| 00:03.07 | a_meteorite | err, serious Makefile problems in 2.0 SVN.. |
| 00:03.37 | a_meteorite | for some reason it doesn't generate any Makefile.in's and breaks during configure |
| 00:04.25 | a_meteorite | brlcad: you're the makefile expert, right? :) |
| 00:05.02 | AAA_awright | when he isn't /away |
| 00:05.10 | a_meteorite | aw |
| 00:05.23 | JeffM2501 | you ran the autogen? |
| 00:05.25 | JeffM2501 | did it error? |
| 00:05.47 | a_meteorite | autogen went fine, no errors |
| 00:06.03 | JeffM2501 | and what error did configure give you? |
| 00:06.20 | a_meteorite | pastebin'ing |
| 00:06.50 | a_meteorite | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/478084 |
| 00:07.24 | JeffM2501 | run autogen with verbose |
| 00:07.38 | a_meteorite | k |
| 00:07.49 | JeffM2501 | you've built before, what changed? |
| 00:07.56 | a_meteorite | new server |
| 00:08.01 | Winny | my crap bucket |
| 00:08.05 | Winny | err, server |
| 00:08.16 | a_meteorite | debian 4.0 |
| 00:08.17 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 00:08.37 | JeffM2501 | make sure it has all the latest autotools and stuff |
| 00:09.48 | a_meteorite | ooh, interesting, I didn't see THIS error |
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| 00:10.16 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/478089 |
| 00:10.34 | a_meteorite | "Warning: autoreconf failed" |
| 00:10.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:10.46 | JeffM2501 | you have an old autoconf |
| 00:10.48 | JeffM2501 | get the latest |
| 00:10.52 | a_meteorite | ok |
| 00:11.02 | JeffM2501 | or automake |
| 00:11.06 | JeffM2501 | get the latest version of them all |
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| 00:18.40 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: ah, updated to latest automake worked. thanks :) |
| 00:18.47 | JeffM2501 | cooleo |
| 00:18.47 | a_meteorite | for some reason debian installed an old one in the repo... |
| 00:19.01 | JeffM2501 | probably cus it's the "stable" one |
| 00:19.04 | JeffM2501 | debian is wierd |
| 00:19.21 | a_meteorite | yeah, it is sometimes.. |
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| 00:23.45 | AAA_awright | a_meteorite: i have never installed bzflag from a package. |
| 00:23.58 | AAA_awright | Always comppile it yourself if you can... |
| 00:23.59 | a_meteorite | AAA_awright: this wasn't from a package |
| 00:24.05 | a_meteorite | it was from source.. |
| 00:24.09 | AAA_awright | svn? |
| 00:24.14 | a_meteorite | yes |
| 00:24.24 | AAA_awright | and it checked out an old branch? |
| 00:24.28 | a_meteorite | no |
| 00:24.28 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 00:24.33 | JeffM2501 | read all the words :) |
| 00:24.34 | biggeruniverse | no\ |
| 00:24.36 | a_meteorite | debian installed an old automake |
| 00:24.46 | JeffM2501 | the default is like 1.4 on debian |
| 00:24.51 | a_meteorite | yup |
| 00:24.53 | JeffM2501 | they did all the newer ones as difrent packages |
| 00:24.55 | AAA_awright | you lost me on "no" |
| 00:25.04 | biggeruniverse | heh |
| 00:33.16 | biggeruniverse | We're all lost here |
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| 00:36.20 | brlcad | hmmm.. that don't seem right at all |
| 00:36.29 | brlcad | should have detected the bogus version |
| 00:37.14 | brlcad | and didn't even try a manual automake stage (which is why it failed to generate the Makefile.in's) |
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| 00:46.20 | Daveman | Hi brlcad :) |
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| 00:49.46 | brlcad | howdy Daveman |
| 00:50.03 | Daveman | How's everything going? :) |
| 00:52.50 | lodxcol | ~seen TangenT |
| 00:53.31 | ibot | tangent <n=Tangent@connerdata.plus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #intimate, 222d 4h 8m 31s ago, saying: 'Quick.. everybody look at gw280 ... He'd doing stuff'. |
| 00:53.52 | lodxcol | ~seen eTangenT |
