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00:02.17spldart60fps on busy server will all effects maxed out on this particular machine
00:07.59amathisnaw
00:08.05amathisoof, wrong window
00:19.28AWOSLappybrlcad:
00:19.33AWOSLappyI did the release build again
00:19.35AWOSLappybzflag error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol "__declspec(dllimport) public: __thiscall bad_cast::bad_cast(char const *)" (__imp_??0bad_cast@@QAE@PBD@Z)
00:19.49AWOSLappy398x
00:19.50AWOSLappyer
00:19.52AWOSLappy398 errors
00:20.44JeffMit was all runtime lib stuff
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03:23.58spldartOMG! Munchies is funny when getting pwnt
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03:27.13Macrosofthey, whats this fuss im hearing about GPLv3?
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03:31.49JeffMAWOSLappy, release build worked here at home too. I'm thinking something got/is jacked with your runtime lib install
03:32.38AWOSLappyhmm
03:32.39blast007is he building 2.1?
03:32.43AWOSLappyyes
03:32.48blast007yeah, something with you then
03:33.00blast007I just built two days ago for testing FTGL
03:34.24JeffMall the libs it can't find are stuff that's in your runtimes
03:34.37JeffMstuff that damned well BETTER be found
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05:05.03Macrosofthow long has missile war been down?
05:07.19ConstitutionMacrosoft: it is up
05:08.30Macrosoftthats odd, no one playing there today
05:08.43Macrosoftwhat happened?
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07:02.48tsWinny: ping
07:31.13CIA-3BZFlag: 03l4m3rthanyou * r14621 10/branches/gsoc_irc/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (ircControl.cxx ircControl.h): Progress, mainly the config loading function.
07:31.26L4m3rthat took WAY too long, bleck.
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10:08.50[1]PETERhello
10:09.07[1]PETERWhat do I put in the config to make it CTF?
10:10.34[1]PETERAnyone?
10:12.09brad-c
10:12.18bradtry reading the manual
10:12.26[1]PETERoh, okay, thanks
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11:00.58CIA-3BZFlag: 03daxxar * r14622 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/ (11 files): EventNotification -> Event. Created RCEvents.cxx, removed RCEvent.cxx.
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14:27.31Winnyts: pong
14:27.44Winnysorry, a bit late :p
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14:48.19tsWinny: Have you figured it out yet?
14:48.25Winnynope
14:48.37tsI thought to give you some time to find out :p
14:48.52tsWinny: There is no bug. It all works like it should.
14:49.12Winnybut if I HAVENT DONE any /sets, why should /reset * change that?
14:49.17Winnyerr. hvent done*
14:49.24tsWinny: reset does reset _flagHeight to its default value which is _not_ 0
14:49.44tsWinny: The map has an options block ;)
14:49.48Winnybut I never set it to 0
14:49.53tsWhere it is set
14:50.27tsWinny: Yes, you did. You just didn't know it.
14:50.31Winnyno, it isn't.
14:50.36Winnywell, whatever
14:50.41tsLook at the map.
14:51.34Winnyyup
14:52.01Winnythe only thing that is set in the map options is -set _countdownResumeDelay 5
14:52.36tsOook. I'm going to search it for you
14:52.48Winnyhmm?
14:52.57WinnyI don't think you get what Im saying...
14:53.18Winnywell, whatever. I have an idea.
14:53.59tshttp://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/branches/v2_0_cs_branch/bzflag/misc/hix.bzw?revision=13696&view=markup
14:54.05blast007Winny: ideas are dangerous
14:54.17tsline 71
14:54.35tsIt's set there.
14:55.10Winnybut shouldn't /reset * reset the server to its original settings? not to some default settings?
14:55.51blast007it resets the values to whatever was established on the server startup
14:55.59Winnybut its not doing that
14:56.00blast007is that not what it is doing?
14:56.02blast007hmm
14:56.14tsIt did different things in different versions
14:56.18Winnywhich is the whole "wtf" thing I have going here in my head.
14:56.20tsIts behaviour changed
14:56.56blast007Winny: post an example config, map, etc on the SF bug tracker that exibits the behavior
14:57.09tsThere is no bug
14:57.36blast007Winny: are you using the hix map?
