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00:23.04 | a_meteorite | In 2.1.x, there is a function bz_getLoadedPlugins which returns an int (number of loaded plugins) and accepts bz_APIStringList as the argument |
00:24.07 | a_meteorite | I initialize the bz_APIStringList like so: bz_APIStringList *pluginList - now how would I pass that to bz_getLoadedPlugins() so I could later traverse the bz_APIStringList? (passing via pluginList crashes, others won't compile) |
00:24.54 | a_meteorite | If this returned a bz_APIStringList it'd be so much easier :) |
00:27.21 | Erroneous | you need to actually allocate the memory for the list |
00:27.36 | Erroneous | bz_APIStringList *pluginList = new bzAPIStringList() or some such |
00:27.57 | Erroneous | otherwise it's just gonna write to an unintialized pointer -> crash |
00:28.30 | a_meteorite | ahh.. let me try that |
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00:38.08 | a_meteorite | thanks, it worked |
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00:46.14 | Macrosoft|AFK | hola compadres! |
00:47.05 | Macrosoft|AFK | is the mirror surface limited to the floor of a map? can i make mirror walls for a map? |
00:48.51 | jude- | Macrosoft: use cube mapping in a material object |
00:49.06 | jude- | not the same as mirroring, but it gives the appearance of a metalic object |
00:49.11 | Macrosoft | cube mapping? never heard of it |
00:49.42 | Macrosoft | jude-: i was hoping on making a house of mirrors |
00:49.52 | jude- | wouldn't work, then :/ |
00:49.57 | tannerld_mac | heh |
00:50.24 | Macrosoft | ...with ricochet on too >:) |
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00:52.41 | [1]PETER | Hello, I am having an error while tring to privatly run my map, it says, "base was not defined for green team", can anyone help? |
00:53.02 | Macrosoft | how many teams is your map supposed to have? |
00:53.16 | tannerld_mac | Define a base for green team or fix -mp |
00:53.43 | [1]PETER | I have 2 teams, red and blue |
00:53.53 | tannerld_mac | fix -mp then |
00:53.54 | blast007 | what are you using for -mp ? |
00:53.55 | Macrosoft | yep theres yer problem |
00:54.07 | [1]PETER | -mp? |
00:54.13 | jude- | in "options" |
00:54.16 | blast007 | -mp rogue,red,green,blue,purple,observer |
00:54.27 | blast007 | have to give a number for each one of those |
00:54.29 | [1]PETER | oh, I think I get it, thanks guys |
00:54.32 | Macrosoft | [1]PETER: do -mp 0, 20, 0, 20, 20 |
00:54.40 | Macrosoft | oops |
00:54.43 | blast007 | does it work with spaces? :) |
00:54.57 | Macrosoft | *-mp 0, 20, 0, 20, 20, 20 |
00:55.04 | Macrosoft | blast007: it does |
00:55.10 | [1]PETER | Also, is this a joke? "<JeffM> tomorow we have a meeting of the top devs and players, to decide if we overthrow tim and fork the project" |
00:55.14 | Macrosoft | thats the way i use it |
00:55.14 | blast007 | nope, it does not, Macrosoft |
00:55.23 | blast007 | bad argument "20," |
00:56.12 | [1]PETER | What dose it mean? |
00:56.23 | [1]PETER | ..."<JeffM> tomorow we have a meeting of the top devs and players, to decide if we overthrow tim and fork the project" |
00:56.50 | jude- | BZFlag 2007 developer summit :) |
00:57.03 | Macrosoft | doh!! *beats self with trout* |
00:57.13 | Macrosoft | blast007: you're right |
00:57.30 | blast007 | [1]PETER: branch: divide into two or more branches so as to form a fork; "The road forks" |
00:57.59 | blast007 | so in other words, split off into another code base, developed seperately from the original |
00:58.21 | [1]PETER | *phew* |
00:58.53 | [1]PETER | I thought it meant stop working on bzflag *gulp* |
00:59.01 | blast007 | it could mean that |
00:59.12 | blast007 | the fork could go in a completely seperate direction |
00:59.29 | blast007 | with a new name |
01:00.27 | [1]PETER | hows bzworkbenck coming on? |
01:00.32 | [1]PETER | *bench |
01:00.58 | jude- | working on material support as we speak |
