IRC log for #bzflag on 20070810

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00:23.04a_meteoriteIn 2.1.x, there is a function bz_getLoadedPlugins which returns an int (number of loaded plugins) and accepts bz_APIStringList as the argument
00:24.07a_meteoriteI initialize the bz_APIStringList like so: bz_APIStringList *pluginList - now how would I pass that to bz_getLoadedPlugins() so I could later traverse the bz_APIStringList? (passing via pluginList crashes, others won't compile)
00:24.54a_meteoriteIf this returned a bz_APIStringList it'd be so much easier :)
00:27.21Erroneousyou need to actually allocate the memory for the list
00:27.36Erroneousbz_APIStringList *pluginList = new bzAPIStringList() or some such
00:27.57Erroneousotherwise it's just gonna write to an unintialized pointer -> crash
00:28.30a_meteoriteahh.. let me try that
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00:38.08a_meteoritethanks, it worked
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00:46.14Macrosoft|AFKhola compadres!
00:47.05Macrosoft|AFKis the mirror surface limited to the floor of a map? can i make mirror walls for a map?
00:48.51jude-Macrosoft: use cube mapping in a material object
00:49.06jude-not the same as mirroring, but it gives the appearance of a metalic object
00:49.11Macrosoftcube mapping? never heard of it
00:49.42Macrosoftjude-: i was hoping on making a house of mirrors
00:49.52jude-wouldn't work, then :/
00:49.57tannerld_macheh
00:50.24Macrosoft...with ricochet on too >:)
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00:52.41[1]PETERHello, I am having an error while tring to privatly run my map, it says, "base was not defined for green team", can anyone help?
00:53.02Macrosofthow many teams is your map supposed to have?
00:53.16tannerld_macDefine a base for green team or fix -mp
00:53.43[1]PETERI have 2 teams, red and blue
00:53.53tannerld_macfix -mp then
00:53.54blast007what are you using for -mp ?
00:53.55Macrosoftyep theres yer problem
00:54.07[1]PETER-mp?
00:54.13jude-in "options"
00:54.16blast007-mp rogue,red,green,blue,purple,observer
00:54.27blast007have to give a number for each one of those
00:54.29[1]PETERoh, I think I get it, thanks guys
00:54.32Macrosoft[1]PETER: do -mp 0, 20, 0, 20, 20
00:54.40Macrosoftoops
00:54.43blast007does it work with spaces? :)
00:54.57Macrosoft*-mp 0, 20, 0, 20, 20, 20
00:55.04Macrosoftblast007: it does
00:55.10[1]PETERAlso, is this a joke? "<JeffM> tomorow we have a meeting of the top devs and players, to decide if we overthrow tim and fork the project"
00:55.14Macrosoftthats the way i use it
00:55.14blast007nope, it does not, Macrosoft
00:55.23blast007bad argument "20,"
00:56.12[1]PETERWhat dose it mean?
00:56.23[1]PETER..."<JeffM> tomorow we have a meeting of the top devs and players, to decide if we overthrow tim and fork the project"
00:56.50jude-BZFlag 2007 developer summit :)
00:57.03Macrosoftdoh!! *beats self with trout*
00:57.13Macrosoftblast007: you're right
00:57.30blast007[1]PETER: branch: divide into two or more branches so as to form a fork; "The road forks"
00:57.59blast007so in other words, split off into another code base, developed seperately from the original
00:58.21[1]PETER*phew*
00:58.53[1]PETERI thought it meant stop working on bzflag *gulp*
00:59.01blast007it could mean that
00:59.12blast007the fork could go in a completely seperate direction
00:59.29blast007with a new name
01:00.27[1]PETERhows bzworkbenck coming on?
01:00.32[1]PETER*bench
01:00.58jude-working on material support as we speak
01:01.11jude-mostly figuring out how bzfs handles materials :)
01:01.28tannerld_macjude-: oh really? neat.
01:01.44jude-it's been in the works for the last few days...material is a complex beast
01:02.19tannerld_machehe
01:02.36[1]PETERwill you be able to preview world weapons?
