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| 00:03.34 | Macrosoft | so... is PETER still on the masterban list? |
| 00:03.38 | JeffM | no |
| 00:04.12 | Macrosoft | how'd he get off? |
| 00:04.29 | JeffM | he contacted an admin and worked out the problem in a civil manner |
| 00:04.34 | Winny | puppy dog eyes ;) |
| 00:04.34 | davemicc | I think that molez guy is on the normandy server |
| 00:04.53 | davemicc | the blogspot cheat site person |
| 00:04.59 | JeffM | we know who he is |
| 00:05.04 | JeffM | tell the server owner |
| 00:05.17 | davemicc | he left now anyways |
| 00:05.19 | Winny | I don't see him |
| 00:05.20 | Winny | oh |
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| 00:14.00 | JeffM | mmmmm real tank :) http://www.bravetree.com/GarageGames/tankpackqt.mov |
| 00:14.27 | Winny | mmm, cheese |
| 00:15.04 | blast007 | cheese? |
| 00:15.09 | blast007 | ~blast007 |
| 00:15.10 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, blast007 is very insane, or a cheese-stealer |
| 00:15.17 | Winny | eek! |
| 00:15.36 | a_meteorite | I like cheese |
| 00:16.38 | JeffM | tank not cheese |
| 00:16.52 | Winny | tank made from cheese! :D |
| 00:17.02 | Macrosoft | i saw no cheese in that vid |
| 00:17.55 | Macrosoft|no_che | ~cheese |
| 00:17.56 | ibot | i guess cheese is stuff that grows in milk |
| 00:18.31 | Winny | >cheese |
| 00:18.38 | Winny | aww, no Argooon |
| 00:19.08 | Macrosoft|no_che | <consume>mmm.. cheesy</consume> |
| 00:21.27 | a_meteorite | Macrosoft: we don't need to know everything.. |
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| 01:18.09 | TD-Linux | I once ran a server on my connection with ~20 people for 5 min, I was at the bottom of the list... as usual :) |
| 01:18.23 | donny_baker | ~Winny++ |
| 01:18.32 | Winny | what did I do? |
| 01:18.37 | Winny | my sig? :p |
| 01:18.44 | donny_baker | yep.. you know it |
| 01:18.46 | Macrosoft | why? shouldnt that bring it up to first page |
| 01:19.07 | Macrosoft | most servers up there are in that range |
| 01:22.01 | TD-Linux | I meant the score list :P |
| 01:22.07 | Macrosoft | oh |
| 01:22.25 | TD-Linux | HAH |
| 01:22.27 | TD-Linux | ~Winny++ |
| 01:22.35 | Winny | Not my idea |
| 01:22.43 | Macrosoft | huh, whats going on? |
| 01:22.55 | Macrosoft | did i miss something |
| 01:23.09 | TD-Linux | Macrosoft: hint: BZBB |
| 01:23.25 | Macrosoft | what post? |
| 01:24.34 | TD-Linux | doesn't matter |
| 01:24.42 | TD-Linux | you'll find it |
| 01:24.50 | Macrosoft | winny:nice sig |
| 01:24.52 | a_temp_dist | Winny: I'm fixing your sig now - check your PM |
| 01:26.48 | TD-Linux | a fix... hmmm........ |
| 01:28.39 | TD-Linux | aah, I see the fix |
| 01:28.57 | TD-Linux | still 21px too high ;) |
| 01:29.06 | a_temp_dist | yes well it's better |
| 01:29.11 | TD-Linux | but no lines of text, so that makes it OK :) |
| 01:30.57 | Winny | awesome :p |
| 01:31.28 | DTRemenak | ~338x121 |
| 01:31.40 | DTRemenak | ~338*121 |
| 01:31.41 | ibot | 40898 |
| 01:31.48 | DTRemenak | less area anyway :) |
| 01:32.12 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 01:32.28 | TD-Linux | hmm april fools idea.... |
| 01:32.35 | TD-Linux | nvm ;) |
| 01:33.10 | TD-Linux | I wonder if there is a de-AOL1337 phpBB mod |
| 01:34.39 | Winny | hehe |
| 01:34.41 | blast007 | TD-Linux: or better yet, just run everyone's messages through an English-to-Elmer-Fudd translator |
| 01:35.14 | Macrosoft | or make it read like one of my old teacher's speech |
| 01:35.29 | Macrosoft | all his vowels sounded like "er" |
| 01:35.44 | Macrosoft | it was impossible to understand anything he said |
| 01:36.06 | Winny | I say we sign someone's email up for spam if they every say "LOL, ROFL, or NE1, or MEEN" on the forum |
| 01:36.23 | a_temp_dist | don't forget OMG |
| 01:36.27 | Macrosoft | you just did... 4 times |
| 01:36.36 | Winny | and ZOMG |
| 01:36.49 | Macrosoft | whats the 'z' mean? |
| 01:36.53 | blast007 | ZOMG CHEESE |
| 01:37.03 | Winny | ~blast007 |
| 01:37.04 | ibot | well, blast007 is very wacky, or a cheese-stealer |
| 01:37.19 | Macrosoft | ~kill blast007 |
| 01:37.19 | ibot | ACTION shoots $who with a laser |