01:01.11 | jude- | mostly figuring out how bzfs handles materials :) |
01:01.28 | tannerld_mac | jude-: oh really? neat. |
01:01.44 | jude- | it's been in the works for the last few days...material is a complex beast |
01:02.19 | tannerld_mac | hehe |
01:02.36 | [1]PETER | will you be able to preview world weapons? |
01:02.43 | jude- | eventually |
01:02.47 | [1]PETER | nice :) |
01:03.18 | jude- | however, every day it becomes less and less likely that it will be done by August 31st :/ |
01:03.38 | [1]PETER | I am planning on trying to make war of the worlds map, with the tripods shooting lasers :) |
01:03.57 | tannerld_mac | jude-: we'll still give you coffee even if you don't make it :P |
01:04.02 | tannerld_mac | atleast I will :P |
01:04.15 | jude- | what'll likely happen is I'll have the editor core and the non-renderable objects complete by the 31st |
01:05.14 | [1]PETER | I love the fact that the camera view wont always be pointing at the middle of the map |
01:05.21 | a_meteorite | [1]PETER: Where did Jeff suggest forking? |
01:05.50 | [1]PETER | I can see it in the top of my windows, I am using hydraIRC |
01:05.56 | [1]PETER | *window |
01:06.01 | jude- | ...that's why my blog posts as of late have been documenting object-specific code, so come August 31st, other people can start writing object code |
01:06.02 | tannerld_mac | a_meteorite: read far up |
01:06.06 | a_meteorite | whoa |
01:06.11 | a_meteorite | he really did say that |
01:06.54 | a_meteorite | when is this meeting? any idea? |
01:07.04 | a_meteorite | (cause I'll be working.. :( ) |
01:07.41 | jude- | at the meeting, any chance of someone bringing a webcam and a laptop? |
01:07.52 | jude- | I might be able to pseudo attend via video conference |
01:08.01 | a_meteorite | I believe they mean over IRC.. |
01:08.08 | [1]PETER | I think he means a meeting on the IRC |
01:08.12 | a_meteorite | or.. a real life meeting? |
01:08.14 | jude- | no, it's an actual meeting |
01:08.16 | jude- | San Diego |
01:08.19 | [1]PETER | wow, I do type slowly :( |
01:08.20 | a_meteorite | L4m3r was saying something about going to San Diego |
01:08.33 | a_meteorite | hah. I knew something was up with the devs when he said he had to hitch a ride down there. |
01:08.34 | jude- | it corresponds to SIGGRAPH |
01:08.36 | a_meteorite | he wouldn't tell me what. |
01:09.21 | [1]PETER | I thought that jeff wasn't doing bzflag that much anymore? |
01:09.50 | a_meteorite | he commits more than what he'll admit to |
01:12.29 | [1]PETER | By by, I am off to test my map that has been ruining my life for the past few days because I could think of any ideas for it |
01:17.18 | Macrosoft | why do they need to have a real meeting instead of IRC? |
01:17.38 | tannerld_mac | because they can? |
01:17.39 | a_meteorite | cause real conversation usually causes real results |
01:18.06 | Macrosoft | results? what are they trying to change? |
01:18.10 | blast007 | the world |
01:18.16 | blast007 | GO WORLD PEACE! |
01:18.23 | a_meteorite | NO MORE PLASMA BALLS! |
01:18.37 | blast007 | KILL-FREE ZONE! |
01:19.16 | Macrosoft | no really? what do they want to change in bz thats important enough to have a physical meeting? |
01:20.09 | tannerld_mac | development? organization? etc? |
01:20.32 | Macrosoft | anything more specific than that> |
01:20.35 | Macrosoft | *? |
01:20.39 | blast007 | Macrosoft: they're already meeting |
01:20.45 | blast007 | for other stuff |
01:21.00 | L4m3r | Macrosoft: don't worry about it, it's tradition. A yearly thing. |
01:21.12 | L4m3r | or almost-yearly depending on location and other stuffs |
01:21.25 | L4m3r | (location of siggraph, that is) |
01:22.41 | [1]PETER | Who will be there? |
01:23.10 | Macrosoft | who's siggraph? |
01:23.22 | L4m3r | ~google siggraph |
01:23.27 | Macrosoft | is he new? |
01:24.11 | blast007 | Macrosoft: google it |
