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| 00:01.45 | rob1n | o.o |
| 00:04.17 | rob1n | Macrosoft, it was just that they weren't shaping UDP traffic |
| 00:06.35 | JeffM | that would require him to read the article and understand it, instead of spouting headlines, and he'd get no fun out of that. |
| 00:07.12 | Macrosoft | there was no article |
| 00:07.34 | JeffM | yes there was |
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| 00:07.36 | Winny | so? there was still an explaination under it |
| 00:07.43 | JeffM | THAT was the article |
| 00:08.00 | Macrosoft | no, THAT was the summary |
| 00:08.17 | Winny | "Upon further investigation we found that our network routers were shaping TCP packets, but not UDP. Once we applied UDP shaping as well, all network outages ceased" |
| 00:08.32 | JeffM | if you hit read more, it wasn't big, the summary was the same size as the full article, skip. learn to read |
| 00:09.26 | JeffM | any large scale use of UDP packets could have caused it |
| 00:09.34 | JeffM | heck bzflag could have done it if it was used as much |
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| 02:38.14 | Macrosoft | heh http://bash.org/?433064 |
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| 10:24.55 | lepoulpe303 | is there somewhere a video showing all bzflag engine effects possibility ? I always play with minimum effects , as some effects lower gameplay (like missile effects) , and i wonder what bzflag is really able to do |
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| 10:39.39 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03jujibo * r16007 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Replace snprintf by the safer snprintf |
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| 12:24.39 | ruskie | heads up brumble/figit ip 58.172.226.212 cheater... |
| 12:24.44 | ruskie | just banned an viper |
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| 12:45.55 | ruskie | hmm would it be possible to make a server command that would freeze a players tank completly... |
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| 12:55.37 | ruskie | or atleast freeze all controls so that it would keep doing whatever it is doing when frozen :) |
| 13:24.55 | blast007 | ruskie: on 2.1/2.2 it would be |
| 13:25.21 | blast007 | you can disallow movement/shooting in 2.1 |
| 13:26.35 | ruskie | hmm nice... but doesn't 2.1/2.2 already handle a ton of stuff server side so cheating shouldn't be such big of an issue then? |
| 13:27.50 | blast007 | hah, not really |
| 13:28.12 | Manu | ruskie: in 10.0 the cheater's computer will explode ;) |
| 13:29.23 | ruskie | :) |
| 13:29.33 | ruskie | well a /freeze would be nice anyway :) |
| 13:29.40 | ruskie | just freeze the cheater midair... :) |
| 13:30.02 | Manu | ruskie: better is discard all his info ;) |
| 13:30.12 | Manu | so he can drive and shoot but nobody can seehim |
| 13:30.28 | ruskie | lol |
| 13:30.37 | Manu | is like when you are [nr] |
| 13:30.38 | blast007 | Manu: or more fun is to offset/mirror all the player positions for him |
| 13:30.48 | ruskie | lol |
| 13:30.51 | Manu | heh |
| 13:31.03 | ruskie | should get a few of these commands server side... |
| 13:31.09 | ruskie | so that cops can have fun with cheaters... |
| 13:31.16 | blast007 | /confuse |
| 13:31.17 | blast007 | ;) |
| 13:31.19 | ruskie | :) |
| 13:31.29 | Manu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:33.50 | ruskie | or /evil makes all flags he picks up be bad ones :) |
| 13:34.07 | blast007 | make all the good flags run away from the cheater |
| 13:34.37 | ruskie | that'd be fun |
| 13:34.50 | Manu | blast007: and end all his bullets ;) |
| 13:34.57 | ruskie | nahh |
| 13:35.02 | ruskie | revers them |
| 13:35.17 | ruskie | or stop them mid air :) |
| 13:35.29 | blast007 | make them shoot straight up |
| 13:36.18 | Manu | transform his tank in a rabbit |
| 13:38.44 | whodaman- | haha |
| 13:46.31 | whodaman- | blast007, can you help me with some basic textures for a sec? |
| 13:49.58 | blast007 | nope, leaving for work |
| 13:50.08 | whodaman- | oh ok |
| 13:50.10 | whodaman- | cya |
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| 15:13.21 | SportChick | transform his tank into a target, but all his bullets are ghost bullets and can't kill anything |
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| 15:13.32 | SportChick | s/a target/a giant target/ |
| 15:13.53 | SportChick | where's ibot? |
| 15:21.28 | lepoulpe303 | i propose : a /curse command line who gives the cheater my skills so he's easy to gun down |
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| 15:24.05 | donny_baker | lepoulpe303: most of the cheaters I've seen lately have a negative score already, It's so sad really :P |
