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| 00:21.01 | a_meteorite | ~bz20svn |
| 00:21.03 | ibot | i guess bz20svn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/ bzflag |
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| 00:29.44 | jude- | awilcox: why'd you have to reboot? |
| 00:30.00 | jude- | hello tannerld |
| 00:30.04 | awilcox | jude-: X screwed my tty |
| 00:30.09 | awilcox | a big mess |
| 00:30.16 | awilcox | for an hour and a half I couldn't see the console, and X was froze |
| 00:30.25 | awilcox | thank goodness for ssh, at least I could restart |
| 00:30.39 | jude- | why couldn't you just kill X and be done with it? |
| 00:30.45 | jude- | using ssh |
| 00:30.51 | awilcox | jude-: I did |
| 00:30.57 | awilcox | tty still screwed badly |
| 00:31.11 | jude- | isn't there a way to refresh the tty? |
| 00:31.23 | awilcox | jude-: I tried reset, fbi, and zgv |
| 00:31.28 | jude- | i.e. maybe run an SVGAlib program a full screen? |
| 00:31.34 | awilcox | jude-: exactly. |
| 00:31.35 | jude- | oh |
| 00:31.36 | awilcox | zgv. |
| 00:31.40 | jude- | nm |
| 00:31.43 | jude- | that's weird |
| 00:31.44 | awilcox | when I terminated it then it was black and didn't sync |
| 00:31.58 | jude- | what driver are you using with X? |
| 00:32.02 | awilcox | jude-: i810 |
| 00:32.13 | jude- | any special effects |
| 00:32.14 | jude- | ? |
| 00:32.15 | awilcox | the problem was it tried to "autodetect" my monitor |
| 00:32.22 | jude- | heh |
| 00:32.26 | awilcox | I was reconfiguring X and it tried to autodetect |
| 00:32.28 | jude- | been there before with i810 :P |
| 00:32.37 | awilcox | jude-: really!? |
| 00:32.44 | awilcox | I didn't realise it was an i810 server bug |
| 00:32.51 | jude- | helped a friend configure his laptop with i810 |
| 00:32.57 | thefirstdude | any idea why 2 tanks rejects my calsign 'Inferno'??? |
| 00:33.04 | awilcox | thefirstdude: already exists |
| 00:33.17 | jude- | and my desktop has an i810 onboard |
| 00:33.19 | thefirstdude | yeh, and it has been mine for about 2 years! |
| 00:33.28 | thefirstdude | it rejects it cause? |
| 00:33.36 | thefirstdude | it's a swear word in a language no one knows? |
| 00:33.56 | awilcox | thefirstdude: lol |
| 00:34.05 | awilcox | so you are inferno. hi. I think I've seen you before. |
| 00:34.12 | awilcox | I play under "AWOS". |
| 00:34.17 | jude- | ...only compositing managers seemed to invoke the bug; it didn't happen on its own |
| 00:34.37 | thefirstdude | yep |
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| 00:34.51 | awilcox | jude-: nup. Just plain ol X with fvwm |
| 00:35.02 | jude- | I guess milage varies |
| 00:35.04 | awilcox | yeah |
| 00:35.08 | awilcox | it won't load anything |
| 00:35.15 | awilcox | fvwm won't load, KDE freezes at "Loading the desktop" |
| 00:35.21 | awilcox | all my wms are borked now :/ |
| 00:35.26 | jude- | integrated video chipsets are the bane of X's existance |
| 00:35.31 | a_meteorite | thefirstdude: you got banned..? |
| 00:35.51 | jude- | are you using the latest stable verion of the driver and server? |
| 00:35.55 | awilcox | jude-: Yep. |
| 00:35.59 | awilcox | Straight from apt. |
| 00:36.15 | jude- | could be a hardware error too... |
| 00:36.30 | jude- | i810 chipsets seem to vary by manufactorer |
| 00:36.35 | jude- | same with SiS |
| 00:36.55 | thefirstdude | a_meteorite, no it responds Calsign rejected |
| 00:37.02 | thefirstdude | as in it's inapropiate :E |
| 00:37.23 | awilcox | jude-: It's an Intel. |
| 00:37.25 | a_meteorite | maybe they added inferno to the bad word list |
| 00:37.30 | jude- | I know |
| 00:37.35 | awilcox | GenuineIntel(R) 82810 DC100 chip |
| 00:37.43 | jude- | "DC100" |
| 00:37.47 | awilcox | yeah |
| 00:37.47 | jude- | never seen that before... |
| 00:37.50 | awilcox | lspci even has it |
| 00:37.59 | awilcox | it means the FSB is 100MHz |
| 00:38.02 | awilcox | instead of 66 |
| 00:38.06 | thefirstdude | that's like banning anonomously... |
| 00:38.12 | thefirstdude | no idea whyu they'd ban? |
| 00:38.15 | jude- | come to think of it, never seen "GenuineIntel(R)" in a video card entry in lspci |
| 00:38.23 | jude- | it's always been "Intel(R)" for me |
| 00:38.24 | a_meteorite | maybe someone used your name for mischief, thefirstdude |
| 00:38.39 | a_meteorite | or maybe they have a strict filter and your name matches *part* of a bad word |
| 00:38.40 | jude- | or "Intel Corporation" |
| 00:38.53 | thefirstdude | do you think I could talk to the 'server owner'? |
| 00:39.05 | a_meteorite | it can't hurt, but no one can promise success |
| 00:39.21 | thefirstdude | I mean, do you know who he/she is? |
| 00:39.29 | jude- | awilcox: how new is the hardware? |
| 00:39.38 | a_meteorite | no, I don't. use a different name and ask or /report |
| 00:39.52 | thefirstdude | good idea :) |
| 00:40.11 | awilcox | jude-: 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82810 DC-100 GMCH [Graphics Memory Controller Hub] (rev 02) |
| 00:41.06 | jude- | hmmm...did you specify how much RAM it borrows from the system memory? |
| 00:41.08 | jude- | in the xorg.conf |
| 00:41.35 | Suspect | Anyone know where to find BZFlag maps.. besides the forums? |
| 00:41.35 | awilcox | jude-: doesn't borrow from sys RAM |
| 00:41.38 | awilcox | has it's own 4MB |
| 00:41.49 | tannerld | Suspect: there is a mapatorium run somewhere... |
| 00:41.54 | Suspect | Hmm |
| 00:41.56 | jude- | that's odd |
| 00:42.08 | jude- | never seen an Intel graphics adapter with discrete video RAM |
| 00:42.26 | a_meteorite | Suspect: bzflag's sf page has some maps |
| 00:42.29 | awilcox | Suspect: bzflag.org? |
| 00:42.33 | donny_baker | tannerld: there is somewhere... but in the middle of a rewrite that died IIRC |
| 00:42.37 | Suspect | hrm |
| 00:42.40 | awilcox | jude-: it does, it's neat |
| 00:42.48 | awilcox | jude-: to answer your age question, December 1999 |
| 00:42.49 | Suspect | well I'm looking for a map that isn't being used by everyone |
| 00:42.51 | tannerld | donny_baker: really? heh never knew that. thanks |
| 00:42.51 | a_meteorite | donny_baker: yeah, me and some other dude was responsible for rewriting it |
| 00:43.07 | a_meteorite | I could probably revive it, but only if people had an interest |
| 00:43.11 | Suspect | non-CTF just deathmatch and it'd be cool if it wasn't symmetrical |
| 00:43.17 | Suspect | but I'll look around some more thanks |
| 00:43.29 | awilcox | Bah. |
| 00:43.33 | awilcox | I don't like deathmatch. |
| 00:43.34 | a_meteorite | Suspect: bzfs generates random maps if you don't specify -world |
| 00:43.35 | awilcox | I like CTF |
| 00:43.39 | donny_baker | try ducatiwanabees web site... he has TONS of maps |
| 00:43.47 | donny_baker | ill see if i can find the address |
| 00:43.59 | Suspect | awilcox: yeah .. I'm trying to find a map to suggest to my friend but I don't think he's interested in CTF |
| 00:44.30 | awilcox | ah |
| 00:44.30 | Winny | can't touch dis! |
| 00:44.37 | Winny | eek, I can't see anything... |
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| 00:44.56 | Suspect | bah |
| 00:45.01 | Winny | tets |
| 00:45.01 | Suspect | you quit :P |
| 00:45.08 | Winny | test, ahh, yay |
| 00:45.09 | awilcox | Winny: :O |
| 00:45.27 | awilcox | I don't think we're allowed to talk about te[e]ts :P |
| 00:46.51 | jude- | awilcox: is there anything suspicious in the /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 00:46.57 | Winny | speeling mistak |
| 00:47.02 | donny_baker | Suspect: here is a mapetorium http://www.garrettsites.net/bzmaps/ |
| 00:47.14 | Suspect | ahhh woohoo! |
| 00:47.17 | Suspect | Thanks :] |
| 00:47.55 | a_meteorite | RPG was gonna shut that down over a year ago, donny_baker :\ |
| 00:48.06 | a_meteorite | IIRC, he even set a date for when it was going |
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| 00:48.50 | tannerld | a_meteorite: did ya'll ever start the rewrite |
| 00:49.03 | donny_baker | and here is ducatiwanabe's http://www.rangfar.com/hosted/bzflagworld/ |
| 00:49.09 | a_meteorite | tannerld: barely |
| 00:49.52 | awilcox | jude-: nup |
| 00:49.56 | a_meteorite | I look at it now and say "wow, that was bad code" and it's only a few files :P |
| 00:50.06 | jude- | awilcox: what res? |
| 00:50.13 | awilcox | jude-: when it screwed up? |
| 00:50.13 | a_meteorite | that do nothing (ahem) |
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| 00:50.32 | a_meteorite | I would totally consider reviving it though if there was interest in a better mapatorium |
| 00:50.33 | jude- | awilcox: yes |
| 00:50.49 | jude- | older i810's have difficulty going past 800x600 IIRC |
| 00:50.51 | awilcox | jude-: it was probing |
| 00:50.59 | awilcox | jude-: it was autodetecting the monitor |
| 00:51.03 | awilcox | that's when everything fried |
| 00:51.18 | awilcox | jude-: I normally had it at 1280x1024 or even 1600x1200 when I had the nice big CRT |
| 00:51.28 | awilcox | jude-: this is a very unique 82810 from what you say |
| 00:52.23 | awilcox | jude-: lol in the Xorg log it says "I810GetMemory: Found 200M memory" or something like that |
| 00:52.28 | awilcox | so I guess it does borrow from sys RAM |
| 00:52.51 | awilcox | but I know from dxdiag, the BIOS, and the actual chip that it has 4MB onboard |
| 00:55.29 | jude- | awilcox: take it with a grain of salt :) I haven't used an i810 chipset for months :) |
| 00:55.48 | jude- | I'm just going by prior experience with it with older drivers :) |
| 00:55.57 | awilcox | ah |
| 00:56.58 | jude- | can you get it to work without probing? |
| 01:00.22 | awilcox | jude-: obviously |
| 01:00.29 | awilcox | jude-: I'm talking here right? :) |
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| 01:00.53 | awilcox | jude-: I just gave xserver-xorg the raw values |
| 01:01.03 | awilcox | luckily I'm really nerdy and know my monitor's modes memorised |
| 01:02.41 | awilcox | a_met: it's the only channel me & jude- share? |
| 01:02.41 | Hannibal | its IRC, nothing's always on topic. |
| 01:02.43 | jude- | awilcox: sorry; I thought you were using the tty with irssi |
| 01:02.52 | awilcox | jude-: I am, but Xorg screwed the tty too |
| 01:03.01 | a_meteorite | Hannibal: I always get yelled at when I go OT :P |
| 01:03.44 | Hannibal | but you're not making a program to end all mapmaking confusion, are you? |
| 01:04.11 | Winny | Oh he may be |
| 01:04.13 | a_meteorite | I could, if it's needed |
| 01:04.37 | jude- | awilcox: oh! I was confused. X is crashing because you're trying to probe the monitor's values rather than hard-code them |
| 01:04.39 | a_meteorite | I am like Steve Jobs, hear me |
| 01:04.49 | a_meteorite | "we do not comment on future products" |
| 01:04.50 | awilcox | jude-: yes |
| 01:04.51 | jude- | I thought you were just trying to get it to run in the first place |
| 01:05.01 | awilcox | nah |
| 01:05.04 | DTRemenak | pft, a_meteorite, if you're gonna be like Steve Jobs, it's mode +q for you |
| 01:05.18 | awilcox | Haha |
| 01:05.27 | a_meteorite | DTRemenak: fine! I am... BILL GATES! |
| 01:05.36 | Winny | your slowly fading away? |
| 01:05.56 | DTRemenak | a_meteorite: what, you want mode +b instead? :P |
| 01:06.09 | a_meteorite | :( |
| 01:06.25 | jude- | awilcox: based on that false assumption, I've been trying to figure out reasons why the i810 driver would be malfunctioning |
| 01:06.36 | jude- | rather than find out why probing doesn't work |
| 01:06.42 | awilcox | jude-: Ah. |
| 01:06.52 | awilcox | a_met, DTR: lololololol |
| 01:07.05 | jude- | heh--probing is a different beast :) |
| 01:07.14 | awilcox | DTRemenak: just don't probe my monitor |
| 01:07.14 | Winny | calm down :) |
| 01:07.20 | awilcox | Winny: :D |
| 01:07.31 | awilcox | *lols uncontrollably* :P |
| 01:07.31 | blast007 | We're being probed! Jump to warp 5! |
| 01:07.39 | awilcox | blast007: rofl |
| 01:07.47 | jude- | blast007++ |
| 01:07.50 | awilcox | that's about what my monitor screen looked like |
| 01:07.50 | jude- | ~blast007++ |
| 01:07.54 | Winny | "ludacris speed sir!" |
| 01:07.59 | jude- | lol |
| 01:08.03 | awilcox | haha |
| 01:08.22 | blast007 | noooo |
| 01:08.36 | Winny | ok, going to watch some TV, have fun doing whatever it is you do here |
| 01:08.42 | awilcox | Bye Winny. |
| 01:08.43 | jude- | awilcox: heh, probing has never worked for me with integrated chipsets (not only Intel is at fault there :P) |
| 01:08.51 | a_meteorite | WinnyAFK: it's top-secret, shush |
| 01:09.47 | jude- | with awilcox as Scotty! |
| 01:09.52 | awilcox | :D |
| 01:10.09 | awilcox | I'm givin her all she's got, Captain, she can't take much more of this! |
| 01:10.25 | awilcox | Ahhhhhhhh |
| 01:10.32 | awilcox | blast007 |
| 01:10.34 | awilcox | tell my modem |
| 01:10.36 | awilcox | I love her |
| 01:10.44 | awilcox | *klunk* |
