |
| 17:12.33 | JeffM | that page basicly tells me "wiki search sucks" |
| 17:12.37 | tannerld | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.52 | JeffM | heh |
| 17:12.52 | donny_baker | yeah.. I would agree |
| 17:13.08 | JeffM | I can't use google cus I don't think we've been walked and I've already gone and done most of the replacements |
| 17:13.40 | DTRemenak | JeffM: strdup is the posix function name. different standard :) |
| 17:13.52 | JeffM | ahh |
| 17:14.03 | donny_baker | we have been walked by google, google search on creating a bzflag server points to the wiki |
| 17:14.26 | JeffM | donny_baker, yeah I know we HAVE, but I doubt we got walked while I slept last night ;) |
| 17:14.40 | donny_baker | oh, yeah probably not |
| 17:14.40 | JeffM | so I don't think google will be current |
| 17:15.40 | JeffM | I did the majority of the work I needed last ngiht, i.e. moved the page in question, changed all the places that linked to the old page, but I wanted to find what was left that had the term not as a link but just as normal text |
| 17:15.49 | DTRemenak | ISO did ratify a set of changes recently for that, which is why I was suggesting we should check for it in configure. looks like very recent gccs do support it. |
| 17:15.58 | donny_baker | wow, you guys have been busy out there (on the wiki) :) |
| 17:16.14 | JeffM | DTRemenak, nice that they are keeping up then |
| 17:16.29 | JeffM | I've got it building on VC9, it just still has those warnings |
| 17:16.49 | DTRemenak | but gcc isn't going to desupport strdup anytime soon, and I doubt that, say, MIPSpro will ever be updated for _strdup |
| 17:17.03 | JeffM | ok, so yeah we'd have to do a configure thing |
| 17:18.05 | JeffM | donny_baker, mostly cus of the list policy and the version change. |
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| 17:21.06 | blast007 | JeffM: the only wiki pages that I can find listing 2.2 so far are the "BZFlag_Version_Numbers" and "Bzfscron" pages |
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| 17:21.25 | blast007 | neither of which links to the BZFlag_2.2 page |
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| 17:22.56 | JeffM | ahh chron |
| 17:24.05 | JeffM | yeah I got all the links, I just want to fix the conent |
| 17:24.05 | JeffM | of the pages that didn't linlk |
| 17:24.50 | blast007 | and there are some pages that still refer to 2.1.x, if that matters |
| 17:24.58 | JeffM | yeah tha'ts what I want to find |
| 17:25.17 | JeffM | I think we can delte BZFlag_Version_Numbers |
| 17:25.32 | blast007 | the "Versions" page gives examples of version numbers, one being 2.1.x |
| 17:26.17 | JeffM | nothing links to it, and it's all been said in versions |
| 17:26.19 | JeffM | it does? |
| 17:26.20 | JeffM | where? |
| 17:26.37 | JeffM | e.g., 2.10 is not the same as 2.1.0 nor 2.0.10) ? |
| 17:26.39 | JeffM | that part? |
| 17:27.02 | blast007 | yeah |
| 17:27.09 | JeffM | that's just an exampl;e |
| 17:27.11 | donny_baker | found a mediawiki extension that uses SpkinxSearch that seems better... I'll give this a shot |
| 17:27.16 | JeffM | but I'll change it to 1.x.x |
| 17:27.18 | blast007 | donny_baker: ok |
| 17:29.09 | blast007 | more pages refering to 2.1.x: "Material", "Event(API)", "Bz setPlayerShotType", "Bz moveFlag", "Customization" |
| 17:29.32 | blast007 | the ChangeLog itself has some stuff that was backported from 2.1 and referenced as such, and that is listed on the 2.0.10 page in the wiki |
| 17:32.39 | JeffM | what the heck is the customisation page anway |
| 17:32.51 | JeffM | that so does not conform to the article standards |
| 17:32.54 | JeffM | in any way |