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| 15:26.41 | lepoulpe303 | donny_baker: then i propose a drunken lepoulpe303 skills set |
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| 15:39.20 | smacnay | Hmm, when I start bzflag in Debian "testing" (updated with latest .deb sources), bzflag opens and then hangs. Memory on the machine gets eaten entirely (ram + swap) and I need to kill -9 the process to recover. Is there some bug in bz or some issue with its version in Debian testing? |
| 15:40.33 | blast007 | smacnay: might want to try building 2.0.10RC2: http://beta.bzflag.bz/builds/2.0.x/ |
| 15:41.23 | blast007 | the problem doesn't sound familiar, but it would narrow down a problem in 2.0.8 |
| 15:41.47 | blast007 | 2.0.10 is pretty close to a release |
| 15:42.20 | blast007 | you might even want to build the v2_0branch from SVN, though I don't think many things have been changed in the client code since RC2 |
| 15:43.30 | blast007 | http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN |
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| 16:08.35 | JeffM | brlcad, you arround? |
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| 16:20.37 | Pommes | there's a cheater on bzflag.pilotweb.ch:5156 |
| 16:20.48 | Pommes | walking through walls with F5 frequently |
| 16:21.05 | Pommes | he already got pollbanned twice but coming back with another nick after a few minutes |
| 16:21.22 | Pommes | nick is "GROS CHIOTE" with some dots |
| 16:21.28 | Pommes | one dot more per ban |
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| 16:41.30 | smacnay | blast007: thanks |
| 16:41.51 | Tedius | GROS is up to 4 dots now |
| 16:42.01 | JeffM | who owns that server? |
| 16:44.50 | Tedius | no idea. db said it was Constitution's, but I don't know why |
| 16:45.46 | Tedius | db == donny_baker |
| 16:46.06 | donny_baker | no I thought they said it was on faiserve |
| 16:46.26 | donny_baker | fairserve*... it's somewhere in switzerland |
| 16:47.02 | Tedius | this is "BZ-Berne" |
| 16:47.27 | donny_baker | yeah, in switzerland, so good luck finding who's it is :P |
| 16:47.32 | JeffM | if it's not activly admined, go to another server till he gets bored |
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| 16:55.16 | brlcad | JeffM: yeah |
| 16:55.47 | JeffM | you get any info from google on rembursals? |
| 16:57.23 | brlcad | there's been chatter on the mailing list that she's been out all last week |
| 16:57.31 | brlcad | and that it normally takes about 10 days or so anyways |
| 16:57.37 | JeffM | ahh |
| 16:57.45 | JeffM | well the info I had said she'd batch them on fridays |
| 16:57.48 | JeffM | and a friday past |
| 16:57.52 | JeffM | no worries then |
| 16:58.09 | brlcad | yeah, probably just because she was out at some conference |
| 16:58.13 | JeffM | heh |
| 16:58.37 | JeffM | we also need to firm up when and where we should meet the purple cow and gang |
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| 17:00.20 | L4m3r_ | C'mon Jeff, real men don't need GPS :P |
| 17:00.58 | brlcad | has the purple guy said he's interested? |
| 17:01.20 | brlcad | we really only have those two times I think, fri afternoon or sun morning |
| 17:02.43 | JeffM | brlcad, he gave us a hell yeah |
| 17:02.58 | JeffM | L4m3r_, want not need ;) |
| 17:03.11 | JeffM | ranger sense could get me there, but gps takes less mana |
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| 17:04.20 | smacnay | Ah, my ~/.bzf/.../config.cfg file was empty- I deleted the empty file and now bzflag starts up with no problem. |
| 17:04.55 | brlcad | hmm.. hm. I could upgrade .bz to a P4 with about 400MB more memory and 40GB more disk for $4/month .. but loose .25TB/month in transfer |
| 17:05.41 | brlcad | so faster machine with less bandwidth or wait for a better deal |
| 17:05.48 | JeffM | how close are you in bandwith now? |
| 17:05.59 | brlcad | not at all close |
| 17:06.04 | JeffM | and if you went over, how much more would it cost? |
| 17:06.13 | brlcad | but then that's where the money is if I ever were to get close |
| 17:06.31 | JeffM | how much would the 0.25tb cost you? |
| 17:06.33 | brlcad | that .25/month is worth about $30/month |
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| 17:06.48 | JeffM | so realy what your saying is the upgrade could cost as much as 34$ a month |
| 17:07.11 | brlcad | it'd cost me a heck of a lot more if we went "over" due to the way overage charges work |
| 17:07.27 | JeffM | well that's a cost that can happen now |
| 17:07.29 | brlcad | no, I'm saying a feature we have but presently do not use is worth about that much |
| 17:07.37 | JeffM | ahh |
| 17:07.43 | JeffM | think we'll use it? |
