| 00:01.25 | brad | :( |
| 00:01.51 | JeffM2501 | if they could we woudln't have to kick for cheats :) |
| 00:01.54 | spldart | Hehe.. spawn a transporter... or abrubtly activate one on their heads :) |
| 00:02.09 | JeffM2501 | can't |
| 00:02.12 | JeffM2501 | map can't change at runtime |
| 00:02.13 | spldart | I know.. being silly |
| 00:02.56 | brad | already got a way of doing it, i was just wondering if it was possible without having to kill the player |
| 00:03.20 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 00:04.08 | Erroneous | old clients had a very good reason for not responding to player updates for themselves ;) |
| 00:06.00 | brad | so other players cant make you do stuff? :P |
| 00:06.22 | Erroneous | brad: exactly |
| 00:07.44 | spldart | I was thinking of getting a mini itx mobo for fun.... Will the onboard S3 Graphics UniChrome Pro IGP support bzflag play at all... Just curious |
| 00:07.56 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/include/bzfsAPI.h: API functions to get info about flags. |
| 00:08.12 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx): API functions to get info about flags. |
| 00:08.31 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx: API functions to get info about flags. |
| 00:09.32 | spldart | It's spech seem to suggest yes |
| 00:09.40 | spldart | s/specs/spech |
| 00:09.53 | JeffM2501 | it can but it's sucky |
| 00:09.56 | JeffM2501 | REALY sucky |
| 00:10.03 | Erroneous | unichromes suck bigtime at opengl |
| 00:10.04 | JeffM2501 | I had a system with that chip |
| 00:10.09 | JeffM2501 | it ran ish |
| 00:10.13 | JeffM2501 | sometimes crashed on exit |
| 00:10.17 | JeffM2501 | get a real card |
| 00:10.29 | JeffM2501 | even modern ntel onbaord is better then unichrome |
| 00:10.35 | Erroneous | you can find mini itx's with GF6100 onboard |
| 00:10.44 | Erroneous | which more than adequate for bzflag |
| 00:10.52 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 00:11.06 | JeffM2501 | I was geting 50ish frames at full res on my 6150 |
| 00:11.20 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: full quality and aniso? |
| 00:11.27 | JeffM2501 | no aniso |
| 00:11.32 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 00:11.32 | JeffM2501 | but in experimental |
| 00:11.36 | JeffM2501 | no AA etehr |
| 00:11.38 | a_meteorite | is that for 2.1? |
| 00:11.40 | JeffM2501 | it's not a magic chip |
| 00:11.43 | spldart | well... It's a itx... I can't get a real card |
| 00:11.44 | JeffM2501 | but it's a good onboard |
| 00:11.51 | spldart | but lemme look at other itx's |
| 00:11.51 | JeffM2501 | spldart, who says |
| 00:12.00 | JeffM2501 | some have 1/2 height AGP slots |
| 00:12.03 | a_meteorite | they have itx with pci x16 |
| 00:12.13 | spldart | right.. but the one I'm looking at doe3snt |
| 00:12.13 | a_meteorite | I've seen some boards with it |
| 00:12.24 | spldart | and the one pci will get a wireless nic stuck in it |
| 00:12.26 | Erroneous | look at a different one ;) |
| 00:12.30 | spldart | But I'll browse |
| 00:12.31 | spldart | hehe |
| 00:12.36 | Erroneous | that's why I suggested the 6100 onboard |
| 00:12.36 | JeffM2501 | USB your wireless |
| 00:12.40 | spldart | NO |
| 00:12.44 | Erroneous | heh |
| 00:12.46 | spldart | I have a modified pci card |
| 00:12.50 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: of all people to suggest that... ;) |
| 00:12.52 | spldart | and that waveguide |
| 00:12.57 | spldart | and some diabolical plans |
| 00:12.58 | JeffM2501 | I want to share the pain |
| 00:13.02 | Erroneous | heh |
| 00:13.08 | a_meteorite | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS4076168220.html |
| 00:13.16 | JeffM2501 | chris's wireless just sucks |
| 00:13.21 | JeffM2501 | I swear it's the train tracks |
| 00:13.22 | a_meteorite | of course, that's just one board. I was looking around some months ago and there were more |
| 00:17.03 | Erroneous | spldart: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813170012 |
| 00:18.15 | spldart | That's outside what I'm willing to budget for this silly project hehe |
| 00:18.36 | TD-Linux | the savage S3 on this laptop doesn't even support transparency, but that's a different cihp... |
| 00:19.01 | Erroneous | spldart: not really the cheapest, but it WILL play bzflag well :) |
| 00:19.13 | spldart | I can imagine! DVI and all |
| 00:19.15 | a_meteorite | integrated bzflag? |
| 00:19.22 | spldart | heh |
| 00:19.29 | Erroneous | bzflag in the palm of your hand ;) |
| 00:19.34 | a_meteorite | lol |
| 00:20.04 | spldart | I'm really wanting to build an intergrated PC in my old hotrod |
| 00:20.35 | Erroneous | hmm...tank games while you're driving...bad idea ;) |
| 00:20.41 | spldart | itx mobo, laptop hdd, one of those flexandfold keyboards etc |
| 00:21.07 | TD-Linux | steering wheel/footpedals: new input method! |
| 00:21.16 | TD-Linux | warning: shut off engine before playing. |
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| 00:24.03 | spldart | http://spldart.opencombat.net:92/nightstandproject.jpg |
| 00:24.27 | spldart | and car abilities |
| 00:24.29 | spldart | http://spldart.opencombat.net:92/cleanfloor.jpg |
| 00:24.55 | TD-Linux | spldart: does the hum help you go to sleep? |
| 00:25.12 | spldart | http://spldart.opencombat.net:92/dart-wallnroof.jpg |
| 00:25.18 | spldart | hmm?> |
| 00:25.21 | spldart | No hmm |
| 00:25.44 | spldart | But sometimes I like confort tv/mp3/avi to sleep by |
| 00:25.57 | TD-Linux | what are the round things? |
| 00:26.11 | TD-Linux | speakers? |
| 00:26.13 | spldart | In the last picture? |
| 00:26.19 | spldart | 8 18 inch subs |
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| 00:27.42 | spldart | 8 45.7cm subs for those in rest of world hehehe |
| 00:27.52 | a_meteorite | anyone have any experience with a shishkebab? |
| 00:27.58 | spldart | I was thinking a center console on the tranny hump with lcd built in and itx mobo behind |
| 00:28.09 | spldart | The dish? |
| 00:28.09 | a_meteorite | he went around snooping on BZFX... and found something he shouldn't have... O_o |
| 00:28.14 | a_meteorite | no, the player |
| 00:28.18 | spldart | heh |
| 00:28.21 | spldart | never heard of it |
| 00:28.23 | a_meteorite | it's not advertised either. he just "found it" |
| 00:28.30 | a_meteorite | funnily, he's never even posted on the bzbb once |
| 00:28.37 | a_meteorite | wonder why he's so interested |
| 00:28.40 | spldart | it him |
| 00:30.36 | JeffM2501 | I also posted docs for those new funcitons on bzbb, maybe I can get myself to post docs there when I add stuff, and somone can then work it into real docs that are all cool and spelled right. |
| 00:31.36 | inchworm | spldart: hit him? spit him? fit him for concrete shoes? |
| 00:32.03 | L4m3r | JeffM2501: if you need something proofread and DTR isn't around, you can hit me up |
| 00:32.15 | L4m3r | (just not now- I have to get ready for work) |
| 00:33.33 | JeffM2501 | that's why I figured the fourms would work |
| 00:33.38 | JeffM2501 | so anyone could proof em |
| 00:34.02 | JeffM2501 | I'd love the docs to be in a wiki or something |
| 00:34.14 | JeffM2501 | but it may be best to have them be doc files that go with each release |
| 00:40.01 | L4m3r | you could do both |
| 00:40.30 | L4m3r | take a snapshot from the wiki for each release ;) |
| 00:43.01 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: replied to API function wishlist |
| 00:43.32 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 00:43.41 | a_meteorite | just letting you know ;) |
| 00:43.56 | a_meteorite | it's a simple request, bz_getMaxTeamCount, but it'd be nice to have it official |
| 00:44.27 | a_meteorite | I like the new flag functions |
| 00:45.16 | brad | JeffM2501: I are you putting the new API stuff into 2.0? |
| 00:45.16 | JeffM2501 | read |
| 00:46.04 | JeffM2501 | then read the commits |
| 00:46.31 | brad | ooo |
| 00:48.16 | Erroneous | L4m3r: I'm trying to decide whether you are thoughtless or nefarious in your comment that "random bantering on irc is more fun"... ;) |
| 00:48.47 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v Erroneous] by ChanServ |
| 00:48.50 | a_meteorite | these words are too long |
| 00:48.51 | L4m3r | Erroneous: I wasn't really referring to this channel ;) |
| 00:48.56 | a_meteorite | ~dict nefarious |
| 00:49.02 | a_meteorite | k |
| 00:49.02 | Erroneous | but you know that's what they're going to think :) |
| 00:49.06 | L4m3r | heh |
| 00:49.11 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, so you just want the values specified with -mp ? |
| 00:49.16 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: yes |
| 00:49.18 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 00:49.19 | L4m3r | so what... no one uses #bzchat anyway |
| 00:49.30 | Erroneous | for a reason ;) |
| 00:49.52 | L4m3r | op me and it won't be an issue :D (jk) |
| 00:50.06 | *** kick/#bzflag [L4m3r!n=JeffM@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501] by JeffM2501 (JeffM2501) |
| 00:50.12 | JeffM2501 | oops wrong item |
| 00:50.14 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 00:50.16 | a_meteorite | lol |
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| 00:50.34 | L4m3r | that wasn't nice |
| 00:50.42 | JeffM2501 | I know, I'm sorry |
| 00:50.46 | JeffM2501 | it was funny to me :) |
| 00:50.54 | JeffM2501 | "oops wrong item" :) |
| 00:50.58 | L4m3r | heh |
| 00:51.37 | L4m3r | now my tabs are out of order. :( oh well, time for work anyway |
| 00:51.42 | JeffM2501 | heh |
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| 00:54.50 | Thumper_ | brad: /reload loses global perms but you can /reload individual things like the group file, help files, etc |
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| 01:09.03 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, your sig is not a soapbox for personal atacks |
| 01:09.30 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: did you see what h0ley said on the forums about my mom? |
| 01:09.36 | JeffM2501 | don't care |
| 01:09.40 | JeffM2501 | that is an admin issue |
| 01:09.48 | a_meteorite | it wasn't dealt with |
| 01:09.57 | JeffM2501 | then why didn't you tell an admin? |
| 01:09.59 | JeffM2501 | where is the post? |
| 01:10.06 | a_meteorite | it was deleted by blast007 |
| 01:10.10 | a_meteorite | but he never spoke to h0ley |
| 01:10.21 | JeffM2501 | that dosn't give you right to atack him |
| 01:10.39 | blast007 | a_meteorite: I told h0ley I deleted it |
| 01:11.10 | a_meteorite | h0ley said he didn't care :P |
| 01:11.15 | a_meteorite | plus no admin dealt with it, so I figured I'd embaras him some |
| 01:11.18 | JeffM2501 | so what? your special now? |
| 01:11.25 | a_meteorite | blast007: you didn't talk to him now? |
| 01:11.25 | JeffM2501 | then your as bad as him |
| 01:11.26 | a_meteorite | *talk to him at all |
| 01:11.30 | JeffM2501 | no more sig privs for you |
| 01:11.34 | a_meteorite | I just removed it |
| 01:11.44 | a_meteorite | like 3 mins ago |
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| 01:42.17 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/include/bzfsAPI.h: API function to get the playe limits for each team. |
| 01:42.34 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx: API function to get the playe limits for each team. |
| 01:43.10 | a_meteorite | thanks JeffM2501 |
| 01:43.16 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 01:43.41 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/include/bzfsAPI.h: API functions to get info about flags. |
| 01:43.44 | JeffM2501 | I didn't name it the same as yours tho |