| 00:54.19 | ibot | etangent <n=tangent@71-211-200-166.hlrn.qwest.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 15d 10h 25s ago, saying: 'laterz, guys.'. |
| 00:54.19 | a_meteorite | #intimate ... |
| 00:54.20 | biggeruniverse | umm... |
| 00:54.38 | lodxcol | quick met, I know you wanna join that channel |
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| 01:02.51 | Deepa | http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/3960/vistatruthpb2.jpg |
| 01:04.50 | biggeruniverse | interesting |
| 01:05.18 | biggeruniverse | The most recent Windows version I will even run is 2K |
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| 01:31.44 | Constitution | Isn't there a plugin that will kick bots? Botkicker or something? |
| 01:33.07 | Constitution | I'm looking for a way to prevent bots while still allowing admins to use /set. |
| 01:34.22 | Tedius | and you don't trust your admins to not type /set _disableBots 0 ? |
| 01:34.52 | Constitution | I'd prefer it to be enforced. |
| 01:35.25 | Tedius | enforced by the server and not the admins? |
| 01:35.31 | Constitution | Correct. |
| 01:35.32 | Constitution | I will mod bzfs to prevent /unloadplugin, so no problems there. |
| 01:36.57 | Constitution | Tedius: the server will actually be run by people other than me (on my box), but I want to have restrictions, such as no bots. |
| 01:37.44 | Tedius | I guess I don't know why anyone would go through the trouble of writing the plug-in if it is so easily taken care of using other methods |
| 01:37.47 | Tedius | but I don't know for sure |
| 01:38.05 | Constitution | easily taken care of by other methods? none that I know of |
| 01:38.31 | Tedius | I mean the obvious _disableBots variable |
| 01:39.51 | Tedius | you could cron it |
| 01:40.28 | Constitution | I thought about making an automated script sign on with bzadmin, but that's kind of messy |
| 01:40.28 | Tedius | theres a plugin to have a bot regularly log in and run a command, right? |
| 01:40.36 | Tedius | yeah, messy |
| 01:41.05 | Constitution | anyway I believe botkicker exists, but I can't find it on the forums |
| 01:51.32 | AAA_awright | Constitution: it is much easier to disable the 'bot' bit in MsgEnter then it is to lock _disableBots to 1. I would be worried about other things. |
| 01:52.15 | Constitution | hmm okay |
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| 02:03.26 | Tedius | maybe Theme97 knows of a bot-kicker plugin |
| 02:03.33 | Theme97 | err |
| 02:03.38 | Theme97 | i might know of one.. |
| 02:03.47 | a_meteorite | wait for him to say "NO" |
| 02:04.06 | Theme97 | but if you really wanna know... NO |
| 02:04.07 | a_meteorite | wait on it... |
| 02:04.08 | a_meteorite | hold.. |
| 02:04.10 | a_meteorite | there |
| 02:30.34 | JeffM2501 | how do you make a new template in the wiki again? |
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| 03:23.11 | brlcad | Daveman: pretty good |
| 03:23.34 | brlcad | oooh, a_meteorite .. you're not on svn head are you... |
| 03:23.52 | a_meteorite | brlcad: yes I am.. |
| 03:23.54 | brlcad | that's the problem, the autogen.sh on the branch is out of date |
| 03:24.05 | a_meteorite | oh |
| 03:24.14 | a_meteorite | yeah, I was using 2.0 |
| 03:26.02 | a_meteorite | that might explain why plugin makefile.am is sorta borked... but this is also an old cvs (eek!) |
| 03:26.20 | a_meteorite | won't link together my multiple source plugin anymore :\ |
| 03:28.01 | a_meteorite | if I mod makefile.am I get dozens of errors |
| 03:28.20 | a_meteorite | and modding makefile doesn't produce any results (doesn't compile) |
| 03:28.34 | brlcad | if you mod makefile.am, you're supposed to re autogen.sh |
| 03:28.39 | a_meteorite | oh |
| 03:28.49 | brlcad | and then rerun configure |
| 03:31.06 | a_meteorite | that explains why the makefiles were breaking :) |
| 03:35.38 | a_meteorite | brlcad: did that: |
| 03:35.46 | a_meteorite | Making all in Stats |
| 03:35.46 | a_meteorite | Makefile:325: *** empty variable name. Stop. |
