| 00:02.08 | Winny | rebooting...brb |
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| 00:06.47 | jude- | ~wb Winny |
| 00:07.04 | Winny | thanks |
| 00:07.15 | blast007 | jude-: by "Free Software" do you mean, free as in free, or free as in "open-source" ? |
| 00:07.18 | Winny | had to make sure I'd gotten rid of t3h virus |
| 00:07.24 | Winny | I did! woot |
| 00:07.30 | jude- | blast007: free as in speech |
| 00:07.47 | jude- | VirtualBox distributes a GPL'ed source tarball |
| 00:07.56 | blast007 | for the OSE edition |
| 00:08.21 | jude- | right |
| 00:08.46 | jude- | I'm not obsessed with Free Software... |
| 00:08.56 | jude- | ...it's just usually better than proprietary software :) |
| 00:10.39 | jude- | (i.e. I don't lose sleep nor think twice about using a proprietary NVIDIA driver on my laptop and a proprietary ipw3945 regulartory daemon and firmware) |
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| 00:32.39 | purple_cow | VirtualBox is a toy ;) |
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| 00:46.25 | jude- | what do you recommend, purple_cow? |
| 00:46.36 | purple_cow | well, I'm biased |
| 00:46.53 | jude- | heh--that explains a lot :) |
| 00:50.05 | brad | openvz <3 |
| 01:40.24 | Thumper_ | jude-: I'm not sure you care about this just yet... but bzworkbench segfaults if you start it from the Debug directory instead of one level up - since it's expecting stuff in share/... |
| 01:43.34 | jude- | yup |
| 01:43.36 | jude- | that is correct |
| 01:43.57 | jude- | in my tree, I have a symlink from the binary in Debug to the root of the tree |
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| 03:28.05 | nn-rand-wifi | help! how do i tell all tans to always start on the base and no where else! |
| 03:28.52 | tannerld | s/tans/teams? |
| 03:29.13 | nn-rand-wifi | ? |
| 03:31.15 | tannerld | what do you mean? |
| 03:47.14 | eTangenT | I think he means, let them spawn on base, but nowhere else |
| 03:47.20 | eTangenT | just make a zone for it, nn-rand-wifi |
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| 04:40.05 | JeffM | blast007 charq is on last straw, just so you know |
| 04:43.58 | eTangenT | charg? |
| 04:45.17 | JeffM | whatever name he's using nwo |
| 04:46.33 | eTangenT | charg. |
| 04:46.42 | eTangenT | :) |
| 04:46.56 | Macrosoft | "charq is on last straw"... what did he do? |
| 04:46.57 | eTangenT | how bad is he getting? |
| 04:47.05 | eTangenT | I'm not paying much attention to him |
| 04:48.04 | JeffM | keeps posting closed source stupid map "editors" even when I tell him we don't support closed source software |
| 04:48.28 | Macrosoft | doesn't he know about bzworkbench? |
| 04:49.07 | eTangenT | oh, that. |
| 04:49.08 | eTangenT | I saw that. |
| 04:49.37 | JeffM | he's trying to "be included" |
| 04:51.36 | Macrosoft | hmm...does changing a user ID change the ID for all files owned by that user too? |
| 04:52.18 | JeffM | what userID are you talking about? |
| 04:52.25 | Macrosoft | in linux |
| 04:52.52 | Macrosoft | im trying to open my old disk without using root evry time |
| 04:53.07 | JeffM | perhapps a linux support channel would be a beter place |
| 04:53.23 | JeffM | so chown it all :) |
| 04:54.14 | blast007 | poof |
| 04:54.24 | Macrosoft | that was weird, why did so many quit at once? |
| 04:54.30 | blast007 | Macrosoft: netsplit |
| 04:54.40 | Macrosoft | who-what? |
| 04:54.53 | Macrosoft | ~wiki netsplit |
| 04:54.54 | blast007 | geez, go use your freaking browser |
| 04:55.04 | JeffM | yeah seriously man |
| 04:55.10 | JeffM | IRC is not the end all be all for infor |
| 04:55.14 | JeffM | and nether is #bzflag |
| 04:55.23 | JeffM | your geting rather anoying with it |
| 04:55.59 | jude-|AFK | charg...isn't he the guy trying to push BZE? |
| 04:56.11 | JeffM | and every time I tried to talk to you about it you went amazingly silent then offline.. |
| 04:56.15 | JeffM | bze? |
| 04:56.22 | blast007 | BZEdit, probably |
| 04:56.25 | JeffM | he's just some kid who got out of school |
| 04:56.36 | jude- | no, BZE |
| 04:56.39 | JeffM | he's making his own lame tools that are basicly apps that give you premade code |
| 04:56.45 | JeffM | he's called it by a couple names |
| 04:56.46 | jude- | http://www.icosaedro.it/bze/index.html |
| 04:56.56 | JeffM | the latest is "zedit" |
| 04:57.22 | JeffM | no, his stuff isn't that fancy ;) |
| 04:57.28 | jude- | lol |
| 04:57.35 | JeffM | his is a dialog with a buch of check boxes |
| 04:57.41 | JeffM | rigged to work like radio buttons |
| 04:57.53 | JeffM | and a big text area where it puts in the "code" for the item you select |
| 04:58.01 | JeffM | it's like a tardwiki |
| 04:58.02 | blast007 | he's the same one that posted a webpage designed to steal bzbb passwords... |
| 04:58.11 | JeffM | did he now? |
| 04:58.15 | blast007 | yeah |
