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| 00:31.26 | Killer123 | hello |
| 00:31.38 | blast007 | hi |
| 00:31.57 | Killer123 | does anybody know how to create a server with ctf and only 2 teams? |
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| 00:32.11 | Killer123 | red and blue preferably |
| 00:32.15 | blast007 | -c and the proper -mp settings |
| 00:32.28 | Killer123 | what does -mp do? |
| 00:32.34 | blast007 | player counts per team |
| 00:32.39 | blast007 | let me see if I can find the order |
| 00:32.53 | Killer123 | ive got it |
| 00:33.03 | Killer123 | in a sample conf file |
| 00:33.54 | blast007 | k |
| 00:34.16 | blast007 | if you're doing a random map, it might still create all 4 bases, never tried myself |
| 00:35.06 | SpazzyMcGee | if you have two teams set to 0 with mp, it should generate two bases. |
| 00:35.16 | blast007 | k |
| 00:35.38 | Killer123 | it still won't work |
| 00:36.11 | Killer123 | for a red and blue team with no observers i typed this: -mp 5,0,5,0,0 |
| 00:37.27 | SpazzyMcGee | -mp 0,5,0,5,0,0,5 |
| 00:37.46 | SpazzyMcGee | rougue, red, gree, blue, purple, observer |
| 00:37.50 | SpazzyMcGee | *rogue |
| 00:38.00 | Killer123 | ahh thanks |
| 00:38.49 | Killer123 | still not working - it says "improper player count list" |
| 00:39.01 | brad | what did you try? |
| 00:39.02 | SpazzyMcGee | ah wait, that's wrong. should be -mp 0,5,0,5,0,0 |
| 00:39.10 | Killer123 | kk |
| 00:39.12 | SpazzyMcGee | i put an extra 5 on for some reason. |
| 00:39.18 | Killer123 | ok |
| 00:40.54 | Killer123 | it is working thanks |
| 00:41.47 | Killer123 | is there any way if somebody selects an incorrect team, i.e. the green team that they can be automatically added to either the red or the blue team? |
| 00:41.59 | Killer123 | like on viper |
| 00:42.08 | JeffM2501 | autoteam |
| 00:42.18 | Killer123 | okay |
| 00:44.10 | a_meteorite | Is the obj format "standard" by any chance? |
| 00:44.57 | a_meteorite | Like if you save a world in obj format in BZ, will it work in anything else that can import obj? |
| 00:44.58 | Killer123 | thanks for all the help everyone |
| 00:45.19 | Killer123 | bye |
| 00:45.27 | a_meteorite | bye |
| 00:49.13 | Flash | when the server sends the version string on connect, what is the length of the message? |
| 00:50.23 | JeffM2501 | probably up to the max message len |
| 00:50.37 | Flash | that's unfortunate :-( |
| 00:50.48 | Flash | but not insurmountable |
| 00:55.10 | DTRemenak | 128 or so iirc |
| 00:58.01 | Flash | C++ enums are 0-based? enum {ONE,TWO,THREE} ONE == 0 ?? |
| 00:58.05 | JeffM2501 | you can check the sizes in the client when it pack em up |
| 00:58.09 | JeffM2501 | Flash yes |
| 00:58.14 | JeffM2501 | by default |
| 00:58.20 | JeffM2501 | if you don't say ONE =1, |
| 00:58.26 | JeffM2501 | you can have it start anywhere |
| 00:58.36 | DTRemenak | no need for it to be sequential either |
| 00:59.05 | Flash | yes, I understand if the values are specified |
| 01:04.48 | purple_cow | that's what you get for using a language without type safety ;-) |
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| 01:31.03 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03atupone 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: Moving setting of hud related variable into the Logic phase (playingLoop) |
| 01:33.06 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03atupone 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (HUDRenderer.cxx HUDRenderer.h): Partial redo of hud renderBox |
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| 03:04.04 | Flash | my connection logic isn't working |
| 03:04.26 | Flash | if I just connect a socket to a server, I get MsgGameTime pings |
| 03:04.54 | Flash | if I get a token and send a connect message, I get the same result |
| 03:05.10 | JeffM2501 | what are you expecting it to send you? |
| 03:05.27 | Flash | well, I was hoping to see my callsign on the callsign list |
| 03:05.43 | JeffM2501 | did you send the messages for that? |
| 03:05.58 | JeffM2501 | with a team and stuff? |
| 03:06.01 | Flash | obviously not |
| 03:06.08 | Flash | I sent the MsgEnter (that has team) |
| 03:06.26 | JeffM2501 | there is an order to what you have to do |
| 03:06.31 | JeffM2501 | also do you do UDP? |
| 03:06.41 | Flash | No, I didn't do that |
| 03:06.58 | Flash | but non-udp works until you try to shoot (apparently) |
| 03:06.59 | JeffM2501 | not sure if admin clients need udp or not |
| 03:07.03 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 03:07.07 | JeffM2501 | ish |
| 03:07.32 | Flash | I'd be happy with a "get lost" response from the server ;-) |
| 03:07.43 | JeffM2501 | IIRC it dosn't have one of those |
| 03:08.08 | Flash | well, there's a boatload of RejectXXX messages |
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| 03:08.17 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 03:08.20 | JeffM2501 | what do they say? |
| 03:08.36 | JeffM2501 | you may have to do flag negotiation |
| 03:08.40 | blast007 | hmm |
| 03:08.43 | Flash | RejectBadRequest BadTeam, BadType BadEmail, etc. |
| 03:08.52 | JeffM2501 | then your enter is jacked |
| 03:08.56 | JeffM2501 | your never added as a player |
| 03:08.59 | JeffM2501 | so that makes sense |
| 03:09.05 | JeffM2501 | fix the data your sending |
| 03:09.09 | Flash | ok |
| 03:09.14 | Flash | :P |
| 03:09.18 | JeffM2501 | you can write a loging plugin on the server that logs out the raw net data if you want |
| 03:09.20 | JeffM2501 | both in and out |
| 03:09.29 | JeffM2501 | so you can see the orders |
| 03:09.49 | Flash | could be a chicken-and-egg situation |
| 03:09.58 | Flash | I don't know how to write plugins either .... |
| 03:10.21 | JeffM2501 | if you can't read the code to see the order, and can't write the code to log it, your kinda screwed |
| 03:10.37 | Flash | ...tis a tedious process |
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| 03:10.46 | JeffM2501 | or just learn to read the code |
| 03:10.47 | blast007 | when I did my PHP one, I first requested MsgQueryGame and MsgQueryPlayers, then sent the MsgEnter |
| 03:10.56 | Inferno | hi |
| 03:10.57 | JeffM2501 | C ain't that difrent from python for what your doing :) |
| 03:11.03 | blast007 | not sure if they're required though |
| 03:11.30 | Flash | true, but there's a bunch of cruft in the bzadmin code |
| 03:11.30 | JeffM2501 | msg enter will add you if you havn't done those |
| 03:11.32 | Inferno | lol, Jeff is still here |
| 03:11.39 | JeffM2501 | Flash so don't use the bzadmin code |
| 03:11.41 | JeffM2501 | look at the server |
| 03:11.44 | Flash | also, lots of side-effects in constructors |
| 03:11.46 | JeffM2501 | handleCOmmand |
| 03:11.52 | JeffM2501 | it's a freaking switch |
| 03:12.26 | blast007 | I didn't use bzadmin when I was doing my stuff, I used the full bzflag client |
| 03:12.29 | blast007 | well, and yeah, some of the server stuff |
| 03:12.32 | JeffM2501 | the server code will show you what it expects |
| 03:12.53 | Inferno | what are we helping Flash with? |
| 03:13.04 | blast007 | I also had a full set of "ported" nboPack/nboUnpack functions |
| 03:13.19 | JeffM2501 | a packet loger plugin would be simple |
| 03:13.23 | JeffM2501 | just install 2 callbacks |
| 03:13.27 | JeffM2501 | and format the output |
| 03:13.44 | Flash | ok |
| 03:14.04 | JeffM2501 | the only key on msgEnter is what you can send before you send the enter |
| 03:14.13 | JeffM2501 | like, no chat, or updates, etc.. |
| 03:14.19 | Inferno | oooo, big bugio |
| 03:14.25 | Flash | I'm trying to write a python client (like bzadmin) |
| 03:14.53 | Inferno | I tried writing a perl one, tough stuff |
| 03:15.09 | Inferno | but that was like 5 years ago |
| 03:15.14 | blast007 | heh, and I did a PHP one ;) |
| 03:15.26 | blast007 | well, not a php bzadmin, but a php client library |
| 03:15.32 | Flash | blast007: would you like to share? |
| 03:15.36 | Inferno | was it a web interface or something? |
| 03:15.40 | blast007 | unfortunately not |
| 03:15.47 | JeffM2501 | Flash did you look at the pybzflag client? |
| 03:15.51 | JeffM2501 | it does the login IIRC |
| 03:15.57 | JeffM2501 | and it's done in python |
| 03:16.05 | Flash | I saw a python plugin, but not a client |
| 03:16.12 | JeffM2501 | it's not in the bzflag modlue |
| 03:16.17 | JeffM2501 | it's in the pybzflag module |
| 03:16.21 | Flash | oh. that's why I didn't see it |
| 03:16.22 | JeffM2501 | it's it's own thing |
| 03:17.09 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_CVS#CVS_Modules |
| 03:17.13 | JeffM2501 | that lists the modules |
| 03:17.14 | Inferno | no being a fat fingered 14 yr old around Jeff |
| 03:17.43 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 03:17.58 | Inferno | I'm remembering the first time I logged on, and got kicked |
| 03:18.14 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 03:18.30 | Inferno | and you called me a fat fingered 14 yr old |
