| 00:00.17 | TimRiker | I don't have any confirmed reports of anyone else running BZFlag on an Xbox, and now that I've done it I would recommend nobody else tries it. |
| 00:00.26 | brlcad | hah |
| 00:00.35 | blast007 | :) |
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| 00:01.00 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v Tupone] by ChanServ |
| 00:01.09 | brlcad | ciao Tupone |
| 00:01.10 | TimRiker | there is an open source 3d nvidia driver project starting up. if that ever supports the xbox, I'll change my opinion in a heartbeat. |
| 00:01.19 | Tupone | hola brlcad |
| 00:01.58 | TimRiker | cc1plus: warnings being treated as errors |
| 00:01.58 | TimRiker | bzfsAPI.cxx:76: warning: unused parameter ‘URL’ |
| 00:01.58 | TimRiker | bzfsAPI.cxx: In function ‘unsigned int bz_getTeamPlayerLimit(bz_eTeamType)’: |
| 00:01.58 | TimRiker | bzfsAPI.cxx:964: warning: declaration of ‘team’ shadows a global declaration |
| 00:01.58 | TimRiker | bzfs.h:122: warning: shadowed declaration is here |
| 00:03.27 | Tupone | I think shadowed warning detection should be removed, as on optimize we get a lot of warning from things out of our control, like STL template |
| 00:04.01 | TimRiker | well, that one is in our control. |
| 00:04.11 | TimRiker | ditto the unused URL |
| 00:05.28 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx: quell URL warning and ws |
| 00:06.18 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx: quell shadow var warning |
| 00:06.45 | TimRiker | DynamicColor.cxx: In member function 'void DynamicColor::finalize()': |
| 00:06.46 | TimRiker | DynamicColor.cxx:230: warning: comparison is always false due to limited range of data type |
| 00:09.32 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/game/DynamicColor.cxx: quell type warning, cast enum to int |
| 00:10.33 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: you comment seems correct. |
| 00:10.57 | TimRiker | s/you/your/ |
| 00:11.03 | JeffM2501 | huhwhat? |
| 00:11.26 | TimRiker | I note broken things, and brlcad fixes them in cvs. it's neat. |
| 00:11.31 | brlcad | heh |
| 00:11.39 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/game/DynamicColor.cxx: ws & formatting |
| 00:11.42 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 00:11.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah he's cool like that |
| 00:12.09 | TimRiker | ok, trying a non-debug build first... |
| 00:12.40 | brlcad | woot |
| 00:13.28 | TimRiker | ~beer brlcad |
| 00:13.40 | ibot | ACTION pulls out a fine Yuengling Lager for brlcad |
| 00:13.59 | brlcad | mmmm |
| 00:20.12 | L4m3r | bzbb down? |
| 00:20.41 | CBG | no, it just flew away with the fairies. |
| 00:20.51 | CBG | you could say it's 'up'. |
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| 00:21.58 | learner | hmm |
| 00:22.03 | *** join/#bzflag learner (n=sean@barley.cs.jhu.edu) |
| 00:22.25 | learner | ~ping bzflag.bz |
| 00:22.35 | ibot | pong bzflag.bz |
| 00:23.15 | learner | seem to have lost a route |
| 00:23.42 | blast007 | ~ping everybody |
| 00:23.44 | ibot | pong everybody |
| 00:24.15 | learner | ~bzfls |
| 00:24.16 | ibot | well, bzfls is see "bzflist""bzflist17" to query it here |
| 00:24.24 | learner | ~bzflist |
| 00:24.37 | learner | arf |
| 00:26.47 | learner | was anyone doing anything interactive or can otherwise tell what's up from your end? |
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| 00:30.33 | blast007 | learner: trace route gets to "Lightspeed-IP-Inc-Triple-8.ge-3-0-0.ar2.TPA1.gblx.net [64.214.175.194]" and can't get past that |
| 00:33.29 | learner | that's what I see here too |
| 00:36.24 | learner | *sniff* |
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| 00:38.47 | randomparticle | list server has gone awol |
| 00:38.55 | blast007 | yup |
| 00:38.57 | view | so have the forums |
| 00:39.00 | razeryan | why? |
| 00:39.02 | CBG | server's down. |
| 00:39.08 | razeryan | GLOBALS down!! |
| 00:39.10 | blast007 | actually the server is probably up |
| 00:39.21 | razeryan | global is in fact gone |
| 00:39.22 | blast007 | might just be the network for the server is down ;) |
| 00:39.26 | razeryan | ppfff |
| 00:39.33 | razeryan | either way |
| 00:39.33 | blast007 | razeryan: yeah, global login, forum, list server, same server |
| 00:39.41 | razeryan | oh |
| 00:39.43 | razeryan | hehe |
| 00:39.46 | inchworm | nuttin like redundancy |
| 00:39.49 | razeryan | well either way we cant play bz |
| 00:39.51 | CBG | razeryan: yes, we just established that |
| 00:39.53 | CBG | blast007: as far as the end user is concerened, it's down. |
| 00:39.56 | razeryan | rofl |
| 00:40.00 | razeryan | im slow gimme a break |
| 00:40.01 | randomparticle | how do servers know my callsign is registered when global login isn't working? |
| 00:40.23 | view | razeryan: you can play as long as you remember the server and port of a server |
| 00:40.25 | razeryan | if u register at my.bzflag.org/bb then u r globally registered |
| 00:40.25 | Theme97 | razeryan: yes we can! |
| 00:40.33 | razeryan | nhiya theme |
| 00:40.42 | razeryan | btw i love your abilities server |
| 00:40.46 | Theme97 | ty. |
| 00:40.54 | razeryan | its simply genius |
| 00:40.57 | razeryan | really |
| 00:41.06 | razeryan | i nvr woulda thought of that |
| 00:41.09 | razeryan | idea |
| 00:41.14 | razeryan | but map lacks... |
| 00:41.30 | razeryan | i liked it when it was on bzfx |
| 00:41.36 | razeryan | that was goo |
| 00:41.43 | razeryan | anyway |
| 00:41.46 | CBG | dude, shush |
| 00:42.01 | razeryan | any1 know how long it takes til the server is back up? |
| 00:42.04 | razeryan | sry |
| 00:42.22 | razeryan | ~bonk CBG |
| 00:42.23 | ibot | ACTION bonks CBG over the head |
| 00:42.27 | razeryan | dont be mean |
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| 00:42.55 | CBG | speed of server coming back is indirectly proportional to the amount of talk here. |
| 00:43.26 | inchworm | indirectly proportional? |
| 00:43.41 | inchworm | pfft |
| 00:43.49 | view | it's back |
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| 00:46.12 | learner | pingable again |
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| 00:48.12 | Theme97 | razeryan: know why it's not on boxy war anymore? |
| 00:48.12 | brlcad | woot |
| 00:48.19 | brlcad | "There was a problem with the switch that has been resolved by the IP Engineering department, your server was not rebooted but is currently online and responsive to my ping requests." |
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| 00:55.23 | view | I think it's down again. |
| 00:59.00 | blast007 | ditto |
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| 01:06.17 | razeryan | GLOBAL'S DOWN AGAIN! |