| 17:07.55 | JeffM | more CPU would probalby help |
| 17:08.09 | brlcad | we're paying for a five lane road when we only presently use one .. it's incredibly expensive to build a new lane if we need one |
| 17:08.18 | JeffM | and I think we'll split to distributed before we use all that bandwith |
| 17:08.24 | JeffM | ahh |
| 17:08.40 | JeffM | well you could keep some of the soc money as a bandwith buffer |
| 17:09.10 | brlcad | so I could drop it to a four lane (which probably would be fine) and a higher-quality road .. on the bet that we'll not need that 5th lane |
| 17:09.18 | JeffM | if the swapout helps list server performance, I don't think anyone will have a prolblem with keeping the money for that. |
| 17:10.31 | brlcad | fyi, the diff is an upgrade from a 2.4 celeron to a 2.4 P4 |
| 17:10.49 | JeffM | single core pentium? |
| 17:11.02 | brlcad | yeah, the duals are in another league of pricings |
| 17:11.12 | JeffM | hmm.. that may not be worth it |
| 17:11.23 | JeffM | a dual p4 for that price would be a great deal |
| 17:11.42 | JeffM | and probalby help us out a LOT |
| 17:11.42 | brlcad | the price is just $4/month extra |
| 17:11.57 | JeffM | how much faster at what we do would be P4 be? |
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| 17:12.41 | JeffM | I mean if it's clocked the same, it probabaly just has more cache, and that's about it |
| 17:12.46 | JeffM | for what apache does |
| 17:12.46 | brlcad | hard to say really, but I'd expect it to be a solid 30% faster at least |
| 17:13.25 | JeffM | how much more is a dual core? |
| 17:14.45 | brlcad | more importantly, the new server would have the new 6 series bsd kernel .. we're currently on the 5 series which is quite stable but has several issues that would be nice to get rid of |
| 17:15.08 | JeffM | and there would be lot of downtime to upgrade our current one? |
| 17:15.19 | brlcad | it'd be a swap-over |
| 17:15.24 | JeffM | I know |
| 17:15.52 | JeffM | I mean if you didnt' swap |
| 17:15.52 | JeffM | if you kept this plan |
| 17:15.52 | brlcad | technically have two hosts for a month, migrate the data, and then swap the dns one day |
| 17:15.52 | JeffM | it'd be a lot harder to upgrade our existing one |
| 17:15.53 | JeffM | I'm looking at pro/con stuff ;) |
| 17:16.59 | brlcad | the benefit of the current plan is that it works and has been working pretty stable for quite a while .. if we didn't get a swap-over server, I wouldn't do the upgrade |
| 17:17.12 | JeffM | if the SoC money can pay for the dual core price dif, then I'd have no problem callingm for a vote to use some/all of the money for that |
| 17:17.18 | brlcad | that's why I've not done the upgrade myself (for the 5 to 6 kernel) .. as that would potentially be downtime |
| 17:17.30 | brlcad | heh, no .. soc money can't affort that |
| 17:17.37 | JeffM | I think if we are going to do a swapover then it'd be best to do it once |
| 17:17.39 | brlcad | it would more than double the price, more than 100/month |
| 17:17.41 | JeffM | ok, so it out of the range |
| 17:17.42 | JeffM | ok |
| 17:17.42 | brlcad | (extra) |
| 17:17.50 | JeffM | that's why I asked :) |
| 17:18.17 | JeffM | is the 2.4 gig p4 the top end of the single core tier? |
| 17:18.56 | brlcad | nah, it goes to 2.8, then to xeon's |
| 17:19.04 | JeffM | how much more are they? |
| 17:19.32 | brlcad | likewise out of range.. the 2.4 is interesting because it's a special deal they're running right now |
| 17:19.41 | brlcad | they run deals every few weeks |
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| 17:20.00 | JeffM | ok |
| 17:20.05 | brlcad | so we could just as easily wait for a better deal |
| 17:20.29 | JeffM | well my opinon is go for it, save a couple hundred of the SoC cash in a bandwith overage fund |
| 17:20.44 | brlcad | it's really still a question of whether $4/month for faster hardware and an upgraded kernel are worth losing that extra bandwidth |
| 17:20.44 | JeffM | that way if we do peak, we have funds to hold us untill we can split things up |
| 17:21.12 | JeffM | your current cap is 1000gigs a month? |
| 17:21.15 | JeffM | or 1.25? |
| 17:21.21 | JeffM | 1250 |
| 17:21.25 | brlcad | there's no way we're going over anytime soon unless the server's usage changes dramatically (like becoming a red hat mirror or something, and even then..) |
| 17:21.31 | brlcad | 1250 |
| 17:21.33 | libervisco | I've got an issue with bzflag that.. simply popped up.. |
| 17:21.49 | JeffM | if It was me, I'd do the swap |
| 17:21.57 | JeffM | we'd get a fair amount of benift |
| 17:22.08 | libervisco | last time I closed it by clickin on the X button.. now it just wont run and I'm just baffled |
| 17:22.09 | brlcad | I got the server when they had a really great deal going, that they have yet to match in three years bandwidth-wise |