| 01:10.48 | jude- | lol |
| 01:13.21 | EnsignChekov | Captain! |
| 01:13.25 | EnsignChekov | DTRemenak at heading 200! |
| 01:13.39 | EnsignChekov | Do you vant me to lock phasers? |
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| 01:15.21 | jude- | okay, *that* was OT |
| 01:15.33 | awilcox | jude-: Maybe a *little* |
| 01:15.45 | jude- | more so than integrated video chipset configuration :P |
| 01:15.53 | DTRemenak | and for future reference, a heading is always two numbers (azimuth and elevation) |
| 01:15.59 | awilcox | jude-: Yeah. If I get desperate I *can* play bzflag here. |
| 01:16.10 | awilcox | DTRemenak: I've only flown aircraft |
| 01:16.19 | jude- | as in, on the IRC? |
| 01:16.29 | awilcox | heading 200 = SSW |
| 01:16.33 | awilcox | jude-: no, in Flightgear |
| 01:16.47 | jude- | I mean, play BZFlag here? |
| 01:16.55 | awilcox | jude-: oh, lol, no |
| 01:16.57 | awilcox | on the i810 |
| 01:17.04 | jude- | oh |
| 01:17.04 | awilcox | I'm on the computer with the i810 |
| 01:17.08 | Hannibal | like in Snakes on a Plane, the guy's logged 2000 hours on FlightSim |
| 01:17.21 | awilcox | 4MB VRAM, 256MB PC100 SDRAM, Celeron 500MHz CPU |
| 01:17.26 | awilcox | But still...it *could* do it |
| 01:17.38 | awilcox | Hannibal: I didn't see that movie...but still...it makes me want to lol |
| 01:17.41 | jude- | heh |
| 01:18.33 | awilcox | jude-: woot what server |
| 01:18.35 | awilcox | I'll play too |
| 01:18.42 | jude- | the most popular one |
| 01:18.43 | awilcox | over there \/ |
| 01:18.46 | awilcox | hepcat?! |
| 01:18.47 | awilcox | I play that |
| 01:18.49 | jude- | dunno |
| 01:18.51 | jude- | sure |
| 01:18.54 | jude- | hepcat works |
| 01:18.54 | awilcox | don't do lodxcol |
| 01:18.58 | jude- | aww |
| 01:19.01 | awilcox | it's too big for my little 64MB VRAM |
| 01:19.06 | jude- | heh |
| 01:19.07 | awilcox | over there |
| 01:19.13 | jude- | hepcat it is? |
| 01:19.17 | awilcox | 4MB here, *6*4MB over there |
| 01:19.19 | DTRemenak | awilcox: spaceflight is true 3d, so you always have to specify the relative elevation of the other object (still in polar coordinates) |
| 01:19.21 | awilcox | jude-: yep |
| 01:19.27 | DTRemenak | i.e. "215 mark 30" |
| 01:19.33 | awilcox | DTRemenak: ahhhh |
| 01:19.36 | awilcox | that's what he was saying |
| 01:19.44 | awilcox | I always wondered. |
| 01:19.51 | awilcox | Chekov would say "heading xxx mark xx" |
| 01:19.58 | DTRemenak | the first number is directional heading on the galactic plane, as you're used to from flight sims |
| 01:20.08 | DTRemenak | the second is the angle off of the plane |
| 01:20.24 | awilcox | DTRemenak: Ahh. |
| 01:20.28 | awilcox | OH TEH NOES |
| 01:20.38 | awilcox | I don't have my iptables configured |
| 01:21.30 | awilcox | hrm |
| 01:21.36 | awilcox | I just configured it and I still can't connect to hepcat |
| 01:22.27 | awilcox | np: Queen/David Bowie - Under Pressure |
| 01:22.33 | awilcox | perfect song :P |
| 01:23.45 | Hannibal | apparently vannila ice thought so too. |
| 01:23.59 | awilcox | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 01:24.02 | awilcox | BAH I always forget that |
| 01:24.07 | awilcox | Hannibal: loooooool |
| 01:24.50 | awilcox | \o/ |
| 01:24.52 | awilcox | fixed |
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| 02:36.22 | jude- | brb--dinner time |
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| 03:12.09 | jude- | back |
| 03:13.05 | awilcox | \o/ |
| 03:13.13 | awilcox | wb jude- |
| 03:13.42 | jude- | awilcox: heh--I suck at BZFlag, as you have probably figured out :) |
| 03:13.47 | jude- | -50 when I left |
| 03:13.54 | awilcox | jude-: I had -27. |
| 03:14.02 | jude- | that's WAY better than I |
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| 03:14.38 | jude- | well, I'm also more fond of siege warfare, like lodoxol's map |
| 03:14.39 | Macrosoft | hey jude, it wiped my files anyway...even though i didnt format the drives |
| 03:15.02 | jude- | did it wipe your user data? |
| 03:15.04 | jude- | i.e. /home |
| 03:15.07 | Macrosoft | yes |
| 03:15.13 | jude- | did you back it up? |
| 03:15.16 | Macrosoft | no |
| 03:15.36 | jude- | why? |
| 03:15.45 | Macrosoft | not enough space |
| 03:15.53 | jude- | no other drives anywhere? |
| 03:15.57 | jude- | no remote UNIX account |
| 03:16.00 | jude- | no file compressors? |
| 03:16.11 | jude- | no buddies to bum space off of? |
| 03:16.30 | Macrosoft | most of my drives are(well...were) pretty full |
| 03:17.07 | jude- | what did you lose? |
| 03:17.22 | Macrosoft | and i still never accomplished what i was trying to do in the first place |
| 03:17.30 | jude- | no CD-Rs? |
| 03:17.43 | jude- | what were you trying to do? |
| 03:17.53 | jude- | fix the the X server? |
| 03:17.54 | Macrosoft | i wouldnt be able to use them... i couldnt start kde |
| 03:18.04 | jude- | Macrosoft: use cdrecord |
| 03:18.10 | jude- | command-line CD burner |
| 03:18.24 | jude- | K3b uses cdrecord as it's back-end software |
| 03:18.25 | Macrosoft | not too familiar with konsole |
| 03:18.33 | jude- | I meant from the TTY console |
| 03:18.46 | jude- | i.e. the one you don't need the GUI running |
| 03:18.53 | Macrosoft | wish i knew about that earlier |
| 03:18.59 | Macrosoft | too late now |
| 03:19.03 | jude- | Ctrl+Alt+F1 |
| 03:19.10 | jude- | or F2, or F3, or F4 |
| 03:19.15 | Macrosoft | whats that do? |
| 03:19.21 | jude- | that'll get you to one of the four virtual TTY console |
| 03:19.25 | jude- | *consoles |
| 03:19.26 | JeffM | takes you to a terminal |
| 03:19.29 | JeffM | like we told you to do |
| 03:20.06 | jude- | you don't need the GUI or anything...just a monitor and a supported framebuffer |
| 03:20.19 | jude- | which all PCs have |
| 03:20.21 | jude- | (iirc) |
| 03:22.13 | jude- | Macrosoft: how much of a re-install did you do? |
| 03:22.28 | jude- | did you format anything or change any partitions? |
| 03:22.49 | jude- | and more importantly, did you have a separate partition mounted on /home? |
| 03:22.58 | jude- | if so, it may be possible to recover your data |
| 03:23.05 | jude- | by grepping the partition device file |
| 03:25.25 | jude- | rule #1 when re-installing software: back up EVERYTHING YOU CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT |
| 03:25.41 | jude- | especially as much software as a Linux distro |
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| 03:26.15 | Macrosoft | you didnt tell me how to get out of it |
| 03:26.25 | jude- | get out of the TTY? |
| 03:26.29 | Macrosoft | yeah |
| 03:26.34 | jude- | /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 03:26.43 | Macrosoft | ok |
| 03:26.52 | JeffM | well this IS #bzflag not #linux |
| 03:27.08 | JeffM | perhaps you should go read more about nix |
| 03:27.39 | jude- | or get a LiveCD distro like Knoppix |
| 03:27.40 | Macrosoft | i dont use that one, i use konsole |
| 03:27.55 | jude- | ? |
| 03:28.18 | jude- | Konsole only works if the X server is running |
| 03:28.29 | Macrosoft | yeah |
| 03:28.38 | jude- | well, if you can't start X, you're stuck with the TTY |
| 03:28.50 | jude- | same commands and everything...just not in a window |
| 03:29.21 | jude- | which "one" did you say you didn't use? |
| 03:29.44 | Macrosoft | which what? |
| 03:30.00 | jude- | "< Macrosoft> i dont use that one, i use konsole" |
| 03:30.28 | Macrosoft | the one the shortcut you told me about brings me to |
| 03:31.06 | jude- | like I said, "well, if you can't start X, you're stuck with the TTY" |
| 03:31.21 | Macrosoft | what about it? |
| 03:31.29 | jude- | Konsole runs in a window |
| 03:31.34 | Macrosoft | i know |
| 03:31.43 | jude- | you need the X-Windows System to be running for there to be windows |
| 03:31.45 | awilcox | Macrosoft: restarting kdm != konsole |
| 03:32.04 | jude- | if you can't get X (short for X-Windows System) to start, you're stuck with the TTY |
| 03:32.10 | Macrosoft | i know |
| 03:32.22 | awilcox | *reset* |
| 03:32.22 | jude- | you can't start X, you said? |
| 03:32.27 | awilcox | Macrosoft: What is your problem? |
| 03:32.28 | Macrosoft | i can |
| 03:32.42 | Macrosoft | ive already reinstalled mandriva |
| 03:32.49 | jude- | didn't you say before that you couldn't? |
| 03:32.52 | purple_cow | oof, mandriva |
| 03:33.19 | jude- | Macrosoft: since you re-installed and have lost your data anyway, you're better off switching to something more...real, like Debian |
| 03:33.27 | jude- | or Slackware |
| 03:33.29 | jude- | or Gentoo |
| 03:33.43 | jude- | or Fedora |
| 03:33.56 | Macrosoft | it would start...but the refresh rate was out os the support range for my monitor |
| 03:34.03 | Macrosoft | *of |
| 03:34.23 | jude- | did you get to the GUI? |
| 03:34.34 | awilcox | Macrosoft: I just dealt with that. sudo vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change the VertRefresh line |
| 03:34.45 | Macrosoft | too late |
| 03:34.47 | jude- | or try probing (of you're brave) |
| 03:34.58 | jude- | and it might be detected for you |
| 03:35.04 | jude- | (just don't try it with the i810 :) ) |
| 03:35.09 | awilcox | LOL |
| 03:35.37 | Macrosoft | i was trying to get mandriva to use the native res for my monitor |
| 03:35.52 | Macrosoft | but it had other plans |
| 03:36.04 | jude- | *sigh* |
| 03:36.08 | jude- | www.linuxquestions.org |
| 03:36.21 | jude- | biggest aggregate of "how to fix my X server settings" questions |
| 03:36.22 | TimRiker | still on the mandriva support channel? |
| 03:36.33 | Macrosoft | i tried adding a modeline to my xorg.conf |
| 03:37.33 | TimRiker | please take it over there. it's been, what? 2 hours? 3 hours? |
| 03:38.05 | awilcox | 20 minutes. |
| 03:38.10 | awilcox | Just feels like 3 hours. |
| 03:38.35 | TimRiker | This was the topic before I left work. that was about 3 hours ago. |
| 03:38.40 | awilcox | oh |
| 03:38.42 | awilcox | I wasn't here |
| 03:39.02 | jude- | TimRiker: the subject was dropped shortly after, and brought back up again about 20 minutes ago just before you arived |
| 03:39.06 | jude- | *arrived |
| 03:39.10 | TimRiker | I was, then I left, now I'm back and it still is mandriva support. |
| 03:39.28 | awilcox | sounds like TimRiker is just having bad luck with Macrosoft today :P |
| 03:39.39 | TimRiker | jude-: ah. well not as bad then. but still... #mandriva is there for a reason. ;) |
| 03:39.45 | jude- | tis true |
| 03:40.22 | JeffM | if Macrosoft would listen and go there ;) |
| 03:42.56 | Thumper_ | jude-: just in case you don't know... make clean and make in bzworkbench/Debug fails with no rule to make target dialogs/QuickLabel.o |
| 03:43.48 | jude- | did you try "make all" |
| 03:43.54 | Thumper_ | no :) |
| 03:44.06 | Thumper_ | same |
| 03:44.13 | jude- | I was afraid so |
| 03:44.31 | Thumper_ | all is the default target (I think) |
| 03:45.13 | Thumper_ | if it works for you then it's probably just some uncommitted stuff |
| 03:45.22 | Thumper_ | but don't waste time with it if you have real work to do :) |
| 03:45.31 | jude- | Thumper_ no; it should work |
| 03:45.44 | jude- | what happened in the last commit was I re-arranged the file hierarchy |
| 03:45.56 | jude- | dialogs/QuickLabel.o no longer exists |
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| 03:46.16 | jude- | it's important that I get it to work |
| 03:46.21 | jude- | hang on a sec.. |
| 03:46.23 | Thumper_ | if it builds for you then you probably just have to commit whatever the new makefile info is |
| 03:47.02 | jude- | I'm not even sure if it's under version control :) |
| 03:47.48 | Thumper_ | widgets/QuickLabel.cpp exists |
| 03:48.48 | jude- | yup |
| 03:48.56 | jude- | the make target should be widgets/QuickLabel.o |
| 03:49.08 | jude- | it says it is in my makefiles... |
| 03:49.13 | jude- | lemme do a quick commit |
| 03:49.19 | Thumper_ | then you just need to commit those I think |
| 03:53.28 | Thumper_ | jude-: svn status should tell you what's modified in your working tree |
| 03:53.38 | Thumper_ | M is modified, A is added etc IIRC |
| 03:54.52 | jude- | Thumper_: I know |
| 03:55.05 | jude- | I'm getting this: |
| 03:55.06 | jude- | jude@laptop:~/projects/bzworkbench$ svn commit |
| 03:55.06 | jude- | svn: Commit failed (details follow): |
| 03:55.06 | jude- | svn: '/home/jude/projects' is not a working copy |
| 03:55.06 | jude- | svn: Can't open file '/home/jude/projects/.svn/entries': No such file or directory |
| 03:55.09 | jude- | jude@laptop:~/projects/bzworkbench$ |
| 03:55.31 | jude- | never did I add ~/projects to SVN |
| 03:56.19 | Thumper_ | you would have checked out the bzflag repository somewhere and added the bzworkbench directory (right?) |
| 03:56.54 | jude- | no... |
| 03:57.11 | jude- | just the svn root of bzworkbench |