| 01:06.17 | view | ok, I compiled bzflag from cvs, and I'm getting a "no fonts" error when I try to run it |
| 01:06.25 | razeryan | gah |
| 01:06.28 | razeryan | i hate this |
| 01:06.34 | razeryan | i cant play anymore |
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| 01:07.08 | JeffM2501 | razeryan, the problem is known, and being worked on. |
| 01:07.14 | razeryan | ooohh |
| 01:07.21 | JeffM2501 | view, on what OS? |
| 01:07.24 | razeryan | well it went up 4 a sec now its down again |
| 01:07.25 | view | os x |
| 01:07.34 | JeffM2501 | razeryan, we know |
| 01:07.34 | razeryan | ok |
| 01:07.35 | razeryan | how? |
| 01:07.44 | JeffM2501 | view, you build using xcode or command line? |
| 01:07.49 | razeryan | do u run the server? |
| 01:07.50 | view | command line |
| 01:07.51 | JeffM2501 | razeryan, the owner of the server is here |
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| 01:07.56 | razeryan | yay |
| 01:07.58 | razeryan | whos that? |
| 01:08.14 | view | I think I just have to move the fonts directory to the right spot |
| 01:08.18 | JeffM2501 | view, then you need to ether use the -directory option, or put the executables into a package |
| 01:08.28 | JeffM2501 | the OS X version assumes it's all run from a package |
| 01:08.34 | razeryan | try the first one |
| 01:08.35 | razeryan | :P |
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| 01:08.42 | JeffM2501 | razeryan him ^^ |
| 01:08.45 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o brlcad] by ChanServ |
| 01:08.57 | brlcad | well that was annoying |
| 01:09.02 | JeffM2501 | view, if you build with xcode it'll do that step for you automaticly |
| 01:09.16 | JeffM2501 | command line does a linux type build, and dosn't pack it up for OSX |
| 01:09.21 | view | alright, but I dunno how to build it with xcode :p |
| 01:09.29 | razeryan | ouch |
| 01:09.32 | JeffM2501 | what version did you build? |
| 01:09.39 | brlcad | apparently the router failed again and was switched over.. hopefully it stays up longer than a couple minutes this time |
| 01:09.45 | view | hmm.. 2.0.9 I think? |
| 01:09.47 | razeryan | hehe |
| 01:09.56 | razeryan | brlcad do u own the server? |
| 01:10.05 | JeffM2501 | you can probalby just take the bzflag executable and put it in a 2.0.8 package |
| 01:10.10 | JeffM2501 | razeryan, you doubt me? |
| 01:10.11 | view | alright |
| 01:10.28 | razeryan | rofl |
| 01:10.30 | razeryan | i do now |
| 01:10.32 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure you are |
| 01:10.33 | brlcad | depending on which version of the xcode project, you might/should run autogen.sh on the command line regardless before attempting the compile |
| 01:10.43 | razeryan | oof |
| 01:10.50 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, he's allrady built, just has the resource dir problem |
| 01:10.55 | brlcad | ah |
| 01:11.03 | razeryan | yeah that :P |
| 01:11.14 | razeryan | ive got no idear whats goin on :P |
| 01:11.18 | razeryan | hehe |
| 01:11.27 | JeffM2501 | that's obvious |
| 01:11.31 | razeryan | im only 16 and am not that far into this kinda junk yet |
| 01:11.36 | razeryan | :( |
| 01:11.43 | razeryan | i can do basic proggramming |
| 01:11.46 | razeryan | no mor |
| 01:11.50 | razeryan | ah well |
| 01:12.01 | razeryan | sry to interupt |
| 01:12.07 | razeryan | continue |
| 01:12.10 | brlcad | if you know enough to find the sources with the command line, then you can just run bzflag with -data option |
| 01:12.13 | inchworm | razeryan: careful the bits that byte, the code that chomps, the sharp teeth of debugging, run now while you still can |
| 01:12.29 | brlcad | else what jeff said |
| 01:12.31 | razeryan | heheheh |
| 01:12.31 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, told him that too |
| 01:12.35 | razeryan | g1 |
| 01:12.51 | razeryan | i no run |
| 01:12.57 | razeryan | i face it |
| 01:12.59 | brlcad | JeffM2501: ah, i figgered .. but thought I'd toss it out |
| 01:13.00 | razeryan | and win |
| 01:13.10 | JeffM2501 | razeryan, can you please stop babbling? |
| 01:13.14 | razeryan | ok |
| 01:13.15 | razeryan | sry |
| 01:13.23 | JeffM2501 | or take it to #bzchat |
| 01:13.26 | razeryan | inchworm sent me an interesting pm |
| 01:13.31 | razeryan | nvm |
| 01:13.37 | brlcad | coherent thoughts help, instead of streaming |
| 01:13.39 | brlcad | the messages |
| 01:13.44 | brlcad | in so many |
| 01:13.45 | brlcad | lines |
| 01:13.47 | JeffM2501 | it |
| 01:13.48 | JeffM2501 | gets |
| 01:13.50 | JeffM2501 | rather |
| 01:13.52 | JeffM2501 | anoying |
| 01:13.55 | JeffM2501 | and I don't |
| 01:13.57 | JeffM2501 | want |
| 01:13.57 | razeryan | sorry |
| 01:13.58 | JeffM2501 | to kick you |
| 01:14.03 | razeryan | :) |
| 01:14.05 | razeryan | thats good |
| 01:14.06 | view | the problem was the exec was looking for a fonts directory in the bin folder |
| 01:14.20 | view | all I had to do was move the fonts directory there |
| 01:14.26 | JeffM2501 | that's one way |
| 01:14.31 | JeffM2501 | not the "official way" |
| 01:14.34 | view | lol |
| 01:14.34 | JeffM2501 | but whatever works for ya |
| 01:14.37 | razeryan | umm pardon me again but, has bzflag 2.0.9 come out yet? |
| 01:14.42 | JeffM2501 | razeryan, no |
| 01:14.44 | JeffM2501 | it never will |
| 01:14.50 | JeffM2501 | it's just dev fixes to 2.0.8 |
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| 01:14.58 | razeryan | oh |
| 01:15.00 | JeffM2501 | next will be 2.2, based off the 2.1.x line |
| 01:15.08 | razeryan | ah ok |
| 01:15.16 | view | how far ahead can I compile through CVS? |
| 01:15.19 | JeffM2501 | view, building in xcode is easy, just open the project and hit the button |
| 01:15.24 | JeffM2501 | view, ahead? |
| 01:15.24 | view | ok |
| 01:15.31 | view | version whise |
| 01:15.33 | view | wise* |
| 01:15.38 | JeffM2501 | cvs head is 2.1.9 or maybe 10 |
| 01:16.04 | JeffM2501 | I forget |
| 01:16.05 | JeffM2501 | it'll be released as 2.2 |
| 01:16.05 | view | are those stable enough to run? |
| 01:16.05 | JeffM2501 | odd numbers aer dev, even is release. |
| 01:16.07 | JeffM2501 | view, they are not compartable with current servers |
| 01:16.11 | TimRiker | BZFlag server 2.1.11.20070223-DEVEL-linux-gnu-SDL (protocol 0046) http://BZFlag.org/ |
| 01:16.12 | view | ah |
| 01:16.13 | JeffM2501 | 2.1 is incompatable with 2.0.x |
| 01:16.20 | JeffM2501 | oooo , up to 11 |
| 01:16.23 | razeryan | is that bad? |
| 01:16.24 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 01:16.28 | JeffM2501 | it's by design |
| 01:16.33 | razeryan | ooook |
| 01:16.37 | razeryan | im catching on |
| 01:16.39 | razeryan | :) |
| 01:17.14 | JeffM2501 | 2.1 uses a difrent network protocoll then 2.0.x they don't send the same kind of info |
| 01:17.17 | JeffM2501 | so they can't be compatable |