| 04:58.21 | JeffM | when was this? |
| 04:58.30 | blast007 | week or two ago |
| 04:58.41 | JeffM | did you call him on it? |
| 04:58.43 | blast007 | the thread is still in the basement |
| 04:58.44 | blast007 | yeah |
| 04:58.49 | JeffM | what was his responce? |
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| 05:00.13 | blast007 | JeffM: "it was my sister!" |
| 05:00.21 | jude- | rofl |
| 05:00.34 | blast007 | yet, his username was in the source of the page :P |
| 05:00.35 | JeffM | seriously? |
| 05:00.38 | jude- | "it was my alter-ego!!! I swear!" |
| 05:00.44 | JeffM | that was his only responce? |
| 05:00.55 | blast007 | no, first he denied even knowing who it was |
| 05:01.02 | JeffM | did he eventualy fess up? |
| 05:01.05 | blast007 | nope |
| 05:01.10 | JeffM | he's done then |
| 05:01.18 | blast007 | he kept lying, I banned him, and he changed IP and came back |
| 05:01.22 | blast007 | with several other names |
| 05:01.30 | Macrosoft | thats what becomes of children that play with pokemon |
| 05:01.46 | blast007 | gswish was his original (I think) name |
| 05:01.47 | JeffM | how many names does he have? |
| 05:01.49 | JeffM | ok |
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| 05:02.25 | JeffM | Macrosoft, I'd be very carefull what you say, your very close to the pot calling the kettle black, with some of the comments you've made in the past ;) |
| 05:02.47 | Macrosoft | pots? kettles? |
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| 05:04.07 | JeffM | go look it up |
| 05:04.15 | JeffM | use that brain you were given |
| 05:04.23 | blast007 | I got the webpage shut down though... wasn't even up for 24 hours ;) |
| 05:05.05 | Macrosoft | im not sure what to look for, i might just end up with a sears catalogue full of kitchenware |
| 05:05.07 | blast007 | they like to post on their own threads as another username, saying how great stuff is |
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| 05:08.34 | JeffM | I've notified him he's geting yanked and if he continues and tries to circumvent, then we'll take more action |
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| 06:17.04 | delusional | < Alien Heaven > by Blaster Wisconsin coming soon. |
| 06:23.15 | jude- | huh? |
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| 07:03.03 | Jeffm | Hah xchat on the nokia |
| 07:04.00 | Constitution | cool :-) |
| 07:04.20 | Jeffm | Really small ;) |
| 07:24.50 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r14465 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (17 files in 12 dirs): |
| 07:24.50 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Made the ground it's own object and added a grid to it; gave SceneBuilder |
| 07:24.50 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: methods to load, construct, and assign materials and textures to a node. |
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| 11:57.38 | daxxar | ~seen amcnabb |
| 11:57.42 | ibot | amcnabb <n=amcnabb@c-71-195-212-252.hsd1.ut.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 29d 16h 11m 27s ago, saying: 'They didn't seem quite as music-oriented as I would have liked.'. |
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| 12:35.22 | eTangenT | ~lart CBG |
| 12:35.22 | ibot | frags CBG with his BFG9000 |
| 12:35.55 | CBG | thn |
| 12:35.57 | CBG | x |
| 12:36.06 | eTangenT | you looked bored. |
| 12:36.26 | CBG | right. |
| 12:36.37 | CBG | watching Licence to Kill. :P |
| 12:36.43 | eTangenT | so? |
| 12:36.45 | eTangenT | still bored. |
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| 14:17.18 | KTL | does anyone know an algorithm to spread points evenly over a sphere? in function of the amount of points and if possible the number of dimensions? |
| 14:21.13 | blast007 | KTL: http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/geometry/spherepoints/ |
| 14:22.33 | KTL | mmm iterative methods |
| 14:22.58 | KTL | robust :) |
| 14:23.12 | KTL | thanks! |
| 14:24.34 | blast007 | :) |
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| 15:25.59 | Epyon | DTRemenak, ping? |
| 15:26.52 | Epyon | ~seen DTRemenak |
| 15:26.53 | ibot | dtremenak is currently on #bzflag (19h 38m 40s) ##essy (19h 38m 40s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 19h 37m 42s, last said: '512x512'. |
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| 16:02.14 | ts_laptop | Hmm, did anyone change the sound between 2.0.8 and latest v2_0branch? |
| 16:02.49 | ts_laptop | I'm hearing the sound kind of twice in latest v2_0branch but in 2.0.8 it sounds good |
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| 16:03.18 | Chestal | ts_laptop: there was some sound code change in 2.0, but I don't remember when it was exactly |
| 16:03.35 | Epyon | Erroneous, you here? |
| 16:03.42 | Erroneous | Epyon: yup |