| 03:57.26 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 03:57.41 | Thumper_ | you should have a .svn directory in the root of your working dir |
| 03:57.50 | Thumper_ | which has the info about where the repository lives |
| 03:57.54 | jude- | in ~/projects/bzworkbench there is |
| 03:58.16 | Thumper_ | and you have an 'entries' file in there? |
| 03:58.21 | jude- | yes |
| 03:59.01 | Thumper_ | it's just text - can you view it? |
| 03:59.04 | jude- | yes |
| 03:59.09 | jude- | viewing... |
| 03:59.16 | Thumper_ | ok then then error msg doens't make any sense to me |
| 03:59.19 | Thumper_ | since the file exists |
| 03:59.30 | jude- | it thinks the directory above it should be in svn |
| 03:59.42 | jude- | any way to change that? |
| 03:59.59 | Thumper_ | not sure - I'm not an SVN expert :/ |
| 04:02.57 | jude- | well, until I can get a fix, I can't commit :? |
| 04:03.27 | JeffM | what is the problem? |
| 04:04.19 | jude- | can't commit |
| 04:04.22 | jude- | see --^' |
| 04:04.38 | Thumper_ | jude-: you're in the root of your bzworkbench dir when you do svn status ? |
| 04:05.08 | jude- | yes |
| 04:05.13 | JeffM | I usualy just get a new repo |
| 04:05.20 | JeffM | and copy my moded files when the repo gets jacked |
| 04:05.21 | Thumper_ | I just checked it out 'fresh' and it seems to be fine here |
| 04:05.27 | Thumper_ | that'll work too |
| 04:06.01 | Thumper_ | JeffM: "when..." makes it sound like a normal thing ??!!?? |
| 04:06.21 | JeffM | if something bad happens durring a commit it's happend to me |
| 04:06.28 | JeffM | usualy network timeouts and the like |
| 04:06.31 | Thumper_ | cvs or svn ? |
| 04:07.13 | jude- | this the third time this week this has happened to me |
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| 05:37.36 | TimRiker | ibot: wb |
| 05:37.37 | ibot | It's great to be back! |
| 05:39.47 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r14330 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (14 files in 7 dirs): Hopefull this fixes it (...again...*cringe*) |
| 05:41.26 | jude- | nope; build errors |
| 05:42.02 | jude- | probably a missing make file |
| 05:47.00 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r14331 10/trunk/bzworkbench/Debug/ (makefile model/subdir.mk): fixed up makefiles...? |
| 05:47.29 | jude- | hang on a sec... now need to move mesh.h back into place |
| 05:48.47 | jude- | ...and do some other stuff... |
| 05:53.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r14332 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (7 files in 5 dirs): There! It builds again |
| 05:57.31 | jude- | Thanks for your patience guys! |
| 05:57.46 | purple_cow | awesome |
| 05:57.49 | jude- | I'll try not to make any more mistakes like this |
| 05:58.14 | purple_cow | I think the trick is to just always use svn to move things around |
| 05:58.23 | purple_cow | and never mv/rm/eclipse/etc |
| 05:58.31 | jude- | heh |
| 05:58.37 | jude- | indeed |
| 05:58.41 | awilcox | anybody know if cdp is still around? |
| 06:10.34 | blast007 | awilcox: cdp? |
| 06:26.15 | awilcox | blast007: console CD player for Linux circa 1998 |
| 06:29.14 | blast007 | ah, only thing I could think of was Cisco Discovery Protocol :) |
| 06:32.50 | awilcox | blast007: hehe :) |
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| 12:42.32 | eTangenT | oh wow |
| 12:42.37 | eTangenT | you guys master banned PETER? |
| 12:52.44 | Macrosoft | banned? from this channel or in the game? |
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| 12:53.11 | eTangenT | The game, I think\ |
| 12:53.21 | eTangenT | or BZBB |
| 12:57.41 | Macrosoft | too many callsigns with "peter" in them...cant find his |
| 13:00.59 | Macrosoft | i found my stats: |
| 13:01.10 | Macrosoft | High Score 2 |
| 13:01.16 | Daveman | busy flag |
| 13:01.52 | Macrosoft | Email String MDK_x86_0 |
| 13:01.52 | Macrosoft | High Score 2 |
| 13:01.52 | Macrosoft | Low Score -463 |
| 13:01.52 | Macrosoft | High Strength Index 0.5 |
| 13:01.53 | Macrosoft | Low Strength Index -1068.03 |
| 13:01.53 | Macrosoft | High Kill Ratio 0.5 |
| 13:01.55 | Macrosoft | Low Kill Ratio -37 |
| 13:01.57 | Macrosoft | Most Wins 539 |
| 13:01.59 | Macrosoft | Most Losses 1002 |
| 13:02.01 | Macrosoft | Last Seen Wed Jun 13 10:44:05 EDT 2007 |
| 13:02.03 | Macrosoft | Wed Jun 13 14:44:05 GMT 2007 |
| 13:02.05 | Macrosoft | Last Server 75.65.81.245:5156 |
| 13:02.53 | eTangenT | oh no! |
| 13:02.55 | eTangenT | not Daveman! |
| 13:03.00 | eTangenT | :P |
| 13:03.17 | Birdie | use pastebin if you paste something big like this macrosoft |
| 13:03.35 | Thumper_ | ditto |
| 13:05.53 | Daveman | kekeke |
| 13:06.59 | eTangenT | Hey, no daverushing in here. |
| 13:07.13 | eTangenT | Go to the penalty box. |
| 13:13.50 | Daveman | ... |
| 13:14.11 | Daveman | whee |
| 13:17.01 | Tedius | Hi eTangenT |
| 13:17.11 | Tedius | yes, PETER was masterbanned |
| 13:18.28 | Tedius | he flew off the handle |
| 13:19.47 | Macrosoft | banned from forums or the game? |
| 13:21.29 | Daveman | masterbanned? |
| 13:21.39 | Daveman | What kind of terminology is that. |
| 13:21.55 | Thumper_ | as in added to the BZFlag master ban list which most servers use |
| 13:22.08 | Macrosoft | oh |
| 13:22.16 | Daveman | :p |
| 13:22.32 | Daveman | haha, you're welcome Macrosoft :p |
| 13:22.32 | Macrosoft | he must have done something pretty bad |
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| 13:52.39 | eTangenT | Tedius: what exactly happened? |
| 13:52.46 | eTangenT | not that I miss the guy. |
| 13:52.52 | eTangenT | his ego bothered me. |
| 13:52.55 | brad | he spammed bzbb |
| 13:52.58 | eTangenT | ah |
| 13:53.01 | brad | or something like that |
| 13:55.31 | eTangenT | Hey brad, let's start a new openleague |
| 13:55.49 | brad | let's not :P |
| 13:55.56 | eTangenT | it'll be better this time! |
| 13:55.59 | eTangenT | No Molez! |
| 13:56.41 | brad | no new leagues will survive for long |
| 13:57.31 | Tedius | i'm back |
| 13:57.33 | eTangenT | You're probably right. |
| 13:57.53 | TheRedBaron | eTangenT: there really isn't the player base for multiple leagues |
| 13:58.31 | TheRedBaron | and bz isn't akin to other FPS |
| 13:59.02 | TheRedBaron | its so, that someone who plays in XYZ league - won't have the skill set, or preference type for ABC league |
| 14:00.21 | TheRedBaron | your 3 most popular leagues are - Guleague, Pillbox, and Ducati |
| 14:00.39 | TheRedBaron | You don't see very many active players between those 3 leagues |
| 14:00.47 | TheRedBaron | there are some - yes |
| 14:00.57 | TheRedBaron | but they don't make up the majority of the players in each respective league |
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| 14:02.01 | eTangenT | hm |
| 14:02.08 | eTangenT | my pillbox team is only me :( |
| 14:07.22 | TheRedBaron | eTangenT: ah, now you've got the idea :) |
| 14:07.49 | eTangenT | yeah. |
| 14:07.53 | TheRedBaron | also 1 big league, with all the styles, doesn't incorporate the ability to be in multiple teams |
| 14:07.54 | eTangenT | nobody's really joining. |
| 14:08.31 | Tedius | I think leagues are a good idea, but I just can't play on them |
| 14:08.37 | Tedius | I have to come and go all the time |
| 14:09.18 | eTangenT | Yeah, I'm working two jobs now, also |
| 14:09.23 | eTangenT | not much time to play anymore |
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| 14:36.22 | TheRedBaron | eTangenT, Tedius, those are all common in any other games |
| 14:36.32 | TheRedBaron | but with most other games, you have a much larger playerbase |
| 14:36.45 | TheRedBaron | not so with bz |
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| 14:37.18 | ruskie | :) |
| 14:37.28 | TheRedBaron | also league running can be a bit of a pain - because your most active players, are those with the most time - which is generally the young age group |
| 14:37.43 | ruskie | I dislike organised gaming... |
| 14:37.48 | ruskie | i.e. leages/guilds :) |
| 14:37.53 | TheRedBaron | ~lart ruskie |
| 14:37.53 | ibot | eats ruskie and falls over dead |
| 14:38.05 | TheRedBaron | ruskie: you seem to be a rogue :) |
| 14:38.26 | ruskie | acctually I prefer to play blue team :) |
| 14:38.35 | scott | tker |
| 14:38.50 | ruskie | or generaly any team who's colours don't make me wanna puke |
| 14:39.00 | ruskie | i.e. I can't EVER play as red effectively |
| 14:40.03 | TheRedBaron | i find leagues fun |
| 14:40.17 | TheRedBaron | they add another dimension, other then senseless fragging. |
| 14:40.30 | ruskie | lol |
| 14:40.35 | TheRedBaron | not to rag on senseless fragging. after rough day at work, thats all I often want to do |
| 14:40.42 | ruskie | it's more fun trying to get a $random collection of ppl to play as a team |
| 14:40.54 | TheRedBaron | ruskie: its also more frustrating :) |
| 14:41.14 | ruskie | only if 80% of the team is more interested in fragging than acctually doing something |
| 14:41.37 | TheRedBaron | correct, but which is the norm? |
| 14:41.51 | ruskie | seems to be more or less evenly spaced |
| 14:42.15 | TheRedBaron | hrm, not my general opinion :) |
| 14:42.34 | ruskie | you either get a ton of newbs on the team, ton of intermediate players that have some clue or on of long time players that know how to |
| 14:42.57 | TheRedBaron | ruskie: what servers do you usually frequent? |
| 14:43.02 | TheRedBaron | Hepcat? vipers? |
| 14:43.06 | ruskie | viper |
| 14:43.16 | ruskie | basicaly the only one I'm around on longer than 5 minutes |
| 14:43.24 | ruskie | it has just the pace of the game I like ussualy |
| 14:43.38 | TheRedBaron | vipers still running two towers? |
| 14:43.43 | ruskie | two castles |
| 14:43.44 | ruskie | yeah |
| 14:43.46 | TheRedBaron | I can't stand the chokepoint |
| 14:43.53 | ruskie | not high strung action that you can't even get your bearings before being killed... |
| 14:44.02 | ruskie | lol |
| 14:44.12 | ruskie | I hardly ever go to the other side that way |
| 14:44.25 | ruskie | to many bullets there |
| 14:44.32 | TheRedBaron | its usually suicide to try it that way |
| 14:44.36 | ruskie | only times I'm there is ussualy when team flag needs to be grabbed |
| 14:44.39 | eTangenT | TheRedBaron: most people go over the wall |
| 14:44.40 | TheRedBaron | so unless you have OO, or SB |
| 14:44.53 | ruskie | and then I have my own technique that ussualy works |
| 14:45.04 | ruskie | nahhh for flag grabbing st or cl do as well |
| 14:45.11 | ruskie | or sh |
| 14:45.37 | eTangenT | hey ruskie, mind if I pm you? |
| 14:45.47 | ruskie | need to unignore you first :) |
| 14:45.54 | eTangenT | :P |
| 14:46.17 | ruskie | try now |
| 14:46.29 | TheRedBaron | eTangenT: that and often, populars maps are not "optimized" for league play |
| 14:46.50 | eTangenT | yeah |
| 14:46.52 | eTangenT | Missile War |
| 14:46.57 | eTangenT | I hate the flags |
| 14:47.13 | TheRedBaron | in leagues, you only play with the team flags |
| 14:47.40 | TheRedBaron | but due to map complexity - some are just impossible for leagues |
| 14:48.05 | ruskie | TheRedBaron, I like super flags |
| 14:48.26 | ruskie | it's fun to grab a gm flag jump over something while turning and locking on to the guy trying to chase you |
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| 14:50.09 | TheRedBaron | ruskie: imagine a league match, 3vs3, and some one grabs GM :) |
| 14:50.25 | ruskie | to few ppl to my liking :) |
| 14:50.34 | ruskie | I like atleast 5v5 - 10v10 |
| 14:50.46 | ruskie | anything in that range is for me perfect |
| 14:50.57 | TheRedBaron | I see why you don't like organized gaming :) |
| 14:51.17 | TheRedBaron | 5vs5 - the only league I've seen that happen "regularly" is GU |
| 14:51.50 | ruskie | yeah a few said I should maybe try it sometime... but I really don't much care for organisation |
| 14:52.08 | ruskie | I play for fun and last time I checked fun != organised |
| 14:52.15 | TheRedBaron | lol |
| 14:52.35 | TheRedBaron | 5vs5 can be chaotic in GU |
| 14:52.40 | TheRedBaron | and ducati |
| 14:52.46 | ruskie | can be on viper as well :) |
| 14:53.09 | TheRedBaron | ruskie: you shoudl try it |
| 14:53.13 | ruskie | but up to 10v10 I can acctually make sense of the game... anything higher and I ussualy have no clue what specificaly is happening... |
| 14:53.19 | TheRedBaron | its not that organized |
| 14:53.51 | TheRedBaron | if you're on a team, with 5 players on, challenge another team, with 5 players available. if they accept, go to a private match server |
| 14:53.55 | TheRedBaron | 30min match |
| 14:54.00 | TheRedBaron | and the purpose is to capture the flag |
| 14:54.16 | ruskie | with up to 10v10 I can ussualy get the feel o what the team is doing and act accordingly... |
| 14:55.13 | TheRedBaron | so its easier to read what 9 other people are doing/thinkings, vs 4 other people doing/thinking? |