| 01:17.40 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03atupone 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (bzflag.cxx clientCommands.cxx playing.cxx playing.h): do Frame() for logic/movement, and ProcessFrame() to render things |
| 01:18.20 | brlcad | hang around long enough and you might just find yourself understanding the code and contributing modifications |
| 01:18.46 | view | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=10112 |
| 01:19.07 | razeryan | g1 |
| 01:19.12 | razeryan | and true too |
| 01:19.15 | view | if that binary actually worked, it wouldn't be compatable with current servers? |
| 01:19.19 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 01:19.20 | brlcad | isn't that how Sir DTRemenak got started or did he code in diapers too? |
| 01:19.37 | razeryan | ~poke cbg |
| 01:19.49 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind cbg, pokes cbg repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 01:19.50 | JeffM2501 | we changed the network data lay out for 2.1.x |
| 01:19.51 | JeffM2501 | so 2.0.x and 2.1.x have seperate servers |
| 01:19.51 | CBG | you knows it. |
| 01:20.02 | JeffM2501 | they don't even list each other's servers |
| 01:20.14 | JeffM2501 | IIRC there are like eight 2.1.11 servers |
| 01:20.18 | Erroneous | brlcad: hmmm? |
| 01:20.35 | brlcad | Erroneous: no matter :) |
| 01:20.44 | brlcad | ooh, this is priceless... http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=102550&sid=eaebefc71eae1a163cf68b5f485c55ec#102550 |
| 01:20.48 | Erroneous | ok. guess I wasn't quite following the conversation :) |
| 01:21.27 | JeffM2501 | you didn't miss much |
| 01:21.36 | brlcad | shell script that starts configure that calls xcode that invokes a shell to call configure and make and copies resources, then returns to the shell to copy more resources |
| 01:21.39 | brlcad | priceless |
| 01:21.53 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 01:22.32 | view | ok, so let me get this cleared up, 2.0.x will work on current servers, but 2.1.x will not? |
| 01:22.43 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 01:22.49 | JeffM2501 | 2.1.x has it's own servers |
| 01:22.51 | view | ok, gotcha |
| 01:23.08 | JeffM2501 | just like 2.0.0 dosn't work with 1.10.x servers |
| 01:23.19 | JeffM2501 | or 1.10 dosn't work with 1.7 |
| 01:23.21 | JeffM2501 | etc... :) |
| 01:25.36 | razeryan | ok global is good cya l8r gl with the compiling |
| 01:25.39 | razeryan | bye |
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| 01:33.22 | Cybodog | howdy |
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| 01:33.48 | Cybodog | got a problem trying to compile bzflag-2.0.8 |
| 01:34.19 | Cybodog | the first error is this: LinuxDisplay.h:24:38: error: X11/extensions/xf86vmode.h: No such file or directory |
| 01:34.30 | Cybodog | any idea what it means? |
| 01:35.12 | Cybodog | I know what directory means, but why is it looking for this, how can I fix it? |
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| 01:47.08 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/autogen.sh: |
| 01:47.08 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: add a function to locate the configure template so that we find the right files |
| 01:47.08 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: when running autogen.sh from an ac_config_subdirs directory, perhaps being |
| 01:47.08 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: configured/compiled in isolation (without making a copy of this script). also |
| 01:47.08 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: add a sanity check that we did indeed end up with a configure script when all |
| 01:47.09 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: was said and done. |
| 01:47.09 | brlcad | Thumper_: now it'll work if you do a ../autogen.sh |
| 01:47.23 | Cybodog | it's offical, I can't compile 2.0.8 and I don't know why |
| 01:47.40 | Cybodog | it runs autogen.sh just fine and does ./configure |
| 01:48.22 | Cybodog | but it is looking for something/X11/extensions/xf86vmode.h and I don't know where it shold be or how to get that. |
| 01:48.24 | JeffM2501 | Cybodog, what video card do you have? the nvidia? |
| 01:48.28 | Cybodog | yes |
| 01:48.36 | JeffM2501 | you installed the nvidia driver? |
| 01:48.44 | JeffM2501 | from nvidia? |
| 01:48.52 | Cybodog | I can get the exact one. Yes. IIRC |
| 01:48.56 | JeffM2501 | if you did you also probalby need the dev package for it |
| 01:49.03 | JeffM2501 | that includes the missing files |
| 01:49.05 | Cybodog | doh! |
| 01:49.10 | Cybodog | that is a clue |
| 01:49.35 | Cybodog | btw, where is that directory supposed to be? |
| 01:49.54 | Cybodog | I suposed it was in /usr/lib |
| 01:50.04 | brlcad | probably /usr/X11R6/include/X11/extensions/ |
| 01:50.05 | JeffM2501 | depends on your distro |
| 01:50.10 | JeffM2501 | they should have a package for it |
| 01:50.24 | JeffM2501 | you on ubuntu? |
| 01:50.29 | Cybodog | yes |
| 01:50.41 | JeffM2501 | search synaptic for nvidia, it'll have a dev package |
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| 01:50.44 | Cybodog | could do debian, ubuntu grows weary on me. |
| 01:50.56 | JeffM2501 | it's not a problem with your distro |
| 01:51.01 | Cybodog | I know. |
| 01:51.04 | Cybodog | but thanks |
| 01:51.05 | JeffM2501 | ubuntu is based on debian ;) |
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| 01:51.34 | Cybodog | uggg! I started debian when you could onlyh use it if you were naked |
| 01:52.16 | Cybodog | ubuntu! linux SHOULD be hard (TM) |
| 01:52.32 | JeffM2501 | I found ubuntu to be one of the easiest installs |
| 01:52.37 | Cybodog | it is. |
| 01:52.38 | JeffM2501 | if you want hard, go for gentoo |
| 01:52.44 | JeffM2501 | cus gentoo is for ricers |
| 01:53.04 | Cybodog | that is my point. linux should not be usable for everybody, then everybody would use it, then I would have to get bsd |
| 01:53.19 | Cybodog | maybe hurd? |
| 01:53.42 | JeffM2501 | good lord |
| 01:53.47 | JeffM2501 | just run OSX then |
| 01:54.08 | Cybodog | 6.10 is the best ubuntu I have tried so far. So far I am not seriously tempted to reload debian. |
| 01:54.46 | Cybodog | when my toung is removed from my cheek, I am mostly impressed with 6.10 |
| 01:55.39 | delusional_ | ~head |
| 01:55.41 | ibot | it has been said that head is cvs-head. |
| 01:55.55 | Cybodog | my ubuntu version of bzflag crashes often. |
| 01:56.03 | Cybodog | hence I want to compile it. |
| 01:56.22 | JeffM2501 | delusional_, http://my.bzflag.org/wiki/index.php/BZFlag_CVS |
| 01:56.24 | delusional_ | ~whats the ibot word for getting the cvs line for head? |
| 01:56.32 | JeffM2501 | ~cvs |
| 01:56.34 | ibot | from memory, cvs is concurrent versions systems. more info here http://www.cvshome.org/. |
