| 00:00.08 | JeffM2501 | they have there own support system |
| 00:00.08 | chickin | so? |
| 00:00.08 | brlcad | chickin: there's a general behavior protocol for interacting on IRC .. one can generally expect to be ridiculed until they are familiar with the baseline behavioral rules |
| 00:00.25 | chickin | di i sound like i care? |
| 00:00.29 | brlcad | there's a lot of useful introductory information available at http://irchelp.org/ |
| 00:00.30 | chickin | do* |
| 00:00.34 | a_meteorite | no, apparently you don't care |
| 00:00.42 | JeffM2501 | you need to do your own research on it |
| 00:00.44 | brlcad | not saying you did or didn't, just trying to help |
| 00:01.13 | JeffM2501 | and your typing style ain't gonna win you any quick friends ether. |
| 00:01.28 | CBG | either* |
| 00:01.44 | DTRemenak | quick friends usually aren't worth having anyway...easy come, easy go |
| 00:01.46 | brlcad | also, not everyone is full of themselves or rude on irc, just abrash tort comments .. though plenty are the latter too |
| 00:01.54 | DTRemenak | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.06 | CBG | some people are incredibly rude and naughty |
| 00:02.21 | CBG | they're the people who insist that IRC has no health bar. the rotters. |
| 00:02.33 | brlcad | heh |
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| 00:03.33 | a_meteorite | hi Gnurdux |
| 00:03.42 | CBG | uhohomgbbq |
| 00:03.43 | Gnurdux | hey |
| 00:04.21 | a_meteorite | heh, phpbb's dst isn't updated |
| 00:04.21 | Bluer | hello Gnurdux :) |
| 00:04.29 | Gnurdux | hey |
| 00:04.38 | CBG | blast007, 'sup? |
| 00:04.43 | bla | grr |
| 00:04.48 | a_meteorite | I eat bla |
| 00:05.25 | a_meteorite | nvm, phpbb doesn't respect dst. you have to set your GMT offset |
| 00:05.59 | bla | a_meteorite: ah, good... |
| 00:05.59 | bla | was hoping I didn't have to upgrade to fix it :P |
| 00:05.59 | a_meteorite | hehe |
| 00:06.00 | chickin | hey gnurdux |
| 00:06.04 | Gnurdux | hey |
| 00:07.13 | a_meteorite | ~eat bla |
| 00:07.18 | ibot | ACTION eats bla and falls over dead |
| 00:07.18 | CBG | Is it likely that I installed SDL in the past in order to compile bzflag from source? |
| 00:07.21 | a_meteorite | sorry, I couldn't resist :P |
| 00:07.26 | a_meteorite | bla sounds so... edible |
| 00:07.36 | a_meteorite | CBG: yes |
| 00:07.47 | Bluer | sounds something jelly-like |
| 00:07.50 | CBG | kthnxbye |
| 00:07.52 | a_meteorite | CBG: I had to install SDL's packages |
| 00:07.59 | CBG | I thought so too |
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| 00:11.25 | chickin | is thumper here? |
| 00:11.36 | Thumper_ | sort of |
| 00:11.57 | CBG | ERR ER. Wrong answer. |
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| 00:17.10 | chickin | why have ppl stoped talking? |
| 00:17.39 | JeffM2501 | because they are doing other things |
| 00:17.45 | chickin | oh..... |
| 00:17.51 | Thumper_ | chickin: there's 18 people on lasermania - go have fun |
| 00:17.52 | JeffM2501 | this isn't your normal chiter chatter chat room |
| 00:17.59 | brlcad | interesting.. we're actually still getting "more popular" |
| 00:18.05 | brlcad | i wish we had old sgi stats |
| 00:18.05 | chickin | sweet!!!!!!!!!!! gtg bye |
| 00:18.11 | Thumper_ | :D |
| 00:18.15 | brlcad | heh |
| 00:18.17 | DTRemenak | wow |
| 00:18.29 | JeffM2501 | I'll bet, 8 |
| 00:18.56 | CBG | 3. |
| 00:21.10 | brlcad | nice shadows but also shows another good reason to go with a render engine.. LOD textures.. ground looks like the Matrix threw up :) |
| 00:21.21 | JeffM2501 | I didn't do any repeats |
| 00:21.25 | JeffM2501 | that is from an engine ;) |
| 00:21.39 | brlcad | eek |
| 00:21.53 | JeffM2501 | I just had it do a default plane |
| 00:22.01 | JeffM2501 | to get something to get a shadow on |
| 00:23.07 | JeffM2501 | then your all about the shaders |
| 00:23.13 | JeffM2501 | tho I can do multi-texture here |
| 00:23.22 | brlcad | or global illumination :P |
| 00:23.55 | JeffM2501 | shaders are for more then realtime |
| 00:23.59 | brlcad | though that'd be sweet |
| 00:24.00 | JeffM2501 | rendman, man ;) |
| 00:25.13 | JeffM2501 | hmm, wonder how they store there font info |
| 00:25.36 | JeffM2501 | oh, clever |
| 00:26.01 | JeffM2501 | it's a bitmap system like ours, but they put a special pixels in for each character to say where it starts and stops :) |
| 00:26.20 | brlcad | yeah, though even with shaders you can't get some of the best effects (easily) |
| 00:26.22 | JeffM2501 | and looks to suport unicode |
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| 00:26.34 | brlcad | need a real light sim, spensive as heck |
| 00:27.07 | brlcad | we have a guy working on a new tracer that actually has superb potential on polygonal geometry |
| 00:27.27 | brlcad | he implemented it from scratch and without reading most of the leading literature .. |
| 00:28.37 | brlcad | yet his is at least as fast as the current world's fastest ray-tracer (Rechetov's) and actually exceeds it for several geometries |
| 00:28.38 | JeffM2501 | render savant :) |