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| 16:04.11 | ts_laptop | Chestal: 2.0.8 sounds good. 2.0 did also sound good |
| 16:04.28 | ts_laptop | latest svn is like "echoing" |
| 16:04.33 | Tedius | I've noticed it also, ts_laptop |
| 16:05.45 | Chestal | I don't remember the details, it was in some way related to sample frequency, though |
| 16:06.05 | TylerM | hi all bzerkers |
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| 16:06.50 | ts_laptop | Tedius: Is your repition also slower and in a different frequency? |
| 16:07.11 | Chestal | are you using the svn data directory? not one of a parallel bz install? maybe try and use the -dir option |
| 16:07.48 | Tedius | ts_laptop: indeed |
| 16:07.58 | ts_laptop | I'm using the stuff in data dir |
| 16:08.23 | ts_laptop | Same code, same OS version but desktop instead of laptop: works fine! |
| 16:08.50 | Tedius | echo on 2.0.9 is not intentional? |
| 16:09.09 | ts_laptop | Tedius: No, I do not think so. I'm getting a terrible headache from it |
| 16:09.42 | ts_laptop | I can not change my resolution of display in 2.0.9, either on laptop |
| 16:09.45 | TylerM | who are the bot experts? I'd like to write a custom 3rd party program that sends coordinates into a bzfs instance for folks to at least see while playing. remotely possible? |
| 16:10.06 | TylerM | oh boy, my english sucks ;) |
| 16:10.09 | ts_laptop | Tedius: Do you see the resolution change entry? |
| 16:11.02 | Tedius | I can not go to window mode in 2.0.9, when I try, my resoloution goes weird |
| 16:11.33 | ts_laptop | Tedius: Do you see "Change Video Format:" in options? |
| 16:12.10 | ts_laptop | supposed to be under "Display Settings" |
| 16:12.40 | Tedius | um, dont think so.. |
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| 16:13.14 | ts_laptop | Tedius: What OS? |
| 16:13.47 | Tedius | OSX 10.4.10 |
| 16:13.56 | ts_laptop | Heh, same OS |
| 16:14.48 | Tedius | also, my initials are TS as well :) |
| 16:14.51 | TheRedBaron | TylerM: I think you might be looking for daxxar |
| 16:15.13 | ts_laptop | Tedius: I came first :D |
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| 16:16.07 | TylerM | TheRedBaron: okay thx .. you are giving me a glimmer of hope ;) |
| 16:17.01 | ts_laptop | I'm going to try a newer SDL version. Maybe it helps |
| 16:18.38 | TheRedBaron | ~gosc |
| 16:18.40 | TheRedBaron | ~gsoc |
| 16:18.41 | ibot | i guess gsoc is the Google Summer of Code, a program run annually by Google to provide (paid for) jobs to students to code on open source projects over summer. See http://code.google.com/soc/ for details. |
| 16:18.49 | TylerM | ts_laptop: what operating system? |
| 16:19.29 | ts_laptop | TylerM: same OS |
| 16:19.34 | TheRedBaron | TylerM: http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZRobots/About |
| 16:19.53 | TheRedBaron | TylerM: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code |
| 16:20.06 | TylerM | hey yeah, TheRedBaron, that new bot stuff eh? |
| 16:20.32 | TheRedBaron | TylerM: yup |
| 16:20.42 | TylerM | sounds encouraging :) |
| 16:20.43 | TheRedBaron | TylerM: I'm just relaying information I've picked up from lurking here |
| 16:21.03 | TylerM | pretty helpful .. for a lurker ;) ty! |
| 16:21.33 | JeffM | so Erroneous you want to port BZ to it? |
| 16:21.48 | Erroneous | JeffM: I don't think it has enough power |
| 16:21.50 | JeffM | I THINK there is an sdl port for it |
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| 16:21.57 | JeffM | it runs doom |
| 16:22.04 | Erroneous | 386's run doom too |
| 16:22.21 | TylerM | i'm a little confused about svn versions/branches... i've got the v2 branch, but if i want bleeding edge should I grab trunk? |
| 16:22.25 | JeffM | it runs doom at 800x480 |
| 16:22.30 | Erroneous | TylerM: yup |
| 16:22.44 | TylerM | ok thx.. |
| 16:22.47 | Erroneous | 386s run doom at 640x480 :) |
| 16:22.51 | JeffM | duno if it has gl tho |
| 16:23.00 | Erroneous | doom doesn't require much power |
| 16:23.01 | JeffM | somone made a game engine for it |
| 16:23.07 | Erroneous | bz is quite a bit heavier |
| 16:23.50 | Erroneous | you could always run mesa on it, it has x |
| 16:23.53 | JeffM | true |
| 16:24.01 | JeffM | I installed python on it :) |
| 16:24.02 | ts_laptop | Tedius: Which SDL-version do you have installed? |
| 16:24.22 | JeffM | tho porting bzadmin to it may not be a bad thing, they have a curses port for it |
| 16:24.28 | Tedius | erm, how can I tell? |
| 16:24.50 | ts_laptop | that I forgot :/ |
| 16:25.08 | Erroneous | sdl-config --version |
| 16:25.54 | Tedius | is that a build option? |
| 16:26.48 | Tedius | btw, my highway is back up |
| 16:26.49 | ts_laptop | Tedius: There is a binary called "sdl-config" |
| 16:26.53 | Erroneous | sdl is a build option (--without-sdl/with-sdl) |
| 16:26.54 | Tedius | with moving objects |