| 03:18.32 | Inferno | r something |
| 03:18.41 | JeffM2501 | doubtfull, but whatever |
| 03:18.55 | Inferno | no, serisouly...now where are those logs :P |
| 03:19.02 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't matter |
| 03:19.04 | spldart | Heh... |
| 03:19.04 | a_meteorite | ~logs |
| 03:19.06 | ibot | [logs] http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz |
| 03:19.29 | spldart | I can believe 14 yr old but not fat fingered from jeff ;-) |
| 03:19.39 | JeffM2501 | it was probably a munchkin, cus so far that seems to be your tendency |
| 03:20.57 | JeffM2501 | Flash pybzflag was done for 1.10 |
| 03:21.03 | JeffM2501 | but the login stuff didn't change much |
| 03:21.09 | JeffM2501 | you may just have to change some pack order stuff |
| 03:21.10 | a_meteorite | Is the OBJ format that BZ outputs "standard" (I'm figuring OBJ is one standard...)? |
| 03:21.23 | Flash | well good, I wouldn't want it to be TOO easy |
| 03:21.23 | JeffM2501 | yes it fits the wavefront OBJ specification |
| 03:21.27 | a_meteorite | k |
| 03:21.48 | JeffM2501 | Flash IIRC it also has a bzadmin like component in addition to the graphical client. |
| 03:21.58 | JeffM2501 | but I do know they had it logiing in |
| 03:22.26 | JeffM2501 | it did use twisted, so I don't know how much direct code use you can get, but it should at least give you a thing to follow in a language you are more comfortable with |
| 03:28.24 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: Do you know of any way to convert OBJ to VRML or X3D? I know you could through Blender, but I was looking for an API (but I couldn't find anything). |
| 03:28.53 | a_meteorite | I could of course design once since X3D is just XML, but if it's already been done... :) |
| 03:31.27 | brlcad | brl-cad includes exporters for all three of those, with C API access to the geometry, but no importer exists (for those particular formats, at least) |
| 03:32.24 | a_meteorite | aw |
| 03:36.25 | brlcad | mm.. importers currently for comgeom cy dxf enf euclid fast4 iges jack nastran off patch ply proe stl tankill and viewpoint |
| 03:41.44 | JeffM2501 | many apps do |
| 03:42.11 | a_meteorite | Yeah, applications, but I was thinking along the lines of automating it in a plug-in. |
| 03:43.24 | JeffM2501 | for blender or bzfs? |
| 03:43.33 | menotume | a_meteorite: o/s ? |
| 03:43.50 | menotume | ohh, API |
| 03:43.51 | a_meteorite | So the resulting X3D (or VRML) file can be viewed on a site. |
| 03:44.28 | a_meteorite | Basically an online map previewer. |
| 03:44.35 | menotume | http://web.axelero.hu/karpo/ |
| 03:45.16 | blast007 | weee, shareware |
| 03:45.22 | a_meteorite | Windows only, shareware, and no API. :( |
| 03:45.24 | menotume | ahh, so C++ |
| 03:45.26 | a_meteorite | Yeah. |
| 03:45.56 | a_meteorite | Although that is an impressive app. :) |
| 03:46.04 | menotume | looks good :) |
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| 03:49.07 | spldart | Who would have thought that custom decking out a latest kernel from .org and putting it on a machine it was customized for could be so much fun :) |
| 03:50.22 | a_meteorite | I did find a Perl OBJ to VRML converter though... interesting... |
| 03:51.02 | a_meteorite | I could add API support to get the OBJ map (with a lot of hacking) then execute the perl script. Hackish, but it'd work. :) |
| 03:51.17 | a_meteorite | *with a lot of research |
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| 05:57.26 | brlcad | a_meteorite: a universal geometry converter API in C++ is actually one of our GSoC project ideas if you know anyone interested in applying |
| 05:57.57 | a_meteorite | GSoC? |
| 05:58.14 | a_meteorite | google says that's a university? |
| 06:01.48 | brlcad | ~gsoc |
| 06:01.50 | ibot | somebody said gsoc was the Google Summer of Code, a program run annually by Google to provide (paid for) jobs to students to code on open source projects over summer. See http://code.google.com/soc/ for details. |
| 06:02.03 | a_meteorite | ahh |
| 06:03.56 | brlcad | organizations/projects are selected by google, those groups then publish project ideas that students then can either apply for or submit their own project ideas |
| 06:04.25 | a_meteorite | it'd sure be nice to have a library like that |
| 06:05.12 | brlcad | that library is one of the ideas for BRL-CAD if the mentorship application is accepted |
| 06:05.27 | brlcad | there will be similar projects available for BZFlag if it is accepted |
| 06:06.45 | brlcad | no way bz could really do the universal geometry thing as it requires too much to be done in a summer to just support even one format, but brl-cad certainly has the foundations |
| 06:07.43 | a_meteorite | heh, is that where you got your name? |
| 06:07.44 | brlcad | for bz, some of the current ideas including working on improving the network performance, working on integration of a graphics engine, and working on a headless scriptable AI client |
| 06:07.51 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 06:08.01 | a_meteorite | but it'd still be nice to have a lib like that |
| 06:08.05 | a_meteorite | just for other people |
| 06:08.25 | brlcad | it would be great to have such a library, please apply if you can ;) |
| 06:08.36 | brlcad | or find people that can |
| 06:08.45 | brlcad | and then you might just have it by summer's end ;) |
| 06:08.50 | a_meteorite | I wish I could, but I still don't understand how mesh things work |
| 06:09.25 | a_meteorite | AFAIK, vertexes are points which connect planes... |
| 06:09.35 | a_meteorite | or make planes, however you want to say it |
| 06:09.49 | a_meteorite | but if I see anyone who has those sorts of skills, I'll tell them to apply :) |
| 06:10.24 | brlcad | they don't even really need to understand geometry -- but do need to know how to code relatively well |
| 06:11.01 | brlcad | the code to manage the geometry is already done, they'd be hooking it all into an api that was more like connecting format A to format B, and D to G, and G to B, etc |
| 06:11.38 | a_meteorite | ah, basically what I was going to do |
| 06:11.39 | brlcad | regardless, even for bz.. there are plenty of ideas that can be pitched if you or someone you know are interested in applying |
| 06:12.38 | brlcad | things like http://my.bzflag.org/w/Ideas and more |
| 06:13.16 | a_meteorite | for GSoC or mostly BZFlag? |
| 06:13.27 | a_meteorite | I'd love to contribute code-wise to BZ |
| 06:13.53 | a_meteorite | (well, I think I answered my own question, those are ideas mostly specific to BZ) |
| 06:14.04 | brlcad | either, but particularly to GSoC since submissions will be open for ten days only starting on tuesday |
| 06:14.35 | a_meteorite | hmmm, so GSoC can be used for existing projects? |
| 06:14.46 | a_meteorite | I never caught up on what Google Summer of Code was all about |
| 06:14.53 | brlcad | ehh.. GSoC *is* specific to projects |
| 06:15.01 | brlcad | google pays you to work on bzflag |
| 06:15.07 | a_meteorite | whoa |
| 06:15.13 | brlcad | or on brl-cad, or gentoo, or drupal, etc |
| 06:16.09 | brlcad | groups like bzflag apply .. and we are applying this year .. if we get accepted, google will pay N students to work on bzflag |
| 06:16.36 | a_meteorite | wow, I'd love to appy |
| 06:16.39 | brlcad | and the project ideas are whatever you want really, though we approve/reject them |
| 06:17.12 | brlcad | so since we approve/reject them .. it makes sense to pay attention to what we "hope" and/or want |
| 06:17.31 | a_meteorite | :) |
| 06:18.16 | brlcad | you can apply at http://code.google.com/soc/ starting on *this* wednesday coming up |
| 06:18.47 | brlcad | if bzflag and/or brl-cad are accepted as mentoring organizations, we'll be on the list accepting proposals |
| 06:18.54 | a_meteorite | is there any requirements except willing and knowledgeable to code? |
| 06:19.09 | brlcad | see http://code.google.com/support/bin/topic.py?topic=10442 |
| 06:19.47 | brlcad | basically http://code.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=60279&topic=10730 .. you have to be a student |
| 06:20.23 | a_meteorite | I'm in high school... that's not listed :( |
| 06:21.04 | a_meteorite | I am taking a College Now class |
| 06:21.24 | brlcad | doesn't matter |
| 06:21.30 | a_meteorite | k |
| 06:21.32 | brlcad | you're still a student |
| 06:21.39 | a_meteorite | true :) |
| 06:21.40 | brlcad | just makes it a little harder to get accepted |
| 06:21.50 | a_meteorite | I see |
| 06:22.10 | brlcad | still worth trying, you never know.. depends how much effort you put into your application, your qualifications, and the competition |
| 06:23.01 | a_meteorite | http://code.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=60278&topic=10730 Says I must be 18 years old or older... still doesn't matter? ;) |
| 06:23.41 | brlcad | ahh, there ya go |
| 06:23.57 | a_meteorite | Darn, I'd love to. :( |