| 01:56.34 | Cybodog | least I forget JeffM2501, thanks |
| 01:56.39 | JeffM2501 | ~bzcvs |
| 01:56.41 | ibot | hmm... bzcvs is http://my.bzflag.org/wiki/index.php/BZFlag_CVS, or cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P bzflag |
| 01:56.54 | JeffM2501 | tho ibot isn't fully correct |
| 01:57.24 | Cybodog | compile is looking much better so far |
| 01:57.45 | JeffM2501 | nvidia has there set of openGL extension in there |
| 01:57.55 | JeffM2501 | so your gl.h has them included |
| 01:58.06 | Bz_Win | Dear lord.. "yo mamma!" likes to spam the boards |
| 01:58.09 | Cybodog | I prob installed that when I had debian running and forgot about doing that on ubuntu |
| 01:58.20 | JeffM2501 | Bz_Win, yeah I've had words with him |
| 01:58.30 | Cybodog | that is the downside of debian, you only install once. |
| 01:58.33 | tannerld | Bz_Win: hi :) |
| 01:58.37 | JeffM2501 | debian has a package for nvidida dev too |
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| 02:02.12 | L4m3r | Ubuntu is starting to scare me. It feels like linux is headed towards an Ubuntu monoculture, and that's bad... |
| 02:02.39 | L4m3r | plus, they're indoctrinating hundreds of newbs with Gnome! Yuck! |
| 02:02.51 | Bz_Win | <-- AFK |
| 02:03.47 | Cybodog | I mean Linus says just use kde! |
| 02:04.08 | Cybodog | to be 1337 is harder and harder |
| 02:04.11 | L4m3r | I don't need Linus to tell me that |
| 02:04.32 | JeffM2501 | tell ya, you have to use gentoo if you want to be l33t |
| 02:04.40 | Flash | decks |
| 02:04.41 | blast007 | JeffM2501: or slackware |
| 02:04.55 | Flash | decks |
| 02:04.55 | JeffM2501 | does slackware build evertthing from scratch? |
| 02:04.57 | Cybodog | that or perhaps simple flux |
| 02:04.59 | JeffM2501 | over like a WEEK? |
| 02:05.10 | blast007 | JeffM2501: nope, but it also doesn't tell you what dependencies you need ;) |
| 02:05.14 | Flash | decks |
| 02:05.14 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 02:05.15 | blast007 | so you have to find out yourself |
| 02:05.23 | JeffM2501 | that's only 1/2 l33t |
| 02:05.28 | Cybodog | Gento! Because you have the time! TM |
| 02:05.33 | Flash | decks |
| 02:05.35 | blast007 | it's also the oldest maintained linux distro |
| 02:05.47 | Cybodog | Crux is for the true linux leet |
| 02:05.51 | L4m3r | "Linux is only free if your time is worthless" |
| 02:05.59 | Flash | decks |
| 02:06.07 | Cybodog | is that trade marked? |
| 02:06.16 | blast007 | is there a decks server up? |
| 02:06.24 | Flash | beats me |
| 02:06.27 | Cybodog | hey blast |
| 02:06.27 | blast007 | and I'm assuming it's 2.1 if so? |
| 02:06.32 | blast007 | hi Cybodog |
| 02:06.49 | blast007 | Cybodog: old school map from the 1.7 days |
| 02:06.54 | blast007 | and it's friday |
| 02:07.00 | blast007 | ~decks |
| 02:07.01 | ibot | rumour has it, decks is http://bzgirl.opencombat.net/decks.html |
| 02:07.14 | Flash | yup, it's up |
| 02:07.25 | Flash | on spldart's server |
| 02:07.53 | Cybodog | say what? |
| 02:08.04 | Flash | although I joined, and it says "shooting/moving forbidden" |
| 02:08.20 | Flash | but it lied |
| 02:08.26 | Cybodog | compile bzflag and join navi.cx server? |
| 02:08.28 | Cybodog | testing? |
| 02:08.51 | Flash | spldart.opencombat.net |
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| 02:10.37 | Cybodog | I installed nvidia dev package but get the same results, was I supposed to restart X? |
| 02:10.49 | JeffM2501 | nope, shouldn't have mattered |
| 02:10.57 | Cybodog | that is what I thought. |
| 02:10.57 | JeffM2501 | you have the glx dev packages? |
| 02:11.05 | JeffM2501 | basicly your missing a header |
| 02:11.10 | JeffM2501 | from some dev package |
| 02:11.21 | JeffM2501 | you have SDL dev? |
| 02:11.23 | Cybodog | nivia-glx |
| 02:11.33 | Cybodog | dont know, checking |
| 02:11.46 | Cybodog | however I remember that was a NO on ./configure |
| 02:11.57 | JeffM2501 | oh, you want SDL man |
| 02:12.29 | JeffM2501 | sdl makes the world a lot better |
| 02:12.41 | JeffM2501 | well more simple :) |
| 02:13.01 | JeffM2501 | without SDL it's trying to do the native X stuff, and you probalby don't have the X dev package |
| 02:13.20 | Cybodog | I do not. |
| 02:13.30 | JeffM2501 | SDL-dev is the simplest to install |
| 02:13.34 | Cybodog | installing apt-file to find the package now |
| 02:13.36 | JeffM2501 | that should bring in the rest of the stuff you need |
| 02:13.46 | JeffM2501 | IIRC it's sdl1.2-dev |
| 02:14.05 | JeffM2501 | or libsdl1.2-del or sometihng |
| 02:14.40 | Cybodog | I have libsdl1.2debian but I see a libsdl1.2-dev? |
| 02:14.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah there ya go |
| 02:14.50 | JeffM2501 | one is the runtimes |
| 02:14.50 | Cybodog | same thing, but for dev? |
| 02:14.56 | JeffM2501 | the dev is the headers and libs |
| 02:15.06 | JeffM2501 | yeah, since your trying to compile an SDL app, you need the dev stuff |
| 02:15.13 | Cybodog | doh! |
| 02:15.22 | Cybodog | if it helps, I CAN fix a server |
| 02:17.48 | view | chris reeves is making his rounds using the name parkinson j. fox. |
| 02:22.35 | Cybodog | ya, ran into him yesterday on urban combat |
| 02:23.06 | Cybodog | I don't understand how he gets off on killing you and he is unkillable |
| 02:24.45 | Cybodog | I thought the global server log on was supposed to stop that activity? |
| 02:26.18 | JeffM2501 | he dosn't globaly ID |
| 02:26.22 | JeffM2501 | and the servers allow anon players |
| 02:26.29 | Cybodog | bah |
| 02:26.35 | Cybodog | what a spoiler |
| 02:26.46 | Cybodog | he loves ctf |
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| 02:39.55 | bryjen | ~bzfquery bryjen.bzflag.org:51554 |
| 02:40.00 | bryjen | bah |
| 02:40.19 | bryjen | ~bzfquery bryjen.bzflag.org:5154 |
| 02:40.33 | bryjen | but there are decks |
| 02:40.38 | bryjen | Decks! I say. |
| 02:45.43 | bryjen | or 2.1 if you prefer |
| 02:45.46 | bryjen | ~bzfquery bryjen.bzflag.org:5155 |
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| 02:46.03 | bryjen | silly ibot |
| 02:46.26 | tannerld | lol |
| 02:50.03 | bryjen | please standy by - technical difficulties :/ |
| 02:53.16 | blast007 | brlcad: was it you that had mentioned that high FPS related bug in 2.1? |
| 02:57.08 | bryjen | ok, fresh builds, both version, hot off the compiler! |
| 02:57.46 | tannerld | *steam* |
| 02:57.54 | bryjen | ~bzfquery bryjen.bzflag.org:5155 |
| 02:58.14 | bryjen | no water on the processors, please |
| 02:58.35 | tannerld | *smoke* |
| 02:58.46 | bryjen | gah! |
| 02:59.03 | bryjen | "Intel Pentium D" - but its a dry heat ;) |
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| 02:59.45 | A_Heart_Attack | heya quol! |
| 03:01.54 | bryjen | ~summon DTRemenak |