| 14:55.24 | ruskie | acctually yes |
| 14:55.26 | TheRedBaron | sir ruskie, you have a strange mind ;) |
| 14:55.29 | ruskie | yup |
| 14:55.35 | TheRedBaron | eTangenT: you around? |
| 14:55.42 | ruskie | my logic conficts with the regular kind most ppl know |
| 14:55.47 | ruskie | erm conflicts |
| 14:55.57 | TheRedBaron | ruskie: same has been said of me :) |
| 14:56.31 | ruskie | TheRedBaron, well acctually I'm aware of it... |
| 14:56.48 | ruskie | anyway off to play some... |
| 14:57.09 | TheRedBaron | ruskie: may the chaos be with you |
| 14:58.24 | eTangenT | ? |
| 14:58.56 | TheRedBaron | eTangenT: still interested in creating a league? |
| 14:59.20 | TheRedBaron | I have an idea that might have some merits |
| 14:59.50 | eTangenT | possibly |
| 14:59.51 | TheRedBaron | and it would be akin to open league |
| 14:59.58 | eTangenT | let's hear it |
| 15:00.52 | TheRedBaron | there was a league based on ducati style |
| 15:00.57 | TheRedBaron | called "fun league" |
| 15:01.10 | TheRedBaron | the unique thing about this league, was that there were no organized teams |
| 15:01.19 | TheRedBaron | they just recorded fun matches |
| 15:01.22 | TheRedBaron | and who played in them |
| 15:01.37 | TheRedBaron | now, lets expand the maps/style |
| 15:01.50 | TheRedBaron | have an openleague type - where all sorts of configurations are possible |
| 15:01.58 | TheRedBaron | but have not organized teams |
| 15:02.00 | TheRedBaron | *no |
| 15:02.02 | eTangenT | hm |
| 15:02.04 | eTangenT | I like that |
| 15:02.09 | eTangenT | I really like that |
| 15:02.14 | TheRedBaron | record all sorts of data possible |
| 15:02.25 | TheRedBaron | you could have a huge database of player ratings |
| 15:02.33 | TheRedBaron | what maps/styles player X is best and, and worst at |
| 15:02.40 | TheRedBaron | what color player X prefers |
| 15:02.45 | eTangenT | that might also work for tracking what groups of people work best |
| 15:02.48 | TheRedBaron | the statistics are endless |
| 15:02.52 | TheRedBaron | correct |
| 15:03.10 | TheRedBaron | the organization would be Players X Y Z B G H |
| 15:03.17 | TheRedBaron | are playing at server Q |
| 15:03.28 | TheRedBaron | they say "hey, lets have a "fun" match" |
| 15:03.55 | TheRedBaron | haggle over what game type, go play, report what color won, who played, etc etc |
| 15:04.31 | TheRedBaron | that way, you don't have the frustration, of never having your teamates on, at the same time you are |
| 15:04.34 | TheRedBaron | for there are no teams |
| 15:04.55 | TheRedBaron | just games |
| 15:05.04 | TheRedBaron | heck, you might even get ruskie to play ;) |
| 15:06.19 | eTangenT | yeah |
| 15:06.21 | eTangenT | would be fun |
| 15:06.31 | eTangenT | just mess around until a few people join, then match on the spot |
| 15:06.38 | TheRedBaron | exactly |
| 15:06.40 | eTangenT | I probably wouldn't even need registration for that |
| 15:06.48 | TheRedBaron | go for registration |
| 15:06.55 | TheRedBaron | organization is a good thing |
| 15:07.06 | eTangenT | Nah, we want ruskie to play :P |
| 15:07.11 | eTangenT | *rimshot* |
| 15:07.51 | TheRedBaron | *laughter track* |
| 15:08.16 | eTangenT | but yeah |
| 15:08.33 | eTangenT | I'll try and set something up |
| 15:08.58 | eTangenT | Going to have to make a new league system though |
| 15:09.13 | eTangenT | I think the only organization we'll have is having user groups |
| 15:14.22 | TheRedBaron | you'll use the public servers? |
| 15:14.27 | TheRedBaron | no match servers? |
| 15:14.49 | eTangenT | Well, there'll be match server(s) |
| 15:15.08 | eTangenT | but it'll be fairly public |
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| 15:53.45 | TheRedBaron | there goes my use for my old socks |
| 15:55.53 | EbErT | i bought a radeon 9800 card, and the only label i can see on it says "Hercules" |
| 15:56.09 | EbErT | shouldn't there be an ati logo somewhere? this was a pc card converted to mac |
| 15:58.21 | Erroneous | ati has been selling chips to third-party manufacturers for quite a while...it's just like if you bought a geforce from evga, you would not see an nvidia logo on the card itself. |
| 15:58.53 | EbErT | ah ok, i had no idea (everything software-wise looks right) |
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| 16:21.50 | thefirstdude | where's the server list? |
| 16:21.57 | thefirstdude | what address is it at? |
| 16:22.04 | thefirstdude | like my.bzflag.org/slist? |
| 16:22.15 | brad | my.bzflag.org/db/?action=LIST |
| 16:22.36 | thefirstdude | thanks |
| 16:24.18 | thefirstdude | how does bzflag figure out how many ppl are on? |
| 16:24.24 | thefirstdude | does it do a server query? |
| 16:24.35 | thefirstdude | like ask each server |
| 16:26.14 | brad | when someone joins/disconnects, bzfs notifies the list server |
| 16:26.26 | brad | I think, anyway :) |
| 16:27.05 | thefirstdude | I could edit bzfs to lie to the server :) |
| 16:27.32 | Erroneous | you could indeed, just like you can edit the client to lie to the server (i.e. cheat) |
| 16:27.35 | Thumper_ | hehe |
| 16:27.37 | Erroneous | and the penalty is the same |
| 16:27.56 | thefirstdude | yep, good thing I don't have a server |
| 16:28.00 | Erroneous | in the case of lying to the list server, it's politely termed "forcible delisting" |
| 16:28.08 | thefirstdude | I use tadds and thumpers |
| 16:28.31 | thefirstdude | the temptation to cheat is a strong one |
| 16:28.43 | Erroneous | why? |
| 16:29.31 | Erroneous | if you cheat, then you don't know your true capabilities, and you can't improve. I don't see it as appealing at all. |
| 16:29.46 | thefirstdude | true |
| 16:46.43 | thefirstdude | Thumper_, how come I can't run /set on your server |
| 16:46.59 | thefirstdude | Thumper_, I'd like to change settings on my maps ;) |
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| 16:57.25 | thefirstdude | how to become not away? |
| 16:57.46 | blast007 | hmm? |
| 16:57.56 | blast007 | you don't seem to be /away to me |
| 16:57.56 | thefirstdude | unaway is a word? |
| 16:58.02 | thefirstdude | I am now |
| 16:58.15 | blast007 | you can just type /away to come back |
| 16:58.25 | thefirstdude | I know, I tried unaway and it worked |
| 16:58.33 | blast007 | depends on the client |
| 16:58.37 | thefirstdude | oh |
| 16:58.41 | blast007 | all they do is send the "away" command again |
| 16:58.59 | blast007 | some client have /back as well |
| 16:59.09 | thefirstdude | cool |
| 16:59.15 | JeffM | and ya all say I use bad english ;) |
| 17:01.38 | blast007 | ;) |
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| 17:24.47 | Thumper_ | thefirstdude: should be fixed. |
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| 17:35.22 | JeffM | well THAT wasn't the right process to kill :) |
| 17:35.38 | ruskie | :) |
| 17:36.34 | ts | ~say I am alive |
| 17:36.34 | ibot | I am alive |
| 17:36.38 | JeffM | garage games came out with a free CSG editor, I was testing it, but ran 2 instances, and it seems it dosn't like to double register :) |
| 17:36.46 | ts | hrm |
| 17:36.54 | ts | ~seen strayer |
| 17:36.55 | ibot | strayer <n=s-t-r-a-@p54b40e17.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 23d 21h 8m 51s ago, saying: 'blast007 ..of course ;)'. |
| 17:44.13 | thefirstdude | JeffM, are you using windows? |
| 17:44.20 | JeffM | here yes |
| 17:44.34 | JeffM | why? |
| 17:44.50 | thefirstdude | cause it can be tricky finding the right processes to kill ;) |
| 17:44.55 | thefirstdude | on windows |
| 17:44.59 | JeffM | I clicked too many times |
| 17:45.06 | JeffM | It was easy to find it |
| 17:45.23 | JeffM | Constructor.exe |
| 17:45.29 | thefirstdude | oh, I find myself typing process names into google before killing them |
| 17:45.48 | JeffM | I wasn't killing random processes just to kill them |
| 17:45.54 | thefirstdude | I see |
| 17:45.55 | JeffM | I do have some clue what I'm doing ;) |
| 17:46.14 | thefirstdude | lol, I find myself virus hunting sometimes |
| 17:46.32 | JeffM | then you lack confidence in your system and virus solutions |
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| 17:46.36 | JeffM | and an IT dept |
| 17:46.52 | thefirstdude | true |
| 17:47.05 | thefirstdude | there's only one way to gain confidence |
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| 18:01.00 | blast007 | thefirstdude: buying a shield with +5 Confidence? |
| 18:01.19 | thefirstdude | um, yeh :) |
| 18:01.30 | thefirstdude | that can help |
| 18:01.31 | JeffM | or a potion |
| 18:01.54 | JeffM | it'll also help your will save |
| 18:02.12 | thefirstdude | I heard aliens have those |
| 18:03.10 | JeffM | everyone has a will save |
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| 18:04.11 | thefirstdude | I was talking about the potions ;) |
| 18:04.24 | JeffM | aliens tend to use implants |
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| 18:16.25 | ts | ~say I am alive |
| 18:16.25 | ibot | I am alive |
| 18:16.29 | ts | oops |
| 18:17.10 | QuantumBeep | OH NO |
| 18:17.16 | QuantumBeep | Now PETER is gone! |
| 18:17.21 | QuantumBeep | Who will make maps for us? |
| 18:17.43 | CBG | The MDG, amongst others. ;) |
| 18:17.50 | CBG | And they'll actually be good. :P |
| 18:18.56 | QuantumBeep | I think it's safe to say we don't need more maps that badly. |
| 18:19.08 | CBG | Safe as houses, gov'. |
| 18:19.10 | thefirstdude | Tedius, DW, me, tanner, spazzy, louman |
| 18:19.50 | QuantumBeep | But none of those plebes have the raw talent of PETER when it comes to mapping. And none of them have his personal style and grace ;) |
| 18:20.12 | thefirstdude | huh |
| 18:20.22 | thefirstdude | I don't remember any of PETERS maps |
| 18:20.36 | donny_baker | exactly ;) |
| 18:20.43 | blast007 | I remember one |
| 18:20.46 | blast007 | because I ran it for a while |
| 18:21.05 | blast007 | gave him cop status |
| 18:21.20 | QuantumBeep | Hehe, he made the map and you only gave him cop. |
| 18:21.21 | blast007 | then he complained that he needed full admin |
| 18:21.30 | blast007 | so I took away his cop status |
| 18:21.35 | QuantumBeep | So he could use /kill and /flag give? |
| 18:21.37 | thefirstdude | I make maps and only get junior cop with norang |
| 18:21.37 | blast007 | yeah |
| 18:21.56 | blast007 | he even told me he wanted to be able to /flag give |
| 18:22.28 | QuantumBeep | That's disturbing. |
| 18:22.33 | thefirstdude | at least some will miss him: http://music.case.edu/temp/ltkirb2.png |
| 18:22.59 | thefirstdude | or 1... |
| 18:23.15 | blast007 | "how could blast do this" simple: vi bzfls.php |
| 18:23.18 | QuantumBeep | Oh my, both of them share a brain. That explains a few things |
| 18:24.33 | CBG | LOL at the RIP in email........! haahaha |
| 18:24.48 | thefirstdude | that's what I thought was funny |
| 18:25.01 | brad | I have seen 2 people with "RIP Peter" already |
| 18:25.13 | brad | why do they care |
| 18:25.27 | CBG | roflmao! |
| 18:26.54 | JeffM | if peter realy wanted to make amends he'd actualy come and talk to us instead of using his "friends" |
| 18:27.03 | CBG | "friends", right :D |
| 18:27.11 | JeffM | yeah |
| 18:30.40 | donny_baker | i don't think PETER wants to at this point in time... it's his "friends" who want him too |
| 18:30.48 | JeffM | probably |
| 18:31.05 | donny_baker | last night when they were all whining I told him what he had to do |
| 18:31.19 | donny_baker | ntold him no guarantees, but it was his only choice |
| 18:31.20 | JeffM | I know there are also people who had a beef with him and may wish to "PUSH" that he's gone |
| 18:32.17 | donny_baker | i think he is a little too embarased at this point in time |
| 18:32.25 | JeffM | probalby |
| 18:32.28 | JeffM | he'll cool off later |
| 18:32.31 | JeffM | he usualy does |
| 18:32.49 | JeffM | this isn't the firs time action has been taken agasint him |
| 18:33.15 | JeffM | he's just too imature to realy work in a group I think |
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| 18:37.35 | Erroneous | CBG: you ok? |
| 18:37.56 | CBG | Any reason I shouldn't be? |
| 18:38.00 | CBG | Other than the 4 exams in one day..? :P |
| 18:38.12 | Erroneous | just seems like a lot of rejoining :) |
| 18:38.55 | CBG | Well, I accidently hit +W, tried to rejoin but then my client kinda froze, so I restarted. :P |
| 18:39.05 | Erroneous | ah |
| 18:39.07 | QuantumBeep | YOu should switch to Windows. |
| 18:39.21 | CBG | My OS is not the problem. |
| 18:39.35 | CBG | My client is, and I love it dearly despite it's little hiccups... |
| 18:39.36 | ts | Heh, I use to accidently +q the wrong apps |
| 18:39.44 | scott | haha windows |
| 18:39.53 | CBG | ts: I do that too very occasionally. :o |
| 18:40.01 | ts | with irssi people don't see it any more but my terminal is gone ;) |
