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| 01:45.06 | Djpenguin | KTL does he come back after ban? |
| 01:45.14 | Djpenguin | You may want to use range ban for that |
| 01:50.04 | Constitution | Nightmare is already masterbanned, but seems to be on a dynamic IP (or uses some other method of bypassing it). |
| 01:51.00 | Djpenguin | Range ban then |
| 01:51.10 | Djpenguin | and deregister his name |
| 01:51.23 | Constitution | he's not registered, IIRC |
| 01:51.28 | Djpenguin | hmm |
| 01:51.28 | JeffM | nightmare? or knightmare? |
| 01:51.39 | Djpenguin | sounds like nightmare |
| 01:51.41 | JeffM | go reg only ;) |
| 01:51.55 | Djpenguin | <a_meteorite> NightMare is a known cheater |
| 01:52.10 | JeffM | they both are |
| 01:52.20 | JeffM | but they are difrent people |
| 01:52.22 | Djpenguin | prolly same person |
| 01:52.26 | Djpenguin | really? |
| 01:52.28 | Constitution | Knightmare is the one who's masterbanned, I guess |
| 01:52.52 | JeffM | indeed, hence my question ;) |
| 01:54.25 | JeffM | nightmare ( the kid ) has never been masterbanned |
| 01:55.03 | a_meteorite | I don't suppose it's the same knightmare that was around in 1.x days? |
| 01:55.49 | Constitution | NightMare, aka g0d, is the one who's been going around recently, looks like |
| 01:55.59 | JeffM | no |
| 01:56.07 | JeffM | nightmare is a much younger person |
| 01:56.16 | JeffM | tho anything is possible |
| 01:59.59 | Djpenguin | how do u know he is younger jeff? |
| 02:00.17 | JeffM | many reasons |
| 02:00.21 | JeffM | mostly talking to both |
| 02:01.48 | Djpenguin | hmm |
| 02:02.23 | Djpenguin | btw do u know how much time this channel gives before u are kicked? like from being idle |
| 02:02.39 | JeffM | huh? |
| 02:02.50 | JeffM | there are no automatic kics |
| 02:05.00 | Constitution | any chance that a BZBB admin will get to the global group requests soon? |
| 02:06.05 | JeffM | any chance someone will write the group management system :) |
| 02:06.25 | Constitution | been working on it... kinda put it on hold until 2.0.10 is done :) |
| 02:06.35 | a_meteorite | I would... if I knew what the plan was when it comes to forum system |
| 02:06.50 | JeffM | don't see how they are related, but ok |
| 02:07.09 | JeffM | a_meteorite: the back end should not matter |
| 02:07.12 | JeffM | ad be changeable |
| 02:07.23 | a_meteorite | right now groups are inside phpbb |
| 02:07.27 | JeffM | yeah so |
| 02:07.30 | JeffM | that's just storage |
| 02:07.35 | a_meteorite | I don't know what your guys' "plan" is on phpbb.. |
| 02:07.38 | JeffM | so |
| 02:07.44 | a_meteorite | oh, so you guys would be up for it if it's not integrated into phpbb? |
| 02:07.45 | JeffM | the back end needs to be flexable |
| 02:07.48 | a_meteorite | oh |
| 02:07.57 | Constitution | http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/db/bzgrpmgr/ |
| 02:07.59 | JeffM | the management system should NOT be part of phpbb |
| 02:08.12 | JeffM | but it shoudl be able to access the groups stored in that database |
| 02:08.17 | a_meteorite | I always figured that was a bad design decision, but that's what we have now :) |
| 02:08.23 | JeffM | it was |
| 02:08.38 | JeffM | but it dosn't matter to the front end where the groups are stored |
| 02:08.41 | JeffM | it's just a database right? |
| 02:09.05 | a_meteorite | of course, that's what a frontend is meant for.. abstraction :) |
| 02:09.15 | Constitution | in the one in SVN, there's a data class that is extended to provide a database-specific interface for the group manager |
| 02:09.18 | JeffM | then your statement makes no sense |
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| 03:47.29 | Macrosoft | who are they? http://www.photopla.net/071006google/ |