| 03:02.04 | ibot | apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing DTRemenak's coordinates |
| 03:02.06 | DTRemenak | ~slap bryjen |
| 03:02.08 | ibot | ACTION slaps bryjen, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 03:02.36 | bryjen | bah. |
| 03:03.00 | bryjen | i had the chicken all ready. |
| 03:06.03 | bryjen | does the chicken still work if it's fried and breaded? |
| 03:06.30 | bryjen | mebbe as bait.. |
| 03:08.09 | view | is it possible to see tank stats (such as tank speed, etc.) in observer mode? |
| 03:08.49 | bryjen | didn't Jeff add that to 2.1? or was it a special 2.0 client? |
| 03:09.04 | eTangenT | view, you can see tank speed with Enhanced Observer Info |
| 03:09.10 | eTangenT | it's in Options -> GUI somewhere |
| 03:09.15 | view | ah ok |
| 03:09.20 | view | in 2.0.8? |
| 03:09.28 | eTangenT | it's in 2.0.9 for sure |
| 03:09.31 | eTangenT | dunno about 2.0.8 |
| 03:09.36 | view | ok thans |
| 03:09.39 | view | thanks* |
| 03:09.59 | blast007 | bryjen: oh, I already built it and tried it again |
| 03:10.16 | blast007 | was hoping I could play without the Energy Saver turned on ;) |
| 03:10.26 | bryjen | before or after i update the server? |
| 03:10.47 | blast007 | it's a client thing |
| 03:10.51 | blast007 | related to my FPS |
| 03:11.03 | blast007 | the simulation get's screwed up |
| 03:11.06 | blast007 | gets* |
| 03:11.16 | bryjen | perhaps if i let DTR out of the box, he'll play |
| 03:11.35 | blast007 | I'll play once I'm done eating |
| 03:11.51 | bryjen | ok |
| 03:12.04 | blast007 | I'll just have to try keeping my FPS less than 200 ;) |
| 03:12.31 | bryjen | :P |
| 03:13.00 | eTangenT | blast007: 200? that's the temperature I'm trying to keep my gfx from reaching! |
| 03:13.03 | eTangenT | and it's not working! |
| 03:13.09 | eTangenT | Dell can go die! |
| 03:13.16 | blast007 | or I could play on my laptop, where I get like 50FPS at most |
| 03:13.23 | blast007 | eTangenT: heh... |
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| 03:14.37 | eTangenT | Missile War overheats it, Playground Revisited overheats it, Badgerking overheats it after a really long time, Two Tanks overheats it |
| 03:14.45 | eTangenT | Overlord, fortunately, does NOT overheat it. :) |
| 03:14.54 | blast007 | eTangenT: set the FPS limit to 15 ;) |
| 03:15.08 | bryjen | holy crap. i'd forgotten i'd turned that on too. 145 to 220 with it off :O and stuff goes goofy :/ |
| 03:15.11 | eTangenT | ... |
| 03:15.15 | blast007 | or strap 120mm fans to your laptop |
| 03:15.23 | blast007 | bryjen: oh, even at that level of FPS? |
| 03:15.29 | blast007 | I was getting close to 1k |
| 03:15.39 | bryjen | ~whaleslap blast007 |
| 03:15.42 | ibot | ACTION beats blast007 upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 03:15.52 | eTangenT | ~bzfrag bryjen |
| 03:15.53 | ibot | ACTION kills bryjen with a shot from his BZTank |
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| 03:19.51 | bryjen | hrm. i was kicked for "teleporting while paused". i was drving around :/ |
| 03:20.04 | blast007 | cheater! |
| 03:20.07 | blast007 | ;) |
| 03:22.15 | bryjen | i need to look in that box and see if DTRemenak is in there or not. |
| 03:22.24 | bryjen | or maybe he's both. |
| 03:24.11 | eTangenT | maybe he teleported while paused. |
| 03:24.13 | eTangenT | ;) |
| 03:33.35 | brlcad | bryjen: yep |
| 03:33.37 | brlcad | was me |
| 03:34.01 | brlcad | i did not investigate |
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| 04:05.19 | Grand | does anyone know if tanner come in here at all? |
| 04:05.38 | tannerld | maybe; I think he is here sometimes during the day |
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| 04:17.32 | blast007 | ~decks |
| 04:17.34 | ibot | i heard decks is http://bzgirl.opencombat.net/decks.html |
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| 04:41.36 | tannerld | [dmp]: ping |
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| 05:30.00 | ducktape | hi |
| 05:30.36 | ducktape | hi |
| 05:30.52 | view | lol. |
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| 05:31.15 | JeffM2501 | too much sugar tonight? |
| 05:31.44 | JeffM2501 | maybe not enough |
| 05:35.04 | bryjen | real duct tape stick with things much better |
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| 05:36.19 | ducktape | Hello?! |
| 05:36.34 | blast007 | hi |
| 05:37.28 | ducktape | Does this work? |
| 05:37.34 | ducktape | oh ok |
| 05:37.43 | ducktape | whats up |
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| 05:38.08 | ducktape | I'm a little laggy. |
| 05:38.46 | ducktape | hi |
| 05:44.00 | JeffM2501 | this word, I do no think it means what he think it means |
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| 05:59.10 | blast007 | I think it's the huge delay on the CGI:IRC that's throwing him off |
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| 06:00.48 | Naiorjasvopijwav | Hi |
| 06:01.03 | Naiorjasvopijwav | I wanna add bots but i dun get |
| 06:01.12 | Naiorjasvopijwav | the command line |
| 06:01.17 | Naiorjasvopijwav | u mean windows command line |
| 06:01.28 | Naiorjasvopijwav | oor ingame??/ |
| 06:02.17 | blast007 | windows |
| 06:02.23 | Naiorjasvopijwav | so |
| 06:02.30 | Naiorjasvopijwav | u go to the shortcut |
| 06:02.32 | Naiorjasvopijwav | right click |
| 06:02.35 | Naiorjasvopijwav | and add the tag rightr |
| 06:02.40 | Naiorjasvopijwav | *right |
| 06:03.16 | Naiorjasvopijwav | ut what if i wanna play by MYSELF |
| 06:03.22 | Naiorjasvopijwav | do i type in |
| 06:04.16 | blast007 | you add like -solo 5 to the end of the target line |
| 06:04.48 | blast007 | then when you're in the game, you can go to Start Server in the Join menu, start one, and then connect to the server "localhost" on port 5154 |
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| 08:39.57 | ts | Thumper_: Now it's no longer compiling again :& |
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| 09:31.29 | ts | Thumper_, brlcad, Tupone: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/370167 :( |
| 09:34.05 | Tupone | maybe libplugin_utils.a already contains idivdi3 symbols. I saw a commit for a common static library for plugin |
| 09:35.20 | ts | I don't know how to fix..got it working yesterday but now broken again |
| 09:35.54 | Tupone | I don't build plugins at all |
| 09:35.56 | Tupone | :/ |
| 09:37.34 | ts | Yesterday I experimented with eInBuilding inside an enum in API. After several server restarts one time my client suddently did drive without any flag through buildings. Restarting client "fixed" it...now I think C-plug-ins are bad, too |
| 09:38.18 | ts | I didn't write anything, only reading out the player's state.. |
| 09:39.24 | Tupone | but that is a client problem. Cannot be related to server plugin |