| 16:27.07 | ts_laptop | with --version you ask the binary for its version |
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| 16:28.44 | Tedius | so, for those of us who are dense, I should type bzflag -sdl-config --version ? |
| 16:28.46 | ts_laptop | Tedius: Without SDL BZFlag can not be compiled on Mac OS X |
| 16:28.55 | ts_laptop | noyb, just "sdl-config --version" |
| 16:28.58 | ts_laptop | no* |
| 16:29.44 | Tedius | I don't seem to have a binary anywhere called sdl-config |
| 16:30.02 | TylerM | i'm late on the discussion, but how'd you get sdl at all? |
| 16:30.09 | TylerM | on osx I use "port install sdl" I think |
| 16:30.30 | TylerM | err libsdl |
| 16:30.32 | ts_laptop | Tedius: Hmm, odd :/ |
| 16:30.57 | Tedius | -bash: sdl-config: command not found |
| 16:31.06 | TylerM | and I don't think i have it either |
| 16:31.31 | TylerM | ha - but I do have it :) |
| 16:31.34 | TylerM | check /opt/local/var/db/dports/software/libsdl/1.2.9_1+darwin_8/opt/local/bin/sdl-config |
| 16:31.39 | TylerM | if you used port to install it :) |
| 16:31.43 | TylerM | talk about hidden ;) |
| 16:32.10 | ts_laptop | Tedius: Let me try using a newer SDL...I think it's the best way |
| 16:32.34 | ts_laptop | as we seem to experience the same problem |
| 16:35.50 | TylerM | daxxar: I'm curious about the state of the python api... I see it is a feature you are aiming to use, but I can't even seem to compile it |
| 16:37.03 | TylerM | ahhh... I see you are aiming for swig.. great |
| 16:37.12 | TylerM | even luddites like me can help then ;) |
| 16:38.35 | ts_laptop | Tedius: Hrm, newer SDL does not help in my case |
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| 16:44.17 | ts_laptop | Tedius: /usr/local/bin/sdl-config is where it resides here |
| 16:45.42 | Tedius | nope |
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| 17:31.42 | Flash | I have a friend with an iBook G4 and an external monitor. How do I force BZFlag to run on the external monitor? |
| 17:32.35 | Flash | obviously, it can run in a window wherever, but I want "full-screen" to be on the external monitor |
| 17:34.40 | JeffM | IIRC it does it whereever the menu bar is as that is the "main" |
| 17:35.11 | Flash | and there is no way to override that? |
| 17:35.22 | Flash | command line or something? |
| 17:36.00 | JeffM | not that I know of |
| 17:36.04 | Flash | ok, thanks Jeff |
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| 19:56.58 | daxxar | TylerM: The part with the scripting API (the ``Frontend'') doesn't even have a working prototype - but it's what I'm currently working on. |
| 19:57.36 | daxxar | TylerM: If you're having any compilation issues, I would appreciate you posting all your output to rafb.net/paste and dropping me the link |
| 19:58.12 | daxxar | I'm not working on it today, visiting my gf, but I'll be working on it tomorrow from ~10AM onwards (GMT+1), and I'll try to resolve any issues you're having then. |
| 19:58.18 | daxxar | Until then, have a pleasant night. |
| 19:59.23 | Erroneous | ~daxxar++ |
| 19:59.29 | brad | ~bzflist |
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| 20:24.36 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/07/05/trinity_gets_videogame_masters/ <-- to bad it's all m$ based... |
| 20:30.42 | JeffM | the OS you use for games matters little. the important part is learning how to make them |
| 20:30.53 | JeffM | most games do all there own "stuff" anyway |
| 20:31.26 | TylerM | thx daxxar - I'm not sure what I'll do with it, but it sure sounds fun ;) |
| 20:33.31 | ruskie | JeffM, considering what m$ would teach you to use own "stuff" it does matter imho |
| 20:33.49 | ruskie | own stuff as in DX only |
| 20:33.51 | JeffM | there isn't much the OS can do for a game |
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| 20:33.59 | JeffM | that's an API, not the OS |
| 20:34.07 | JeffM | but yeah |
| 20:34.09 | a_meteorite | for windows only ;) |
| 20:34.17 | JeffM | I'll bet they let you do DX or GL |
| 20:34.27 | ruskie | lol |
| 20:34.32 | JeffM | most real game systems use an engine |
| 20:34.38 | JeffM | so you never deal with the low level stuff |
| 20:34.51 | JeffM | given 18 months you can do one of 2 things as a developer |
| 20:34.52 | JeffM | make a game |
| 20:34.55 | JeffM | or make an engine |
| 20:34.57 | ruskie | since when does m$ actually want to use anything that isn't their own "standard" |
| 20:34.59 | JeffM | you have to pick one |
| 20:35.22 | ruskie | "Sorry, but Internet play cannot really count as a social activity." <-- anyone agree to this? |
| 20:35.32 | Erroneous | there are non-ms implementations of dx, too |
| 20:35.46 | JeffM | and I don't see MS mentioned anywhere in that article. |
| 20:35.53 | gsnedders | 2.0.9 won't build on Mac OS 10.4.10 — various errors along the lines of "../obstacle/.libs/libObstacle.a: No such file or directory" |