| 01:43.53 | a_meteorite | what'd you name it? |
| 01:43.58 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx: API functions to get info about flags. |
| 01:44.02 | JeffM2501 | BZF_API unsigned int bz_getTeamPlayerLimit ( bz_eTeamType team ) |
| 01:44.07 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 01:44.13 | JeffM2501 | little more verbose |
| 01:44.19 | a_meteorite | yeah :) |
| 01:44.19 | JeffM2501 | so DTRemenak will hate it more |
| 01:44.24 | a_meteorite | lol |
| 01:44.29 | a_meteorite | he likes verbose functions? |
| 01:44.33 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 01:44.38 | a_meteorite | *hates |
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| 01:57.24 | donny_baker | jeffm2510: don't forget to document that on the forums :p |
| 01:57.35 | donny_baker | jeffm2501* |
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| 02:44.11 | spldart | I seem to be a natural at LouMan's KeepAway map. 4 minutes with 7 on 7 and I'm scoring 22 8-0 |
| 02:44.34 | spldart | that's twice now |
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| 02:46.18 | donny_baker | heh... 5 minutes for me and im at -22 ;p |
| 02:51.26 | spldart | :( |
| 02:52.06 | spldart | Laser is devestating on that map and rico of L isn't to bad to it's not to easy to accidentily TK :) |
| 02:53.22 | spldart | sry for the run on |
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| 04:46.25 | [NP]Tangent | YES! |
| 04:46.29 | [NP]Tangent | I CAN NOW RESET FLAGS! |
| 04:46.32 | [NP]Tangent | with plugins |
| 04:46.38 | [NP]Tangent | thank you so much, Jeff |
| 04:46.39 | [NP]Tangent | oh wait |
| 04:46.41 | [NP]Tangent | he's not here |
| 04:52.01 | SportChick | ibot: ping |
| 04:52.02 | ibot | pong |
| 05:00.12 | a_meteorite | ~pwn SportChick |
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| 05:02.08 | [NP]Tangent | ~bzfrag a_meteorite |
| 05:02.12 | a_meteorite | ~protect me |
| 05:02.22 | a_meteorite | ... |
| 05:03.35 | [NP]Tangent | ibot, go die plz |
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| 05:04.46 | SportChick | brlcad: ping |
| 05:04.48 | SportChick | your box is down :( |
| 05:05.59 | [NP]Tangent | aye aye aye |
| 05:06.06 | [NP]Tangent | where's global auth gone to |
| 05:06.14 | short_circuit | down down down.. to the very nipple of the world! /MST3K |
| 05:06.22 | a_meteorite | eh? |
| 05:06.36 | short_circuit | Mystery Science Theater 3000 |
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| 05:31.34 | brlcad | that was odd |
| 05:32.03 | SportChick | brlcad: very |
| 05:32.20 | SportChick | the first time it disconnected me from freenode but screen and irssi were fine |
| 05:32.36 | SportChick | the second time I got disconnected from the box but everything was still running when I got back on |
| 05:32.57 | a_meteorite | maybe the box's net went out? |
| 05:33.09 | a_meteorite | that'd explain why your processes were left untouched :) |
| 05:33.09 | brlcad | some switch was probably reset |
| 05:33.25 | brlcad | first an outbound, then an inbound or somesuch |
| 05:35.27 | mbfg | er, slab |
| 05:35.32 | DTRemenak | mm, steak |
| 05:35.58 | DTRemenak | and howdy, mbfg! |
| 05:36.04 | mbfg | lo |
| 05:36.15 | SportChick | DTRemenak: sushi is sort of up in the air atm |
| 05:36.20 | SportChick | I think I'm going to mammoth this weekend |
| 05:36.31 | DTRemenak | you better catch it, it's likely to hit somebody! |
| 05:36.44 | DTRemenak | ah, cool :) |
| 05:36.46 | DTRemenak | have fun |
| 05:38.49 | brlcad | is it a wooley one? |
| 05:40.24 | SportChick | DTRemenak: I'm not positive til we go |
| 05:40.30 | SportChick | but it's 60-40 right now |
| 05:41.10 | brlcad | ~60-40 |
| 05:41.11 | ibot | 20 |
| 05:41.33 | DTRemenak | not positive til you go? does that mean you'll be shedding some electrons? ;) |
| 05:41.42 | brlcad | outlook not looking so good |
| 05:41.51 | DTRemenak | outlook is never good |
| 05:41.58 | brlcad | hehe |
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| 10:06.03 | lepoulpe303 | Hi all |
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| 15:34.57 | [NP]Tangent | ~cvs |
| 15:35.01 | ibot | i guess cvs is concurrent versions systems. more info here http://www.cvshome.org/. The asterisk CVS is no more. Please see svn. |
| 15:35.17 | [NP]Tangent | ~svn |
| 15:35.19 | ibot | from memory, subversion is version control software. see http://subversion.tigris.org/ it aims to be a better CVS than CVS. |
| 15:35.33 | [NP]Tangent | ~commands |
| 15:35.41 | [NP]Tangent | I forget what bz cvs is |
| 15:35.46 | [NP]Tangent | ~bzcvs |
| 15:35.47 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P bzflag (this is for HEAD ie: 2.1 see also bz20cvs) |
| 15:35.51 | [NP]Tangent | woot |
| 15:36.03 | [NP]Tangent | ~bz20cvs |
| 15:36.04 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag |
| 15:36.06 | [NP]Tangent | k |
| 15:36.07 | [NP]Tangent | done now |
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| 16:29.07 | SportChick | hi TimRiker |
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| 16:44.51 | short_circuit | How do I kill my spldart name? |
| 16:45.09 | short_circuit | stupid fax killed the dsl here at work |
| 16:45.35 | CBG | /msg nickserv ghost spldart password |
| 16:46.33 | short_circuit | can't get it to work :( |
| 16:47.58 | short_circuit | Odd... it keeps saying password Incorrect but I know it's right... with and without quotes around it |
| 16:48.22 | short_circuit | finally! |
| 16:48.38 | short_circuit | thanks... I don't know why it took 5 tries to get it to work but it finally did |
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| 17:17.21 | CBG | spldart: :) |
| 17:18.13 | CBG | Anyone know why bzfs might say that I loaded a plugin successfully and list it when I do /listplugins yet act as if it is not loaded in that the plugin /commands are "Unknown"...? |
| 17:18.38 | brad | because the error checking sucks? |
| 17:19.01 | CBG | Could be... |
| 17:19.17 | CBG | But the plugin works for others... just not me. Mac 10.3.9. |
| 17:19.51 | blast007 | CBG: try reinstalling Windows |
| 17:20.09 | JeffM2501 | perhaps the custom command load failed |
| 17:20.15 | CBG | try a slice of stfu, blast007 :P |
| 17:20.22 | JeffM2501 | or more then one thing has the same name |
| 17:20.34 | CBG | JeffM2501: well, I know the plugin works for others, it's "mapchange"... |
| 17:20.50 | JeffM2501 | hmm dunno how that one works |
| 17:21.19 | JeffM2501 | I can look at it in a bit if you want tho and see what could cause it to screw up |
| 17:21.23 | CBG | it has /mapchange and /maplist commands, they don't work for me :( |
| 17:21.33 | CBG | yeah, that'd be great.. |
| 17:21.45 | JeffM2501 | IIRC it also does some other wierd stuff to know what to do when the server restarts |
| 17:21.50 | JeffM2501 | so maybe some external file is jacking it up |
| 17:23.00 | CBG | I'll look over the mapchange instructions again in case I'm the problem... |
| 17:37.36 | CBG | Hmm... ./bzfs: can't map file: /usr/local/lib/ ((os/kern) invalid argument) Plugin:plugins/mapchange not found, error dlcompat: object file setup failure WARNING: unable to load the plugin; plugins/mapchange |
| 17:46.50 | CBG | Does that shed any light? |
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| 18:08.17 | JeffM2501 | CBG, it's like it can't find the file, tha'ts ood |
| 18:08.24 | JeffM2501 | where do I get the source for the plugin? |
| 18:08.42 | blast007 | it was released on the forum |
| 18:09.02 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 18:09.03 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
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| 18:10.22 | A-Delusion | So far we only have six hundred seventy maps loaded on the server.... http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=100958#100958 |
| 18:11.45 | JeffM2501 | how often does it rotate them? |
| 18:12.12 | ruskie | hmm sounds somewhat like what my server had but it had a voting system for maps as well |
| 18:12.49 | ruskie | and settings were in the maps direct |
| 18:13.34 | JeffM2501 | CBG, it looks like it uses an output file that you specify as a paramter |
| 18:13.38 | JeffM2501 | have you tried deleteing that? |
| 18:13.57 | TD-Linux | me and Theme97 were trying to do something vaguely similar a while back, where you could start a 15-minute server through a web page, picking a map from a library or uploading one |
| 18:14.10 | ruskie | I just had it on rottation |
| 18:14.25 | A-Delusion | I'm gonna debug another plugin, that gnurdux made.... as long as you're the only player on the server (not counting observers) it grants any registered player the CONFCHANGE perm |
| 18:14.31 | ruskie | but adding a /vote map +/0/- might be a good idea |
| 18:14.40 | A-Delusion | it doesnt change if no one is there |
| 18:14.43 | CBG | JeffM2501: I'm following instructions here: |
| 18:14.50 | ruskie | that way you have it automated |
| 18:14.58 | CBG | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=9903 |
| 18:15.25 | CBG | my mapchange.out file has the filename of one of the confs, like the example |
| 18:16.53 | JeffM2501 | try just deleting your .out file |
| 18:16.56 | JeffM2501 | and rerun |
| 18:17.16 | JeffM2501 | and man do I realy have to make a better way of reseting the server |
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| 18:17.31 | JeffM2501 | wonder how hard it would be to go thru the shutdown, but not actualy exit, and then relaunch |
| 18:18.00 | fiberchunks | hey y'all. It's been such a long time and I'm trying to play right now, but I have no idea what my identification password is -- where is it stored and / or how do I reset it? |
| 18:18.11 | fiberchunks | what's happenin JeffM2501 :) |
| 18:18.18 | JeffM2501 | it's your fourm login |
| 18:18.25 | JeffM2501 | not much, how you doin? |
| 18:18.32 | A-Delusion | If you want to change maps right now, request to join the mofo.league usergroup, i'll grant the perm. |
| 18:18.34 | fiberchunks | hrm, alrighty |
| 18:18.38 | fiberchunks | pretty good thanks, and you? |
| 18:18.44 | JeffM2501 | and don't use /identify |
| 18:18.48 | CBG | JeffM2501: now: cat: mapchange.out: No such file or directory |
| 18:18.51 | fiberchunks | what do I use? |
| 18:18.51 | JeffM2501 | just put your password into the password field. |
| 18:19.03 | fiberchunks | ah ha - cool |
| 18:19.06 | JeffM2501 | the game now nativly suports logins |
| 18:19.20 | JeffM2501 | CBG, hmm, I dunno then |
| 18:19.35 | JeffM2501 | the error realy looks like some sort of system error loading the lib |
| 18:19.45 | JeffM2501 | I can't see anything in the plugin that would make it geek |
| 18:20.06 | CBG | :( |
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| 18:27.00 | CBG | Hmm, seems like a lot isn't working. For example, I set a conf which adds 4 shots as the starting conf, but I have only 1 shot. |
| 18:27.51 | JeffM2501 | very odd |
| 18:28.00 | A-Delusion | cbg, read the .out file and confirm what the server actually loaded |
| 18:28.33 | A-Delusion | i don't suggest modifying the .out file, but fixing the .conf that caused it. |
| 18:28.38 | CBG | the one it should have... |
| 18:28.50 | CBG | the conf that caused what? |
| 18:29.02 | JeffM2501 | where does it store what map to use next when it relauches? some temp file? |
| 18:29.10 | CBG | seems to me that the mapchange.sh script doesn't load the conf in mapchange.out |
| 18:29.15 | CBG | mapchange.out |
| 18:29.24 | JeffM2501 | so it re-writes that each time? |
| 18:29.30 | JeffM2501 | does it create it if it dosnt' exist? |
| 18:29.31 | CBG | supposedly so |
