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| 00:10.54 | GrandHustla | hahaha:) |
| 00:11.08 | Erroneous | careful with that erroneous surfing |
| 00:11.38 | GrandHustla | anyone else here banned bzflagcheat.blogspot..com from multiple servers? |
| 00:11.58 | Winny | indeed |
| 00:15.11 | Constitution | Like 90% admin-asking |
| 00:15.29 | Erroneous | ban 'em |
| 00:15.43 | JeffM | go reg only |
| 00:15.54 | Constitution | The server no longer exists |
| 00:16.06 | Constitution | just reminiscing |
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| 00:28.19 | CBG | Would it be possible, at all in 2.0, to have something happen if a player takes a flag into a specific area? |
| 00:28.43 | JeffM | like what happen? |
| 00:29.31 | JeffM | there are a couple plugins that drop flags or do other actions when players exit an area |
| 00:29.37 | JeffM | be simple to reverse that |
| 00:29.56 | CBG | For example, my idea is that you have to "build your base" - you just bring Useless flags or whatever, into an area and the "base level" increases by one, a message is sent out from the server saying that Team A's base is 4 stages ahead of Team B's, etc.... |
| 00:30.11 | JeffM | sure |
| 00:30.18 | JeffM | that'd be simple |
| 00:30.26 | CBG | Cool :) |
| 00:30.44 | JeffM | changing graphicals would have to be changes to bzdb vars, or firing off world weaps |
| 00:31.43 | CBG | Yeah, would it be possible to make World Weapons fire too? Or even, as the base level increases, the frequency of world weapons increases... |
| 00:32.00 | JeffM | plugins can fire weaps |
| 00:32.06 | JeffM | whenever they want |
| 00:32.12 | CBG | So before they collect any flags, they have one WW going off each minute. As they collect more flags, the WW goes off more often. |
| 00:32.21 | CBG | Sweet..! Thanks JeffM. |
| 00:32.32 | CBG | Now I just need a sucker to code this. heh |
| 00:33.36 | JeffM | crickets... |
| 00:33.52 | CBG | heh, I wasn't exactly asking ;) |
| 00:35.03 | CBG | The sucker may even be myself, it's just that a dead cat could do it better and quicker than I. |
| 00:35.39 | JeffM | the plugin I made for louman for flag stay, you should be able to mod that simple |
| 00:35.59 | JeffM | it checks to see if a flag is leavs an area |
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| 00:37.01 | CBG | so, instead I check if the flag enters... mm, it would need to be dropped though and then disappear - or go elsewhere on the map.. same thing. |
| 00:37.03 | JeffM | just reverse that logic and then change the action ( it just drops the flag now ) |
| 00:37.10 | CBG | yeah, ok |
| 00:37.15 | JeffM | it does that now |
| 00:37.18 | JeffM | zaps the flag |
| 00:37.20 | JeffM | etc.. |
| 00:38.10 | CBG | ok, cool |
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| 02:09.14 | Macrosoft | anyone here that knows what virtual class members are in C++ |
| 02:09.16 | Macrosoft | ? |
| 02:11.10 | Macrosoft | no? |
| 02:11.34 | brad | ask in #c++ |
| 02:56.55 | nn-laptop | hi |
| 02:58.11 | nn-laptop | hi brad your setup seem stable i keep hitting top band with it's cool that there are somany people but its anoying constantly killing the bad ones if you know what i meen |
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| 03:09.25 | AWOSLappy | bzf.bzflag.org port 5155 ewqrwerqw is cheating |
| 03:09.29 | AWOSLappy | ncapping way too fast |
| 03:09.44 | AWOSLappy | nhe is getting kicked for high jitter but still he keeps coming back |
| 03:09.50 | Winny | k |
| 03:09.59 | Winny | ill grab a GU admin |
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| 04:18.29 | nn-laptop | AWOSLappy, i got arid of him |
| 04:18.33 | nn-laptop | using |
| 04:19.19 | nn-laptop | using /ban 200.120.106.* 6w Cheeter!!!! |
| 04:19.40 | tannerld | cheater is spelt wrong :P |
| 04:19.50 | nn-laptop | oups |
| 04:20.20 | nn-laptop | well he will get the point any way |
| 04:21.06 | Constitution | /ban 1.*.*.* forever cheater, /ban 2.*.*.*... /ban 3.*.*.*, and so on... then you'll be rid of cheaters permanently |
| 04:22.25 | nn-laptop | lol and loose every person as well which i dont want |
| 04:22.49 | blast007 | /ban *.*.*.* 0 u r all cheaterz! |
| 04:23.18 | nn-laptop | ho great that is a bit extream i think |
| 04:23.23 | Constitution | blast007: I don't think bzfs will accept a ban on *.*.*.* ;-) |
| 04:23.36 | blast007 | mod it so it does ;) |
| 04:24.00 | Constitution | lol |
| 04:24.40 | nn-laptop | oh ! its late bye 0:24 here |
| 04:24.48 | Constitution | bye |
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| 05:40.18 | jude- | hello all |
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| 07:11.47 | daniel_jackson | hey guys |
| 07:12.49 | AWOSLappy | Hi. |
| 07:13.41 | daniel_jackson | one of my player's on missilewar, pointed out a blog site, talking about modifying clients for cheat purposes, I just wanted to find out it anyone is pursuing this problem |
| 07:14.10 | daniel_jackson | http://bzflagcheat.blogspot.com/ |
| 07:16.03 | AWOSLappy | daniel_jackson: yeah we prefer it if you DONT speak of it over the "loudspeaker" known as IRC |
| 07:16.05 | L4m3r | yes, it is well known and it would be appreciated if you did not post that here |
| 07:16.31 | L4m3r | Molez is an ass, yes, but it's not necessary to give him more exposure |
| 07:16.48 | daniel_jackson | ok I get the picture thanks guys |
| 07:16.48 | jude- | daniel_jackson: the best way to fix it is to NOT mention it--by not mentioning it, you reduce the likelyhood of some script kiddie googling it |
| 07:16.56 | L4m3r | the site is compliant with the GPL and AFAIK we can't do anything about it |
| 07:17.19 | L4m3r | heh |
| 07:18.07 | daniel_jackson | ok I had a player bring it up to me, and I just wanted to make sure, that "upper management" was taking care of it |
| 07:18.44 | jude- | daniel_jackson: the "upper management" has been taking care of it for years :) |
| 07:18.53 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 07:19.10 | AWOSLappy | :) |
| 07:19.12 | jude- | it's not meant offensively; it's just that there's nothing they can do about it |
| 07:19.28 | jude- | ...sort of closing the source code |
| 07:19.35 | AWOSLappy | *short |
| 07:19.36 | daniel_jackson | thats what I was looking for |
| 07:19.49 | jude- | yeah, *short |
| 07:19.54 | AWOSLappy | :D |
| 07:20.24 | jude- | cool--OpenSceneGraph can be embedded in FLTK... |
