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00:00.00Supaplextime to FRAG!
00:00.29MacrosoftSupaplex: defrag, you mean?
00:07.23Macrosoftaww... its not in the package list
00:07.43Macrosofti dont wanna build from source
00:08.52Constitutionyou could always... wait?
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01:07.07RC_cola!ping menotume
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03:24.30Constitutionwhat's an appropriate maximum value to lagwarn?
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03:24.47Constitutionright now it's limited to 1 character, or 9, due to how it's handled in the source
03:27.44JeffM5k
03:29.52Constitutionhm, 5,000... once per minute... so laggers will be kicked after 83 hours or 3.47 days? :D
03:30.47JeffMoh max number of warnings?
03:30.53JeffM9 is FINE
03:30.56Constitutionk
03:30.57JeffM2-3 will be common
03:31.19Constitutionthe problem as it stands now is that people who use, say, 12, will get a lagwarn of 1, since only the first character is considered
03:31.27Constitutionworking on a ifx
03:31.29Constitution*a fix
03:31.37JeffMahh
03:31.51JeffMwell ether cap it, or throw a warning when it's set
03:32.14Constitutionk
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03:51.05Legolas_Hey guys
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04:04.39Legolas_hello constitution
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04:09.58Legolas__If I were to try and get the latest build 2.0.10 build from SVN, what command would i use? (ie.  What is the project name for 2.0.10)
04:13.20Constitutionhi Legolas__
04:13.22blast007there isn't a 2.0.10 yet, but there is a 2.0.10RC1
04:13.36blast007if you want the latest 2.0.x, just grab the v2_0branch like normal
04:13.47Legolas__v2_0branch? ok.
04:13.59blast007otherwise, if you want the exact code for 2.0.10RC1, there are source tars for that linked on the forum
04:14.04Constitutionv2_0branch in SVN is basically 2.0.10RC1, plus a few fixes we've incorporated since then
04:14.17JeffMit will be rc2
04:14.30Legolas__When will the mac build come out?
04:14.40JeffMwhen it's built
04:14.40blast007Legolas__: when you build it. Done yet?
04:14.50Legolas__Blast : going to right now
04:14.54blast007hehe ;)
04:14.58JeffMLegolas__: do you KNOW what an "RC" is?
04:15.51brlcadit's a Rebel Chikorita!
04:15.56blast007:)
04:17.54Legolas__svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag
04:17.54Legolas__right?
04:18.07Constitutionlooks good
04:18.09JeffMis that what the svn wiki says?
04:18.16Legolas__probably.
04:18.22Constitution~bz20svn
04:18.23ibothmm... bz20svn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/ bzflag
04:18.41Constitutionhmm, I think there should not be a space there...
04:18.54blast007Constitution: no, there should be
04:19.00Legolas__its working 'with' the space
04:19.08Constitution~no, bz20svn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag
04:19.10blast007the first part is the URL, the second part is what directory it creates to check out with
04:19.21blast007..
04:19.38blast007hmm
04:19.46ConstitutionLegolas__: it would probably still work, but it would check out the v2_0branch dir, rather than the bzflag dir
04:19.52blast007actually it could use an addition 'bzflag' at the end I guess
04:20.03Constitutionoh
04:20.11blast007not sure it matters though
04:20.16blast007I just always put that on
04:20.29Constitutionblast007: oops, misread you, thought you were agreeing with me at first :P
04:20.40blast007I was wrong anyway
04:20.45blast007it did have an extra space
04:21.05Constitutionheh
04:21.24blast007my eyes are starting to get blurry by this time of night  ;)
04:21.43Constitutionwell then...
04:21.58Constitutionibot: no, bz20svn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag
04:21.59ibotokay, Constitution
04:22.05Constitution~bz20svn
04:22.06ibotit has been said that bz20svn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag
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06:18.46ConstitutionFYI, the latest SDL framework on the mac (1.2.12) seems slightly buggy... Legolas_ and I just tried it, and it crashed on both of us
08:12.02CIA-24BZFlag: 03macsforme * r15925 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: Apply SF patch 1671253 from kahcepb (with some modifications), basic input validation for /*warn and /*drop.
