IRC log for #bzflag on 20070526

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00:09.58eTangenTwait
00:10.08eTangenTJeff, why is your forum account different?
00:10.21JeffM?
00:10.32eTangenTyou're missing your digits, too :o
00:12.10Winny2501 exploded
00:12.23JeffMno
00:12.57eTangenT~lart Winny
00:12.57ibotsends a legion of lawyers after Winny's head
00:13.01eTangenToof
00:13.02eTangenTouch
00:13.06eTangenTthat looks painful, Winny
00:13.39Winnynaaa
00:14.13eTangenTdarn.
00:14.19eTangenT~bzfrag Winny
00:14.33ibotACTION makes Winny feel the effects of a shockwave
00:14.38Winnysmeh
00:14.49eTangenTBetcha didn't have your SH ready, did you?
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00:16.01WinnyOh, I did
00:16.55Erroneous~bzfrag eTangenT
00:16.56ibotACTION skewers eTangenT with a super bullet
00:17.11JeffMI just changed my name that is all
00:17.56JeffMI just changed my name that is all
00:18.09JeffMoops :)
00:18.24donny_bakeroh, there was a little more than that to it ;)
00:18.43JeffMnot as far as the name goes :)
00:18.50JeffMthe name change happend after the other stuff
00:20.06SpazzyMcGeeis '2501' just an arbitrary number?
00:20.14Erroneousnothing is arbitrary
00:20.15JeffMnope
00:20.39SpazzyMcGeebirthdate?
00:21.01SpazzyMcGeehouse number?
00:21.08JeffMno
00:21.13ErroneousMMDD would be a very odd format for an american to write a date in :)
00:21.17Winnyisn't it the name of a project or something?
00:21.17Erroneouserr DDMM
00:21.42Erroneousbbbbut Epyon IS taken :P
00:21.51SpazzyMcGeeI suppose, I'm english, i think that way,
00:22.01EpyonErroneous :P
00:22.06EpyonNow it is :P
00:22.07SpazzyMcGeeSo, what's the attraction of 2501?
00:22.13JeffMit had meaning
00:22.35JeffMif I have to use a number in my name, I try to use that number
00:23.00AAA_awrightWhich the kidnapper of JeffM2501 saw no meaning in, and dropped it when taking over his identity
00:23.00KTL2 fives or 1 ?
00:23.18SpazzyMcGeehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2501 ?
00:23.25EpyonJeffM, I have it easier -- if all else fails, I can always use my own name as a nick/login -- never fails even in Poland :P
00:23.38JeffMsomone is smart :)
00:23.46KTLaha the puppet master :)
00:24.26EpyonYay, another abine freak ^_^
00:24.31SpazzyMcGeeheh
00:25.02Epyonanime*
00:26.01KTLand where does the newborn go from here?  ... the net is vast and infinite
00:26.24Winnynot infinite
00:26.26Winny:)
00:27.00KTLthe series?
00:27.04JeffMindeed
00:27.27SpazzyMcGeeWinny == pedant.
00:27.36Winnyeh?
00:27.47Winny~dict pedant
00:28.18SpazzyMcGeepedant |?pednt| noun: a person who is excessively concerned with minor details and rules or with displaying academic learning.
00:29.20WinnyI see
00:29.34SpazzyMcGeewinny: are you on your macbook?
00:29.56Winnyit is next to me, but IRC is on the PC
00:30.27Winnywhyy?
00:30.58SpazzyMcGeeoh, well. Neat trick on OS X: Cmd-Ctrl-D brings up a little pop-up dictionary on a highlighted word.
00:32.19Winnycool, thanks
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00:40.51KTLz*
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01:03.01KTLz*
01:03.10Winny...
01:03.54KTLmy mouse is broken, my numlock is now my mouse, first thing to do tomorrow is getting a new mouse
01:04.29Winnyhehe
01:04.39Winnyyou surley have another mouse?
01:05.03KTLi also consider buying a whole nest of cheap backup mouses
01:05.12KTLno i don't have another, they die so easy
01:45.48Constitutionanyone interested in some old-time fun on overlord (shadowcat)?
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03:34.22Noodlemanmmmmmm, smithwick's
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03:41.42Noodlemanwegstar: wanna beeeeer?
03:42.15wegstarnah.. I wanna soda...
03:42.35Noodlemannot even irish beeeeer?
03:42.44wegstarnope :)
03:42.56Noodlemanok, you're missing out then
03:42.59Noodlemanyour loss
03:43.01Noodleman:-)
03:43.04wegstar:P
03:43.21Noodlemanyou aren't under 21 are you?
03:43.29Noodlemanwasn't trying to corrupt minors now :-P
03:43.50wegstarheh.. of course not :)
03:54.03PumpernickelHey, look... free beer!