| 17:22.19 | JeffM | and if we do pop over the cap, we can move stuff to other servers to spread it out, your german one, xmission, etc.. |
| 17:22.24 | brlcad | only recently came close with this 1tb deal |
| 17:22.32 | JeffM | libervisco, what OS? |
| 17:22.38 | libervisco | Ubuntu Feisty |
| 17:22.47 | brlcad | yeah, the german one is like 2TB or 2.5TB or something insane |
| 17:22.55 | JeffM | so you were running in a window, libervisco ? |
| 17:22.57 | libervisco | This is what it says http://pastebin.com/m77ce6e64 |
| 17:23.02 | libervisco | JeffM, yeah |
| 17:23.14 | JeffM | brlcad, so yeah I'd do it, you have enouhg bandwith elsehere to offload things if needed. |
| 17:23.22 | libervisco | I deleted the config folder in my home directory, but it's the same.. |
| 17:23.26 | JeffM | and the kernel and CPU woudl help with imediate problems. |
| 17:23.48 | JeffM | libervisco, it's asking for a video mode your x dosn't support |
| 17:23.56 | JeffM | what command line are you using to start it? |
| 17:24.10 | JeffM | and what videocard/drivers do you have? |
| 17:24.19 | libervisco | X? Well, gdm. |
| 17:24.31 | libervisco | The thing is it ran fine just before that |
| 17:24.35 | libervisco | and in between nothing changed |
| 17:24.38 | JeffM | it says (XF86VidModeSwitchToMode) that's raw x |
| 17:24.57 | JeffM | well run it with bzflag -window -geometry 800x600 and see if it comes up |
| 17:24.59 | libervisco | My card is Radeon X800 with free xorg drivers |
| 17:25.39 | JeffM | it's possible those drivers got thrown into an invalid state |
| 17:25.49 | JeffM | but the error you posted is from driver level X stuff |
| 17:26.19 | JeffM | using -window and -geometry will force it to start in a window at that res |
| 17:26.42 | libervisco | well that worked |
| 17:27.03 | libervisco | I guess it did that cause I manually resized the bzflag window |
| 17:27.18 | JeffM | I've seen the free ATI drivers get thrown into wiered modes |
| 17:27.25 | libervisco | considering that I apparently can't get better video capturing performance when screencasting it on a larger space |
| 17:27.31 | JeffM | they report a mode that they don't actualy support |
| 17:27.45 | libervisco | and that's on Intel Core 2 Duo with X800 card.. another thing that baffles me.. |
| 17:28.01 | JeffM | well your drivers may not be accelerating it all 100% |
| 17:28.15 | JeffM | the free drives try, but don't always get all the stuff for every chipset |
| 17:28.50 | libervisco | eh I know.. but I've seen better screencasting performance on worse hardware before.. |
| 17:29.55 | libervisco | Anyway, thanks JeffM |
| 17:39.13 | brlcad | JeffM: libirc inquiry came in: http://pastebin.com/m5503754b |
| 17:39.30 | brlcad | hadn't looked at it yet |
| 17:39.45 | JeffM | wow |
| 17:39.50 | JeffM | someone uses it? |
| 17:40.05 | brlcad | heh yeah |
| 17:40.39 | JeffM | I'd have to see there client code and try to dupe it |
| 17:41.00 | brlcad | it happens on depart apparently |
| 17:41.05 | JeffM | oh |
| 17:41.11 | JeffM | yeah, l43mr found that |
| 17:41.17 | JeffM | I thought I fixed it |
| 17:43.46 | JeffM | there was a change on aug. 20th to the IRCUserManager.cpp to fix that |
| 17:44.29 | JeffM | tho that's in the destructor for the record. |
| 17:45.29 | JeffM | must be the standard map stuff, it's part of a pair |
| 17:45.36 | JeffM | I'm guessing older code maybe |
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| 17:45.52 | JeffM | other then that, I'd need a sample to try |
| 17:46.22 | JeffM | cus I was able to part just fine in my tests for chris, and he had the same issue |
| 17:47.34 | brlcad | yeah, looks like it |
| 17:49.50 | brlcad | woot, they might let me keep/match the bandwidth |
| 17:49.54 | brlcad | then it's a no-brainer |
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| 18:12.30 | libervisco | How to change who you're spectating in observer mode? |
| 18:12.56 | whodaman- | F6 |
| 18:13.05 | libervisco | Or override view of the observed player.. cause they hot shots disable all buildings and stuff which isn't very impressive on the video.. :P |
| 18:14.11 | libervisco | they all disable the full view.. :S |
| 18:14.28 | JeffM | what exactly do you want to do? |
| 18:14.53 | libervisco | record a video of bzflag for the tourney promo.. |
| 18:15.27 | JeffM | I gathered that, but what observer controlls arnt' you finding? |
| 18:15.42 | JeffM | there are a couple modes you can cycle through |
| 18:15.48 | libervisco | right now.. just to override the view mode.. |
| 18:15.51 | libervisco | How? |
| 18:16.37 | JeffM | F8 cycles the roam type |
| 18:17.17 | libervisco | Oh.. that's better. :) |