01:02.43jude-eventually
01:02.47[1]PETERnice :)
01:03.18jude-however, every day it becomes less and less likely that it will be done by August 31st :/
01:03.38[1]PETERI am planning on trying to make war of the worlds map, with the tripods shooting lasers :)
01:03.57tannerld_macjude-: we'll still give you coffee even if you don't make it :P
01:04.02tannerld_macatleast I will :P
01:04.15jude-what'll likely happen is I'll have the editor core and the non-renderable objects complete by the 31st
01:05.14[1]PETERI love the fact that the camera view wont always be pointing at the middle of the map
01:05.21a_meteorite[1]PETER: Where did Jeff suggest forking?
01:05.50[1]PETERI can see it in the top of my windows, I am using hydraIRC
01:05.56[1]PETER*window
01:06.01jude-...that's why my blog posts as of late have been documenting object-specific code, so come August 31st, other people can start writing object code
01:06.02tannerld_maca_meteorite: read far up
01:06.06a_meteoritewhoa
01:06.11a_meteoritehe really did say that
01:06.54a_meteoritewhen is this meeting? any idea?
01:07.04a_meteorite(cause I'll be working.. :( )
01:07.41jude-at the meeting, any chance of someone bringing a webcam and a laptop?
01:07.52jude-I might be able to pseudo attend via video conference
01:08.01a_meteoriteI believe they mean over IRC..
01:08.08[1]PETERI think he means a meeting on the IRC
01:08.12a_meteoriteor.. a real life meeting?
01:08.14jude-no, it's an actual meeting
01:08.16jude-San Diego
01:08.19[1]PETERwow, I do type slowly :(
01:08.20a_meteoriteL4m3r was saying something about going to San Diego
01:08.33a_meteoritehah. I knew something was up with the devs when he said he had to hitch a ride down there.
01:08.34jude-it corresponds to SIGGRAPH
01:08.36a_meteoritehe wouldn't tell me what.
01:09.21[1]PETERI thought that jeff wasn't doing bzflag that much anymore?
01:09.50a_meteoritehe commits more than what he'll admit to
01:12.29[1]PETERBy by, I am off to test my map that has been ruining my life for the past few days because I could think of any ideas for it
01:17.18Macrosoftwhy do they need to have a real meeting instead of IRC?
01:17.38tannerld_macbecause they can?
01:17.39a_meteoritecause real conversation usually causes real results
01:18.06Macrosoftresults? what are they trying to change?
01:18.10blast007the world
01:18.16blast007GO WORLD PEACE!
01:18.23a_meteoriteNO MORE PLASMA BALLS!
01:18.37blast007KILL-FREE ZONE!
01:19.16Macrosoftno really? what do they want to change in bz thats important enough to have a physical meeting?
01:20.09tannerld_macdevelopment? organization? etc?
01:20.32Macrosoftanything more specific than that>
01:20.35Macrosoft*?
01:20.39blast007Macrosoft: they're already meeting
01:20.45blast007for other stuff
01:21.00L4m3rMacrosoft: don't worry about it, it's tradition. A yearly thing.
01:21.12L4m3ror almost-yearly depending on location and other stuffs
01:21.25L4m3r(location of siggraph, that is)
01:22.41[1]PETERWho will be there?
01:23.10Macrosoftwho's siggraph?
01:23.22L4m3r~google siggraph
01:23.27Macrosoftis he new?
01:24.11blast007Macrosoft: google it
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01:25.36[1]PETERMaby there should be a place on bzbb where people can donate to the project, perhaps pay for a little advertising
01:26.13blast007yeah, let's buy a 30 second commercial during the superbowl
01:26.24[1]PETERhell yeah!
01:26.43[1]PETERI mean like on websites
01:26.45a_meteoritethat'll only be a good $10m
01:26.50[1]PETER..like miniclip
01:27.19blast007[1]PETER: why do we need ads?
01:27.51[1]PETERSo more people can find out about the game,
01:28.54[1]PETER200 people playing the game at once on average is good, but there are so many more maps that could be populated
01:29.13blast007make a better in-game server list
01:29.19blast007so that players can find maps
01:29.43[1]PETERme?
01:30.30blast007Someone(tm)
01:30.31[1]PETERI only know how to do "hello world" in c++
01:30.51[1]PETERUnless you need that, then I am no help
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01:40.01chillini hear there are noobs in the channel
01:40.14L4m3rthere is now...
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01:44.11MacrosoftPETER-> the professional spammer
01:44.52L4m3rhmmm. So jude- would really like to be able to attend tomorrow via videoconference.