| 07:20.34 | L4m3r | it's an inevitable problem with open-source games |
| 07:20.47 | AWOSLappy | right |
| 07:20.53 | L4m3r | hopefully an improved server state will make such blatant cheats more difficult |
| 07:21.02 | jude- | L4m3r: it is always possible to have a global authentification "members only" system |
| 07:21.12 | jude- | ...and we can ban anyone who cheats perminently :) |
| 07:21.14 | L4m3r | of course |
| 07:21.16 | daniel_jackson | yep I understand, as I was telling awo, I'm just trying to be a good admin |
| 07:21.17 | AWOSLappy | L4m3r: there are bzfs changes to make cheats difficult? |
| 07:21.26 | L4m3r | of course |
| 07:21.30 | AWOSLappy | neat |
| 07:21.31 | L4m3r | but they're rudimentary |
| 07:21.49 | L4m3r | various detect-and-kick mechanisms |
| 07:21.50 | AWOSLappy | global authentication won't help jude- some of the cheaters are actually reged afaict |
| 07:22.09 | AWOSLappy | L$m3r: like the already in-place "kick if your jitter is too high"? |
| 07:22.14 | AWOSLappy | L4m3r: like the already in-place "kick if your jitter is too high"? |
| 07:22.37 | L4m3r | like "your tank is moving too fast" |
| 07:22.44 | L4m3r | "outside the arena" |
| 07:23.06 | AWOSLappy | L4m3r: oh neat |
| 07:23.20 | L4m3r | a few others |
| 07:23.31 | AWOSLappy | nL4m3r: I know, duh, but, you are making sure that the "Agility" flag doesn't get kicked? |
| 07:23.39 | AWOSLappy | r/n// |
| 07:24.21 | daniel_jackson | well thanks for the info guys, cya |
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| 07:24.42 | L4m3r | yes, those exist :) |
| 07:24.55 | L4m3r | false positives exist, but are pretty rare |
| 07:25.00 | AWOSLappy | hehe |
| 07:25.18 | AWOSLappy | L4m3r: I got kicked for excess jitter when my Intarwebz were sucking |
| 07:25.32 | AWOSLappy | so I'm full well aware of false positives :P |
| 07:25.41 | L4m3r | unfortunately the client-heavy nature of the game limits the ability of the server to do sophisticated hit detection, for example |
| 07:25.56 | AWOSLappy | what would hit detection do? |
| 07:26.19 | L4m3r | kill the god mode cheat... |
| 07:27.18 | L4m3r | a more authoritative game state would allow for a dumber client, which in turn limits the client's ability to cheat |
| 07:27.24 | jude- | L4m3r: I know it's not perfect, but one thing that could be done would be to require users to develop a verification script or binary as part of the client/server connection protocol that would md5 the binary and send the result back, transparent to the user. |
| 07:27.42 | AWOSLappy | md5sum! |
| 07:27.50 | AWOSLappy | perfect and fast even on my old Celeron 500! |
| 07:28.08 | jude- | s/develop/run |
| 07:28.10 | AWOSLappy | but the server would have to know a LOT of md5sums |
| 07:28.11 | L4m3r | jude-: it would provide little protection beyond the current version string |
| 07:28.22 | AWOSLappy | and dev builds would SUCK |
| 07:28.25 | L4m3r | and there are legitimate players who compile their own |
| 07:28.52 | AWOSLappy | see above what I said |
| 07:28.55 | AWOSLappy | dev builds would suck :P |
| 07:29.00 | brlcad | there's nothing to prevent them from just sending back the expected/computed result either |
| 07:29.11 | AWOSLappy | brlcad: >_> |
| 07:29.16 | AWOSLappy | three devs didn't think of that |
| 07:29.18 | AWOSLappy | that's sad |
| 07:29.19 | AWOSLappy | :P |
| 07:30.07 | jude- | brlcad: it doesn't have to be limited to md5...it could also include temporal data or a one-time cypher |
| 07:31.23 | L4m3r | AWOSLappy: I did, but I hadn't gotten around to mentioning it |
| 07:31.36 | brlcad | jude-: there's really not much that can be done -- at worst they could always mod the client and proxy any/all requests to the "real" client to get a valid response |
| 07:31.50 | brlcad | AWOSLappy: this is nothing new, by far |
| 07:32.01 | brlcad | we've had this discussion dozens of times over the years |
| 07:32.19 | brlcad | it's almost categorically the same every time too .. |
| 07:32.25 | brlcad | just the names are different |
| 07:33.11 | jude- | brlcad: ultimately there is no bullet-proof solution...but if the necessary hack is complex enough, difficult enough, or time-consuming enough, it may divert some of the annoying scipt kiddies |
| 07:33.15 | brlcad | the real effort should go into the game state and networking, that's where the money shot is |
| 07:34.44 | brlcad | jude-: i've said similar things myself over the years, but really the issue is that it's almost guaranteed to be easier to circumvent than it is to put measures into place |
| 07:35.28 | brlcad | something that was time-consuming enough would take a considerable amount of implementation effort, and the crackers only need to break it once to make all that effort wasted |
| 07:36.14 | brlcad | that same level of effort put into the game state, however, would make many if not all of the current cheats go away entirely |
| 07:36.20 | jude- | you're right--it's better to put the effor toward improving the game |
| 07:36.36 | jude- | *effort |
| 07:37.09 | AWOSLappy | yeah |
| 07:38.44 | L4m3r | the issue is not complex enough to justify draconian verification schemes |
| 07:39.15 | L4m3r | the server needs to be smarter, and the client needs to be dumber... that's the main issue ;) |
| 07:40.08 | brlcad | and the infrastructure easier to manage |
| 07:40.14 | brlcad | without locking everything down |
| 07:40.40 | brlcad | forced registration sucks |
| 07:40.53 | L4m3r | indeed |
| 07:41.09 | L4m3r | it's also popularity suicide, which is why most server owners won't do it |
| 07:41.58 | L4m3r | but in-client registration would make it a lot less painless ;) |
| 07:42.04 | brlcad | very true |
| 07:42.07 | L4m3r | re |
| 07:42.10 | L4m3r | more painless |
| 07:42.20 | AWOSLappy | haha |
| 07:42.34 | brlcad | with an arrangement that didn't require players to leave and check an e-mail too -- at least for that day |
| 07:47.08 | L4m3r | yeah, you're not the first to think along those lines :) |
| 07:47.31 | L4m3r | it makes sense, but there are better approaches, that's all |
| 07:47.37 | jude- | tis true |
| 07:48.10 | L4m3r | Someone (tm) will do it Someday (tm) When they get around to it (tm) |
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| 08:03.00 | L4m3r | new website stuffs: http://l4m3r.bzflag.org/gsoc/ |
| 08:04.05 | jude- | L4m3r: neat! |
| 08:04.17 | L4m3r | :) |
| 08:06.26 | purple_cow | oof |
| 08:07.27 | jude- | heh |
