00:00.00 | Supaplex | time to FRAG! |
00:00.29 | Macrosoft | Supaplex: defrag, you mean? |
00:07.23 | Macrosoft | aww... its not in the package list |
00:07.43 | Macrosoft | i dont wanna build from source |
00:08.52 | Constitution | you could always... wait? |
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01:07.07 | RC_cola | !ping menotume |
01:07.14 | RC_cola | =P |
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03:24.30 | Constitution | what's an appropriate maximum value to lagwarn? |
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03:24.47 | Constitution | right now it's limited to 1 character, or 9, due to how it's handled in the source |
03:27.44 | JeffM | 5k |
03:29.52 | Constitution | hm, 5,000... once per minute... so laggers will be kicked after 83 hours or 3.47 days? :D |
03:30.47 | JeffM | oh max number of warnings? |
03:30.53 | JeffM | 9 is FINE |
03:30.56 | Constitution | k |
03:30.57 | JeffM | 2-3 will be common |
03:31.19 | Constitution | the problem as it stands now is that people who use, say, 12, will get a lagwarn of 1, since only the first character is considered |
03:31.27 | Constitution | working on a ifx |
03:31.29 | Constitution | *a fix |
03:31.37 | JeffM | ahh |
03:31.51 | JeffM | well ether cap it, or throw a warning when it's set |
03:32.14 | Constitution | k |
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03:51.05 | Legolas_ | Hey guys |
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04:04.39 | Legolas_ | hello constitution |
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04:09.58 | Legolas__ | If I were to try and get the latest build 2.0.10 build from SVN, what command would i use? (ie. What is the project name for 2.0.10) |
04:13.20 | Constitution | hi Legolas__ |
04:13.22 | blast007 | there isn't a 2.0.10 yet, but there is a 2.0.10RC1 |
04:13.36 | blast007 | if you want the latest 2.0.x, just grab the v2_0branch like normal |
04:13.47 | Legolas__ | v2_0branch? ok. |
04:13.59 | blast007 | otherwise, if you want the exact code for 2.0.10RC1, there are source tars for that linked on the forum |
04:14.04 | Constitution | v2_0branch in SVN is basically 2.0.10RC1, plus a few fixes we've incorporated since then |
04:14.17 | JeffM | it will be rc2 |
04:14.30 | Legolas__ | When will the mac build come out? |
04:14.40 | JeffM | when it's built |
04:14.40 | blast007 | Legolas__: when you build it. Done yet? |
04:14.50 | Legolas__ | Blast : going to right now |
04:14.54 | blast007 | hehe ;) |
04:14.58 | JeffM | Legolas__: do you KNOW what an "RC" is? |
04:15.51 | brlcad | it's a Rebel Chikorita! |
04:15.56 | blast007 | :) |
04:17.54 | Legolas__ | svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag |
04:17.54 | Legolas__ | right? |
04:18.07 | Constitution | looks good |
04:18.09 | JeffM | is that what the svn wiki says? |
04:18.16 | Legolas__ | probably. |
04:18.22 | Constitution | ~bz20svn |
04:18.23 | ibot | hmm... bz20svn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/ bzflag |
04:18.41 | Constitution | hmm, I think there should not be a space there... |
04:18.54 | blast007 | Constitution: no, there should be |
04:19.00 | Legolas__ | its working 'with' the space |
04:19.08 | Constitution | ~no, bz20svn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag |
04:19.10 | blast007 | the first part is the URL, the second part is what directory it creates to check out with |
04:19.21 | blast007 | .. |
04:19.38 | blast007 | hmm |
04:19.46 | Constitution | Legolas__: it would probably still work, but it would check out the v2_0branch dir, rather than the bzflag dir |
04:19.52 | blast007 | actually it could use an addition 'bzflag' at the end I guess |
04:20.03 | Constitution | oh |
04:20.11 | blast007 | not sure it matters though |