| 18:29.49 | A-Delusion | CBG, sorry, nevermind... I'm thinking of my two-part conf-loading.sh script |
| 18:30.04 | CBG | dunno |
| 18:30.14 | blast007 | CBG: do other plugins load? |
| 18:30.32 | CBG | I'm using the 2-part one. |
| 18:30.41 | CBG | Didn't try any other plugins... |
| 18:31.00 | blast007 | k |
| 18:31.15 | blast007 | might let us know if it's your plugin building in general, or if it's just that one plugin |
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| 18:31.35 | CBG | true |
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| 18:33.23 | A-Delusion | cbg... oh you are loading that.. ok then CONF.TMP is the file bzfs actually loads |
| 18:37.32 | CBG | blast007: seems like a problem with airspawn too..... ./070125/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs: can't map file: /usr/local/lib/ ((os/kern) invalid argument) |
| 18:37.32 | CBG | WARNING: unable to load the plugin; 070125/bzflag/plugins/airspaw/.libs/airspawn.so |
| 18:38.04 | CBG | A-Delusion: ok, well, the last line in that file is: "-groupdb ./groups.txt04.conf" where groups.txt = my group file and "04.conf" is a conf file. |
| 18:38.31 | CBG | should it be tagged onto the last line like that? |
| 18:39.15 | A-Delusion | the tmp file should have exact copies of both parts of your conf in it |
| 18:39.35 | A-Delusion | concantatered |
| 18:40.40 | JeffM2501 | god I wonder if this will work |
| 18:40.40 | A-Delusion | I'm gonna pastebin my latest script, tell me if it's exactly the script you have. |
| 18:41.01 | CBG | mapchange.sh ? |
| 18:42.28 | A-Delusion | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/329394 |
| 18:42.31 | A-Delusion | yep |
| 18:43.48 | A-Delusion | if it's different, the change will be in the .build area |
| 18:45.44 | JeffM2501 | so I'm thinking of an API command that kicks everyone, removes there player, clears the world, and then reloads a new one. then begins listening again |
| 18:45.53 | JeffM2501 | basicly be able to change the map with out a bzfs restart |
| 18:46.13 | CBG | I took your version, A-Delusion, and changed some paths... |
| 18:46.21 | CBG | now the correct conf is loaded, at least |
| 18:46.31 | CBG | but /mapchange is still not recognised |
| 18:47.08 | A-Delusion | you're doing this on your home system? |
| 18:47.59 | A-Delusion | Jeff, amazing, that's wild. |
| 18:48.36 | CBG | A-Delusion: yep, still getting that error I posted above... |
| 18:48.53 | JeffM2501 | I'd have to change the getWorld event to be able to return a mapfile path name |
| 18:48.56 | CBG | ./bzfs: can't map file: /Users/Matthew/070125/bzflag/plugins/mapchange ((os/kern) invalid argument) ... Plugin:/Users/Matthew/070125/bzflag/plugins/mapchange not found, error dlcompat: object file setup failure ... WARNING: unable to load the plugin; /Users/Matthew/070125/bzflag/plugins/mapchange |
| 18:50.36 | A-Delusion | did you chmod the script? otherwise sounds like a bad build, I never changed anything in the source. |
| 18:51.02 | A-Delusion | or simply a bad path |
| 18:51.45 | CBG | chmod didn't help. I'm pretty sure I did it before.. |
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| 18:53.52 | A-Delusion | at least that's the thing's I'd be able to fix, I suggest symlinks for your plugin and bzfs paths... i can't help ifit's a bad build |
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| 18:55.43 | CBG | i'll try again later. got pretty much all weekend free - I'll figure it out somehow |
| 18:56.02 | CBG | and when I do, I can finally TRY to modify the plugin. :P |
| 18:56.16 | A-Delusion | AFAIK you're the first to attempt building mapchange on a MAC, if you do succeed, post your .so. |
| 19:00.35 | A-Delusion | this MIGHT be it... don't know if it's a problem or not... there's a pre-compiled debian.so inside the zipfile I posted as mapchange source. you might want to remove that and recompile |
| 19:00.47 | A-Delusion | maybe |
| 19:01.37 | A-Delusion | Is that a problem? .. anybody? |
| 19:06.03 | blast007 | well...I think the main issue isn't that plugin, it's all of CBG's plugins :P |
| 19:06.43 | CBG | Probably... bbl. |
| 19:09.26 | A-Delusion | blast, should I remove the .so from the zipfile? |
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| 19:15.17 | blast007 | A-Delusion: *shrugs* |
| 19:18.33 | JeffM2501 | good god it works |
| 19:19.42 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: surprised? :) |
| 19:19.45 | JeffM2501 | somewhat |
| 19:19.54 | JeffM2501 | I though I'd have to delete and reset more |
| 19:20.12 | JeffM2501 | but it's just kill the world, reload it, and reset all the flags. |
| 19:20.32 | JeffM2501 | I also stoped any recordings |
| 19:20.58 | a_meteorite | this is possible with 2.0.x? |
| 19:21.03 | a_meteorite | or is this a plugin for 2.1? |
| 19:21.17 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, yes |
| 19:21.22 | JeffM2501 | it still boots everyone |
| 19:21.32 | JeffM2501 | but dosn't reboot the server, or reload the plugins |
| 19:21.35 | a_meteorite | still makes for easy restarts |
| 19:21.49 | JeffM2501 | so the plugin can just go specifiy the next map in the GetWorld Event |
| 19:21.54 | a_meteorite | can you provide an option for making a -cacheout ? |
| 19:22.02 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 19:22.14 | a_meteorite | a map cache file |
| 19:22.22 | JeffM2501 | brad, that sounds like a bug with recording |
| 19:22.29 | a_meteorite | bzfs has a -cacheout option which I use for every server |
| 19:22.29 | JeffM2501 | the plugin just stops and starts it automaticly |
| 19:22.35 | JeffM2501 | what does that do? |
| 19:22.43 | a_meteorite | and then -cache so it tells clients to use that cached map |
| 19:22.58 | a_meteorite | it spits out a compressed map to somewhere like a webserver can read it |
| 19:23.07 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 19:23.10 | JeffM2501 | have to look into that |
| 19:23.11 | brad | JeffM2501: ah yes, maybe, didn't think about that |
| 19:23.15 | a_meteorite | then you can specify -cache for the actual serving and the client downloads that |
| 19:23.18 | JeffM2501 | the server sill has to read the map from somewhere |
| 19:23.26 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 19:23.34 | JeffM2501 | I'll make an event so the plugin can provide the URL |
| 19:23.43 | a_meteorite | but since bzfs already has that functionality, maybe you can expose that to the api? |
| 19:23.50 | a_meteorite | k |
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| 19:23.52 | JeffM2501 | cus it looks like the server still reads the non cached map |
| 19:23.58 | JeffM2501 | only the client reads the cached map |
| 19:24.08 | a_meteorite | yes |
| 19:24.26 | Erroneous | the server generates the cached map, JeffM2501 |
| 19:24.32 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 19:24.36 | JeffM2501 | but it dosn't seem to read it |
| 19:24.39 | Erroneous | no |
| 19:24.47 | Erroneous | it just provides it so the clients can |
| 19:25.00 | JeffM2501 | I can put a hook so the plugins can overide that URL |
| 19:25.18 | Erroneous | he wants it to regenerate it when the map changes |
| 19:25.19 | JeffM2501 | or just set it |
| 19:25.21 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 19:25.26 | Erroneous | not change the url |
| 19:25.28 | Erroneous | same url |
| 19:25.28 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 19:25.31 | Erroneous | rewrite the file |
| 19:25.32 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 19:25.40 | JeffM2501 | ok, well I can make a call to do that |
| 19:25.41 | a_meteorite | I do -cacheout based on the port number |
| 19:25.48 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 19:25.49 | JeffM2501 | I'll do both |
| 19:25.52 | JeffM2501 | an API to set the URL |
| 19:25.52 | a_meteorite | http://bzfx.net/cache/ |
| 19:25.58 | JeffM2501 | and one to force dump a cache out |
| 19:26.11 | Erroneous | basically a_meteorite has a setup to use the same file for a given server all the time |
| 19:26.15 | a_meteorite | so it'd be nice to keep it the same so the clients know where to get it? |
| 19:26.17 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 19:26.23 | a_meteorite | kinda like that :) |
| 19:26.33 | a_meteorite | (well, more like where *I* know where it is) |
| 19:26.48 | Erroneous | although I do wonder if a_meteorite realizes that that kills the client-side cache |
| 19:26.58 | a_meteorite | Erroneous: it does? |
| 19:27.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:27.02 | Erroneous | iirc yes |
| 19:27.03 | a_meteorite | the cache doesn't change often |
| 19:27.06 | JeffM2501 | cus it redoes it each time |
| 19:27.14 | Erroneous | changes every time you switch maps |
| 19:27.19 | JeffM2501 | best would be to have a cache file for each map |
| 19:27.22 | JeffM2501 | and change the URL each time |
| 19:27.22 | a_meteorite | yes, but that map usually stays for awhile |
| 19:27.22 | Erroneous | which means when you switch maps, the client has to redownload |
| 19:27.29 | JeffM2501 | that way if they ahve all the maps, they download nothing |
| 19:27.36 | Erroneous | even if he's been on that map before |
| 19:27.36 | a_meteorite | hmmm |
| 19:27.58 | Erroneous | most maps aren't that big, so it's not a huge deal |
| 19:28.08 | a_meteorite | that'd be a tad difficult, I'd have to do it based on the world name and then keep revision numbers... |
| 19:28.16 | a_meteorite | to keep them unique |
| 19:29.06 | Erroneous | what JeffM2501 was suggesting was that the cache URL provided could be changed at the same time as the world |
| 19:29.06 | a_meteorite | it'd also be nice to generate a cache |
| 19:29.06 | Erroneous | so one cache file per world file, rather than one per port |
| 19:29.10 | Erroneous | sure |
| 19:29.11 | a_meteorite | that would be awesome |
| 19:29.25 | blast007 | MapFile.bzw --> MapFile.cache ;) |
| 19:29.25 | JeffM2501 | I'm looking to see if I can force the cache generation. |
| 19:30.02 | a_meteorite | blast007: that's what I was thinking, I just have that set-up now cause I don't have any regex skills so I can't really get the world file from a bash script |
| 19:30.10 | a_meteorite | *world name |
| 19:31.05 | blast007 | or even MapFile.bzw.cacheout, if that's easier |
| 19:31.14 | a_meteorite | considering those cache files don't change very often (except a restart), and most players join my server more than a few times, I figure it's worth it |
| 19:32.13 | JeffM2501 | I can make the API generate the cache |
| 19:32.16 | JeffM2501 | on demand |
| 19:32.18 | a_meteorite | great |
| 19:33.15 | JeffM2501 | so you could see if the file exists and then generate it if it does not |
| 19:34.02 | a_meteorite | something by the same world name does not necessarily mean that it is the same revision of the world |
| 19:34.13 | a_meteorite | (md5 on the file comes to mind) |
| 19:34.27 | blast007 | I think the client keeps MD5 hashes provided by the server |
| 19:34.50 | a_meteorite | but wouldn't the cache you generated be invalid then? |
| 19:35.02 | a_meteorite | cause then it'll have to download from the server anyways.. defeating the purpose |
| 19:35.14 | a_meteorite | *cache you didn't generate |
| 19:35.19 | blast007 | ah, the cache file is saved with as <md5 hash>.bzc |
| 19:35.24 | brad | TimRiker: ibot and friends might need a restart, they're showing 0 factoids |
| 19:35.41 | blast007 | brad: it's better than -1 factoids! |
| 19:35.46 | a_meteorite | lol |
| 19:35.53 | CBG | A-Delusion: about the deb .so - I removed it as soon as I downloaded the thing. |
| 19:35.57 | brad | :) |