14:58.01Winnyohhh... does /reset * not look at the "world" options?
14:58.16tsIt does in my local bzfs
14:58.30tsJust it may not do that on other bzfs binaries
14:58.44tsbecause the behaviour changed
14:59.59Winnyalright
15:00.06Winnyguess Ill upgrade BZFS
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16:13.50tsMan..I hate bz
16:14.06tsThat graphics thing is really odd
16:17.40tsAre there any known texture scaling problems on Radeon 7500?
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16:23.35tsJeffM: ping
16:24.08JeffM?
16:25.03tsJeffM: I'm experiencing a little "problem"
16:25.06tshttp://my.bzflag.org/~ts/screenshots/
16:25.31tsboth screenshots show the same world...but the arc looks different
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16:25.58tsOne is on my lappy, the other one on my desktop
16:26.07tsWhat can I do to analyse the problem?
16:26.31Winnyts: is one set to "high" and one set to "experimental" mode?
16:27.09tsHmm, lemme check
16:27.53tsexperimental desktop and mid lappy
16:28.03Winnythat would be why
16:28.35Winnyfrom what ive noticed, experimental always seems to render the textures at twice the size
16:28.50JeffMts that is the change, exp
16:28.59JeffMwinny is right, experimetnal uses a higher UV repeat
16:29.03JeffMto amke it look better
16:29.13JeffMif you want to controll exact UVs, you use a mesh
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16:29.50tsWell, it is an arc
16:30.01JeffMarcs use impled UVs
16:30.09JeffMnot explicid UVs
16:30.31JeffMexperimental changes the scale for all impled UVs ( UVs you don't specify )
16:30.54Winnyts: I had converted hix into a complete mesh, with no overlap, lemme see if I can find it...
16:30.55tsAha...
16:30.55JeffMit's to increase the texel density to make it look better
16:31.23JeffMI felt the UV density was too low, so I increased it for experimental
16:31.40tsYes, it felt like being too low
16:31.50JeffMnot everyone felt the same way
16:31.59tsbut I would then expect the arc to fit the lower UV density all the time
16:32.07JeffMwhy would you expect that?
16:32.14JeffMarcs are defined just like boxes
16:32.15JeffMthey are pims
16:32.20JeffMprimitives
16:32.26JeffMall primitives should behave the same way
16:33.41tsI think I'm not understanding it
16:33.49tsIf I define a box
16:34.00JeffMnow in 2.1 "high" is the same as old experimental, so more people should see it
16:34.02tsI would think it fits quality mode
16:34.07JeffMyou define a box with some paramters
16:34.12JeffMyou define an arc with some paramaters
16:34.18tsyes
16:34.26JeffMnone of those paramates is UV
16:34.35tsright
16:35.25JeffMso they all use impiled UVs coords
16:35.35JeffMand follow the same rules, higher repeats for experimental
16:35.43JeffMpyramids should do the same too
16:35.58tsThat's the part I am not understanding
16:36.02JeffMwhy?
16:36.07tsIf I specify an arc
16:36.31tsit has the same "texture scaling" in mid, high and experimental quali
16:36.50JeffMwhy woudl an arc be difrent then a box?
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16:37.09tsIt's made of meshes, IIRC
16:37.16JeffMthat's just the internal rep
16:37.32JeffMin the end they ALL go down to the same graphical face primitive
16:37.47JeffMa mesh dosn't do it, because a mesh has it's own specific UVs
16:38.02JeffMwe can't change them because they are DEFINED as paramaters
16:38.14JeffMall the ohter objects are high level prims that WE build geometry for
16:38.22JeffMand we use a constant rule for the UV repeats for them
16:38.29JeffMconsistency is good
16:38.43JeffMnowhere in the definition of an arc does it say that it's a mesh
16:38.55JeffMit just happens to be implemented using a mesh
16:39.28tsI meant one arc is built of meshes
16:39.39JeffMI mean geez, first you ask why things are diferent with stuff like boxes and meshboxes, and now you ask why when things are consistent
16:39.56JeffMts, I know, but the fact that it's a mesh is NEVER exposed to the map builder
16:40.06JeffMthe only reason you know it's a mesh is because you know the code
16:40.21tsyes
16:40.31JeffMto the map developer it's a high level primitive
16:40.34JeffMjust like a box
16:40.44JeffMit has a size, a rotation, and a couple paramaters
16:40.47tsI was looking there, trying to find out how it works
16:40.52JeffMand it follows the same UV rules as a box
16:41.11JeffMwhat are you trying to do?