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| 03:52.18 | Macrosoft | brlcad: pingus |
| 03:56.13 | brlcad | Macrosoft: what? |
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| 04:54.06 | brlcad | shoot, I think I deleted my session notes |
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| 05:38.16 | brlcad | maybe JeffM and DTRemenak can refresh my memory of any hilights that they remember that should be sure to annotate? |
| 05:38.25 | JeffM | Z IS UP! |
| 05:38.38 | JeffM | pay your aritists |
| 05:38.44 | JeffM | CS is wierd |
| 05:38.46 | JeffM | blender is hard |
| 05:38.56 | JeffM | TP guy can't draw |
| 05:40.39 | brlcad | I think I have all those except tp guy not being able to draw |
| 05:40.55 | brlcad | don't think that was explicitly stated, was it? :) |
| 05:41.02 | brlcad | mention polish in lots of places |
| 05:41.10 | JeffM | I don't know if we got anything positive done in that meeting, more of a "why these ideas won't work" |
| 05:41.58 | brlcad | the positive was the networking aspects, meeting those other folks |
| 05:42.03 | JeffM | yeah |
| 05:42.05 | brlcad | but other than that, yeah, not much content-wise |
| 05:42.10 | JeffM | but we could have done that at a bar ;) |
| 05:42.26 | brlcad | or *two* after-party parties |
| 05:42.44 | brlcad | i would have liked another day to mingle |
| 05:42.58 | JeffM | yeah the day of coding would have been nice |
| 05:42.59 | brlcad | only started to interact near the end |
| 05:43.06 | JeffM | like a day for students, and a day for projects |
| 05:43.24 | JeffM | do the students one first, so everyone gets to know each other |
| 05:43.30 | JeffM | then bust out a networking/code fest |
| 05:43.36 | brlcad | what was said about legal matters with content? |
| 05:43.59 | JeffM | ahh, it's hard to add non GPL conent to a game that ships in a distro |
| 05:44.09 | JeffM | and that artists don't like to give up GPL level rights |
| 05:44.18 | JeffM | usualy its' free use, no mod, no comerical |
| 05:44.27 | JeffM | and no comerial is incompatable with LGPL |
| 05:47.28 | brlcad | thanks, that helped |
| 05:47.56 | brlcad | there was one other comment other than the z is up and yes you are different comment |
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| 05:48.43 | JeffM | content creators come from players |
| 05:48.50 | JeffM | and they don't know modeling stuff |
| 05:48.57 | JeffM | so they are used to simple editors |
| 05:48.59 | JeffM | ala quake |
| 05:49.09 | JeffM | and they can and will gank stuff from anywhere |
| 05:49.25 | brlcad | anyone other than bzflag, TP, scummvm, blender, k3d, ogre, and crystal space attend/speak? |
| 05:49.42 | brlcad | there were others, but dont' recall those early introductions other than those |
| 05:49.43 | JeffM | one guy did |
| 05:49.44 | JeffM | longer hair |
| 05:49.52 | JeffM | I think he was the guy on the seam |
| 05:50.02 | JeffM | let me check the big picture to find him |
| 05:50.07 | brlcad | seam? |
| 05:50.09 | brlcad | ooh |
| 05:50.47 | brlcad | if we do this again next year, we should host it and have a freaking agenda beforehand |
| 05:50.55 | JeffM | yeah |
| 05:51.13 | brlcad | but that's what they get.. these notes are heavily bzflag-biased :) |
| 05:51.32 | brlcad | though we did dominate a lot of the talk, so it should reflect it |
| 05:51.34 | JeffM | what was the jotspot URL? |
| 05:51.55 | JeffM | nm |
| 05:52.00 | brlcad | http://googlesummerofcode.jot.com/ |
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| 05:52.39 | JeffM | somone had a page on the wiki with names and the big picture, what was that link? |
| 05:56.17 | brlcad | http://www.photopla.net/071006google/spiv1536/071006google06.jpg |