03:57.42NoodlemanPumpernickel: ha, i've already drank it
03:58.00Noodlemannot really, there's still almost a whole 6-pack left
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04:44.39jude-hello all
04:45.20SportChickhey jude-
04:46.59SportChickdon't you DARE
04:47.09SportChick~lart jude-
04:47.09ibotteaches jude- the basics, including how to RTM
04:47.58jude-suffice to say it was good :)
04:51.13AAA_awright~jude-
04:51.28AAA_awright...
04:51.33AAA_awright~karma jude-
04:51.33ibotjude- has karma of 13
04:51.37AAA_awrighthm.
04:51.42AAA_awright~karma AAA_awright
04:51.42ibotaaa_awright has neutral karma
04:51.46AAA_awright:p
04:51.59jude-wait--how did I get 13 karma?  Last I checked, I only got two points
04:52.16AAA_awrightoh!
04:52.42aaa_awright--~aaa_awright--
04:52.52aaa_awright--~aaa_awright----
04:53.12aaa_awright--Aww. Ibot isn't as stupid now
04:53.20jude-lol
04:53.41jude-did it decrement karma points with that nick?
04:53.44AAA_awrightNo
04:53.51AAA_awrightit needs four '-'
04:53.59jude-I mean, before?
04:54.00AAA_awrighttwo for my nick, two for the deincrment
04:54.16jude-i.e. "Ibot isn't as stupid now"?
04:54.46AAA_awrightIbot isn't very smart sometimes
04:54.50AAA_awrighti.e.
04:54.53AAA_awright~shoot ibot
04:54.55ibotACTION shoots ibot in the head with a quantum singularity weapon!
04:55.06jude-funny
04:55.06AAA_awrightsuicide. Nuf said.
04:55.31jude-and grammatically incorredt
04:55.40jude-s/incorredt/incorrect
04:55.53AAA_awright~lart ibot
04:55.53ibotplops aaa_awright into a giant vat of herring
04:55.59AAA_awrightSometimes it isn't
04:56.08jude-lol
04:56.08AAA_awrightMmm.... herring
04:56.44jude-do you have to cut down the largest tree in the forest with them?
04:57.30AAA_awrightHerring, the favorite food of Tux the penguin, I thought?
04:57.47jude-aww--no one got the Mony Python reference
04:57.54jude-s/Mony/Monty
04:57.57AAA_awrightWhich one?
04:58.20jude-"we demand...ANOTHER SHRUBBERY!  And then, you must cut down the largest tree in the forest...WITH THIS HERRING!!"
04:59.01jude-(Knights of Nee)
04:59.57jude-(Monty Python and the Holy Grail)
05:00.29jude-okay, so I can't make jokes
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05:06.00jude-and yes, herring is the favorite food of Tux the penguin
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13:29.38Benfishwhat does this mean/why do i get it when i try to start a bz server?:) http://www.benfish.fishyhost.com/hmmm.txt
13:29.56Benfishconfig maps/whatever all in the right folders
13:30.55bradthat appears to be wget and not bzfs ;)
13:31.03braddo ./bzfs -v
13:31.26bradthat is really odd...
13:31.49Benfishit wasnt doing it yesterday...
13:31.53Benfishi'll try that :)
13:33.05Benfishok.. i did ./bzfs -v   and its doing the same
13:33.51bradis "bzfs" a script or the bzflag server binary?
13:34.56Benfishits the one from http://my.bzflag.org/w/Download    GNU/Linux installer (i586)
13:35.11Benfishi would have no idea what to do with a binary/source :)
13:35.29Benfishthat same download worked fine yesterday (and yes, i have tried re-downloading)
13:37.11bradhmm
13:38.07bradwhat distro are you using?
13:38.19Benfishnow when i use the ./bzfs -conf config.conf     command i get http://www.benfish.fishyhost.com/hmmm.JPG at the end of the pile of file download stuff
13:38.45Benfishcentos
13:39.11Benfishor.. centos 4.5 if you need that bit
13:40.32Benfishi just dont understand why its doing that today, when it worked fine yesterday
13:40.55braddid you not change anything?
13:41.07Benfishnope..
13:41.12bradmaybe someone else did?
13:41.17Benfishand im the only one who can
13:41.34Benfishdoubt my vps provider would do anything :)
13:42.41brad:S
13:43.28Benfishi guess chmod permission things: 755 is right?
13:43.41bradthat should be fine
13:46.06Benfishive tried to start the bz server as root and as the account owner, same outcome for both
13:48.00Benfishdo you recognise any of the.. *stuff* its trying to wget? or is that just random.. *stuff*? o.O
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13:48.58bradit seems to be oblisk stuff..