| 00:28.47 | brlcad | seriously, impressive |
| 00:29.57 | brlcad | he's got his tracer ray-tracing on a single desktop cpu, 1024x768 at around 50 FPS |
| 00:30.35 | brlcad | on a half million poly model at that |
| 00:31.07 | brlcad | yeah, I think he did.. that was my biggest complaint when I poked at CS .. one of the most complex to set up, and biggest/complex APIs |
| 00:31.41 | brlcad | JeffM2501: you read the ideas list? |
| 00:31.57 | brlcad | thoughts/additions? |
| 00:32.19 | JeffM2501 | never saw where it was |
| 00:32.20 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 00:32.32 | brlcad | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code |
| 00:35.33 | JeffM2501 | better stat tracking and global login/auth |
| 00:37.24 | brlcad | what do you mean by stat tracking? |
| 00:37.34 | JeffM2501 | 2 types |
| 00:37.43 | JeffM2501 | 1) who's playing on what OS/hardware/whatever |
| 00:37.47 | JeffM2501 | and when |
| 00:38.01 | JeffM2501 | unique players per day/week/month/ etcc |
| 00:38.22 | JeffM2501 | and then a better in game player stat system then the poller |
| 00:38.27 | JeffM2501 | something that updates when the server lists |
| 00:38.32 | JeffM2501 | or updates player counts, etc.. |
| 00:38.39 | JeffM2501 | that tracks game type, server, etc.. |
| 00:38.57 | JeffM2501 | perhaps even IPs per player/nick |
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| 00:41.22 | Chestal | I think to enhance dead reckoning / lag comp / server-side hit detection it is necessary to be able to test any strategy in a controlled environment, let's say a simplified bzflag simulator |
| 00:42.12 | Chestal | which lets you change virtual network parameters, view the world from different client perspectives etc., calculate whatever metric you use to saya that a strategy was good |
| 00:42.14 | brlcad | JeffM2501: that'd be kinda short-lived with the latter (new global login/auth) |
| 00:42.36 | JeffM2501 | what do you mean? |
| 00:42.38 | brlcad | i'm adding global auth though, that's a good iea |
| 00:42.53 | JeffM2501 | oh I meant it all as one |
| 00:42.55 | brlcad | i mean, where would you harvest that data from? |
| 00:42.59 | JeffM2501 | stats as part of new global auth :) |
| 00:43.08 | JeffM2501 | auth and stats, etc. |
| 00:43.09 | brlcad | oh, well .. yeah.. but .. 2 months from start to finish? :) |
| 00:43.18 | JeffM2501 | or auth that allowed the hoks for the data |
| 00:43.20 | brlcad | kids |
| 00:44.01 | brlcad | I saw them as the same too.. though I think they'll have enough trouble just to write something that the client integrates with |
| 00:44.08 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 00:44.35 | brlcad | Chestal: I like that idea of a simulator.. can you stub it out? |
| 00:45.13 | brlcad | sounds pretty much like a controlled testing environment, regression and network integration testing |
| 00:45.51 | purple_cow | pfft |
| 00:45.51 | purple_cow | that's crazy talk |
| 00:46.57 | Chestal | something liek that, I am not sure what exactly would be needed, but I am quite certain that testing "clever" lag compensation strategies directly in the game would not be feasible |
| 00:48.22 | brlcad | purple_cow: gonna hook us up with some vmware infrastructure? :) |
| 00:49.09 | purple_cow | player and server are already free |
| 00:49.10 | brlcad | Chestal: that's also why i'm hoping someone does the headless client .. that could lead to some testing automation |
| 00:49.11 | purple_cow | what more do you want? |
| 00:49.15 | brlcad | scripted interaction scenarios |
| 00:50.05 | brlcad | purple_cow: someone to set it all up |
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| 00:51.03 | purple_cow | dude, I just provide the software. if you're too lazy to use it, that's your problem |
| 00:52.34 | brlcad | pretty sure that i've got more problems than just that |
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| 00:54.08 | CBG | Wow, here's something for all you non-mac users to laugh at - my intel imac just totally froze up on me - had to restart. |
| 00:54.28 | JeffM2501 | my ppc mini does that all the time |
| 00:54.31 | CBG | Seemingly because I was running two bzflag clients and got shot in one of them. |
| 00:55.23 | brlcad | BZ can crash the video driver if lighting is enabled, which in turn locks up the display subsystem, whick in turn locks up the kernel |
| 00:55.40 | purple_cow | brlcad: you haven't read the application development guidelines? |
| 00:55.51 | purple_cow | applications aren't supposed to cause kernel panics, since it's bad for the user |
| 00:55.57 | CBG | I do have all the settings on max now, so... could be. |
| 00:56.05 | brlcad | purple_cow: heh |
| 00:56.15 | purple_cow | (yes, that's actually in there) |
| 00:56.34 | brlcad | it's cascade nastiness.. nothing an app does should ever crash a kernel .. that's bad juju on osx's part |
| 00:56.35 | CBG | really? wow |
| 00:56.42 | CBG | i never thought of that |