| 05:56.47 | brlcad | you mean the dude on the far right, half his face |
| 05:56.50 | JeffM | yeah the dude on the seam |
| 05:56.54 | JeffM | yeah |
| 05:57.09 | brlcad | yeah, I remember him talking but not about *what* |
| 05:57.16 | brlcad | or who he was with |
| 05:57.17 | JeffM | modeling and art |
| 05:57.34 | JeffM | his responce was that users would have to learn SOMETHING |
| 05:57.38 | JeffM | and we disagreed |
| 05:59.13 | JeffM | he COULD have been from ogre |
| 05:59.21 | JeffM | he's in row 11 |
| 05:59.31 | JeffM | and there is a guy from there, Greg Junker |
| 05:59.52 | JeffM | and he was ish with the other ogre guy |
| 06:00.34 | JeffM | and he's a lot lower |
| 06:00.37 | brlcad | ah, okay junker |
| 06:00.39 | JeffM | in the image, behind me |
| 06:00.40 | brlcad | he was ogre |
| 06:01.26 | brlcad | yeah, behind you was steve streeting |
| 06:01.35 | brlcad | him i knew/know |
| 06:02.23 | brlcad | seen him at siggraph for three years now, which is part why I'm biased towards them |
| 06:02.32 | brlcad | he just has a really strong vision and scope for the project |
| 06:02.40 | JeffM | well and less suck |
| 06:02.49 | brlcad | i think that's a side-effect :) |
| 06:03.03 | brlcad | they turn a lot of stuff away |
| 06:03.04 | JeffM | we talked about prefabs and stuff too |
| 06:03.12 | JeffM | libraries of common objects in the style |
| 06:03.24 | JeffM | CS talked about how they solved the content issue by hiring artists |
| 06:03.30 | brlcad | I think I've heard him have to say "we're not a gaming engine" every single time we've been in the same room together :) |
| 06:03.49 | JeffM | everyone also seemed to indicate that you shoudl talk to the tool guys, they are helpfull ( ogre, cs, blender, k3d ) |
| 06:03.59 | JeffM | instead of just saying they "suck" |
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| 06:06.37 | noyb | brlcad: hey there |
| 06:06.59 | brlcad | hello noyb |
| 06:07.06 | brlcad | sup |
| 06:07.15 | noyb | it's been a very long time since we've chatted... |
| 06:07.37 | noyb | I popped in yesterday (or day before?) to mention a bug. |
| 06:07.52 | brlcad | seems like just yesterday |
| 06:08.02 | noyb | TH takes SW will hang a MacOS client. you recall? |
| 06:08.16 | brlcad | with lighting on? |
| 06:08.22 | noyb | um... |
| 06:09.33 | noyb | yes. Lighting = Best |
| 06:09.51 | brlcad | hm? |
| 06:09.55 | brlcad | i know it looks great |
| 06:10.09 | brlcad | but I know it also will cause hard lockups still under the right conditions (on mac os x) |
| 06:10.15 | noyb | I was sitting here trying to remember last time we spoke. many years at least. |
| 06:10.33 | noyb | ok. I'l turn it to None. |
| 06:10.43 | noyb | and see how it goes over the next several years... |
| 06:11.02 | rtfm | brlcad: he was referring to the value of "Best" for lighting, now how "great it looks" ;) |
| 06:11.02 | noyb | it's been happening for many years, and I'm finally sick of it. :-) |
| 06:11.03 | brlcad | JeffM: feel free to read/adjust/ignore http://googlesummerofcode.jot.com/WikiHome/OpenSourceGaming |
| 06:11.20 | brlcad | yes, it looks great |
| 06:11.25 | brlcad | but it also makes playing unbearable |
| 06:11.26 | rtfm | None, Fast, and Best are the values for lighting |
| 06:11.43 | brlcad | because it locks up the system hard and you have to reboot unless you have a remote login going already |
| 06:11.55 | brlcad | and even if you do have remote, it's often unrecoverable |
| 06:12.01 | brlcad | turn it off, and all is better with the world |
| 06:12.25 | brlcad | i've fixed the problem twice now, but it's like whack-a-mole .. can and does occur under so many different conditions |
| 06:12.25 | noyb | ok. nice work-around. I'll try it. Thank you. |