| 01:37.29 | a_temp_dist | fail |
| 01:37.42 | Macrosoft | it killed $who |
| 01:37.50 | blast007 | $who's on first? |
| 01:38.04 | Macrosoft | doctor who |
| 01:38.12 | Macrosoft | cool show |
| 01:50.16 | brlcad | damn, so close yet so far |
| 01:51.10 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 01:51.38 | brlcad | just draws the background color, no font love |
| 01:51.53 | brlcad | squares |
| 01:52.02 | DTRemenak | gl_blend on? |
| 01:52.45 | DTRemenak | and texturing |
| 01:57.55 | a_temp_dist | http://www.blackstate.gr/Brain_game.htm |
| 01:59.28 | brlcad | yeah, it is |
| 02:01.48 | a_temp_dist | (sorry, wrong screen) |
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| 02:21.39 | Macrosoft | a_temp_dist: woo hoo, i got 11.018 seconds on my first try |
| 02:23.07 | Macrosoft | that game's fun |
| 02:23.32 | a_temp_dist | Macrosoft join #bzchat |
| 02:33.14 | WinnyAFK | is PETER allowed to post on the forums? |
| 02:37.57 | a_temp_dist | WinnyAFK: as far as I know he's been given one last chance and has been unbanned from everything |
| 02:38.07 | WinnyAFK | hmm...k. |
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| 02:39.45 | WinnyAFK | brb, going to bash tomer on the forum :p |
| 02:40.17 | WinnyAFK | "how do u make map: do u have to own a server how do u make 1" |
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| 02:40.25 | WinnyAFK | *sigh* |
| 02:53.12 | Macrosoft | ~ping |
| 02:53.14 | ibot | pong |
| 02:54.18 | WinnyAFK | pong |
| 02:54.56 | Macrosoft | ~die |
| 02:54.57 | ibot | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 02:55.03 | Macrosoft | :) |
| 02:56.41 | Macrosoft | ~live |
| 02:56.41 | ibot | ACTION rises from the dead and starts eating people. |
| 02:57.34 | WinnyAFK | you can PM the bot |
| 02:57.45 | WinnyAFK | no need to spam up the channel |
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| 04:26.52 | nn-server | hii |
| 04:26.56 | nn-server | hi |
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| 04:39.40 | blast007 | hi nn-server |
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| 04:45.56 | jude- | hello all |
| 04:47.17 | nn-server | tidus around here |
| 04:48.10 | nn-server | blast007, hows it going |
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| 07:24.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r14336 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (7 files in 5 dirs): |
| 07:24.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Added the top-level file parser, which can turn a .bzw file into a vector of strings, where each string contains the BZW representation of one of |
| 07:24.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: the supported BZW objects. All objects can be parsed. Currently, the default build will parse out LouMan's H2O-R1.bzw map file as |
| 07:24.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: proof of concept. |
| 07:30.00 | brlcad | woo hoo.. finally |
| 07:31.10 | jude- | brlcad: "define" isn't directly supported yet... |
| 07:31.36 | brlcad | ookay |
| 07:31.56 | jude- | ...and the output is just the top-level parser "chunking" the file--no data is (yet) being loaded into objects |
| 07:32.07 | jude- | that'll come later tonight :) |
| 07:33.27 | brlcad | hey, it's progress ;) |
| 07:33.48 | jude- | we're getting there |
| 07:34.09 | jude- | hopefully we'll begin to see some 3D stuff next week |
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| 10:15.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r14337 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (30 files in 5 dirs): |
| 10:15.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: I'm too tired to write up some test cases for this, so I have no clue if it works. Basically, I've added the mechanisms necessary for the Model |
| 10:15.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: class to take the output of BZWParser::loadFile() and create the binary data. Each object now has two static methods that call their respective |
| 10:15.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: constructors. This is to allow the Model class to map a string to each object's init method, so when it parses the map it knows which init to |