| 17:33.36 | JeffM | and it's what, the same info thats in the man pages? |
| 17:34.54 | blast007 | yeah, that page is lame |
| 17:35.18 | blast007 | it's not really customization at all... it's just different graphics/effect options... |
| 17:37.25 | blast007 | pooof |
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| 17:43.48 | randomparticle | does bzflag's gamma setting write to a card's LUT? |
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| 17:44.31 | JeffM | probably depends on the GL implemenation |
| 17:44.59 | randomparticle | i see. is brightness often adjusted that way? |
| 17:45.23 | JeffM | not sure how to answer that |
| 17:45.26 | randomparticle | i've heard of gamma correction to restore linearity |
| 17:45.43 | JeffM | the question would be with regards to how other softwares do it |
| 17:45.49 | randomparticle | i see |
| 17:45.52 | JeffM | and that could only realy be answered by other softwares |
| 17:46.18 | randomparticle | what are the multipliers? |
| 17:46.52 | JeffM | where are you talking about? |
| 17:47.03 | JeffM | remember we don't know 100% of the code off the top of our heads |
| 17:47.07 | JeffM | and we can't read your mind |
| 17:47.09 | randomparticle | i think there's a lookup table |
| 17:47.13 | randomparticle | in bzflag |
| 17:47.14 | JeffM | each platform does it's own gamma system |
| 17:47.18 | JeffM | yeah no duh! |
| 17:47.31 | randomparticle | was wondering what went in it |
| 17:47.32 | JeffM | where in bzflag genius |
| 17:48.24 | randomparticle | i don't know einstein! if i knew, i'd probably already know the implementation and wouldn't be asking you about this :) |
| 17:48.46 | JeffM | are you talking about the setGamma section for the BZWindow |
| 17:49.01 | randomparticle | i've heard this second-hand |
| 17:49.02 | JeffM | or something specific to your platform/SDL? |
| 17:49.03 | Erroneous | gamma correction is done in libplatform, so it differs for each target platform |
| 17:49.15 | randomparticle | ok |
| 17:49.16 | Erroneous | SDL platforms use SDL's gamma correction code |
| 17:49.22 | JeffM | windows uses windows |
| 17:49.38 | JeffM | there is a base inteface were we get a single float for the gamma |
| 17:49.42 | JeffM | then convert that |
| 17:49.45 | Erroneous | windows uses a lookup table applied to windows' gamma curve |
| 17:49.47 | Erroneous | iirc |
| 17:49.49 | JeffM | on windows it gets turned into color ramps |
| 17:49.54 | JeffM | yes, it's a table |
| 17:49.55 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 17:50.06 | JeffM | so that is why I ask you WHERe in bz your talking about |
| 17:50.10 | randomparticle | ok |
| 17:50.22 | randomparticle | i noticed a change recently |
| 17:50.30 | randomparticle | don't know if it's leopard or 2.0.10rc3 |
| 17:50.31 | JeffM | I don't mean to be rude, but you make it very hard to answer your questions |
| 17:50.44 | randomparticle | ok |
| 17:50.47 | JeffM | 2.0.10 should not have any changes to platform on your mac |
| 17:50.48 | Erroneous | it's either sdl or leopard |
| 17:50.59 | randomparticle | when i go into windowed mode now, the original screen brightness is restored. it wasn't previously |
| 17:51.00 | Erroneous | there are no sdl platform changes in .10 |
| 17:51.28 | randomparticle | when i return to fullscreen bzflag, it's darker than it was when i started the game |
| 17:51.31 | JeffM | check the changelog for SDLWindow, any changes woudl be in there. |
| 17:51.39 | randomparticle | it's an old SDL lib |
| 17:51.47 | JeffM | if there are none then it's ether SDL or your OS |
| 17:51.56 | randomparticle | must be the OS then |
| 17:52.00 | JeffM | most likely |
| 17:52.13 | randomparticle | if i still had tiger, i'd compare |