| 18:18.07 | libervisco | hm but what when they disable viewing of buildings leaving just the ground and shadows? |
| 18:18.25 | JeffM | huh? |
| 18:18.30 | ruskie | erm.. |
| 18:18.34 | JeffM | there is no mode that turns off buildings |
| 18:18.43 | JeffM | if your not seeing buildings, you have video driver issues |
| 18:18.56 | libervisco | I sometimes do sometimes don't.. |
| 18:18.59 | JeffM | I think you should check your driver to make sure you have the current one |
| 18:19.08 | JeffM | it sounds like your open GL implemenation is faluty |
| 18:19.26 | JeffM | you may also wish to look at the real drivers from ATI, some users have a better expreience with them. |
| 18:19.32 | JeffM | and I belive the X800 is suported. |
| 18:19.33 | libervisco | I have whatever xorg driver is in Ubuntu Feisty xorg.. this has always worked properly |
| 18:19.45 | JeffM | obviously not, as it's failing now |
| 18:19.53 | JeffM | our software didn't reocmpile itself |
| 18:19.56 | ruskie | could be gpu failing? |
| 18:20.02 | JeffM | have you updated any packages recently |
| 18:20.02 | libervisco | I see buildings now |
| 18:20.30 | libervisco | I don't think it's the driver |
| 18:20.34 | JeffM | it is |
| 18:20.41 | JeffM | we tell openGL to draw the buildings every frame |
| 18:20.47 | libervisco | Why do I see them properly now? |
| 18:20.53 | JeffM | cus your driver is buggy |
| 18:20.57 | libervisco | meh |
| 18:21.17 | JeffM | yeah you know, we put random code in there to make the buildings go on and off |
| 18:21.25 | ruskie | :) |
| 18:21.28 | JeffM | for 15 years now, noone has complained |
| 18:21.38 | ruskie | what's to complain :) |
| 18:21.39 | libervisco | Sorry if I seem a bit frustrated (I am), but Linux sometimes just makes me want to rip my hair off.. |
| 18:21.43 | ruskie | it makes the game more interesting :) |
| 18:21.48 | JeffM | it's your choice to use |
| 18:21.56 | ruskie | lol... |
| 18:22.02 | JeffM | I've never had good luck with the DRI (xorg free driver ) and ATI cards |
| 18:22.11 | libervisco | It's great as long as you don't do anything exotic.. like ... screencast! |
| 18:22.15 | JeffM | I've always used the drivers from the chipset manfuactures |
| 18:22.15 | ruskie | I think I never had a rip-my-hair out ment with linux |
| 18:22.21 | libervisco | then buildings start disappearing :D |
| 18:22.25 | ruskie | JeffM, amazingly I have just the opposite |
| 18:22.27 | JeffM | that woudl be your driver geeking |
| 18:22.42 | JeffM | ruskie, well I also try to stay away from ATI as well |
| 18:22.55 | JeffM | my X1300 was only able to run on the ATI drivers |
| 18:22.55 | ruskie | to each his own :) |
| 18:23.03 | ruskie | well that's easy... |
| 18:23.11 | ruskie | it was unsuppotred by any DRI drivers |
| 18:23.12 | JeffM | but yeah, DRI can be buggy on some cards, its' known to happen |
| 18:23.22 | ruskie | and still is mostly... |
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| 18:23.32 | ruskie | but now that amd open sourced the 2d stuff and opened up the 3d specs... |
| 18:23.47 | JeffM | sure, in a year when they have it down it'l lbe better |
| 18:23.58 | JeffM | ATI needs help in the driver deptartment |
| 18:24.07 | JeffM | so it'll be a good thing for them. |
| 18:24.24 | ruskie | but basicaly I'm just waiting for the open graphics cards.. |
| 18:24.37 | JeffM | libervisco, seriously, check if there is newer drivers for your system. |
| 18:24.49 | JeffM | ruskie, have fun wating ;) |
| 18:24.51 | ruskie | I have a spare r9250 in case my current one goes but other than that I won't be buying anything newer anytime soon |
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| 18:25.38 | JeffM | libervisco, or go to full mesa |
| 18:25.39 | libervisco | JeffM, I'll get new ones with Gutsy.. the thing is they always just work if the game is supported and I never had issues with bzflag before |
| 18:25.45 | libervisco | so I just assumed it's a feature :P |
| 18:26.11 | ruskie | JeffM, well if amd will get decent Free drivers into mesalib dri then I might get some more up-to-date card(limited to agp though) |
| 18:26.16 | libervisco | though I never seen it happen before by itself so this time I assumed it's the player I'm observing which is changing view modes |
| 18:26.27 | libervisco | so that he can make buildings completely transparent |
| 18:26.29 | ruskie | since I won't be upgrading this box until it fails... |
| 18:27.47 | ruskie | and by fail I mean that I won't be able to fixup the old board with more or less the same setup that has it's capacitors fried :) |
| 18:28.24 | libervisco | Anyway it seems to work ok now.. recorded some nice shots.. |
| 18:30.07 | JeffM | libervisco, the player your observing can't change your vide |