04:20.16 | blast007 | I just always put that on |
04:20.29 | Constitution | blast007: oops, misread you, thought you were agreeing with me at first :P |
04:20.40 | blast007 | I was wrong anyway |
04:20.45 | blast007 | it did have an extra space |
04:21.05 | Constitution | heh |
04:21.24 | blast007 | my eyes are starting to get blurry by this time of night ;) |
04:21.43 | Constitution | well then... |
04:21.58 | Constitution | ibot: no, bz20svn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag |
04:21.59 | ibot | okay, Constitution |
04:22.05 | Constitution | ~bz20svn |
04:22.06 | ibot | it has been said that bz20svn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag |
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06:18.46 | Constitution | FYI, the latest SDL framework on the mac (1.2.12) seems slightly buggy... Legolas_ and I just tried it, and it crashed on both of us |
08:12.02 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r15925 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: Apply SF patch 1671253 from kahcepb (with some modifications), basic input validation for /*warn and /*drop. |
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11:26.30 | delusional | what's the syntax for packetlossdrop? i have seen players kicked for packetloss, but I don't have it specified anywhere. this is with bzfs2.0.9 compiled sep 3 |
11:26.55 | delusional | <PROTECTED> |
11:42.04 | Thumper_ | delusional: blast007 also reported kicks without packetlosskick enabled |
11:42.19 | Thumper_ | I'll build you a current bzfs to try - if it still kicks by default that's a bug |
11:42.32 | Thumper_ | and it needs to be fixed before we release |
11:51.18 | delusional | nthankyou thumper |
11:51.53 | delusional | a hardcoded kick isnt that bad an idea, if you ask me |
11:52.07 | Thumper_ | unless it kicks everyone |
11:52.22 | delusional | make the limit high, and lots of warns |
11:52.44 | delusional | tell me the correct syntax, once it's settled |
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14:39.40 | Legolas_ | Hi guys, I was building the latest SVN trunk, got a few bugs when playing the game, so deleted the folder (bzflag /svn's folder) and now my bzflag wont play.. |
14:42.25 | Legolas_ | ah, when running from terminal it gave me : no fonts found, so i used -directory and it worked. Why doesnt it work without that? |
14:45.34 | gsnedders | Manu, Pimpinella: Viper's is ridiculously slow (and empty) |
14:54.00 | Manu | gsnedders: slow? I can't see nothing wrong |
14:58.19 | Pimpinella | just ordinary lag spikes, i wrote to the provider again today |
15:01.12 | Manu | guten tag Pimpinella :) |
15:01.27 | Pimpinella | buenos dias Manu |
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16:07.36 | JeffM | what do we have that is mozilla public license? |
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16:26.04 | Thumper_ | JeffM: FYI: the trunk test server I'm running is ill. plugins fail to load. http://bzflag.bzflag3.norang.ca/bzfs.log |
16:26.16 | Thumper_ | the log is the current daily raw log from the server |
16:26.29 | Thumper_ | in case you ever want to look at that |
16:27.18 | JeffM | wierd |
16:27.32 | JeffM | maybe the plugin was not rebuilt? |
16:27.56 | JeffM | cus the HTTP server is part of the plug-in utils static lib |
16:28.03 | JeffM | that it should link on build |
16:28.13 | JeffM | maybe it it's not linking it static |
16:28.20 | JeffM | and trying to do dyanmic and it can't find it' |
16:28.41 | JeffM | I would show the log to brclad, he may know more about how those are suposed to build and link |
16:29.09 | Thumper_ | ok - it's supposed to be doing a full clean rebuild everyday |
16:29.20 | Thumper_ | not sure if anything changed in plugin utils recently |