| 03:36.01 | a_meteorite | I re-ran ./autogen.sh and ./configure before make'ing |
| 03:36.20 | a_meteorite | this is my home machine too, been compiling on it for 2-3 years fine :\ |
| 03:36.59 | brlcad | well, do you have an empty variable name? |
| 03:37.38 | a_meteorite | line 325 is the second line: |
| 03:37.39 | a_meteorite | -I$(top_srcdir)/include: $(_I__top_srcdir__include_OBJECTS) $(_I__top_srcdir__include_DEPENDENCIES) -I$(top_srcdir)/.dirstamp |
| 03:37.39 | a_meteorite | $(LINK) -rpath $(libdir) $(_I__top_srcdir__include_LDFLAGS) $(_I__top_srcdir__include_OBJECTS) $(_I__top_srcdir__include_LIBADD) $(LIBS) |
| 03:38.06 | a_meteorite | should I pastebin the makefile? |
| 03:38.11 | brlcad | no |
| 03:38.17 | brlcad | makefile is irrelevant |
| 03:38.23 | a_meteorite | oh |
| 03:38.27 | brlcad | if you get an error, then something is wrong in the makefile.am |
| 03:38.58 | a_meteorite | k, I'll pastebin makefile.am.. |
| 03:39.28 | brlcad | the problems are not necessarily obvious, but if make complains about the makefile, that's usually the problem |
| 03:39.37 | a_meteorite | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/478363 |
| 03:41.21 | brlcad | did autogen.sh complete sucessfully? |
| 03:41.28 | a_meteorite | yes |
| 03:41.38 | brlcad | autoreconf or manual? |
| 03:41.58 | a_meteorite | oooh wait |
| 03:42.04 | brlcad | pastebin verbose |
| 03:42.12 | a_meteorite | err, "Warning: autoreconf failed" |
| 03:42.22 | a_meteorite | same error as before but on another computer.. |
| 03:42.30 | brlcad | therein lies the problem |
| 03:42.36 | brlcad | should update to the newer autogen.sh |
| 03:42.41 | brlcad | pull it from head |
| 03:42.52 | a_meteorite | will it work OK in 2.0? |
| 03:43.09 | a_meteorite | or should I just get the SVN 2.0 branch? this is an old cvs :) |
| 03:43.54 | brlcad | it will work okay |
| 03:43.59 | a_meteorite | k |
| 03:44.19 | brlcad | it's project and version agnostic .. should work on any project that uses the gnu build system |
| 03:44.40 | a_meteorite | I see |
| 03:48.12 | a_meteorite | brlcad: got the new one, it failed again.. pasting verbose |
| 03:48.56 | a_meteorite | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/478370 |
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| 04:01.40 | brlcad | a_meteorite: the way it's choking on just your .am, the problem is in there somewhere |
| 04:02.06 | brlcad | i don't see it in the snippet, but there is something wrong in there almost guaranteed |
| 04:02.21 | JeffM2501 | somone is reading scrollback |
| 04:02.59 | brlcad | nah, been helping for quite a while now ;) |
| 04:03.05 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 04:03.10 | blast007 | JeffM2501: don't even have to scroll back, it's still on our screen ;) |
| 04:03.12 | JeffM2501 | he's set as away :( |
| 04:03.17 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 04:04.28 | brlcad | "just do it" |
| 04:04.45 | JeffM2501 | well I need to be very clear about it |
| 04:04.52 | brlcad | unless you need me to do something |
| 04:05.11 | JeffM2501 | we may |
| 04:10.01 | JeffM2501 | all depends if I can find a web monkey :) |
| 04:13.25 | biggeruniverse | keyboard monkey! |
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| 05:37.11 | daniel_jackson | anybody home? lol |
| 05:38.18 | a_meteorite | no lol |
| 05:38.24 | The_Vaxorcist | no, nobody's home |
| 05:38.35 | daniel_jackson | oh ok |
| 05:39.30 | daniel_jackson | no I was trouble shooting why tadd's server is down, I'm one of lodxcol's admin/owner |
| 05:40.10 | daniel_jackson | then I noticed that lodxcol has a subdomain of bzflag.org |
| 05:40.13 | a_meteorite | computers only do as they're told |
| 05:40.19 | a_meteorite | so it's the own stupidity of the person who sets it up |
| 05:40.27 | a_temp_dist | lodxcol said they were having compy problems - "bus error" and "wrong turn" sort of stuff |
| 05:40.29 | a_meteorite | ^ quotable |