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01:25.36 | [1]PETER | Maby there should be a place on bzbb where people can donate to the project, perhaps pay for a little advertising |
01:26.13 | blast007 | yeah, let's buy a 30 second commercial during the superbowl |
01:26.24 | [1]PETER | hell yeah! |
01:26.43 | [1]PETER | I mean like on websites |
01:26.45 | a_meteorite | that'll only be a good $10m |
01:26.50 | [1]PETER | ..like miniclip |
01:27.19 | blast007 | [1]PETER: why do we need ads? |
01:27.51 | [1]PETER | So more people can find out about the game, |
01:28.54 | [1]PETER | 200 people playing the game at once on average is good, but there are so many more maps that could be populated |
01:29.13 | blast007 | make a better in-game server list |
01:29.19 | blast007 | so that players can find maps |
01:29.43 | [1]PETER | me? |
01:30.30 | blast007 | Someone(tm) |
01:30.31 | [1]PETER | I only know how to do "hello world" in c++ |
01:30.51 | [1]PETER | Unless you need that, then I am no help |
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01:40.01 | chillin | i hear there are noobs in the channel |
01:40.14 | L4m3r | there is now... |
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01:44.11 | Macrosoft | PETER-> the professional spammer |
01:44.52 | L4m3r | hmmm. So jude- would really like to be able to attend tomorrow via videoconference. |
01:45.59 | blast007 | do a webcast! we could all be there! |
01:46.08 | tannerld_mac | heh |
01:56.21 | L4m3r | well, I *DO* have a laptop with a webcam. |
01:56.51 | L4m3r | so, assuming it'd be at all possible to get us online while we're there, I could bring it along |
01:57.04 | L4m3r | but I don't know how we'd do it software-wise |
01:57.41 | tannerld_mac | not sure if quicktime does something like that, but I know it does streaming |
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01:59.24 | Macrosoft | just record it |
01:59.34 | Macrosoft | and post it online afterwards |
02:00.14 | L4m3r | er... I meant more along the lines of video conferencing |
02:00.35 | L4m3r | I don't think there will be anything worth recording :) |
02:02.28 | Macrosoft | heh, nice channel topic |
02:12.37 | AAA_awright | That's interesting, putting the LDAP protocol over a MySQL database. |
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02:48.05 | jude- | back |
02:50.11 | jude- | DTRemenak, L4m3r: ping |
02:53.27 | DTRemenak | pong |
02:54.01 | jude- | I can call in sick tomorrow if the BZFlag devs choose to meet somewhere with WiFi and are willing to set up some sort of voice/video conferencing |
02:54.17 | jude- | ...if it wouldn't be too much trouble |
02:55.23 | jude- | is there a wiki page with more information? |
02:58.39 | a_meteorite | our car is down, so the prospects of even getting to work is low. |
02:58.53 | a_meteorite | I would also attend via voice conferencing :) |
02:59.35 | a_meteorite | though JeffM is probably the last person he'd want in a conference ;) |
02:59.58 | a_meteorite | *I'm the last person |
03:00.06 | jude- | I heard JeffM isn't feeling to well, and that he might not be comming... |
03:01.30 | a_meteorite | if you guys can setup any kind of conferencing, give me a ping please ;) |
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03:27.19 | Macrosoft | ... |
03:29.20 | L4m3r | jude-: sorry, I had to go to dinner myself :P |
03:30.00 | jude- | heh. np :) |
03:30.22 | L4m3r | are you sure you don't have access to a windoze box? :\ |
03:30.29 | jude- | I can get access |
03:30.55 | jude- | I'll just use my dad's computer |
03:31.32 | L4m3r | linux solutions do exist, but they're limited and the prospects of cross-compatibility with winblows don't seem very goof |
03:31.34 | L4m3r | good* |
03:31.58 | jude- | not a problem; I'll just use my dad's WinXP machine |
03:32.02 | jude- | what software should I use? |
03:32.11 | L4m3r | of course, I still don't know where we're going... I guess it all depends on wireless |