| 00:57.49 | brlcad | purple_cow: I've heard that many times over the years.. you referring to a particular dev guide? |
| 00:57.54 | brlcad | :) |
| 00:58.41 | purple_cow | I don't recall exactly which one |
| 00:58.53 | purple_cow | something someone at work found while trying to track down a kernel panic |
| 00:58.59 | brlcad | sounds like something most mid-large software corporations would mandate "writing bugs are bad, don't do it" |
| 00:59.45 | purple_cow | yep |
| 00:59.52 | SportChick | hi purple_cow |
| 00:59.57 | brlcad | purple_cow: well, someone at vmware was paying attention .. contrary to yonder parallels |
| 01:00.17 | brlcad | i've had parallels actually somehow manage to reboot my machine out of the blue twice now |
| 01:00.29 | brlcad | where fusion just crashes ;) |
| 01:01.02 | parallels | ssh root@my.b.o |
| 01:01.05 | parallels | noops |
| 01:01.31 | Chestal | parallels: how many crashes today? |
| 01:01.39 | parallels | hehe |
| 01:01.44 | parallels | just the one |
| 01:01.50 | parallels | GAIM crashes while playing bz |
| 01:01.57 | parallels | 'crashed' |
| 01:02.03 | parallels | so, not bad |
| 01:02.07 | parallels | O/C is off ) |
| 01:02.24 | parallels | whoa, late night 4 u |
| 01:02.25 | brlcad | parallels: you're also *considerably* faster than fusion and more stable in general .. just more catastropic when you get pissy |
| 01:02.33 | parallels | P |
| 01:02.44 | purple_cow | that's just because fusion's still got mountains of debug code turned on ;-) |
| 01:03.23 | brlcad | yeah, I noticed |
| 01:03.46 | brlcad | and has smp sweetness going for it |
| 01:04.16 | brlcad | no "Coherence" though.. that is sweet |
| 01:04.30 | brlcad | too |
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| 01:40.03 | chickin | hi all again |
| 01:41.45 | chickin | hi all? |
| 01:43.32 | blast007 | *sigh of relief* it worked! |
| 01:45.11 | a_meteorite | SHHH! |
| 01:45.33 | a_meteorite | be vewwy vewwy quit, we're huntin chickins |
| 01:45.36 | a_meteorite | *quiet |
| 01:56.25 | a_meteorite | does the absence or presence of SDL affect bzfs or bzadmin? |
| 01:59.06 | a_meteorite | weee... seeing how the intel compiler works on bz :) |
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| 02:01.49 | a_meteorite | brb |
| 02:47.12 | brlcad | hmm.. how to answer "What steps will you take to encourage students to interact with your project's community before, during and after the program?" |
| 02:47.46 | a_meteorite | :\ |
| 02:47.52 | brlcad | how about "we won't tell them to fsck off or rtfm"? |
| 02:47.57 | a_meteorite | haha |
| 02:52.19 | spldart | Anyone in here with experience in building custom bleeding edge kernels for linux willing to help me in a PM? |
| 02:53.30 | spldart | Peeps in #debian aren't very helpful @ this time |
| 02:54.12 | brlcad | tried #linux? :) |
| 02:54.25 | spldart | no... they good? I'll try |
| 02:54.31 | brlcad | hit n' miss |
| 02:54.37 | brlcad | but should be better than #debian |
| 02:54.48 | spldart | thanks |
| 02:54.58 | brlcad | #kernel as well |
| 02:55.18 | spldart | k |
| 03:02.00 | brlcad | anyone with decent English/grammar skills have time/interest to proof-read and sanity check our GSoC submission? |
| 03:02.09 | a_meteorite | I do |
| 03:03.15 | a_meteorite | :D |
| 03:11.38 | Flash | brlcad: sure, why not |
| 03:11.57 | a_meteorite | I'll bbl brlcad, e-mail it to me? |
| 03:12.15 | brlcad | a_meteorite: i'm submitting it tonight |
| 03:12.26 | brlcad | i'm giving it once more over myself |
| 03:12.37 | brlcad | then i'll reformat and rfc |
| 03:29.27 | a_meteorite | brlcad: back :) |
| 03:30.11 | a_meteorite | heh, I got two A's and a B+ for the last 3 reports/essays |
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| 04:14.02 | brlcad | ~a_meteorite++ |
| 04:48.31 | a_meteorite | :) |
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| 05:41.02 | SportChick | hi SilverFox! |
| 05:41.04 | SportChick | long time no see! |
| 05:43.32 | SilverFox | yeah... |
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| 15:23.57 | chickin | hi thumper |
| 15:23.59 | SportChick | hi chickin |
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| 16:42.55 | JeffM2501 | sup G |
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| 17:34.59 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, your loged into regression 2 :) |
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| 17:39.09 | Erroneous | ah, oops |
| 17:39.27 | Erroneous | sorry, Mike called before I saw your message |
| 17:39.35 | JeffM2501 | fair nuf |
| 17:39.46 | JeffM2501 | that's why walking over there is always an option :) |
| 17:41.43 | Erroneous | heh |
| 17:42.50 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't crash on regresion!!!!.. |
| 17:43.30 | JeffM2501 | and/or get a snickers |
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| 18:26.41 | tupone_laptop | ? |
| 18:26.59 | JeffM2501 | I found out my main dirve is full at work |
| 18:27.06 | JeffM2501 | and my user profile is the cause |
| 18:27.08 | JeffM2501 | 27 gigs |