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11:26.30delusionalwhat's the syntax for packetlossdrop?  i have seen players kicked for packetloss, but I don't have it specified anywhere.     this is with bzfs2.0.9  compiled sep 3
11:26.55delusional<PROTECTED>
11:42.04Thumper_delusional: blast007 also reported kicks without packetlosskick enabled
11:42.19Thumper_I'll build you a current bzfs to try - if it still kicks by default that's a bug
11:42.32Thumper_and it needs to be fixed before we release
11:51.18delusionalnthankyou thumper
11:51.53delusionala hardcoded kick isnt that bad an idea, if you ask me
11:52.07Thumper_unless it kicks everyone
11:52.22delusionalmake the limit high, and lots of warns
11:52.44delusionaltell me the correct syntax, once it's settled
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14:39.40Legolas_Hi guys, I was building the latest SVN trunk, got a few bugs when playing the game, so deleted the folder (bzflag /svn's folder) and now my bzflag wont play..
14:42.25Legolas_ah, when  running from terminal it gave me : no fonts found, so i used -directory and it worked.  Why doesnt it work without that?
14:45.34gsneddersManu, Pimpinella: Viper's is ridiculously slow (and empty)
14:54.00Manugsnedders: slow? I can't see nothing wrong
14:58.19Pimpinellajust ordinary lag spikes, i wrote to the provider again today
15:01.12Manuguten tag Pimpinella :)
15:01.27Pimpinellabuenos dias Manu
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16:07.36JeffMwhat do we have that is mozilla public license?
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16:26.04Thumper_JeffM: FYI: the trunk test server I'm running is ill. plugins fail to load.  http://bzflag.bzflag3.norang.ca/bzfs.log
16:26.16Thumper_the log is the current daily raw log from the server
16:26.29Thumper_in case you ever want to look at that
16:27.18JeffMwierd
16:27.32JeffMmaybe the plugin was not rebuilt?
16:27.56JeffMcus the HTTP server is part of the plug-in utils static lib
16:28.03JeffMthat it should link on build
16:28.13JeffMmaybe it it's not linking it static
16:28.20JeffMand trying to do dyanmic and it can't find it'
16:28.41JeffMI would show the log to brclad, he may know more about how those are suposed to build and link
16:29.09Thumper_ok - it's supposed to be doing a full clean rebuild everyday
16:29.20Thumper_not sure if anything changed in plugin utils recently
16:29.27JeffMthe build system for trunk has been redone a LOT
16:29.51JeffMso it's very possible linking in the utils lib may have been done dynamic not static, and that'd be an oversight
16:29.56JeffMon windows I have it linking static
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17:16.41TediusDo unused vertices in bzw affect the efficiency of the rendering of objects?
17:18.09TediusLike what if I made a mesh and put in a bunch of "vertex 0 0 0" to line up my index better, then made a thousand groups of that mesh?
17:20.00bryjenthe plugin-utils makes a static lib for me on linux.
17:22.53bryjenhmm, type V.  You're symbol is weak, old man ;)
17:26.54bryjenargh
17:27.00bryjens/You're/Your/
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17:32.07Thumper_bryjen: I'm not sure what changed in the last few days that causes this though - I'll ask brlcad later
17:42.07Thumper_hmmm the webstats plugin shrunk a lot from Sep 19 to 20th.  258K -> 74K
17:45.33Thumper_basically anything that uses plugin_utils dropped drastically in size
17:45.52Thumper_JeffM: is the httpTest plugin supposed to be part of the build?
17:50.17TediusI added 100 dummy points to my 1200 spinning coins with no apparent performance difference
17:53.31Thumper_found it - just building to verify
17:54.47Thumper_the plugin_utils library is effectively empty on linux methinks
18:02.29bryjenheh. mine was many kb, until i did make clean; make. and now its 8 bytes :/
18:02.42Thumper_heh
18:02.50Thumper_about to commit the fix
18:04.05bryjenah-hah, a missing \
18:04.09Thumper_yup
18:05.54CIA-24BZFlag: 03bthansen * r15926 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/plugin_utils/Makefile.am: Fix plugin_utils build dependencies so we actually include something :)
18:07.25Thumper_http://bzflag3.norang.ca:10000/webstats all better :)
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18:16.09CIA-24BZFlag: 03bryjen * r15927 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/webstats/statTemplates.cpp: correct no players message
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19:03.03EpyonDarn it.
19:03.12EpyonI have a 2 inch spider on the ceiling o.O
19:03.19EpyonAlmost right above my head O.o
19:03.40Winnyewwww
19:03.48KTLHIDE THE BEAR!