03:32.15 | jude- | ...assuming this will be possible? |
03:32.16 | jude- | yeah |
03:33.06 | jude- | do you know when that will have been decided? |
03:33.24 | L4m3r | I think it's been decided already |
03:33.31 | L4m3r | the problem is that no one seems to know :P |
03:34.24 | jude- | is there a wiki page on it? |
03:34.41 | a_meteorite | been decided to fork? |
03:35.06 | L4m3r | a_meteorite: no, the meeting location |
03:35.15 | a_meteorite | oh |
03:35.35 | L4m3r | no pages for siggraph, so I'm guessing there's no wiki page |
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03:36.45 | jude- | it doesn't necessarily have to be via WiFi...it could also be via phone |
03:36.55 | jude- | I'd be willing to pay for the minutes on the other end |
03:37.03 | L4m3r | well, my phone can't do that |
03:37.08 | L4m3r | dunno if anyone else can |
03:38.29 | jude- | where did you all meet last year? |
03:38.47 | L4m3r | I don't know, I went in '05 |
03:38.59 | L4m3r | and it was in LA ;) |
03:53.42 | JeffM | there was no last year |
03:53.48 | JeffM | sigraph was in boston IIRC |
03:54.01 | jude- | I see |
03:56.19 | jude- | do you know where you will be meeting this year? |
03:56.45 | JeffM | sa diego |
03:56.50 | JeffM | tomorow |
03:57.02 | jude- | that much I know |
03:57.21 | jude- | do you know where in San Diego? |
03:57.37 | JeffM | nope |
03:58.36 | jude- | will you (or anyone) know before 2 pm pacific-time tomorrow? |
03:59.06 | JeffM | jbd knows now |
03:59.21 | JeffM | I may not go down |
03:59.24 | JeffM | I have to see how I feel |
03:59.39 | jude- | right. don't strain yourself :) |
04:00.48 | DTRemenak | if it's just the ride you're dreading, you're welcome to come with L4m3r and me |
04:01.56 | JeffM | i know |
04:01.59 | JeffM | it's all of it |
04:02.01 | JeffM | the travel |
04:02.04 | JeffM | the time |
04:02.10 | JeffM | and some other stuff has come up |
04:04.36 | JeffM | what time you planing on leaving? |
04:37.50 | DTRemenak | 3:00 or so |
04:38.17 | DTRemenak | maybe a bit before |
04:42.13 | JeffM | well so far 128 megs of that ram is good |
04:43.00 | jude- | yay! |
04:45.01 | DTRemenak | you retested the whole batch and it was still bad? |
04:45.16 | JeffM | doing them in pairs |
04:45.21 | DTRemenak | ah |
04:45.28 | JeffM | and runing the bios diagnostics on them |
04:45.30 | DTRemenak | thought maybe reseating them might have helped |
04:45.31 | JeffM | does a ram check |
04:50.15 | JeffM | yup, one bad one it looks like |
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06:44.13 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r14866 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (11 files in 5 dirs): |
06:44.13 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: More work on materials and groups. BZWB's material class is now an extension of osg::StateSet, which is an OSG-specific |
06:44.13 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: class for handling OpenGL states. The material class can also (experimentally) compute the final state of a list of |
06:44.13 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: matrefs and choose the appropriate texture. The group class now references and queries an associated "define" class |
06:44.17 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: through the Model class's command() method to get the list of objects, and can propogate BZWB events to them (since |
06:44.21 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: the group itself has no concept of orientation, according to the BZWB spec). |
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14:57.57 | Macrosoft | how goes the meeting? |
14:58.26 | blast007 | This is not the meeting you are looking for. *waves hand* |
14:58.49 | Macrosoft | this is not the meeting i'm looking for |
14:59.08 | blast007 | you want to go home and rethink your life. *waves hand* |
14:59.28 | Macrosoft | i want to go home and rethink my lack of a life |