01:45.59blast007do a webcast! we could all be there!
01:46.08tannerld_macheh
01:56.21L4m3rwell, I *DO* have a laptop with a webcam.
01:56.51L4m3rso, assuming it'd be at all possible to get us online while we're there, I could bring it along
01:57.04L4m3rbut I don't know how we'd do it software-wise
01:57.41tannerld_macnot sure if quicktime does something like that, but I know it does streaming
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01:59.24Macrosoftjust record it
01:59.34Macrosoftand post it online afterwards
02:00.14L4m3rer... I meant more along the lines of video conferencing
02:00.35L4m3rI don't think there will be anything worth recording :)
02:02.28Macrosoftheh, nice channel topic
02:12.37AAA_awrightThat's interesting, putting the LDAP protocol over a MySQL database.
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02:48.05jude-back
02:50.11jude-DTRemenak, L4m3r: ping
02:53.27DTRemenakpong
02:54.01jude-I can call in sick tomorrow if the BZFlag devs choose to meet somewhere with WiFi and are willing to set up some sort of voice/video conferencing
02:54.17jude-...if it wouldn't be too much trouble
02:55.23jude-is there a wiki page with more information?
02:58.39a_meteoriteour car is down, so the prospects of even getting to work is low.
02:58.53a_meteoriteI would also attend via voice conferencing :)
02:59.35a_meteoritethough JeffM is probably the last person he'd want in a conference ;)
02:59.58a_meteorite*I'm the last person
03:00.06jude-I heard JeffM isn't feeling to well, and that he might not be comming...
03:01.30a_meteoriteif you guys can setup any kind of conferencing, give me a ping please ;)
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03:27.19Macrosoft...
03:29.20L4m3rjude-: sorry, I had to go to dinner myself :P
03:30.00jude-heh. np :)
03:30.22L4m3rare you sure you don't have access to a windoze box? :\
03:30.29jude-I can get access
03:30.55jude-I'll just use my dad's computer
03:31.32L4m3rlinux solutions do exist, but they're limited and the prospects of cross-compatibility with winblows don't seem very goof
03:31.34L4m3rgood*
03:31.58jude-not a problem; I'll just use my dad's WinXP machine
03:32.02jude-what software should I use?
03:32.11L4m3rof course, I still don't know where we're going... I guess it all depends on wireless
03:32.15jude-...assuming this will be possible?
03:32.16jude-yeah
03:33.06jude-do you know when that will have been decided?
03:33.24L4m3rI think it's been decided already
03:33.31L4m3rthe problem is that no one seems to know :P
03:34.24jude-is there a wiki page on it?
03:34.41a_meteoritebeen decided to fork?
03:35.06L4m3ra_meteorite: no, the meeting location
03:35.15a_meteoriteoh
03:35.35L4m3rno pages for siggraph, so I'm guessing there's no wiki page
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03:36.45jude-it doesn't necessarily have to be via WiFi...it could also be via phone
03:36.55jude-I'd be willing to pay for the minutes on the other end
03:37.03L4m3rwell, my phone can't do that
03:37.08L4m3rdunno if anyone else can
03:38.29jude-where did you all meet last year?
03:38.47L4m3rI don't know, I went in '05
03:38.59L4m3rand it was in LA ;)
03:53.42JeffMthere was no last year
03:53.48JeffMsigraph was in boston IIRC
03:54.01jude-I see
03:56.19jude-do you know where you will be meeting this year?
03:56.45JeffMsa  diego
03:56.50JeffMtomorow
03:57.02jude-that much I know
03:57.21jude-do you know where in San Diego?
03:57.37JeffMnope
03:58.36jude-will you (or anyone) know before 2 pm pacific-time tomorrow?
03:59.06JeffMjbd knows now
03:59.21JeffMI may not go down
03:59.24JeffMI have to see how I feel
03:59.39jude-right.  don't strain yourself :)
04:00.48DTRemenakif it's just the ride you're dreading, you're welcome to come with L4m3r and me
04:01.56JeffMi know
04:01.59JeffMit's all of it
04:02.01JeffMthe travel
04:02.04JeffMthe time
04:02.10JeffMand some other stuff has come up
04:04.36JeffMwhat time you planing on leaving?
04:37.50DTRemenak3:00 or so
04:38.17DTRemenakmaybe a bit before
04:42.13JeffMwell so far 128 megs of that ram is good
04:43.00jude-yay!