| 17:54.18 | Erroneous | the last nontrivial changes to sdldisplay were almost three years ago, for 2.0.4. |
| 17:55.23 | JeffM | and we know that SDL has issues on 10.5, so one more thing woudl not be suprising |
| 17:55.30 | randomparticle | yep |
| 17:56.32 | randomparticle | which reminds me, i was going to do a diff on two SDL source trees to see what they changed and why the new one is dodgy |
| 17:56.50 | JeffM | have fun with that |
| 17:56.53 | randomparticle | :) |
| 17:57.45 | JeffM | Erroneous, later today you should totaly come to my desk and see the AMAZING First Person Shooter they made in DarkGDK IN ONLY 4 DAYS!!!! |
| 17:58.01 | Erroneous | is "lol" an appropriate response? :) |
| 17:58.06 | JeffM | probably |
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| 18:16.09 | brlcad | JeffM: erm, no it doesn't have _funcs, that's a win32 compat thing |
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| 18:27.31 | brlcad | Erroneous: the version stuff looked good to you? |
| 18:28.01 | JeffM | he was just at my desk |
| 18:28.29 | brlcad | well tell him to get his butt back on irc so he can be productive! :) |
| 18:28.39 | JeffM | he was helping me get BZ working on VC9 |
| 18:28.52 | brlcad | ~seen tupone |
| 18:28.55 | ibot | tupone <n=Tupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 21h 34m 14s ago, saying: 'yeah, I read something. Just I don't like to put in the file name some strange number that are generated "mostly" randomly'. |
| 18:29.03 | JeffM | and he said he wasn't 100% convinced of the whole .99 thing, but he dosn't care THAT much |
| 18:29.37 | JeffM | the otehr option is dev on .0.0 and release as .1 |
| 18:29.39 | JeffM | so releases are odd |
| 18:29.48 | brlcad | yeah, i'm not fully convinced myself, but I also can't think of anything actually 'better' .. just a few different options |
| 18:29.57 | JeffM | I'm not %100 on that, but I don't care that much ether ;) |
| 18:30.03 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:30.14 | JeffM | they each have similar distate |
| 18:30.23 | JeffM | I kninda like rolling out a release on a .0.0 |
| 18:30.29 | JeffM | that just feels "right" to me |
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| 18:30.51 | brlcad | yeah, having a perpetual 3.0.0 that suddenly is ordained as "done" vs a 99 that we can actually increment the patch number on |
| 18:31.12 | brlcad | vs a 3.0 that we incr patch number on and release as 3.2 just seems less than ideal |
| 18:31.25 | JeffM | the important thing is moving the proto to the major |
| 18:31.33 | JeffM | that gives us the room we need |
| 18:31.33 | brlcad | yeah |
| 18:31.54 | JeffM | I'm open to calling dev whatever, as long as it's far enough away from the last one to not have a problem. |
| 18:32.12 | JeffM | and dev must be "smaller" then release |
| 18:32.24 | brlcad | yeah |
| 18:32.51 | Erroneous | just as long as it doesn't make anything worse for package managers (like going backwards, or using letters, or something silly like that) |
| 18:33.09 | JeffM | what are the dev versions for firefox 3.0 taged as? |
| 18:33.10 | Erroneous | .99 seems arbitrary, but our major version was arbitrary before, so meh. |
| 18:33.16 | Erroneous | 3.0 |
| 18:33.32 | JeffM | and when they release what will it be? |
| 18:33.37 | JeffM | 3.1? |
| 18:33.47 | Erroneous | 3.0 |
| 18:33.53 | Erroneous | it's a terrible system |
| 18:34.02 | JeffM | k so they are bad examples |
| 18:34.03 | Erroneous | their versioning sucks, we should not follow there :) |
| 18:34.06 | JeffM | what does Wine do? |
| 18:34.29 | Erroneous | haven't gotten to 1.0 yet ;) |
| 18:34.36 | JeffM | ah |
| 18:34.41 | JeffM | eclipse? |
