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| 04:40.00 | AAA_awright | :bzs part |
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| 04:41.24 | AAA_awright | Now accepting Q&A for those who smell a conspiricy |
| 04:41.49 | blast007 | ? |
| 04:42.05 | AAA_awright | 42. Next? |
| 04:42.10 | a_meteorite | *blinding camera flashes* What gave you this idea?! |
| 04:42.16 | spldart | heh |
| 04:42.30 | a_meteorite | Who is your commander? |
| 04:42.32 | AAA_awright | not a question. Next? |
| 04:42.42 | AAA_awright | I answer to no one. Next? |
| 04:42.47 | a_meteorite | Um? |
| 04:42.53 | AAA_awright | (except you, but for purposed of #bzflag...) |
| 04:43.17 | a_meteorite | What is he called BZStockBot and not SuperCoolBot? |
| 04:43.26 | blast007 | a_meteorite: cuz it's not cool ;) |
| 04:43.41 | AAA_awright | http://labs.tssoftware.net/bzstocks/ Next? |
| 04:43.42 | a_meteorite | blast007: So you're the one with the idea! *cameras point* |
| 04:44.10 | a_meteorite | Yeah, I know what it's for. I was just putting on the whole Q&A thing. :P |
| 04:47.44 | biggeruniverse | that's not cool |
| 04:47.53 | biggeruniverse | what is the monetary unit? |
| 04:48.06 | biggeruniverse | what does it trade at against the gold ingot? |
| 04:48.33 | biggeruniverse | At what rate can I convert it to Euros? |
| 04:49.10 | biggeruniverse | what is the means of calculation, if nothing else |
| 04:49.29 | biggeruniverse | over what time period? |
| 04:55.02 | Theme97 | is this a question? |
| 04:55.24 | Theme97 | no? WRONG! |
| 04:58.51 | biggeruniverse | what? |
| 04:59.20 | biggeruniverse | Wasn't every line but the first a question? |
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| 05:12.58 | bryjen | is this #botpark ? |
| 05:13.12 | a_meteorite | not last time I checked |
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| 05:41.17 | biggeruniverse | someone send ibot away |
| 05:41.50 | biggeruniverse | maybe I'm a bot |
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| 06:16.10 | biggeruniverse | biggeruniverse puts ibot in is magic bag of holding +1 |
| 06:16.17 | biggeruniverse | *in his |
| 06:35.45 | Flash | why is it that sometimes my serverlist is in activity order |
| 06:35.52 | Flash | and sometimes it's alphabetical |
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| 07:25.33 | blast007 | Flash: doesn't it do both, with the # of actual players (a.k.a. non-observers) first, and then by alphabetical? |
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| 08:12.52 | biggeruniverse | much better |
| 08:12.59 | biggeruniverse | oops, wrong window |
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| 10:03.53 | ts | ¡Buenas tardes Manu! |
| 10:04.29 | ts | Ciao Tupone |
| 10:04.47 | Tupone | morgen ts |
| 10:06.32 | ts | Tupone: Do you know who gave MsgKilled reasons etc? |
| 10:07.01 | ts | I want to talk to that dev to understand why |
| 10:07.03 | Tupone | nope, is just a client things IIRC |
| 10:07.35 | Tupone | I think is an old thing |
| 10:07.42 | ts | MsgHit could transport reasons also after some modifications |
| 10:08.22 | ts | and at MsgKilled there is a comment "player declared selfkill" which is obviously not true |
| 10:09.12 | Tupone | hmm, maybe you can look at cvs log to see whom to ask? |
| 10:09.13 | ts | As getting shot by another player always triggers MsgHit and MsgKilled (I don't remember the order of packets right now) |
| 10:09.44 | ts | Tupone: Hehe, most of the wierdness is older than the SF history |
| 10:10.23 | Tupone | I used to get help from cvs annotate -rxx |
| 10:10.26 | ts | It also has to do with the beloved playing.cxx |
| 10:13.33 | ts | Tupone: heh, the thing is already present in rev. 1.1 of playing.cxx , meaning more than 6 years and 10 months old |
| 10:14.42 | Tupone | what you want to put in MsgKilled? |
| 10:14.58 | Tupone | now I get is only for score |
| 10:15.16 | ts | I would expect MsgKilled to have no parameters, only for selfkill purpose |
| 10:15.57 | ts | I could achieve this with reason == SelfKill inside the MsgKilled handler of bzfs but that would be ugly in my understanding |
| 10:16.48 | ts | Another opinion would be a MsgSelfKilled |
| 10:17.42 | ts | Tupone: What do you think would be best? |
| 10:17.43 | Tupone | why no parameter? how do you update the score? Is there some other message for that? I don't remember now what is inside the MsgHit |