| 10:15.15 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: call. |
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| 11:15.46 | namelesss | hi |
| 11:16.04 | namelesss | who control if a player die or not ? |
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| 11:33.23 | CBG | you mean, client or server? the client. |
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| 14:38.08 | tannerld | does bzwb parse maps now? |
| 14:43.56 | brlcad | as of last night, no data was being loaded, but the file was being parsed |
| 14:44.50 | tannerld | heh |
| 14:45.22 | brlcad | seriously, I've been looking for what causes that for over an hour now |
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| 16:00.03 | QuantumBeep | Question: does bzfquery.pl appear in the player list when it connects to perform a query? |
| 16:14.07 | Thumper_ | QuantumBeep: no I don't think so |
| 16:14.16 | blast007 | it doesn't |
| 16:14.23 | blast007 | it never sends a MsgEnter |
| 16:16.02 | blast007 | brlcad: I have a basic list server started that supports LIST, ADD, and REMOVE. Should I start throwing it into SVN? |
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| 16:21.48 | WinnyCuttingLawn | cool |
| 16:21.50 | WinnyCuttingLawn | it worked |
| 16:21.55 | WinnyCuttingLawn | IRC from nintendo wii :D |
| 16:29.44 | brlcad | blast007: sure, why not |
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| 16:30.38 | QuantumBeep | Is the CrystalSPace client under active development? |
| 16:33.15 | blast007 | suppose I'll just commit it as bzfls2.php, and then when it's done, get rid of the old one and rename it |
| 16:33.21 | blast007 | or should I do a branch? |
| 16:33.34 | brlcad | JeffM: got your font system from gpx01 working |
| 16:33.34 | *** mode/#bzflag [-o blast007] by blast007 |
| 16:33.59 | brlcad | blast007: hm, I suppose it depends on what bzfls2.php looks like |
| 16:34.07 | JeffM | cool |
| 16:34.13 | JeffM | did it do what you needed? |
| 16:34.16 | brlcad | yeah, nifty sweet |
| 16:34.27 | QuantumBeep | Stupid question that Google doesn't answer: where do I get bzfquery.pl? |
| 16:34.32 | brlcad | noticed how it's almost a drop-in replacement for bz's |
| 16:34.35 | JeffM | QuantumBeep, misc |
| 16:34.39 | JeffM | IIRC |
| 16:34.39 | blast007 | QuantumBeep: in the bzflag source, under the misc/ directory |
| 16:34.40 | brlcad | or you started from a simplified bz's or something |
| 16:34.44 | QuantumBeep | cool, thanks |
| 16:35.01 | JeffM | brlcad, well the one in BZ was based off my old one from other project |
| 16:35.02 | brlcad | got bz's working too finally, except for rebuilding |
| 16:35.19 | JeffM | this one is my refactor of my old one |
| 16:35.27 | JeffM | so since they game from the same place.... |
| 16:35.34 | brlcad | oh, and I added a few things to yours -- plugged a memory leak and added rebuilding |
| 16:35.35 | JeffM | the TTF one looks better It hink |
| 16:35.39 | brlcad | dunno if it'd be of any use |
| 16:35.45 | JeffM | the leak would |
| 16:35.54 | JeffM | you have commit access to GPX |
| 16:36.04 | JeffM | so yeah put it back :) |
| 16:36.32 | JeffM | did it suport unicode? |
| 16:36.40 | brlcad | heh, i started hooking it all up yesterday and got it all integrated pretty quickly |
| 16:36.47 | brlcad | only to have it dump a bunch of squares at me |
| 16:36.58 | JeffM | odd |
| 16:37.01 | brlcad | and then I realized that fonts never worked for me in gpx either :) |
| 16:37.08 | brlcad | i'd completely forgot |
| 16:37.16 | JeffM | texture mode for GL? |
| 16:37.41 | brlcad | that was part of it, though rebuilding was the biggie |
| 16:37.47 | brlcad | on a context resize |
| 16:37.50 | JeffM | ahh |
| 16:38.08 | JeffM | well commit the changes back, may as well |
| 16:38.17 | JeffM | you going to use the TTF one in mainline bz? |
| 16:38.21 | brlcad | plus i was originally rendering to non ortho, which was just causing all sorts of issues |
| 16:39.00 | brlcad | was thinking about it -- looks so much better with ttf fonts |
| 16:39.05 | JeffM | yeah |
| 16:39.11 | brlcad | and little details you added like alignment are nice |