| 18:34.50 | JeffM | just trying to think of sucsesfull projects |
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| 18:35.06 | JeffM | ok, KDE and GNome :) |
| 18:35.10 | JeffM | what do they do? |
| 18:35.14 | brlcad | one of the differences though, they don't have the same backwards compatibility concerns -- for several of them it's just an indication of major new features |
| 18:35.28 | JeffM | I know |
| 18:36.11 | JeffM | if we treat our network compatability like a "document" format then there may be some office apps that are similar to us |
| 18:36.18 | JeffM | we are just a crap app that has 0 backwards compatability |
| 18:36.20 | Erroneous | gnome does even/odd minor |
| 18:36.26 | Erroneous | not sure about kde |
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| 18:36.51 | Erroneous | gnome's system is actually very similar to the one brlcad wrote up |
| 18:37.05 | JeffM | they do a 99? thing for dev? |
| 18:37.15 | brlcad | what we came up with should work, the only option outside of some radical change is whether head is an unreleased "3.0.0" that is eventually tagged as such, or something else (3.-1.5 woot!) |
| 18:37.23 | Erroneous | not sure. don't think they've had a major version in a long time |
| 18:37.46 | JeffM | I'd prefer head to be released as 3.0 |
| 18:37.51 | Erroneous | 2.FFFF.x |
| 18:37.57 | brlcad | or what we have (a 2.XX series that becomes 3) |
| 18:38.43 | Erroneous | I think most projects don't plan for majors, they just kinda happen (like 2.0 with us) |
| 18:38.54 | Erroneous | they just do "the next dev version" |
| 18:39.00 | JeffM | I like the idea of saying "bzflag 3" procoll that was released with 3.0.0 |
| 18:39.34 | Erroneous | we break protocol intentionally, so we actually need a separate number for major dev |
| 18:39.45 | Erroneous | whether it's .99 or whatever |
| 18:42.14 | CIA-MIA | BZFlag: 03bryjen * r16247 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzflag/NewVersionMenu.cxx: move this here so the param is 'used' |
| 18:42.20 | whodaman- | Pythonian is running all those bots again? |
| 18:42.25 | tannerld | ? |
| 18:43.30 | whodaman- | well it only says they have 2 players but it's actually 2players + 6 or 7 bots |
| 18:43.36 | whodaman- | weren't they banned from the server list? |
| 18:43.51 | CIA-MIA | BZFlag: 03bryjen * r16248 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/NewVersionMenu.cxx: move this here so the param is 'used' |
| 18:44.05 | tannerld | hm. |
| 18:44.18 | tannerld | or did someone upgrade the list server? |
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| 18:46.14 | JeffM | good |
| 18:46.17 | JeffM | that is as it should be |
| 18:46.28 | JeffM | he agreed to upgrade his server to .10 |
| 18:46.32 | JeffM | so it would not report them |
| 18:46.44 | JeffM | he can run his server however he wants |
| 18:46.52 | JeffM | but he can not use the bots to push himself up in the list. |
| 18:47.05 | whodaman- | So that means that the bots just don't appear in the server list |
| 18:47.08 | whodaman- | good. |
| 18:47.08 | JeffM | yes |
| 18:47.18 | JeffM | he was quite civil about it |
| 18:47.20 | whodaman- | That works |
| 18:47.30 | whodaman- | did he have an alternative? |
| 18:47.34 | JeffM | yes |
| 18:47.47 | JeffM | there were 2 other thigns he could have done |
| 18:48.01 | JeffM | this was the one that let him do what he wanted |
| 18:48.10 | JeffM | he likes having players play against bots |
| 18:48.47 | brlcad | quite reasonable |
| 18:48.51 | JeffM | indeed |
| 18:49.20 | brlcad | i could easily see having servers that perpetually had tons of bots, with a variety of bots even |
| 18:49.37 | JeffM | thats why I made the change down in branch :) |