| 19:36.18 | CBG | Well, I first copied the plugin folder to the appropriate place, kept the original in my download folder, the deb .so would still be there... |
| 19:40.25 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/include/bzfsAPI.h: API calls for doing a server reset ( kick everyone and reload the map ), leting the API define the next map to load, and manage the world cache files and URLs |
| 19:40.26 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (bzfs.cxx bzfs.h bzfsAPI.cxx): API calls for doing a server reset ( kick everyone and reload the map ), leting the API define the next map to load, and manage the world cache files and URLs |
| 19:40.31 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/include/bzfsAPI.h: API calls for doing a server reset ( kick everyone and reload the map ), leting the API define the next map to load, and manage the world cache files and URLs |
| 19:40.51 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (bzfs.cxx bzfs.h bzfsAPI.cxx): API calls for doing a server reset ( kick everyone and reload the map ), leting the API define the next map to load, and manage the world cache files and URLs |
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| 19:42.39 | a_meteorite | nice |
| 19:43.09 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: test the size, not the string |
| 19:46.26 | *** join/#bzflag Bobert (n=4a6396e4@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 19:46.46 | Bobert | hi |
| 19:47.28 | Bobert | im a newb but can u aim in bzflag |
| 19:47.40 | Bobert | can u aim in bzflag |
| 19:47.50 | CBG | Yes. |
| 19:47.54 | brad | tried using your mouse or keys? :P |
| 19:47.56 | Bobert | how |
| 19:48.03 | Bobert | besides moving |
| 19:48.05 | CBG | Move your mouse or press your arrow keys. |
| 19:48.08 | a_meteorite | is it aim as in the instant messenger or aim as in look at someone to shoot? |
| 19:48.11 | brad | there is no "auto aim" |
| 19:48.12 | CBG | Moving == Aiming. |
| 19:48.28 | Bobert | is there any way to just move ure barrel |
| 19:48.31 | CBG | You can not tilt your barrel up and down, if that is what you are looking for. |
| 19:48.31 | brad | no |
| 19:48.32 | a_meteorite | heh, that's the first thing that popped into my head when he said "newb" |
| 19:48.36 | Bobert | or do u have to move |
| 19:48.46 | a_meteorite | no |
| 19:48.47 | CBG | No. Barrel is glued to the tank... some kinda stupid practical joke. |
| 19:48.48 | brad | you have to move to aim |
| 19:48.51 | a_meteorite | bzflag is meant to be simple, so you have to move your whole tank or jump to do what you want to do |
| 19:48.56 | CBG | " Moving == Aiming. "... |
| 19:49.04 | a_meteorite | but you will get good at it after a long time :) |
| 19:49.04 | Bobert | that sux lol |
| 19:49.09 | Bobert | lol |
| 19:49.11 | a_meteorite | learn to ricochet off of objects |
| 19:49.17 | CBG | So go play another FREE + OPEN SOURCE game. |
| 19:49.17 | Bobert | kk |
| 19:49.19 | a_meteorite | so you don't have to turn around all the time |
| 19:49.21 | Bobert | by guys |
| 19:49.28 | CBG | Read the help page in-game. |
| 19:49.50 | brad | there's a help page? |
| 19:49.55 | a_meteorite | yes |
| 19:50.04 | CBG | Maine Menu > Help ... |
| 19:50.05 | *** join/#bzflag Bobert (n=4a6396e4@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 19:50.12 | a_meteorite | I wouldn't say it's the BEST help, but there is one |
| 19:50.45 | CBG | Bobert: Open the game, then see: Maine Menu > Help |
| 19:50.58 | Bobert | *Main |
| 19:51.10 | a_meteorite | heh, you just posted a topic in the forums on that.. |
| 19:51.16 | a_meteorite | win xp is right, they will never happen |
| 19:51.19 | Bobert | yeah |
| 19:51.22 | a_meteorite | bzflag is meant to be simple like an arcade game |
| 19:52.16 | CBG | Dude, the game has been around for 15 years, it has never had independent barrel movement. |
| 19:52.16 | Bobert | well theres nothing wrong about them giving u that option |
| 19:52.16 | CBG | It never will. |
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| 19:52.17 | a_meteorite | they won't for very concrete reasons |
| 19:52.21 | CBG | If you want that, find a game that already has it, fork bzflag or start your own game. |
| 19:53.10 | Bobert | what do they expect snipers to do |
| 19:53.14 | Bobert | ?? |
| 19:53.18 | a_meteorite | not only would it ruin bzflag as we know it, most everyone would leave |
| 19:53.23 | a_meteorite | Bobert: to stay hidden |
| 19:53.25 | CBG | People have managed for FIFTEEN YEARS. |
| 19:53.27 | a_meteorite | or use cover |
| 19:53.37 | Bobert | y cuz there scared of updates |
| 19:53.41 | Bobert | lol |
| 19:53.41 | CBG | Win XP gave you a damn quote of why it will never happen. |
| 19:53.48 | CBG | What language are you speaking? |
| 19:53.49 | a_meteorite | no, because that is not something that will happen |
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| 19:53.53 | Bobert | i missed it i logged out |
| 19:54.04 | CBG | Sure as heck doesn't seem to be English. |
| 19:54.04 | a_meteorite | tim riker has stated no turning turrets |
| 19:54.24 | a_meteorite | because it makes the game too complex and loses that retro arcade feel |
| 19:54.27 | CBG | English has grammar, punctuation, etc. |
| 19:54.47 | Bobert | how old r u guys |
| 19:54.49 | Bobert | ke 40 |
| 19:54.54 | Bobert | like 40 |
| 19:55.02 | tannerld | eheh |
| 19:55.02 | a_meteorite | I wouldn't be surprised if I was younger than you. |
| 19:55.13 | CBG | Bobert: more importantly, how old are you? |
| 19:55.16 | a_meteorite | You can be young but use proper English. |
| 19:55.46 | Bobert | its a chat room |
| 19:55.52 | CBG | Age and quality of written English are two entirely independent and unrelated things. |
| 19:55.56 | a_meteorite | That doesn't matter. |
| 19:56.02 | CBG | No, it's an IRC channel - subtle difference. |
| 19:56.05 | a_meteorite | We need to see something other than AIM speak to understand you. |
| 19:56.15 | CBG | This is not a text message to your other 9 year old buddies. |
| 19:56.24 | Bobert | ure right |
| 19:56.27 | a_meteorite | CBG: yeah, I know people who are 40 and can't spell worth beans. |
| 19:56.31 | Bobert | its to 45 yera olds |
| 19:56.35 | CBG | We appreciate the use of punctuation and grammar, it'll give you more respect. |
| 19:56.40 | Bobert | who play childish games |
| 19:56.46 | CBG | a_meteorite: Jeff's a good example. |
| 19:56.48 | Bobert | cuz they still think there 18 |
| 19:56.50 | a_meteorite | And it doesn't make you look like a n00b when you use proper English. |
| 19:56.54 | CBG | Bobert: How old are you? |
| 19:56.59 | brad | o/< |
| 19:57.04 | Bobert | 18 |
| 19:57.04 | CBG | n00bs sux0r. |
| 19:57.06 | a_meteorite | Bobert: I have news for you, we're not 40. |
| 19:57.11 | Bobert | as a matter of fact |
| 19:57.15 | tannerld | heh |
| 19:57.18 | CBG | Then you are older that everyone who has spoken to you so far. |
| 19:57.34 | CBG | a_meteorite, tannerld, brad and myself are all younger than 18. |
| 19:57.48 | Bobert | then how old r u guys |
| 19:57.48 | tannerld | :) |
| 19:57.51 | a_meteorite | So is tannerld. |
| 19:58.00 | CBG | Yet we manage to speak English which is far superior to yours, Bobert. |
| 19:58.01 | tannerld | He said me. :P |
| 19:58.08 | a_meteorite | Oh. Hehe. |
| 19:58.14 | Bobert | if ure under 18 then wat do u know about retro arcade game that r 20 years old |
| 19:58.28 | a_meteorite | Bobert: The devs know a lot about it. |
| 19:58.29 | tannerld | errr... |
| 19:58.34 | CBG | Perhaps you should enlighten us as to why talking like a retarded 9 year old is so beneficial to everyone, oh wise one. |
| 19:58.39 | Bobert | that wood meen there at lest 3 years older then u |
| 19:58.46 | a_meteorite | And the devs tell us their ideas. |
| 19:58.51 | CBG | Bobert: we have quoted the developers. |
| 19:58.53 | a_meteorite | No, that would mean they're in their 20s and 30s. |
| 19:59.44 | Bobert | bottom line is that they either introduce aiming or this game is nothing unique |
| 19:59.56 | Bobert | just like any online game |
| 19:59.58 | tannerld | aiming? |
| 20:00.06 | CBG | Then the game is nothing unique... |
| 20:00.12 | a_meteorite | Tell that to the thousands of users who love this game. |
| 20:00.16 | brad | the aiming has been fine for years. people like it as it is |
| 20:00.19 | a_meteorite | They like it because it IS unique. |
| 20:00.26 | a_meteorite | Most other games have aiming, this doesn't. |
| 20:00.27 | brad | if you don't like it play another game |
| 20:00.32 | a_meteorite | So they develop skills. |
| 20:00.34 | CBG | Who fucking cares? We all enjoy it, the game has a huge user base, why should we make such a significant change to suit one stupid teenager who can't type for shit? |
| 20:00.41 | a_meteorite | CBG: Wrong channel. |
| 20:00.41 | Bobert | what makes it special? spiffy colord tanks? |
| 20:00.54 | a_meteorite | Bobert: Everything that you don't like makes it special. |
| 20:01.08 | Bobert | like...... |
| 20:01.11 | Bobert | ?? |
| 20:01.12 | a_meteorite | CBG: Never mind. |
| 20:01.20 | a_meteorite | Like aiming makes it unique. |
| 20:01.25 | a_meteorite | *no aiming |
| 20:01.33 | tannerld | Its not like normal games with all the high quality stuff and other game-play things that make it unique |
| 20:01.43 | CBG | Bobert: the game has over 10000 registered users. People LIKE IT HOW IT IS. |
| 20:01.53 | CBG | Everyone and their dog - except you, it seems. |
| 20:01.59 | retro | CBG, don't waste your fingers. He's just baiting you |
| 20:02.00 | Bobert | so lack of quality is good tannerld |
| 20:02.03 | a_meteorite | There are certain things that should not change. |
| 20:02.09 | A-Delusion | cbg... take a step back from the keyboard. |
| 20:02.14 | CBG | Define "Quality". |
| 20:02.17 | A-Delusion | count to ten. |
| 20:02.23 | CBG | A-Delusion: I have to stand up for that... |
| 20:02.26 | Bobert | good grafics |
| 20:02.26 | retro | What A-Delusion said |
| 20:02.29 | brad | ~stfu Bobert |
| 20:02.30 | Bobert | more options |
| 20:02.43 | Bobert | a better GUI |
| 20:02.50 | a_meteorite | Bobert: Good graphics is something that is strived for, but that does not include turning turrets. |
| 20:02.52 | retro | CBG, he's getting exactly what he wants from you. A reaction. Ignore him. |
| 20:02.53 | CBG | 10000 users like the graphics. |
| 20:02.57 | CBG | 10000 users like the GUI. |
| 20:02.58 | a_meteorite | Bobert: Our GUI is fine, thank you. |
| 20:03.06 | CBG | 10000 users like the quantity of options. |
| 20:03.13 | Bobert | if primitive meens fine |
| 20:03.15 | CBG | Bobert: you are 1 in 10000 that is making a fuss. |
| 20:03.18 | a_meteorite | More options is also good, but that also does not include turning turrets as that is not the point of BZFlag. |
| 20:03.26 | retro | sigh, /me goes back to work. |
| 20:03.34 | CBG | Bobert: you are entitled to your opinion, of course, even if it makes you look like a retard. |
| 20:03.38 | Bobert | even Halo 1 has better options |
| 20:03.42 | CBG | And? |
| 20:03.45 | a_meteorite | n00b. |
| 20:03.46 | donny_baker | bobert.. have you even messed withthe graphics settings? |
| 20:03.47 | CBG | Halo 1 is a commercial game. |
| 20:03.53 | CBG | Reeeeeeeetard. |
| 20:03.59 | Bobert | so |
| 20:04.04 | a_meteorite | This is a open-source game with a different plot. Big difference. |
| 20:04.05 | Bobert | your point is |
| 20:04.09 | CBG | Halo 1 is also NOT 15 years old. |
| 20:04.13 | Bobert | it has no plot |
| 20:04.20 | tannerld | .... |
| 20:04.20 | CBG | Someone (Microsoft) invested MONEY in Halo. |
| 20:04.23 | a_meteorite | Halo has a plot. I doubt you've even played it. |
| 20:04.26 | brad | halo devs are payed |