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| 10:18.26 | Tupone | I remember MsgHit is to stop the shot |
| 10:19.18 | ts | it's currently also used for resetting pauseRequestTime |
| 10:19.19 | Tupone | if the shot is stopable |
| 10:19.26 | ts | Which is not done in MsgKilled |
| 10:19.32 | Manu | guten morgen ts |
| 10:19.49 | ts | so there is at least one bug ;) |
| 10:20.07 | Manu | but it's buenos días ts ;) |
| 10:20.24 | ts | Aww Manu :( |
| 10:20.32 | Tupone | and msg killed instead, IIRC, get the info of the killed, and killer, to update the score |
| 10:20.49 | ts | ¡Buenos días Manu! then :p |
| 10:21.24 | ts | Tupone: shooterPlayer is in MsgHit |
| 10:22.20 | ts | I can't steamroll my own tank so I can't test whether a SR triggers MsgHit and MsgKilled |
| 10:22.55 | Tupone | so the only missing is the self killed, or something not linked to shot, like mines, SR, drawn ... |
| 10:23.42 | ts | Mines are evil ;) |
| 10:24.20 | ts | Hmm, I could test it now on the viper map, brb |
| 10:28.59 | ts | ok, no MsgHit by the moat |
| 10:30.12 | ts | Tupone: Should I just do a if (reason == SelfKill) inside MsgKilled or use a new MsgType only for selfkills? |
| 10:30.30 | ts | I want to control those server-side, like pause |
| 10:31.07 | Tupone | hmm, why that? you don't want a guy to kill himself? |
| 10:31.48 | Tupone | or you are thinking about the server to trigger SR-kill? |
| 10:32.04 | Tupone | or what? |
| 10:35.45 | ts | Tupone: I want to enforce that no instand selfkills are possible |
| 10:35.52 | ts | instant* |
| 10:36.41 | Tupone | I guess that does not solve anything :/ |
| 10:36.54 | Tupone | unless you explain me |
| 10:37.14 | ts | Tupone: Meaning a server side timer that gets started at the same time the player touches his self kill button |
| 10:37.57 | Tupone | it's not an anticheat, is just a server calibrated self kill I think |
| 10:38.15 | ts | and when the player selfkills sooner than the timer says, then log it/kick |
| 10:38.39 | Tupone | and if the player want to stop this? |
| 10:38.58 | ts | then send a signal to server to reset the timer |
| 10:41.34 | Tupone | I really do not love this, people can kill theirselves just sending a shot and then sending a killed by its, No way to stop this cheat simply |
| 10:42.41 | Tupone | but in case you want to do, I'd prefer a new message, or a MsgHit specifying its own tank, and some special shot (-1, maybe) like when killed by an SR |
| 10:43.02 | ts | Well, it would fight the case that someone makes the client side timer just being too fast |
| 10:43.03 | Tupone | or MsgKill. I don't know what is used for SR |
| 10:43.16 | ts | SR is MsgKilled |
| 10:44.11 | Tupone | ts: he can still use the MsgShot, MsgHit and MsgKilled to do that |
| 10:44.27 | Tupone | and vain your effort |
| 10:44.53 | ts | Tupone: True but no protection is worse than a bit protection |
| 10:45.46 | Tupone | my own preference is to code good, or not code at all, but maybe is only me. |
| 10:47.05 | Tupone | well, maybe if you use this message to reject any shot from the tank during the pause period, then maybe I agree on implementing that |
| 10:47.08 | ts | Tupone: At one point there will be server side kill decisions, meaning the server would track the bullets then, too. |
| 10:47.49 | ts | So the code would not be useless, it would work together with server side kills |
| 10:48.27 | Tupone | because an other way to cheat is declaring a self killed and aborting just before the expiration, and doing that for all the game, and not aborting when he want to self kill |
| 10:49.24 | ts | Tupone: Do you mean self kill period instead of pause period? |
| 10:49.40 | ts | otherwise it makes no sense to me |
| 10:50.57 | Tupone | If you want to be self killed in some occasion, you can always make your timer start, so sometime you are ready to self kill you, waiting on average the 50 % of the decided interval |
| 10:52.26 | ts | Yes, would be like flooding with requests |
| 10:53.08 | Tupone | I would not clutter the code with no good solution. I hardly disagree when Manu did the end-of-shot credit, as it was not a solution, but that was on a stable version, so no possibility was to fix that on the good way. |
| 10:53.12 | ts | however we could just limit the max. number of allowed requests per time unit |
| 10:55.57 | Tupone | I hope you will think more on pro & cons of that choice. Put a good solution on code, not just a mid way |