| 18:27.20 | JeffM2501 | was installing diectX9 so I could build CS and other engines. |
| 18:27.33 | tupone_laptop | good |
| 18:27.55 | JeffM2501 | well not so good on the full drive :) |
| 18:32.40 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: how much music do you have? :) |
| 18:34.03 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, that dosn't count music |
| 18:34.10 | JeffM2501 | music is on it's own 200 gig drive |
| 18:35.13 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: I was guessing windows, and that you were using the default "My Music" folder |
| 18:35.20 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 18:35.27 | JeffM2501 | I know exactly what it is |
| 18:35.38 | JeffM2501 | I use my desktop and my documents heavaly |
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| 18:37.53 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 18:37.57 | JeffM2501 | a folder is a folder |
| 18:38.32 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: when you have c:\blank\here\there\where\what\why\just get me the file~!!\ |
| 18:38.35 | TheRedBaron | it gets annoying :) |
| 18:38.46 | JeffM2501 | put a shortcut on your desktop ;) |
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| 18:39.05 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: then you end up having 27gigs in your profile ;) |
| 18:39.08 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 18:39.11 | JeffM2501 | it's just a folder |
| 18:39.19 | JeffM2501 | same as any other folder on the drive |
| 18:39.25 | JeffM2501 | it just happens to be your profile too :) |
| 18:40.23 | JeffM2501 | they gave me another 80 gig, I'll just make the bugs and projects foldes be shortcuts to the new drive |
| 18:40.30 | JeffM2501 | that will clear up about 15 gigs |
| 18:40.53 | JeffM2501 | tupone_laptop, what does CS have for dynamic lighting? |
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| 18:41.27 | Macnt | hi whats the command for hunt the rabbit in the conf file? |
| 18:42.27 | JeffM2501 | -rabbit |
| 18:42.31 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFS_Command_Line_Options |
| 18:42.34 | Macnt | ok thx |
| 18:43.27 | tupone_laptop | what you mean? I know it has one algorithm for static light that is lightmap texture for mesh-thing, but that need to compute once, or cached. It has dynamic light for genmesh and they are going to add a lighter2 algorithm |
| 18:43.58 | JeffM2501 | was curious if you had a plan for the shotglow that we do on buildings |
| 18:44.01 | tupone_laptop | the details of these are unknown to me |
| 18:44.27 | JeffM2501 | figured you were just gonna get it working first then worry about lights, but figured I'd ask at least |
| 18:44.51 | tupone_laptop | well, I think you can readd :) those effects later on |
| 18:44.59 | JeffM2501 | indeed they could be |
| 18:45.06 | tupone_laptop | or doing a plugin that does it, to contribute back to CS |
| 18:45.17 | tupone_laptop | if they don't have the possibility |
| 18:45.20 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure they have some system to do dynamic lights |
| 18:45.23 | JeffM2501 | they have to |
| 18:45.53 | tupone_laptop | dynamic light, they have. Dunno what the special effect is, as I don't run normally with effect on |
| 18:46.11 | JeffM2501 | you turn lighting off in BZ? |
| 18:46.21 | tupone_laptop | ahh ok, I understand |
| 18:46.24 | tupone_laptop | they can do |
| 18:46.40 | JeffM2501 | we do a dynamic teselation |
| 18:46.41 | tupone_laptop | dunno how many light they can handle, thought |
| 18:47.09 | tupone_laptop | I will see |
| 18:47.09 | JeffM2501 | dunno |
| 18:47.11 | JeffM2501 | food time |
| 18:47.18 | tupone_laptop | feed |
| 18:54.03 | Erroneous | hmm..."uses the desktop heavily"...understatement of the day... |
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| 19:34.16 | L4m3r | DTRemenak / Erroneous: ping |
| 19:34.23 | Erroneous | L4m3r: pong |
| 19:34.43 | L4m3r | can you tell me what WSACleanup(); is for bzfscron? |
| 19:34.49 | L4m3r | it appears to be win32 only |
| 19:35.20 | tupone_laptop | yeah it is |
| 19:35.27 | blast007 | winsock |
| 19:35.30 | tupone_laptop | WinSocket |
| 19:35.34 | tupone_laptop | :) |
| 19:35.54 | L4m3r | ah, so if I'm stripping the network crap out of bzfscron, that can go, right? ;) |
| 19:36.26 | Erroneous | yup |
| 19:36.53 | Erroneous | you may have found it easier to start with 2.1's code |
| 19:37.13 | L4m3r | nah, this was actually very easy |
| 19:37.18 | Erroneous | cool |
| 19:37.21 | L4m3r | it was just finding the time to do it... |
| 19:37.38 | L4m3r | physics lectures work well, though :D |
| 19:37.52 | blast007 | :) |
| 19:42.27 | L4m3r | doh |
| 19:42.52 | L4m3r | compiler error in /usr/lib/gcc... that can't be good |
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| 20:16.21 | JeffM2501 | tupone_laptop, so far what do you find are the major hurdles of doing your CS work? |
| 20:16.40 | JeffM2501 | are there any major things in CS that make for big changes in BZ? |
| 20:18.04 | tupone_laptop | only the 2D |