| 09:43.19 | orchid | ciao Tupone |
| 09:43.27 | Tupone | ciao orchid |
| 09:43.50 | Tupone | you wake-up early today :) |
| 09:44.06 | orchid | I'm just going to sleep actually |
| 09:44.12 | Tupone | ahh |
| 09:44.17 | Tupone | brave night |
| 09:44.27 | orchid | :) no I worked |
| 09:44.35 | Tupone | lol |
| 09:45.23 | Tupone | orchid: you know, I'm reworking a bzflag, well doing my own project/branch, but yea |
| 09:45.41 | orchid | I noticed some commits by you yes |
| 09:46.43 | Tupone | you will see something like v2_0_cs_branch |
| 09:46.48 | Manu | hi orchid :) |
| 09:47.02 | orchid | hey Manu |
| 09:49.16 | orchid | Tupone: I have a new jethro tull cd `original masters' is that one you said? |
| 09:49.16 | Tupone | what are the songs on there? |
| 09:49.33 | orchid | aqualung, bungle in the jungle, life's a song.. |
| 09:50.04 | Tupone | I know the songs, but I never heard about that |
| 09:50.14 | Tupone | or maybe I had, but I forgot :) |
| 09:50.21 | orchid | `too old to rock and roll, too young to die' |
| 09:50.22 | Tupone | heard |
| 09:50.29 | orchid | that sounds like brlcad :) |
| 09:50.39 | Tupone | :) |
| 09:51.52 | Tupone | if you can get to hear the old interpretation of van der graaf generator, try Refugees |
| 09:53.09 | Tupone | It seems like they are the father of progressive rock |
| 09:53.45 | ts | Tupone: I see when I replace noinst in plugin_utils it compiles fine. Is that a good sign= |
| 09:54.45 | Tupone | I guess you are not using it anymore, but I don't know |
| 09:57.37 | ts | Tupone: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/370185 |
| 09:58.14 | ts | See, I removed tolower function and included the other header. |
| 09:58.39 | ts | Compiles - I think shared code is used. Is that correct? |
| 09:59.51 | Tupone | but I think you are installing the libplugin library on the system. And that is bad I guess |
| 10:00.24 | ts | Oh |
| 10:00.41 | ts | I don't use make install... |
| 10:01.21 | Tupone | yeah, but other could do |
| 10:01.47 | ts | I think they are likely to |
| 10:01.59 | ts | but if I use noinst it doesn't compile |
| 10:02.23 | Tupone | build, you mean |
| 10:02.35 | ts | err, whatever ;) |
| 10:02.54 | Tupone | try to see the difference in the linking command, and from that try to understand why |
| 10:03.53 | ts | Umm, I hardly understand automake..that's why I wish someone(tm) would fix it |
| 10:04.09 | ts | searching for documentation all the time |
| 10:06.30 | Tupone | don't look at automake, look at output from that |
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| 14:41.27 | Bz_Win | Global down again...:E |
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| 15:45.01 | brlcad | Thumper_: fyi, the error ts pasted is a known libtool bug -- problem with the older libtool that OS X ships |
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| 15:45.18 | Killer123 | Hello |
| 15:45.21 | brlcad | there's a workaround for it, I'll shove it in later today |
| 15:45.40 | Killer123 | Does anyone know when the new version of BZFlag is released? |
| 15:46.00 | brlcad | it's not set yet |
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| 15:46.09 | Killer123 | ok |
| 15:46.12 | brlcad | and probably not "close" so don't hold your breath |
| 15:46.25 | Killer123 | awww you got any idea? |
| 15:46.31 | blast007 | no, we don't |
| 15:46.37 | Killer123 | okay |
| 15:46.55 | blast007 | it's still pre-alpha |
| 15:47.04 | Killer123 | alright |
| 15:47.10 | brlcad | probably 2009 |
| 15:47.15 | Killer123 | wow |
| 15:47.32 | Killer123 | is there a 2.0.9 version out? |
| 15:47.41 | brlcad | there will not be a 2.0.9 |
| 15:47.55 | Killer123 | okay |
| 15:48.19 | brlcad | or better put, that's the version in CVS |
| 15:48.24 | brlcad | and it's the dev revision |
| 15:48.38 | brlcad | there will not be a subsequent release of that version (which would be 2.0.10 |
| 15:49.15 | Killer123 | ok i understand |
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| 16:14.16 | Bz_Win | yay, global down again :p |
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| 16:14.57 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
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| 16:28.39 | menotume | uhohs, no brlcad |
| 16:29.34 | menotume | uhohs, no m.b.o. :( |
| 16:29.43 | blast007 | hmm |
| 16:30.46 | blast007 | seems to be the same problem as yesterday |
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| 16:30.59 | blast007 | traceroute is stopping at the same point |
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| 16:48.43 | defcon8 | is bzflag not being developed anymore? |
| 16:48.57 | JeffM2501 | where'd you get that idea? |
| 16:48.59 | jujibo | JeffM2501: is there any problem with the server? (brlcad's one) |
| 16:49.13 | JeffM2501 | jujibo yes there is a problem |
| 16:49.21 | JeffM2501 | looks like a router at the ISP went out |
| 16:49.22 | Manu | :) |
| 16:49.29 | Manu | yes, no route :/ |
| 16:49.35 | defcon8 | last release 2006 |
| 16:49.49 | JeffM2501 | defcon8 well that was just a couple of months ago |
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| 16:50.08 | JeffM2501 | we usualy do 1 to 2 a year only |
| 16:50.21 | defcon8 | may 2006 |
| 16:50.26 | defcon8 | ahh okay |
| 16:50.28 | JeffM2501 | 2.2 looks to be taking longer |
| 16:50.47 | JeffM2501 | development has slowed, but not stoped |
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| 16:59.08 | Bz_Win | any idea when the listserver wll be back? |
| 16:59.25 | menotume | nope |
| 16:59.49 | Bz_Win | I may have to leave the computer! :o |
| 17:00.09 | Thonolan | hello menotume |
| 17:00.13 | Thonolan | n:) |
| 17:01.34 | A_Heart_Attack | JeffM2501: do you have any reasonable estemate of when the first 2.1.0 beta will be released? |
| 17:01.44 | menotume | hey lonolonolonolono |
| 17:01.49 | JeffM2501 | A_Heart_Attack no |
| 17:01.52 | A_Heart_Attack | :( |
| 17:01.53 | A_Heart_Attack | kk |
| 17:01.58 | JeffM2501 | tho it won't be 2.1.0 |
| 17:02.03 | JeffM2501 | we are on .11 right now |
| 17:02.05 | A_Heart_Attack | 2.0.9? |
| 17:02.08 | A_Heart_Attack | ahh |
| 17:02.08 | JeffM2501 | tho i made one a while ago |
| 17:02.09 | CBG | 2.1.0 is well gone. |
| 17:02.10 | A_Heart_Attack | lol |
| 17:02.23 | JeffM2501 | I should do a .11 one of these days |
| 17:04.04 | JeffM2501 | at the current rate, I'd guess we'd have something release worthy in summer |
| 17:04.22 | JeffM2501 | ether that, or someone will get sick of waiting and ether push something out |
| 17:04.30 | A_Heart_Attack | heh |
| 17:04.36 | JeffM2501 | or there will be a grand dissent |
| 17:04.46 | A_Heart_Attack | so thats only about 4 months |
| 17:04.49 | A_Heart_Attack | not bad |