| 08:07.46 | jude- | it'll be more in a few days once I get OpenSceneGraph to work with FLTK |
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| 08:14.54 | jude- | brlcad: regarding the GSoC developer requirement to be on IRC while coding... |
| 08:15.09 | jude- | my family and I are taking a road-trip in mid-July |
| 08:15.21 | jude- | would it be excusable for me to develop on my laptop while driving? |
| 08:15.33 | jude- | ...and be away from IRC until an internet connection becomes available? |
| 08:15.48 | jude- | (i.e. upon checking into a hotel)? |
| 08:23.17 | jude- | ...or would you prefer I just not develop while on the road? |
| 08:24.50 | jude- | (as opposed to not developing at all, that is) |
| 08:26.17 | purple_cow | where is this requirement? |
| 08:28.11 | jude- | purple_cow: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code_Acceptance |
| 08:28.35 | purple_cow | ah |
| 08:28.50 | purple_cow | I think an exception can be made here |
| 08:29.08 | jude- | thanks! :) |
| 08:29.27 | purple_cow | I think the requirement there is mostly just to prevent people from working in a vacuum all summer and then dumping some code at the end |
| 08:29.34 | jude- | heh |
| 08:29.38 | jude- | I won't do that :) |
| 08:30.07 | jude- | ...although the commits for those days may be a bit...bigger...given the extra time I'll have |
| 08:30.38 | purple_cow | naturally |
| 08:31.13 | jude- | heh |
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| 12:46.13 | nn-gentoo | im having trubble? |
| 12:46.38 | nn-gentoo | when the client james my computer and i have to re boot |
| 12:46.53 | nn-gentoo | the ssh that started some servers died |
| 12:47.11 | nn-gentoo | or the client dies causing the server to crash! |
| 12:48.12 | nn-gentoo | so the server is then un functunal and gets stuck near the top of the list with out being there??? what is happening |
| 12:49.56 | TheRedBaron | your second sentence doesn't exactly make sense |
| 12:50.05 | TheRedBaron | when the client james my computer? |
| 12:50.47 | scott | rm -rf |
| 12:50.59 | TheRedBaron | rm -rf /* |
| 12:51.27 | scott | oh, good call |
| 12:51.52 | scott | nn-gentoo: the answer is 42 |
| 12:52.24 | TheRedBaron | nn-gentoo: run the server in screen |
| 12:52.57 | TheRedBaron | ~seen orange |
| 12:53.03 | ibot | orange <n=mdw@about/essy/gummy/pdpc.supporter.active.orange> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 181d 14h 44m 32s ago, saying: 'bye all'. |
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| 13:40.36 | donny_baker | nn-gentoo: is english you primary language, or are you using a translator program? |
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| 14:12.19 | KTL | 42 it is |
| 14:17.21 | Winny | ~lart donny_baker |
| 14:17.21 | ibot | farts in donny_baker's general direction |
| 14:19.24 | Winny | and tomer makes the rounds again... |
| 14:20.14 | CBG | *sigh* |
| 14:27.00 | TheRedBaron | uso: = mana correct? |
| 14:28.01 | Winny | yes |
| 14:28.12 | Winny | took my awhile to figure that one out ;) |
| 14:28.26 | brad | heh |
| 14:28.27 | CBG | ... |
| 14:28.34 | Winny | ... |
| 14:29.10 | donny_baker | Winny: yeah, I think his primary purpose is just cause trouble (tomer) |
| 14:29.58 | TheRedBaron | I get uso confused, thinking its either mana or massa |
| 14:30.10 | TheRedBaron | uso: and pardon the 'it' |
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| 15:42.43 | randomparticle | is it possible to adjust bzflag brightness without changing the brightness of the whole screen? |
| 15:43.35 | blast007 | ah, for when playing in a window? |
| 15:43.38 | blast007 | not that I know of |
| 15:43.39 | randomparticle | yes |
| 15:43.52 | randomparticle | it adjusts the display gamma? |
| 15:44.02 | blast007 | something like that |
| 15:44.05 | randomparticle | ok |
| 15:44.16 | randomparticle | how do other games manage this? |
| 15:44.46 | randomparticle | they seem to operate differently. at least, the ones i've tried |
| 15:45.07 | blast007 | there's probably more than one method for controlling brightness/contrast/gamma |
| 15:45.23 | blast007 | might differ between DirectX and OpenGL as well, for instance |
| 15:47.28 | randomparticle | i can't think of another app that brightness adjustments that affects the brightness of things outside its own window |
| 15:47.50 | randomparticle | so there must be another way of doing it successfully |
| 15:48.13 | blast007 | patches welcome ;) |
| 15:48.20 | TimRiker | :) |
| 15:48.30 | randomparticle | will look into it :) |
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| 16:21.42 | JeffM | is it time to go home yet? |
| 16:21.53 | gnu-sense | Hello -- Is there a plan to update the stats site? |
| 16:22.11 | JeffM | plan? |
| 16:22.14 | JeffM | no plan |
| 16:22.21 | JeffM | never any plans |
| 16:22.48 | gnu-sense | I just got an email from strayer saying one of the devs was asking him about some of his stats scripts |
| 16:23.00 | gnu-sense | maybe that isnt a plan |
| 16:23.01 | JeffM | someone may be asking |
| 16:23.09 | JeffM | people do what they want |
| 16:23.12 | JeffM | when they want |
| 16:24.34 | gnu-sense | hmm. well in that vein, can I ask what might be permitted uses of the stats? I'm interested in developing a social network analysis that could become an application for bzf |
| 16:25.07 | JeffM | you can do whatever you want with whatever you want :) |
| 16:25.17 | JeffM | our stats site is LGPL just like bzflag |
| 16:26.46 | gnu-sense | yes but the stats information might have privacy implications, at least for some, and I want to clear that somehow. I want to do this both for bzf and for academic research purposes, and I have to prepare a Human Subjects application |
| 16:27.24 | gnu-sense | its important that I be clear in that about the nature of the info. as far as I can tell, its public, but ppl might think otherwise |
| 16:27.57 | JeffM | the site collects it's own, and it's up to each server to dissalow stat collectiing if they want |
| 16:28.07 | JeffM | the only info we store is the server list |
| 16:28.10 | JeffM | and anyone can get that |
| 16:30.07 | gnu-sense | strayer has several months worth of bzflag who-is-on-what-server-and-what-team data at five minute intervals. This is of course from the server list and the servers themselves, and anyone can/could get it. But as far as I know it is only aggregated on his site. I would do the SNA on that. |