13:50.16Benfishguess it would help quite a bit if i knew what i was doing (completely)
13:50.48Benfishbut it worked yesterday, do i must have been doing it right then
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14:27.30Benfishbut i did nothing different today... and changed nothing overnight (since i was sleeping :P)
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14:52.57Benfishso confusing :(
14:56.48donny_bakercan you post your config file minus the -password to pastebin... and what you get as output
14:57.14donny_bakerits a shot in the dark, but maybe..
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14:57.43Benfishits pretty much the same config file as on the wiki
14:58.00Benfishjust with changes (such as password) and #'s taken out
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15:26.01Winny~lart lag
15:26.01ibotputs on a hockey mask and jumps out at lag
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17:32.17*** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9453 || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || http://fisheye1.cenqua.com/browse/bzflag/bzflag || New WIKI! http://my.bzflag.org/w/ || Migrated from CVS to SVN: http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN || GSoC 4 slots: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code#Program_Evaluation
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17:49.55Benfish;o
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18:04.25DavemanHello bizflog :P
18:22.54SportChickyay
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19:22.28JeffMspecualr highlights are fun :)
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21:08.29BenfishBZFS needs "mesa"?
21:11.21KTLif you get other opengl apps working then also bzflag
21:12.09KTLpackages with glx in the name are interesting to get
21:12.15KTL3d acceleration working
21:12.33KTLin my debian a command called glxinfo tells me if it is there or not
21:13.26JeffMyes the server needs GL
21:13.27JeffMthe collision code includes it
21:13.55KTL... is that necessary? that makes removing gl more difficult
21:14.12JeffMir'a just the way it was done
21:14.21Benfishany idea why the server would have worked yesterday, but today it asks for loads of... "libraries"?
21:14.22JeffMno gl calls are mde
21:14.29DTRemenakthat should not be true right now
21:14.37DTRemenakunless you added something pretty recently
21:14.46JeffMBenfish, you probably upgraded part of your OS, and didn't rebuld/upgrade BZ
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21:15.16Benfishi have re-downloaded+uploaded from the site
21:16.30JeffMdid you build from source? or use a package?
21:16.32KTLusing a tool made for it? i don't know the centos package manager
21:17.13Benfishi downloaded it from the site (not the source) so the package i.. think
21:17.30JeffMwhat "the site"?
21:17.56Benfishthe download page on the bz wiki :)
21:17.57Benfishhttp://my.bzflag.org/w/Download
21:18.13KTLit is healthier for your system to use the package manager it has ... then you just select "i want this and this" and the program downloads everything automatically from the online repositories for your distribution
21:18.29JeffMand what file did you download?
21:19.02Benfishthe paragraph starting with GNU/Linux installer (i586)  under 2.0.8 stable
21:19.24JeffMthat isn't ours
21:19.37JeffMwhat linux distro do you use?
21:19.54Benfishcentos
21:21.01JeffMdo they have a bzflag package?
21:21.01KTLit is redhat based (wikipedia told me)
21:21.01catayprobably not, it's an Redhat entreprise 'clone'
21:21.01JeffMthen no they don't
21:21.01catay*enterprise
21:21.01JeffMBenfish, it's best for you to probably build from the sources
21:21.13JeffMether that or you'll have to contact the author of that "installer"
21:21.21KTLis the difference that drastic between the enterprise version and the normal ?
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21:21.53SportChickbrlcad: you around?
21:21.56Benfishok, i'll try building from the sources :)
21:22.04Benfishthanks
21:22.10JeffMyou will need to install a number of development packages
21:22.16JeffMSDL, glx, etc..
21:22.24JeffMthere is a readme in the source that should help you
21:23.09KTLthe 3d acceleration wont be necessary for just the server i hope
21:23.32donny_bakerBenfish: you'll want the 2.0.x branch... details here http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN
21:23.32AAA_awrightno
21:24.41JeffMno gl calls are made by the server
21:24.47JeffMit just included the headers
21:24.49catayKTL: not really, you only have to pay for it :)
21:24.51JeffMso it needs the sources
21:25.07KTLthen why does it include the headers?
21:25.19KTLif it does not use them
21:25.20JeffMbecause the same code is used on the client
21:25.24JeffMand that calls GL
21:25.29JeffMthe obstacle manager
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21:25.38JeffMthe use of it in the server dosn't draw
21:25.43JeffMthe use in the client does.
21:25.45KTLcan a bit of preprocessor code not avoid that?
21:25.48JeffMyes
21:25.52JeffMlots of things CAN be done
21:25.56JeffMbut they simply HAVE NOT
21:26.31JeffMit's not that way cus of any need,it 's just that way cus that's how it was done
21:26.37JeffMand noone has gone in to change it
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21:57.40Benfishhehe... i built from the sources and now can't find the bzfs file
22:00.20a_meteoriteBenfish: src/bzfs/bzfs
22:00.34a_meteoriteif you make install, and didn't set a prefix with configure, it's at /usr/local/bin/bzfs
22:01.09Benfishthanks :)
22:05.10Benfishok, i have uploaded the config file (basicly the one from the wiki, modified) and it says: bad argument "-vetoTime"
22:05.51a_meteoritethat's not an argument :)
22:06.00Benfishsurely thats right, if it was in the copyable version in the wiki? hmm
22:06.17a_meteoritesomeone who had no idea probably put that there, or that's for 2.1
22:06.28Benfishso put a # infront, and try again?