14:59.36 | KTL | mwahaha |
14:59.51 | blast007 | meh, close enough |
15:00.45 | Macrosoft | / |
15:05.28 | Macrosoft | so... ive got work today. anyone able to record anything important i might miss? |
15:06.41 | blast007 | Macrosoft: they're talking, like, face-to-face |
15:06.48 | blast007 | it's not an IRC meeting |
15:07.10 | Macrosoft | i know, but i heard there might be a laptop there |
15:08.52 | Macrosoft | ... |
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15:54.05 | eTangenT | what meeting is he blabbing on about? |
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16:41.46 | JeffM | siggraph, I won't be coming down to SD tonight, too much traveling :( |
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16:53.31 | Erroneous | aw :( |
16:54.00 | JeffM | I'm sneezin like mad today |
16:54.29 | Erroneous | fun...allergies? |
16:54.51 | JeffM | maybe |
16:55.16 | JeffM | or just whatever I had running it's course out my nose |
16:55.20 | JeffM | throat feels better |
16:55.34 | Erroneous | that's good at least |
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16:56.31 | [1]PETER | Do I put the "-worldSize" option in my configuration file or map file? |
16:56.47 | JeffM | dosn't mater |
16:57.30 | Erroneous | map makes more sense |
16:59.47 | [1]PETER | When I try it in the map file I get, "c:\pryamids.bzw: warning <line 4>: invalid object type "-worldSize" -skipping |
17:00.16 | [1]PETER | and the map dosnt even run when I try it in the configuration file |
17:00.25 | JeffM | where in the map do you put it? |
17:00.31 | JeffM | in the options section? |
17:01.09 | [1]PETER | ohhhh, I think I get it, I need to have an options setting and put in it, "_worldSize 3000"? |
17:01.23 | JeffM | did you read the manpage and docs on maping? |
17:01.41 | [1]PETER | no, I guess I should have |
17:01.44 | Erroneous | http://my.bzflag.org/w/World_%28object%29 |
17:01.49 | [1]PETER | thanks |
17:02.01 | JeffM | yeah there are a number of ways to do it |
17:02.15 | JeffM | the world object is best for just the size |
17:13.51 | [1]PETER | It works now, the map size is larger, but when I jump or shoot the fps goes down to about 1fps for 2 seconds |
17:14.03 | JeffM | what video card? |
17:14.09 | [1]PETER | is it becuase I have the world size at 3000? |
17:14.12 | [1]PETER | 1 sec |
17:16.52 | [1]PETER | I am not sure, here is the laptop... |
17:16.55 | [1]PETER | http://www.gadget-inspector.com/notebooks_reviews/samsung_notebooks/samsung_v20_xtc_1800_nv20nq00c0suk_review.html |
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17:18.53 | JeffM | ewww |
17:20.47 | [1]PETER | I bought it about 3 years ago so what do you expect :) |
17:21.11 | JeffM | actual information |
17:21.57 | JeffM | what OS are you running? |
17:22.07 | [1]PETER | xp at the moment |
17:22.36 | eTangenT | XP... |
17:22.55 | [1]PETER | ....not the "at the moment" part of the sentance |
17:22.58 | [1]PETER | *note |
17:22.59 | blast007 | eTangenT: nothing wrong with XP |
17:23.15 | JeffM | what driver does it say you have in the display controll pannel? |
17:23.19 | eTangenT | blast007: My Inspiron begged to differ :( |
17:23.31 | blast007 | that's your fault for buying a Dell |
17:23.57 | eTangenT | blast007: You don't say!! |
17:24.00 | eTangenT | :-\ |
17:24.03 | eTangenT | I regret it |
17:24.05 | eTangenT | I hate this thing |
17:24.25 | blast007 | JeffM: that laptop seems to have an 845GL |
17:24.33 | JeffM | ahh |
17:24.41 | JeffM | then yeah, make sure you have current drivers |
17:24.54 | JeffM | if you do, then that's what your geting with crap intel onboard video |
17:25.28 | blast007 | fog might help, though it might just make it all slower... I don't think my 865 does fog very well either ;) |
17:25.43 | [1]PETER | Intel 82845G Graphics Controller |
17:25.55 | blast007 | [1]PETER: grab a new driver for it |
17:26.00 | blast007 | see if it's any better |