| 16:30.41 | blast007 | JeffM: well, we store names, scores, strenth indexes, email strings, and the last server/time they were seen |
| 16:31.01 | JeffM | as collected by the stats page |
| 16:31.05 | JeffM | but yeah |
| 16:31.10 | gnu-sense | yes |
| 16:31.20 | JeffM | there is no license for that data |
| 16:31.32 | blast007 | gnu-sense: with the m.b.o stats site, it only stores what is shown on the site |
| 16:31.48 | blast007 | strayer might have a more time-line based database |
| 16:31.52 | JeffM | strayer's data is his data |
| 16:32.01 | JeffM | he can do what he wants with it |
| 16:32.07 | JeffM | we have no public privacy pollicy |
| 16:33.29 | gnu-sense | Well interesting position. |
| 16:33.47 | ruskie | might be nice to add a "I don't want my data sampled" |
| 16:33.50 | ruskie | option |
| 16:33.59 | ruskie | so that players can acctually choose that |
| 16:35.31 | gnu-sense | I agree on that, although bzf has operated without that, and people are assumed to know (?) so it gets a little unclear at least. It would be hard to drop people from the SNA if I had to do the filtering. |
| 16:36.33 | TheRedBaron | ruskie: how would that be possible? |
| 16:37.34 | gnu-sense | FYI, my interest in the SNA at this time is in community health, as was raised on the forums a couple months ago. I'd like to establish long-term and short-term periodic patterns, and any general trends, or responses to events (e.g. release of Wii may have drawn people away from some online games). |
| 16:37.59 | gnu-sense | baron, I think it would require server modifications |
| 16:38.16 | TheRedBaron | gnu-sense: then it would be server based, not player based |
| 16:38.19 | TheRedBaron | player/client |
| 16:38.42 | ruskie | client would tell the server which would let the stats gatherer know about it |
| 16:38.43 | TheRedBaron | it seems ruskie is looking for a player option, not a server owner option |
| 16:39.03 | TheRedBaron | ruskie: although, anyone with a modified server can easily override the clients option |
| 16:39.20 | gnu-sense | like maybe a /hidestats command to the server |
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| 16:39.36 | gnu-sense | but that is a server mod |
| 16:39.39 | TheRedBaron | gnu-sense: mostly impossible |
| 16:39.54 | Erroneous | "mostly impossible"...I like the sound of that |
| 16:39.54 | ruskie | TheRedBaron, well if you are regular on a server you ussualy trust the admins... |
| 16:40.16 | TheRedBaron | ruskie: its not the admins to look out for, but the server owner/operator |
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| 16:41.26 | ruskie | well |
| 16:41.33 | ruskie | you have the same with cheating currently |
| 16:41.39 | ruskie | trust the client |
| 16:41.44 | ruskie | not much changes |
| 16:42.11 | TheRedBaron | heh |
| 16:42.29 | TheRedBaron | the analogy doesn't seem applicable |
| 16:42.53 | ruskie | I find it the same |
| 16:43.01 | blast007 | could be done at the list server itself, via a global name |
| 16:43.36 | blast007 | a previous version of the stats site had user registration |
| 16:43.40 | blast007 | back in 1.7 |
| 16:43.55 | blast007 | you could reset your stats |
| 16:45.30 | ruskie | that sounds nice |
| 16:46.53 | gnu-sense | hmm so as an application, you think an option to mask the stats/SNA after the fact? Still that could be hard. |
| 16:47.51 | quantumdot | ruskie: let me just mention that, once the server is public all the info (apart from IP) can be obtained by anyone freely connecting to the server. So once you connect your callsign, email str, time of connection, etc is public |
| 16:48.02 | TheRedBaron | correct |
| 16:48.04 | quantumdot | one can write a simple app to gather that info on each server |
| 16:48.24 | gnu-sense | presently, I plan to do the SNA on the level of the server. The same info of course is available to SNA of the players. One of my interests there concerns time zone and geography |
| 16:48.26 | TheRedBaron | ruskie: its akin to having a /hidestats option when browsing the net |
| 16:48.44 | quantumdot | no need for asking for stats, you can gather them yourself freely and publicly |
| 16:49.09 | quantumdot | i mean: there is nothing private on that |
| 16:49.11 | ruskie | TheRedBaron, but I do :) |
| 16:49.34 | gnu-sense | true, and this is what strayer does i believe. I just want to make sure that this is in fact the understanding |
| 16:49.51 | quantumdot | gnu-sense: i see your concern |
| 16:49.57 | quantumdot | but there is no reason for it |
| 16:50.01 | quantumdot | as far as i know |
| 16:50.13 | quantumdot | unless IPs are handled, which will be not |
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| 16:50.24 | quantumdot | handles/delivered |
| 16:50.28 | TheRedBaron | ruskie: not quite |
| 16:50.39 | TheRedBaron | sure, there are ways of masking/hiding etc etc |
| 16:50.46 | TheRedBaron | but the point remains, stats are sent |
| 16:50.58 | ruskie | can't be a stat unless you can link it to me :) |
| 16:51.09 | TheRedBaron | Figures don't lie |
| 16:51.11 | gnu-sense | one way of hiding is to change one's callsign, and people do this already |
| 16:51.15 | TheRedBaron | but liars can figure |
| 16:51.32 | gnu-sense | using something unregistered i mean |
| 16:51.43 | ruskie | the only stat you can get is that suddenly you got 3 hits at the same moment for the same site from the same ip |
| 16:51.55 | ruskie | which is not the same ip I have :) |
| 16:52.05 | TheRedBaron | its still a stat, thats what i'm saying |
| 16:52.21 | TheRedBaron | you browse the net with a /hide identity option |
| 16:52.34 | TheRedBaron | not a /hidestat |
| 16:52.59 | ruskie | http://www.thenoobcomic.com/daily/strip089.html <-- lol now that would be an interesting addition to anygame :) |
| 16:53.46 | gnu-sense | oh sick |
| 16:53.51 | gnu-sense | longer-term I'd like to look at tactics within gameplay. This would require cooperation of one or more server admins. |
| 16:54.18 | quantumdot | gnu-sense: coming back to your point; i see no problem in the data you are asking, since you could (if wished) grab them yourself connecting with a mod client to each server. The only info you could get is by definition public. |
| 16:54.58 | quantumdot | there are indeed several statbots running around the servers |
| 16:55.19 | quantumdot | only the admin could decide to kick or ban it for whatever reason |