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| 20:04.32 | CBG | Bzflag is an online mutiplayer game. |
| 20:04.34 | brad | bzflag devs do it for free |
| 20:04.38 | CBG | WHY THE HELL WOULD IT HAVE A PLOT!? |
| 20:04.38 | donny_baker | the graphics are pretty fine if you turn up the quality.. not halo looking but BZ looking |
| 20:04.38 | brad | in their own time |
| 20:04.40 | Bobert | im saying bz has no plot |
| 20:04.42 | a_meteorite | BZFlag has a different plot - the maps. |
| 20:04.47 | CBG | Bzflag is an online mutiplayer game. WHY THE HELL WOULD IT HAVE A PLOT!? |
| 20:04.54 | Bobert | thats not a plot |
| 20:04.57 | donny_baker | exactly.. there isnt supposed to be one |
| 20:05.03 | a_meteorite | Exactly. |
| 20:05.08 | a_meteorite | It's whatever you make the map to be. |
| 20:05.14 | donny_baker | nthe game is aim shoot blow up... or not if your good |
| 20:05.35 | a_meteorite | Yeah, that's the only thing you can expect everywhere. |
| 20:05.41 | CBG | Bobert: match the investment Microsoft made in Halo and aiming turrets will be implemented in one day. |
| 20:05.53 | a_meteorite | Yeah, we want to see your millions of dollars. |
| 20:06.07 | a_meteorite | Then I'm sure the devs will do whatever you want - including turning turrets. |
| 20:06.19 | A-Delusion | ThePurplePanzer, hello |
| 20:06.23 | Bobert | u guys r such pricks, im just trying to sujest something while u guys are defending stone aged software |
| 20:06.24 | CBG | Then we'll hire the best game devs in the world, like Microsoft did. |
| 20:06.35 | CBG | Bobert: you, sir, are the prick. |
| 20:06.40 | a_meteorite | Bobert: It has been denied MULTIPLE TIMES. |
| 20:06.41 | Bobert | how so |
| 20:06.46 | a_meteorite | For very GREAT reasons. |
| 20:07.05 | Bobert | what did i do besides present my point |
| 20:07.06 | gsnedders | CBG: Bungie had a game almost ready to ship before MS bought them |
| 20:07.21 | ThePurplePanzer | hi |
| 20:07.54 | ThePurplePanzer | Sent you an email about what I've got left to do. One thing is how to get the spawn to happen in the cube |
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| 20:08.24 | Bobert | wat do you guys find so desirable about 'retro games' that just means there old and nothing else |
| 20:08.25 | donny_baker | I want to spwn in the cube :) |
| 20:08.33 | tannerld | cube? |
| 20:08.33 | A-Delusion | there are several options, you did see the /flagOnSpawn plugin in action, right? |
| 20:08.35 | spldart | Some newbs are so dense.. wow |
| 20:09.05 | donny_baker | tanner: new (i think) map that A-d and PP are working on |
| 20:09.18 | tannerld | donny_baker: ooooh. nifty :) |
| 20:09.24 | ThePurplePanzer | Not in my local copy, that I cycle through in development. |
| 20:09.29 | *** join/#bzflag Bobert (n=4a6396e4@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 20:09.42 | A-Delusion | but you did see it, ok |
| 20:09.47 | ThePurplePanzer | yes |
| 20:09.57 | A-Delusion | reading mail... |
| 20:11.15 | A-Delusion | I had those startrek sound files you mentioned at one time... |
| 20:11.17 | Flash | did they just "step outside" ??? |
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| 20:11.25 | a_meteorite | hah |
| 20:11.30 | donny_baker | flash:lol |
| 20:11.31 | Flash | CBG: did you hurt him? that was fast |
| 20:11.37 | a_meteorite | CBG: he left as soon as you left, LOL |
| 20:11.44 | ThePurplePanzer | (Sounds of furniture breaking, bottles breaking....) |
| 20:11.51 | L4m3r | damn |
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| 20:12.00 | Flash | BTW: I do happen to be > 40 ;-) |
| 20:12.05 | L4m3r | Say Bobert... you're not from Downey, CA are you? |
| 20:12.14 | A-Delusion | there was a star WARS sound set too. |
| 20:12.39 | CBG | Great. |
| 20:12.41 | CBG | My client crashed as soon as I decided to raping the guy in the ass. |
| 20:12.43 | CBG | Bobert: fuck. off. |
| 20:12.51 | spldart | hey |
| 20:12.59 | CBG | hi again spldart |
| 20:13.01 | A-Delusion | I think we'll just have to come up with spawnzonws for flags and players |
| 20:13.03 | Bobert | shut up] |
| 20:13.32 | ThePurplePanzer | I put spawnzones on all the platforms in the cube; maybe just have to test more. I always seem to start on the ground |
| 20:13.38 | ThePurplePanzer | I'd love to inhibit that. |
| 20:13.46 | A-Delusion | I have some very nice ship textures now too... |
| 20:14.03 | A-Delusion | I can get almost any ship, ever. |
| 20:14.12 | ThePurplePanzer | I grabbed Louman's Babylon V map to see if there were any hacks in there to use, but found nothing; must be in config |
| 20:14.13 | a_meteorite | good ridance |
| 20:14.18 | A-Delusion | and make it look good against the star background |
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| 20:14.33 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v Tupone] by ChanServ |
| 20:14.48 | ThePurplePanzer | I'll make some more changes and send you the map later if you want to see where it stands |
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| 20:15.26 | ThePurplePanzer | The platforms (horizontal surfaces) I tried to do using meshboxes, but any overlap flashes. Old V1 boxes don't have that problem |
| 20:15.34 | A-Delusion | can you square the cube up with the world size? |
| 20:15.34 | ThePurplePanzer | but don't look as nice at all. |
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| 20:16.11 | ThePurplePanzer | Yes. HAven't done it yet, but yes. In fact, lowering the cube might inhibit ground spawns too |
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| 20:17.11 | A-Delusion | see if you can send me a copy of the cube as soon as you square it up, |
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| 20:19.00 | a_meteorite | list server is down |
| 20:19.23 | brad | yup :( |
| 20:19.47 | Bobert | whos the best player here |
| 20:19.47 | Bobert | ne1 |
| 20:20.00 | TD-Linux | Bobert: how shall we measure that? |
| 20:20.14 | Bobert | most experience |
| 20:20.18 | Bobert | best rank |
| 20:20.22 | Bobert | most kills |
| 20:20.29 | Bobert | least deaths |
| 20:20.50 | donny_baker | there is a lot more to it than that |
| 20:20.53 | CBG | What is your rank, kill count, death count and amount of experience? |
| 20:21.02 | tannerld | Bobert: http://stats.bzflag.org/ |
| 20:21.05 | Bobert | im a n00b |
| 20:21.08 | TD-Linux | http://my.bzflag.org/playerstats.php |
| 20:21.15 | donny_baker | there are so many ways to play this game and few are excelent at all of them |
| 20:21.20 | CBG | s/n00b/asswipe/ |
| 20:21.27 | CBG | Oops, I said that aloud? |
| 20:21.28 | donny_baker | Bobert: realy?!?!?!?! |
| 20:21.41 | Bobert | clever |
| 20:21.51 | Bobert | that was so well put |
| 20:22.12 | Bobert | doesn't everyone think that CBG is a comedic genius |
| 20:22.22 | Bobert | common, clap for cgb |
| 20:22.23 | L4m3r | Say Bobert... you're not from Downey, CA are you? |
| 20:22.24 | CBG | Bobert: buy a new keyboard |
| 20:22.40 | Bobert | another joke from the master |
| 20:22.49 | Bobert | how do u do it cgb |
| 20:22.54 | TD-Linux | Bobert: I think you've got CBG rather wrong |
| 20:23.01 | Bobert | ure so full of humor |
| 20:23.02 | tannerld | TD-Linux: he's got everything wrong |
| 20:23.04 | CBG | It was a piece of advice, not a joke, that time. |
| 20:23.10 | CBG | "ure"? Dude, WTF?! |
| 20:23.24 | Bobert | as in you are |
| 20:23.46 | CBG | ffs, learn to type. |
| 20:23.49 | TD-Linux | Bobert: I challenge you to a duel in BZOlympics. |
| 20:24.06 | Bobert | i just started in dec |
| 20:24.18 | CBG | Before I visit you and insert half a keyboard into your anus. |
| 20:24.31 | Bobert | ude like that |
| 20:24.38 | Bobert | shood i send u a picture |
| 20:24.41 | CBG | Not nearly as much as you. |
| 20:24.42 | Bobert | smartass |
| 20:25.05 | TD-Linux | Bobert: You should aim that comment in the other direction, I think. |
| 20:26.17 | CBG | It will be when I teach it about capital letters. |
| 20:26.18 | ts | CBG: Please watch your language |
| 20:26.18 | Bobert | yeah |
| 20:26.18 | Bobert | watch ure language |
| 20:26.18 | CBG | ts: I'm watching it. What is supposed to happen? |
| 20:26.18 | Bobert | u almost hurt my feelings |
| 20:26.18 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: ping |
| 20:26.18 | CBG | Is it gonna insert a keyboard into Bobert's anus for me? |
| 20:26.18 | a_meteorite | DTRemenak: ping |
| 20:26.22 | a_meteorite | brlcad: ping |
| 20:26.23 | ts | CBG: I can understand why you're annoyed but that's another topic |
| 20:26.37 | Bobert | cuz he has a hangover |
| 20:26.48 | CBG | Bobert: At 8:26 PM? Likely... |
| 20:26.50 | Bobert | alcoholics are always cranky |
| 20:26.55 | TD-Linux | Bobert: I have a quote for you. Wanna hear it? |
| 20:27.07 | CBG | Especially considering I don't consume any non medicinal drugs. |
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| 20:27.42 | TD-Linux | Bobert: "You are so far beyond being able to understand anything anyone here says that this is just converging on uselessness. The really sad part is that you really believe that you're winning. You are a shocking waste of natural resources — kindly re-integrate yourself into the food-chain. Just go die in your sleep you mindless flatulent troll." - Mark Miller |
| 20:28.08 | Bobert | clever |
| 20:28.13 | CBG | I like Mark Miller. |
| 20:28.25 | a_meteorite | That's exactly what a troll would use as a retort. |
| 20:28.25 | CBG | He speaketh of the trutheth. |
| 20:28.44 | CBG | Nah, an average troll shows signs of intelligence. |
| 20:28.54 | Bobert | adding a th to the end of words doesnt make u less of a dumbass cgb |
| 20:29.09 | Bobert | or shood i say |
| 20:29.09 | CBG | Good, because I hate to think you had changed me. |
| 20:29.14 | a_meteorite | It's called old English. |
| 20:29.18 | Bobert | dumbassith |
| 20:29.28 | Bobert | its old for a reason |
| 20:29.29 | donny_baker | and we are "retro" as you called us |
| 20:29.30 | TD-Linux | a_meteorite: wrong. Middle English. |
| 20:29.39 | a_meteorite | TD-Linux: Same difference. :) |
| 20:29.45 | tannerld | I would stop with the language - you might get banned :p |
| 20:29.57 | TD-Linux | in that case, continue. |
| 20:29.59 | donny_baker | TD: is that, like, from middle-earth :p |
| 20:30.01 | a_meteorite | tannerld: The only one getting banned is Bobert. |
| 20:30.05 | CBG | tannerld: and..? |
| 20:30.20 | TD-Linux | donny_baker: no, it's between Old English (Anglo-Saxon) and Modern English. |
| 20:30.27 | Bobert | don't u guys have jobs |
| 20:30.38 | tannerld | don't you have good english? |
| 20:30.45 | CBG | Bobert: as I said, most of those talking to you are younger than yourself. |
| 20:30.45 | TD-Linux | Bobert: bzflag2.norang.ca:4420 |
| 20:30.49 | donny_baker | yes.. i am the IT director at a 34 loaction hospital |
| 20:30.59 | donny_baker | location* |
| 20:31.00 | CBG | Bobert: where are you from? Don't they have ANY punctuation there? |
| 20:31.07 | Bobert | and cbg is how many years old |
| 20:31.13 | Bobert | ?? |
| 20:31.16 | brad | listen to retro and the troll will go away |
| 20:31.22 | CBG | I'm not 18, yet. |
| 20:31.37 | Bobert | o... a few moths different |
| 20:31.38 | L4m3r | Yes, listen to brad |
| 20:31.38 | TD-Linux | Bobert is from the land of Lazy CGI:IRC users. |
| 20:31.40 | donny_baker | he has challenged you to a duel Bobert... that is the server and port number of the server |
| 20:31.41 | Bobert | m so old |
| 20:31.50 | L4m3r | stop feeding the troll, please. |
| 20:32.09 | TD-Linux | I'm waiting to blow up the troll at bzflag2.norang.ca:4420. |
| 20:32.22 | Bobert | ure acting as if bzflag can solve everything |