| 20:18.21 | tupone_laptop | there is little support for that |
| 20:18.40 | JeffM2501 | so the hud and the gui? |
| 20:18.41 | tupone_laptop | I mean fonts, lines, radar. |
| 20:18.46 | tupone_laptop | yeah |
| 20:18.47 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 20:18.47 | JeffM2501 | oik |
| 20:19.05 | tupone_laptop | for the radar don't know how is done yet |
| 20:19.12 | tupone_laptop | there is support for 2D pixmap |
| 20:19.25 | tupone_laptop | textured. |
| 20:19.25 | JeffM2501 | do they have line and triangle primitives? |
| 20:19.34 | JeffM2501 | or a quad prim? |
| 20:19.35 | tupone_laptop | only lines and boxes |
| 20:19.52 | JeffM2501 | box, as in 2d box? |
| 20:19.57 | tupone_laptop | yeah |
| 20:20.02 | JeffM2501 | that's all you need |
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| 20:20.27 | tupone_laptop | but I cannot orient IIUC |
| 20:20.47 | JeffM2501 | they have a matrix transform that you can do before you draw? |
| 20:21.08 | tupone_laptop | nope, not for 2d, If I have read that correctly |
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| 20:34.00 | Legoguy | wait what’s this, bzflag is being put into a new engine? /me hasn’t paid attention to this channel in a while |
| 20:34.12 | JeffM2501 | there is info on it on the wiki |
| 20:34.16 | JeffM2501 | it's an experment |
| 20:35.48 | JeffM2501 | wonder if I can get a full CS debug build done in under 2 min |
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| 20:36.31 | blast007 | bet it would be a "little" faster than my Pentium M |
| 20:36.41 | JeffM2501 | looks like it'll be about 3 min |
| 20:36.52 | blast007 | what CPU? |
| 20:36.56 | Legoguy | got a wiki page for me? can’t find anything |
| 20:37.02 | JeffM2501 | 9 |
| 20:37.03 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 20:37.12 | Legoguy | … |
| 20:37.51 | JeffM2501 | 3:10 with all samples |
| 20:38.12 | JeffM2501 | Legoguy, http://my.bzflag.org/w/CrystalSpace_client |
| 20:38.19 | JeffM2501 | blast007, distributed compile |
| 20:38.38 | JeffM2501 | used 11 cores |
| 20:39.53 | blast007 | heh.. |
| 20:40.09 | JeffM2501 | IIRC it builds bz in under 2 |
| 20:42.33 | tupone_laptop | JeffM2501, are you building CS from sources? |
| 20:42.39 | JeffM2501 | tupone_laptop, yes |
| 20:42.42 | JeffM2501 | I did |
| 20:42.43 | JeffM2501 | it is done |
| 20:42.47 | JeffM2501 | took 3 min 15 seconds |
| 20:42.54 | tupone_laptop | remember to add nvidia toolkit support |
| 20:43.10 | tupone_laptop | it will be useful later |
| 20:43.16 | JeffM2501 | I installed that as part of the libs they have |
| 20:43.21 | JeffM2501 | do I have to change the code to have it use it? |
| 20:43.29 | JeffM2501 | I just did what there instructions said |
| 20:43.39 | tupone_laptop | I don't know. I build with configure/make |
| 20:43.46 | tupone_laptop | and there is an option on configure |
| 20:43.50 | JeffM2501 | ain't got those here ;) |
| 20:44.01 | tupone_laptop | but maybe on windows is default |
| 20:44.32 | JeffM2501 | don't have a configuration for it |
| 20:44.54 | JeffM2501 | debug, release, memorytracker, and reftracker |
| 20:45.40 | tupone_laptop | ok, so they discover at installation time. Because you can have for instance cal3d, and don't think you have it installed |
| 20:46.26 | JeffM2501 | isn't it all done with plugins? |
| 20:46.44 | tupone_laptop | yeah, but plugin should call the real library |
| 20:46.54 | JeffM2501 | all the plugins built |
| 20:46.58 | JeffM2501 | I got no errors |
| 20:47.02 | tupone_laptop | ahh ok, then you have all |
| 20:50.04 | TD-Linux | should categories on the wiki be plural or singular? |
| 20:50.10 | TD-Linux | as in 'Maps' or 'Map' ? |
| 20:50.33 | JeffM2501 | is there more then one? ;) |
| 20:50.54 | TD-Linux | ok |
| 20:51.40 | TD-Linux | being a little narcissistic when making Category:Developer, JeffM2501? :P |
| 20:51.56 | JeffM2501 | I did them for a number of developers |
| 20:52.10 | JeffM2501 | I didn't do myself first ether |
| 20:52.30 | JeffM2501 | tho shoudln't it be there under my real name |
| 20:53.49 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03atupone 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (HUDRenderer.cxx ScoreboardRenderer.cxx): Scoreboard rendered. (not perfectly but ...) |
| 20:56.50 | JeffM2501 | for developers I thinkt he page should be there real name if we know it, then an alias that is any handle or callsing |
| 20:56.55 | JeffM2501 | as we do real names in the credits |
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| 20:58.11 | Legoguy | so how do i get this thing to build |
| 20:58.28 | TD-Linux | mabye the User: pages should be for those |
| 20:58.37 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 20:58.47 | JeffM2501 | there should be info about them tho It hink |
| 20:58.54 | JeffM2501 | however you think is best |
| 20:58.55 | Legoguy | ahhh do i need to download the cs engine seperately |
| 20:58.56 | JeffM2501 | Legoguy, what OS? |
| 20:59.07 | Legoguy | [ info ] Computer Name: legobase | Kernel Version: Linux 2.6.19-gentoo-r4 |