| 05:40.35 | daniel_jackson | are you blaming tadd? lol |
| 05:40.41 | a_meteorite | did he set it up? |
| 05:40.43 | a_meteorite | if he did, yeah |
| 05:41.23 | daniel_jackson | well I'm going to try to show him the path to elightenment |
| 05:41.31 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 05:42.27 | daniel_jackson | the server is a mac g5, I think, but tadd know nothing about unix |
| 05:42.29 | a_meteorite | Confucius says: Do not correct other people's wrongs in which your ultimate fate lies. |
| 05:42.36 | a_meteorite | wrong |
| 05:42.37 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 05:42.46 | a_meteorite | mac mini g4, 1gb ram |
| 05:43.16 | a_meteorite | and he does know nothing about unix... or how computers operate... |
| 05:43.21 | a_meteorite | should I stop? |
| 05:43.31 | a_meteorite | cause I could like name a dozen things |
| 05:43.59 | daniel_jackson | well he has two one a g5 in Seattle and the mac mini in floriida |
| 05:44.17 | daniel_jackson | thee one in seattle is in a datacenter |
| 05:44.27 | a_meteorite | well, isn't that dandy? |
| 05:45.20 | daniel_jackson | I can ping the machine that lodxcol's borrowing, but I guess all instances of bzfs crashed |
| 05:45.39 | daniel_jackson | and tadd does run 2.0.9 on them |
| 05:46.11 | daniel_jackson | I've told him that he needs to roll it back |
| 05:46.31 | a_meteorite | 2.0.9's pros outweigh 2.0.8's |
| 05:46.58 | daniel_jackson | I agree, but I'd rather have the stability |
| 05:47.11 | a_meteorite | iirc, he said he went to 2.0.9 for a reason |
| 05:47.22 | daniel_jackson | who tadd? |
| 05:47.27 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 05:47.51 | a_meteorite | bunch of spam attacks a couple weeks ago, 2.0.8 is vulnerable. i think that's why he updated. |
| 05:48.14 | daniel_jackson | well he's got plenty of admin! lol |
| 05:48.21 | a_meteorite | it's the unknown trick |
| 05:48.26 | daniel_jackson | oh ok |
| 05:48.27 | a_meteorite | you can't ban it.. |
| 05:49.15 | daniel_jackson | well I hope theres a 2.0.10 that fixes the stability problem |
| 05:49.32 | a_meteorite | no 2.0.10 will be released |
| 05:49.42 | a_meteorite | the devs have said it over and over |
| 05:49.49 | a_meteorite | next release is 2.2 |
| 05:50.27 | daniel_jackson | well I guess we go with the cron script to to restarts |
| 05:51.17 | Daveman | INDEED, DANIEL JACKSON. |
| 05:51.22 | daniel_jackson | oh I just me a mass bzfs map config loader for unix |
| 05:51.24 | a_meteorite | ... |
| 05:51.33 | a_meteorite | Daveman: reason for the caps? |
| 05:51.37 | a_temp_dist | look at this plugin for restarts http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=7482&highlight=restart+server+empty |
| 05:51.45 | daniel_jackson | emphasis |
| 05:51.56 | a_meteorite | if the server crashes a plugin won't restart it |
| 05:52.10 | a_temp_dist | that's not quite true |
| 05:52.22 | daniel_jackson | no turdy plugin keep it off from bzfs |
| 05:52.38 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 05:52.41 | Daveman | yay for plugins |
| 05:53.04 | a_meteorite | a_temp_dist: it is true. |
| 05:53.06 | daniel_jackson | no I would just rather use the cron to check server status |
| 05:53.17 | a_meteorite | if bzfs goes down with a bus error, everything stops. including events to plugins. |
| 05:53.28 | a_meteorite | or segfault for that matter |
| 05:53.37 | daniel_jackson | yep |
| 05:53.57 | a_meteorite | a cron script isn't even the best solution |
| 05:54.11 | daniel_jackson | I just think he didn't see the 1st part of the conversation |
| 05:54.12 | a_meteorite | use a rotational intended shell script |
| 05:54.33 | daniel_jackson | huh "rotational intended"? |
| 05:54.57 | a_meteorite | rotationally intended.. stuff they use for rotations |
| 05:55.11 | a_meteorite | am I talking too many riddles tonight? I can do better |
| 05:55.19 | daniel_jackson | I'm not spinning the server |
| 05:55.22 | daniel_jackson | nlol |
| 05:55.23 | a_meteorite | ... |