| 18:30.09 | JeffM | view |
| 18:30.16 | JeffM | they don't know they are being observed |
| 18:30.31 | JeffM | and there is no mode that turns off buildings, that would be a huge cheat |
| 18:30.51 | libervisco | Yeah, I thought I can see them changing their own views.. |
| 18:31.05 | libervisco | and it's not that buildings are off the map, just become invisible |
| 18:31.22 | JeffM | yeah that's just GL bugs |
| 18:31.28 | JeffM | that would not be a good "feature" |
| 18:31.33 | libervisco | ok :) |
| 18:31.46 | JeffM | perhaps you shoudl learn a little more aobut how the game works before seting up a tournament for it. |
| 18:32.02 | JeffM | unless you want it to be runied by cheating |
| 18:33.11 | libervisco | well that's a good point but we'll probably have quite a few games and the servers are hosted by guys who are already hosting servers for a while |
| 18:33.43 | JeffM | probably? you haven't worked this out? |
| 18:33.50 | JeffM | wow, your in for a suprise:) |
| 18:33.52 | JeffM | good luck |
| 18:34.20 | libervisco | We will have multiple games.. it depends on the final amount of people and their specified preferences which exactly, don't be so skeptical. |
| 18:34.41 | ruskie | lol |
| 18:34.45 | libervisco | I know we will have OpenArena, Nexuiz, Tremulous and *very likely* BZFlag |
| 18:35.04 | ruskie | so 3 fps like games and one completly different from it... |
| 18:35.12 | libervisco | Under consideration is also Armagetron Advanced since there have been at least couple of players who specified it. |
| 18:35.31 | ruskie | offline or online tournament btw... |
| 18:35.52 | libervisco | ruskie, that's the point, isn't it? It's not about one game or one type of game, but multitude of Free Software games.. |
| 18:36.02 | libervisco | not all players will play all games |
| 18:36.14 | ruskie | so you will run all those game without their non-Free anti-cheat methods? |
| 18:36.27 | ruskie | those that have such... |
| 18:37.14 | libervisco | I'm not going to run them alone, that's why we partnered with Cluenet, and I'm not sure about those anti-cheat methods. |
| 18:37.24 | libervisco | We will establish some rules though, of course. |
| 18:37.40 | ruskie | some so called Free Software games include non-Free anti-cheat libs |
| 18:38.06 | libervisco | alright |
| 18:38.28 | libervisco | I'll bring that up on our forums, but I think those should be fine as an exception. |
| 18:45.17 | ruskie | hmm would be nice to get a /playerinfo command that would display various info and stats about a player... i.e. how long their currint session has been active, all the kill, flag use, etc stats... and such |
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| 18:47.30 | libervisco | Hi Suspect |
| 18:48.26 | libervisco | There's a guy from Cluenet. :P |
| 18:52.51 | Suspect | Hey libervisco :P |
| 18:53.16 | libervisco | oh :) |
| 18:53.36 | Suspect | Seeing as I'm not a developer/can't code I usually just watch :p |
| 18:53.37 | libervisco | I was just nagging about some issues while recording bzflag videos :P |
| 18:53.51 | Suspect | I see :p |
| 18:54.20 | libervisco | Ended up with some nice material after all so I think we'll have that second promo video. :P |
| 18:54.54 | Suspect | Woot lol |
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| 19:34.12 | Partyman1 | hi |
| 19:34.31 | tannerld | hello |
| 19:40.05 | JeffM | libervisco, I highly recomend that you get some good admins, who know what to look for. Cheating can get prety bad with BZ |
| 19:41.53 | Winny | delete: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11545 |
| 19:42.08 | JeffM | too slow |
| 19:42.32 | Winny | damn |
| 19:44.03 | JeffM | you get any more time to test the super logger? |
| 19:44.51 | libervisco | JeffM, any recommendations? :) |
| 19:45.33 | JeffM | get to know a server owner or 7 |
| 19:45.48 | JeffM | I'd go talk with the owners of the guleauge |
| 19:46.17 | JeffM | in my opinion they have the most consistent long standing league that is the best maintained and admined. |
| 19:46.56 | JeffM | and no mater what require global registration for your games. |
| 19:47.01 | JeffM | specialy if there are prizes |
| 19:47.19 | libervisco | Where can I contact them? |
| 19:47.42 | libervisco | Although Cluenet agreed to host it already (they also run a bzflag server) |
| 19:47.45 | Winny | JeffM: yeah, but Im having toruble getting it to crash |
| 19:47.58 | JeffM | libervisco, ##guleague |
| 19:48.24 | libervisco | Thanks. |
| 19:48.25 | JeffM | well even if they run a bzflag server, that dosn't mean it's administred |
| 19:48.38 | libervisco | Yeah.. |
| 19:48.43 | JeffM | we have over 200 servers, most are not activly admined |
| 19:48.49 | JeffM | ibot bzfls |