| 06:24.05 | brlcad | so yeah.. still doesn't matter if you were in HS .. but 18+ ;) |
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| 06:25.12 | a_meteorite | meh, I can still work on my own time for free :D |
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| 06:31.53 | a_meteorite | I hope you guys get accepted as a mentor |
| 06:36.07 | brlcad | we shall know soon enough |
| 06:36.13 | brlcad | it's a long shot, but worth trying at least |
| 06:36.27 | brlcad | biggest thing we have going against us is that this is a game |
| 06:37.56 | a_meteorite | even though I can't apply I can still do some code work in my free time this summer for BZ |
| 06:38.11 | a_meteorite | sounds like fun even without being a part of GSoC |
| 07:15.05 | Flash | that list looks pretty old. Lots of the ideas are in 2.0.8 already or 2.1 |
| 07:16.43 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 07:16.49 | a_meteorite | and some of those ideas have already been denied before |
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| 07:30.31 | Grace | ..Hello? |
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| 07:31.01 | Linux_Galore | anyone know why sound plays too fast in bzflag |
| 07:31.12 | a_meteorite | hello Grace |
| 07:31.15 | Grace | nope sry |
| 07:31.18 | Grace | Heya =) |
| 07:31.34 | Linux_Galore | if I play wav file with aplay /usr/share/bzflag/whatever.wav the sound it fine |
| 07:31.41 | Linux_Galore | is* |
| 07:31.52 | Linux_Galore | but in bzflag its all hyper and too fast |
| 07:32.03 | Grace | hmm |
| 07:32.13 | a_meteorite | just when you think you're typing to a smart and nice brazilian on IRC, somehow ge gets to a political attack |
| 07:32.39 | Grace | =P |
| 07:32.43 | JeffM2501 | Linux_Galore are you using alsa or osd? |
| 07:32.47 | a_meteorite | and we were talking about culture, go figure |
| 07:32.53 | Linux_Galore | Im trying to figure out a way to configure how bzflag plays a wav file |
| 07:33.15 | JeffM2501 | is your sound system set up to use alsa or OSD? |
| 07:33.16 | Linux_Galore | JeffM2501: I havent defined anything but the system uses alsa |
| 07:33.33 | JeffM2501 | is your SDL built to suport alsa? |
| 07:33.47 | Linux_Galore | JeffM2501: wouldnt have a clue Im on kubuntu |
| 07:34.15 | JeffM2501 | check your sdl package name |
| 07:34.29 | JeffM2501 | there is an alsa package and others |
| 07:34.36 | JeffM2501 | make sure your using the alsa one |
| 07:36.47 | Grace | Jeff, do you ever play BZFlag? |
| 07:37.02 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 07:37.12 | Linux_Galore | JeffM2501: yeah I have the alsa one installed, Im going to try swaping to the arts one as Im running kde |
| 07:37.34 | JeffM2501 | whatever works for ya |
| 07:37.38 | JeffM2501 | sound on linux is "fun" |
| 07:37.45 | JeffM2501 | we just ask SDL to play the souds for us |
| 07:37.59 | JeffM2501 | we can pass in driver and device environ vars, that's about it |
| 07:38.28 | Linux_Galore | well kde 4 will remove allot of the crap thanks to phonon |
| 07:39.25 | JeffM2501 | sure, assuming SDL uses, it, you have kde installed, your card suports it..etc.. :) |
| 07:39.33 | JeffM2501 | they said the same thing when alsa was made :) |
| 07:41.09 | JeffM2501 | tho that looks to be talored to media players, not games |
| 07:41.17 | JeffM2501 | that need to do mixing and 3d and stuff |
| 07:55.37 | Linux_Galore | nothing seems to work by playing the the sdl stuff |
| 07:56.02 | Linux_Galore | I still have bzflag playing wav file at 2x speed |
| 07:56.42 | Linux_Galore | files* |
| 07:57.07 | Linux_Galore | aplay filename.wav though is fine |
| 07:57.43 | JeffM2501 | dunno |
| 07:57.56 | JeffM2501 | are you using a packaged bz? or did you build it from source? |
| 07:58.30 | Linux_Galore | JeffM2501: at first I used the package then I built it myself, bot showed the same problem |
| 07:58.33 | Linux_Galore | both* |
| 07:58.48 | JeffM2501 | when you built it did it make an SDL verison? |
| 07:59.06 | Linux_Galore | yes it saw my sdl stuff |
| 07:59.24 | JeffM2501 | well in the SDL version we just ask SDL to play the stuff |
| 07:59.27 | JeffM2501 | at our bitrate |
| 08:00.10 | Rawk | hmm, I think I may have had this problem before also, but I dunno how it came better |
| 08:00.36 | Linux_Galore | I remember a while back seeing the same bug in the forums |
| 08:00.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah it happens to a lot of nix people |
| 08:01.32 | JeffM2501 | but it works fine for others |
| 08:01.32 | JeffM2501 | usualy works out to be ether issues with the drivers, or the sound system |
| 08:01.47 | Linux_Galore | JeffM2501: when I run configure it just says it will be built with SDL, no specific version info |
| 08:01.56 | JeffM2501 | that's all it normaly says |
| 08:02.22 | Linux_Galore | JeffM2501: well I play heaps of video files and music without this issue |
| 08:02.33 | JeffM2501 | those don't use SDL |
| 08:02.51 | JeffM2501 | they may interface to your driver with OSS emulation |
| 08:02.55 | JeffM2501 | or ESD or somet other system |
| 08:02.58 | JeffM2501 | it's hard to say |
| 08:03.05 | JeffM2501 | alsa offers OSS emulation |
| 08:03.25 | Linux_Galore | Im using a intel audio chipset it fully supported in alsa |
| 08:03.36 | JeffM2501 | if you say so |
| 08:03.56 | Linux_Galore | lol, I dont have to say so Intel patch the drivers in |
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| 08:04.09 | JeffM2501 | I don't doubt that they did |
| 08:04.32 | JeffM2501 | but it comes down to the fact that your sound dosn't work |
| 08:04.38 | Linux_Galore | just weird bzflag is the only app with this issue so far |
| 08:04.50 | JeffM2501 | how many other games do you have that use SDL for sound? |
| 08:05.22 | JeffM2501 | and want a sample rate that is not the same as the sdl default |
| 08:05.53 | JeffM2501 | basicly they sound too fast cus they are 22k sounds, but it's playing them as if they were 44k |
| 08:07.04 | Linux_Galore | hmm |
| 08:07.27 | JeffM2501 | IIRC some users had better luck using the OSS build of SDL, that used the alsa OSS emulation |
| 08:08.38 | Linux_Galore | Im going to wind the sample rate down to 22k |
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| 08:19.46 | Linux_Galore | nope |
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| 09:11.44 | Killer123 | hello |
| 09:12.04 | Rawk | hi Killer123 |
| 09:12.05 | Killer123 | is there any way I can test out a map I created without putting it online? |
| 09:12.13 | Rawk | yes |
| 09:12.46 | Killer123 | how do you do it? |
| 09:13.32 | Rawk | "bzfs -w YOURMAP" is a really simple setup |
| 09:14.17 | Rawk | then run bzflag as well and join localhost at port 5154 |
| 09:16.57 | Killer123 | cheers |
| 09:17.30 | Rawk | Killer123: works now? |
| 09:20.50 | Killer123 | does -q not work? |
| 09:21.40 | Rawk | Killer123: it should work |
| 09:23.44 | Killer123 | kk |
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| 09:31.54 | Killer123 | when creating textures is there a folder it needs uploaded to? It won't work when saved in my documents |
| 09:32.49 | Killer123 | when i start the server it just says cannot load texture |
| 09:33.24 | Rawk | Killer123: have a look in the map file |
| 09:34.23 | Killer123 | ok |
| 09:34.44 | Rawk | Killer123: find a section called material |
| 09:35.21 | Rawk | it should have the word "addtexture" in that section |
| 09:35.48 | Killer123 | it does |
| 09:36.06 | Killer123 | could it be anything to do with the file path having space in it? |
| 09:36.07 | Rawk | and check the path of where it's looking for the texture |
| 09:36.20 | Rawk | it might be wrong |
| 09:36.36 | Killer123 | no it's correct |
| 09:36.55 | Killer123 | do i need to use a sign instead of a space? %20? |
| 09:37.04 | Rawk | well then you'll need to put the correct path in there |
| 09:37.12 | Killer123 | also should the .png be included? |
| 09:38.12 | Rawk | Killer123: are you on windows, linux, or mac? |
| 09:38.19 | Killer123 | widows |
| 09:38.30 | Killer123 | windows* |
| 09:40.02 | Rawk | I'm not so sure about on windows try this: addtexture PATH_TO_TEXTURE\TEXTURE.png |
| 09:40.14 | Killer123 | kk |
| 09:40.52 | Rawk | Killer123: is it an image that comes with bzflag? |
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| 09:43.02 | Killer123 | no it is one i created |
| 09:43.59 | Killer123 | it still keeps on saying cannot load texture |
| 09:45.56 | Rawk | hmm, try using the same path as you see in explorer (to the image) |
| 09:46.09 | ruskie | there might be issues with spaces in paths? or the paths might need to be quoted? |
| 09:46.16 | Killer123 | ok |
| 09:46.46 | Rawk | I don't have to quote paths on linux |
| 09:47.27 | Killer123 | i see |
| 09:47.33 | Rawk | Killer123: check that there's not more than one path that needs to be changed in you world file |
| 09:47.35 | Killer123 | i am still getting no luck |