| 05:55.31 | a_meteorite | rotation. think about it |
| 05:55.45 | daniel_jackson | how about incremental script |
| 05:56.13 | daniel_jackson | or interval controlled script |
| 05:56.19 | a_meteorite | seeing 1 added to x every loop is not interesting |
| 05:56.59 | daniel_jackson | well :P some of us like staring at progress bars too! |
| 05:57.09 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 05:57.45 | daniel_jackson | I'm just trying to keep the script simplist |
| 05:57.53 | daniel_jackson | simplistic |
| 05:57.59 | a_meteorite | a script that starts up bzfs IS simplistic |
| 05:58.28 | a_meteorite | make bzfs do -pid, check the pid file on every loop (10 second sleep) to see if the process still exists |
| 05:58.41 | a_meteorite | if it doesn't, fire the bzfs command again |
| 05:58.47 | a_meteorite | if it does, just keep going |
| 05:59.02 | daniel_jackson | no one that may check " ps aux|grep bzfs|grep missilewar" |
| 05:59.06 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14199 10/trunk/bzflag/autogen.sh: |
| 05:59.06 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: update form cad: allow the script to give version info regardless of whether |
| 05:59.07 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: there's a configure.ac around, fix typo that prevented automake from running |
| 05:59.07 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: during manual, and restructure abnormal exit traps (so that subshell backup |
| 05:59.07 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: files are correctly removed) |
| 05:59.23 | a_meteorite | autogen.sh fixes :) |
| 05:59.32 | a_meteorite | daniel_jackson: there is other ways.. |
| 05:59.52 | daniel_jackson | don't burst my bubble! lol |
| 05:59.52 | The_Vaxorcist | you can search the forums too |
| 06:00.10 | daniel_jackson | I'm trying to chanllenge myself |
| 06:00.22 | The_Vaxorcist | couple threads with scripts |
| 06:00.48 | a_meteorite | the forums are an indispensable valuable resource of knowledge which will engage our minds limitlessly |
| 06:00.53 | daniel_jackson | if I get bent out of shape trying to make my script, I'll go there |
| 06:01.59 | daniel_jackson | well lets just say "if you can do something yourself, you may not need to ask for help" |
| 06:02.22 | a_meteorite | Confucius says: Do not reinvent the wheel. |
| 06:02.51 | daniel_jackson | pfff .... programmer talk! lol |
| 06:02.56 | daniel_jackson | cya |
| 06:03.08 | a_temp_dist | s/goin/groin/ |
| 06:03.25 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 06:03.27 | a_meteorite | >_> |
| 06:03.31 | a_meteorite | uh bye. |
| 06:03.35 | daniel_jackson | bye |
| 06:04.03 | The_Vaxorcist | just "while [ 1 ] ; do bzfs ; done" would be a good starting point |
| 06:04.09 | daniel_jackson | so has anyone found a man page on tying shoes yet? lol |
| 06:04.26 | The_Vaxorcist | hahahahaha |
| 06:05.51 | daniel_jackson | well you know I love going to forums if I need help, but I hate people being insistent on telling me to go to them when I want to do it myself |
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| 06:06.34 | The_Vaxorcist | I know the feeling |
| 06:06.34 | jude- | hello all |
| 06:06.36 | daniel_jackson | if you can understand that |
| 06:06.46 | a_temp_dist | hey jude |
| 06:06.46 | DTRemenak | howdy jude- |
| 06:06.54 | daniel_jackson | hey jude |
| 06:07.01 | daniel_jackson | anymore? |
| 06:07.03 | jude- | hello |
| 06:07.08 | The_Vaxorcist | good luck on your endeavor |
| 06:07.50 | daniel_jackson | thank you, does the forum list ways I can brainwash server owners? lol |
| 06:08.35 | daniel_jackson | oh I guess not, well I got to take off |
| 06:08.38 | daniel_jackson | cya |
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| 06:10.19 | The_Vaxorcist | he hasn't heard of the search feature, has he? ;) |
| 06:44.53 | SportChick | brlcad: still up? |
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| 09:07.31 | ts | ~karma |