| 16:39.13 | JeffM | and easier to replace them |
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| 19:02.55 | donny_baker | have you tried safari |
| 19:02.59 | JeffM | yes |
| 19:03.03 | JeffM | no thank you |
| 19:03.09 | donny_baker | my feelings too |
| 19:03.29 | JeffM | only resize on the lower left + bookmarks in a page.. why bother |
| 19:03.33 | JeffM | firefox works well |
| 19:03.37 | JeffM | and consitently on all OSs |
| 19:04.22 | JeffM | usability is better then minor increases in page loads |
| 19:09.02 | JeffM | it's simpler to just set the bit on JeffM then log in the fishbone one when I do the rare admin thing now |
| 19:11.07 | CBG | JUst out of interest, what do you mean by "only resize on the lower left" and "bookmarks in a page"? |
| 19:11.44 | menotume | any1 know of an issue with tanks being VERY VERY fast on C2D windows ? |
| 19:11.58 | menotume | got one whowing me now, he says he's normal if he disables 1 core |
| 19:12.18 | menotume | JeffM ? |
| 19:12.40 | JeffM | D2D? |
| 19:12.42 | JeffM | C2D? |
| 19:12.47 | menotume | core 2 duo |
| 19:12.56 | menotume | wanna see? it's funny |
| 19:13.00 | JeffM | ohh yeah, windows can geek on dual core |
| 19:13.05 | JeffM | I have to set affinity's for many games |
| 19:13.12 | menotume | affinity ? |
| 19:13.16 | JeffM | task manager |
| 19:13.18 | JeffM | right click the process |
| 19:13.22 | JeffM | hit "Set affinity" |
| 19:13.23 | menotume | ah |
| 19:13.39 | JeffM | there are also laucher apps that can do it |
| 19:13.45 | menotume | it's outrageous, like 20x normal speed |
| 19:13.47 | JeffM | has to do with the clock and how threads are setup |
| 19:13.48 | JeffM | yeah |
| 19:13.56 | menotume | okies |
| 19:13.59 | menotume | thx |
| 19:14.00 | JeffM | OS swaps it back and forth from one core to another |
| 19:14.09 | JeffM | screws up the QPC |
| 19:16.43 | JeffM | there are some apps that help set it up too |
| 19:16.47 | JeffM | like forceCore |
| 19:16.47 | JeffM | http://www.kalme.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=44&Itemid=35 |
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| 19:17.39 | menotume | ya, and runfirst |
| 19:17.44 | menotume | ok, thx dood |
| 19:28.39 | a_temp_dist | CRW is on servers now - on alachua.homelinux.net:5154 currently |
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| 19:38.28 | QuantumBeep | Are those not allowed? |
| 19:38.33 | QuantumBeep | News to me |
| 19:39.03 | L4m3r | one or maybe two is OK |
| 19:39.16 | L4m3r | using five to promote your server is a no-no, though |
| 19:41.53 | purple_cow | is it really? |
| 19:43.07 | L4m3r | I think so... |
| 19:43.26 | L4m3r | as brlcad put it, "unless for AI development or some other academic purpose" |
| 19:43.58 | L4m3r | and frankly, I'm rather peeved that when asked to remove them he said "It's my server, I do what I want so deal with it" |
| 19:44.07 | L4m3r | or something to that effect |
| 19:44.53 | tannerld | could always have the list server count bots as not a player or as 0.25 of a player :P |
| 19:45.15 | L4m3r | I don't think that's technically feasible with the current proto |
| 19:45.25 | L4m3r | otherwise it probably would have been done already :P |
| 19:51.01 | CBG | It is his server - he _can_ do what he wants on it. |
| 19:51.04 | a_meteorite | tannerld: then I can load up 50 bots :P |
| 19:51.17 | CBG | He does not, however, have the right to list it on the official server list. |
| 19:51.35 | CBG | That's a privilege that I think should be removed. |
| 19:51.46 | a_meteorite | CBG: true |
| 19:51.56 | a_meteorite | I say "dump the bots or you're list server banned" |
| 19:52.45 | a_meteorite | L4m3r: why would it be a proto change? I thought the list server knew the difference between a bot and player... guess not |
| 19:52.47 | tannerld | or just have the list server limit the number of bots on a server |
| 19:53.06 | L4m3r | a_meteorite: I'm not sure, I don't think it'd know |
| 19:53.08 | a_meteorite | tannerld: it can't limit players, in 2.0 at least |
| 19:53.17 | L4m3r | sure it can |
| 19:53.25 | tannerld | the list server? |
| 19:53.29 | L4m3r | go over, and BOOM you vanish from the list :) |