| 06:12.33 | noyb | ah |
| 06:12.57 | brlcad | spread the word |
| 06:13.19 | brlcad | "if you're on mac and fed up with hard lockups, try turning off lighting" |
| 06:13.49 | brlcad | some servers will never lock up .. it's gameplay and map specific usually |
| 06:13.51 | noyb | oh, sure. I play with that handicap for 5+ years and now I'm supposed to make it *easy* for people to get over it? ;-) |
| 06:13.54 | brlcad | some really provoke it easily |
| 06:15.00 | noyb | I'll let others know when they mention it. |
| 06:16.32 | noyb | brlcad: so what's new with you? |
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| 06:19.25 | brlcad | noyb: code code, and some more code |
| 06:20.11 | brlcad | brl-cad, bzflag, gsoc, hirings, firings, new servers |
| 06:20.52 | noyb | busy busy for you. |
| 06:21.30 | brlcad | always |
| 06:22.10 | brlcad | heh |
| 06:22.23 | brlcad | hopefully you won't conflict with tim, I think he's reading it now too |
| 06:22.28 | brlcad | (tp tim) |
| 06:22.28 | JeffM | why did ScummVM get a link and BZFlag didn't? |
| 06:22.41 | brlcad | they apparently have a wiki page in there |
| 06:22.44 | brlcad | we don't |
| 06:23.02 | noyb | I have a new work-from-home job (2 years now). Four kids at home keep me chasing my sanity. |
| 06:23.05 | JeffM | no it's a create link |
| 06:23.13 | JeffM | I think it's cus its CAPS lower CAPS |
| 06:23.15 | brlcad | oh, wierd |
| 06:23.21 | brlcad | it just did it while I was typing |
| 06:24.40 | JeffM | the only think I think that is missing is Tim's question of why can't conent be done the same way as code. |
| 06:24.51 | JeffM | that was his core question |
| 06:30.59 | brlcad | ah, yes |
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| 06:33.43 | JeffM | it'd be cool if we could all go to GDC, and have an open source games thingy |
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| 08:25.56 | L4m3r | it's a material property, "noradar" |
| 08:31.27 | Joss | thanks |
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| 10:46.58 | develneubee | hi, i am getting a failed(exit=2) error when i try to start a server. any ideas ? |
| 10:55.58 | Thumper_ | develneubee: the server should put out some error message if it fails to start |
| 10:57.28 | develneubee | Thumper_: i cant see a msg on th console behind the server menu. i have no prob running it on my laptop. i am trying to set it up on my desktop |
| 10:57.50 | Thumper_ | try running it from the commandline instead |
| 11:00.06 | develneubee | Thumper_: i am. do i need to pass any options ? |
| 11:00.40 | Thumper_ | develneubee: yes - bzfs -world your-world-file-goes-here.bzw |
| 11:00.53 | Thumper_ | and any other options you don't specify in the world file you can add to the commandline |
| 11:00.57 | Thumper_ | or to a conf file |
| 11:01.28 | Thumper_ | if you just want a random world to test with you can do something like |
| 11:01.50 | Thumper_ | bzfs -ms 3 -j +r -password secretPasswordGoesHere |
| 11:02.34 | Thumper_ | don't specify the password on the commandline for real servers - unless you're the only one using the system since the password is visible (at least on unix) |
| 11:03.07 | Thumper_ | normally you put the password in a configuration file instead |
| 11:03.21 | develneubee | Thumper_: ok. let me try this now. |
| 11:03.22 | Thumper_ | bzfs -conf your-conf-file-goes-here |
| 11:03.34 | Thumper_ | and then you put -password blah and -world blah2 in the conf file |
| 11:03.59 | Thumper_ | there are some options you can't put in the world file (like port, publicaddr, passwd, etc) |
| 11:05.22 | develneubee | Thumper_: wow!! it worked . cool.thanks |
| 11:05.29 | Thumper_ | develneubee: wlcm |