| 09:07.31 | ibot | ts has karma of 28 |
| 09:07.44 | ts | ~karma ToughShooter |
| 09:07.44 | ibot | toughshooter has karma of -2 |
| 09:07.53 | ts | hmm, seems like someone finally moved it |
| 09:08.04 | ToughShooter | ~ts-- |
| 09:08.21 | ts | ~ToughShooter++ |
| 09:08.37 | ts | ~karma |
| 09:08.37 | ibot | ts has karma of 27 |
| 09:08.58 | ts | ~karma ToughShooter |
| 09:08.58 | ibot | toughshooter has karma of -1 |
| 09:09.10 | ToughShooter | ~ts-- |
| 09:09.24 | ts | ~ToughShooter++ |
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| 13:02.23 | KTL | ~lart matlab |
| 13:02.23 | ibot | gives matlab a good seeing to |
| 13:03.31 | KTL | not enough |
| 13:03.32 | KTL | ~lart matlab |
| 13:03.32 | ibot | breaks out the Hoover and sucks up matlab |
| 13:03.37 | KTL | better |
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| 13:38.32 | biggeruniverse | bus error. nice. I'd have been curious to know where it occurred, in case that code has carried over to 2.1 |
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| 13:46.08 | _sussi | cosmos: could you reset the flags please borrego |
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| 16:18.16 | JeffM2501 | donny_baker, you arround? |
| 16:19.41 | donny_baker | yep |
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| 17:57.43 | thefirstdude | hello |
| 17:58.02 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 18:14.19 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, you arround? |
| 18:14.38 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: yup |
| 18:22.29 | ts | ~bzflist |
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| 19:00.29 | lodxcol | ~bzfquery lodxcol.bzflag.org:5200 |
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| 19:20.48 | lodxcol | yay |
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| 19:36.22 | CBG | Since when is "rape" a ruder word than a derivative word for someone with dark skin beginning with n. |
| 19:38.15 | CBG | s/derivative/derogative/ |
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| 19:42.14 | TheRedBaron | ? |
| 19:42.20 | TheRedBaron | is that a sincere question? |
| 19:42.56 | CBG | Yes. |
| 19:43.09 | CBG | I don't see "rape" as a rude or offensive _word_ at all. |
| 19:56.17 | JeffM2501 | CBG, your welcome to disagree |
| 19:56.17 | TheRedBaron | I'd say look at what the two words mean |
| 19:56.18 | CBG | I'm looking for some kind of reason why saying "rape" is likely to offend, when that _other word_ isn't. |
| 19:56.18 | JeffM2501 | it's there use |
| 19:56.18 | CBG | One word can ONLY be used in a very offensive and racist manner. |
| 19:56.18 | JeffM2501 | nether of them has a posttive use in the game, and generaly only can be used for negative conotation |
| 19:56.18 | CBG | The other could be used in a variety of ways, some offensive, many not. |
| 19:56.18 | JeffM2501 | but I'm open to discussion no moving ot down. |
| 19:56.18 | JeffM2501 | that rule is the hardest one to define sadly |
| 19:56.18 | JeffM2501 | that's just a prelimiary list |
| 19:56.42 | JeffM2501 | for something that dosn't even exist yet |
| 19:57.09 | CBG | "Did you hear about the rape victim in the UK?" compared to "You n.....". |
| 19:57.35 | JeffM2501 | and that belongs in game, HOW? |
| 19:57.56 | JeffM2501 | but I see your point |
| 19:57.57 | JeffM2501 | I'll move it down |
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| 19:57.59 | JeffM2501 | lets jsut stop using the word here, ok? |
| 19:57.59 | CBG | People do have general conversations in-game. |
| 19:57.59 | CBG | The r-word? Fine... |
| 19:57.59 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 19:58.00 | JeffM2501 | and I see your point |
| 19:58.00 | CBG | I agree, the game is not for extended general conversations... but it does happen, a lot. |
| 19:58.00 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 19:59.32 | ts | CBG: Heh, I think general conversation in-game is the most used type of communication during playing |