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| 20:59.19 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: no crash for me |
| 20:59.20 | tupone_laptop | Legoguy, what distro? |
| 20:59.21 | JeffM2501 | or the word gentoo would have worked |
| 20:59.30 | Legoguy | tupone_laptop: … |
| 20:59.34 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, crap |
| 20:59.37 | tupone_laptop | lfs? |
| 20:59.48 | Legoguy | look up |
| 21:00.03 | tupone_laptop | ahh, ok. gentoo |
| 21:00.17 | tupone_laptop | you can get CS from portage, testing version |
| 21:00.30 | tupone_laptop | but ... is terribly alpha |
| 21:00.33 | tupone_laptop | bzflag |
| 21:00.44 | tupone_laptop | add cg use flag |
| 21:00.48 | JeffM2501 | I'd not even call it apha :) |
| 21:00.56 | JeffM2501 | it's a good start tho |
| 21:01.04 | Legoguy | ooo |
| 21:01.09 | Erroneous | is the code available? it's alpha :P |
| 21:01.10 | tupone_laptop | planning :) |
| 21:01.36 | Erroneous | simultaneous dev and testing ftw |
| 21:01.45 | JeffM2501 | it's featureset isn't done, so no alpha by my book :) |
| 21:01.50 | JeffM2501 | proof of concept |
| 21:01.55 | Erroneous | featureset? :P |
| 21:01.59 | Legoguy | does it actually pull from CVS, this gentoo ebuild? |
| 21:02.05 | TD-Linux | we need a shorthand like 'ws', but for 'categorized' |
| 21:02.14 | JeffM2501 | cated |
| 21:02.15 | Erroneous | +cat |
| 21:02.15 | Guu | I don't have a clue. |
| 21:02.20 | tupone_laptop | gentoo ebuild for CS? |
| 21:02.25 | Legoguy | oh |
| 21:02.26 | Erroneous | assuming you're talking about a wiki |
| 21:02.28 | Legoguy | wait lol |
| 21:02.31 | Legoguy | nm |
| 21:02.56 | Erroneous | +cat for added categories, +del for requested deletion, +wiki for wikified, etc |
| 21:02.56 | Guu | No idea! |
| 21:03.19 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, please feel free to move/rename/fixifxy the pages that relate to people |
| 21:03.39 | JeffM2501 | fixify |
| 21:03.49 | TheRedBaron | ~dictionary JeffM2501 |
| 21:04.00 | ibot | see dict JeffM2501 |
| 21:04.00 | TD-Linux | ok |
| 21:04.02 | JeffM2501 | I just did what I thought would work |
| 21:04.14 | JeffM2501 | if the userpages are the way to go, then so be it. |
| 21:05.39 | Erroneous | depends whether you want people to write their own or not. people are generally discouraged from editing other people's userpages, and from editing main-namespace articles about themselves. |
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| 21:05.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:06.10 | JeffM2501 | I just figured it'd be nice to list what some of the people had done. |
| 21:06.15 | JeffM2501 | and give them there props |
| 21:06.20 | JeffM2501 | pull em if you want to |
| 21:06.45 | Erroneous | it's also valid to have both |
| 21:07.08 | JeffM2501 | I did pages for others |
| 21:07.21 | JeffM2501 | if I did mine too, pull it and remake it so I didn't do it :) |
| 21:07.36 | Erroneous | a la http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimbo_Wales and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales |
| 21:07.49 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 21:08.14 | JeffM2501 | heh jimbo |
| 21:08.34 | Erroneous | first person that came to mind as likely to have both ;) |
| 21:09.17 | JeffM2501 | full client build in 1:30 :) |
| 21:09.20 | Erroneous | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Larry_Sanger and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Sanger is another set |
| 21:09.31 | Erroneous | if you don't like using Jimbo as an example |
| 21:09.41 | JeffM2501 | it's just a funny name |
| 21:09.56 | TD-Linux | is there a template for deletion requests? |
| 21:10.03 | Erroneous | there should be |
| 21:10.04 | TD-Linux | or category? |
| 21:10.13 | TD-Linux | should I rip the one out of Wikipedia? |
| 21:10.16 | Erroneous | feel free to transwiki useful templates from wikipedia |
| 21:11.35 | Erroneous | should probably put some licensing information somewhere too |
| 21:11.35 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/3D.vcproj: 3d needs CS too |
| 21:12.10 | Erroneous | probably need to be GFDL if you want to be able to freely swap with wikipedia |
| 21:13.06 | Legoguy | one of the cc licenses might work .. |
| 21:13.27 | tupone_laptop | wikipedia does not accept anything that is not gfdl |
| 21:13.37 | tupone_laptop | at wikipedia.it |
| 21:13.38 | Erroneous | I prefer the CC licenses, but there's none that is bidirectionally compatible with gfdl |
| 21:13.38 | Legoguy | ah right then, nm me |
| 21:14.04 | Erroneous | there are CC wikis that you could snarf stuff from though |
| 21:14.42 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03atupone 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx: crack is here again |
| 21:15.00 | Erroneous | mmm, crack |
| 21:15.28 | JeffM2501 | tupone_laptop, well it dosn't crash on launch anymore :)\ |
| 21:15.29 | tupone_laptop | hmm, worked here |