19:03.50KTLhier
19:03.53KTLbeer
19:04.03Thumper_Epyon: launch a nice heavy book at it
19:04.23WinnyThumper_: that just knocks it down, and sends it AT you
19:04.31Thumper_Winny: so have a spare book ready
19:04.38Winnyhehe
19:04.57EpyonThumper_, I'd never kill a spider
19:05.29EpyonThey're very helpful killing those nasty flies and mosqitoes
19:05.34Thumper_Epyon: then stick a jar over it and relocate it :)
19:05.46Thumper_birds and bats are much more effective against mosquitoes
19:05.47Winnybut yet realy gross
19:05.55EpyonIt's just that it's so big, and right above my head and I feel a little uncomfortable :/
19:06.12KTLyou could relocate it :)
19:06.19EpyonThumper_, having a bat on your rooms ceiling would be... a little wierd :P
19:06.38Thumper_Epyon: true...but then I don't have mosquitoes INSIDE my room
19:07.37Thumper_bats are cool.
19:07.38EpyonThumper_, that's one of the faults of living in Wroclaw. There's as much mosqitoes here as near the Canadian lakes in summer -_-
19:08.03WinnyI found a simple solution to mosquitos... never EVER leave your computer
19:08.10KTLthe capital of the historical region of Lower Silesia in southwestern Poland
19:08.22tannerldWinny: camping is easier that way
19:09.04EpyonKTL, wow. Admit - you Wikied it :P
19:09.39Epyonheh, I'm not additcted, but I usualy check wp BEFORE google :P
19:09.41Winnywordpress? :p
19:09.48KTLwikipedia!!!
19:09.49EpyonIn most cases at least
19:11.08KTLit was german before wo2
19:11.21KTLno?
19:11.27EpyonWorld Order 2? :P
19:11.34KTLww
19:11.39EpyonYep. But it was originaly polish
19:11.47KTLah in dutch it is wereld oorlog, world War
19:12.00EpyonThat is it was in the original boundaries of Poland, when Poland became a country.
19:13.49Winnyclogs
19:14.03Winnydutch people wore clogs :p
19:16.53whodaman-lol
19:21.21KTLklompen!
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19:46.12tannerld~Tedius++
19:46.44Tedius:)
19:46.48SpazzyMcGee~Tedius++
19:47.08delusional~tedius++
19:47.34JeffMThumper_, so it was a link issues?
19:48.06Tedius~delusional+=10
19:48.14Tedius~delusional++
19:50.53Thumper_JeffM: not really - the list of sources for the plugin_utils library was empty
19:51.17JeffMahh
19:51.20JeffMthat would suck
19:51.27Thumper_since the line continuation char was missing
19:51.41Thumper_well it made for real small plugins :)
19:51.45JeffMsilly make files
19:58.32TuponeIs there a critical bug list for 2.0.10?
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20:04.25Thumper_Tupone: don't think so.  We're not sure if the server packetlosswarn/kick stuff works correctly or not yet - that's the only issue I'm aware of
20:06.03Tuponedoes a packet loss raise the counters of both packetloss and lag ?
20:06.34Thumper_I think it's supposed to be optional and it's possibly active when no commandline args are given
20:06.56Thumper_we should have more info in a day or two - lots of servers went to RC1 today
20:07.34Tuponewell just thinking about a packet loss should be not considered a lag
20:07.55delusionalit seems to be kicking correctly, but shouldnt be enabled by default
20:08.09Thumper_I think they're supposed to be separate - I haven't looked a the packetloss code in detail
20:12.57TuponeJust remembered to have read a loss and lag happening together
20:14.04Tuponea loss is, I think, a jump in the sequence number. Maybe receipt of the ooo packet give a lag
20:14.14Tuponetoo
20:30.10CIA-24BZFlag: 03atupone * r15928 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/configure.ac: This is a 2.0.10rc1!!! at least rename the distributed files
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20:35.51JeffMRC2 will be the next one actualy
20:39.27Tuponeyeah, I just meant to change the name for the old one
20:39.45JeffMwe should do an RC2 soon
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21:13.38rk_crHello all.
21:14.01rk_crI've got a question that I just can't seem to find an answer to on the wiki nor the forums (been searching for a bit), if anyone is willing to help.
21:14.47rk_crIs there a way to switch teams in game, without reconnecting?
21:14.54Tuponenope
21:15.02rk_crAh, that's too bad.
21:15.08rk_crWell, thanks for the help.
21:15.09Tupone~pw
21:15.09ibothmm... patches welcome is a common response by maintainers of Open Source products. It's roughly means "We don't have much time on our hands, so if you write that feature and send it to us we will likely roll it in. If you don't have the time to write it, we don't either. Stop asking for it."
21:15.43rk_crHeh, will think about it.
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