| 20:35.57 | JeffM | ahh there it is |
| 20:36.03 | gsnedders | all within bzfs |
| 20:36.04 | JeffM | they are one partner |
| 20:36.13 | Erroneous | and internet play damn well better be social activity, or I'd have close to no social life :P |
| 20:36.21 | JeffM | ruskie, it's not the same as face to face socal |
| 20:36.26 | gsnedders | ruskie: they were trying to use PDF till Adobe stopped them :P |
| 20:36.42 | ruskie | lol |
| 20:37.11 | Erroneous | gsnedders: if they had held to the standard, adobe wouldn't have stopped them...they were doing the embrace/extend/... thing |
| 20:37.34 | gsnedders | how is it that use disable bzfs from compiling? |
| 20:37.47 | Erroneous | bzfs always builds |
| 20:37.57 | gsnedders | except when broken :( |
| 20:38.15 | Erroneous | bzfs always tries to build :P |
| 20:38.19 | gsnedders | :P |
| 20:38.32 | a_meteorite | make -k, if you don't care about bzfs... |
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| 20:41.51 | ruskie | "A "state-of-the-art learning environment" from Microsoft ? What's it going to be like, sitting in the middle of a Blue Screen of Death ?" <-- lol |
| 20:42.02 | a_meteorite | heh |
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| 20:45.37 | TheRedBaron | hrm directx vs opengl |
| 20:50.00 | gsnedders | ah. it seems to have been old compiled files… make clean fixed it, but now failing in make install… "test -z "/usr/local/bin" || "/usr/local/bin" /bin/sh: line 1: /usr/local/bin: is a directory" |
| 20:53.56 | TylerM | bsod helped me learn lots ruskie ;) |
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| 21:01.42 | jannik | hi |
| 21:01.50 | Birdie | hey |
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| 21:12.13 | ruskie | TylerM, yeah it helped learn lots by having ppl switch to linux :) |
| 21:12.29 | TylerM | :D |
| 21:17.19 | Constitution | gsnedders: that seems to be a bug with certain versions of automake |
| 21:17.44 | Constitution | can you install version 1.9? |
| 21:18.52 | blast007 | I just dislike Creative |
| 21:19.33 | TheRedBaron | i like their mp3 players |
| 21:19.35 | gsnedders | Constitution: does it need to be 1.9? could I just try 1.10? |
| 21:19.44 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: I refuse to buy any of their products |
| 21:20.12 | Constitution | gsnedders: the problem appears to work with Automake version 1.10 |
| 21:20.38 | TheRedBaron | blast007: oh? |
| 21:20.42 | Constitution | I thought it was fixed, but ran into it again when I tried to compile using Automake 1.10 several days ago |
| 21:20.43 | gsnedders | Constitution: "the problem appears to work" meaning the problem occures or not? |
| 21:20.53 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: I don't like how they operate |
| 21:20.56 | TheRedBaron | know of any other good soundcard manufactor? |
| 21:21.04 | Constitution | er, sorry, the problem occurs with Automake 1.10 |
| 21:21.47 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: I'm typically fine with onboard audio |
| 21:22.17 | blast007 | think I have a Realtek audio chipset in my laptop |
| 21:24.49 | blast007 | and Intel HD audio in my desktop system |
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| 22:03.51 | a_meteorite | JeffM: ping |
| 22:04.39 | CBG | or DTRemenak, blast007... |
| 22:04.42 | a_meteorite | yeah.. |
| 22:06.08 | Erroneous | hm? |
| 22:06.11 | a_meteorite | Erroneous: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11108 |
| 22:06.35 | quine | mm |
| 22:06.58 | CBG | a_meteorite: /msg next time ! :P |
| 22:07.04 | a_meteorite | :P |
| 22:07.45 | AAA_awright | ooohhhh |
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| 22:13.21 | quine | anybody playing on a macbook and can't see shots on radar? |
| 22:13.34 | Winny | yup |
| 22:13.41 | Winny | turn off smoothing |
| 22:13.44 | quine | yeah |
| 22:13.49 | quine | but that makes other stuff look bad |
| 22:13.52 | quine | but i fixed it |
| 22:13.54 | quine | so it's only for shots |
| 22:14.09 | quine | like, smoothing is only turned off for shots |
| 22:14.19 | quine | the build is linked from http://shermanikk.net |
| 22:14.29 | quine | if you're interested, i guess :\ |
| 22:15.10 | Winny | you fixed it! :o |
| 22:15.14 | Winny | ~quine++ |
| 22:15.19 | quine | heh |
| 22:15.23 | quine | it was ONE line commented out |
| 22:15.26 | Winny | maybe post it on the forums? |
| 22:15.31 | quine | my friend did |
| 22:15.33 | quine | it's in releases |
| 22:15.36 | Winny | ah |
| 22:15.43 | JeffM | a_meteorite, ? |
| 22:15.44 | quine | (he's hosting it) |
| 22:15.56 | quine | it was an incredibly easy fix |
| 22:15.59 | a_meteorite | should be in enhancements, or bugs |
| 22:16.01 | a_meteorite | JeffM: Erroneous took care of it |