04:45.01DTRemenakyou retested the whole batch and it was still bad?
04:45.16JeffMdoing them in pairs
04:45.21DTRemenakah
04:45.28JeffMand runing the bios diagnostics on them
04:45.30DTRemenakthought maybe reseating them might have helped
04:45.31JeffMdoes a ram check
04:50.15JeffMyup, one bad one it looks like
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06:44.13CIA-23BZFlag: 03judecn * r14866 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (11 files in 5 dirs):
06:44.13CIA-23BZFlag: More work on materials and groups. BZWB's material class is now an extension of osg::StateSet, which is an OSG-specific
06:44.13CIA-23BZFlag: class for handling OpenGL states. The material class can also (experimentally) compute the final state of a list of
06:44.13CIA-23BZFlag: matrefs and choose the appropriate texture. The group class now references and queries an associated "define" class
06:44.17CIA-23BZFlag: through the Model class's command() method to get the list of objects, and can propogate BZWB events to them (since
06:44.21CIA-23BZFlag: the group itself has no concept of orientation, according to the BZWB spec).
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14:57.57Macrosofthow goes the meeting?
14:58.26blast007This is not the meeting you are looking for. *waves hand*
14:58.49Macrosoftthis is not the meeting i'm looking for
14:59.08blast007you want to go home and rethink your life. *waves hand*
14:59.28Macrosofti want to go home and rethink my lack of a life
14:59.36KTLmwahaha
14:59.51blast007meh, close enough
15:00.45Macrosoft/
15:05.28Macrosoftso... ive got work today. anyone able to record anything important i might miss?
15:06.41blast007Macrosoft: they're talking, like, face-to-face
15:06.48blast007it's not an IRC meeting
15:07.10Macrosofti know, but i heard there might be a laptop there
15:08.52Macrosoft...
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15:54.05eTangenTwhat meeting is he blabbing on about?
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16:41.46JeffMsiggraph, I won't be coming down to SD tonight, too much traveling :(
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16:53.31Erroneousaw :(
16:54.00JeffMI'm sneezin like mad today
16:54.29Erroneousfun...allergies?
16:54.51JeffMmaybe
16:55.16JeffMor just whatever I had running it's course out my nose
16:55.20JeffMthroat feels better
16:55.34Erroneousthat's good at least
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16:56.31[1]PETERDo I put the "-worldSize" option in my configuration file or map file?
16:56.47JeffMdosn't mater
16:57.30Erroneousmap makes more sense
16:59.47[1]PETERWhen I try it in the map file I get, "c:\pryamids.bzw: warning <line 4>: invalid object type "-worldSize" -skipping
17:00.16[1]PETERand the map dosnt even run when I try it in the configuration file
17:00.25JeffMwhere in the map do you put it?
17:00.31JeffMin the options section?
17:01.09[1]PETERohhhh, I think I get it, I need to have an options setting and put in it, "_worldSize 3000"?
17:01.23JeffMdid you read the manpage and docs on maping?
17:01.41[1]PETERno, I guess I should have
17:01.44Erroneoushttp://my.bzflag.org/w/World_%28object%29
17:01.49[1]PETERthanks
17:02.01JeffMyeah there are a number of ways to do it
17:02.15JeffMthe world object is best for just the size
17:13.51[1]PETERIt works now, the map size is larger, but when I jump or shoot the fps goes down to about 1fps for 2 seconds
17:14.03JeffMwhat video card?
17:14.09[1]PETERis it becuase I have the world size at 3000?
17:14.12[1]PETER1 sec
17:16.52[1]PETERI am not sure, here is the laptop...
17:16.55[1]PETERhttp://www.gadget-inspector.com/notebooks_reviews/samsung_notebooks/samsung_v20_xtc_1800_nv20nq00c0suk_review.html
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17:18.53JeffMewww
17:20.47[1]PETERI bought it about 3 years ago so what do you expect :)
17:21.11JeffMactual information
17:21.57JeffMwhat OS are you running?
17:22.07[1]PETERxp at the moment
17:22.36eTangenTXP...
17:22.55[1]PETER....not the "at the moment" part of the sentance
17:22.58[1]PETER*note
17:22.59blast007eTangenT: nothing wrong with XP
17:23.15JeffMwhat driver does it say you have in the display controll pannel?