| 19:48.50 | ibot | well, bzfls is the BZFlag List Server |
| 19:48.54 | JeffM | bahh |
| 19:49.06 | JeffM | what's the command to get the report? |
| 19:49.25 | Tedius | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.29 | Tedius | doh |
| 19:49.31 | Winny | JeffM: it should be outputting "Address::Address(Address)", right? |
| 19:49.36 | JeffM | yeah |
| 19:49.39 | Winny | k |
| 19:49.47 | whodaman- | Tedius, :P |
| 19:49.49 | JeffM | the important part will be how many of those and what one it craps out on |
| 19:59.09 | Erroneous | ibot bzflist |
| 20:13.29 | JeffM | finaly, more players then servers :) |
| 20:13.44 | whodaman- | JeffM, :D |
| 20:13.44 | JeffM | assuming those are all real players |
| 20:25.58 | Erroneous | I'm sure they're not |
| 20:30.40 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:36.21 | Tupone | dice ? |
| 20:37.05 | brlcad | job site |
| 20:37.27 | JeffM | anyone ever use one of those external notebook bateries? |
| 20:37.42 | brlcad | not in like 8 years.. |
| 20:38.16 | brlcad | but used a few back in the day, the ones that attach to the base and fatten it up, increase the weight, and are overall a pita to lug around? :) |
| 20:38.34 | JeffM | APC has a small one that I could keep in the bag |
| 20:38.50 | JeffM | finding gateway bateries localy seems to be a PITA |
| 20:39.14 | JeffM | and I'm somewhat considering replacing the laptop, so I don't want to get anything that is specific for it. |
| 20:39.34 | brlcad | I just buy extra batteries |
| 20:39.42 | brlcad | most new laptops allow for a quick hot-swap |
| 20:40.08 | JeffM | if I get a non gateway, those bateries will be useless after ;) |
| 20:40.57 | brlcad | yeah, but then you're just as likely that the battery will be dead/unusable by then anyways |
| 20:41.16 | JeffM | no, I'm looking at replacing the laptop SOON |
| 20:41.21 | brlcad | you're not really going to get more than 3-4 years out of any battery that is actively used |
| 20:41.29 | JeffM | before the end of the year |
| 20:41.35 | JeffM | I need a higher res display |
| 20:41.37 | brlcad | ah, so screw it and just wait :) |
| 20:41.41 | brlcad | suffer for the short term :) |
| 20:41.42 | JeffM | I'm using it a lot more then I expected |
| 20:42.02 | brlcad | or get work to buy you a new one |
| 20:42.07 | JeffM | well I'm also wondering if I can use the external batery to power a charger for RC plane bateries :) |
| 20:42.17 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:42.18 | JeffM | I don't travel for work enough to warrant a laptop |
| 20:47.22 | JeffM | and suffering dosnt' get me the power I need/want for this weekend ;) |
| 20:49.23 | brlcad | yeah.. I'll be bringing a couple batteries with me for the flight alone |
| 20:49.40 | brlcad | maybe even set up the new laptop to get the high-res display action going |
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| 20:51.47 | JeffM | the gateway I got was a good deal at the time, I just shoudl have waited and got a beefier one if I had known how much I'd be using it |
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| 21:00.21 | tannerld | woah |
| 21:00.55 | tannerld | lasermania is #1 on the list |
| 21:01.05 | whodaman- | yea i know |
| 21:01.09 | whodaman- | saw that earlier |
| 21:11.58 | Thumper_ | ~bzflist |
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| 21:18.17 | Winny | anyone else notice the serverlist takes about 20 sec to load? |
| 21:18.33 | blast007 | Winny: no |
| 21:18.49 | JeffM | if your using the loging version, it will be slower for you |
| 21:19.08 | Winny | oh |
| 21:19.12 | Winny | that explains it :p |
| 21:19.27 | JeffM | it's loging out every single address lookup |
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| 21:23.49 | Tupone | Winny: have you found bzflag problem that affect you? |
| 21:24.31 | Winny | JeffM: something to do with DNS lookup? I don't remember. |
| 21:25.29 | JeffM | well we don't know that for sure |
| 21:25.38 | JeffM | the evedence points to that |
| 21:26.04 | JeffM | but I havent' seen the logs of a crash with the new loging I put into the dns lookup part |
| 21:26.30 | JeffM | Tupone, I gave him a new loging version that logs the hell out of the constructors for the address class, as that's where it looked like it died before. |
| 21:26.43 | JeffM | but he hasn't been able to make that have the problem. |
| 21:26.59 | Winny | it seems the more time it spends, the less it crashes |
| 21:27.09 | JeffM | perhaps |
| 21:27.15 | JeffM | if packetloss is the issue |
| 21:27.27 | JeffM | more time may let ares do more retransmits |
| 21:27.46 | JeffM | perhaps you should run other traffic on the connection in an atempt to flood it out to increase packet loss |