16:29.27 | JeffM | the build system for trunk has been redone a LOT |
16:29.51 | JeffM | so it's very possible linking in the utils lib may have been done dynamic not static, and that'd be an oversight |
16:29.56 | JeffM | on windows I have it linking static |
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17:16.41 | Tedius | Do unused vertices in bzw affect the efficiency of the rendering of objects? |
17:18.09 | Tedius | Like what if I made a mesh and put in a bunch of "vertex 0 0 0" to line up my index better, then made a thousand groups of that mesh? |
17:20.00 | bryjen | the plugin-utils makes a static lib for me on linux. |
17:22.53 | bryjen | hmm, type V. You're symbol is weak, old man ;) |
17:26.54 | bryjen | argh |
17:27.00 | bryjen | s/You're/Your/ |
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17:32.07 | Thumper_ | bryjen: I'm not sure what changed in the last few days that causes this though - I'll ask brlcad later |
17:42.07 | Thumper_ | hmmm the webstats plugin shrunk a lot from Sep 19 to 20th. 258K -> 74K |
17:45.33 | Thumper_ | basically anything that uses plugin_utils dropped drastically in size |
17:45.52 | Thumper_ | JeffM: is the httpTest plugin supposed to be part of the build? |
17:50.17 | Tedius | I added 100 dummy points to my 1200 spinning coins with no apparent performance difference |
17:53.31 | Thumper_ | found it - just building to verify |
17:54.47 | Thumper_ | the plugin_utils library is effectively empty on linux methinks |
18:02.29 | bryjen | heh. mine was many kb, until i did make clean; make. and now its 8 bytes :/ |
18:02.42 | Thumper_ | heh |
18:02.50 | Thumper_ | about to commit the fix |
18:04.05 | bryjen | ah-hah, a missing \ |
18:04.09 | Thumper_ | yup |
18:05.54 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03bthansen * r15926 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/plugin_utils/Makefile.am: Fix plugin_utils build dependencies so we actually include something :) |
18:07.25 | Thumper_ | http://bzflag3.norang.ca:10000/webstats all better :) |
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19:03.03 | Epyon | Darn it. |
19:03.12 | Epyon | I have a 2 inch spider on the ceiling o.O |
19:03.19 | Epyon | Almost right above my head O.o |
19:03.40 | Winny | ewwww |
19:03.48 | KTL | HIDE THE BEAR! |
19:03.50 | KTL | hier |
19:03.53 | KTL | beer |
19:04.03 | Thumper_ | Epyon: launch a nice heavy book at it |
19:04.23 | Winny | Thumper_: that just knocks it down, and sends it AT you |
19:04.31 | Thumper_ | Winny: so have a spare book ready |
19:04.38 | Winny | hehe |
19:04.57 | Epyon | Thumper_, I'd never kill a spider |
19:05.29 | Epyon | They're very helpful killing those nasty flies and mosqitoes |
19:05.34 | Thumper_ | Epyon: then stick a jar over it and relocate it :) |
19:05.46 | Thumper_ | birds and bats are much more effective against mosquitoes |
19:05.47 | Winny | but yet realy gross |
19:05.55 | Epyon | It's just that it's so big, and right above my head and I feel a little uncomfortable :/ |
19:06.12 | KTL | you could relocate it :) |
19:06.19 | Epyon | Thumper_, having a bat on your rooms ceiling would be... a little wierd :P |
19:06.38 | Thumper_ | Epyon: true...but then I don't have mosquitoes INSIDE my room |
19:07.37 | Thumper_ | bats are cool. |
19:07.38 | Epyon | Thumper_, that's one of the faults of living in Wroclaw. There's as much mosqitoes here as near the Canadian lakes in summer -_- |
19:08.03 | Winny | I found a simple solution to mosquitos... never EVER leave your computer |
19:08.10 | KTL | the capital of the historical region of Lower Silesia in southwestern Poland |
19:08.22 | tannerld | Winny: camping is easier that way |
19:09.04 | Epyon | KTL, wow. Admit - you Wikied it :P |
19:09.39 | Epyon | heh, I'm not additcted, but I usualy check wp BEFORE google :P |