| 22:16.01 | quine | took me an entire two minutes |
| 22:16.34 | JeffM | agg |
| 22:17.33 | quine | would the thread really be better in enhancements or bugs? |
| 22:17.51 | tupone | to me is a bug |
| 22:18.29 | JeffM | it's a bug in the driver |
| 22:18.41 | JeffM | as other GL systems can display it properly |
| 22:19.00 | Winny | maybe delete this, JeffM?: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11110 |
| 22:19.05 | tupone | so ... bugs or patches (in SF) |
| 22:19.07 | TylerM | uh oh, what'd I do... "No fonts found" :) |
| 22:19.26 | Winny | They ran away, you scared them |
| 22:19.35 | a_meteorite | my god |
| 22:19.38 | a_meteorite | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11110 |
| 22:19.49 | CBG | a_meteorite: lookup about 7 lines |
| 22:19.56 | a_meteorite | oh heh |
| 22:20.22 | Winny | I beat you, a_meteorite! :p |
| 22:20.31 | a_meteorite | I saw it first! honest! |
| 22:20.50 | Winny | fair enough |
| 22:20.52 | quine | i posted another thread in bugs that links to the main thread |
| 22:21.23 | a_meteorite | Winny: all the summer n00bs are scary |
| 22:21.31 | Winny | indeed |
| 22:21.55 | JeffM | quine, the post exists, you have no need to double post about it, people will find it. |
| 22:22.13 | quine | :\ |
| 22:22.25 | quine | DELETED |
| 22:22.26 | quine | haha |
| 22:22.38 | JeffM | we don't do the double posting thing |
| 22:22.40 | quine | well...maybe it can be moved or something? releases is not very active |
| 22:22.42 | quine | sorry about that |
| 22:22.45 | JeffM | it's all moved |
| 22:23.04 | JeffM | find a real fix, instead of a workaround and submit it as a patch |
| 22:23.29 | JeffM | if your mac is OpenGL compliant then it should be able to draw a smoothed line. |
| 22:23.53 | quine | it works fine on mine, but not on sherman's |
| 22:24.04 | JeffM | then you don't truely understand the butg |
| 22:24.14 | JeffM | as I say, it is probably in the driver, not our code |
| 22:24.15 | quine | and the main workaround was people turning off smoothing altogether, though |
| 22:24.20 | quine | yeah, i know |
| 22:24.33 | quine | but i felt that being able to turn on smoothing enhances the game experience |
| 22:24.41 | JeffM | the code change is valid to post |
| 22:24.42 | quine | so it's a hackjob fix, i know |
| 22:25.05 | quine | yeah, i don't understand why opengl doesn't do point smoothing correctly on some intel macs |
| 22:25.23 | quine | but we just wanted people to be able to play somewhat normally |
| 22:25.30 | JeffM | that would be the driver |
| 22:25.45 | Winny | I actually find it easier to play without the dots, myself |
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| 22:25.51 | Erroneous | mmm, intel drivers. always fun. |
| 22:25.57 | JeffM | yeah |
| 22:26.04 | JeffM | and old intel drivers at that |
| 22:26.07 | JeffM | since apple takes a while to update |
| 22:26.15 | quine | indeed they do |
| 22:26.17 | JeffM | basicly the real fix is to get a real card ;) |
| 22:26.28 | quine | haha |
| 22:26.42 | quine | this hack is quicker and cheaper though :] |
| 22:26.54 | JeffM | or spend less on more hardware and buy non apple :) |
| 22:26.55 | a_meteorite | quick and cheap does not make it the best |
| 22:27.14 | quine | my aunt works at apple, this laptop was given to me as a present |
| 22:27.16 | JeffM | as I say submit a patch once you have a proper fix |
| 22:27.34 | JeffM | the boards are not the offical place for patches |
| 22:27.41 | quine | right |
| 22:27.53 | quine | does sourceforge host an intel mac release now? |
| 22:27.59 | JeffM | no |
| 22:28.04 | JeffM | 2.2 was going to be universal |
| 22:28.07 | quine | last i checked it was on some guy's site |
| 22:28.13 | quine | ahh, right, i read about that |
| 22:28.13 | JeffM | yup |
| 22:28.51 | Constitution | JeffM: was? |
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| 22:28.58 | JeffM | is |
| 22:28.59 | JeffM | whatever |
| 22:29.01 | sherman | alrighty |
| 22:29.05 | JeffM | we'll see when somone gets to it |
| 22:29.06 | quine | hey sherm |
| 22:29.31 | Constitution | I see |
| 22:30.14 | sherman | it's probably all the core duo macbooks, not the core 2 duo |
| 22:30.28 | sherman | and yes it's a dumb driver bug |
| 22:30.34 | sherman | so it's a dumb fix for a dumb bug |
| 22:30.55 | Constitution | I have a C2D macbook, and experience the issue |
| 22:31.01 | quine | actually i have a core 1 duo |
| 22:31.12 | sherman | yeah but you have a macbook pro |
| 22:31.14 | JeffM | do you all have intel onboard video? |
| 22:31.18 | sherman | which has the x1600, entirely different |
| 22:31.27 | JeffM | then it coudl be an AGL bug |
| 22:31.36 | Constitution | yep, macbook (not pro), intell integrated video |
| 22:31.40 | Constitution | *intel |
| 22:31.54 | sherman | we should compile a list to see what computers have it |