| 09:49.42 | Rawk | Killer123: you could try the linux way of addressing paths: addtexture /path_to_it/texture.png |
| 09:50.12 | Killer123 | i'll just leave it |
| 09:50.51 | Rawk | Killer123: do you wanna give me a rafb of your world file? |
| 09:51.01 | Rawk | http://www.rafb.net/paste/ |
| 09:52.14 | Killer123 | no it's fine |
| 09:52.24 | Killer123 | thanks for your help anyway |
| 09:52.29 | Rawk | ok, np |
| 09:56.01 | Killer123 | ive got it |
| 09:56.40 | Killer123 | i put the .png file in with the other textures then added it that way |
| 09:57.30 | Rawk | great |
| 09:58.15 | Killer123 | but will that only work on my computer? |
| 09:58.34 | Killer123 | what i mean is will others be able to see it? |
| 09:58.42 | Rawk | Killer123: the server? |
| 09:59.03 | Killer123 | the texture i created as it is not shipped with bzflag |
| 09:59.15 | Rawk | Killer123: no that wont at the moment, I don't think |
| 09:59.27 | Killer123 | kk |
| 09:59.33 | Killer123 | i will give up |
| 09:59.33 | Rawk | *they wont |
| 10:00.54 | Rawk | It's a bit harder to set up an server other people can play on online (I think) |
| 10:01.17 | Killer123 | i have my server online |
| 10:01.56 | Killer123 | i was just wondering when others were playing it if they could see the textures i created |
| 10:02.08 | Rawk | Killer123: oh |
| 10:02.31 | Killer123 | but i wont bother because the ones i made were rubbish |
| 10:02.46 | Killer123 | i was just wanting to see what they would look like |
| 10:11.44 | Killer123 | bye |
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| 11:08.07 | Grace | Pretty quiet here |
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| 11:50.55 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03atupone 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/src/3D/FontManager.cxx: Never draw string for now |
| 12:01.54 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03atupone 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx: HUD box rendered except text and marker |
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| 14:57.30 | donny_baker | ~CBG-- |
| 14:58.57 | CBG | which post this time? |
| 14:59.04 | CBG | my long one about the d-day map? |
| 15:01.48 | SportChick | brlcad: has your box updated for DST? |
| 15:02.04 | donny_baker | CBG: grace PM |
| 15:03.55 | CBG | donny_baker: ah :D |
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| 15:05.25 | donny_baker | SportChick: I would say... no it has not... off by an hour |
| 15:05.44 | SportChick | bleh |
| 15:05.59 | SportChick | if I update my time manually, will it mess up if he updates later? |
| 15:06.17 | donny_baker | i'ld be happy to fix it, but I don't have access to that |
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| 15:06.44 | SportChick | ~wake DTRemenak |
| 15:06.55 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on DTRemenak and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
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| 15:22.52 | spldart | boioioioioinginging |
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| 15:47.50 | brlcad | SportChick: apparently not, .bz pulls time from another remote host and they've not updated yet |
| 15:48.03 | brlcad | as soon as they do, we'll be updated |
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| 16:07.48 | Chestal | uh, mysql down |
| 16:08.15 | menotume | yes |
| 16:09.09 | Chestal | sadly, the server code to detect list server woes obviously cannot detect this problem |
| 16:10.28 | menotume | ok, gonna try to reset it |
| 16:11.12 | menotume | ok, works |
| 16:11.29 | Chestal | yay |
| 16:12.18 | brlcad | mysql apparently didn't like the time getting reset |
| 16:12.28 | brlcad | or rather coincidental |
| 16:12.46 | menotume | hmm, odd |
| 16:13.02 | menotume | the main proc was running (mysql-safe), but nothing else |
| 16:13.12 | brlcad | just installed the new timezone files and activated them |
| 16:14.37 | menotume | cool, so you're in a new timezone |
| 16:14.49 | menotume | left-coast ? |
| 16:15.05 | brlcad | same timezone, new files :) |
| 16:15.10 | menotume | hehe |
| 16:19.30 | Chestal | new daylight saving time rules? |
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| 16:21.44 | ts | brlcad: I would like to have your opinion on this: http://bzflag.bz/~ts/ |
| 16:21.49 | brlcad | Chestal: yes, couple weeks early |
| 16:22.05 | ts | I'm not sure what is going on.. |
| 16:22.23 | brlcad | ts: opinion on what? |
| 16:22.32 | ts | The screenshots |
| 16:22.57 | brlcad | er, jpeg2000 .. hmm |
| 16:23.02 | ts | lagstats look odd |
| 16:23.17 | ts | Want png? |
| 16:24.45 | brlcad | nah, i just had to save them.. browser didn't like |
| 16:25.12 | brlcad | well, my first guess without presuming cheating would be that the book-keeping is wrong |
| 16:25.32 | ts | The entry got 100% loss a few seconds later |
| 16:25.43 | brlcad | either bzfs, or the client is confused |
| 16:25.55 | ts | I asked benji and he saw the same |
| 16:26.05 | brlcad | the "entry"? |
| 16:26.09 | brlcad | the player? |
| 16:26.16 | ts | the line without the player name |
| 16:26.22 | ts | in /lagstats |
| 16:26.36 | ts | Could it be a callsign with unprintable chars? |
| 16:27.16 | brlcad | ahh, i wasn't even looking at that |
| 16:27.26 | brlcad | I was looking at the shot data |
| 16:28.19 | ts | The shot data looks ok for me.. |
| 16:28.24 | brlcad | it could be unprintable, whitespace or just some bug in the slots |
| 16:28.54 | ts | Can't use a space as last char in callsign, IIRC |
| 16:29.14 | blast007 | but it doesn't show up on the scoreboard |
| 16:29.32 | ts | neighter I see a joined line |
| 16:30.13 | ts | I mean at bzfi0356.pj2 you see there is basically nothing between the two /lagstats |
| 16:30.42 | brlcad | it's performing an alphanumeric sort on the lag, not a numeric sort |
| 16:32.29 | brlcad | ts: is it reproducible? |
| 16:32.34 | ts | Whenever there is loss lagstats doesn |
| 16:32.34 | ts | Whenever there is loss lagstats doesn't sort correct |
| 16:32.49 | ts | I have no idea how it happened |
| 16:32.50 | brlcad | even without loss, it's not sorting correctly |
| 16:33.05 | brlcad | look at 935 then 96 for example |
| 16:33.33 | ts | He was away..my guess is not shown packetloss |
| 16:34.04 | brlcad | something fishy in lagCompare |
| 16:35.01 | ts | need to ask the server owner whether he sees something in log..if not I have no idea what is going on |
| 16:35.21 | ts | I mean there is a section filtering out unprintable chars, isn't it? |
| 16:39.53 | brlcad | there is for other stuff, but I don't see any filtering on lagstats |
| 16:40.25 | ts | Hmm, I don't remember where it was but I thought it was for joining. |
| 16:40.29 | brlcad | that queries up the strings and does a sendMessage() which does a sendTextMessage() which should then be a directMessage() .. no filtering |
| 16:41.03 | brlcad | well, this isn't for joining |
| 16:41.23 | brlcad | ideally, it supposedly filtered them on join so they couldn't connect |
| 16:41.25 | brlcad | that is in place |
| 16:41.34 | blast007 | it should have rejected their MsgEnter if they had an unprintable callsign |
| 16:42.14 | brlcad | i more suspect it's some other book keeping issue where a slot seems used, but it's actually been vacated already .. |
| 16:42.39 | brlcad | or maybe counting players that aren't actually joined, etc |
| 16:45.14 | ts | PlayerInfo.cxx isCallsignReadable |
| 16:46.24 | ts | e.g. when I try to join with a 1 char callsign it kicks me out with "Callsigns must to be at least 2 characters." |
| 16:47.14 | brlcad | there may be some case not getting checked, but simply because the lag is rather massive implies something else seems to be going on |
| 16:47.24 | brlcad | not a whitespace/unprintable issue |
| 16:47.52 | Manu | ts: remember earlier was 3 chars and I changed it for you ;) |
| 16:48.46 | ts | Manu: Yes, that is how I found it. I searched the code for where the limitation is |
| 16:49.21 | Manu | but still there are weird things kepping phantom players connected |
| 16:49.47 | Manu | ts: probably you have noticed it after a player was banned |
| 16:50.04 | Manu | you can see how many empty slots are added to the ban message |
| 16:50.11 | Manu | for the same player |
| 16:50.18 | ts | Manu: A few days ago I saw a laser at the right side of the building on viper. There was one player being nr. When he was kicked the laser vanished ;) |
| 16:50.36 | Manu | yes, I saw it earlier too |
| 16:50.47 | Manu | probably laggy player |
| 16:52.06 | Manu | I also have notice for laggy players lasers is alive for longer :( |
| 16:52.16 | Manu | laser* |
| 16:52.57 | blast007 | Manu: ? |
| 16:53.22 | Manu | blast007: what? |
| 16:53.35 | blast007 | the player doesn't control their laser lifetime |
| 16:53.51 | ts | Well, we observed it |
| 16:53.58 | Manu | I know but it looks it |
| 16:54.14 | blast007 | you sure it was a laser? |
| 16:54.28 | Manu | blast007: yes, I see it continuosly |