19:09.41 | Winny | wordpress? :p |
19:09.48 | KTL | wikipedia!!! |
19:09.49 | Epyon | In most cases at least |
19:11.08 | KTL | it was german before wo2 |
19:11.21 | KTL | no? |
19:11.27 | Epyon | World Order 2? :P |
19:11.34 | KTL | ww |
19:11.39 | Epyon | Yep. But it was originaly polish |
19:11.47 | KTL | ah in dutch it is wereld oorlog, world War |
19:12.00 | Epyon | That is it was in the original boundaries of Poland, when Poland became a country. |
19:13.49 | Winny | clogs |
19:14.03 | Winny | dutch people wore clogs :p |
19:16.53 | whodaman- | lol |
19:21.21 | KTL | klompen! |
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19:46.12 | tannerld | ~Tedius++ |
19:46.44 | Tedius | :) |
19:46.48 | SpazzyMcGee | ~Tedius++ |
19:47.08 | delusional | ~tedius++ |
19:47.34 | JeffM | Thumper_, so it was a link issues? |
19:48.06 | Tedius | ~delusional+=10 |
19:48.14 | Tedius | ~delusional++ |
19:50.53 | Thumper_ | JeffM: not really - the list of sources for the plugin_utils library was empty |
19:51.17 | JeffM | ahh |
19:51.20 | JeffM | that would suck |
19:51.27 | Thumper_ | since the line continuation char was missing |
19:51.41 | Thumper_ | well it made for real small plugins :) |
19:51.45 | JeffM | silly make files |
19:58.32 | Tupone | Is there a critical bug list for 2.0.10? |
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20:04.25 | Thumper_ | Tupone: don't think so. We're not sure if the server packetlosswarn/kick stuff works correctly or not yet - that's the only issue I'm aware of |
20:06.03 | Tupone | does a packet loss raise the counters of both packetloss and lag ? |
20:06.34 | Thumper_ | I think it's supposed to be optional and it's possibly active when no commandline args are given |
20:06.56 | Thumper_ | we should have more info in a day or two - lots of servers went to RC1 today |
20:07.34 | Tupone | well just thinking about a packet loss should be not considered a lag |
20:07.55 | delusional | it seems to be kicking correctly, but shouldnt be enabled by default |
20:08.09 | Thumper_ | I think they're supposed to be separate - I haven't looked a the packetloss code in detail |
20:12.57 | Tupone | Just remembered to have read a loss and lag happening together |
20:14.04 | Tupone | a loss is, I think, a jump in the sequence number. Maybe receipt of the ooo packet give a lag |
20:14.14 | Tupone | too |
20:30.10 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r15928 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/configure.ac: This is a 2.0.10rc1!!! at least rename the distributed files |
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20:35.51 | JeffM | RC2 will be the next one actualy |
20:39.27 | Tupone | yeah, I just meant to change the name for the old one |
20:39.45 | JeffM | we should do an RC2 soon |
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21:13.38 | rk_cr | Hello all. |
21:14.01 | rk_cr | I've got a question that I just can't seem to find an answer to on the wiki nor the forums (been searching for a bit), if anyone is willing to help. |
21:14.47 | rk_cr | Is there a way to switch teams in game, without reconnecting? |
21:14.54 | Tupone | nope |
21:15.02 | rk_cr | Ah, that's too bad. |
21:15.08 | rk_cr | Well, thanks for the help. |
21:15.09 | Tupone | ~pw |
21:15.09 | ibot | hmm... patches welcome is a common response by maintainers of Open Source products. It's roughly means "We don't have much time on our hands, so if you write that feature and send it to us we will likely roll it in. If you don't have the time to write it, we don't either. Stop asking for it." |
21:15.43 | rk_cr | Heh, will think about it. |
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23:55.37 | Legolas_ | Hello again |
23:57.30 | JeffM | word up |