| 21:15.33 | Legoguy | speaking of snarf, check out this road sign in my neighborhood: http://turbogfx.homelinux.org/gallery/v/things/DSC_4055.JPG.html |
| 21:15.35 | Erroneous | ahh, we do have a license notice already... "Please note that all textual contents of BZFlagWiki, unless they're not exclusively marked as public domain, are released under the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL)." |
| 21:15.44 | Legoguy | (hugely off topic) |
| 21:16.14 | tupone_laptop | good, it will crash on exit, just before leaving, but I don't fix it for now |
| 21:17.01 | tupone_laptop | as is for something that should be rewritten when using CEGUI |
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| 21:30.46 | JeffM2501 | cus it is done after the world is drawn |
| 21:30.46 | JeffM2501 | and your in 2d |
| 21:30.46 | JeffM2501 | so it's a fast way to block off the lower part |
| 21:30.46 | JeffM2501 | just draw it behind the hud |
| 21:30.46 | tupone_laptop | what lover part, what is deleting? |
| 21:30.47 | tupone_laptop | lower :) |
| 21:30.47 | JeffM2501 | when your burrowed, part of the screen shows dirt IIRC |
| 21:30.47 | JeffM2501 | cus the camera view extends under the dirt |
| 21:30.51 | tupone_laptop | ahh, that could be fixed I think in the 3d view. |
| 21:30.52 | tupone_laptop | We'll see |
| 21:31.01 | JeffM2501 | depends how you do it |
| 21:31.11 | JeffM2501 | for how we do our ground, doing it in the hud is fast |
| 21:31.40 | tupone_laptop | maybe there is no need, I don't see garbage now, with that texture |
| 21:31.47 | JeffM2501 | what do you see? |
| 21:31.54 | JeffM2501 | just ground? |
| 21:31.56 | tupone_laptop | the texture |
| 21:31.58 | tupone_laptop | yes |
| 21:32.07 | JeffM2501 | the intent is to show you being "buried" |
| 21:32.24 | JeffM2501 | I don't think it's there to cover any garbage, but to provide the effect of having a partal view |
| 21:32.24 | tupone_laptop | I see the ground very near |
| 21:32.41 | JeffM2501 | dosn't look as "dramatic" :) |
| 21:32.45 | tupone_laptop | ahh |
| 21:32.57 | JeffM2501 | just a visual effect |
| 21:33.20 | tupone_laptop | Just I don't want to be done now: I leave it there not running |
| 21:34.39 | tupone_laptop | I miss the shots on the hud. They should be done easily, but I want to make it work the composing window and the control panel |
| 21:38.55 | JeffM2501 | what is the simplest CS demo? |
| 21:39.00 | JeffM2501 | they have a helloCube or something? |
| 21:39.13 | Legoguy | so while im waiting for cs to build, anyone got screenshots of bzflag using cs? |
| 21:39.34 | JeffM2501 | Legoguy, it dosn't actualy draw a world |
| 21:39.44 | tupone_laptop | walktest with my world file |
| 21:39.48 | Legoguy | … right |
| 21:40.26 | Legoguy | … O_O |
| 21:40.26 | tupone_laptop | JeffM2501, you want a programming demo? |
| 21:40.27 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 21:40.27 | tupone_laptop | or an xml |
| 21:40.32 | JeffM2501 | programin |
| 21:40.40 | JeffM2501 | to look at the API |
| 21:40.54 | tupone_laptop | http://www.crystalspace3d.org/docs/online/manual/cs_4.2.php#4.2 |
| 21:41.07 | tupone_laptop | tutorial |
| 21:41.20 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 21:41.25 | JeffM2501 | they don't have that as a project do they? |
| 21:41.41 | tupone_laptop | they have the source |
| 21:42.02 | JeffM2501 | I'm looking at the soruces, there are just a lot of "appXXXXXXX" projects |
| 21:42.12 | JeffM2501 | I wondered if they had a simple one I could poke thru |
| 21:42.16 | tupone_laptop | /home/atupone/crystalspace-src-1.0.1/apps/tutorial/simple1 |
| 21:42.20 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 21:50.29 | TD-Linux | how do you make those bordered boxes on mediawiki? |
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| 21:53.17 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: renderTimes removed, as service is provided directly from bugplug plugin |
| 21:53.17 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: AutoPilot, game over,restart, resume and flag help message readded |
| 21:53.17 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: Still missing rendershot, composing, and the visual effect when buried |
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| 22:01.00 | TimRiker | cs branch? |
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| 22:01.33 | tupone_laptop | just my experiment with Crystal Space. If that is good, we will see what to do |
| 22:02.26 | Think_Differentl | the crystal space version of bzflag could be interesting, but i cant get it to compile. |
| 22:02.58 | tupone_laptop | Think_Differentl, what is your platform, and OS? |
| 22:03.09 | Think_Differentl | PPC, MacOS 10.4.8 |
| 22:03.09 | TimRiker | tupone_laptop: sounds like fun. |
| 22:03.40 | tupone_laptop | well, yeah, fun but lot of work. For now I can follow |
| 22:03.53 | tupone_laptop | Think_Differentl, have you built CS ? |
| 22:05.14 | Think_Differentl | i thought i did. |
| 22:05.30 | tupone_laptop | try walktest with my world file |
| 22:13.15 | tupone_laptop | Think_Differentl, ? |