| 11:06.35 | Thumper_ | compile errors on trunk this morning. I'll be committing patches shortly... |
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| 11:17.13 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: playeID -> playerID globally |
| 11:17.15 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: Fixes the build |
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| 17:47.52 | Erroneous | more sig fun? |
| 17:47.56 | JeffM | yeah |
| 17:48.01 | JeffM | now it mentions nazis |
| 17:48.14 | Erroneous | heh |
| 17:48.18 | JeffM | and porn |
| 17:48.21 | JeffM | so he's done |
| 17:49.20 | a_meteorite | insane |
| 17:51.06 | whodaman- | nazis and porn? |
| 17:51.15 | JeffM | no I'm sure he's rather sane |
| 17:51.25 | JeffM | and knows exactly what he is doing |
| 17:51.25 | whodaman- | that's not right |
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| 17:54.57 | JeffM | Erroneous, you may want to look at frys.com they are having a one day sale, and have a number of notebooks |
| 17:55.14 | Erroneous | cool |
| 17:59.41 | JeffM | I loged his last sig in the admin playground for refrence. |
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| 20:44.02 | JeffM | blast007, so that that's 2wice now that he's put the sig back? |
| 20:44.35 | Winny | JeffM: which sig is this, I want to see ;) |
| 20:44.39 | JeffM | no |
| 20:51.32 | JeffM | this was the best part of his responce "Btw, on other serious bzflag-forums i am a board-admin. And these are "strict" forums, u cant do there everything u want to do (and thats good). These are not "mofo"-forums, where u can do kinda everything. |
| 20:51.32 | JeffM | And on these forums, i have this sig,too! |
| 20:51.32 | JeffM | (I know u don't belief me, so i'll tell u: i have there the same callsign like here) " |
| 20:51.52 | JeffM | cus that matters for SOME reason in his head |
| 20:52.14 | a_meteorite | what an excuse... "others let me do it, so you must too!" |
| 20:52.17 | Winny | ask him what forum |
| 20:52.27 | CBG | what forums? rofl |
| 20:52.31 | Winny | I can't think of any others |
| 20:52.34 | CBG | Winny: forumS! |
| 20:52.43 | Winny | the one and only forum S? |
| 20:53.00 | CBG | multiple forums |
| 20:53.15 | JeffM | it dosn't realy matter |
| 20:53.32 | Winny | JeffM: who is this, anyways? |
| 20:53.37 | JeffM | z[h]ero |
| 20:53.42 | Winny | oh... heh |
| 20:53.54 | whodaman- | zhero the player? |
| 20:53.58 | JeffM | indeed |
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| 20:57.19 | whodaman- | oh |
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| 21:24.48 | Erroneous | RC3's been out for eleven days now...when are we planning^H^H^H^H^H^H^H gonna do the actual release? |
| 21:25.24 | JeffM | has tupone returned? |
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| 21:29.17 | bjwebb | hi |
| 21:29.29 | bjwebb | anyone there? |
| 21:29.29 | JeffM | hello |
| 21:29.47 | bjwebb | bzflag won't start |
| 21:30.04 | bjwebb | http://pastebin.ca/737943 |
| 21:30.09 | L4m3r | got jumper cables? |
| 21:30.33 | L4m3r | what distro? |
| 21:30.54 | bjwebb | kubuntu gutsy |
| 21:31.04 | bjwebb | BZFlag client 2.0.8.20070909-MAINT-linux-gnu-SDL |
| 21:31.18 | bjwebb | radeon card with open source driver, if that matters |
| 21:32.14 | JeffM | your radeon driver failed |
| 21:32.19 | JeffM | get one that dosn't |
| 21:32.42 | L4m3r | yeah, I'd recommend using fglrx for an ATi card |
| 21:32.49 | JeffM | we asked for a GL context at a resoutlion X said it suported, but your driver failed on it. |
| 21:33.03 | JeffM | the open source driver is known to do that on some cards |
| 21:33.30 | bjwebb | :S |
| 21:33.37 | JeffM | you can try runing with -window -geometry 800x600 |