16:41.13JeffMexactly?
16:41.33JeffMjust ask more "why" questions? or is there a goal to your line of questions?
16:41.53tsI want to rebuilt the HIX world using meshes to remove overlappings
16:42.06tsWhere no overlappings are, I want to keep the boxes
16:42.23tsand I want the buildings to look the same regardless of quality chosen in client
16:42.33JeffMthen there is ONLY one way to do that
16:42.36JeffMand you can not use boxes
16:42.40tserr, not the same. I meant consistant
16:42.44JeffMyou have to use mesh objects in the map
16:42.46JeffMoh
16:42.57JeffMwell then you can't mix meshes and prims
16:43.11JeffMso your choices are to use full meshes for everything
16:43.15JeffMeven the boxes
16:43.46JeffMshould be simple to do, dump the map as an obj, take it into an editor, and then convert the obj cunks into real meshes
16:44.18JeffMif you mix meshes and high level prims you will get UV changes based on quality, it's as simple as that
16:44.39JeffMnow I don't know if a meshbox does UV scaling
16:44.46JeffMthat you may want to look into
16:45.46tsThe only U/V scaling I see is in textureMatrix:          scale 0.0 0.0 1.0 1.0  # u/v freqs, u/v scales
16:46.30tsHowever I'm not seeing how that could help me.
16:46.55tsSo I'm going to redo it all as meshes
16:49.16JeffMts, in a mesh, you can define the UVs
16:49.29JeffMif you define a U as one, you get a difrent result then a U of 2
16:49.35JeffMso the UVs there are burned in, they use no scale
16:49.40JeffMthe matrix is another scale on top of that
16:50.10tsk
16:53.13tsJeffM: Thanks for the help
16:53.20Davemanbeezee flag
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16:56.25JeffMts, sure
16:56.57JeffMts, you should be able to get the map geometry into an editor and do mesh conversions on it buy just using the save command
16:57.04JeffMthen just go into the editor and remove the overlaps
17:05.59quineoh man, i can't believe harry potter was leaked :\
17:07.23JeffMwhy is that hard to belive, most of the other ones have had leaks too
17:13.08quinei thought they were going NUTS with security on this one
17:13.54JeffMthey are
17:14.01JeffMthat dosn't make it impossible
17:14.04quinegood point
17:14.08JeffMonly takes one person
17:14.20quineyes, one person to photograph every single page
17:14.29JeffMthe higher the security, the more people are willing to break it
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17:14.50JeffMand it's not like publishers/book distributors have setups like banks ;)
17:14.55quinehehe
17:14.56JeffMit's a book, WHOPTY do
17:15.09quinei'm interested in the publisher's response
17:15.22JeffMthey will fine the distributor that's it
17:15.24quinei mean, they're not going to lose any money, really
17:15.26JeffMand somone will loose there job
17:15.28JeffMyeah
17:15.32JeffMagain whopty do
17:16.07quinebut they'll be like "no don't ruin the magic moment ok it should be magical"
17:18.24quineoh man, i'd have respect for rowling though, if she wrote a fake version of the book and passed it around the internet
17:18.37JeffMI'd not give her that much credit
17:18.37quinebut then i realize that no writer would spend that much time on that
17:18.41JeffMexactly
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17:26.35DavemanWelcome, Number One.
17:28.21Winnyrofl
17:28.55DavemanWinny, make it so!
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17:33.58Davemano.O
17:34.22Davemanphonehax?
17:35.32Winnysure
17:35.33Winnywhy not
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20:11.50Winnysounds fancy
20:12.00JeffMwe shall see
20:12.11Winnydoes this mean you'll actually play BZ now? :p
20:12.17JeffMno
20:12.23Winnyaww :(
20:12.27JeffMit means I'm doing a favor for somone who asked ;)
20:15.00Winnyis BZBB retardedly slow for anyone else?