| 19:53.35 | tannerld | lol |
| 19:53.39 | a_meteorite | heh, not the same thing ;) |
| 19:53.59 | tannerld | i was sorta thinking that if you go over the specified limit, the list removes you from it automatically :P |
| 19:54.11 | L4m3r | yeah, it could probably do that |
| 19:54.21 | L4m3r | but I'm not sure it can tell who's a bot |
| 19:54.29 | a_meteorite | I had this funky idea. load up 200 (the max a server can hold) bots so no one can join. |
| 19:54.39 | CBG | That's not a new idea. ;) |
| 19:54.44 | CBG | Good times... |
| 19:54.47 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 19:54.52 | CBG | You know the best bit, a_meteorite? |
| 19:55.07 | a_meteorite | L4m3r: you can check for callsigns that go up? sure sign of bots |
| 19:55.14 | a_meteorite | like bot01, bot02, bot03 |
| 19:55.22 | L4m3r | sure |
| 19:55.23 | a_meteorite | *go up in number |
| 19:55.32 | L4m3r | that's how botKicker works |
| 19:55.41 | L4m3r | but that |
| 19:55.45 | L4m3r | 's not definite |
| 19:55.51 | a_meteorite | of course not |
| 19:55.54 | L4m3r | and someone clever (like Teppic) can rename them too |
| 19:56.38 | CBG | That was one time I was majorly annoyed at you, met, so I ran the server with BZFX in the -public. I had 198 bots + myself and banned everyone that joined in that last empty slot. |
| 19:56.41 | CBG | Sorry... :| |
| 19:56.59 | L4m3r | haha awesome |
| 19:57.08 | a_meteorite | yeah. that wasn't cool. |
| 19:57.25 | a_meteorite | and, iirc, you regged some free dns or something that had bzfx in it.. |
| 19:57.37 | a_meteorite | but I think you did it on april fool's too :) |
| 19:57.39 | CBG | Did I? Maybe.. I don't remember. |
| 19:57.57 | CBG | Yeah, it was. But I was really mad at you at that time too, for some reason or another... |
| 19:58.14 | CBG | And iirc, you played some pranks on MoFo for april fools too, so :P |
| 19:58.28 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 19:58.46 | tannerld | heh |
| 19:58.48 | a_meteorite | I did the post in servers, general discussion, but my other ones were foiled by blast007 :P |
| 19:58.50 | a_meteorite | good times |
| 19:58.55 | CBG | but yeah, people would join in that last slot and be like "WTF? THIS SUCKS" |
| 19:59.04 | a_meteorite | brb |
| 19:59.12 | CBG | So I'd ban for life with "NO, you do. HAHAH! BZFX RULEZ" and so-on. |
| 19:59.13 | L4m3r | a lot of the account deletion was done by me, met |
| 20:02.58 | a_meteorite | L4m3r: even the ones I regged like two weeks before april fool's? |
| 20:03.12 | a_meteorite | I thought it was blast.. cause I told him my plans :) |
| 20:03.15 | L4m3r | dunno |
| 20:03.20 | L4m3r | just the ones I noticed |
| 20:03.25 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 20:05.39 | QuantumBeep | You know, there's a big flaw in using name-guessing for automatic botkickers. |
| 20:06.21 | a_meteorite | what? someone might set a server up? |
| 20:06.29 | QuantumBeep | I can grab a few systems, join as L4m3r01, L4m3r02, and L3m4r03, setting off the botkicker. |
| 20:07.17 | CBG | The easiest would just be some way for the list to differentiate between real players and bots. |
| 20:07.27 | QuantumBeep | yeah |
| 20:07.41 | CBG | But... proto-break as L4m3r said. |
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| 20:08.14 | a_meteorite | you're also assuming the server is telling you the truth |
| 20:08.15 | L4m3r | QuantumBeep: that's why it makes sure the IP is the same ;) |
| 20:08.17 | a_meteorite | the server can lie :) |
| 20:08.37 | QuantumBeep | Catch is, bots have perfectly legitimate uses. List server spamming is bad. Adding bots so humans can play with them is just fine. |
| 20:08.44 | L4m3r | sure |
| 20:08.55 | QuantumBeep | That's the catch with Pythonian. |
| 20:08.55 | L4m3r | but generally that's not necessary for public servers |
| 20:09.10 | L4m3r | Pythonian himself has said he does it to promote the server |
| 20:09.17 | a_meteorite | yup |
| 20:09.29 | QuantumBeep | Obviously, he's spamming the list, but he say just say some magic words, and as qualified admins, we pretty much have to give credence to it. |
| 20:09.50 | QuantumBeep | If he admits it, then you're home free. Ban the freak. |