17:23.19eTangenTblast007: My Inspiron begged to differ :(
17:23.31blast007that's your fault for buying a Dell
17:23.57eTangenTblast007: You don't say!!
17:24.00eTangenT:-\
17:24.03eTangenTI regret it
17:24.05eTangenTI hate this thing
17:24.25blast007JeffM: that laptop seems to have an 845GL
17:24.33JeffMahh
17:24.41JeffMthen yeah, make sure you have current drivers
17:24.54JeffMif you do, then that's what your geting with crap intel onboard video
17:25.28blast007fog might help, though it might just make it all slower... I don't think my 865 does fog very well either ;)
17:25.43[1]PETERIntel 82845G Graphics Controller
17:25.55blast007[1]PETER: grab a new driver for it
17:26.00blast007see if it's any better
17:26.14[1]PETERnvidia?
17:26.32blast007yeah, you give that a shot, for your Intel chipset
17:26.38blast007I'm sure you'll get real far
17:26.59blast007does it say nVidia anywhere on that line you pasted?
17:29.49[1]PETERNo, as you can tell I know little about computers in comparison to you, be kind :)
17:30.12JeffMpeter then it is best if you don't jump the gun and try to "add" stuff
17:30.50[1]PETERTo my map or my laptop?
17:31.18JeffMto the conversation
17:31.38JeffMyou had heard the term "nvidia' aso you threw that out there trying to look like you knew what you were talking about
17:31.41JeffMyou've done it in the past
17:31.50JeffMif you realy want help, just listen and do what people tell you
17:32.12eTangenTblast knows what he's doing, as does Jeff, and as do many people here. just have patience.
17:33.37JeffMgo to intell's site and get the current drivers for that chipset
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17:35.35[1]PETERI said "nvidia" becuase I thought it had somthing to do with the graphics, I was wondering/asking if it would work on my computer
17:36.05JeffMand like I said, don't jump the gun
17:36.07eTangenT[1]PETER: nvidia does have to do with graphics. Just not yours.
17:36.26JeffMyou have an intel chip, not an nvidia chip
17:36.35JeffMnivida drivers will not help you
17:36.48JeffMif you had an nvidia chip you'd be in a much better place
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18:34.30jude-hello all
18:35.09jude-is video/voice conferencing a go at the meeting tonight?
18:36.22JeffMmeeting?
18:36.32JeffMyou want to hear brlcad get drunk?
18:37.18jude-since I can't attend in person, and since DTRemenak and L4m3r have expressed interest in me coming, I was wondering if that was a possibility
18:37.42Erroneouswe'd love to have you come...but there's no real point in video :)
18:37.45JeffMyou know it's not a metting right?
18:37.54JeffMit's like people eating
18:38.00L4m3rlol
18:38.22jude-not necessarily video...it could be voice
18:38.27Erroneousmore random chat than actual bzflag talk
18:38.46L4m3rI have no issue tugging along the equipment, but internet connectivity seems unlikely
18:38.54jude-kk
18:40.01jude-I just needed to know soon, so I can make arrangements
18:40.06L4m3rI mean, it's a restaurant after all :\
18:40.37jude-true
18:40.46JeffMit's nothing that formal man :)
18:40.55jude-I figured
18:41.09L4m3rwell, I gotta run. If I need to bring the lappy just leave a message (and mention what software to use)
18:41.56jude-bye L4m3r
18:50.07CBGL4m3r: is your gsoc done yet?
18:50.22CBGgsoc project, that is.
19:08.49*** topic/#bzflag by JeffM -> http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9453 || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || http://my.bzflag.org/w/ || http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code#Program_Evaluation || Rebelion called on account of illness.
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19:42.02siggraphJeffM: ahhh
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19:57.09brlcadi think my brain is full
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20:49.44zee568hello, i found 2 links how to upload png textures to the bzserver, which one is correctly, or both are ok? or what other link u suggest?
20:49.50zee568http://images.bzflag.org/submitimages/
20:49.58zee568and the 2cnd link:
20:49.59zee568http://images.bzflag.org/submitimages_dmp/
20:50.07SpazzyMcGeeUse the first.
20:50.13zee568k, tks
20:50.14SpazzyMcGeehttp://images.bzflag.org/submitimages/
20:51.07zee568bye
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