| 16:54.33 | blast007 | or was it just a line on the radar? |
| 16:54.46 | Manu | not only on the radar |
| 16:55.05 | Manu | I see the laser in the screen for longer time than mine for example |
| 16:55.16 | blast007 | because if they had a SW, and were shooting it and somehow dropped it due to the server taking it, they might generate a stationary bullet that draws a line on the radar |
| 16:55.45 | Manu | no, I mean laser |
| 16:55.49 | Manu | a player with L |
| 16:55.49 | blast007 | k |
| 16:56.08 | Manu | I can difference it pretty well ;) |
| 16:56.27 | blast007 | still, I don't feel it's possible |
| 16:57.48 | ts | brlcad: brad wrote no one joined in server logs, either |
| 16:58.06 | Manu | blast007: when I have L and shoot, it's almost instant, but some players with L shoot and the laser is in the screen for longer than mines |
| 16:58.15 | ts | blast007: There must be a connection somehow |
| 16:58.30 | Manu | also SW has issues |
| 16:58.31 | blast007 | all you get is the MsgShotBegin |
| 16:58.39 | blast007 | then your client determines how long it should lsat |
| 16:58.41 | blast007 | last* |
| 16:58.57 | ts | Or why should the laser end exactly at the same time the player gets kicked for being nr? |
| 16:59.01 | blast007 | or the server does |
| 16:59.08 | ts | and staying 30 seconds there before |
| 16:59.42 | blast007 | did you see a laser in the 3D portion of the world? |
| 17:00.07 | ts | I was on the other side, behind the huge walls |
| 17:00.12 | ts | so couldn't look |
| 17:00.18 | blast007 | okay, then it probably wasn't a laser |
| 17:00.21 | ts | but it turned when I changed my angle |
| 17:00.37 | Manu | blast007: probably can be because an acceleration of my brain.. ;) |
| 17:00.39 | blast007 | it was probably a stationary bullet generated because the player thought they had SW, but the server didn't |
| 17:00.45 | Manu | so all looks slower ;) |
| 17:00.56 | blast007 | so the server changed the SW flag type into a Null flag type |
| 17:01.01 | blast007 | but it didn't adjust the velocity |
| 17:01.09 | blast007 | the client sent a shot velocity of 0 |
| 17:01.41 | blast007 | with shot lines, this causes the radar to generate a line on the radar |
| 17:01.50 | blast007 | one that looks like a laser |
| 17:02.52 | brlcad | ts: why does it feel like you're not listening :) .. I think it's a book keeping issue of some sort |
| 17:03.21 | ts | brlcad: implies doesn't mean it has to be that way :p |
| 17:03.23 | brlcad | not necessariliy someone joining with bogus/filterable data |
| 17:04.14 | brlcad | yes, it doesn't, except everything you keep noting supports what I'd originally said |
| 17:05.16 | ts | seemed like this was there near that time: "Player [6] removed at 2007-03-10 19:59:18: send queue too big" |
| 17:05.17 | brlcad | which is all good and fine, check whatever you like |
| 17:05.39 | ts | IP was listserver |
| 17:06.30 | brlcad | which could be the actual listserver chatter, or someone's script being run (like computing stats, etc) that went haywire |
| 17:06.45 | brlcad | I could see something along those lines messing up the book keeping |
| 17:07.02 | brlcad | since they're before all of the player setup, yet still lock a connection slot |
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| 17:22.01 | Killer123 | hello |
| 17:22.32 | Killer123 | can anyone tell me what ECONNRESET/EPIPE means? |
| 17:23.03 | Killer123 | it says it when my server is running |
| 17:24.47 | brlcad | means something that was connected to your server disconnected abruptly |
| 17:24.56 | brlcad | pretty normal |
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| 17:27.17 | devilgirl | how do i get bots? |
| 17:27.34 | devilgirl | this is xlaurenx131 |
| 17:28.00 | devilgirl | any1? |
| 17:28.01 | brlcad | devilgirl: you can enable auto-pilot and turn your client into a bot |
| 17:28.27 | devilgirl | multiple bots |
| 17:28.39 | JeffM2501 | they are run by the client |
| 17:28.47 | JeffM2501 | who's server are you using them on? |
| 17:28.50 | brlcad | or run bzflag with the -solo option |
| 17:28.59 | devilgirl | how? |
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| 17:29.08 | JeffM2501 | it's a command line option |
| 17:29.16 | JeffM2501 | how you do it depends on your OS |
| 17:29.27 | JeffM2501 | but are you doing them on your server? or on a public one? |
| 17:29.38 | devilgirl | i no how to do it on a mac but not on a P.C |
| 17:29.47 | devilgirl | public |
| 17:29.50 | brlcad | devilgirl: you should be rather careful about running bots on public servers -- good way to get yourself banned if you haven't discussed it with admins first |
| 17:29.59 | devilgirl | i no |
| 17:30.39 | devilgirl | so wat do i do? |
| 17:30.42 | JeffM2501 | by "PC" I assume you mean windows? |
| 17:30.56 | devilgirl | by the way this is xlaurenx131 |
| 17:31.02 | devilgirl | yes |
| 17:31.03 | JeffM2501 | we saw |
| 17:31.08 | JeffM2501 | does it realy mater who you are? |
| 17:31.16 | devilgirl | forget it |
| 17:31.22 | JeffM2501 | you can copy and modify your shortcut |
| 17:31.27 | devilgirl | and no it doesnt sry |
| 17:31.36 | JeffM2501 | then add any command line options after the last set of quotes |
| 17:31.40 | JeffM2501 | in the target field |
| 17:31.43 | devilgirl | idk how to do that |
| 17:32.02 | JeffM2501 | nor type complete sentences it seems |
| 17:32.12 | JeffM2501 | right drag the shortcut |
| 17:32.15 | JeffM2501 | copy it somewhere |
| 17:32.23 | JeffM2501 | right click it and go to properties |
| 17:32.25 | devilgirl | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.34 | JeffM2501 | then you can edit the target field |
| 17:32.41 | devilgirl | grr her (xlaurenx131) |
| 17:32.46 | JeffM2501 | what? |
| 17:32.54 | devilgirl | nvm |
| 17:33.07 | JeffM2501 | please don't waste our time when your asking for help |
| 17:33.15 | devilgirl | is there anybody who has a P.C. |
| 17:33.26 | JeffM2501 | I have many |
| 17:34.10 | donny_baker | devilgirl: JeffM2501 would know, you'll get nothing different from any one else |
| 17:34.38 | JeffM2501 | it's realy simple to do |
| 17:34.38 | devilgirl | xlaurenx is kindof new at this and could use a little help from some1 who has a pc, i have a mac |
| 17:34.40 | brlcad | he's told you want to do other than typing in the file for you |
| 17:34.52 | JeffM2501 | that's all you od |
| 17:34.52 | JeffM2501 | do |
| 17:35.00 | JeffM2501 | copy the shortcut, and edit the target line |
| 17:35.01 | devilgirl | kkk, ill try it |
| 17:35.03 | JeffM2501 | that's IT |
| 17:35.06 | devilgirl | bibi all |
| 17:35.13 | spldart | meh |
| 17:35.14 | JeffM2501 | good lord |
| 17:35.20 | JeffM2501 | please use english, not baby speak |
| 17:35.34 | JeffM2501 | are you 5? |
| 17:35.42 | devilgirl | stop it |
| 17:35.57 | devilgirl | r u 5? |
| 17:36.06 | devilgirl | bibi |
| 17:36.13 | devilgirl | bbl |
| 17:36.23 | gsnedders | you can actually type quicker using proper English than using txt speak. |
| 17:36.51 | JeffM2501 | and be a lot more understandable, and look a lot more intelligent. |
| 17:38.03 | gsnedders | and we can actually read without having to think for ten hours. |
| 17:38.03 | PuMpErNiCkLe | devilgirl -vvvv --LANG=EN_US |
| 17:38.03 | spldart | hehe |
| 17:38.04 | gsnedders | EG_GB, please! |
| 17:38.09 | gsnedders | *EN_GB |
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| 17:38.35 | JeffM2501 | gb would be better then whatever that stuff is |
| 17:39.58 | brlcad | righto good chap |
| 17:40.07 | blast007 | :) |
| 17:40.37 | JeffM2501 | bang on! |
| 17:40.58 | donny_baker | or EN_CA... ok, eh |
| 17:41.06 | DTRemenak | until you realise that your favourite colour is now grey ;) |
| 17:41.08 | JeffM2501 | take off! |
| 17:42.39 | gsnedders | grey++ |
| 17:43.34 | brlcad | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 17:43.49 | DTRemenak | or your tyre goes flat because you hit a kerb and you relize your chequebook was on the fifth storey of a different building |
| 17:44.04 | DTRemenak | realise |
| 17:44.07 | DTRemenak | dawgonnit |
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| 18:02.29 | donny_baker | old/new wiki formatting question - does {{{ on old correspond to <code> in mediawiki syntax? |
| 18:10.20 | TD-Linux | umm |
| 18:10.39 | TD-Linux | we were just adding a space in front to make a box earler... I think there is something better though |
| 18:11.27 | donny_baker | a space is preformated text, which is appropriate |
| 18:12.15 | donny_baker | I am putting it in a single cell table to restrict the "box" to fram the text like this http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZW |
| 18:12.32 | donny_baker | there may be something better, but I haven't found it yet |
| 18:13.07 | TD-Linux | what is our policy on capitalization? |
| 18:13.25 | TD-Linux | I was originally using title case, are we still doing that? |