| 16:55.23 | gnu-sense | is there documentation on what they collect? |
| 16:55.50 | quantumdot | they collect stats: player, scores, ratio, client (perhaps) |
| 16:56.17 | quantumdot | whatever a player could grab when connecting freely to a public server is public info |
| 16:56.48 | quantumdot | brad is running a stats on GU servers, you may ask him |
| 16:57.03 | gnu-sense | it would be nice to have something that corresponds to a log of gameplay. Something like the /savemsgs gives would be a start, maybe good enough for many purposes |
| 16:57.11 | gnu-sense | ill keep brad in mind |
| 16:57.11 | quantumdot | same statsbot is also running in other places |
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| 16:57.28 | ruskie | erm like the replay recording on the server? or -echo ? |
| 16:57.36 | quantumdot | gnu-sense: i see that's what a bzadmin would grab for you |
| 16:58.04 | quantumdot | getting the kills for instance? |
| 16:58.25 | ruskie | would be nice if clients could record games and be able to play them back |
| 16:58.39 | quantumdot | there is some software for that ruskie |
| 16:58.41 | quantumdot | external |
| 16:58.51 | quantumdot | we tried it one year ago |
| 16:58.55 | gnu-sense | yes. kills are an important part of it. something that would get at tactical situations would be helpful too. and lag -- an important variable in gameplay |
| 16:59.04 | gnu-sense | ruskie: agreed on that |
| 16:59.07 | quantumdot | until the record pluggin was ready |
| 16:59.15 | ruskie | quantumdot, but that's server-side |
| 16:59.35 | gnu-sense | so there is a record server-side plugin? |
| 16:59.45 | quantumdot | yes gnu-sense |
| 16:59.50 | ruskie | I would like a client side option for that... |
| 17:00.06 | quantumdot | league matches are ALL recorded |
| 17:00.14 | quantumdot | in ducati and GU that's it |
| 17:00.20 | quantumdot | that is* |
| 17:00.29 | gnu-sense | Interesting. that would take care of everything for that purpose. |
| 17:00.34 | quantumdot | yes |
| 17:00.57 | quantumdot | quol.bzflag.org:5160 |
| 17:01.02 | quantumdot | is a replay server |
| 17:01.05 | quantumdot | for instance |
| 17:01.17 | gnu-sense | ah right. I had seen it. |
| 17:01.33 | quantumdot | you cannot play there, just watch |
| 17:01.48 | quantumdot | you chose what match and sit down |
| 17:02.07 | gnu-sense | interesting. I should look at that. |
| 17:02.28 | gnu-sense | it would give me some more questions, I'm sure |
| 17:02.32 | quantumdot | it's like being in obv mode, you can move your view point, follow players, etc |
| 17:02.50 | quantumdot | skip time on and back |
| 17:02.59 | quantumdot | etc |
| 17:03.14 | gnu-sense | is the record fiel format documented somewhere? |
| 17:03.18 | gnu-sense | file |
| 17:03.42 | quantumdot | i dont know really |
| 17:03.57 | gnu-sense | I should look up the plug-in. |
| 17:04.08 | quantumdot | but you cannot get the file i warn you, you can replay it online only |
| 17:05.11 | quantumdot | but with some mods to hide private info the record plugging could stored data you look for |
| 17:05.17 | gnu-sense | yes on the server, but if I set up a server with a record plugin, I can generate files for that, or if another admin has such files then maybe I could use those. That has human subject considerations I dont want to address yet though. |
| 17:05.23 | quantumdot | if some admin is willing to use it for you |
| 17:05.36 | gnu-sense | yes |
| 17:05.42 | quantumdot | :) you read up my mind |
| 17:06.21 | gnu-sense | well this has been really helpful to me. |
| 17:07.21 | gnu-sense | thanks to everyone here |
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| 17:14.36 | quantumdot | TheRedBaron: PM |
| 17:18.27 | QuantumBeep | wow, players have no fucking idea what CTF is |
| 17:19.07 | ruskie | QuantumBeep, only noticed that now? |
| 17:19.11 | randomparticle | is that the game where you go for personal score whilst pretending to care about flags? :) |
| 17:19.37 | QuantumBeep | It's hte game where you leave your flag sitting right next to the enemy base and go camp somewhere/ |
| 17:20.14 | QuantumBeep | We really need a game that scores players based on captures and flag holder kills. |
| 17:20.24 | QuantumBeep | Mixing FFA and CTF the wat BZflag does is retarded. |
| 17:20.44 | randomparticle | those kills/deaths scores should be hidden in ctf |
| 17:21.12 | ruskie | yup |
| 17:21.31 | ruskie | but there are some compulsive ctfers as well |
| 17:21.33 | QuantumBeep | Players should get points for materially playing CTF |
| 17:21.36 | ruskie | they are annoying as well... |
| 17:21.59 | ruskie | they completly ignore everything and everyone and just head straight for the flag all the time |
| 17:22.30 | QuantumBeep | That's not annoying, that's how you're supposed to play |
| 17:22.44 | ruskie | even when teams are uneven they'll run for it then camp at it or keep picking it up etc... |
| 17:22.55 | QuantumBeep | That's just tard behavior. |
| 17:23.06 | QuantumBeep | But, hell, Halo, will let you do that |
| 17:23.32 | randomparticle | on the public gu servers we'd often get some useless players, score of 1-30 or something like that who would be playing ctf alone when nobody else is |
| 17:23.54 | QuantumBeep | Capping against a really weak team is just being a bad player. |
| 17:23.57 | ruskie | same on vipers |
| 17:24.12 | ruskie | QuantumBeep, well that's what the compulsive ctfers do |
| 17:24.22 | QuantumBeep | You don't win any respect for that fucked up shit, so let them do it. |
| 17:24.27 | randomparticle | hmm.. here's another thing. maybe stronger players should be assigned to weaker teams |
| 17:24.48 | QuantumBeep | But then you have people doing stupid shit that gets them ranked higher in the boards. |
| 17:24.49 | Hannibal | BZ doesnt know who's 'stronger' |
| 17:24.56 | randomparticle | you know how it is at viper.. you get a team of experienced players against a team almost entirely composed of beginners |
| 17:25.06 | randomparticle | the strength stats could be used |
| 17:25.07 | ruskie | yup |
| 17:25.16 | Hannibal | It doesnt track player stats. |
| 17:25.30 | Erroneous | QuantumBeep: please do not use vulgar language here |
| 17:25.32 | QuantumBeep | *gulp* |
| 17:25.33 | randomparticle | it could do.. this is suggestino for the future |
| 17:25.33 | Hannibal | scores are reset whenever you leave a server. |