| 19:59.32 | JeffM2501 | I don't want the word list to be too big |
| 19:59.32 | JeffM2501 | I'd be ok with removing that from the list |
| 19:59.32 | JeffM2501 | as the bad uses of it woudl also come under the personal attacking use. |
| 19:59.32 | JeffM2501 | I think the others are prety cut and dry tho |
| 19:59.32 | CBG | ts: it's a while since I played - and I used to play almost exclusively in the leagues. most conversation is stuff like "nice shot" and talk about matches. when the next match will be... who it will be against... who won the last one... etc. |
| 19:59.32 | blast007 | I have people come on and discuss with someone else how they got banned at another server... |
| 19:59.32 | ts | CBG: Heh, yeah during league play people try to concentrate on playing but between the matches there is much "off-topic" stuff |
| 20:00.13 | CBG | Current affairs? A lot of players are too young and too stupid to spell "current" let alone discuss such issues amongst themselves, surely..? |
| 20:00.25 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:00.51 | TheRedBaron | bah |
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| 20:07.36 | CBG | TheRedBaron: sure, I'm saying such conversations DO take place.... just not all the time. |
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| 21:27.31 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: i'm a radar freak |
| 21:27.43 | JeffM2501 | ummm. ok |
| 21:27.45 | JeffM2501 | I know that |
| 21:27.51 | TheRedBaron | But to what extent? |
| 21:28.06 | JeffM2501 | umm, I dunno |
| 21:28.14 | TheRedBaron | I just took a towel, and drapped it over my HUD, to polish up my radar skills. Forcing me to live by radar alone :) |
| 21:28.23 | TheRedBaron | thats how much of a radar freak I am :) |
| 21:28.29 | JeffM2501 | whatever floats your boat man |
| 21:28.49 | trepan | TheRedBaron: there's really no need for the radar prefix |
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| 21:29.10 | TheRedBaron | trepan: haha |
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| 21:30.01 | TheRedBaron | trepan: how else am I supposed to stand out amidst all the other freaks? :) |
| 21:30.39 | trepan | paint yourself green (blue has already been taken) |
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| 21:31.21 | CBG | is red taken? |
| 21:31.30 | CBG | or do I stand out from other freaks anyway? |
| 21:32.53 | Erroneous | TheRedBaron: there's a patch around somewhere to render a texture between the out-the-window view and the hud, which would effectively make the entire out-the-window view invisible |
| 21:33.22 | Erroneous | without resorting to cloth barriers |
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| 21:33.50 | JeffM2501 | or just comment out renderWorld :) |
| 21:34.25 | Erroneous | I think you get smearing if you do that, which would make the radar unusable ;) |
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| 21:34.42 | TheRedBaron | both of those options require more time and intelligence then has been given me :) |
| 21:35.10 | Erroneous | or I may even have checked the texture stuff in (don't remember, just wrote it for "wzflag" :) ) |
| 21:38.43 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03amcnabb * r14200 10/trunk/bzflag/src/ (4 files in 3 dirs): normalize angles when reporting them |
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| 21:39.52 | Think_Differentl | bargh...I'm having sound troubles with bzflag. |
| 21:40.03 | Think_Differentl | Its all scratchy, sounds sort of like white noise in the backround. |
| 21:40.12 | Think_Differentl | Plus i cant seem to change the audio driver. |
| 21:40.33 | JeffM2501 | make sure your SDL build was done with the same sound driver your OS is using. |
| 21:40.48 | Think_Differentl | It is...alsa. |
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| 21:41.39 | JeffM2501 | you have the alsa SDL build? |
| 21:41.40 | Deepa | recompile? |