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| 18:13.42 | donny_baker | no real policy at this point... but mediawiki forces the first letter of a page to caps |
| 18:15.00 | donny_baker | I have seen as the first line of an article on mediawiki correcting it saying the correct "spelling" is meshpyr when the title says "Meshpyr", for example |
| 18:15.19 | TD-Linux | yes |
| 18:15.23 | JeffM2501 | just go with what looks good :) |
| 18:15.30 | TD-Linux | I was referring to 'Map making' verses 'Map Objects' |
| 18:16.00 | donny_baker | hmm should probably be Map Making for consistency |
| 18:16.27 | TD-Linux | I might move that if I have some free time, moving categories isn't automated |
| 18:16.42 | SportChick | brlcad: ok |
| 18:17.09 | brlcad | SportChick: it's fixed now |
| 18:17.19 | SportChick | brlcad: oh? :( not here :( |
| 18:17.30 | SportChick | do I need to refresh irssi somehow? |
| 18:17.32 | brlcad | irssi needs a kick in the pants, don't know how to inform it about the update |
| 18:17.58 | donny_baker | brlcad: get a real client ;) |
| 18:18.06 | brlcad | 13:17 Irssi uptime: 237d 2h 14m 22s |
| 18:18.09 | blast007 | ~lart donny_baker |
| 18:18.40 | blast007 | hehe |
| 18:18.52 | blast007 | only at 33 days here |
| 18:19.12 | brlcad | donny_baker: i'm sure there's probably a way to do it.. and it might just fix itself at midnight, but I've not even looked (nor needed to before now) |
| 18:19.14 | SportChick | brlcad: yeah, I don't wanna restart mine either |
| 18:19.26 | SportChick | 10:19:15 Irssi uptime: 123d 15h 16m 7s |
| 18:19.47 | SportChick | hrm |
| 18:20.08 | blast007 | must be all those scripts |
| 18:20.23 | brlcad | a script, or some filtering she's got going |
| 18:20.46 | SportChick | brlcad: look at your little window all lit up looking for attention :p |
| 18:23.10 | donny_baker | brlcad: seems that irssi has it's own timezone settings, wonder if there is an update |
| 18:23.26 | donny_baker | or maybe you just have to do this : /script exec $ENV{'TZ'}='<nameofyourtimezone>'; |
| 18:23.47 | donny_baker | and it uses the timezone from the OS |
| 18:46.31 | spldart | Battle over cpu time? |
| 18:48.41 | ts | I don't very much pros for letting the IRC agent running on a server instead of the home box :/ |
| 18:48.57 | ts | s/don't/don't see |
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| 18:51.32 | brlcad | ts: server never reboots, can't say the same for home boxes |
| 18:51.57 | ts | yes, I'm saving enery ;) |
| 18:52.01 | brlcad | at least, exceptionally rare to reboot |
| 18:52.18 | ts | but for logs when I'm not online there is ibot |
| 18:52.45 | blast007 | I can't as easily grep ibot :p |
| 18:52.47 | ts | and when the client runs on another box then the logs usually aren't locally saved, either |
| 18:53.06 | brlcad | ibot's not in all the channels I am, nor does it hilight custom things I want it to |
| 18:53.52 | brlcad | not having the logs locally saved is a good thing.. they're automatically backed up by the server and just as accessible as if they were local |
| 18:55.31 | brlcad | plus I can be around for PMs and respond as needed directly instead of having to log back in and see what ibot/memoserv/botmail/whatever might have stored (if they're even aware of those things) |
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| 18:59.48 | ts | That creates way more network traffic in the case one wants a X11 client, not a shell only client |
| 19:00.22 | blast007 | ts: well that would be stupid |
| 19:00.35 | blast007 | if you're going to do that, then do an IRC bouncer |
| 19:01.03 | brlcad | there, the flawed premise is "wanting" an X11 client for something inherintly textual :P |
| 19:02.08 | tupone_laptop | hola brlcad |
| 19:02.22 | ts | brlcad: Hehe but I want a rich client ;) |
| 19:02.26 | ts | Ciao tupone_laptop |
| 19:02.55 | tupone_laptop | guten habend |
| 19:03.14 | blast007 | ts: irssi > X-Chat :) |
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| 19:05.06 | ts | blast007: Clicking on things with a pointer device is so much more intuitive. That's also why MS copied that concept |
| 19:05.45 | blast007 | we're not using MS Word, we're using IRC ;) |
| 19:06.50 | blast007 | and quite a few SSH apps support mouse interaction |
| 19:06.51 | ts | blast007: Don't you run an operating system with a graphical frontend? It could be used without a GUI.. |
| 19:07.30 | CBG | GUI's are great, but there are occasions where they aren't needed/useful |
| 19:07.41 | blast007 | I use the Command Prompt quite often |
| 19:08.09 | blast007 | I'm not going to launch a point and click application to run a ping ;) |
| 19:09.16 | ts | blast007: LOL, there is no real interaction when doing pings :) |
| 19:09.33 | blast007 | and still, this is about IRC |
| 19:09.44 | blast007 | I don't need fancy buttons for IRC |
| 19:09.52 | ts | I do :) |
| 19:10.02 | CBG | It's a matter of preference. |
| 19:10.37 | CBG | I often tease those who recommend irssi to me with "You know, they invented the GUI quite a while ago...". |
| 19:10.53 | SportChick | <3 irssi |
| 19:10.55 | blast007 | CBG: MacIrssi! |
| 19:11.07 | CBG | Colloquy > MacIrssi |
| 19:11.14 | blast007 | except it crashes |
| 19:11.18 | SportChick | irssi > * |
| 19:11.23 | blast007 | well, then again, MacIrssi probably does too |
| 19:11.26 | ts | Colloquy is ******** |
| 19:11.33 | CBG | It hasn't crashed once on my iMac. |
| 19:11.52 | ts | High CPU usage, crashes a lot.. |
| 19:12.11 | CBG | And even on my iBook when it would crash way more than all other software I used put together, I still preferred it over MacIrssi. |
| 19:12.42 | CBG | I never had any such problem, just crashes under certain circumstances. |
| 19:12.52 | ts | SportChick: Colloquy has often almost stalled my entire home machine for minutes |
| 19:13.01 | CBG | And as I said, even _with_ the crashes, it still was the best irc client for _me_. |
| 19:13.13 | ts | Not as bad as a few % more than usual |
| 19:13.26 | SportChick | ts: I was really hiding for brlcad's benefit ;) |
| 19:13.54 | ts | heh |
| 19:17.26 | ts | SportChick: but I'm trying to get a bit more used with irssi to show I'm not totally stubborn ;) |
| 19:18.46 | SportChick | ts: hehe |
| 19:25.10 | CBG | ~blast007++ |
| 19:25.27 | gsnedders | it really does have high CPU usage |
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| 19:40.50 | brlcad | ciao tupone_laptop |
| 19:40.58 | tupone_laptop | :) |
| 19:41.49 | SportChick | tupone_laptop!! |
| 19:42.09 | tupone_laptop | hi SportChick |
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| 20:02.53 | brlcad | SportChick, Manu, and whomever else is runnning irssi on .bz: /script exec $ENV{'TZ'} = 'EST5EDT'; |
| 20:03.18 | Manu | USA time changed? |
| 20:03.22 | Manu | :) |
| 20:03.30 | brlcad | yep |
| 20:03.33 | Manu | I knew |
| 20:03.46 | Manu | not good for windows admins ;) |
| 20:03.56 | brlcad | unless you have TZ set to your local time of course .. then can leave it :) |
| 20:04.07 | Manu | no, I have your local timezone :) |
| 20:04.25 | brlcad | I only updated the northamerican timezones if your local one has changed in the last year or two too ;) |
| 20:04.37 | brlcad | lemme know and I'll update them all if needed |
| 20:04.58 | Manu | script executed |
| 20:05.09 | Manu | one hour back :) |
| 20:05.14 | brlcad | takes a minute to update |
| 20:05.19 | Manu | it's done |
| 20:05.46 | Manu | 16:05 here now ;) |
| 20:05.46 | brlcad | yeah, that's right |
| 20:05.47 | brlcad | 4pm |
| 20:05.50 | Manu | 9:05 pm here ;) |
| 20:06.22 | brlcad | really.. nift.. right on GMT or -1? |
| 20:06.31 | Manu | utc+1 :) |
| 20:06.39 | brlcad | er, +1, yeah |
| 20:06.39 | brlcad | :) |
| 20:06.52 | Manu | all european time |
| 20:09.43 | blast007 | and godaddy DNS and yahoo mail are both done...wonder if it's related to DST :P |
| 20:09.46 | blast007 | down* |
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| 20:22.36 | donny_baker | TD-Linux: Categories, Map Editors and Map Making moved |
| 20:23.03 | donny_baker | TD-Linux: 50+ edits today... it has been fun |
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| 20:54.58 | bryjen | ~bzfquery bzflag.ziadora.net:5154 |
| 20:55.36 | bryjen | hmm. that server shows 48 players at http://my.bzflag.org/serverlist.php , but it is empty |
| 20:56.20 | brad | heh |
| 20:56.42 | brad | my 2.1 servers shows 8 players although it's empty |
| 20:56.48 | brad | ~bzflist |
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| 20:56.55 | ts_ | brjyen: ibot has not been updated to read the new servers |
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| 20:57.18 | ts_ | bug tim ;) |
| 20:57.33 | bryjen | looks like the code for the web page is reading it wrong too |
| 20:57.44 | brad | strayer's site can do 2.1 servers properly already |
| 20:57.55 | ts_ | Listing of players has changed in 2.1 |
| 20:58.40 | ts_ | e.g. look at brad.bz:1337 which shows up on mbo as 8 obs but there is only 1 |