| 10:57.59 | ts | Tupone: I think it can not be entirely prevented |
| 10:58.45 | Tupone | then no need to code it now. Wait for when shot is server side. That is my opinion |
| 10:59.05 | Manu | Tupone: I know endshot anticheat is not the best way to do it. It was simply a quick fix ;) |
| 10:59.22 | Tupone | Manu: I explained that in my sentence |
| 10:59.37 | ts | Tupone Sending a lot of requests and then just declare self killed when you're ready. That is independent of the shot/kill code |
| 11:00.05 | ts | There is hardly a possibility to prevent this |
| 11:00.45 | Tupone | A way to avoid this, for instance, is to disable shot from a self-killing player, even before the death |
| 11:00.48 | ts | I'll be making a little table and then come back with my suggestion Tupone ;) |
| 11:01.50 | ts | Having lunch now |
| 11:02.00 | Tupone | so he can do, put is functionality is degraded |
| 11:02.40 | Tupone | have a good lunch |
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| 16:53.23 | Thonolan | i use linux (ubuntu) i have wierd sound (very fast) if i use my usb-headset ,if i choose soundcard sound runs ok ,any ideas ? |
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| 17:07.21 | S1gn | Thonolan: just curious, what's that usb headset? any manuf. data, model, chipset? |
| 17:07.53 | Thonolan | S1gn: sorry it is an cmi chipset |
| 17:08.12 | Thonolan | under teamspeak and skype it works fine |
| 17:08.34 | Thonolan | manufacturer is gembird |
| 17:08.50 | S1gn | Thonolan: there was some issues with sample rate in bzflag... I couldn't use it with alsa dmix plugin on 44100 |
| 17:09.07 | Thonolan | ah yes |
| 17:09.10 | S1gn | bzflag needs 22050 |
| 17:09.25 | S1gn | iirc |
| 17:09.58 | S1gn | maybe that's the reason |
| 17:10.18 | Thonolan | yes iguess you are right |
| 17:10.35 | Tupone | Thonolan: don't use dmix |
| 17:11.03 | S1gn | Thonolan: do you use alsa driver? what driver fits your usb headset? |
| 17:11.20 | Thonolan | yes i use alsa |
| 17:11.31 | Thonolan | Tupone: thx |
| 17:11.49 | Tupone | change to hw, or plughw, not dmix |
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| 17:14.52 | Thonolan | Tupone: thx for help my setting was device alsa and hw:2 now i change to plughw:2 |
| 17:14.59 | Thonolan | and it works |
| 17:15.04 | Tupone | ok |
| 17:15.07 | Thonolan | S1gn: thanks too |
| 17:15.40 | Thonolan | bye nice support |
| 17:15.40 | Tupone | dmix has some bug. Maybe if you have a patched alsa is good too |
| 17:15.40 | S1gn | np |
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| 22:16.56 | a_meteorite | hey, my bzfs keeps crashing... |
| 22:17.04 | a_meteorite | I managed to get a core dump and I ran gdb on it |
| 22:18.07 | a_meteorite | if anyone has an idea... take a look: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/316718 |
| 22:18.21 | a_meteorite | at first it crashed if there were more than 3 players with fairCTF, so I unloaded it |
| 22:18.34 | a_meteorite | now it randomly crashes (above and below 3 players) |
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| 22:31.02 | Tupone | a_meteorite: lol ... a bt could help |
| 22:31.51 | a_meteorite | a what? |
| 22:32.09 | Tupone | you could at least type bt<enter> |
| 22:32.49 | Tupone | and if you can remove the plugins and test again. I think plugins are making it crash |
| 22:33.25 | a_meteorite | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/316731 |
| 22:34.37 | Tupone | plugins/logDetail.so is crashing |
| 22:35.15 | a_meteorite | ick |
| 22:35.22 | a_meteorite | I've never modded it either |
| 22:35.24 | a_meteorite | I wonder why |
| 22:35.35 | a_meteorite | this is latest cvs |
| 22:35.36 | CBG | Could be a clash with another plugin. |
| 22:36.15 | Tupone | well, maybe another plugin make it crashed. That is why I really hate plugins made this way. No way for me to debug your configuration |
| 22:37.37 | a_meteorite | same set-up as always |
| 22:37.41 | a_meteorite | it's just been crashing lately |
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| 22:40.03 | Tupone | well, I just say I cannot debug your configuration. If it was a plain bzfs, maybe I could follow the stack. Try to not load any plugin and see if it work or not. And then add one by one |
| 22:40.31 | a_meteorite | ok |
| 22:40.36 | a_meteorite | a tad busy, in a bit :) |
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