| 20:32.34 | TD-Linux | Bobert: It can. Come. |
| 20:32.59 | Bobert | ure acting as if blowing me up will change the world |
| 20:33.26 | Bobert | i may suck at the game but i also know what sucks about the game |
| 20:33.37 | brad | TD-Linux: ignore |
| 20:33.39 | Bobert | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.05 | Bobert | and cgb knows nothing about retro considering this game came out when he was 2 |
| 20:34.08 | L4m3r | post them on the BZBB and be done with it. They'll give reasons, too. |
| 20:34.15 | TD-Linux | Tedious is defending the honor of Bobert. |
| 20:34.31 | TD-Linux | *Tedius |
| 20:34.55 | TD-Linux | No longer! HA! |
| 20:35.04 | Tedius | rats |
| 20:35.06 | TD-Linux | Two computers side-by-side pwnz. |
| 20:35.14 | fatso | He'll need it. |
| 20:35.38 | Tedius | i'm on only one computer |
| 20:35.50 | Bobert | watever im out to watch tv, at least there they dont have obese 40 year olds who are proud of old technology |
| 20:36.03 | CBG | We are VERY proud. |
| 20:36.17 | Bobert | lol loser |
| 20:36.34 | fatso | And STAY OUT! |
| 20:36.43 | CBG | Nice timing, fatso. |
| 20:36.43 | a_meteorite | good riddance |
| 20:36.45 | CBG | ~fatso++ |
| 20:36.58 | tannerld | ~Bobert-- |
| 20:37.00 | a_meteorite | ~fatso++ |
| 20:37.04 | retro | ~CGG-- |
| 20:37.08 | retro | for feeding the troll |
| 20:37.09 | a_meteorite | ~Bobert-- |
| 20:37.11 | CBG | ~karma |
| 20:37.11 | ibot | cbg has karma of -454 |
| 20:37.18 | CBG | retro: whatever, dude ;) |
| 20:37.18 | TD-Linux | *cough* |
| 20:37.19 | fatso | Oh dear, that's a nasty one. |
| 20:37.19 | a_meteorite | CBG likes negative karma. |
| 20:37.27 | tannerld | ~karma Bobert |
| 20:37.27 | ibot | bobert has karma of -2 |
| 20:37.34 | a_meteorite | He needs more than that. |
| 20:37.34 | CBG | I stopped caring once I got the lowest ever... |
| 20:37.35 | retro | ~karma |
| 20:37.35 | ibot | retro has karma of 8 |
| 20:37.49 | a_meteorite | ~karma |
| 20:37.49 | ibot | a_meteorite has karma of 29 |
| 20:37.59 | TD-Linux | ~karma |
| 20:38.00 | ibot | td-linux has karma of -1 |
| 20:38.05 | a_meteorite | ... |
| 20:38.24 | tannerld | ... |
| 20:38.25 | tannerld | "ibot> Someone already said that 6 seconds ago" |
| 20:38.28 | CBG | !part cheerio |
| 20:38.29 | *** part/#bzflag fatso (n=fatso@about/essy/fan/CBG) |
| 20:39.01 | tannerld | ... |
| 20:39.03 | tannerld | ~karma |
| 20:39.03 | ibot | tannerld has karma of 6 |
| 20:44.45 | Flash | The most annoying part of youth is knowing so much more than your elders |
| 20:45.04 | Flash | The most annoying part about youths is they think they know so much they can't be taught |
| 20:45.19 | tannerld | s/youths/most youths |
| 20:45.27 | a_meteorite | I'm a youth... |
| 20:45.44 | CBG | A lot of us are younger than him, according to him. |
| 20:45.45 | Flash | I'll still stand my my statement in at least one circumstance |
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| 20:45.58 | Flash | I'll bet you have conflict with your parents about things |
| 20:46.12 | a_meteorite | I suggest anyone who can ban at a server, do it. |
| 20:46.24 | tannerld | doesn't everybody? |
| 20:46.31 | Flash | my point |
| 20:46.32 | a_meteorite | He doesn't even deserve to play BZFlag. :) |
| 20:46.34 | CBG | Flash: conflicts? no. |
| 20:46.46 | CBG | I disagree with my father a lot, but never had a "conflict"... |
| 20:46.49 | Flash | Actually, I get along great with my folks, but I have teens of my own.... |
| 20:48.05 | donny_baker | its funny how much smarter your parents get the older you get :D |
| 20:48.12 | tannerld | heh |
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| 20:50.11 | CBG | I resented that remark too. I'm really not even 18 yet... |
| 20:50.16 | CBG | over 40.... pff! |
| 20:50.28 | tannerld | heh |
| 20:50.41 | a_meteorite | I'm chubby too... |
| 20:50.47 | a_meteorite | but it didn't hurt my feelings |
| 20:51.06 | Flash | actually, I was skinny as a rail until I hit 40 |
| 20:51.19 | CBG | IRC = I R Chubby |
| 20:51.29 | tannerld | :d |
| 20:51.50 | CBG | *cough* #chubby |
| 20:52.58 | Flash | I wonder how somebody can be two places at the same time.... |
| 20:53.06 | Flash | DTRemenak: ping |
| 20:53.07 | Flash | Erroneous: ping |
| 20:53.11 | brlcad | a_meteorite: pong (though I presume it doesn't matter now?) |
| 20:53.16 | ThePurplePanzer | Quantum effects. |
| 20:53.19 | tannerld | Flash: in bz? |
| 20:53.38 | a_meteorite | brlcad: would really like to see that retard banned |
| 20:53.41 | a_meteorite | Bobert |
| 20:54.32 | Flash | 13:50 < CBG> I resented that remark too. I'm really not even 18 yet... |
| 20:54.40 | Flash | CBG: I said "resembles" |
| 20:55.36 | CBG | I said "resented". |
| 20:55.44 | Flash | Hmmmm. I didn't consider the possibility that someone could be three places at the same time (or none) |
| 20:55.47 | CBG | Take out my "too". |
| 20:55.50 | Flash | ok |
| 20:56.00 | brlcad | a_meteorite: now that wouldn't be very nice would it |
| 20:56.11 | a_meteorite | brlcad: um, did you read up? |
| 20:56.14 | a_meteorite | read up. |
| 20:56.20 | brlcad | i've read |
| 20:56.21 | a_meteorite | you'll decide to ban him after just a little reading |
| 20:56.25 | brlcad | it still wouldn't be very nice :P |
| 20:56.29 | a_meteorite | ... |
| 20:56.30 | Flash | a_meteorite: he's a jerk, but banning is a bit extreme |
| 20:56.36 | CBG | a_meteorite: along with myself and possibly some others |
| 20:56.47 | a_meteorite | fine, I banned him wherever I could in bz world |
| 20:56.50 | Flash | You know what Mark Twain said about teens? |
| 20:56.54 | brlcad | my point was orthogonal to anything he said, not that you caught on to that :) |
| 20:57.08 | a_meteorite | ~dict orthogonal |
| 20:57.25 | CBG | Though I am willing to make that sacrifice - I'll be a martyr for #bzflag. |
| 20:57.48 | brlcad | CBG: to be a martyr, that means you must die |
| 20:58.09 | donny_baker | do you have to ne such a martyr before you can be a saint :) |
| 20:58.13 | CBG | In terms of this channel, a ban would be a temporary death. |
| 20:58.14 | brlcad | hm, rather morbid though |
| 20:58.18 | TD-Linux | a_meteorite: not nice |
| 20:58.31 | CBG | Or, permanent... as you see fit, sir. |
| 20:58.34 | a_meteorite | TD-Linux: why? |
| 20:58.42 | Flash | donny_baker: it depends on whose definition of "saint" you use |
| 20:58.51 | a_meteorite | total retard, I bet anyone can agree to that |
| 20:58.54 | TD-Linux | a_meteorite: he didn't do anything wrong there |
| 20:58.55 | brlcad | a_meteorite: regardless and more to the point of the discussion, he actually didn't break any rules other than being annoying/confrontational |
| 20:59.06 | CBG | He was a troll. |
| 20:59.06 | brlcad | borderline on the assisms, but then he didn't start with them |
| 20:59.09 | a_meteorite | is trolling not against the rules? |
| 20:59.12 | CBG | He swore somewhat too, iirc. |
| 20:59.19 | CBG | (as did I, yes, I know...) |
| 20:59.27 | Flash | The Catholic church prefers to have dead people, because it eliminates much of the controversy |
| 20:59.33 | CBG | Doesn't matter who started it... |
| 20:59.42 | donny_baker | flash:lol |
| 20:59.50 | Flash | but the strict biblical definition of saint is merely one of the elect |
| 21:00.07 | TD-Linux | is saint even in the bible? |
| 21:00.10 | CBG | Catholicism is hardly Christianity anyway. |
| 21:00.22 | retro | brlcad, remind CGB to ignore trolls, and they won't be so annoying |
| 21:00.29 | Flash | I'm happy to debate anything, but I'm sure that's way off topic here |
| 21:00.33 | retro | s/CGB/CBG/ |
| 21:00.51 | CBG | retro: if he is allowed to troll, I am allowed to flame him. |
| 21:01.21 | retro | CBG, what? Um, it's the first Christianity. not that I'm religious, but from a historical perspective, all the other christianities came from catholicism |
| 21:01.33 | Flash | only sort of |
| 21:01.46 | CBG | Then all other "Christianities" are not "Christianities". |
| 21:01.46 | Flash | Christianity existed before it became the official church of Rome |
| 21:01.52 | CBG | The teachings are so far apart... |
| 21:02.10 | CBG | Catholicism is as much Islam as it is Christianity. |
| 21:02.15 | retro | sigh. retro goes back to work, I feel like troll. SOrry everyone! |
| 21:02.43 | Flash | CBG: take your pill and go back to your nice room... |
| 21:03.12 | brlcad | his commentary started more along the lines of criticism, it only diverged into borderline trollisms by overeager defensiveness |
| 21:03.12 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, sup? had to go to lunch |
| 21:03.16 | CBG | Flash: Huh? I studied Christianity and Islam side by side for 2 years. I'm no expert but I'm not stupid. |
| 21:03.41 | Flash | yes, but this is #bzflag..... |
| 21:03.45 | JeffM2501 | wtf? |
| 21:03.46 | brlcad | CBG: and no, that doesn't not give you any such allowance, no matter how anyone else acts -- you're still expected to behave |
| 21:03.58 | CBG | So ban me... I don't care. |
| 21:04.07 | retro | we don't want to ban you |
| 21:04.10 | JeffM2501 | oh god, is it that time of the month again? |
| 21:04.12 | CBG | He trolled, whether I brought it out of him or not. |
| 21:04.12 | retro | just learn how to deal with trolls |
| 21:04.16 | retro | don't take it personally |
| 21:04.24 | brlcad | JeffM2501: apparently |
| 21:04.29 | JeffM2501 | great |
| 21:04.31 | a_meteorite | the most annoying person ever |
| 21:04.32 | CBG | I'm not, but brlcad's reason for not banning him seems to be that I started it. |
| 21:04.35 | retro | ok, I'm REALLY going back to work |
| 21:04.40 | CBG | If that's the case, I should be banned too. |
| 21:04.45 | JeffM2501 | and here I wanted to alk about code :( |
| 21:04.53 | CBG | Oh, so now we're being sexist? |
| 21:04.58 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: I was hoping such an retard would be banned... |
| 21:05.05 | JeffM2501 | who? |
| 21:05.07 | Erroneous | since he's not here now, how about y'all drop it, eh? |
| 21:05.09 | JeffM2501 | I've been gone? |
| 21:05.10 | a_meteorite | bobert |
| 21:05.12 | a_meteorite | read up |
| 21:05.17 | a_meteorite | extreme troll |
| 21:05.19 | JeffM2501 | I will but Erroneous is right |
| 21:05.29 | Erroneous | and you guys were just sitting there feeding him |
| 21:05.35 | CBG | Yeah, lets all just wait for him to return! Then the party can start all over again. |
| 21:05.37 | brlcad | CBG: seriously, you're causing considerably more of a disruption than the other person at this point |
| 21:05.40 | Erroneous | I'm rather disappointed in your behavior |
| 21:05.53 | JeffM2501 | would it be benifical to reload the command line options on a reaset |
| 21:05.54 | a_meteorite | ... |
| 21:06.02 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: I'd think so |
| 21:06.03 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b *!*@*.cdif.cable.ntl.com] by JeffM2501 |
| 21:06.03 | *** kick/#bzflag [CBG!n=JeffM@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501] by JeffM2501 (JeffM2501) |
| 21:06.10 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Erroneous] by ChanServ |
| 21:06.11 | JeffM2501 | good lord |
| 21:06.13 | Erroneous | aw, he beat me |
| 21:06.31 | a_meteorite | of course it would do the standard /reset right? |
| 21:06.36 | *** join/#bzflag CBG (n=CBG@about/essy/fan/CBG) |
| 21:06.37 | JeffM2501 | do maps often have flag sets in them? |
| 21:06.39 | a_meteorite | and use map options (if available) |
| 21:06.44 | a_meteorite | they can |
| 21:06.47 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, no no I mean the new reload |
| 21:06.55 | JeffM2501 | right now it isn't |