| 21:33.41 | JeffM | see if that works |
| 21:33.43 | bjwebb | i don't want to use frglx |
| 21:33.46 | L4m3r | if you pray to the mystical driver gods every night, maybe AMD will make some official open-source ATi drivers as the promised |
| 21:33.50 | JeffM | then the driver won't try to change reses |
| 21:33.50 | bjwebb | JeffM: okies |
| 21:33.52 | L4m3r | they* |
| 21:33.58 | JeffM | well the ATI driver is better |
| 21:34.01 | JeffM | in many respects |
| 21:34.04 | JeffM | useage wise |
| 21:34.05 | L4m3r | until then, you have to deal with the steaming pile they call fglrx |
| 21:34.08 | JeffM | but it's your choice |
| 21:34.22 | JeffM | indeed, maybe in the future it'll be better |
| 21:34.36 | L4m3r | AMD has said they'll do it, but we'll see |
| 21:34.49 | L4m3r | the ATi people will probably talk them out of it |
| 21:34.55 | bjwebb | i just get a blank window |
| 21:35.13 | JeffM | then your driver isn't doing openGL |
| 21:35.28 | JeffM | is your card one of the ones that they do hardware acceleration for? |
| 21:35.34 | bjwebb | is there a simple openGL test for |
| 21:35.35 | JeffM | if not, then you'll have to install mesa |
| 21:35.44 | bjwebb | JeffM: afaik, i mean i have compiz running normally |
| 21:35.55 | JeffM | that dosn't mean it's hardware ;) |
| 21:35.58 | JeffM | but I dunno |
| 21:36.04 | JeffM | it's in your driver somewhere |
| 21:36.05 | bjwebb | is their a test? |
| 21:36.12 | JeffM | we don't make one |
| 21:36.24 | JeffM | and we arn't qualified to provide driver support |
| 21:36.28 | bjwebb | i mean a general opengl one |
| 21:36.32 | JeffM | gears |
| 21:36.39 | JeffM | but we do a lot of stuff that gears dosn't do |
| 21:36.50 | bjwebb | gears runs :D |
| 21:37.28 | JeffM | cool |
| 21:37.38 | JeffM | we ask for things like stencil buffers |
| 21:37.38 | L4m3r | still might be software :x |
| 21:37.56 | JeffM | even if it was, we'd still work in a fully compliant software context |
| 21:38.11 | JeffM | your driver isn't returning us a valid context |
| 21:38.12 | L4m3r | of course, but it probably wouldn't work that well... |
| 21:38.14 | JeffM | so we cant' draw |
| 21:38.30 | bjwebb | :S |
| 21:38.39 | bjwebb | so do you have any suggestions for what i can do? |
| 21:39.16 | JeffM | yes, but you won't like them |
| 21:39.32 | JeffM | use the ATI driver, many people have better luck with it |
| 21:39.34 | bjwebb | like frglx? |
| 21:39.42 | JeffM | other then that, make sure you have the current version of your driver |
| 21:39.46 | JeffM | I'm not sure what it's called |
| 21:39.49 | L4m3r | fglrx IS the ati driver |
| 21:39.50 | JeffM | I don't use ATI on linux |
| 21:39.53 | L4m3r | I'm not aware of another |
| 21:40.14 | JeffM | I belive ATI has an installer on thier website, etc... |
| 21:40.31 | JeffM | if your card is suported |
| 21:40.33 | L4m3r | you can get it from the ubuntu repos and use module-assistant to build it |
| 21:40.35 | JeffM | what radeon is it? |
| 21:40.43 | bjwebb | x600 |
| 21:40.52 | bjwebb | which is r300 series iirc |
| 21:41.03 | L4m3r | like I said, AMD has promised open-source drivers... until then there's not a good alternative, afaik |
| 21:41.10 | bjwebb | seriously though, i don't want fglrx |
| 21:41.14 | JeffM | ok |
| 21:41.22 | JeffM | then find a driver that dosn't fail |
| 21:41.26 | JeffM | what more can we tell you? |
| 21:41.34 | bjwebb | it doesn't play well with compiz, and im trying to avoid _all_ propeitary software |
| 21:41.37 | bjwebb | JeffM: hmmm |
| 21:41.42 | JeffM | we assume a fully openGL compliant install |
| 21:41.44 | JeffM | your's isn't |
| 21:42.04 | JeffM | we asked X to give us a context, it didn't |
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| 21:42.46 | L4m3r | nothing you can do then, bjwebb |