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| 21:35.20 | Chestal | what is the procedure if someone forgot their password for the forums? |
| 21:35.37 | ndim | Yeah, I wonder. |
| 21:35.46 | brad | get a new one sent to their email address |
| 21:35.53 | ndim | I forgot which email address I used. |
| 21:35.57 | ndim | :) |
| 21:36.03 | a_meteorite | check them all :) |
| 21:37.20 | ndim | a_meteorite: I guess so. It'll be easier to check all my old hard disks, though. |
| 21:37.20 | a_meteorite | hah |
| 21:37.20 | a_meteorite | my problem is I forget how many e-mail addresses I have, not which goes to which |
| 21:40.42 | JeffM2501 | Chestal they click the "i forgot my password" link when they try to log in |
| 21:41.18 | ndim | JeffM2501: That requires knowing the correct email address. |
| 21:43.27 | ndim | Oh. |
| 21:43.36 | JeffM2501 | if you dont' remember that, then you should not change your e-mail accounts so often ;) |
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| 22:07.57 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03atupone 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/src/3D/ (7 files): Using CS font renderer (only bitmap) |
| 22:09.36 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03atupone 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx: Drawing label of box (angle and height) |
| 22:10.27 | a_meteorite | CS? |
| 22:10.45 | a_meteorite | what's CS stand for in reference to a CS 2.0 branch? |
| 22:11.15 | tupone_laptop | Crystal Space |
| 22:11.32 | a_meteorite | really? that's a weird name |
| 22:11.53 | tupone_laptop | http://www.crystalspace3d.org |
| 22:11.55 | blast007 | a_meteorite: go google Crystal Space |
| 22:11.59 | blast007 | nvm :) |
| 22:12.10 | a_meteorite | oh, it's a 3D engine |
| 22:12.22 | a_meteorite | I remember an idea about using OGRE |
| 22:13.07 | tupone_laptop | if you want to use OGRE, code it :) |
| 22:13.34 | a_meteorite | lol |
| 22:13.47 | tupone_laptop | I started with one randomly chosen |
| 22:14.02 | tupone_laptop | OGRE, CS, OSG |
| 22:14.07 | JeffM2501 | tupone_laptop just out of curiostity did you ever look at irrlicht? |
| 22:14.38 | tupone_laptop | not deeply, but I get is for interior. Maybe I'm wrong |
| 22:15.11 | JeffM2501 | it started out as being just a quaker but it is more so now |
| 22:15.12 | tupone_laptop | the one who seems impressive is OSG |
| 22:15.20 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 22:16.08 | tupone_laptop | but CS too, so I have to start with one, I cannot wait to analyze them all. And to analyze I need to work with it, so is a kind of dead lock |
| 22:17.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:17.17 | JeffM2501 | I know the feeling |
| 22:17.35 | tupone_laptop | and I'm in touch with the community, CS is in gentoo, and they seems friendly :) |
| 22:18.23 | tupone_laptop | I had compiled in my machine to test if good, uploaded at gentoo, and then started this crazy things :) |
| 22:20.13 | tupone_laptop | Today I was able to write some text with bitmap. I will not spend too much time on it, as I know it has to be replaced with a CEGUI, unless someone want to step on it |
| 22:20.43 | tupone_laptop | I will try to put whatever is needed to play |
| 22:21.30 | tupone_laptop | Now I use "bzflag in-league.bzflag.eu -team=observer" to test it . Change your preferred server :) |
| 22:21.35 | a_meteorite | is the CS branch "useable"? |
| 22:22.02 | tupone_laptop | not yet, you will see strange things, all the tanks are just black box for now |
| 22:22.10 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 22:22.33 | a_meteorite | well, I'll get CS and compile the CS BZ branch :) |
| 22:23.13 | tupone_laptop | I use it, but just for seeing the progress. I can interface with a normal server, but the world is empty now, except these tanks^boxes |
| 22:23.54 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 22:24.18 | a_meteorite | sounds very alpha |
| 22:24.19 | tupone_laptop | where is our wiki? |
| 22:24.25 | a_meteorite | my.bzflag.org/wiki |
| 22:25.26 | tupone_laptop | http://my.bzflag.org/w/CrystalSpace_client |
| 22:28.31 | tupone_laptop | it is alpha, but in 3/4 months will be very playable I guess |
| 22:29.03 | a_meteorite | interesting |
| 22:31.48 | tupone_laptop | if you are interested to help and you have some skill you can look at the "world" file, understand it, and fix. You can navigate it with a CS utility called walktest |
| 22:33.41 | tupone_laptop | that is assumed to be an empty world, filled with elements coming from the server, and tanks/shot coming from the client. You can put there something like sky, mountains, terrain ... |
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| 22:41.01 | a_meteorite | ~seen daniel_jackson |
| 22:41.23 | ibot | daniel_jackson <n=bsanford@cpe-66-74-198-10.san.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 16h 48m 17s ago, saying: 'well I'll let it rest for one night'. |
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| 22:50.37 | Destroyer | hi guys! |
| 22:50.43 | a_meteorite | hey |
| 22:50.48 | blast007 | hi |
| 22:53.37 | brlcad | some initial details stubbed out, http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code |
| 22:54.18 | brlcad | feel free to add more or make comments .. remember that tasks should be entirely doable by a CS student within roughly 2 months |
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| 23:21.48 | Chickin | hi all |
| 23:21.53 | blast007 | hello |
| 23:21.58 | Chickin | sup? |
| 23:22.02 | Bluer | hello! |
| 23:22.11 | Chickin | hey jeff |
| 23:22.34 | Chickin | how do i know whoes online? |
| 23:22.54 | Chickin | well? |
| 23:23.08 | brad | ask a question and see if anyone replies |
| 23:23.43 | blast007 | we're all online |
| 23:23.45 | Chickin | how do i know whoes online? |
| 23:23.49 | Chickin | oh wow.... |
| 23:23.49 | blast007 | some might not just be at the computer |
| 23:23.52 | blast007 | there is a userlist |
| 23:24.06 | Chickin | dang... thats a lot of ppl |
| 23:25.11 | Chickin | hey theme |
| 23:25.40 | Chickin | theme97.... i am talking to you.... |
| 23:25.51 | blast007 | he's probably not here right now |
| 23:25.57 | Chickin | *goast music* |
| 23:26.06 | Chickin | darn |
| 23:26.32 | blast007 | got a question at all? |
| 23:26.39 | Chickin | are you all PMing? |
| 23:26.45 | blast007 | no |
| 23:26.51 | Chickin | oh... |
| 23:26.56 | blast007 | we don't all sit here |
| 23:27.01 | JeffM2501 | IRC isn't IM, it dosn't show idleness |
| 23:27.04 | Chickin | MAN YOUR QUIT! |
| 23:27.12 | blast007 | ? |
| 23:27.20 | Chickin | nobody is talking |
| 23:27.25 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 23:27.29 | Chickin | no conversations... |
| 23:27.33 | JeffM2501 | o |
| 23:27.36 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 23:27.36 | Chickin | jeff your here sweet |
| 23:27.54 | blast007 | gotta love the CGI:IRC lag time |
| 23:28.04 | JeffM2501 | if you say so |
| 23:28.26 | Chickin | uh... so your the "master" admin of bzflag, no? |
| 23:28.31 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 23:28.45 | Chickin | oh... :\ |
| 23:29.12 | JeffM2501 | as stated on the main site, readme, and copyright notices, the maintainer of the project is Tim Riker |
| 23:29.38 | Chickin | but he is never on so... that leaves you. ah ha! |
| 23:29.49 | Chickin | is he? |
| 23:29.50 | JeffM2501 | he is on IRC nearly every day |
| 23:29.56 | Chickin | oh wow...... |
| 23:29.58 | blast007 | how would you know he is never on if you are never here? |
| 23:30.01 | JeffM2501 | his activity is less now then it used to be |
| 23:30.08 | Chickin | i have irc but i don't know how to use it... :( |
| 23:30.13 | JeffM2501 | but that dosn't change his ownership of the project. |
| 23:30.20 | blast007 | you're using it right now |
| 23:30.35 | blast007 | just in a really crappy client interface |
| 23:31.29 | Chickin | ah... |
| 23:31.52 | Chickin | i take that back what i said aboiut having irc i HAD irc... |
| 23:32.10 | Chickin | is there a way not to pay 20 bucks? |
| 23:32.16 | Chickin | to have it? |
| 23:32.31 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 23:32.32 | JeffM2501 | many ways |
| 23:32.38 | JeffM2501 | I assume your talking about x chat? |
| 23:32.39 | Chickin | and one is..... |
| 23:32.54 | Chickin | i had mIRC |
| 23:33.03 | JeffM2501 | 1) get MIRC, 2) get a build of xchat from another place then the normal xchat place |
| 23:33.17 | JeffM2501 | 3) use one of the other IRC clients |
| 23:33.19 | JeffM2501 | like chatzilla |
| 23:33.22 | Chickin | uh.... ya lost me |
| 23:33.22 | JeffM2501 | or trillan |
| 23:33.22 | brad | silverex.org/news/ |
| 23:33.36 | Chickin | trillien? |
| 23:33.37 | JeffM2501 | it's not hard to loose you when you don't know where you are. |
| 23:33.50 | blast007 | mIRC is shareware too |
| 23:33.55 | Chickin | wow i dindn't knonw trillan had irc |