| 21:06.59 | a_meteorite | sometimes people put +f, and -s in the options block |
| 21:07.01 | JeffM2501 | so it dosn't regen any new flags |
| 21:07.08 | JeffM2501 | or load options from the world |
| 21:09.39 | JeffM2501 | I think it will not work well if it swaps from CTF to FFA or vice/versa |
| 21:09.50 | JeffM2501 | do people do that with the current mapchange? |
| 21:09.54 | a_meteorite | yes |
| 21:10.05 | JeffM2501 | with options loaded in the map? |
| 21:10.16 | a_meteorite | it makes things a lot easier to set-up |
| 21:10.27 | JeffM2501 | or does that plugin have a config per map? |
| 21:10.40 | a_meteorite | no, it doesn't |
| 21:10.47 | a_meteorite | settings are done via a config (or a map if you wanted) |
| 21:11.18 | JeffM2501 | but the config for CTF is difrent from FFA |
| 21:11.26 | a_meteorite | yes |
| 21:11.27 | JeffM2501 | how do they swap modes with the same config? |
| 21:11.35 | JeffM2501 | using the plugin? |
| 21:11.36 | a_meteorite | the server restarts |
| 21:11.42 | a_meteorite | and uses a bash script |
| 21:11.42 | JeffM2501 | does it load the same config? |
| 21:11.46 | a_meteorite | no |
| 21:11.46 | JeffM2501 | each time? |
| 21:11.51 | JeffM2501 | what swaps out the configs? |
| 21:11.53 | a_meteorite | it uses another config |
| 21:11.56 | a_meteorite | a bash script |
| 21:11.59 | JeffM2501 | one for each type? |
| 21:12.04 | JeffM2501 | or one for each map? |
| 21:12.08 | Erroneous | one per map, most likely |
| 21:12.08 | a_meteorite | for each map |
| 21:12.25 | JeffM2501 | so basicly that could be done with options in the map. |
| 21:12.29 | a_meteorite | the plugin interacts with the bash script somehow |
| 21:12.34 | a_meteorite | yes, it could |
| 21:12.34 | JeffM2501 | that I know |
| 21:12.39 | Erroneous | that's how the bzfsgui map looper did it also |
| 21:12.46 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 21:13.05 | JeffM2501 | wonder if I should make a "command line options done" event |
| 21:13.10 | JeffM2501 | and let the plugin then muck with them |
| 21:14.39 | Tupone | hola brlcad |
| 21:17.34 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/include/bzfsAPI.h: whatever a Cogmmand is, we don't need them, we only serve Commands here. |
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| 21:44.51 | JeffM2501 | is docing the API in the fourms a good idea? |
| 21:45.16 | ts | No |
| 21:45.25 | JeffM2501 | is it better then no docs? |
| 21:45.34 | ts | Spammers, potential data loss etc |
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| 21:45.45 | ts | Better than no docs: yes |
| 21:45.48 | donny_baker | why not just add a doc to the cvs |
| 21:45.50 | JeffM2501 | spamers are easy |
| 21:45.59 | JeffM2501 | cus I hate to edit HTML :) |
| 21:46.33 | JeffM2501 | I would like a wiki very much |
| 21:46.57 | ts | A wiki has the same problems a forum has |
| 21:46.58 | JeffM2501 | I like the fact of live net docs that can be edited on the fly |
| 21:47.03 | brlcad | are you willing to support users that might not care enough to bother learning basics like CVS? |
| 21:47.14 | Tupone | how about asking the mighty brlcad to install wikimedia? |
| 21:47.17 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:47.17 | donny_baker | depends on the wiki... |
| 21:47.20 | brlcad | putting the docs where they need them would make sense to me ;) |
| 21:47.31 | JeffM2501 | yeah I have been somewhat suporting users who don't do cvs |
| 21:47.33 | brlcad | mm.. wikimedia |
| 21:47.40 | JeffM2501 | by providing the libs |
| 21:47.41 | donny_baker | mediawiki can belocked down pretty good |
| 21:47.56 | JeffM2501 | I'm also familair with editing mediaWiki |
| 21:48.07 | donny_baker | in fact that was what i was dong to ours at work yesterday |
| 21:48.16 | ts | The write access to the documentation needs to be limited |
| 21:48.19 | donny_baker | and i locked everyone out for a while :p |
| 21:48.25 | ts | That's the most important thing |
| 21:48.35 | donny_baker | yes, it can be locked by page.. or page type |
| 21:48.39 | JeffM2501 | if abbuse becomes a problem |
| 21:48.44 | JeffM2501 | as long as the wiki has history |
| 21:48.44 | donny_baker | edit, or edit and read |
| 21:48.46 | JeffM2501 | then it'sn o biggie |
| 21:48.48 | donny_baker | nby group |
| 21:48.58 | JeffM2501 | mw has history right? |
| 21:49.03 | donny_baker | arghhh... bzitis :0 |
| 21:49.06 | donny_baker | nyes |
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| 21:49.11 | donny_baker | nvery good history |
| 21:49.13 | JeffM2501 | then that's better then the fourm right there |
| 21:50.19 | JeffM2501 | is it possible to take a dump of a media wiki as static HTML pages? |
| 21:50.20 | Erroneous | ~n |
| 21:50.21 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, n is the disease bzflag players get when they play too much. There is no cure. |
| 21:50.29 | Erroneous | yes |
| 21:50.37 | JeffM2501 | so we could take a snapshot and bundle that as docs with each release? |
| 21:50.44 | Erroneous | yup |
| 21:50.49 | JeffM2501 | that would be prety cool |
| 21:50.52 | donny_baker | at technically you could even auto-generate pages from documentation in the cvs on a regular basis, if you want to do it the other way |
| 21:51.13 | donny_baker | oh wait there would have to be documentation :D |
| 21:51.18 | Erroneous | ... |
| 21:52.05 | donny_baker | the documentation on mediawiki can be a little weak, but it's not to difficult |
| 21:52.15 | donny_baker | documentation of * |
| 21:52.33 | donny_baker | the config files are well commented |
| 21:53.18 | brlcad | so who wants to volunteer setting it up? |
| 21:54.06 | brlcad | (I can't this weekend at least) |
| 21:56.23 | donny_baker | it requires MySQL5 and PHP |
| 21:56.39 | Tupone | It is pretty easy doing that. All is well explained on their doc |
| 21:56.41 | donny_baker | i am willing to consult since I have some experience |
| 21:56.48 | brlcad | the requirements aren't an issue, there are two perfectly useable servers it could be installed onto |
| 21:57.11 | brlcad | bah, consulting isn't as helpful as actually doing it :) |
| 21:57.31 | brlcad | i've set it up before.. no magic, but it still takes time :) |
| 21:57.39 | Tupone | the only issue is the time |
| 21:57.41 | A-Delusion | speaking of auto-generating pages from documentation in the cvs, /me reminds everybody that the bzw manpage is vroken |
| 21:57.43 | Tupone | yep |
| 21:57.56 | donny_baker | time thats the magic word |
| 21:58.06 | JeffM2501 | blast007, was thinking about seting one up on .bz |
| 21:58.07 | donny_baker | i do have some this weekend as the wife is out |
| 21:58.15 | JeffM2501 | as a regular wiki replacement |
| 21:58.23 | JeffM2501 | may want to see what he's willing to do |
| 21:58.29 | ts | A-Delusion: Huh? |
| 21:58.44 | ts | How is it broken? |
| 21:58.45 | brlcad | A-Delusion: care to fix it then |
| 21:58.57 | JeffM2501 | A-Delusion, it's not the page from what I know, it's the thing that makes them HTML |
| 21:59.04 | brlcad | anythign is possible |
| 21:59.09 | Erroneous | mmm, man2html |
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| 21:59.16 | A-Delusion | yeah, it's the page generator |
| 21:59.58 | A-Delusion | if I could just fix the text i would have fixed it, brlcad |
| 22:00.13 | ts | JeffM2501: I have a recording you may want to see |
| 22:00.24 | JeffM2501 | ts, that does? |
| 22:00.27 | JeffM2501 | the rico thing? |
| 22:00.36 | ts | It shows F5.. |
| 22:00.42 | JeffM2501 | in head? |
| 22:00.44 | ts | and what the server does with it |
| 22:00.48 | ts | yeah, cvs head |
| 22:00.55 | JeffM2501 | what does it do? |
| 22:01.00 | JeffM2501 | just make em stutter? |
| 22:01.20 | ts | no.."jumping" forward and backward over 1/4 of the map |
| 22:01.26 | JeffM2501 | interesting |
| 22:01.54 | JeffM2501 | they get a big vel vec or something? |
| 22:02.05 | ts | Hard to explain |
| 22:02.20 | JeffM2501 | did you look at the code to why they get so far? |
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| 22:02.35 | ts | Not yet |
| 22:03.11 | ts | I spent a lot of time on other things..so no time to do the research |
| 22:03.13 | brlcad | A-Delusion: the manpage html generator is "standard software" for all intensive purposes, if it's outputting garbage, there's probably something wrong in the manpage itself |
| 22:03.38 | brlcad | which you can fix/test/fix/test with any basic text editor |
| 22:04.22 | A-Delusion | it appears correct in the cvs... I thought that was where it gets the manpage from |
| 22:04.58 | A-Delusion | i have corrected text ready if i knew where to upload it. |
| 22:05.35 | TD-Linux | I volunteer to add lots of bloat to the wikimedia. |
| 22:05.45 | brlcad | it does/did pull from cvs |
| 22:05.56 | ts | JeffM2501: Want me to send it to you via email or wanna look at it at a replay server? |
| 22:06.06 | JeffM2501 | not realy |
| 22:06.15 | JeffM2501 | I'd rather finish the DR changes, and get the state cleaned up |
| 22:06.24 | JeffM2501 | then do a big set of tests and get a list of all bugs with it |
| 22:06.51 | JeffM2501 | you can't drive thru stuff anymore with F5 right? |
| 22:07.02 | JeffM2501 | breaking the loop up helped that from what I recall |
| 22:09.17 | ts | In my tests I have not been able to drive through walls |
| 22:10.09 | JeffM2501 | well that's at least good |
| 22:10.16 | JeffM2501 | so it did get rid of at least some of the cases |
| 22:10.37 | A-Delusion | corrected bzw manpage http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/329628 Man(1) output converted with man2html |
| 22:14.33 | brlcad | curious, how do most feel about embedded tabs? e.g., int foo;[tab][tab]/* some comment */ |
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| 22:16.43 | JeffM2501 | I do it all the time |
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| 22:17.27 | Tupone | within emacs c-mode, tab is a request to indent |
| 22:18.04 | brlcad | Tupone: sure you can build that.. it's a variable that is on or off :) |
| 22:18.18 | Tupone | yeah, but then you cannot indent with tab |
| 22:18.48 | Tupone | I like the way is working :) |
| 22:19.03 | brlcad | i actually have meta-tab bound to those rare occurances where I need a literal tab |
| 22:19.14 | brlcad | but yeah, aside from the point |
| 22:19.49 | brlcad | JeffM2501: not so much a question of use, but do you care if they're one way or the other? |
| 22:19.56 | JeffM2501 | I like them |
| 22:20.09 | JeffM2501 | but I like things to line up |
| 22:20.19 | brlcad | I think tim has any run of spaces getting turned into tabs atm |
| 22:20.30 | brlcad | they can line up with spaces or tabs ;) |
| 22:21.29 | brlcad | and you can use either to edit/create/indent in editor-of-preference.. it was more a sideline question about whether they do anything for you after they're created, expanded or unexpanded |
| 22:22.29 | Tupone | CS-1.0 is out, for who care about it |
| 22:25.46 | JBdiGriz | Of course the religious issue, "How many spaces does a tab equal?" |
| 22:31.06 | JBdiGriz | ~fling brlcad |
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| 22:32.58 | brlcad | ~fling at JBdiGriz |
| 22:33.19 | brlcad | aw, no love |
| 22:34.01 | JBdiGriz | I was just helping you out of the room more quickly :D |
| 22:35.19 | blast007 | JeffM2501: I also upgraded my dedicated server to PHP5.2, so I could run the wiki there too |
| 22:35.36 | JeffM2501 | cooleo |
| 22:37.38 | TD-Linux | JBdiGriz: 4, but that's becuase I'm weird. |
| 22:38.28 | TD-Linux | I occassionally use 2 for my spaghetti PHP code |
| 22:38.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (9 files): server side DR for tank positions. |