| 17:04.53 | A_Heart_Attack | ;) |
| 17:05.08 | JeffM2501 | if noone finishes server side state, there won't be much point in releasing |
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| 17:05.25 | A_Heart_Attack | heya SpazzyMcGee |
| 17:05.35 | CBG | 4 months is an optimistic time frame. |
| 17:05.38 | Bz_Win | hello Mcgee |
| 17:05.51 | SpazzyMcGee | Greetings |
| 17:06.04 | A_Heart_Attack | CBG is just a passamist |
| 17:06.06 | JeffM2501 | CBG I didn't say it'd be done in 4 months :) |
| 17:06.20 | JeffM2501 | I said something woudl happen in 4 months ;) |
| 17:06.22 | *** part/#bzflag menotume (n=George@pdpc/supporter/active/menotume) |
| 17:06.35 | CBG | JeffM2501: I know, I was talking about A_Heart_Attack |
| 17:06.36 | A_Heart_Attack | you actually didnt even say 4 months |
| 17:06.37 | A_Heart_Attack | i did |
| 17:06.46 | A_Heart_Attack | you said summer |
| 17:06.54 | A_Heart_Attack | which ranges from june to august |
| 17:07.00 | CBG | For a start, "the summer" suggests more like 5-6 months to me. |
| 17:07.06 | A_Heart_Attack | meh |
| 17:07.15 | A_Heart_Attack | 4 months is the end - begining of june |
| 17:07.21 | A_Heart_Attack | *end of may |
| 17:07.40 | CBG | Yeah, and I'd love to live where you do if Summer starts then for you. |
| 17:07.45 | A_Heart_Attack | ;) |
| 17:07.59 | Bz_Win | Timbuktoo! |
| 17:08.26 | Bz_Win | wait, why did I say that? |
| 17:08.53 | A_Heart_Attack | how would be know |
| 17:09.02 | CBG | How would we know? |
| 17:09.05 | A_Heart_Attack | umm |
| 17:09.07 | A_Heart_Attack | lol? |
| 17:09.51 | CBG | "lol?"? |
| 17:10.09 | A_Heart_Attack | ... |
| 17:10.10 | Bz_Win | ""lol?"?" |
| 17:10.36 | Bz_Win | Ill leave now, I Seem to be becoming a bit odd |
| 17:10.44 | A_Heart_Attack | :) |
| 17:10.46 | Thonolan | :) |
| 17:10.55 | CBG | Becoming? ;) |
| 17:11.10 | Bz_Win | becoming more odd* |
| 17:11.45 | A_Heart_Attack | heh |
| 17:12.03 | A_Heart_Attack | ill leave too, before i say something too horible to CBG ;) |
| 17:12.05 | A_Heart_Attack | c ya all |
| 17:13.16 | CBG | Too late. |
| 17:14.04 | Bz_Win | hee |
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| 17:16.54 | Scoaz | salut |
| 17:17.00 | inchworm | salut |
| 17:17.30 | Scoaz | ca fait trois plombes que j'ai pas joué a bzflag |
| 17:17.47 | Scoaz | je suis en train de le reinstaller, ca me manque :) |
| 17:18.34 | inchworm | sorry, I only speak English... |
| 17:18.39 | blast007 | lol |
| 17:18.46 | Scoaz | ok lol sorry |
| 17:18.49 | CBG | En anglais, Scoaz ? |
| 17:18.56 | Scoaz | i was saying that |
| 17:19.02 | Scoaz | et oui CBG :s |
| 17:19.12 | blast007 | inchworm: you threw him off ;D |
| 17:19.21 | Scoaz | i had a long time without palying bzflag |
| 17:19.34 | inchworm | yep i know, but it was little bit fun :) |
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| 17:20.04 | inchworm | i can guess was salut meant, but when it got serious, i got lost |
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| 17:20.29 | Manu | JeffM2501: router is working again |
| 17:20.42 | Bz_Win | horay, router |
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| 17:23.09 | inchworm | Scoaz: sorry for the confusions |
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| 17:24.53 | Scoaz | no problem inchworm |
| 17:25.25 | inchworm | :) |
| 17:26.14 | Scoaz | is there some linux user here ? |
| 17:26.26 | inchworm | i use linux |
| 17:26.46 | Scoaz | o that's fine :) |
| 17:26.56 | JeffM2501 | what problem are you having with BZ? |
| 17:27.12 | Scoaz | may be, most people who use irc are linux user |
| 17:27.47 | Scoaz | JeffM2501: i have no problem with BZ |
| 17:28.09 | JeffM2501 | ahh then I misread your first question |
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| 17:45.12 | defcon8 | don't you love french people who think people speak french? |
| 17:45.40 | Bz_Win | I love everyone! :p |
| 17:47.46 | defcon8 | even men? :O |
| 17:48.56 | CBG | No homophobes please. |
| 17:49.09 | Bz_Win | no |
| 17:54.27 | Scoaz | see us |
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| 18:19.57 | Bz_Win | hi quol |
| 18:20.19 | Quol | hello Bz_Win - how are ya? |
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| 18:27.56 | awesome117 | nfd |
| 18:28.32 | awesome117 | anyone know what happened to laserball2s server |
| 18:29.04 | donny_baker | im guessing it's down :p |
| 18:29.05 | Bz_Win | thank god its gone. |
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| 19:14.19 | Thumper_ | brlcad: thx for the info (re: automake problem ts is having) |
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| 19:19.15 | brlcad | its actually a libtool on mac os x problem/bug |
| 19:19.39 | brlcad | fixed in later updates, so hopefully updated in 10.5 |
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| 19:31.18 | ts | Thumper_: Did you see my message? |
| 19:33.02 | ruskie | argh I hate it when half the other team is hunting me :( |
| 19:35.05 | brlcad | ts: thats a bug with the version of libtool on the mac -- I have a fix for it |
| 19:36.03 | ts | brlcad: How does the fix work? |
| 19:36.29 | a_temp_dist | FYI, CRW (PJF) is on servers, just banned from a mofo map |
| 19:40.55 | brlcad | well enough |
| 19:41.29 | Thumper_ | ts: yes |
| 19:43.09 | ruskie | Parkinson J. Fox: joining as a tank from 4.242.147.129 |
| 19:43.31 | ruskie | for those that want to preempt him :) |
| 19:45.19 | a_temp_dist | he was on 4.242.144.9 before, so quickly changing the last two octets |
| 19:47.30 | ruskie | hmm his IP's but him in USA-OR-Salem or West Linn(the current two) |
| 19:47.58 | ts | brlcad: I meant whether it is a build system change in bz's code or whether new libtool |
| 19:49.01 | ts | I would like to be able to build the game |
| 19:49.49 | brlcad | ts: and you will |
| 19:49.52 | brlcad | patience |
| 19:50.00 | ruskie | 206.148.184.31 |
| 19:52.48 | ruskie | is there a way to prohibit players from running clientquery? |
| 19:53.14 | ruskie | Parkinson is doing this after he can't speak or play |
| 19:54.41 | brlcad | ban him? |
| 19:54.47 | ruskie | like that helps |
| 19:54.53 | ruskie | he switched so many ip's already |
| 19:54.59 | ruskie | I'm doing now 1h bans on him |
| 19:55.06 | ruskie | whenever I see him |
| 19:55.14 | donny_baker | also from 69.85.145.9 69-85-145-9.socal.dialup.o1.com |
| 19:55.20 | brlcad | he's only used 3 class c's |
| 19:55.24 | Thumper_ | brlcad: sourceforge ssh is working again |
| 19:55.26 | donny_baker | looks like more than one person |
| 19:55.39 | ruskie | yeah that one is CA-hayward |
| 19:55.51 | ruskie | whirhe the previous was GA-Atlanta |
| 19:56.06 | ruskie | *** 'Dr. Hawkins Speech Synthesizer' joined the game as Blue Team from 206.148.184.158. |