20:15.46AdmirarchGlobal login is failing
20:15.56JeffMit can happen
20:16.01AdmirarchSo I suspect the bb would be having trouble if I tried that too
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20:23.02TylerMserver troubles?
20:23.31awilcoxTylerM: 16:15 < Admirarch> Global login is failing
20:23.32donny_bakerTylerM: appears so
20:31.26brlcadooh, oops
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20:33.39brlcadcompiling/installing ldap is stealing cpu processing time from mysqld
20:33.46brlcadslowing http replies down
20:34.03brlcadmysqld is quite the bottleneck .. too many queries
20:34.27awilcoxbrlcad: sqlite!  :P
20:34.33brlcadsomeone(tm) should take care of the expensive sql calls
20:34.42Winnybrlcad: what are the specs on the BZBB server?
20:34.49brlcadawilcox: I'd be surprised if sqlite would help at all
20:35.12donny_bakerWinny: Free, or at least that is the most important one :P
20:35.35brlcadthe specs aren't spectacular, but not horrible either
20:35.45brlcaddonny_baker: hehe
20:35.52Winnywhat are they? :p
20:36.00brlcadit's really just a lot of inefficent and frequent sql calls
20:36.13TylerMwithout caching too i guess
20:36.14brlcadinefficiency that needs to be cleaned up
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21:43.37blast007brlcad: I imagine the stats site generates quite a hit to MySQL every 5 minutes
21:51.12brlcadyep, that really should balance out a bit
21:51.23brlcadeven just a few sleeps to spread it out could even help
21:51.29brlcadthough there are some heavy queries
21:51.54brlcadldap server is now installed
21:57.43blast007cool
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22:10.44brlcadthere is no config file yet, and that'll need to be set up to keep at least two directories separate
22:11.07brlcadbut it's there
22:11.10brlcadand running
22:22.51TylerMhi guys
22:23.07TylerMbrlcad: curious if you'll be trying to use ldap for wiki + bb + reg db
22:24.27TylerMblast007: thanks for the plugin tests..
22:24.42blast007TylerM: np
22:24.53TylerMI actually was ignoring that header cout :)  never looked at my copy of the output and it is the same . sry :)
22:25.04blast007hehe
22:25.14TylerMthe python cgi I had just grabbed last row of numbers and ignored the rest
22:25.15blast007TylerM: and yeah, that's our goal (re: ldap)
22:25.18TylerMheh
22:25.28TylerMcool
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23:41.40Erroneousworks for me, I'm just too lazy to go pick through everyone's posts :)
23:41.50JeffMthat's what I fiured
23:42.02JeffMto be fair, I also notified the major flamers
23:42.23JeffMsimply saying a map "suck" is not helping
23:42.29JeffMeven if it does indeed.. suck
23:42.32Erroneousyup
23:42.49ErroneousI kept hoping that thread would just die in a corner
23:43.01JeffMnot when that crew gets into it :)
23:43.03Erroneousheh
23:43.17JeffMmore then one of em has to have the "last" word
23:44.57JeffMso seriously bzflag.bz needs it's own pastebin :)
23:45.11Erroneouswell you're the one with experience setting them up :P
23:45.30JeffMI tink I can do all of it except setting the perms on the dir
23:45.44JeffMand seting up a vhost for it ( assuming we want one )
23:45.58JeffMand I'd think .bz would want a secured one, not the crap I set up here
23:46.13Erroneoussecured?
23:46.15JeffMI left the config and stuff in the web dir :)
23:46.19Erroneousahh
23:46.27Erroneousyeah prolly shouldn't do that :)
23:46.33JeffMcus it's all https, so only authed users can get to the dir here
23:46.58Erroneousyeah
23:47.00JeffMbrlcad, want to set up a vhost at paste.bzflag.bz ?
23:47.15JeffMI'll do the rest if flatfile is ok
23:47.18Erroneousand I'm not to worried about Joseph trying to crack it :P
23:47.28JeffMhe's l33t
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