| 18:40.37 | Tedius | Oh I missed the peter discussion, Jeff has a good measure of Peter |
| 18:40.47 | Tedius | not malicious, just immature |
| 18:40.59 | JeffM | he is malicious |
| 18:41.13 | JeffM | he took actions over a span of time that was soley meant to disrupt |
| 18:41.19 | ts | Tedius: Are you new to the BZFlag community? I don't remember you. |
| 18:41.21 | JeffM | but that was due to his imature reactions. |
| 18:41.55 | Tedius | ts, yeah, been here for a half year or so |
| 18:41.55 | thefirstdude | blue is color 4, right? |
| 18:42.02 | eTangenT | thefirstdude: 3. |
| 18:42.04 | thefirstdude | hey Tedius |
| 18:42.06 | thefirstdude | thanks |
| 18:42.06 | eTangenT | I think |
| 18:42.15 | CBG | Is rogue 0 or 1? |
| 18:42.17 | thefirstdude | 0 |
| 18:42.19 | ts | Tedius: Eeek, blind me o.O |
| 18:42.26 | CBG | then blue is 3 |
| 18:42.31 | Erroneous | ts: pretty easy to answer your own question there too... http://my.bzflag.org/bb/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=19560 |
| 18:42.42 | CBG | rogue, red, green, blue, purple, observer. |
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| 18:42.45 | eTangenT | lawl Erroneous |
| 18:42.55 | Tedius | ooh, ooh, stop looking at me |
| 18:43.02 | ts | Erroneous: Heh, I meant here, not at bzbb |
| 18:43.02 | CBG | oooooh!! |
| 18:43.25 | Erroneous | ts: "the bzflag community" implies a BIT more than just here, dontcha think? :) |
| 18:43.58 | ts | Erroneous: I'm a meanie, don't destroy my excuse :p |
| 18:44.11 | Tedius | I heard there is a game that has something to do with bzflag |
| 18:44.20 | Erroneous | and if you were interested in just here, /ns info Tedius would have told you he's been registered 10 weeks :) |
| 18:44.27 | JeffM | ts, a meanie, no your not. something else.. yes ;) |
| 18:46.14 | thefirstdude | what numbers are green and red? |
| 18:46.21 | thefirstdude | sry, I dno't wanna open bzflag |
| 18:46.31 | CBG | it goes: rogue, red, green, blue, purple, observer. |
| 18:46.31 | JeffM | wiki dosn't have it? |
| 18:46.37 | thefirstdude | thanks |
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| 18:48.33 | GrandHustla | greeting! |
| 18:49.01 | GrandHustla | finally, irc works. |
| 18:49.04 | CBG | hi. |
| 18:49.32 | blast007 | hello |
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| 18:54.48 | thefirstdude | I should have done this a million years ago, but can I change my password? |
| 18:54.54 | thefirstdude | nvm, I'll go check |
| 18:55.04 | TheRedBaron | thats the spirit |
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| 19:21.56 | diing_for_the_te | hmm could someone please tell me what exactly a wtf account is? |
| 19:22.14 | Winny | its for problem people |
| 19:22.25 | Winny | (spammers, other offenses) |
| 19:24.42 | diing_for_the_te | so they call it a wtf account? I don't know but is'nt saying wtf on the forums an offence itself |
| 19:25.05 | Winny | not that I know of |
| 19:25.34 | Winny | actually, this is what your "WTF" rank means: "In danger of account suspension" |
| 19:26.01 | eTangenT | diing_for_the_te: IIRC, WTF stands for "Watermelon Tastes Funky", often used during a picnic when someone left the food out too long. |
| 19:26.06 | eTangenT | :D |
| 19:26.43 | Winny | indeed, eTangenT |
| 19:27.55 | diing_for_the_te | but what does the wtf stand for exactly? |
| 19:28.28 | diing_for_the_te | and dont say watermelons taste funky |
| 19:28.39 | Winny | why do you want to know? |
| 19:29.00 | Winny | won't effect your rank at all |
| 19:29.00 | donny_baker | wtf = watch the flunky he's about to be suspended... but WTFHATBS was to long |
| 19:29.04 | diing_for_the_te | because it's wtf for crying out loud |
| 19:30.30 | thefirstdude | diing_for_the_te, I fixed the bases |
| 19:30.45 | diing_for_the_te | granny no joking around i want to know the real meaning |
| 19:31.01 | Winny | granny? |
| 19:31.28 | davemicc | google it |
| 19:31.35 | diing_for_the_te | oh sorry its an inside joke between me and donny |
| 19:31.51 | thefirstdude | well that's funny |
| 19:32.03 | diing_for_the_te | who would i google wtf what exactly do u expect to come up |
| 19:32.07 | thefirstdude | it stands for well that's funny |
| 19:32.32 | Winny | wonderfully tasty foods |
| 19:32.33 | thefirstdude | http://www.answers.com/topic/wtf-abbreviation |
| 19:32.52 | thefirstdude | womens trampoline force |
| 19:33.28 | L4m3r | wet trouser farts |
| 19:33.28 | thefirstdude | world trade forever |
| 19:33.28 | diing_for_the_te | women's topless force |
| 19:33.49 | thefirstdude | anyway, do you know what it stands for now? |
| 19:33.55 | donny_baker | diing_for_the_te: i was being serious :p |
| 19:34.58 | thefirstdude | it says here it stands for what a true friend |
| 19:35.06 | thefirstdude | probably what they meant |
| 19:35.14 | davemicc | where's the fire? http://technorati.com/wtf/ |
| 19:35.18 | diing_for_the_te | lol |
| 19:35.22 | Tedius | umm, anyone else getting this at bzflag.org/bb: |
| 19:35.23 | Tedius | bad server response” (NSURLErrorDomain:-1011) |
| 19:35.39 | Winny | nope |
| 19:35.39 | davemicc | my.bzflag.org? |
| 19:35.42 | Winny | your special :) |
| 19:35.59 | Tedius | click on a thread |
| 19:36.03 | diing_for_the_te | yes im searching bzbb for it but it keeps coming up with cbg's name |
| 19:36.31 | CBG | ? |
| 19:36.44 | diing_for_the_te | search wtf on the bzbb forums |
| 19:37.12 | diing_for_the_te | your on there like 50 times you realy need to cut back |
| 19:37.22 | CBG | you need to cut back |
| 19:37.28 | CBG | your face is scaring the minors |
| 19:37.45 | diing_for_the_te | ok mister no mean talking pls |
| 19:37.51 | CBG | wtf? |
| 19:38.03 | diing_for_the_te | see lol |
| 19:38.24 | Winny | heh |
| 19:38.59 | diing_for_the_te | you say wtf too much cbg |
| 19:39.11 | Winny | ...you already said that |
| 19:39.31 | diing_for_the_te | hmm so are there any real awnsers to my wtf meaning problem |
| 19:39.33 | CBG | your face is scaring the minors |
| 19:39.49 | diing_for_the_te | deseavoue |
| 19:40.03 | diing_for_the_te | err was it dejuaevue |
| 19:40.17 | diing_for_the_te | how do you spell that word |
| 19:40.24 | diing_for_the_te | god i hate french words |
| 19:40.25 | thefirstdude | diing_for_the_te, you've said enough |
| 19:41.38 | L4m3r | WTF is "Whack the Frenchie" |
| 19:41.47 | scott | heh |
| 19:41.53 | diing_for_the_te | lol are you a mobster |
| 19:42.00 | L4m3r | yes. |
| 19:42.21 | TimRiker | ~wtf wtf |
| 19:42.27 | TimRiker | heh |
| 19:43.01 | diing_for_the_te | tim what does wtf stand for |
| 19:43.08 | TimRiker | ~wtf wtf |
| 19:43.09 | thefirstdude | http://images.bzflag.org/wtf.png |
| 19:43.29 | diing_for_the_te | no a wtf account you idiot |
| 19:43.37 | TimRiker | it's not a nice expression. |
| 19:43.49 | Winny | diing_for_the_te, please don;t call anyone names |
| 19:43.56 | TimRiker | ~wtf rtm |
| 19:44.28 | diing_for_the_te | im conpoosed |
| 19:45.17 | TimRiker | ~dict conpoosed |
| 19:45.20 | davemicc | who? |
| 19:45.26 | TimRiker | ~spell conpoosed |
| 19:45.29 | QuantumBeep | pleased to meet ya, conpoosed |
| 19:45.45 | diing_for_the_te | where is your off switch mister |
| 19:45.48 | conpoosed | no. I'm conpoosed. |
| 19:46.04 | diing_for_the_te | lol |
| 19:46.34 | Winny | I really wish phpBB had an "ignore" option. |
| 19:46.57 | a_temp_dist_ | changenick, you are funny |
| 19:47.01 | changenick | doh was spose to be changednick |
| 19:47.05 | eTangenT | hey changenick, I figured it out! |
| 19:47.27 | eTangenT | wtf = weird tasting funk! |
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| 19:48.09 | diing_for_the_te | wtf=wow that's funky |
| 19:48.49 | Macint | lol |
| 19:48.50 | diing_for_the_te | so what does it realy stand for |
| 19:49.19 | thefirstdude | ~wtf_wtf knows |
| 19:49.30 | davemicc | a plethora of things...apparently |
| 19:49.44 | thefirstdude | pretty much whatever you tihnk it means |
| 19:50.13 | diing_for_the_te | no i mean the meaning on the bzbb |
| 19:50.32 | blast007 | wow, I go to lunch and miss everything |
| 19:50.48 | diing_for_the_te | some admin changed it to that and now i cant post |
| 19:50.58 | a_temp_dist_ | diing is making a nice fool out of himself |
| 19:51.07 | diing_for_the_te | yup as always |
| 19:51.58 | diing_for_the_te | someone on irc obviously has a nick called changenick |
| 19:52.06 | diing_for_the_te | lol |
| 19:52.32 | eTangenT | too bad they didn't finish the job. :-\ |
| 19:52.34 | CBG | ~WTF WTF |
| 19:52.36 | eTangenT | yo blast |
| 19:52.41 | CBG | THAT IS WHAT IT MEANS! |
| 19:52.50 | CBG | ~WTF WTF |
| 19:52.51 | CBG | THAT IS WHAT IT MEANS! |
| 19:52.58 | blast007 | ~lart cbg |
| 19:52.58 | ibot | beats cbg severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken |
| 19:53.10 | eTangenT | ~lart what_does_wtf_me for being a moron. |
| 19:53.10 | ibot | shoots what_does_wtf_me in the head for being a moron. |
| 19:53.10 | L4m3r | inside voices, CBG |
| 19:53.24 | eTangenT | L4m3r: WHAT IS AN INSIDE VOICE? |
| 19:53.28 | what_does_wtf_me | oops to many letters |
| 19:53.30 | eTangenT | :-\ |
| 19:54.08 | CBG | are you retarded? |
| 19:54.09 | Winny | dude, we get it |
| 19:54.14 | eTangenT | why doesn't IRC have a poll ban? |
| 19:54.30 | Winny | cause they hate us :( |
| 19:54.32 | WhatDoesWTFMean | cause ide be so banned by now |
| 19:54.45 | eTangenT | WhatDoesWTFMean: I know. Isn't it great? |
| 19:55.04 | WhatDoesWTFMean | omg how do you do that |
| 19:55.15 | eTangenT | Do what? |
| 19:55.36 | WhatDoesWTFMean | wat and u |
| 19:55.47 | blast007 | eTangenT: type with full words, is what he means |
| 19:55.53 | WhatDoesWTFMean | ibot look those up |
| 19:56.24 | eTangenT | er |
| 19:56.26 | eTangenT | s/flamer/lamer |
| 19:56.30 | Winny | i cn type lik dis 2 lolz itz wut da cul ppl do lzol |
| 19:56.34 | eTangenT | and not L4m3r, either |
| 19:56.36 | Winny | Not. |
| 19:56.41 | blast007 | Winny: please, no, make it stop |
| 19:56.42 | TheRedBaron | hold it everyone! |
| 19:56.44 | WhatDoesWTFMean | flamer=f lamer |
| 19:56.46 | TheRedBaron | I'm out of popcorn |
| 19:56.47 | WhatDoesWTFMean | lol |
| 19:56.51 | eTangenT | Winny: j00 4r3 73h l00z |
| 19:56.56 | Winny | haha, TRB |
| 19:56.58 | blast007 | anyway, what are we trying to discuss? |
| 19:57.00 | Winny | say when |
| 19:57.06 | blast007 | this seems more like it should be at #bzchat |
| 19:57.15 | WhatDoesWTFMean | blast do you know what wtf means |
| 19:57.21 | blast007 | you already know |
| 19:57.25 | a_temp_dist_ | i want a bzc hat |
| 19:57.25 | eTangenT | OH MY GOD |
| 19:57.27 | blast007 | it has been mentioned three times by the bot |
| 19:57.31 | WhatDoesWTFMean | i do? |
| 19:57.34 | TheRedBaron | blast007: summary, diing for the team, would like to know the symolism of "WTF" on bzbb forums |
| 19:57.56 | blast007 | WhatDoesWTFMean: What The F-word |
| 19:57.57 | Winny | ...we've told him |
| 19:58.06 | a_temp_dist_ | and apparently can't read when he's told |
| 19:58.13 | Winny | he just wants to cause trouble |
| 19:58.16 | blast007 | WhatDoesWTFMean: do you get it now? |
| 19:58.17 | WhatDoesWTFMean | no blast the meaning on bzbb |
| 19:58.24 | ts | Stop feeding pls |
| 20:00.13 | WhatDoesWTFMean | a temporal distraction is calling me a stereotype |
| 20:00.51 | CBG | SHUT UP OMG |
| 20:00.52 | Winny | go to #whocares |
| 20:01.22 | WhatDoesWTFMean | so am i ever gunna get a lagitimate awnser |
| 20:01.35 | CBG | YOU DID! |
| 20:01.40 | Winny | x5 |
| 20:01.49 | WhatDoesWTFMean | what is it |
| 20:02.13 | Winny | scroll up and find out |
| 20:02.17 | donny_baker | cbg: an inside voice is one that stays inside (you), but sometimes inside voices slip out... just ask George Bush |
| 20:02.24 | Winny | we aren't here to be your mom and spoon feed you |
| 20:02.25 | thefirstdude | JeffM: the list server tracks how many players there are, there are 218 players now ( some of those are bzadmin bots ). We've had that average for about a year. |
| 20:02.26 | WhatDoesWTFMean | no one ever told me |
| 20:02.34 | thefirstdude | I thought bz was growing |
| 20:02.39 | findlay | ~language #bzflag |
| 20:02.39 | ibot | ACTION grabs #bzflag by the ear and washes #bzflag's mouth out with soap |
| 20:03.12 | donny_baker | thefirstdude: nope, been pretty steady |
| 20:03.23 | *** join/#bzflag namelesss (n=nameless@ip-8.net-81-220-244.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 20:03.27 | namelesss | bonjour |
| 20:03.38 | TheRedBaron | hola |
| 20:03.46 | thefirstdude | we need to tell our friends and family, spread the good new of bzflag!!! |
| 20:03.49 | findlay | ~babelfish bonjour |
| 20:03.51 | thefirstdude | news |
| 20:03.53 | CBG | WE TOLD YOU AT LEAST 3 TIMES |
| 20:03.57 | CBG | SCROLL UP AND READ |