| 17:25.46 | QuantumBeep | I spent five minutes talking here and din't realize what channel I was in. |
| 17:25.52 | Erroneous | yup, I figured :) |
| 17:25.53 | QuantumBeep | I thought I was elsewhere. Sorry guys |
| 17:26.01 | Erroneous | sounded like mofo-channel to me :) |
| 17:26.03 | Erroneous | np |
| 17:26.40 | randomparticle | i've seen entire teams of 6 or 7 players at viper with barely 1 kill between them |
| 17:26.46 | ruskie | :) |
| 17:26.48 | ruskie | if that |
| 17:26.52 | randomparticle | hehe |
| 17:27.00 | QuantumBeep | Yeah. I don't understand why blue tanks and shots are so dark. |
| 17:27.27 | QuantumBeep | I've played on 30 or 40 different monitors, and I know for a fact that blue is harder to see, giving a massive advantage. |
| 17:27.58 | ruskie | I can't play as red on viper |
| 17:28.12 | QuantumBeep | I once asked if there was any chance of a setting to change colors, and the answer I got was, "well, there's a setting in the conf file, that should be good enough". Which is, of course, absurd. |
| 17:28.15 | Erroneous | you can change the colors. the default is rather difficult to see, I admit; I think it was set that way to show up in the scoreboard. |
| 17:28.15 | randomparticle | i think you can rejig the colors in your config |
| 17:28.28 | randomparticle | make blue tanks red or somethign |
| 17:28.46 | QuantumBeep | Just make blue tanks and bullets a little bit brighter, like the old BZFlag XL. |
| 17:29.05 | QuantumBeep | Cyan. |
| 17:29.14 | QuantumBeep | Nobody would wonder which is the blue team, and it's easy to see |
| 17:29.51 | ruskie | XL? |
| 17:30.09 | blast007 | ruskie: a client I used to release |
| 17:30.21 | blast007 | had some minor graphical enhancements |
| 17:30.48 | blast007 | it was also where the tabbed message panel was born |
| 17:30.57 | Erroneous | indeed |
| 17:31.00 | Erroneous | ~blast007++ |
| 17:33.37 | Erroneous | if someone wants to do some testing of various blues and find one that is readable both on the scoreboard and the radar, I have no objections to changing it |
| 17:33.59 | QuantumBeep | Well, what were the values from XL? They seemed perfect to me |
| 17:34.04 | Erroneous | it's been a pretty common complaint, especially from new players who tend to notice that sort of thing |
| 17:34.16 | blast007 | QuantumBeep: unfortunately, I'm not sure I have that anymore |
| 17:34.23 | QuantumBeep | I bat you anything I can find it |
| 17:34.37 | blast007 | iirc, it was part of a modified installer... it patched the config file |
| 17:34.40 | ruskie | I just boost gamma a bit |
| 17:34.59 | blast007 | might have varied from version to version though of how it was set |
| 17:35.25 | Erroneous | heh. considering that the config is autogenerated, it doesn't make much sense for the installer to do it :P |
| 17:35.40 | randomparticle | doesn't it depend on your eyes somewhat? |
| 17:35.49 | randomparticle | i've never found blue difficult to see on bzflag |
| 17:36.03 | randomparticle | or at least, not more difficult than the other colours |
| 17:36.13 | QuantumBeep | That's not much of a negation. |
| 17:36.24 | QuantumBeep | Other have the problem. |
| 17:36.28 | QuantumBeep | *others |
| 17:36.43 | Hannibal | I can see it fine |
| 17:36.48 | randomparticle | yeah, but if you change the colours to what suits you, then another set may find it a problem |
| 17:37.03 | QuantumBeep | "This blue doesn't look black enough"? |
| 17:37.13 | QuantumBeep | How could having it brighter create a problem? |
| 17:37.21 | blast007 | Erroneous: well, I never said it was a GOOD way of doing it ;) |
| 17:37.52 | Erroneous | heh |
| 17:37.55 | blast007 | but that way it also worked for the official 1.10 versions as well |
| 17:38.06 | blast007 | it added a line to the end of the config |
| 17:39.38 | ruskie | just add a config option to change it :) |
| 17:40.04 | blast007 | a menu with RGB settings ;) |
| 17:41.36 | quantumdot | http://downloads.sourceforge.net/bzflag/bzflag-1.10.6-1.W32_high_res.exe?use_mirror=dfn |
| 17:41.52 | quantumdot | is that the one you are talking about? |
| 17:41.57 | quantumdot | by a chace? |
| 17:42.01 | quantumdot | cnhace* |
| 17:42.02 | Erroneous | no, high-res is now default |
| 17:42.03 | quantumdot | pff |
| 17:42.11 | Erroneous | XL was a modified version |
| 17:42.15 | quantumdot | aha |
| 17:42.39 | quantumdot | chance* brr |
| 17:43.18 | quantumdot | i think i've never seen it |
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| 17:44.11 | Erroneous | one of a handful of forks over the years |
| 17:44.12 | jude- | hello all |
| 17:45.23 | QuantumBeep | Is there a 2.1 list server? |
| 17:45.37 | JeffM | same list |
| 17:45.42 | QuantumBeep | OK |
| 17:45.50 | JeffM | our list server handles all the versions except 1.7 |
| 17:46.01 | JeffM | the client just filters out incompatable versions |
| 17:46.25 | brad | client does that? so it still downloads the whole list? |
| 17:46.34 | JeffM | yeah |
| 17:46.42 | JeffM | IIRC |
| 17:47.08 | JeffM | there may be a filter param you can send to the list server for version |
| 17:47.13 | JeffM | not sure if it's used |
| 17:47.18 | JeffM | it's not like the list is THAT big |
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| 17:48.09 | jftsang | hi guys |
| 17:48.14 | jftsang | whats up |
| 17:49.18 | blast007 | the site for XL is somewhat stored at archive.org |
| 17:49.54 | blast007 | quite a few of the images didn't get saved, so you have to highlight the text to read it :/ |
| 17:49.57 | Erroneous | yes, you can filter by version, and the client does by default |
| 17:50.43 | QuantumBeep | Aw, Windows build of 2.1.11 doesn't have bzfs ;/ |
| 17:50.45 | blast007 | the client/server doesn't use GETTOKEN or CHECKTOKEN ;) |
| 17:52.28 | JeffM | it dosn't? |
| 17:52.35 | JeffM | it should |
| 17:52.36 | JeffM | all the installers should |
| 17:52.42 | JeffM | they will error on build if they dont |
| 17:53.10 | QuantumBeep | Odd. I know for a fact I didn't do anything so silly as deleting it |
| 17:53.34 | blast007 | did you uncheck it? |
| 17:54.33 | QuantumBeep | Unlikely |
| 17:59.24 | QuantumBeep | Is the "patches" page on SourceForge all things that are going to be part of 2.2? |
| 17:59.49 | blast007 | no |
| 18:00.30 | QuantumBeep | That's one-off features that intrepid players can compile into their client, then? |
| 18:00.54 | blast007 | some of them are for the server as well |