| 20:10.11 | L4m3r | and even then, having something to shoot at only justifies one or two bots |
| 20:10.13 | QuantumBeep | He's not just messing up one game for players, he's actually messing up the entire gaming community. |
| 20:10.46 | QuantumBeep | I disagree - I've seen a fair dozen "special" games that used bots for turkey shooting. |
| 20:11.09 | QuantumBeep | one even had 40 of them, and it actually made sense for them to be there. |
| 20:11.19 | L4m3r | heh |
| 20:11.54 | blast007 | a_meteorite: I didn't delete any of the accounts |
| 20:11.58 | L4m3r | that's justifiable, though in such a situtation it'd be best to alter the server to lie to the list, i.e. not report bots |
| 20:12.09 | QuantumBeep | I use a couple of Roger bots to collect a few players if I want to play an empty map, but only for about ten minutes, tops. |
| 20:12.36 | blast007 | I more or less warned you about a possible issue, since there was a lot that seemed to be trying to impersonate your name (but then found out it was you that registered them) |
| 20:12.50 | QuantumBeep | Me? |
| 20:12.54 | blast007 | no, a_meteorite |
| 20:13.11 | L4m3r | hopefully the introduction of a global lobby will make the popularity contest more democratic |
| 20:13.26 | a_meteorite | blast007: ah, sorry for blaming you then :) |
| 20:13.31 | QuantumBeep | Yeah, I'd rather be able to just say "hey, any of you want to play x?" |
| 20:13.38 | L4m3r | if you don't see anything good, find a couple dudes in the lobby and join an empty server :) |
| 20:13.42 | QuantumBeep | Like a civilized online game |
| 20:14.01 | CBG | L4m3r: is that just an idea or a GSoC thing? |
| 20:14.14 | L4m3r | gsoc |
| 20:14.19 | CBG | oh, cool |
| 20:14.23 | QuantumBeep | Manu, you'd be my personal hero. |
| 20:14.43 | L4m3r | manu? |
| 20:14.45 | QuantumBeep | Then all those wonderful maps that aren't the popular map of the week can actually be played. |
| 20:14.50 | CBG | Anyone know whatever came of that global-bz-communication thing? DMP was making it, I think. |
| 20:15.00 | QuantumBeep | *Man |
| 20:15.03 | L4m3r | heh |
| 20:15.08 | CBG | It would allow communicate between servers, tracking of "buddies" and so on. |
| 20:15.12 | L4m3r | you probably woke the evil dev, QuantumBeep :P |
| 20:15.16 | CBG | L4m3r: it's YOUR GSoC thing? |
| 20:15.24 | L4m3r | yes |
| 20:15.33 | CBG | ok, wow... I should pay more damn attention |
| 20:15.40 | QuantumBeep | Yes, you should. Slacker. |
| 20:15.57 | CBG | Saying that (about DMP), I really never see him online anymore :/ |
| 20:16.02 | QuantumBeep | What license is BZFlag released under? |
| 20:16.16 | L4m3r | LGPL iirc |
| 20:16.24 | QuantumBeep | Yeah, that's right |
| 20:16.29 | QuantumBeep | Now I remember |
| 20:16.39 | CBG | On IRC that is. :| I should try to catch him on msn/aim/jabber/whatever I have him added under in Adium |
| 20:17.43 | QuantumBeep | I think the entire BZFlag community would become a lot more complex and interesting if we had a lobby. |
| 20:17.50 | CBG | ~seen [dmp] |
| 20:17.55 | ibot | [dmp] <n=dennis@about/essy/CodingWiz/dmp> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 19d 10h 37m 30s ago, saying: '!tell me about why aptitude'. |
| 20:17.59 | tannerld | QuantumBeep: heh; moderated? |
| 20:18.10 | QuantumBeep | I dunno. |
| 20:18.20 | L4m3r | of course |
| 20:18.21 | QuantumBeep | Maybe just simple $%^@ blocking. |
| 20:18.41 | L4m3r | people will be watching from IRC or jabber or whatever proto we decide to interface with |
| 20:18.43 | Manu | L4m3r: pong |
| 20:18.46 | CBG | Just use the multilingual bad words list and filter exactly like bzfs does. |
| 20:18.51 | L4m3r | accident, manu :) |
| 20:19.00 | Manu | ah, I see :) |
| 20:19.41 | Manu | QuantumBeep: why am I your hero? heh :) |
| 20:19.58 | QuantumBeep | Nope, sorry, not you. |
| 20:20.00 | QuantumBeep | L4m3r. |
| 20:20.01 | blast007 | he meant "Man," instead of "Manu," |
| 20:20.25 | Manu | hehe |
| 20:20.27 | QuantumBeep | Although if you're a developer, /me respects you |
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| 20:24.50 | jude- | hello al |
| 20:24.52 | jude- | *all |
| 20:24.57 | tannerld | hiya jude- |