| 22:38.35 | JeffM2501 | that should be fun |
| 22:39.36 | blast007 | :) |
| 22:39.37 | JeffM2501 | it's even used for some stuff |
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| 22:40.06 | Erroneous | brlcad: I prefer spaces for midline stuff, but VS has a habit of turning n levels of indent into tabs regardless of how you typed it in. |
| 22:40.25 | TD-Linux | DR.... Disaster Recovery? |
| 22:40.31 | Erroneous | dead reckoning |
| 22:40.35 | TD-Linux | oh :) |
| 22:40.36 | brlcad | Erroneous: thanks for ze feedback |
| 22:41.02 | JeffM2501 | basicly the server now does what the client does, and figures out where the tank should be for each loop iteration |
| 22:41.06 | Erroneous | so I wouldn't know whether to be happy or annoyed if it was, ahem, legislated upon :) |
| 22:41.50 | Erroneous | VS also interprets tabs in the middle of lines differently than nixish editors do, iirc |
| 22:42.00 | Erroneous | which is one of the reasons I prefer spaces ;) |
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| 22:47.10 | brlcad | Erroneous: I wasn't planning on changing anything (at least to bz) .. more curious just how charged of an issue it is and where people felt about it |
| 22:47.22 | brlcad | seems mostly a *shrug* issue |
| 22:47.28 | Erroneous | yup, mostly :) |
| 22:47.50 | Erroneous | I just count it as one of the annoyances of crossplatform dev |
| 22:51.02 | brlcad | hey TimRiker .. haven't seen a "ws" commit in a long time.. ;-) |
| 22:53.28 | Flash | Tupone: with emacs, you can embed a literal tab with ^q^i |
| 22:54.04 | Flash | or meta-I, maybe (the fingers remember how, but I don't have emacs at the moment) |
| 22:56.11 | brlcad | just add to .emacs and you're good to go: (global-set-key "ESC " (quote self-insert-command " ")) |
| 22:56.18 | Flash | I might have meta-tab, I just can't remember |
| 22:56.38 | Flash | of course, I use xemacs, so it might be different |
| 22:56.39 | brlcad | it's not a default binding, so unless you made it.. |
| 22:56.56 | JBdiGriz | Why are all of the mac people using emacs? |
| 22:56.58 | brlcad | by default it's bound to something else, something rather useless |
| 22:57.15 | Flash | I don't use emacs on the Mac; at work on Solaris |
| 22:59.42 | L4m3r | slowlaris? :P |
| 23:01.19 | Flash | TimRiker: what is wrong with ibot? He seems to have forgotten his most popular commands |
| 23:02.14 | Flash | brlcad (and anyone else who cares): I think in c-mode, meta-; creates an end-of-line comment (with tabs/spacing) |
| 23:04.18 | JeffM2501 | is Grabed with one b or 2? |
| 23:04.24 | Tupone | 2 |
| 23:04.28 | JeffM2501 | thank you |
| 23:10.43 | Tupone | Flash: thanks. Tried that (and it works) |
| 23:11.18 | Flash | which that? |
| 23:14.11 | brlcad | meta-; |
| 23:18.51 | TimRiker | Flash: like? |
| 23:19.04 | Flash | ~insult tokimi |
| 23:19.06 | Flash | ~muzzle tokimi |
| 23:19.10 | Flash | ~bind tokimi |
| 23:19.16 | Flash | ok, insult works |
| 23:19.24 | Flash | but most of the other attacks are broken |
| 23:19.28 | TimRiker | I could restart him I suppose... |
| 23:19.32 | TimRiker | ibot: die |
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| 23:21.03 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || paste to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || CVS HEAD is 2.1 and for all new commits || http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9453 || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 |
| 23:21.03 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o ibot] by ChanServ |
| 23:21.13 | TimRiker | ~bind Flash |
| 23:21.15 | ibot | ACTION wraps Flash up with 100 rolls of duct tape |
| 23:21.23 | brlcad | TimRiker: curious, how big is ibot's database now? |
| 23:21.30 | Flash | yay |
| 23:21.31 | brlcad | got to be one of the biggest |
| 23:21.35 | Flash | slow, but yay |
| 23:21.47 | TimRiker | well, he's still joining channels. |
| 23:21.52 | Flash | ~pamper TimRiker |
| 23:21.54 | ibot | ACTION pulls out all the stops, and arranges a 2-hour massage, manicure, pedicure, facial and a full day at the spa for TimRiker. In addition, food is catered from the local 5-star restaurants, prepared especially for TimRiker. An army of people are available to do anything TimRiker might wish for! |
| 23:22.33 | TimRiker | -rw-r--r-- 1 ibot ibot 77118464 2007-01-26 16:21 blootbot.sqlite |
| 23:22.43 | Flash | how many channels is he in? |
| 23:22.44 | brlcad | hm, not too shabby |
| 23:22.56 | brlcad | that ascii data? |
| 23:23.34 | TimRiker | no. well, ascii plus indexing. it's not compressed. |
| 23:23.35 | brlcad | or is sqlite compressing or blobs or somesuch in use |
| 23:23.36 | brlcad | k |
| 23:24.35 | TimRiker | ~chaninfo |
| 23:24.35 | ibot | I'm on 76 channels: #/9, ##ducleague/14, ##icf/5, ##pxe/7, ##t42/4, #aegis/1, #asterisk/291, #asterisk-doc/7, #botpark/15, #brlcad/14, #byumug/3, #bz-inc/10, #bzflag/55, #bzmods/5, #casualti/1, #creativeforum/3, #debian/711, #debian-bots/16, #debian-france/10, #debianppc/15, #dub/8, #edev/25, #elinux/32, #elive/28, #familiar/24, #familysearch/3, #flyspray/10, ... |
| 23:24.35 | ibot | i've cached 3194 users, 2439 unique users, distributed over 76 channels. |
| 23:24.55 | brlcad | ~factinfo |
| 23:25.35 | TimRiker | poor bot. |
| 23:25.35 | Flash | I guess it takes a bit of time to join all those chans |
| 23:25.45 | TimRiker | needs a new server. 76 is not all of them yet. |
| 23:25.45 | Flash | he hasn't hit ##essy yet.... |
| 23:26.11 | spldart | That's a busy bot |
| 23:26.23 | Flash | what kind of hardware? |
| 23:26.25 | inchworm | guess that explains why he's slow at times |
| 23:26.29 | TimRiker | k6 300 |
| 23:26.34 | Flash | single cpu? |
| 23:26.37 | TimRiker | yes |
| 23:26.38 | spldart | K6's rule :) |
| 23:26.54 | brlcad | ~factstats total |
| 23:27.36 | TimRiker | -rw-r--r-- 1 ibot ibot 14059204 2007-01-26 16:23 dump/20070126.gz |
| 23:27.52 | TimRiker | that's the compressed backup. text sql dump compressed. |
| 23:28.03 | brlcad | cool, have not asked for -73325 factoids... |
| 23:29.02 | Erroneous | hehe |
| 23:29.03 | TimRiker | his server needs an upgrade, but I've not gotten to it. |
| 23:29.16 | TimRiker | it's a bug. go fix it. :) |
| 23:29.34 | brlcad | fix it? I'm not even sure what it means :) |
| 23:29.56 | brlcad | or what it should mean for that matter |
| 23:29.58 | TimRiker | :) us the source, luke |
| 23:30.02 | TimRiker | er use... sheesh. |
| 23:30.20 | brlcad | Erroneous: he means you |
| 23:30.21 | Flash | is that like "we the source luke"? |
| 23:30.23 | brlcad | jedi master |
| 23:30.37 | Erroneous | Flash: wii the source luke? |
| 23:30.41 | Flash | ewwww |
| 23:31.01 | Flash | imagine Obi Wan losing his light saber like a wii controller... |
| 23:31.27 | inchworm | that's right, i didn't see a strap on his :) |
| 23:31.29 | Flash | .... "ooops. my bad!" .... |
| 23:31.58 | TimRiker | Flash: ##essy is not on ibot's list. want infobot in there? |
| 23:32.13 | Flash | jbot was there |
| 23:32.17 | inchworm | i can't belive i'm saying this, but is a strap needed if you have the force? |
| 23:32.20 | Erroneous | jbot has been there for quite some time, logging, autorejoining, etc |
| 23:32.37 | spldart | Is your left hand needed if you have the force? |
| 23:32.39 | Erroneous | not at the moment though |
| 23:32.40 | spldart | 8-X |
| 23:32.48 | Flash | 16:20 ||| jbot i=ibot@pdpc/supporter/active/TimRiker/bot/apt has quit Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) |
| 23:32.48 | Erroneous | are any hands needed if you have the force? ;) |
| 23:32.57 | TimRiker | hmm. not on the list at present. fixing... |
| 23:33.10 | Erroneous | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23%23essy/ |
| 23:33.28 | inchworm | jbot just showed up |
| 23:33.34 | inchworm | in ##essy |
| 23:33.58 | TimRiker | up to 80 channels now. |
| 23:34.04 | Erroneous | inchworm: so did TimRiker, Captain Obvious ;) |
| 23:34.06 | inchworm | well hush my mouth :) |
| 23:34.23 | JeffM2501 | popular bot |
| 23:35.12 | Flash | most certainly |
| 23:35.13 | spldart | Tough crowd |
| 23:35.14 | TimRiker | don't know how many channels CIA is in. that's the only other one in the running. |
| 23:36.14 | Flash | if you join some channels as ibot and others as jbot, does that mean different connections? |
| 23:36.31 | TimRiker | yes. one connection per nick. |
| 23:36.32 | Flash | or is there an IRC subtlety of which I am not aware (highly likely)? |
| 23:37.08 | TimRiker | on freenode one connection can only have 20 channels. so that's why there are different nicks. |
| 23:37.14 | Flash | ahh |
| 23:37.36 | JeffM2501 | it's ibot, jbot, apt, and what else? |
| 23:37.39 | Flash | now I can leave today |
| 23:37.40 | JeffM2501 | up to kbot? |
| 23:37.48 | spldart | heh |
| 23:38.00 | TimRiker | an ircop can do more and the freenode folks offered to make ibot an ircop. that sounded like a Really Bad Idea to me. |
| 23:38.08 | Erroneous | eep |
| 23:38.11 | TimRiker | purl and infobot. |
| 23:38.40 | Flash | out of curiosity, does ibot /ghost himself if necessary? |
| 23:38.44 | Erroneous | suppose that would be one way to raise exposure to check ibot's security ;) |
| 23:38.45 | TimRiker | yes |
| 23:39.07 | Flash | did you write that or was it part of the bot framework (or did you write that too)? |
| 23:39.08 | TimRiker | Erroneous: read: that would be one way to get more ibot hackers. |
| 23:39.21 | TimRiker | brlcad: thx! :) |
| 23:39.26 | Erroneous | and what project wouldn't want more hackers? :) |
| 23:40.05 | TimRiker | infobot was written by lenzo and other #perl hackers eons ago. blootbot was modified by xk and others to run as apt in #debian. |
| 23:40.29 | Flash | so who did the ghosting? |
| 23:40.43 | TimRiker | ibot was started by... hmm I forget who, as in infobot in #handhelds.org, Tangent perhaps? |
| 23:41.05 | TimRiker | I slowly took over all of them, merged the changes, and now I run them. |
| 23:41.28 | Flash | I'm curious, because I spent some time figuring out what messages are actually exchanged and implemented auto-ghosting for myself |
| 23:41.44 | TimRiker | I also admin the infobot project on SF, but that codebase is dead. I need to merge most of the blootbot stuff back into infobot and wake that project up again. |
| 23:41.57 | Erroneous | hmm, cute...according to seamonkey, I just finished downloading an 18 exabyte phpbb backup. http://www.swordofkahless.com/nonsok/sm-18eb.PNG |
| 23:42.11 | TimRiker | lenzo approves, but has not responded on moving the dns pointers someplace where I could host infobot.org |
| 23:42.31 | JeffM2501 | 18 exabytes |
| 23:42.42 | spldart | always one... |
| 23:42.43 | spldart | heh |
| 23:42.48 | JeffM2501 | an exabyte is a real unit |
| 23:42.49 | Flash | ~dict exabyte |
| 23:42.52 | TimRiker | Flash: I added most of the ghosting code, and all of the multi-connection code. |
| 23:43.20 | TimRiker | ibot: convert 1 exabyte to bytes |
| 23:43.39 | Flash | wow Erroneous, that's impressive |
| 23:43.46 | Flash | you download that on your laptop? |
| 23:43.54 | Erroneous | nope, work machine ;) |
| 23:44.15 | TimRiker | ibot: convert 18 exabyte to gigabytes |
| 23:44.28 | TimRiker | ibot: convert 18 exabyte to terabytes |
| 23:44.37 | TimRiker | ibot: convert 18 exabyte to petabytes |
| 23:45.28 | TimRiker | ibot: convert 18 exainches to miles |
| 23:45.35 | Erroneous | heh |
| 23:45.48 | TimRiker | ibot: convert 18 exainches to gigamiles |
| 23:46.30 | TimRiker | ibot: convert 18 exainches to lightyears |
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| 23:49.51 | spldart | 11.55 days at warp nine |
| 23:50.43 | brlcad | :) |