| 20:04.01 | WhatDoesWTFMean | wat is an erroneous nickname |
| 20:04.02 | findlay | ~babelfish fr en bonjour |
| 20:04.05 | namelesss | can i have some information about the implementation of the game ? |
| 20:04.09 | thefirstdude | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.09 | findlay | ibot: hi |
| 20:04.10 | ibot | hello, findlay |
| 20:04.10 | CBG | www.google.com |
| 20:04.17 | TheRedBaron | namelesss: such as? |
| 20:04.35 | WhatDoesWTFMean | #bzflag |
| 20:05.03 | namelesss | well, i want to develop a game bomberman like, but i don't know what i should implemente, client/server where server control all, or peer/peer quicker with little connection but allow cheating |
| 20:05.20 | namelesss | what is used for bzflag ? |
| 20:05.22 | thefirstdude | bzflag allows alittle cheating |
| 20:05.32 | TheRedBaron | indirectly, and not by design |
| 20:05.34 | WhatDoesWTFMean | lol more like alot |
| 20:05.40 | TheRedBaron | correct |
| 20:05.53 | namelesss | it is a client/server ? |
| 20:05.54 | TheRedBaron | nameless: if you want cheating, then just have the server act as a relay |
| 20:05.56 | namelesss | or peer/peer ? |
| 20:06.01 | TheRedBaron | namelesss: client server |
| 20:06.03 | thefirstdude | client/server/server list |
| 20:06.07 | findlay | bzflag wouldn't be the best to pattern your game after, at least historically |
| 20:06.08 | TheRedBaron | but server is little more than a relay |
| 20:06.10 | namelesss | so the server control all the information ? |
| 20:06.13 | TheRedBaron | no |
| 20:06.15 | thefirstdude | is also has a global server list, and global identity |
| 20:06.17 | Winny | WhatDoesWTFMean, you can fix that if you want |
| 20:06.21 | Winny | ~pw |
| 20:06.21 | ibot | methinks patches welcome is a common response by maintainers of Open Source products. It's roughly means "We don't have much time on our hands, so if you write that feature and send it to us we will likely roll it in. If you don't have the time to write it, we don't either. Stop asking for it." |
| 20:06.27 | TheRedBaron | server merely relays information, from clients |
| 20:06.33 | TheRedBaron | gamestate is client controlled |
| 20:06.41 | TheRedBaron | hence allowing alot of cheating |
| 20:06.53 | WhatDoesWTFMean | ya |
| 20:06.55 | namelesss | hum... |
| 20:07.00 | thefirstdude | server detects afew cheats now |
| 20:07.03 | thefirstdude | like too fast |
| 20:07.09 | thefirstdude | outside of playing area |
| 20:07.18 | namelesss | if a tank put a bomb, who control that ? |
| 20:07.28 | TheRedBaron | nameless: we really don't have bombs |
| 20:07.36 | thefirstdude | the tank tells server when he kills someone, IIRC |
| 20:07.38 | namelesss | the atomic bomb |
| 20:07.41 | thefirstdude | ? |
| 20:07.43 | namelesss | as a semi cylinder |
| 20:07.51 | namelesss | semi-sphere |
| 20:07.57 | namelesss | i don't remember the name |
| 20:08.01 | JeffM | thefirstdude, yeah, so |
| 20:08.02 | thefirstdude | wtf are you talking about? |
| 20:08.11 | eTangenT | namelesss: Shockwave? |
| 20:08.15 | namelesss | yes ! |
| 20:08.17 | thefirstdude | JeffM, he want's to know, so I told him |
| 20:08.18 | WhatDoesWTFMean | hey jeff what does my wtf mean |
| 20:08.30 | JeffM | huh? |
| 20:08.40 | eTangenT | OH MY GOD |
| 20:08.43 | JeffM | thefirstdude, I was refering to the thing you said to me |
| 20:08.51 | WhatDoesWTFMean | i have a wtf account what does it mean |
| 20:08.52 | JeffM | WhatDoesWTFMean, this isn't the place for it. |
| 20:09.02 | JeffM | what is your account name? |
| 20:09.06 | CBG | WhatDoesWTFMean: We. Told. You. Many. Times. |
| 20:09.11 | CBG | Scroll. Up. And. Read. |
| 20:09.14 | thefirstdude | about the steady community? |
| 20:09.16 | namelesss | so the shockwave for example, it is the server or the client who send information to other client ? |
| 20:09.16 | WhatDoesWTFMean | diing for the team |
| 20:09.20 | JeffM | you know why |
| 20:09.22 | JeffM | don't go there |
| 20:09.26 | WhatDoesWTFMean | i do? |
| 20:09.35 | JeffM | your in danger of suspension as you've been told |
| 20:09.36 | TheRedBaron | namelesss: client sends to server, server relays/broadcasts to other clients |
| 20:09.43 | namelesss | ok |
| 20:09.48 | WhatDoesWTFMean | no what does the wtf stand for |
| 20:09.53 | namelesss | that's how i want to implement |
| 20:09.54 | JeffM | figure it out |
| 20:09.55 | thefirstdude | you already know |
| 20:10.00 | CBG | WhatDoesWTFMean: We. Told. You. Many. Times. |
| 20:10.02 | CBG | Scroll. Up. And. Read. |
| 20:10.17 | thefirstdude | nameless, if it's not open source you probably won't have to worry about cheating |
| 20:10.25 | WhatDoesWTFMean | im trying to no one is giving a serious awnser |
| 20:10.28 | thefirstdude | on the other hand, if it is opensource... |
| 20:10.28 | JeffM | if you keep asking that, and messing with these people, the "in danger" part will be removed |
| 20:10.29 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v Erroneous] by ChanServ |
| 20:10.31 | namelesss | i want to make an open source game sure |
| 20:10.41 | davemicc | not true...America's Army has cheating problems |
| 20:10.42 | CBG | WhatDoesWTFMean: do you know what "scroll up" means? Yes or No? |
| 20:10.43 | JeffM | WhatDoesWTFMean, it is a rank we sent trouble makers to, that is all you need to know |
| 20:10.54 | thefirstdude | I said probably |
| 20:10.55 | JeffM | CBG, he's just messing with you don't fall in to it |
| 20:10.58 | JeffM | I'll take care of it. |
| 20:10.58 | davemicc | they have a whole system called "Punkbuster" to counter it |
| 20:11.02 | Winny | JeffM, told him that about 1000 lines ago :p |
| 20:11.06 | TheRedBaron | davemicc: what game doesn't have cheating? |
| 20:11.06 | JeffM | I know |
| 20:11.06 | WhatDoesWTFMean | so what does it stand for tho |
| 20:11.15 | JeffM | we'll take this private |
| 20:11.23 | TheRedBaron | JeffM: i tried that |
| 20:11.29 | namelesss | is there a scheme to see the implementation of bzflag ? |
| 20:11.32 | TheRedBaron | he doesn't respond |
| 20:11.36 | Erroneous | WhatDoesWTFMean: if you ask that again, you will be ejected from this channel, kthx |
| 20:11.42 | JeffM | then he'll be removed form this channel |
| 20:11.45 | thefirstdude | he's not registered, can't respond |
| 20:11.45 | JeffM | if he does it again |
| 20:11.57 | TheRedBaron | thefirstdude: trying setting unfiltered on |
| 20:12.06 | davemicc | TheRedBaron: I was responding to thefirstdude |
| 20:12.16 | Winny | no, freenode blocked unreged prv messages |
| 20:12.25 | JeffM | then he can reg |
| 20:12.27 | TheRedBaron | he can read me, I can read him |
| 20:12.30 | TheRedBaron | he set me 1 pm |
| 20:12.36 | JeffM | TheRedBaron, don't worrry about it |
| 20:12.37 | thefirstdude | TheRedBaron, unflitered? |
| 20:12.43 | WhatDoesWTFMean | its my rank i think i do need to know |
| 20:12.44 | TheRedBaron | 16:04:34) TheRedBaron: i guess you can't read this |
| 20:12.44 | TheRedBaron | (16:07:43) WhatDoesWTFMean: i can |
| 20:12.45 | JeffM | it is not something we should waste time on it |
| 20:12.53 | JeffM | WhatDoesWTFMean, register and respond to my PM |
| 20:12.53 | TheRedBaron | thefirstdude: /msg nickserv help |
| 20:12.57 | JeffM | or you WILL be removed. |
| 20:13.14 | thefirstdude | WhatDoesWTFMean, it means you are in trouble, close to suspension |
| 20:13.25 | JeffM | thefirstdude, we'll take care of this |
| 20:13.31 | WhatDoesWTFMean | where do i register at |
| 20:14.01 | Winny | ...here |
| 20:14.03 | TheRedBaron | JeffM: np, just tried to get it out of here |
| 20:14.04 | Winny | in IRC |
| 20:14.23 | WhatDoesWTFMean | what site do i go to tho |
| 20:14.32 | JeffM | you don't |
| 20:14.36 | JeffM | respond to my PM |
| 20:14.39 | JeffM | I am unifiltered |
| 20:15.44 | TheRedBaron | davemicc: my point was, open source or not - every game has cheating |
| 20:16.26 | namelesss | thefirstdude, true, it's just more difficult when it is not open source |
| 20:16.38 | namelesss | because edit an asm code is less clear than a cpp file |
| 20:16.50 | davemicc | TheRedBaron: yeah....that was my point too, actually |
| 20:17.20 | davemicc | America's Army isn't open source |
| 20:17.34 | brlcad | far from it |
| 20:17.49 | TheRedBaron | brlcad plays AA? |
| 20:17.56 | davemicc | he does? |
| 20:17.59 | brlcad | no, I just know some of the devs |
| 20:17.59 | davemicc | what? |
| 20:18.13 | TheRedBaron | brlcad: can you ask them nicely to make a mac port? :) |
| 20:18.17 | brlcad | they use the unreal engine |
| 20:18.27 | brlcad | TheRedBaron: they're all about the $$ |
| 20:18.44 | thefirstdude | brlcad, they make money? |
| 20:18.49 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:18.53 | davemicc | it's supposed to be a recruiting tool or something...it's freeware |
| 20:18.56 | TheRedBaron | brlcad: its our tax dollars, why are they worried about $$? |
| 20:19.11 | brlcad | everything in gov't is a business of some sort -- even if it's all internally |
| 20:19.19 | TheRedBaron | oh |
| 20:19.24 | TheRedBaron | so mac people don't join the army? :) |
| 20:19.30 | thefirstdude | lol |
| 20:19.42 | TheRedBaron | or they don't want MAC people to join the army? |
| 20:19.46 | Winny | join the steve jobs army |
| 20:19.54 | brlcad | no, the folks paying AA's bills just don't care to pay for a mac port |
| 20:19.56 | Winny | :p |
| 20:20.07 | brlcad | and there's no research interests pressing a mac port for the fringe uses of AA |
| 20:20.30 | a_temp_dist_ | TRB, s/MAC/Mac/ |
| 20:20.34 | WhatDoesWTFMean | omg they did mean it to be what the fuck and they use it on the forums haha the admins on the forums obviously rnt brain surgeons |
| 20:20.46 | brlcad | they don't just get a massive budget and get to decide "oh, let's just make a game" .. they answer to lots of heads |
| 20:20.49 | a_temp_dist_ | bannination |
| 20:20.50 | Winny | but they can type |
| 20:21.01 | a_temp_dist_ | wee! |
| 20:21.07 | Winny | yay! the name I like better! |
| 20:21.09 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 20:21.11 | CBG | WhatDoesWTFMean: HAHA. AND IT TOOK YOU 3 FREAKING WEEKS TO SCROLL UP AND READ WHAT WE SAID. |
| 20:21.15 | WhatDoesWTFMean | they couldnt find a better acronym obviously |
| 20:21.18 | brlcad | WhatDoesWTFMean: watch you language in this channel please |
| 20:21.24 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b *!i=47fdd980@gateway/web/cgi-irc/zeebrothers.net/x-386b0068e1c41ffe] by JeffM2501 |
| 20:21.28 | JeffM2501 | cbg don't |
| 20:21.28 | CBG | they used a percect acronym |
| 20:21.31 | TheRedBaron | ouch |
| 20:21.33 | CBG | too late. |
| 20:21.37 | *** kick/#bzflag [WhatDoesWTFMean!n=JeffM@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501] by JeffM2501 (JeffM2501) |
| 20:21.43 | a_temp_dist_ | ty |
| 20:21.45 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: thats an entire CGI:IRC |
| 20:21.47 | SpazzyMcGee | wahey |
| 20:21.49 | JeffM2501 | yeah I don't care |
| 20:21.56 | JeffM2501 | it's rarely used for good |
| 20:21.58 | brad | trb, it's just his ip |
| 20:22.00 | JeffM2501 | we can refine it in a bit |
| 20:22.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's his mask |
| 20:22.09 | blast007 | and no, it's not an sntire CGI:IRC |
| 20:22.12 | Chestal | can we autoban on 'omg' please? |
| 20:22.18 | TheRedBaron | ah, I see that now |
| 20:22.22 | SpazzyMcGee | You could have written a trilogy of novels and a full-length screenplay with that fiasco. |
| 20:22.22 | blast007 | you'll want to change that anyway jeff |
| 20:22.31 | blast007 | the last part of that is randomly generated per connect |
| 20:22.37 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o blast007] by JeffM2501 |
| 20:22.42 | JeffM2501 | feel free to fix it :) |
| 20:22.43 | TheRedBaron | ah |
| 20:22.43 | blast007 | heh |
| 20:22.47 | JeffM2501 | anyone got an IP for him? |
| 20:22.54 | Winny | one sec |
| 20:22.55 | TheRedBaron | Well, I use CGI:IRC for workplaces that like to block IRC |
| 20:22.56 | *** join/#bzflag diing_for_the_te (i=47fdd980@gateway/web/cgi-irc/zeebrothers.net/x-3d7f61fd7c47ea39) |
| 20:23.00 | Winny | oh boy... |
| 20:23.01 | brad | 71.253.217.128 |
| 20:23.04 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b *!i=47fdd980@*.net/x-3d7f61fd7c47ea39] by JeffM2501 |
| 20:23.04 | *** kick/#bzflag [diing_for_the_te!n=JeffM@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501] by JeffM2501 (JeffM2501) |
| 20:23.10 | Winny | I just dropped my pop |
| 20:23.11 | Winny | brb |
| 20:23.16 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b *!i=47fdd980@*] by blast007 |
| 20:23.23 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 20:23.27 | *** mode/#bzflag [-b *!i=47fdd980@*.net/x-3d7f61fd7c47ea39] by blast007 |