| 18:49.47 | brlcad | xpilots is like that, and theirs are good enough that it actually takes a while for some to realize they're not human |
| 18:49.50 | whodaman- | It's ok just to have them for 'gameplay' reasons but not just to be on the first page all the time, quiet good solution in the end |
| 18:50.05 | JeffM | for 3 I think we should send bot coutns seperately so they can be weighted in |
| 18:50.13 | brlcad | yeah |
| 18:50.34 | JeffM | then the client can have a number of filtering options |
| 18:50.46 | brlcad | especially if/when more happens with bzrobots and ai bots become more commonplace |
| 18:50.51 | JeffM | indeed |
| 18:51.17 | whodaman- | how can the serverlist tell the server is running bots? |
| 18:51.26 | JeffM | it can't right now |
| 18:51.36 | JeffM | the change that pythonian is using has NOTHING to do with the list server |
| 18:51.46 | JeffM | he upgraded his GAME server |
| 18:52.01 | JeffM | in the future we can have the game server send seperate bot counts per team |
| 18:52.13 | JeffM | then the list and clients will know the proper counts |
| 19:06.40 | whodaman- | hmm /part just froze my client |
| 19:21.37 | SpazzyMcGee | JeffM: is there a remote possibility that the patch in this thread could be integrated into 2.1? http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8029&start=0 |
| 19:22.22 | JeffM | wasn't hunt changed for trunk allredy? |
| 19:22.40 | JeffM | if it's trepan's stuff, I think it's there |
| 19:22.52 | SpazzyMcGee | Ah, OK. |
| 19:22.57 | JeffM | build the current 2.99.0 and see |
| 19:23.11 | SpazzyMcGee | .99? |
| 19:23.14 | JeffM | 99 |
| 19:23.24 | JeffM | 2.99.x -> 3.0.0 |
| 19:23.47 | SpazzyMcGee | ooo... |
| 19:24.03 | JeffM | http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_3.0 |
| 19:24.05 | JeffM | rename |
| 19:24.12 | JeffM | we are making the protocoll be the major version |
| 19:24.20 | JeffM | so the next one will be 3. |
| 19:24.34 | SpazzyMcGee | Ah, right, fair enough. |
| 19:31.53 | SpazzyMcGee | Out of interest, did trepan commit his bump mapping stuff too? |
| 19:37.30 | L4m3r | he committed it and then pulled it, iirc |
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| 20:06.11 | brlcad | I have all of trepan's last work if someone wants to weed through all of the changes |
| 20:06.21 | brlcad | about 100-200k line changes iirc |
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| 20:20.17 | L4m3r | committing that to trunk would probably be a real chore :\ |
| 20:27.58 | Constitution | funny, I was JUST thinking of trepans uncommitted stuff last night :O |
| 20:32.38 | brlcad | L4m3r: yes it would |
| 20:33.11 | brlcad | it was already long out of sync that it can't be directly applied, would have to be manually reviewed and committed piecewise |
| 20:33.50 | Constitution | 200k lines... that's got to be months or a year of work, right? |
| 20:34.21 | brlcad | it was months of effort |
| 20:34.31 | brlcad | i forget the exact line count, but it was substantial |
| 20:40.43 | JeffM | bump mapping wasn't commited IIRC |
| 20:40.46 | JeffM | it was local |
| 20:41.25 | brlcad | yeah, it was, and a bit hacked iirc |
| 20:41.44 | JeffM | it was a shader program |
| 20:41.56 | JeffM | and if we do shaders, there are other aspects we should do first ;) |
| 20:41.58 | JeffM | shadows |
| 20:42.00 | JeffM | glows |
| 20:42.05 | JeffM | grass |
| 20:42.27 | blast007 | cow launcher |
| 20:42.35 | JeffM | fish missile |
| 20:42.40 | blast007 | :) |
| 20:43.09 | Erroneous | mm, fish |