| 23:34.29 | Chickin | can you give me a link? |
| 23:34.36 | JeffM2501 | www.google.com |
| 23:34.42 | Chickin | to MIR2 |
| 23:34.46 | JeffM2501 | www.google.com |
| 23:34.49 | Chickin | MIRC* |
| 23:34.52 | JeffM2501 | www.google.com |
| 23:34.55 | Chickin | uh yea.... |
| 23:35.05 | JeffM2501 | it ain't rocket science |
| 23:38.05 | *** join/#bzflag Chickin (n=40e9ad56@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 23:38.56 | Chickin | all i found was mIRC no MIRC. and do i just re download it? |
| 23:39.14 | JeffM2501 | depends on what you want in an IRC client |
| 23:39.24 | JeffM2501 | if you want MIRC< then you get MIRC |
| 23:39.37 | JeffM2501 | personally I prefer xchat |
| 23:39.42 | a_meteorite | Chickin: think about if mIRC and MIRC are the same thing |
| 23:39.46 | Chickin | i want a basic IRC client... |
| 23:40.03 | Chickin | ah thanks met |
| 23:40.12 | JeffM2501 | then pick one of them |
| 23:40.40 | Chickin | but i had mIRC and it says i gotta pay 20 dollars to be able to use it |
| 23:40.41 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.44 | JeffM2501 | MIRC requires reg, xchat is provided for free from a number of places |
| 23:40.54 | JeffM2501 | yes, MIRC is shareware |
| 23:40.56 | JeffM2501 | others arn't |
| 23:41.00 | JeffM2501 | like chatzilla |
| 23:41.06 | JeffM2501 | and xchat |
| 23:41.11 | JeffM2501 | and trillian |
| 23:41.12 | Chickin | ah so i shoudl search "xchat"? |
| 23:41.19 | a_meteorite | google is your friend, Chickin |
| 23:41.36 | a_meteorite | google "free x-chat" and look at the first result. read from there. |
| 23:41.39 | Chickin | yea i know that.... (i have every thing they have to download) |
| 23:41.44 | JeffM2501 | Chickin if you seriously have to ask that, then IRC is beyond you man. |
| 23:41.45 | Chickin | ok |
| 23:41.49 | JeffM2501 | think a little |
| 23:42.25 | a_meteorite | sheesh |
| 23:42.49 | CBG | I read that Chickens were really thick... I just stopped wondering whether it was true or not. |
| 23:43.06 | CBG | This one can't even spell it's name right. |
| 23:43.22 | L4m3r | thats "its" CBG |
| 23:43.28 | L4m3r | that's* |
| 23:43.32 | brlcad | heh |
| 23:43.34 | JeffM2501 | canon balls are pretty dense too |
| 23:43.36 | blast007 | L4m3r: hehe, pwned yourself |
| 23:44.00 | CBG | L4m3r: yeah, I' know, dun'no why I u'sed an a'postrophe the're. |
| 23:44.05 | *** join/#bzflag Chickin (n=42bfa3bc@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 23:44.09 | brlcad | so much self-righteousness |
| 23:44.17 | Chickin | ok i got xhcat |
| 23:44.27 | Chickin | i got xchat |
| 23:44.27 | brlcad | yet you're not using it apparently |
| 23:44.29 | L4m3r | lol@jeff |
| 23:44.32 | Chickin | gah lag... |
| 23:44.34 | CBG | JeffM2501: ;) |
| 23:45.21 | a_meteorite | Chickin: it is called an installer for a reason |
| 23:45.52 | Chickin | what network is the bzflag theng on? |
| 23:45.58 | Chickin | thing* |
| 23:46.00 | blast007 | freenode |
| 23:46.28 | a_meteorite | irc.freenode.net:6667 #bzflag |
| 23:46.28 | L4m3r | seriously though, is there a really good irc client for windows? I didn't like mirc or xchat or chatzilla or hydrairc |
| 23:46.35 | CBG | that leaves... irssi |
| 23:46.38 | blast007 | L4m3r: irssi in cygwin |
| 23:46.42 | a_meteorite | L4m3r: I don't think so, each has their own peculiarities... |
| 23:46.45 | JeffM2501 | then it depends on what you mean by "good" |
| 23:46.53 | blast007 | I liked mIRC |
| 23:47.29 | Chickin | i am looking in the network list but it doas not have #bzflag or irc.freenode.net:6667 #bzflag |
| 23:47.37 | a_meteorite | /join #bzflag |
| 23:47.38 | JeffM2501 | it has freenode |
| 23:47.41 | JeffM2501 | as a network |
| 23:47.44 | Chickin | ah thx |
| 23:48.10 | L4m3r | maybe I'll just keep praying that QT makes it to windows, so Konversation can be ported over :P |
| 23:48.21 | blast007 | :) |
| 23:48.38 | JeffM2501 | run linux in a little virtual machine |
| 23:49.04 | a_meteorite | hmm, Konversation looks surprisingly a lot like X-Chat |
| 23:49.18 | CBG | L4m3r: just use another OS |
| 23:49.25 | CBG | or would that confuse the gf? |
| 23:49.57 | blast007 | "Where did Minesweeper go?" |
| 23:50.02 | L4m3r | most of the time just run debian |
| 23:50.22 | L4m3r | but for the rare occasion that I do use windows, a client would be nice |
| 23:50.39 | *** join/#bzflag Theme97_ (n=Theme97@about/essy/phpwriter/Theme97) |
| 23:50.48 | CBG | blast007: hey hey, Windows has solitaire too! |
| 23:50.53 | L4m3r | gf doesn't mind too much... the only thing she had trouble with was finding a browser |
| 23:51.06 | blast007 | L4m3r: run a secondary machine with linux, and use X11 forwarding ;) |
| 23:51.20 | blast007 | ...or just use the secondary machine.. |
| 23:51.26 | blast007 | guess that works too |
| 23:51.28 | L4m3r | lol |
| 23:51.35 | L4m3r | that's what I do now, mostly |
| 23:51.40 | CBG | heck, just get 7 machines and run a different OS on each. |
| 23:51.51 | Chickin | i tryed /join #bzflag |
| 23:51.53 | CBG | a different one for each day of the week |
| 23:51.54 | blast007 | but it was cool to see Konqueror running on my XP system |
| 23:51.59 | L4m3r | IRC on laptop (in debian) and desktop for whatever I'm actually doing |
| 23:52.11 | CBG | Ahh, Monday - Gentoo it is. |
| 23:52.18 | CBG | Tuesday? Tiger. |
| 23:52.21 | Chickin | " Not connected. Try /server <host> [<port>]" |
| 23:52.28 | Bluer | Plan 9 is still unusable as a desktop, is it? |
| 23:52.29 | blast007 | Chickin: connect to freenode |
| 23:52.31 | JeffM2501 | Chickin connect to a server first |
| 23:52.34 | Chickin | tryed... |
| 23:52.37 | CBG | Chickin: so do /server irc.freenode.net |
| 23:52.38 | JeffM2501 | Chickin and real the instructions on the thing |
| 23:52.43 | JeffM2501 | read even |
| 23:53.18 | brlcad | interesting, we recently passed 1.5 million downloads recently |
| 23:53.41 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 23:53.42 | brlcad | and that's without making frequent releases.. imaginate! |
| 23:54.03 | *** join/#bzflag chickin (n=chickin@66-191-163-188.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) |
| 23:54.09 | brlcad | ~chickin++ |
| 23:54.10 | blast007 | there ya go |
| 23:54.15 | JeffM2501 | amazing |
| 23:54.23 | chickin | yay! |
| 23:54.28 | chickin | no lag sweet |
| 23:54.32 | CBG | wowza |
| 23:54.39 | JeffM2501 | welcome to the real world |
| 23:54.43 | chickin | ... :/ |
| 23:54.44 | L4m3r | brlcad: recently passed 1.5M recently? |
| 23:54.48 | CBG | No, Jeff, this is IRC. |
| 23:54.57 | L4m3r | I do that a lot :P |
| 23:54.58 | chickin | NOT real world |
| 23:54.58 | JeffM2501 | the real IRC |
| 23:54.59 | CBG | The real world is out _there_. o.O |
| 23:55.06 | blast007 | welcome to the matrix! |
| 23:55.07 | JeffM2501 | IRC is part of the real world |
| 23:55.12 | blast007 | you will be assimulated |
| 23:55.16 | *** join/#bzflag Grace (n=ca07b782@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 23:55.16 | brlcad | how's the red pill taste? |
| 23:55.21 | JeffM2501 | yeah whatever |
| 23:55.24 | chickin | don't you mean "ThErE" |
| 23:55.30 | L4m3r | blast007: YOUR ASS WILL BE LAMINATED! |
| 23:55.32 | blast007 | brlcad: a bit salty, but good |
| 23:55.40 | brlcad | blast007: yep yep |
| 23:55.52 | *** join/#bzflag Sir_Pants_ (n=spencerl@67-42-80-2.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 23:55.52 | blast007 | is it bad if I took the blue one too? |
| 23:56.01 | blast007 | I sorta grabbed them both, was really hungry |
| 23:56.13 | CBG | I took the multi coloured one, will I die? |
| 23:56.14 | chickin | XCHAT IS NICE... |
| 23:56.22 | CBG | ALL CAPS IS GAY |
| 23:56.23 | blast007 | caps lock isn't... |
| 23:56.30 | chickin | SO? |
| 23:56.32 | brlcad | L4m3r: yes recently yes ;) |
| 23:56.33 | JeffM2501 | don't |
| 23:56.37 | JeffM2501 | just don't |
| 23:57.18 | chickin | do you guys ev er actuly talk about bzflag? |
| 23:57.25 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 23:57.28 | blast007 | "bzflag" |
| 23:57.28 | chickin | wow... |
| 23:57.31 | blast007 | there, we talked about it |
| 23:57.44 | L4m3r | >bzflag |
| 23:57.44 | chickin | that was shart |
| 23:57.50 | L4m3r | oh wait, wrong channel |
| 23:57.50 | brlcad | CBG, you're trying to share something about yourself with us? |
| 23:57.58 | CBG | remember that time we had some flags in a battle zone? no? ok. |
| 23:58.07 | CBG | brlcad: you didn't hear? |
| 23:58.22 | brlcad | apparently not |
| 23:58.29 | chickin | whats the bar in the bottom right corner do? |
| 23:58.30 | CBG | I have already shared it with many. |
| 23:58.40 | CBG | chickin: it is your health |
| 23:58.47 | CBG | if you annoy us, we lower your health |
| 23:58.53 | CBG | eventually you will die |
| 23:58.57 | chickin | whats dunb... |
| 23:59.03 | CBG | when that happens, you join efnet |
| 23:59.13 | chickin | thats dumb* |
| 23:59.56 | JeffM2501 | chickin this isn't a channel to teach you how to use xchat |