| 21:42.49 | bjwebb | :S |
| 21:42.57 | bjwebb | well |
| 21:42.58 | bjwebb | no |
| 21:42.59 | JeffM | we don't make your driver |
| 21:43.08 | JeffM | so there isn't much else we can help you with |
| 21:43.19 | JeffM | I've given you the one thing I know of, the window trick |
| 21:43.27 | JeffM | that just makes us not tell X to change reses |
| 21:43.27 | L4m3r | there are lots of guides for using separate sessions to enable/disable compiz, but I don't think you can load different drivers that way |
| 21:44.42 | bjwebb | hmm |
| 21:44.42 | JeffM | I have heard that some people have luck checking for upgraded free drivers |
| 21:45.35 | Constitution | latest 2.0.10RC3 bzfs crashed today when a player joined: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m743eba1a |
| 21:46.17 | JeffM | thats in netcode |
| 21:47.36 | JeffM | Id' try to dupe it in a debuger and see what went wrong |
| 21:48.18 | bjwebb | hmm torcs is broke i think |
| 21:48.24 | bjwebb | that was working in my other instal |
| 21:50.09 | Constitution | JeffM: it crashed hours after starting, after many joins and parts... not sure how I could duplicate it in a straightforward fasion... should I just join and part rapidly until it crashes? |
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| 21:52.30 | bjwebb | hmm seems to be a recent thing thats been mucked up |
| 21:52.36 | bjwebb | ill let you know if i get it working |
| 21:52.38 | bjwebb | bbiab |
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| 22:02.20 | bjwebb | bzflag works in a windwo |
| 22:02.24 | bjwebb | yay!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 22:04.47 | bjwebb | hello? |
| 22:05.53 | a_meteorite | good |
| 22:07.23 | bjwebb | i can even get full screen by changing settings |
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| 22:17.55 | JeffM | Constitution, odd, it may be something deeper then |
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| 22:45.29 | AAA_awright | Kind of looks like the stock market: http://bzflag.redjacket.ws/index.php/graph.3/allw |
| 22:48.50 | tannerld | AAA_awright: do you have one stretching the whole year? :P |
| 22:49.12 | AAA_awright | No, I cleared the data a few hours ago. I don't keep records /that/ long |
| 22:49.32 | AAA_awright | Would be neat though, counting all user sessions over a year. |
| 22:50.03 | tannerld | seeing the percent of increase in summer :P |
| 22:50.47 | AAA_awright | Redjacket stats hasn't even been around that long |
| 22:50.52 | AAA_awright | Or at least working for that long |
| 22:51.06 | AAA_awright | This is the third version of the code base |
| 22:51.31 | AAA_awright | every time between it had gone out for months at a time |
| 22:52.15 | AAA_awright | http://bzstats.strayer.de/home/?lang=en Strayer seems to keep all his data, would be interesting to scan that |
| 22:58.31 | brlcad | we have that in log files, could generate the data |
| 22:58.41 | brlcad | about three years worth |
| 22:59.33 | brlcad | probably about 30GB of data decompressed, we accummulate about a gb/month |
| 23:00.38 | AAA_awright | brlcad: That would be neat |
| 23:02.08 | AAA_awright | brlcad: Did you get the log error message fixed? Jeff disabled it after I realized it was printing access denied messages at the bottom of the action=LIST results |
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| 23:25.43 | Djpenguin | Where does the slowKeyboard BZDB variable get set to true so that playing.cxx knows when to trigger slow speed? And where does it get set back to false? |
| 23:28.21 | Winny | Constitution: isn't it quiet |
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| 23:41.23 | JeffM | ahh he quit :( |