| 18:01.19 | blast007 | patches are usually looked at on a periodic basis, and might be reviewed closer to a release |
| 18:01.25 | blast007 | depends on the nature of the patches |
| 18:03.47 | QuantumBeep | Some of them look pretty good, but some of them are silly. |
| 18:04.14 | QuantumBeep | I pity the developers who have to say, "no, the code you wrote isn't going to be used, it's stupid." |
| 18:06.09 | Erroneous | naw, rejecting is easy |
| 18:06.18 | Erroneous | it's the ones that are "almost there" that are tougher |
| 18:06.42 | QuantumBeep | You don't have time to go fix their code, really, unless it's really something special. |
| 18:06.48 | Erroneous | exactly |
| 18:06.58 | Erroneous | but if you bounce it back to them, they'll likely never fix it either |
| 18:08.02 | QuantumBeep | That's how geeks are. When the burst of inspiration is over, it's over. |
| 18:16.27 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r14380 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (16 files in 8 dirs): |
| 18:16.27 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: This is a proof-of-concept commit. The OpenGL sub-window is now an |
| 18:16.27 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: adapter to an OpenSceneGraph embedded window. The program will just load |
| 18:16.27 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: a simple mesh and texture and pass mouse events to OpenSceneGraph's |
| 18:16.27 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: trackball manipulator as proof-of-concept that OpenSceneGraph can be used |
| 18:16.30 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: in this project to handle the bulk of the rendering and simple user input. |
| 18:17.15 | donny_baker | ~jude-++ |
| 18:17.20 | jude- | for those of you reading that message, you'll need OpenSceneGraph 2.0 libs and headers to build it |
| 18:18.01 | tannerld | ~jude-++ |
| 18:18.22 | jude- | ~OpenSceneGraph++ |
| 18:19.45 | jude- | ttyl |
| 18:42.06 | WinnyDentist | haha, I have to fill out an online test for school and it requires IE "why use IE: it is the most secure browser" |
| 18:42.10 | WinnyDentist | haha |
| 18:43.29 | blast007 | lol... |
| 18:52.28 | DavidHKMrPowers | ease of use VS functionality , which is more important? |
| 18:53.11 | ruskie | erm |
| 18:53.13 | ruskie | functionality |
| 18:58.19 | DavidHKMrPowers | ruskie really.. |
| 18:59.06 | ruskie | for me it's functionality |
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| 19:03.29 | lalalala | hi |
| 19:04.31 | lalalala | visit |
| 19:04.37 | lalalala | bzflagcheat.blogspot.com |
| 19:04.44 | lalalala | bye |
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| 19:05.11 | ruskie | hi... go ban yourself... globaly... bye... |
| 19:07.09 | ts | We need a button for that at bzbb >:) |
| 19:09.00 | daxxar | Wow, that blog has some kinda silly stuff |
| 19:09.13 | daxxar | "Change keyboardRotation = -keyboardRotation; to keyboardRotation = keyboardRotation;" |
| 19:09.28 | daxxar | Yeah, because removing that line would make a lot less sense. :P |
| 19:09.42 | Erroneous | please don't visit, especially after they spam. makes them think they're getting the attention they want |
| 19:09.54 | daxxar | Sorry :-( |
| 19:09.58 | Erroneous | np |
| 19:10.08 | daxxar | I was just curious what kind of 'cheats' they were publishing. ;-) |
| 19:10.27 | Erroneous | yeah, curious is fine, probably good to be familiar with too |
| 19:10.29 | daxxar | Guess it's a great ways to find things to add to the serverside-handling TODO :-P |
| 19:10.34 | Erroneous | yup |
| 19:10.36 | daxxar | s/ways/way/ |
| 19:10.47 | ruskie | :) |
| 19:10.58 | ruskie | that's their excuse basicaly |
| 19:11.09 | ruskie | they provide the cheats so that stuff would be fixed in bzflag |
| 19:11.26 | Erroneous | they should know it doesn't work |
| 19:11.29 | daxxar | ^_^ |
| 19:11.33 | Erroneous | knightmare did the same thing years ago :) |
| 19:11.39 | Erroneous | a lot of the same issues even |
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| 19:13.48 | daxxar | Right, time to go code |
| 19:13.57 | daxxar | Coffee and music present, <3 |
| 19:15.45 | daxxar | Balkan Beat Box is funky ;-) |
| 19:15.52 | daxxar | ('tis an artist) |
| 19:16.30 | daxxar | brlcad: You present? |
| 19:16.46 | daxxar | Or anyone else, really. |
| 19:17.10 | daxxar | Code in trunk should only compile, not neccessarily actually run? (or run properly) |
| 19:17.30 | Erroneous | should always compile, should usually work correctly |
| 19:17.35 | daxxar | I'm not talking about src/bzflag/, of course, src/bzrobots/ |
| 19:17.47 | daxxar | s/ course,/& but/ |
| 19:18.22 | Erroneous | it's ok to check in code that doesn't necessarily work at the moment if it's a clear improvement from what was there before (or a new feature that needs finishing) |
| 19:18.43 | Erroneous | there's a balance to be had between "commit early, commit often" and "trunk should work" |
| 19:18.53 | daxxar | Okay |
| 19:19.19 | daxxar | 'cause I'm probably making a bit of changes to bzrobots - before it's usable again, and I'd rather get some reviewing early on :-) |
| 19:19.34 | Erroneous | then sure, check it in |
| 19:19.41 | daxxar | Not yet, though. :-) |
| 19:19.53 | Erroneous | only time it really matters is near a release (people get picky about stuff working ;) ) |
| 19:20.00 | daxxar | Of course. :-) |
| 19:20.28 | daxxar | But trunk is awaiting the next 'major release', isn't it, so that's not really happing before after gsoc? |
| 19:21.17 | Erroneous | mmm...it'll happen "sometime" |
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| 19:22.56 | daxxar | :-) |
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| 19:43.13 | jftsang | ~bzpastebin |
| 19:43.14 | ibot | [bzpastebin] a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel, and it archives too. - try http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ |
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| 20:45.31 | jftsang | anyone up for a game? |
| 20:46.34 | AWOSLappy | jftsang: I just asked the same thing in #bzcaht |
| 20:46.35 | AWOSLappy | *chat |
| 20:46.37 | AWOSLappy | sure |
| 20:46.39 | AWOSLappy | jftsang: alachua.homelinux.net port 5154 |
| 20:46.47 | jftsang | ok |
| 20:46.50 | jftsang | in a moment |
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| 21:16.08 | jftsang | any1 got any interesting conversation starters? |