| 19:56.09 | brlcad | ruskie: it does help -- make them permanent, before long he will run out (ideally blocking a /24 net) |
| 19:56.15 | donny_baker | we have seen all 3 addresses on norang within the last 3 days |
| 19:56.23 | ruskie | new nick |
| 19:56.27 | a_temp_dist | ruskie: -clientquery in the groups file on the group line you want to take the perm from |
| 19:56.50 | ruskie | this on already runnig server |
| 19:57.14 | Thumper_ | ruskie you can reload groups on a running server |
| 19:57.24 | brlcad | Thumper_: that's good news, thx |
| 19:57.25 | ruskie | I don't have access for it |
| 19:58.42 | ruskie | brlcad, he changes all parts... it's multple ppl |
| 19:58.47 | ruskie | most likely |
| 19:59.17 | brlcad | that doesn't really change anything |
| 19:59.52 | ruskie | you'll most likely be banning half of the USA then |
| 19:59.59 | Thumper_ | brlcad: I pushed the current master-ban.txt to the webserver |
| 20:00.35 | brlcad | Thumper_: ah -- there are a variety to add now too |
| 20:00.42 | ruskie | :) |
| 20:01.21 | brlcad | here's where a hostmask would seriously help in the master-ban list |
| 20:01.34 | brlcad | e.g. 206.148.184.0/24 |
| 20:02.04 | ruskie | and then you ban also 69.85.145.9 and 4.242.144.9 |
| 20:02.05 | ruskie | etc... |
| 20:02.09 | Thumper_ | can't do 206.148.184.* ? |
| 20:02.20 | ruskie | afaik one can ban a whole subnet |
| 20:03.09 | ruskie | hmm I need to reintegrate bzadmin back into irssi... |
| 20:03.49 | brlcad | ts: there ya go |
| 20:04.00 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ (configure.ac plugins/configure.ac): |
| 20:04.00 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: libtool 1.5 has a bug where it (erroneously) uses the -all_load linker option on |
| 20:04.00 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: mac os x when linking certain library types together (usually linking in a |
| 20:04.00 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: noinst library) resulting in various gcc_s gcc internal multiple symbol errors. |
| 20:04.00 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: this change basically strips the -all_load option from the output libtool script |
| 20:04.03 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: if it is found. |
| 20:04.18 | donny_baker | i wonder if he is relaying off of some zomby pcs |
| 20:04.34 | ruskie | it could just be ip's registered in various states |
| 20:04.41 | ruskie | and then assigned to him at random |
| 20:04.47 | brlcad | I wouldn't be surprised if it is the same joke from last year |
| 20:05.03 | donny_baker | ruskie: i don't really think so |
| 20:05.04 | ruskie | but with enough of them one should be able to accertain from where he comes... |
| 20:05.17 | ruskie | geoip is not 100% |
| 20:05.23 | ruskie | country is like 90% |
| 20:05.32 | ruskie | anything below that is 60% |
| 20:06.48 | ruskie | but with enough big of a data set... |
| 20:06.55 | ruskie | he alse last time pasted a link to the cheat site |
| 20:07.40 | ruskie | bzflagcheat.blogspot.com |
| 20:11.54 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10admin/master-bans.txt: additional crw ip bans |
| 20:12.22 | ruskie | to bad we can't prosecute him under the DMCA stuff... ;) |
| 20:13.10 | ruskie | he doesn't seem to be coming back... |
| 20:14.18 | Thumper_ | brlcad: if I add the plugin_utils library to v2_0branch is that going to break for ts there too? |
| 20:14.46 | Birdie | ruskie: what were the guy his nicks? |
| 20:15.07 | ruskie | Parkinson J. Fox |
| 20:15.13 | ruskie | 'Dr. Hawkins Speech Synthesizer' |
| 20:16.33 | Birdie | hmm not the nick i thought:) |
| 20:17.03 | ruskie | you mean CRW |
| 20:17.49 | Birdie | no, but cause you mentioned he told the blogspot site, i thought about the unknown guys from those 3 who were involved with it |
| 20:17.50 | brlcad | Thumper_: yep |
| 20:18.11 | brlcad | needs the same configure.ac hack |
| 20:18.45 | brlcad | how often do servers update from the master ban list? |
| 20:18.49 | brlcad | (by default) |
| 20:19.01 | Thumper_ | didn't know they did by default |
| 20:19.13 | brlcad | er, they used to |
| 20:20.03 | brlcad | since dev access is no longer possible on the web root, there's now a CVS/Root in the admin folder |
| 20:20.10 | brlcad | so you can just cvs update it |
| 20:20.47 | brlcad | i've added a cron job to my user to auto-update it (which can only be run at most once per 10 minutes according to sf.net rules) |
| 20:23.47 | Thumper_ | so now we just commit a change to the master-bans.txt and it updates automagically within 10 minutes? |
| 20:24.26 | Thumper_ | ...it updates [the website] ... |
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| 20:46.34 | brlcad | Thumper_: yes |
| 20:46.39 | Bz_Win | Whats the link to all 2.0.9 builds? |
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| 20:46.47 | Bz_Win | The thread that it was in was deleted |
| 20:47.07 | Mathiazz | hello |
| 20:48.10 | Thumper_ | brlcad: cool :) |
| 20:48.30 | Bz_Win | anyone? |
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| 20:49.10 | brlcad | Bz_Win: can try http://beta.bzflag.bz/builds/ |
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| 21:06.10 | ignacio | hi |
| 21:07.34 | blast007 | hello |
| 21:11.41 | CBG | hey |
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| 21:13.14 | ryanakca | hmm... what happened to boxy wars? (that red and blue team, laser galore server?) |
| 21:13.51 | donny_baker | they are looking for a new host i believe |
| 21:13.58 | ryanakca | ah |
| 21:14.18 | ryanakca | that would explain it... I stopped playing for a couple of months... and I couldn't find it :) |
| 21:16.46 | Bz_Win | Met is waiting for me to find him a server |
| 21:16.49 | Bz_Win | :E |
| 21:17.29 | inchworm | Bz_Win: how goes the search? |
| 21:19.31 | ryanakca | Bz_Win: ah... and I suppose a PC in the basement wouldn't do the trick? |
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| 22:05.15 | donny_baker | :q! |
| 22:05.43 | Bz_Win | :q eh? |
| 22:06.04 | donny_baker | hehe wrong window :) was working in vi |
| 22:06.18 | donny_baker | ls |
| 22:08.04 | ignacio_ | :P |
| 22:08.52 | ignacio_ | dammit, I was so happy I made it across the map with the flag without getting killed, it was my connection that wasn't working >_< |
| 22:09.25 | inchworm | nice :) |
| 22:09.49 | blast007 | hehe |
| 22:10.17 | CBG | It happens. :) |
| 22:10.58 | ignacio_ | :P |
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| 22:43.25 | uso | can i move a report on sourceforge from the bugs to the patches subsection? |
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| 22:59.22 | bz16 | hellp |
| 22:59.49 | bz16 | does any one here know how to lower ur lag on bz flags |
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