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| 21:35.26 | delusional_ | funny, i've been thinking about trepan's uncommited stuff for at least a year... I'd like to at least take a look at what is there, brlcad, not that it's going to do anyone but me any good. I have been reading a little bit of C++ instruction on the internet. This would be a great oppurtunity to dive in, instead of testing the waters with my toes. I can learn about C++ and maybe pick up some mapping techniques at the same time. |
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| 21:44.26 | blast007 | delusional_: something that would be more helpful, yet still a way to dive it, would be testing SVN trunk and finding (and/or fixing) bugs and problems |
| 21:49.41 | QBeep | Hey, if there'a s capable admin around... we've got a game-killing cheater/teamkiller on Bloodbath |
| 21:50.39 | delusional_ | I suppose I can do that |
| 21:51.02 | Winny | coming |
| 21:51.29 | Winny | QBeep: who? |
| 21:51.51 | QBeep | "a perfect n00b" or something like that |
| 21:51.59 | Winny | hmm |
| 21:52.10 | QBeep | if you join it will be obvious, like an elephant in a graveyard |
| 21:52.25 | Winny | not there |
| 21:52.28 | Winny | he isn't |
| 21:53.08 | QBeep | Look for repeated /poll bans with no accompanying kick |
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| 22:40.55 | Constitution | Mac Pro |
| 22:40.58 | blast007 | beer |
| 22:40.59 | Winny | JeffM: berr |
| 22:41.04 | JeffM | Constitution, why? |
| 22:41.06 | Winny | err, yah, what he said |
| 22:41.08 | JeffM | wasn't THAT much |
| 22:41.14 | Constitution | haha |
| 22:41.27 | Winny | JeffM: hmm... someone to design a new website? |
| 22:41.33 | blast007 | JeffM: buy a mini, and then sell it to me again |
| 22:41.37 | JeffM | why woudl I give you MY bzflag money |
| 22:41.47 | JeffM | get your own bzflag money |
| 22:42.02 | Winny | JeffM: hire some firm to make us a kickass site |
| 22:42.13 | blast007 | Winny: or just con me into it |
| 22:42.16 | JeffM | it's money for me FROM bzflag, not money from me TO bzflag |
| 22:42.16 | blast007 | ;) |
| 22:42.38 | Winny | JeffM: Oh, its not GSoC money? |
| 22:42.55 | JeffM | it used to be |
| 22:42.59 | JeffM | now some of it is MINE |
| 22:43.01 | JeffM | all MINE |
| 22:43.12 | blast007 | <insert evil lauch> |
| 22:43.15 | blast007 | laugh* |
| 22:43.23 | Winny | how much? |
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| 22:43.46 | JeffM | one hundred and eighty two dollars and thrity three cents! |
| 22:43.51 | Winny | yay! |
| 22:44.18 | Winny | buy a more RAM? :p |
| 22:44.31 | JeffM | don't want to go 64bit |
| 22:47.04 | JeffM | tho techincaly I spent the money allready back in september |
| 22:47.16 | JeffM | retal car rembursal, etc.. |
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| 23:00.15 | brlcad | JeffM: aww.. no way |
| 23:01.19 | brlcad | that sucks, didn't think they taxed the smaller individual transfers .. you're still owed a few bucks and paypal can kma |
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| 23:04.30 | Speeddymon | brlcad: cia-24 is not reporting svn commits in #norganna again (should I be privmsg'ing these issues to you?) |
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| 23:18.45 | JeffM | blrhow much did oyu send |
| 23:18.59 | JeffM | brlcad, how much did you send? |
| 23:19.19 | Winny | lol |
| 23:19.33 | Winny | JeffM: already spent it on beer I see ;) |
| 23:19.38 | blast007 | man, that sentence needs medical attention |
| 23:21.40 | spldart | So does my future hangover.... |
| 23:22.06 | brlcad | JeffM: looks like they snarfed 4.7%, it was supposed to be 191 |
| 23:22.17 | brlcad | so 9 bucks still |
| 23:22.37 | brlcad | my bad, sorry |
| 23:22.53 | JeffM | brlcad, I'm not worried |
| 23:23.08 | JeffM | 9$ is not worth the trouble |