22:06.42a_meteoritechecking mine
22:08.54Benfish<PROTECTED>
22:08.54Benfish# This specifies the number of seconds in which a poll can be vetoed.
22:08.54Benfish-vetoTime 60
22:08.59Benfishis what it says in my config
22:10.49Benfishhttp://my.bzflag.org/w/Sample_conf is where i got it from :) (i have edited the bits i need to edit)
22:14.17donny_bakeri don't think you really need -vetoTime, i don't beleive we have it and I veto polls quite regularly
22:14.48Benfishso comment it out and see if it works?
22:15.43donny_bakeryes... we use VETO in the group permission file
22:16.01Benfishnow it says bad argument "-votePercentage"
22:16.17brlcadvetoTime is a valid option
22:16.30brlcadas is votePercentage
22:16.39brlcadmaybe it's trying to tell you something...
22:16.58brlcadjust not very clearly apparently
22:18.47Benfishok, so why is it saying valid options are invalid? (because i have no idea ;) )
22:19.27donny_bakerbrlcad: would starting it with -ddd help give some clues?
22:20.21brlcaddonny_baker: depends on which one he messed up :)
22:20.33brlcadBenfish: look at the lines preceeding -vetoTime
22:20.50brlcadthere's probably a mistake somewhat near it, before it
22:20.57brlcadsomething missing
22:21.38donny_bakerBenfish: a good way to see is comment out everything except what is absolutely neccessary
22:21.55Benfishif there is, there must be an error here http://my.bzflag.org/w/Sample_conf   because everything near that is exactly the same
22:21.58donny_bakerand the enable them one at a time as the server starts correctly
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22:22.37donny_bakercould be wrong... it is editable by everyone, so an error may have been introduced
22:22.38brlcadBenfish: i said probably near it, not necessarily.. it's just preceeding it "somewhere" -- it could even be on the invocation line
22:23.27brlcadand you had to edit that sample regardless -- more than likely, there will be your mistake
22:24.08brlcadcould be there is something wrong in the sample, but it's the same process for finding it
22:27.35brlcadsample worked for me, after commenting out the -a option
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22:41.44eTangenThmmm
22:41.53eTangenTI never listened to Rammstein before
22:41.56eTangenTthis is really cool stuff
22:44.16PumpernickelYou understand the lyrics?
22:44.34eTangenTNot at all.
22:44.37eTangenTI speak English and Spanish.
22:44.40eTangenTNot German.
22:44.53eTangenTThe music's cool though. Makes me wanna blow something up (in BZFlag, that is)
22:45.23Pumpernickel^^
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22:58.41Tech_Supporthi all
22:58.46donny_bakerhola
22:59.25Tech_Supporti just got DSL on this really old Thinkpad and i'm happy
23:00.25Tech_Supporti have to go
23:00.27Tech_Supportbye all
23:02.22Winny....come again soon?
23:02.38ruskieerm
23:02.44ruskiewhat was that all about
23:06.58KTLrammm...stein!
23:07.43Winnychee....se!
23:09.53KTLthe band is named to this event: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Etar_280888.jpg , with lots of casualties in the public
23:11.19catayI've seen them live a couple of years ago :)
23:11.29cataythey have a very impressive show
23:11.40KTLlots of fire
23:11.40catayKTL: at Werchter :)
23:11.50catayyeah
23:11.51KTLaha well i was looking through the fence ...
23:12.13KTLthey were singing "AMERIKAAA"
23:13.43catayI've seen them in 2002 .. time goes by so fast
23:14.22KTLok then i was not around
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23:27.50JonathanDcould my gun firing randomly somehow be caused by an odd/laggy connection?
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23:32.53ruskieJonathanD, what do you mean randomly?
23:36.19CBGWhen he doesn't press a fire button, I'd guess.
23:36.29JonathanDmy gun fires when my hand isn't even on the mouse.
23:36.42KTLmaybe the mouse itself is a bit crazy
23:36.44JonathanDthis only happens in BZ, and only happens when I am on my wireless
23:37.06KTLi had a mouse once that reported mouseclicks when it was on for too long
23:37.24JonathanDI play other mouse-triggered games, no issue on those.
23:39.36JonathanDwheee, I just got a tk cause of this :p
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23:47.04a_meteorite~bz20svn
23:47.22ibotsomebody said bz20svn was http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/ bzflag
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