17:26.14 | [1]PETER | nvidia? |
17:26.32 | blast007 | yeah, you give that a shot, for your Intel chipset |
17:26.38 | blast007 | I'm sure you'll get real far |
17:26.59 | blast007 | does it say nVidia anywhere on that line you pasted? |
17:29.49 | [1]PETER | No, as you can tell I know little about computers in comparison to you, be kind :) |
17:30.12 | JeffM | peter then it is best if you don't jump the gun and try to "add" stuff |
17:30.50 | [1]PETER | To my map or my laptop? |
17:31.18 | JeffM | to the conversation |
17:31.38 | JeffM | you had heard the term "nvidia' aso you threw that out there trying to look like you knew what you were talking about |
17:31.41 | JeffM | you've done it in the past |
17:31.50 | JeffM | if you realy want help, just listen and do what people tell you |
17:32.12 | eTangenT | blast knows what he's doing, as does Jeff, and as do many people here. just have patience. |
17:33.37 | JeffM | go to intell's site and get the current drivers for that chipset |
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17:35.35 | [1]PETER | I said "nvidia" becuase I thought it had somthing to do with the graphics, I was wondering/asking if it would work on my computer |
17:36.05 | JeffM | and like I said, don't jump the gun |
17:36.07 | eTangenT | [1]PETER: nvidia does have to do with graphics. Just not yours. |
17:36.26 | JeffM | you have an intel chip, not an nvidia chip |
17:36.35 | JeffM | nivida drivers will not help you |
17:36.48 | JeffM | if you had an nvidia chip you'd be in a much better place |
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18:34.30 | jude- | hello all |
18:35.09 | jude- | is video/voice conferencing a go at the meeting tonight? |
18:36.22 | JeffM | meeting? |
18:36.32 | JeffM | you want to hear brlcad get drunk? |
18:37.18 | jude- | since I can't attend in person, and since DTRemenak and L4m3r have expressed interest in me coming, I was wondering if that was a possibility |
18:37.42 | Erroneous | we'd love to have you come...but there's no real point in video :) |
18:37.45 | JeffM | you know it's not a metting right? |
18:37.54 | JeffM | it's like people eating |
18:38.00 | L4m3r | lol |
18:38.22 | jude- | not necessarily video...it could be voice |
18:38.27 | Erroneous | more random chat than actual bzflag talk |
18:38.46 | L4m3r | I have no issue tugging along the equipment, but internet connectivity seems unlikely |
18:38.54 | jude- | kk |
18:40.01 | jude- | I just needed to know soon, so I can make arrangements |
18:40.06 | L4m3r | I mean, it's a restaurant after all :\ |
18:40.37 | jude- | true |
18:40.46 | JeffM | it's nothing that formal man :) |
18:40.55 | jude- | I figured |
18:41.09 | L4m3r | well, I gotta run. If I need to bring the lappy just leave a message (and mention what software to use) |
18:41.56 | jude- | bye L4m3r |
18:50.07 | CBG | L4m3r: is your gsoc done yet? |
18:50.22 | CBG | gsoc project, that is. |
19:08.49 | *** topic/#bzflag by JeffM -> http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9453 || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || http://my.bzflag.org/w/ || http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code#Program_Evaluation || Rebelion called on account of illness. |
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19:57.09 | brlcad | i think my brain is full |
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20:49.44 | zee568 | hello, i found 2 links how to upload png textures to the bzserver, which one is correctly, or both are ok? or what other link u suggest? |
20:49.50 | zee568 | http://images.bzflag.org/submitimages/ |
20:49.58 | zee568 | and the 2cnd link: |
20:49.59 | zee568 | http://images.bzflag.org/submitimages_dmp/ |
20:50.07 | SpazzyMcGee | Use the first. |
20:50.13 | zee568 | k, tks |
20:50.14 | SpazzyMcGee | http://images.bzflag.org/submitimages/ |
20:51.07 | zee568 | bye |
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