| 23:23.38 | brlcad | good to know, though -- to not use paypal next time |
| 23:23.45 | brlcad | shoulda used google's thing :) |
| 23:24.00 | JeffM | heh |
| 23:25.47 | JeffM | specialy the part where it defines the map in code from a static 2 array |
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| 23:43.37 | Winny | JeffM: what's the list of packages needed to compile BZFlag? |
| 23:43.47 | JeffM | is this for heart attack? |
| 23:43.53 | Winny | no, but he got me thnking |
| 23:44.06 | Winny | I remember direct X, cURL, etc.. |
| 23:44.08 | JeffM | depends on the OS/compiler/etc.. |
| 23:44.12 | Tupone | what OS ? |
| 23:44.23 | Tupone | a windows |
| 23:44.26 | Winny | Xp (already working on my mac) |
| 23:44.38 | JeffM | again depends on the compiler |
| 23:44.44 | JeffM | and what version of BZ |
| 23:44.54 | JeffM | trunk builds on VC8 out of the box on full VC8 |
| 23:44.58 | JeffM | ee or otherwise |
| 23:45.10 | JeffM | well EE with platform SDK and directX |
| 23:45.56 | Winny | has compiling been tried on VSEE 2008? |
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| 23:47.03 | JeffM | yep |
| 23:47.05 | JeffM | works fine |
| 23:47.09 | JeffM | with the last set of changes |
| 23:47.14 | JeffM | read the commits log ;) |
| 23:47.36 | Winny | :p |
| 23:47.47 | JeffM | it only needed a few small tweaks |
| 23:47.53 | JeffM | trunk has a set of VC9 projects now |
| 23:48.20 | JeffM | for VC7.1, you need to install a directX SDK, and curses, glew, and curl |
| 23:49.18 | Winny | alright |
| 23:50.10 | JeffM | well for branch |
| 23:50.14 | JeffM | for turnk you don't need curl |
| 23:50.48 | JeffM | at some point we plan on making the default debug and release builds work with the basic compiler stuff ( compiler, plat SDK, and direct X) |
| 23:51.00 | JeffM | only VC8/9 do that now |
| 23:51.04 | JeffM | on trunk |
| 23:51.28 | JeffM | the links instructions arn't complete if they are talking about branch, since they miss curses and curl |
| 23:51.55 | JeffM | and I think they are just wrong in general |
| 23:52.17 | Winny | wait, VC9 will compile bz without curses, etc? |
| 23:52.30 | JeffM | for trunk |
| 23:52.34 | JeffM | curses is optional |
| 23:52.41 | JeffM | so I made the default not use it |
| 23:53.17 | JeffM | same for GLEW |
| 23:53.36 | JeffM | we use our own internal CURL and ares, and fltk so we are good |
| 23:53.37 | Tupone | hmm ... why curl is not needed for trunk? |
| 23:53.43 | Tupone | ahh internal |
| 23:53.48 | JeffM | yeah |
| 23:54.03 | JeffM | src/other is heavaly used by windows ;) |
| 23:54.05 | Tupone | ares, there is a new version out in the wild |
| 23:54.17 | JeffM | well update the stuff in trunk and I'll pick it up :) |
| 23:54.49 | JeffM | nice so Links clan is a bunch of GPL violators.... great... |
| 23:55.05 | Winny | heh, his "special" client? |
| 23:55.08 | JeffM | no |
| 23:55.09 | Tupone | went out today, and just after the release, they discovered a missing file, and they changed the release again |
| 23:55.23 | JeffM | the fact that he has bins for libs like curl and curses with NO SOURCE. |
| 23:56.59 | JeffM | depends if you have the correct .net installed |
| 23:57.04 | JeffM | Tupone, curl isn't GPL? |
| 23:57.10 | spldart | what can cause excess jitter all of a sudden??\ |
| 23:57.13 | Winny | it's currently installing .NET 3.5 |
| 23:57.23 | JeffM | Winny, then yep, boom you go. |
| 23:57.26 | Winny | damn |
| 23:57.28 | Tupone | hmm, I guess not, lemmy check |
| 23:57.57 | JeffM | ok well they are violating our LGPL at least |
| 23:58.05 | JeffM | they include a premade bzadmin |
| 23:58.11 | Tupone | MIT |
| 23:58.31 | JeffM | that dosn't need sources then |