| 20:25.00 | L4m3r | hi |
| 20:25.19 | jude- | bzflag devs: I give. I'll drop FLTK in favor of a different widget set |
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| 20:25.37 | jude- | which do you think is better? Qt or GTK? |
| 20:26.14 | jude- | better question: which is more OpenGL-friendly? |
| 20:26.38 | CBG | ~jude-++ |
| 20:27.32 | ruskie | gtk imho |
| 20:28.08 | ruskie | there's a gtkglarea and such |
| 20:28.11 | jude- | not much in the way of the UI has been completed; if I change the widget set, it has to be soon |
| 20:28.14 | L4m3r | I wonder if jude-can be given negative karma, because of the dash at the end of his name :) |
| 20:28.25 | jude- | ruskie: also gtkglext |
| 20:28.28 | ruskie | yup |
| 20:28.52 | menotume | QT used to be slow (dunno if it still is) is certain arezs |
| 20:28.53 | jude- | L4m3r: did I do something to deserve a karma decrement? |
| 20:29.00 | L4m3r | no |
| 20:29.03 | L4m3r | just curious :) |
| 20:29.07 | jude- | lol |
| 20:29.14 | ruskie | http://freshmeat.net/projects/libw11/ <-- hmm |
| 20:29.28 | menotume | in particular, handling of image files |
| 20:29.41 | menotume | I wrote a POS with it, where all buttons were images |
| 20:29.50 | menotume | it was PAINFULLY slow loading them all |
| 20:30.04 | jude- | I'd be using qt4 |
| 20:30.07 | menotume | we ended up ditching it, and going with GTK |
| 20:30.12 | jude- | kk |
| 20:30.22 | menotume | well, this was about 4 years ago, so I don't know about now |
| 20:31.12 | jude- | ruskie: need something more stable than that :) |
| 20:31.32 | Chestal | Ultimate++ :-) |
| 20:31.50 | Chestal | wxWidgets might be a feabile choice |
| 20:31.56 | Chestal | eh, feasible |
| 20:32.07 | blast007 | Qt uses the native UI, which is a plus |
| 20:32.14 | Chestal | jude-: why are you dropping FLTK, btw.? |
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| 20:33.00 | jude- | Chestal: I have no problem using it...everyone else, however, seems to have a problem with it :) |
| 20:33.01 | blast007 | http://trolltech.com/products/qt/indepth/modules#opengl |
| 20:33.41 | L4m3r | GTK looks like ass on every platform I've used it with |
| 20:33.51 | QuantumBeep | I agree. |
| 20:33.52 | ruskie | gtk compared to qt looks great |
| 20:33.53 | L4m3r | but realistically it's probably the best choice |
| 20:33.54 | QuantumBeep | It's ugly. |
| 20:33.55 | ruskie | qt looks like arse |
| 20:34.13 | L4m3r | I haven't used a qt app in windows |
| 20:34.19 | L4m3r | looks great in KDE though :P |
| 20:34.24 | ruskie | I avoid qt apps |
| 20:34.30 | ruskie | they generaly look crap |
| 20:34.34 | jude- | qt is GPL-ed, so if I used it, BZWB will also have to be GPL-ed. GTK, however, is LGPL-ed, so I can keep BZWB LGPL-ed in conformance to BZFlag's license |
| 20:34.35 | Chestal | gtk looks fine to me (on X11) without any themes. Nice, clear look |
| 20:34.36 | blast007 | you avoid a lot of things though |
| 20:34.59 | L4m3r | Chestal: it takes a lot of work to make a GTK app look windows-native, though |
| 20:35.06 | L4m3r | Firefox still can't get it quite right |
| 20:35.41 | QuantumBeep | I don't think a Windows-native look is necessary, or even particulalry desirable. |
| 20:35.50 | L4m3r | and from what I'm told... OS X isn't even worth trying |
| 20:36.08 | Chestal | the only GUI toolkit I used in recent years was wxWidgets, it was ok for my small applications. It uses GTK on X11 by default for the drawing and native Windows controls on Windows |
| 20:36.19 | QuantumBeep | That's nice. |
| 20:36.31 | Chestal | what's native on X11 though? :-) |
| 20:36.33 | QuantumBeep | coughGIMPcough |
| 20:36.36 | Chestal | to me, gtk is native here |
| 20:37.09 | L4m3r | also what drives me crazy about the current iteration of OS X |
| 20:37.14 | QuantumBeep | X11 doesn't really have a *native* look, does it? |
| 20:37.23 | L4m3r | there isn't even a consistent UI for Apple's own apps |
| 20:37.29 | QuantumBeep | Most apps either look like qt or GTK |
| 20:37.53 | L4m3r | or you can install the Qt theme engine for GTK, and they look nice and uniform :) |
| 20:38.13 | ruskie | I wish there was a gtk qt theme engine to make qt apps look sane |