| 20:23.36 | *** mode/#bzflag [-b *!i=47fdd980@gateway/web/cgi-irc/zeebrothers.net/x-386b0068e1c41ffe] by blast007 |
| 20:23.46 | thefirstdude | he joined my server awhile ago...could look at the logs for ip? |
| 20:24.01 | JeffM2501 | he a static? |
| 20:24.06 | Tedius | the last I have is from 6-12 |
| 20:24.06 | thefirstdude | donno |
| 20:24.09 | SpazzyMcGee | there's the epilogue. |
| 20:24.10 | Tedius | 151.199.133.190 |
| 20:25.16 | brlcad | Chestal: omg, that would be awesome |
| 20:25.24 | Winny | hehe |
| 20:25.43 | thefirstdude | norang knows if it's static... |
| 20:26.25 | JeffM2501 | dosn't sound static |
| 20:26.33 | donny_baker | ill check |
| 20:26.46 | *** join/#bzflag AWOSLappy (n=user@unaffiliated/awosdev) |
| 20:27.00 | brad | nah it isn't static |
| 20:27.19 | donny_baker | nope verizon dsl |
| 20:28.09 | JeffM2501 | I have a feeling he IS chicken fingers |
| 20:28.38 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: diing has been around a bit longer than chicken fingers |
| 20:28.53 | JeffM2501 | or he just stared using THAT name recently |
| 20:28.59 | TheRedBaron | chicken fingers is a new registrant |
| 20:29.01 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 20:29.03 | Winny | sp? |
| 20:29.04 | thefirstdude | here's his norang history http://inferno.servegame.org/playerinfo.html |
| 20:29.07 | donny_baker | ip ranges dont match |
| 20:29.10 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 20:29.27 | JeffM2501 | all I said I have a feeling ;) |
| 20:29.29 | blast007 | chicken is coming from a wireless ISP |
| 20:29.30 | JeffM2501 | dosn't mean it's right |
| 20:29.31 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: you think all muchkines are the same :) |
| 20:29.36 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:29.38 | TheRedBaron | can't fault you though |
| 20:29.40 | JeffM2501 | just in the way they post |
| 20:29.41 | TheRedBaron | they all act the same |
| 20:29.41 | Winny | last time my IP changed it went from a 60 to a 90 |
| 20:29.49 | donny_baker | just saying.. he is going through a lot of trouble, and I dont get the impression (ever) that he is that smart |
| 20:30.04 | JeffM2501 | they don't do it to look smart |
| 20:30.06 | JeffM2501 | they do it to get "even" |
| 20:30.23 | AWOSLappy | my IP changed from 24 to 76 |
| 20:30.46 | davemicc | I have roadrunner, and my IP seems to never change |
| 20:31.02 | AWOSLappy | well my ISP got bought |
| 20:31.05 | AWOSLappy | the IP was destined to change |
| 20:31.15 | AWOSLappy | but no, I've had the same IP for at least three months |
| 20:31.22 | AWOSLappy | through restarts and even power failures |
| 20:31.29 | TheRedBaron | Is static maps a decision akin to movable turrets, and maps that enable you to drive up slopes? |
| 20:31.36 | JeffM2501 | AWOSLappy, that common for some cables |
| 20:31.38 | TheRedBaron | irreversible? |
| 20:31.51 | JeffM2501 | they give you an IP per modem mac addy via DHCP |
| 20:32.20 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: Right, so I don't need dyndns :D |
| 20:32.21 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, nothing is irreversible, but yes, |
| 20:32.38 | JeffM2501 | AWOSLappy, the ISP may change that policy at any time and not tell you |
| 20:32.49 | thefirstdude | JeffM2501, did you ban him from bzflag as well? |
| 20:33.08 | JeffM2501 | thefirstdude, he is not on a staic IP so we wont' masterban |
| 20:33.15 | JeffM2501 | but he will not be provided global login services anymore |
| 20:33.17 | thefirstdude | alright |
| 20:33.17 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: Right. And I can always get it later. But I just mean right now. |
| 20:33.26 | JeffM2501 | AWOSLappy, probalby not |
| 20:33.35 | AWOSLappy | ? |
| 20:33.44 | AWOSLappy | probably not what? |
| 20:33.45 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, if a lot of network stuff got cleaned up, it could probalby be put in and be acceptable. |
| 20:34.00 | AWOSLappy | I can't get dyndns later? |
| 20:34.07 | JeffM2501 | AWOSLappy, that you'd need a dynamic DNS, tho may as well use em cus they are cheap and easy |
| 20:34.24 | AWOSLappy | right. |
| 20:34.26 | AWOSLappy | :D |
| 20:34.27 | JeffM2501 | thefirstdude, why do you care so much about him? |
| 20:34.42 | thefirstdude | I'm just curious how strict you are coming accross |
| 20:34.49 | JeffM2501 | then ask that |
| 20:34.58 | JeffM2501 | but realy that's between us and him |
| 20:36.24 | JeffM2501 | global services arn't a democracy :) |
| 20:36.50 | AWOSLappy | tannerld: are you the person I met that has a bot that gets METAR data from NOAA? |
| 20:37.14 | tannerld | AWOSLappy: nope, although that sounds interesting |
| 20:37.25 | AWOSLappy | dang. |
| 20:37.35 | AWOSLappy | I can't remember who it was and he gave me a link to download the data |
| 20:37.56 | AWOSLappy | and his nick started with a 't' I thought and I thought for sure it was you tannerld |
| 20:38.06 | tannerld | heh |
| 20:38.13 | tannerld | NOAA weather data? |
| 20:38.23 | AWOSLappy | yes |
| 20:38.33 | AWOSLappy | I was getting it through FTP but he had an HTTP link |
| 20:38.35 | AWOSLappy | which I now need |
| 20:38.45 | AWOSLappy | because I'm sick of interfacing with FTP |
| 20:39.11 | *** join/#bzflag TD-Linux (n=TD-Linux@about/essy/indecisive/TD-Linux) |
| 20:51.46 | *** join/#bzflag tupone (n=atupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone) |
| 20:51.46 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v tupone] by ChanServ |
| 21:21.48 | a_temp_dist_ | lots of cheaters and bots on pythonian's server - axl rose, etc |
| 21:22.02 | eTangenT | axl rose is a cheater, too? |
| 21:22.08 | eTangenT | I just thought he was a general lamer |
| 21:22.11 | eTangenT | ie. language |
| 21:22.17 | a_temp_dist_ | i believe so |
| 21:23.02 | *** join/#bzflag MagnusMastah (n=MagnusMa@c-67-181-232-80.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 21:23.05 | JeffM2501 | chicken fingers just got his last warning on the boards |
| 21:23.06 | Winny | oh well, its pythonian :p |
| 21:23.15 | MagnusMastah | Hey, can anyone help me with this problem I have? |
| 21:23.26 | JeffM2501 | depeends on the problem |
| 21:23.28 | a_temp_dist_ | ask |
| 21:23.36 | MagnusMastah | Whenever I go into the game I can do everything fine |
| 21:23.39 | MagnusMastah | until i fire |
| 21:23.44 | Winny | UDP |
| 21:23.48 | MagnusMastah | then it says UPD not enabled and it kicks me out |
| 21:23.49 | Winny | ;) |
| 21:23.50 | MagnusMastah | er yeah |
| 21:23.52 | MagnusMastah | -_- |
| 21:23.56 | Winny | ziiing! |
| 21:23.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah open up UDP on your firewall |
| 21:24.28 | *** join/#bzflag delusional (n=delusion@pool-141-158-102-40.pitt.east.verizon.net) |
| 21:24.28 | MagnusMastah | hang on a second, Im checking it.. |
| 21:24.36 | JeffM2501 | bzflag wants both UDP and TCP to play |
| 21:24.44 | JeffM2501 | and someting is blocking it |
| 21:24.49 | JeffM2501 | the client will aways try to send it |
| 21:24.57 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: both TCP and UDP? |
| 21:25.00 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 21:25.06 | JeffM2501 | TCP for the stuff that has to get there |
| 21:25.14 | MagnusMastah | I have McAfee SecurityCenter |
| 21:25.14 | JeffM2501 | UDP for the stuff that isn't important |
| 21:25.14 | AWOSLappy | and udp for the shots that don't? |
| 21:25.19 | AWOSLappy | lol |
| 21:25.22 | MagnusMastah | i'm trying to find a section marked UDP |
| 21:25.32 | JeffM2501 | IIRC the UDP on shoting is the position update that goes WITH the shot |
| 21:25.36 | AWOSLappy | so when you fire, it sends it through UDP, which is not guaranteed |
| 21:25.38 | JeffM2501 | the shot is TCP IIRC |
| 21:25.43 | AWOSLappy | JeffM2501: Ahhh okay. |
| 21:26.17 | MagnusMastah | dammit! i cant find it |
| 21:26.21 | MagnusMastah | what section would UDP be under? |
| 21:26.40 | JeffM2501 | don't know |
| 21:26.44 | JeffM2501 | it's your software not ours |
| 21:26.48 | MagnusMastah | T___________________T |
| 21:26.55 | MagnusMastah | lol, it just came with the stupid laptop |
| 21:26.56 | JeffM2501 | we are not experts in security software |
| 21:27.02 | MagnusMastah | argh |
| 21:27.05 | AWOSLappy | MagnusMastah: Call the laptop manufacturer? |
| 21:27.06 | JeffM2501 | you may want to read the docs |
| 21:27.14 | JeffM2501 | or the help for the software |
| 21:27.19 | JeffM2501 | if not contact there suport system |
| 21:27.20 | MagnusMastah | did they install with the game? |
| 21:27.29 | catay | MagnusMastah: uninstall it ;) |
| 21:27.34 | AWOSLappy | MagnusMastah: the docs for the McAfee |
| 21:27.35 | JeffM2501 | no that is not our software |
| 21:27.36 | MagnusMastah | o_o |
| 21:27.40 | AWOSLappy | the docs for bzflag will not help |
| 21:27.41 | JeffM2501 | the problem is not the game |
| 21:27.45 | JeffM2501 | the problem is your computer |
| 21:27.47 | MagnusMastah | oh yeah, lol |
| 21:27.47 | JeffM2501 | and it's firewall |
| 21:27.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah.. lol |
| 21:27.54 | MagnusMastah | gawd, I just need to find it |
| 21:28.03 | JeffM2501 | that's your deal, not ours |
| 21:28.04 | AWOSLappy | Start->All Programs->McAfee->Help? |
| 21:28.23 | JeffM2501 | AWOSLappy, we don't provide support for other aplications here |
| 21:28.27 | MagnusMastah | the shortcut is the only link in that section |
| 21:28.35 | MagnusMastah | shortcut to the program, that is |
| 21:28.36 | JeffM2501 | if you wish to help him then please do it in a /msg |
| 21:32.14 | *** part/#bzflag MagnusMastah (n=MagnusMa@c-67-181-232-80.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 21:33.15 | KTL | lots of rain |
| 21:44.06 | Winny | JeffM2501, at your newest "this forum" post, you have a stray [url] tag |
| 21:44.12 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 21:44.26 | Winny | and it looks like we both just about posted the same thing :o |
| 21:44.39 | JeffM2501 | I'd rather your helpfull links be put into "helpfull links" in each fourm |
| 21:44.45 | JeffM2501 | no, I read yours, and made it more offical |
| 21:44.51 | Winny | oh |
| 21:45.23 | JeffM2501 | yours was filled with too many opinions that do not accurately reflect the posted rules |
| 21:45.28 | JeffM2501 | but the idea is sound |
| 21:46.03 | JeffM2501 | if you make a helpufull links thread I'll sticky it |
| 21:46.27 | Winny | k |
| 21:46.35 | Winny | general discussion? |
| 21:46.58 | JeffM2501 | I could go for one in general yeah |
| 21:47.05 | JeffM2501 | or the individual subs |
| 21:47.08 | JeffM2501 | up to you |
| 21:47.18 | Winny | hmm.. |
| 21:47.21 | JeffM2501 | just try to keep it factual |
| 21:47.24 | JeffM2501 | not funny |
| 21:47.24 | Erroneous | one is probably better |
| 21:47.29 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 21:47.42 | JeffM2501 | one in general that links to the other places would be a good thing |
| 21:53.08 | *** part/#bzflag a_temp_dist_ (n=temporal@about/essy/alarming/a-temp-dist) |
| 21:56.52 | SpazzyMcGee | Is there a .obj file for the tank model hanging around? |
| 21:56.56 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 21:57.05 | JeffM2501 | we no, I'd have to upload it |
| 21:57.18 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, you want a beer in a tank object over the weekend? |
| 21:57.24 | JeffM2501 | the tank is non manifold, it'd leak |
| 21:57.39 | Erroneous | over a long weekend even |
| 21:57.41 | brlcad | yay, @jeff |
| 21:57.53 | SpazzyMcGee | oh. |
| 21:57.53 | TheRedBaron | A long beer weekend. hmmm |
| 21:57.54 | brlcad | is this a revival or a disturbance in the force |
| 21:57.56 | brlcad | aww |
| 21:58.06 | *** mode/#bzflag [-o JeffM] by JeffM |
| 21:58.20 | Erroneous | it's like deja vu, all over again |
| 21:58.29 | JeffM | I forgot to remove it |
| 21:58.35 | brlcad | *sniff* |
| 21:58.36 | JeffM | had to go play starwars :) |
| 21:59.14 | Winny | JeffM, submitted |
| 21:59.14 | TheRedBaron | hrm, while it may not be the time for a long weekend, still can be time for beer. 6pm, I'm off the clock, and I'm out |
| 21:59.29 | JeffM | Winny, k, one sec, let me upload the tank obj |
| 21:59.47 | Winny | ill add about 10 more in a few min, bbl |
| 21:59.57 | *** join/#bzflag a_meteorite (n=a_meteor@unaffiliated/ameteorite/x-000000001) |
| 22:00.56 | JeffM | SpazzyMcGee, http://my.bzflag.org/resources/models/ |
| 22:01.11 | SpazzyMcGee | Ah, cheers. |
| 22:01.20 | SpazzyMcGee | Ah, wait - forbidden |
| 22:01.41 | JeffM | try Tank.obj after that |
| 22:01.46 | JeffM | probably dosn't do dir listings |
| 22:02.12 | CBG | that'll be the official bz tank? |
| 22:02.14 | SpazzyMcGee | Ah, that does the trick, thanks. |
| 22:02.38 | JeffM | yeah |
| 22:02.44 | JeffM | the older one |