| 21:41.55 | JeffM2501 | bzflag dosn't link to alsa, that's SDLs job |
| 21:42.04 | JeffM2501 | assuming your doing an SDL build |
| 21:45.38 | Think_Differentl | I did an SDL build... |
| 21:49.05 | JeffM2501 | what distro you on? |
| 21:51.12 | tupone | Having sound problems? If you're using ALSA for sound, you may get better performance to use "hw:0" instead of "plughw:0" or "default" for audio by specifying "hw:0" under the Options->Audio->Device menu in the game. |
| 21:51.29 | tupone | from README.Linux |
| 21:52.54 | Think_Differentl | tupone, thanks but it doesnt work. |
| 21:53.01 | Think_Differentl | JeffM2501, Ubuntu 64 |
| 21:53.17 | JeffM2501 | what is the SDL package name |
| 21:53.22 | tupone | what have you on your console when you start with bzflag? |
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| 21:55.38 | Think_Differentl | libsdl1.2debian-alsa |
| 21:56.49 | tupone | Does it says "audio driver: alsa" ? I mean bzflag when it start? |
| 21:57.00 | Think_Differentl | tupone, yes. |
| 21:57.54 | tupone | so what you tried in device? |
| 21:58.01 | Think_Differentl | hw:0 |
| 21:58.09 | Think_Differentl | it doesnt seem to want to save that. |
| 21:58.18 | tupone | :) |
| 21:58.27 | Think_Differentl | I removed alsa now, trying sdl with ess |
| 21:58.27 | tupone | I knew that. |
| 21:58.34 | tupone | use alsa |
| 21:58.47 | tupone | put the right driver and press Enter |
| 21:58.55 | tupone | then save and then restart bzflag |
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| 22:00.00 | tupone | put hw:0 , is the best to use with bzflag, one audio board and no other sound to ear while playing |
| 22:00.02 | Think_Differentl | tupone, what is the right drivrer then? |
| 22:00.14 | tupone | don't put anything to driver |
| 22:00.20 | tupone | it will take alsa |
| 22:00.48 | tupone | if the Audio Driver: alsa is what you get |
| 22:01.00 | Think_Differentl | tupone, thanks, but it still doesnt resolve the issue. |
| 22:01.04 | tupone | just put something to device |
| 22:01.11 | tupone | it does save it ? |
| 22:02.05 | Think_Differentl | tupone, no. |
| 22:02.25 | tupone | probably you did not press enter after writing the device |
| 22:03.18 | tupone | if you really don't know how to do, change the config.cfg with vi |
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| 22:05.32 | Think_Differentl | thank you, tupone, it seemed to work :) |
| 22:05.33 | tupone | echo "set audioDriver hw:0" >> ~/.bzf/2.0/config.cfg |
| 22:05.44 | tupone | ok. I knew. I coded it :) |
| 22:05.46 | Think_Differentl | I had forgotten to press enter after hw:0 |
| 22:05.49 | Think_Differentl | :) |
| 22:05.51 | tupone | yep |
| 22:26.50 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14201 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/ (ares/config.h curl/aclocal.m4 curl/install-sh): generated files shouldn't be in the repository |
| 22:30.28 | Winny | would it be possible for a GU admin to take a look at the "request global group" thread? I kinda need that soonish, if possible |
| 22:33.42 | JeffM2501 | by "gu" admin you mean fourm admin? |
| 22:34.02 | Winny | err, I meant BZBB |
| 22:34.04 | Winny | blog |
| 22:34.06 | Winny | bleh*( |
| 22:34.11 | Winny | wow, I am not with it today |
| 22:35.52 | JeffM2501 | heh blog... |
| 22:36.21 | a_meteorite | Winny: inhaling too much dust from old computers, eh? |
| 22:36.23 | a_meteorite | ;) |
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| 22:47.49 | Winny | thanks for the group, JeffM2501 |
| 22:47.56 | JeffM2501 | sure |
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| 23:02.02 | Winny | /endgame is the same as /gameover, right? |
| 23:06.59 | Winny | nvm, figured it out |
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| 23:50.26 | Tannerld | when I exit out of bzflag on windows vista (ati's drivers), the screen stays black for about 30sec before resuming back to normal |
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