| 21:28.11 | Tupone | and is not ares? JeffM were you able to link with the newer ares version, the one in trunk? Has been tested? |
| 21:28.13 | JeffM | otherwise, it's looking like you'll have to instal VC8EE do a build. |
| 21:28.21 | JeffM | Tupone, that's what he's using now |
| 21:28.25 | JeffM | and has been for a bit |
| 21:28.37 | JeffM | he got the problem in an eariler build with the new ares |
| 21:28.44 | JeffM | before I added the full blown loging |
| 21:29.19 | JeffM | I had a build with new ares for him within an hour of when we discussed it IIRC> |
| 21:31.46 | Tupone | I could not find Legolas anymore, the one with MacOSX crashing :( |
| 21:32.06 | JeffM | a_meteorite had the same issue IIRC |
| 21:32.17 | Tupone | and is fixed? |
| 21:32.21 | JeffM | I don't know |
| 21:32.22 | a_meteorite | hmm? |
| 21:32.32 | JeffM | was the RC build you had crashing? |
| 21:32.50 | a_meteorite | brlcad never gave me his build, but my own build crashes still |
| 21:32.51 | JeffM | after you removed your third party curl |
| 21:32.57 | a_meteorite | yeah, still crashes |
| 21:32.59 | JeffM | did you ask brlcad to do so? |
| 21:33.03 | a_meteorite | I asked, yes |
| 21:33.15 | JeffM | brlcad, why have you not given a_meteorite a build? |
| 21:33.41 | a_meteorite | he looked at the backtrace, said that it was an SDL input problem or something |
| 21:34.13 | JeffM | well then his build should work cus SDL is packed inside his build |
| 21:34.15 | a_meteorite | and it's linking to a different version than I downloaded (no idea, why, I just know the only SDL I have is the SDL I downloaded from their site) |
| 21:34.16 | JeffM | you have current SDL? |
| 21:34.20 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 21:34.30 | JeffM | well then still the best thing is to get his build. |
| 21:35.09 | a_meteorite | I would love to try it and see what happens |
| 21:37.56 | JeffM | we'll just have to bug him till he makes it |
| 21:38.00 | JeffM | won't we brlcad |
| 21:38.05 | JeffM | cus brlcad loves to help |
| 21:38.11 | JeffM | in his brlcad type way |
| 21:38.23 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 21:38.42 | a_meteorite | we still love you brlcad :) |
| 21:39.42 | Winny | you once didn't love him? ;p |
| 21:39.58 | a_meteorite | of course not, just reminding him :P |
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| 22:03.26 | Winny | its christmas in.. er, October! |
| 22:03.39 | brlcad | i've not given him the build because he only asked once *ahem* :) |
| 22:03.57 | brlcad | i still blame his sdl |
| 22:04.24 | brlcad | but yeah, a_meteorite .. you gotta bug me if you want it to be a priority ... |
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| 22:35.14 | JeffM | well you imbed the sdl framework in the .app right brlcad ? |
| 22:36.12 | brlcad | yep |
| 22:36.20 | brlcad | btw, tiffany processed mine today |
| 22:36.23 | JeffM | so if you send him your build, it'll use your SDL |
| 22:36.44 | JeffM | ahh I got mine as well |
| 22:37.16 | JeffM | how did you find a western union near you? |
| 22:51.25 | brlcad | oh, I've used WU for years internationally .. they're all over the place .. just about any large-chain supermarket usually has one at the customer service desk |
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| 23:01.58 | Pimpi_ | anyone elsehaving problems with snakes11/bender? |
| 23:02.25 | ShadowSpectre | All the time. Snakes is a less than lusterous ledgend |
| 23:03.27 | Pimpi_ | well, it seems he/she/it has static ip, should be banned most everywhere by now, no? |
| 23:03.29 | ShadowSpectre | What's the problem? Teamkilling? Cheating? |
| 23:03.34 | Pimpi_ | ty'ing |
| 23:03.39 | Pimpi_ | tk'ing |
| 23:03.59 | ShadowSpectre | might be using a proxy. |
| 23:08.32 | a_meteorite | please PM me the IP |
| 23:09.12 | ShadowSpectre | hey meteorite, I guess the server went belly up again? |
| 23:09.34 | a_meteorite | yup :( |
| 23:09.41 | a_meteorite | we opened a ticket last night |
| 23:10.00 | ShadowSpectre | software or hardware you think? |
| 23:10.29 | a_meteorite | definitely hardware |
| 23:10.39 | a_meteorite | it's a network problem in fact |
| 23:10.51 | a_meteorite | can't do any outgoing connections (but we can login with SSH and such) |
| 23:11.03 | ShadowSpectre | Very odd. I left about 12:30am EST and had a great game. Me and Bisque were slugging it out |
| 23:11.19 | a_meteorite | it went down a bit after that |
| 23:11.28 | a_meteorite | like, oh, 10:30pm I think |
| 23:11.36 | ShadowSpectre | you're CST? |
| 23:11.37 | a_meteorite | or 11:30 |
| 23:11.40 | ShadowSpectre | or MST? |
| 23:11.41 | a_meteorite | PDT |
| 23:11.55 | ShadowSpectre | Maybe I left earlier that I thought |
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