| 22:02.44 | a_meteorite | JeffM: screenshot? |
| 22:02.48 | JeffM | dosn't have round treads |
| 22:02.51 | JeffM | a_meteorite, run the game |
| 22:02.51 | a_meteorite | oh, older tank |
| 22:02.58 | CBG | original with the non-fancy treads? :D |
| 22:03.00 | a_meteorite | I thought it was a new tank :) |
| 22:03.04 | JeffM | the new tank is the old tank with round wheels |
| 22:03.08 | JeffM | that's all |
| 22:03.12 | JeffM | it's the same old one |
| 22:03.12 | CBG | yeah. I never liked the new treads |
| 22:03.33 | JeffM | I just put it on my.b.o cus OC pooped and it wasn't hosted anywhere anymore |
| 22:03.45 | a_meteorite | ~seen nn |
| 22:03.47 | ibot | nn <i=nn@74.94.43.193> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 22d 23h 36m 53s ago, saying: 'um i need to stup a dhclinet and ipmasq for a static ip system can any point me in the correct dirrection'. |
| 22:03.55 | SpazzyMcGee | zomg, it imported into wings without a hitch - that's a first. |
| 22:04.13 | JeffM | the importer in wings sucks that bad? |
| 22:04.39 | SpazzyMcGee | Either that, or all the .obj files i try and import suck. |
| 22:04.45 | JeffM | where do you get them? |
| 22:04.54 | CBG | suckysite.com :P |
| 22:05.00 | SpazzyMcGee | Probably the latter actually - I just find 'em around. |
| 22:05.18 | JeffM | OBJ can hold a lot of data that some editors don't like |
| 22:05.24 | JeffM | surfaces and the like |
| 22:05.39 | JeffM | the tank obj is about as basic of an obj as you can get |
| 22:05.47 | JeffM | nothing fancy just UVed tris |
| 22:06.22 | SpazzyMcGee | yeah. |
| 22:07.34 | davemicc | what does that stand for? :-P |
| 22:07.44 | CBG | OMGZ WHAT IS PNG? |
| 22:07.56 | SpazzyMcGee | I'm gonna mount it on some horrible pike, and have it shoot a worldweapon. |
| 22:08.00 | davemicc | portable network graphic? |
| 22:08.27 | SpazzyMcGee | PNG! |
| 22:08.37 | Erroneous | ~lart SpazzyMcGee |
| 22:08.37 | ibot | stuffs SpazzyMcGee into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it |
| 22:08.47 | SpazzyMcGee | argh. |
| 22:09.00 | CBG | PNG? |
| 22:09.06 | Erroneous | gah |
| 22:09.40 | JeffM | Persona Non Grata |
| 22:10.10 | JeffM | dude, just take PNG out of your highlight ;) |
| 22:10.52 | awilcox | 17:07 * Erroneous might :) |
| 22:10.55 | awilcox | bah |
| 22:10.57 | awilcox | stupid thing |
| 22:10.59 | KTL | png is for pingu! |
| 22:10.59 | Erroneous | grr |
| 22:11.04 | awilcox | >_< |
| 22:11.11 | Erroneous | won't help me with the people who randomly paste my name into the channel :P |
| 22:11.13 | awilcox | Erroneous: sorry about the extraneous ping |
| 22:11.39 | awilcox | well I can't see the nicks that do actions (stupid xterm+screen+irssi conflict) so I paste them into the "say" box |
| 22:11.51 | awilcox | I just happened to select an \r\n this time |
| 22:11.53 | JeffM | only when they try to type err |
| 22:12.02 | CBG | PNG makes you highlight? |
| 22:12.02 | JeffM | and use , or something stupid for auto complete :) |
| 22:12.10 | Erroneous | ~lart CBG |
| 22:12.10 | ibot | chops CBG in half with a free AOL CD |
| 22:12.11 | CBG | Why would you make PNG alert you? :/ |
| 22:12.19 | JeffM | cus he did the code for the png reader |
| 22:12.19 | CBG | What's special about PNG? |
| 22:12.20 | awilcox | portable network graphics! |
| 22:12.25 | awilcox | :P |
| 22:12.28 | KTL | pingu pingu! |
| 22:12.35 | awilcox | KTL: the game?! |
| 22:12.47 | KTL | a girl on another irc server:) |
| 22:12.55 | awilcox | KTL: Ah. there's a game called Pingus. |
| 22:13.05 | Erroneous | CBG: bzflag reads png textures. it used to be rather broken, and I made it compliant. I wanted to make sure I caught every time someone said "this png doesn't work with bzflag" |
| 22:13.15 | KTL | I think I played it... mass killing :) |
| 22:13.16 | awilcox | hey ya know what |
| 22:13.24 | awilcox | now whenever I need parp help |
| 22:13.30 | awilcox | I just need to paste a screenshot.png |
| 22:13.33 | CBG | Erroneous: heh, truth be told, I was just annoying you. :P But I'll stop now. |
| 22:13.40 | CBG | No more talk of PNG from me. :D |
| 22:13.41 | Erroneous | awilcox: I ignore .png :) |
| 22:13.47 | awilcox | Erroneous: Bah. PNG. |
| 22:14.28 | KTL | djee i had to read and write png for my raytracer, finding a understandable c++ lib was a pain |
| 22:14.42 | awilcox | KTL: libpng? |
| 22:14.56 | KTL | I didn't understand a thing from libpng! |
| 22:15.03 | awilcox | man libpng? |
| 22:15.04 | KTL | ever used it? |
| 22:15.06 | awilcox | no |
| 22:15.09 | Erroneous | KTL: PNGImageFile in MediaFile might do the trick for you (for reading anyway) |
| 22:15.17 | KTL | i used pngwriter lib |
| 22:15.20 | awilcox | I normally let System.Picture handle it |
| 22:15.21 | Erroneous | screenshot code has basic writing (no options whatsoever) |
| 22:15.22 | JeffM | libpng is "odd" |
| 22:15.47 | JeffM | devIL is a good wraper around it and other image libs |
| 22:15.53 | KTL | Erroneous, what is MediaFile? |
| 22:15.56 | awilcox | or mono |
| 22:15.58 | JeffM | part of bzflag |
| 22:16.04 | awilcox | Mono = the ultimate wrapper |
| 22:16.08 | JeffM | the thing that reads media files I mages and sounds ) |
| 22:16.17 | Erroneous | awilcox: in all honesty, the PNG spec is *really* easy to deal with...probably easier than libpng :) |
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| 22:16.27 | awilcox | Erroneous: it is? |
| 22:16.39 | awilcox | is it as easy as bitmap? |
| 22:16.47 | Erroneous | um, no |
| 22:16.56 | awilcox | then I'll stick with bitmaps :P |
| 22:17.01 | Erroneous | bitmaps suck |
| 22:17.08 | JeffM | no compression |
| 22:17.10 | JeffM | no alpha |
| 22:17.12 | JeffM | backwards |
| 22:17.16 | Erroneous | upside-down |
| 22:17.21 | Erroneous | RBG |
| 22:17.23 | JeffM | not just upside down |
| 22:17.26 | JeffM | that's totaly backwards |
| 22:17.35 | JeffM | if you reverse the data, its RGB and right side up :) |
| 22:17.50 | awilcox | so it's 2,359,296bytes for a 1024x768 |
| 22:18.00 | JeffM | waste of ram |
| 22:18.09 | awilcox | not when you're writing a framebuffer |
| 22:18.13 | JeffM | s3 compress it and send it to the card ;) |
| 22:18.14 | awilcox | remember I'm an OS developer |
| 22:18.24 | JeffM | CARD |
| 22:18.24 | awilcox | bitmaps = requirement |
| 22:18.26 | JeffM | card |
| 22:18.29 | JeffM | card good |
| 22:18.33 | awilcox | JeffM: Lol. |
| 22:18.40 | KTL | hehe |
| 22:18.41 | JeffM | card is your friend |
| 22:18.48 | JeffM | card loves you |
| 22:18.50 | awilcox | :D |
| 22:19.15 | awilcox | s3 compress? |
| 22:19.29 | awilcox | meaning that S3 Trio64V+ I have is useful for something?! |
| 22:19.43 | Erroneous | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S3TC |
| 22:19.44 | JeffM | it's called like dds now |
| 22:19.46 | awilcox | all I use that card for anymores is desktop stuffs |
| 22:19.46 | JeffM | yeaht hat |
| 22:19.56 | KTL | ah lol ImageFile is from bz :) ok :0 |
| 22:19.57 | awilcox | oh teh noes |
| 22:20.02 | awilcox | Web |
| 22:20.17 | JeffM | why waste cycles :) use it for all modes |
| 22:20.38 | JeffM | well waste card ram |
| 22:20.47 | JeffM | the card has to display it anyway |
| 22:20.49 | Erroneous | KTL: see channel name? yeah... :P |
| 22:21.29 | JeffM | lightfeather now suports dds loading to openGL :) |
| 22:21.31 | JeffM | even the 3d textures |
| 22:22.00 | awilcox | ll convert a 4x4 block of pixels to a 64-bit or 128-bit quantity, resulting in compression ratios of 8:1 or 4:1 with 32-bit RGBA input data. S3TC is a lossy compression algorithm, resulting in image quality degradation, but for realistic images, the compressed images are more than adequate. Hand-drawn cartoon-like images do not compress well, nor does normal map data, both of which usually results in visible artifacts. |
| 22:22.11 | awilcox | ^ HRM. SOUNDS...INTERESTING. |
| 22:22.14 | awilcox | bAH. |
| 22:22.17 | awilcox | Stupid caps lock. |
| 22:22.23 | awilcox | ^ hrm. sounds...interesting. |
| 22:22.27 | JeffM | it is |
| 22:22.40 | JeffM | for large texture uses it can help a lot |
| 22:22.46 | JeffM | bz dosn't use much now |
| 22:22.56 | JeffM | but if it did lightmaps and the like, it could benifit from it |
| 22:26.29 | brlcad | torque? |
| 22:26.31 | brlcad | as in the engine? |
| 22:26.34 | JeffM | indeed |
| 22:26.45 | JeffM | with 1.5 they released a structure editor |
| 22:26.48 | JeffM | for free |
| 22:26.49 | brlcad | ahh, right |
| 22:27.01 | brlcad | didn't they have some big stipuation? |
| 22:27.05 | JeffM | for the engine |
| 22:27.14 | brlcad | i mean for that editor |
| 22:27.18 | JeffM | dunno |
| 22:27.21 | JeffM | just downloaded it |
| 22:27.28 | brlcad | or it had some big limitation, one or the other |
| 22:27.30 | JeffM | you have to register |
| 22:27.40 | awilcox | wait. |
| 22:27.42 | JeffM | you efectivly buy it for free |
| 22:27.50 | awilcox | you can modify the tank engine's torque? |
| 22:27.53 | brlcad | awilcox: no, you wait :) |
| 22:27.59 | JeffM | looks like it'll dump as lightwave |
| 22:28.04 | JeffM | that could go to obj |
| 22:28.09 | JeffM | but it does CSG |
| 22:28.12 | JeffM | with prims ;) |
| 22:28.19 | brlcad | :) |
| 22:28.40 | JeffM | you get no source for it |
| 22:28.42 | JeffM | it's just bins |
| 22:28.47 | JeffM | win and osx |
| 22:29.01 | JeffM | what idea? |
| 22:29.08 | brlcad | i dunno, but it involved csg |
| 22:29.11 | brlcad | so i'm all for it ;) |
| 22:29.21 | JeffM | it's a bsp maper basicly |
| 22:29.21 | Erroneous | heh |
| 22:30.05 | JeffM | http://www.pastebin.ca/567278 |
| 22:30.07 | JeffM | that's the restrictions |
| 22:30.19 | JeffM | all looks like you can't derive from the editor |
| 22:30.27 | AWOSLappy | Pastebin for restrictions...not a good sign... |
| 22:30.36 | JeffM | it's a license |
| 22:30.42 | JeffM | and it's more then one line, so yes pastebin |
| 22:30.51 | JeffM | dosn't say anything about the content it makes |
| 22:31.04 | JeffM | be the same as using any closed source modeler to make a map |
| 22:31.53 | AWOSLappy | looks like it |
| 22:32.10 | JeffM | it'd not be simple to use tho, since you'd have to go thru lightwave |
| 22:32.15 | AWOSLappy | What is this for again? Making maps? |
| 22:32.19 | AWOSLappy | Or a new tank? |
| 22:32.28 | JeffM | nether |
| 22:32.35 | JeffM | it's a CSG editor |
| 22:32.43 | JeffM | I wondered if it could be used for bz maps |
| 22:32.48 | JeffM | that is all |
| 22:32.57 | AWOSLappy | Constructive solid geometry? |
| 22:33.06 | JeffM | it's intent is structure and model layout for torque structures |
| 22:33.07 | JeffM | yes |
| 22:33.48 | JeffM | need to take a look at TGE 1.5 too |
| 22:33.54 | JeffM | since I'm on 1.44 |
| 22:37.04 | SpazzyMcGee | Does louman use lightwave? |
| 22:37.11 | JeffM | I belive he does |
| 22:37.12 | Winny | indeed |
| 22:37.17 | JeffM | with some tools he developed |
| 22:37.38 | SpazzyMcGee | ooo... fancy. |
| 22:38.17 | SpazzyMcGee | Anywho, time to sleep |
| 22:38.22 | Winny | hf |
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| 22:44.00 | WinnyCuttingLawn | woot, avg posts has finally dropped to below 3.5 :p |
| 22:49.39 | CBG | Watch what you're doing, WinnyCuttingLawn! |
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| 23:11.26 | a_meteorite | hmmm... having problems for a server that was authing just fine, now it's not |
| 23:11.41 | a_meteorite | ugh, it's working now |
| 23:11.42 | a_meteorite | weird |
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| 23:49.23 | jude- | hello all. sorry I'm late |
| 23:49.30 | blast007 | hi jude- |
| 23:50.21 | blast007 | did it respawn? |
| 23:50.29 | jude- | I wish :) |
| 23:50.34 | TD-Linux | your car must hate running errands as much as you do |
| 23:50.49 | jude- | I don't *hate* them, per se... |
| 23:50.56 | jude- | the car does, though |
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| 23:51.40 | jude- | well, the car's fuel pump |
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| 23:53.28 | jude- | lol |
| 23:53.33 | jude- | better choice |
| 23:53.54 | jude- | *;) |
| 23:53.56 | brlcad | :) |
| 23:54.20 | jude- | meh, it's not like I have to anywhere to code |
| 23:54.31 | jude- | *to go anywhere |
| 23:55.23 | thefirstdude | diing for the team paid my server a visit... |
| 23:55.57 | thefirstdude | says he's 'leaving bz' |
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| 23:56.55 | jude- | ~diing |
| 23:56.55 | ibot | diing is probably sort of like skiing, except less fun and you don't come back. |
| 23:57.08 | davemicc | lol |
| 23:57.48 | JeffM | thefirstdude, I don't think we really care. he can do what he wants. it's his life |
| 23:58.01 | donny_baker | is there a full moon tonight? they crazies are out on the forums today ;) |
| 23:58.22 | JeffM | more schools are geting out |