| 21:17.08 | ruskie | here's one freedesktop standards... good or bad |
| 21:17.23 | QuantumBeep | We used to have those - they were called X11 |
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| 22:01.09 | RatOmeter_ | howdy, admins and keepers of the masterban list... a certain player has been flag running over the recent days on the most populated servers |
| 22:03.06 | RatOmeter_ | one "axl rose". I believe vila kicked or banned him at 2 castles yesterday, we tried unsuccessfully to poll ban him at Missile War several times today and yesterday |
| 22:05.31 | ruskie | hmm he's been banned before as well |
| 22:06.34 | JeffM | he's a dynamic IP IIRC |
| 22:06.48 | JeffM | and has been removed from global auth, that's about all the project can do |
| 22:06.48 | ruskie | wouldn't idban work? |
| 22:07.02 | JeffM | we did that by removing his name, he can't global ID |
| 22:07.20 | JeffM | but he can get around that by simply not IDing |
| 22:07.26 | JeffM | and few servers if any require ID. |
| 22:07.40 | ruskie | hmm |
| 22:07.50 | ruskie | wouldn't idban affect non-global as well? |
| 22:07.56 | blast007 | no |
| 22:07.57 | ruskie | i.e. do a on-connect callsign comparison? |
| 22:08.04 | blast007 | it only works if they identify |
| 22:08.43 | ruskie | that somehow sounds broken |
| 22:08.58 | ruskie | you can ban a person on irc even if he's not identified/registered... |
| 22:09.35 | JeffM | IRC is not the same as bzflag |
| 22:09.41 | JeffM | we don't have callsign bans |
| 22:09.43 | JeffM | just ID |
| 22:09.53 | JeffM | and the ID is only set whent they globaly ID |
| 22:10.05 | JeffM | sure you could code up a callsign ban |
| 22:10.14 | JeffM | but that's not part of the maserban system |
| 22:10.19 | JeffM | masterban ONLY bans IPs |
| 22:10.29 | JeffM | ID bans are handled by the database, not masterban |
| 22:10.51 | JeffM | but really, local admins should be able to handle a single punk |
| 22:11.23 | ruskie | with dynamic ip and with a hostname that's similar to a ton of others.... hard... |
| 22:11.34 | ruskie | though when I spot a cheater I just start to have fun with him... |
| 22:11.34 | JeffM | that's why we don't masterban dynamics |
| 22:11.45 | ruskie | /mute and /kill work wonders :) |
| 22:11.50 | JeffM | locals can get away with masterbaning dyamic ranges |
| 22:12.00 | JeffM | the only way to get him for sure, is to go reg only on the server |
| 22:12.10 | JeffM | but many do not wish to do that for a number of reasons. |
| 22:13.20 | ruskie | will 2.1 have global only? |
| 22:13.31 | JeffM | 2.0.x has global only as an option |
| 22:13.36 | JeffM | 2.1 has the same option |
| 22:13.39 | ruskie | ahh |
| 22:13.51 | JeffM | 2.1 dosnt' have local reg |
| 22:13.52 | ruskie | so again no transfer to global-only fully... |
| 22:13.57 | blast007 | I hope to have in-game registration possible though, for 2.1/2.2 |
| 22:14.06 | JeffM | the game would never force registraton |
| 22:14.26 | JeffM | as blast007 points out, features will be added to make reg easier, so more servers are willing to go reg only |
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| 22:26.23 | blast007 | hello Lagdog |
| 22:27.09 | Lagdog | Heya blast |
| 22:27.22 | Lagdog | trying to register |
| 22:27.28 | Lagdog | keeps telling me to wait 120 seconds |
| 22:27.42 | blast007 | ah, yeah, I recall that from a while ago as well |
| 22:28.01 | blast007 | they probably do that to prevent spam registrations |
| 22:28.05 | Lagdog | Whats is the cure? |
| 22:28.18 | blast007 | just wait until that period of time is over, then try again |
| 22:28.20 | CBG | wait 120 seconds. |
| 22:28.22 | Lagdog | ok |
| 22:28.26 | Lagdog | Hiya cbg |
| 22:28.30 | CBG | hi |
| 22:28.30 | Lagdog | been a while |
| 22:28.46 | CBG | don't recognise "Lagdog".. |
| 22:29.16 | Lagdog | Lil Dog |
| 22:29.20 | blast007 | ah |
| 22:29.22 | CBG | ahha ;) |
| 22:29.38 | CBG | I've seen you more recently than you've seen me. :P |
| 22:30.22 | Lagdog | fake names? |
| 22:30.29 | CBG | sshhh :) |
| 22:30.36 | Lagdog | :P |
| 22:31.20 | CBG | well, played for 2 sessions this week, for the first time in months |
| 22:31.38 | Lagdog | ah |
| 22:31.42 | Lagdog | interesting |
| 22:32.05 | CBG | I still got some skillz. heh |
| 22:32.13 | Lagdog | well, i have registered |
| 22:32.15 | CBG | Did you play at babel on shadowcat in the last few days? |
| 22:32.25 | Lagdog | not really |
| 22:32.27 | Lagdog | no |
| 22:32.30 | SpazzyMcGee | Shadowcat..... heh. |
| 22:32.40 | CBG | hmm, then I dunno where I saw you |
| 22:32.44 | CBG | ~lart SpazzyMcGee |
| 22:32.44 | ibot | says "boot to the head" and knocks SpazzyMcGee over |
| 22:32.59 | Lagdog | ~lart |
| 22:33.07 | Lagdog | ~lart Lagdog |
| 22:33.07 | ibot | beats the living hamstercrap out of Lagdog |
| 22:33.21 | Lagdog | ah i see |
| 22:33.24 | Lagdog | cool. |
| 22:33.25 | SpazzyMcGee | heh |
| 22:33.36 | CBG | ~lart victim ;) |
| 22:33.36 | ibot | declares victim ;) a moron |
| 22:33.48 | CBG | ~lart victim for doing something mean |
| 22:33.48 | ibot | beats victim into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy for doing something mean |
| 22:33.56 | Lagdog | ~fish CBG |
| 22:33.56 | ibot | ACTION slaps CBG around with a large trout |
| 22:34.03 | Lagdog | ok im done now. |
| 22:34.05 | Lagdog | :) |
| 22:34.15 | CBG | :P |
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| 23:13.54 | CIA-3 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/3d/src/fonts.cpp: |
| 23:13.54 | CIA-3 | opencombat: remove borkage and fuglyness. |
| 23:13.54 | CIA-3 | opencombat: use log not cerr |
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| 23:15.42 | JeffM | brlcad, ping? |
| 23:16.10 | CIA-3 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/3d/src/fonts.cpp: remove more fug |
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| 23:18.21 | CIA-3 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/3d/src/fonts.cpp: don't make an extry copy when returning sizes and lenghts and other cleanups |
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| 23:38.01 | CIA-3 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/server/ (inc/serverGame.h src/serverGame.cpp): start spliting up the big case statements used for specific message handling |
| 23:44.57 | CIA-3 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/server/ (4 files in 3 dirs): split the messages into there own file for readability |