| 22:13.15 | Think_Differentl | recompiling cs |
| 22:13.17 | tupone_laptop | ahh ok |
| 22:13.31 | TD-Linux | yay, {{Delete}} |
| 22:13.58 | TD-Linux | I must now test the efficiency of the wiki. |
| 22:15.51 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03atupone 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx: Composing lines works |
| 22:17.23 | tupone_laptop | TimRiker, that is my plan: http://my.bzflag.org/w/CrystalSpace_client |
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| 22:39.43 | a_meteorite | brlcad: When will you guys get the results on your GSoC app? |
| 22:40.24 | brlcad | tomorrow iirc |
| 22:40.32 | a_meteorite | cool |
| 22:46.48 | JeffM2501 | ibot Erroneous ++ |
| 22:47.17 | JeffM2501 | if dave had a nick he'd get one too :) |
| 22:47.26 | JeffM2501 | ibot JeffM2501 -- |
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| 22:48.51 | CBG | JeffM2501: I'm not sure it has affect with spaces after the name - and "ibot " can be with "~" if you forgot |
| 22:49.06 | JeffM2501 | oh I never remember ;) |
| 22:49.16 | CBG | ~Erroneous++ |
| 22:49.19 | JeffM2501 | but thanks |
| 22:49.23 | CBG | ~blast007++ |
| 22:49.31 | CBG | sure |
| 22:52.39 | Erroneous | yay |
| 22:52.55 | Erroneous | nice thing is, we shouldn't have to go through that again...at least on his machine |
| 22:53.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:53.30 | JeffM2501 | I have a feeling that I just jacked regressions tho. |
| 22:53.35 | Erroneous | heh |
| 22:53.41 | Erroneous | not a good feeling to have |
| 22:53.44 | JeffM2501 | like for 8.56 |
| 22:53.46 | JeffM2501 | 8.5 |
| 22:53.56 | Erroneous | eek |
| 22:54.03 | Erroneous | you're not supposed to do that :P |
| 22:54.15 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03atupone 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ControlPanel.cxx: Again, not perfect, but working |
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| 23:00.58 | TimRiker | tupone_laptop: cool. looks like progress |
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| 23:17.15 | JeffM2501 | tupone_laptop, how does one run your world in walktest? |
| 23:17.25 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03atupone 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: Enabling dialog again |
| 23:17.25 | tupone_laptop | walktest . |
| 23:17.38 | tupone_laptop | if you are inside data |
| 23:17.57 | tupone_laptop | or walktest /your/data/directory |
| 23:18.09 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 23:18.19 | JeffM2501 | I was thinking it wanted a file not a dir |
| 23:18.35 | tupone_laptop | he wants a dir with the file called world |
| 23:19.23 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03atupone 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (JoinMenu.cxx MainMenu.cxx OptionsMenu.cxx): Reordering items as coordinate system have y inverted |
| 23:20.30 | JeffM2501 | the paths in the world file are reltive to the world file? |
| 23:20.45 | tupone_laptop | they should, IIRC |
| 23:21.09 | tupone_laptop | nope |
| 23:21.29 | tupone_laptop | they are relative from where you are, well letme try again |
| 23:22.33 | tupone_laptop | that arrow pixmap that is referring to is not used so you don't care |
| 23:23.56 | tupone_laptop | I think walktest is doing a cd inside the dir |
| 23:24.05 | tupone_laptop | The path works on bzflag |
| 23:25.08 | JeffM2501 | I should have a slightly better lookin world for you here in a bit |
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| 23:32.58 | tupone_laptop | good, commit when ready. Tomorrow I will see :) |
| 23:33.02 | tupone_laptop | nite |
| 23:33.06 | JeffM2501 | I just sent it |
| 23:33.20 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/data/ (clouds.png world): something a little better then a stone covered world |
| 23:34.58 | Think_Differentl | wee....crystalspace is still compiling. |
| 23:35.29 | JeffM2501 | you don't expect it to be anything usefull right now do you? |
| 23:35.36 | JeffM2501 | it dosnt' even look like BZ |
| 23:36.01 | Think_Differentl | no, i dont expect anything useful |
| 23:36.27 | JeffM2501 | I mean not even usefull, I mean like visual at all |
| 23:36.32 | JeffM2501 | no menus |
| 23:36.36 | JeffM2501 | no tanks |
| 23:36.38 | JeffM2501 | no world |
| 23:36.58 | Think_Differentl | I'd just like to see it. |
| 23:37.09 | JeffM2501 | fair nuf |
| 23:40.04 | a_meteorite | so, if there's no menus, you have to join via the command line? |
| 23:40.13 | a_meteorite | woot fun :D |
| 23:40.15 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 23:40.29 | JeffM2501 | so you can see a big fat nothin :) |
| 23:40.45 | a_meteorite | look on the bright side, at least it can join a server :) |
| 23:42.06 | JeffM2501 | I guess |
| 23:42.18 | JeffM2501 | I'm still trying to form an opinon of the API |
| 23:42.29 | JeffM2501 | defenatly set up to be data/script driven |
| 23:42.34 | JeffM2501 | lots of etxternal files |
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