| 22:32.05 | quine | oh, i'm calling it a "hack" rather than a "fix" right now :\ |
| 22:32.05 | sherman | so you have a C2D Macbook, and have it |
| 22:32.12 | Constitution | yes |
| 22:32.12 | JeffM | or just redo the radar to not draw like a pig |
| 22:32.17 | quine | hehe |
| 22:32.23 | sherman | heh |
| 22:32.36 | sherman | yeah but that would require effort |
| 22:32.48 | JeffM | so does searching for what machiens have the issue |
| 22:32.50 | quine | yeah, this required constitution telling me "oh turn off smoothing" and two minutes of my time |
| 22:33.12 | Erroneous | or file a bug with apple |
| 22:33.20 | JeffM | and file a bug with apple |
| 22:33.23 | JeffM | not or ;) |
| 22:33.26 | Erroneous | yeah, and :) |
| 22:34.06 | sherman | yeah |
| 22:34.16 | JeffM | should turn the shots into textured quads :) |
| 22:34.18 | sherman | considering apple though it'll be around 2009 when it gets fixed |
| 22:34.31 | sherman | they never did fix the 12" powerbook video drivers |
| 22:34.34 | JeffM | it was your choice to give them your money :) |
| 22:34.37 | FiringSquad | place the call within a compiler directive to skip for Intel on XCode and add a comment - then it's a fix :-) |
| 22:34.51 | sherman | well that's the only problem I've had with the computer |
| 22:34.53 | sherman | otherwise it's been great |
| 22:34.55 | quine | hey, textured quads would work |
| 22:35.00 | JeffM | lots of things would work |
| 22:35.07 | JeffM | there are many other ways to draw the radar |
| 22:35.10 | sherman | there's about a million ways to fix this |
| 22:35.13 | JeffM | in general most modern cards are slow at lines |
| 22:35.23 | sherman | basically doing anything but the exact thing it's doing right now would fix it |
| 22:35.25 | JeffM | sherman, no, just 7 |
| 22:35.40 | JeffM | there are many other cases I'm sure tha wodn't work, if they inolved lines |
| 22:36.13 | quine | oh yeah, and i still have no idea why we have to build twice for changes to take effect |
| 22:37.08 | a_meteorite | "build twice for changes to take effect"? |
| 22:37.47 | sherman | in xcode, you have to build twice for any changes to actually compile |
| 22:37.48 | sherman | it's weird |
| 22:38.00 | quine | we thought we were going crazy before that |
| 22:38.04 | FiringSquad | probably a dependency problem |
| 22:38.06 | quine | it was using the previous build |
| 22:38.13 | quine | well, it IS using the previous build |
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| 22:42.27 | JeffM | xcode just calls the command line script |
| 22:42.43 | JeffM | perhaps there is an issue with the copy to the .app |
| 22:42.48 | FiringSquad | Dependancy Problem: Compile A if X modified - Create X if C modified |
| 22:42.50 | FiringSquad | If A is tested before C then it will take 2 builds to completely build app |
| 22:43.10 | quine | hm |
| 22:43.19 | JeffM | FiringSquad, there are other steps on the mac that happen only in xcode |
| 22:43.29 | JeffM | if it was a dependecy issue, it'd show up for linux builds too |
| 22:43.41 | sherman | oh yeah |
| 22:43.42 | sherman | the custom scripts fail too |
| 22:43.48 | quine | good point |
| 22:43.51 | sherman | apple changed the build directory structure |
| 22:43.53 | JeffM | that would be your problem then |
| 22:44.05 | sherman | it's no longer just /Build but /Build/<buildtype>/ |
| 22:44.06 | JeffM | the custom scripts are what do the final copy into the .app |
| 22:44.12 | quine | resources |
| 22:44.16 | JeffM | then fix them and submit a patch |
| 22:45.17 | FiringSquad | Familiar with XCode, but not with BZFlag project, hope to have time soon to develop a few patches |
| 22:45.24 | quine | hmm |
| 22:45.32 | quine | hey sherm, let's work on that. right now. |
| 22:45.50 | JeffM | FiringSquad, bzflag's xcode project just calls 2 scripts |
| 22:45.55 | JeffM | one does the command line build |
| 22:46.02 | JeffM | the second builds the app package |
| 22:46.17 | JeffM | so no dependency info is set in xcode for the compile/link |
| 22:46.27 | JeffM | it's all done by the same script that does all gcc builds |
| 22:46.45 | FiringSquad | i see |
| 22:47.04 | JeffM | it's mostly for maintainability |
| 22:52.22 | FiringSquad | I intend to submit a patch that will add sounds to Timer Events (Start, Pause, Expired, etc.) |
| 22:52.24 | FiringSquad | I hope to get to it sometime next month. |
| 22:52.30 | FiringSquad | I'm sure I'll have a few questions for you all then. |
| 22:52.46 | JeffM | it shold not be too complex I'd think |
| 22:53.25 | FiringSquad | Seems simple enough, Ticking the last few seconds looked a little messy though at first glance |
| 22:53.51 | JeffM | TimeKeeper::getcurrent().getseconds(); :) |
| 22:54.23 | FiringSquad | Wasn't sure where to place it. Didn't want to add sound to HudDisplay |