| 20:38.39 | L4m3r | find a Qt theme that looks like Gnome :) |
| 20:38.50 | ruskie | I use gtk |
| 20:38.51 | jude- | shall I flip a coin? :) |
| 20:38.52 | ruskie | not gnome |
| 20:38.55 | QuantumBeep | Question: Are GPLvX and LGPLvX compatible? |
| 20:38.56 | L4m3r | there are a LOT of theme engine pairs that are designed to look as similar as possible |
| 20:39.16 | ruskie | not to mention that there's a lot of stuff I prefer from gtk |
| 20:39.17 | jude- | QuantumBeep: AFAIK, only GPL-ed programs can link to GPL-ed libraries |
| 20:39.23 | ruskie | like the file save/selection dialogs etc... |
| 20:39.31 | QuantumBeep | Can I use LGPL code in a GPL program? |
| 20:39.42 | L4m3r | GTK save dialogs fill me with the urge to defecate. |
| 20:39.51 | ruskie | I like them |
| 20:39.54 | jude- | QuantumBeep: dunno |
| 20:40.01 | Chestal | all file dialogs suck - everywhere |
| 20:40.03 | QuantumBeep | You have revealed my deepest fear. |
| 20:40.11 | Chestal | theoretically, file dialogs shouldn't even be needed |
| 20:40.18 | jude- | QuantumBeep: search the FSF's GPL faq |
| 20:40.27 | jude- | lol |
| 20:40.31 | blast007 | aa-project! |
| 20:40.38 | L4m3r | jude-: do BOTH |
| 20:40.43 | L4m3r | omg |
| 20:40.44 | jude- | yeah. how? |
| 20:40.45 | QuantumBeep | Manu, the BB demo was feaking awesome. |
| 20:40.49 | QuantumBeep | DAAMIT |
| 20:40.51 | L4m3r | make it a RICH WEB APP |
| 20:40.58 | CBG | lol QuantumBeep |
| 20:41.02 | QuantumBeep | Sorry bro. I need to move my U key. |
| 20:41.04 | L4m3r | zomg web2.0! |
| 20:41.23 | tannerld | QuantumBeep: lol |
| 20:41.28 | L4m3r | haha I can just imagine what a nightmare that would be |
| 20:41.38 | blast007 | QuantumBeep: do you have auto-complete turned on or something? :) |
| 20:41.41 | QuantumBeep | No |
| 20:41.44 | Chestal | jude-: if you go with gtk, do you plan to use gtk--? |
| 20:41.51 | jude- | people: how the widget set *looks* is the last thing on my mind...I need something OpenGL-friendly |
| 20:42.03 | jude- | Chestal: gtk--? |
| 20:42.09 | tannerld | ~jude-++ |
| 20:42.16 | Chestal | jude-: a C++ wrapper for gtk |
| 20:42.30 | blast007 | gtk++ then, you mean? |
| 20:42.36 | Chestal | gtk itself is very C-ish with its own object system coded with macros |
| 20:42.39 | jude- | Chestal: maybe...I haven't done much work on the UI yet to know if it will be necessary |
| 20:43.34 | Chestal | seems, gtk-- is called gtkmm these days |
| 20:44.03 | jude- | probably will use gtk-- if I use gtk at all |
| 20:45.40 | purple_cow | gtkmm is lovely |
| 20:45.48 | jude- | specifically, I'm looking for a widget set that is OGRE-friendly |
| 20:46.02 | jude- | besides cegui |
| 20:47.57 | jude- | FLTK *can* be used with OGRE...but the FLTK sources need to be patched |
| 20:48.25 | L4m3r | the black box is so dusty, it's gray >_> |
| 20:49.42 | blast007 | jude-: here's an example of a project that uses Qt with Ogre: https://sourceforge.net/projects/showmesh/ |
| 20:49.45 | blast007 | model viewer |
| 20:51.35 | jude- | that works :) |
| 21:00.15 | tannerld | and all becomes quiet :P |
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| 21:54.31 | TD-Linux | Hola. |
| 21:56.35 | eTangenT | TD-Linux: Do you like to move it, move it? |
| 21:56.53 | CBG | ZOMG! I do! |
| 21:57.03 | TD-Linux | umm... is that a song or something? |
| 21:57.15 | eTangenT | sure is. |
| 21:57.23 | eTangenT | I found the german version of it somehow. |
| 21:59.18 | eTangenT | CBG: You're not allowed to move it. Last time you did, we got in trouble, remember? |
| 21:59.22 | eTangenT | :( |
| 21:59.33 | CBG | But..! :( |
| 22:01.13 | eTangenT | ~lart TD-Linux |
| 22:01.13 | ibot | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats TD-Linux until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with |
| 22:03.19 | TD-Linux | oudh |
| 22:03.22 | TD-Linux | *ouch |
| 22:04.51 | eTangenT | yeah |
| 22:05.01 | eTangenT | That's why you need to like to move it, move it. |
| 22:09.48 | CBG | L4m3r: I'm not sure one is allowed to say "ashattery" on the bzbb ;) |
| 22:10.08 | L4m3r | eh... |
| 22:12.54 | CBG | JeffM: ping |
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