| 22:54.35 | JeffM | add it to the main loop |
| 22:55.11 | FiringSquad | Was my next place to look - :-) |
| 22:55.21 | Erroneous | HudDisplay itself probably shouldn't be counting at all |
| 22:57.34 | FiringSquad | That's why I didn't want to add it there - It would have worked but would not have been elegant enough |
| 22:57.51 | quine | so apparently favorite servers has already been implemented? |
| 22:58.18 | JeffM | chestal did it IIRC |
| 22:59.22 | quine | hmm |
| 22:59.31 | quine | allow user to mark servers as "favorites" in the server list |
| 22:59.58 | quine | problem is, it seems that a lot of match servers aren't public |
| 23:00.18 | quine | so i was thinking more of an obvious menu, similar in look to the server list menu |
| 23:00.23 | Erroneous | don't take the changelog too literally :) |
| 23:00.49 | JeffM | try it, your welcome to enhance it |
| 23:01.03 | quine | yeah, i was having problems with the hudui :] |
| 23:01.08 | Erroneous | hudui ftw! |
| 23:01.14 | JeffM | but note that there is no plan to release a 2.0.10 and all new work is to go into 2.1 for release as 2.2 |
| 23:01.18 | quine | yeah |
| 23:01.33 | Erroneous | yup, use trunk for that sort of thing |
| 23:01.47 | Erroneous | and be aware that the server list menu is busted on trunk right now |
| 23:01.55 | quine | huh. |
| 23:01.57 | quine | how so? |
| 23:02.06 | Erroneous | highlight doesn't follow input |
| 23:02.23 | quine | ah. |
| 23:02.33 | L4m3r | count before you hit that down arrow ;) |
| 23:02.58 | Erroneous | I changed the way we handle focus changes, and my brain got all tied in knots when I looked at the serverlistmenu code, so I left it for sometime I was More Awake (tm) |
| 23:03.07 | quine | hahaha |
| 23:03.58 | Erroneous | it needs a strong man with a machete to have a go at refactoring it |
| 23:06.46 | quine | huh |
| 23:07.03 | quine | new fancy addControl() instead of push_back() |
| 23:07.25 | Erroneous | handles more stuff automatically/consistently |
| 23:07.36 | Erroneous | don't have to deal with huduielements separately |
| 23:07.44 | Erroneous | course those are new too |
| 23:07.50 | Erroneous | if you're coming from 2.0 |
| 23:08.06 | quine | :\ |
| 23:08.08 | quine | yeah |
| 23:09.04 | Erroneous | huduielements are elements that are drawn, but don't process input and can't receive focus. huduicontrols are a subclass of huduielements which can handle input and receive focus. |
| 23:09.37 | Erroneous | huduicontrols can be added to menus in such a way that they get focus, or not, regardless of their position in the menu (i.e. no more parameters for initNavigation) |
| 23:09.51 | quine | ahh. |
| 23:10.00 | quine | that helps |
| 23:10.21 | Erroneous | it's more flexible at least |
| 23:10.31 | Erroneous | and lets you override navigation order |
| 23:10.36 | quine | man, at least the bzflag source isn't nearly as bad as MUD codebases |
| 23:10.53 | quine | written in c. with many, many structs. |
| 23:10.57 | Erroneous | heh |
| 23:11.10 | quine | fake OOP :\ |
| 23:11.22 | *** join/#bzflag spldart (n=troublem@cpe-24-28-106-78.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 23:11.23 | Erroneous | classes are just structs with function pointers ;) |
| 23:11.39 | quine | yeah, but that makes it way neater |
| 23:11.41 | CIA-3 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/GPLib/ (inc/openGL.h src/openGL.cpp): add a GLColor class for simplicity |
| 23:11.43 | Erroneous | true :) |
| 23:11.44 | JeffM | that default to public |
| 23:13.43 | *** join/#bzflag jude- (n=jude@c-68-84-206-92.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) |
| 23:13.47 | jude- | hello all |
| 23:13.53 | quine | hi |
| 23:19.29 | Erroneous | howdy jude- |
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| 23:39.24 | CIA-3 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/GPLib/ (inc/openGL.h src/openGL.cpp): store colors in an array so that we can use the fv gl funcs |
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| 23:44.43 | Epyon | Yet, looking at bzflag/src/geometry/models/tank/* made me shiver -_- |
| 23:45.48 | jude- | me too |
| 23:45.53 | Epyon | :D |
| 23:52.04 | JeffM | yeah tank drawing sucks |
| 23:52.12 | JeffM | thats the only thing drawn that way thankfully |
| 23:53.36 | JeffM | if you need tank dimensions, you can get them elsewhere |
| 23:56.35 | jude- | here's a good one: http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bentz/bzflag/maptemplate.gif |
| 23:56.39 | brlcad | structs with function pointers ftw! |
| 23:57.01 | jude- | lol |
| 23:57.33 | jude- | OO programming without the OO :P |
| 23:58.12 | JeffM | jude http://my.bzflag.org/w/Tank has the correct dimensions |
| 23:58.17 | JeffM | your lenght is wrong |
| 23:58.19 | jude- | oh |
| 23:58.30 | jude- | mine's an old link anyway |
| 23:58.38 | jude- | sorry |
