| 00:01.31 | spldart | sry it took so long.. got into a beer debate |
| 00:02.03 | wegstar | :) |
| 00:05.18 | spldart | poo |
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| 00:57.41 | AAA_awright | Announcing...... The return of http://bzflag.redjacket.ws/ ! |
| 00:58.01 | AAA_awright | the stats.bzflag 2.0 site |
| 00:58.31 | ts | JeffM2501: ping |
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| 01:20.47 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 01:22.03 | Erroneous | ! |
| 01:22.23 | blast007 | . |
| 01:22.41 | JeffM2501 | word! |
| 01:22.47 | JeffM2501 | oh he left |
| 01:22.57 | Erroneous | indeed |
| 01:23.08 | CBG | It is so. |
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| 02:35.47 | bz76 | can i get help?? |
| 02:36.16 | bz76 | anyone here |
| 02:36.39 | CBG | Hi.. |
| 02:36.45 | CBG | Help with? |
| 02:37.34 | bz76 | how can i get admin privs .to help with one of the maps im onn all the time?? |
| 02:37.52 | bz76 | there are never any admins there |
| 02:38.30 | bz76 | but lots of tkers flag runners and never any flags |
| 02:39.14 | bz76 | are you there |
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| 02:41.30 | bz12 | hello????? |
| 02:41.37 | blast007 | we're here |
| 02:41.52 | blast007 | usually the policy is, "if you ask for admin, you won't get it" |
| 02:42.33 | blast007 | you could discuss the current shortage of admins with the owner of the server |
| 02:42.35 | JeffM2501 | run your own server |
| 02:42.39 | blast007 | heh... |
| 02:42.50 | JeffM2501 | then you can make yourself an admin |
| 02:42.53 | bz12 | how can i get more involved |
| 02:43.26 | blast007 | involved with what? |
| 02:43.28 | JeffM2501 | depends on what you want to do |
| 02:44.44 | bz12 | help keep the server that myself and others play on fun with out cheaters and with flags |
| 02:44.56 | a_meteorite | that's up to the server owner |
| 02:45.26 | bz12 | hey meteor it is cableguy932 |
| 02:45.42 | a_meteorite | hi |
| 02:46.17 | bz12 | how can i find ouy whos it is |
| 02:46.24 | a_meteorite | make a /report |
| 02:46.29 | a_meteorite | see what the server message says |
| 02:46.37 | a_meteorite | ask an admin that is on the server... |
| 02:47.26 | bz12 | thats just it there are never any there it is missile one |
| 02:47.52 | bz12 | allways full house but no admins |
| 02:47.55 | blast007 | the admins might also just live in different timezones, so you just miss them |
| 02:47.55 | a_meteorite | then that is a poorly admined server |
| 02:48.01 | a_meteorite | :) |
| 02:48.14 | a_meteorite | I believe 1st Consul runs that |
| 02:48.22 | a_meteorite | but he changed his name to something I have no idea |
| 02:50.15 | bz12 | ok thanks guys going back to play |
| 02:50.20 | bz12 | nite |
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| 03:28.05 | cyberacid07 | what patches do i need for 2,08 |
| 03:29.09 | blast007 | patches? |
| 03:29.16 | blast007 | you don't need any patches |
| 03:30.47 | blast007 | cyberacid07: want to explain a little more? |
| 03:38.21 | a_meteorite | maybe from he thinks patches for 2.0.x->2.0.8? |
| 03:38.33 | a_meteorite | *cause he |
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| 03:41.49 | a_meteorite | danny, hey! do I know you from myself? ;) |
| 03:41.58 | a_meteorite | hehe |
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| 04:13.32 | brlcad | for the new auth system, I'm planning on having server ops register their servers |
| 04:13.45 | brlcad | for multiple reasons, but one is so that contact information can be maintained |
| 04:14.19 | brlcad | won't be required, but perhaps required to get access to global groups and other benefits |
| 04:17.33 | L4m3r | good idea. |
| 04:18.31 | L4m3r | make it that much easier to complain to server ops who are flooding or otherwise polluting the list |
| 04:18.42 | L4m3r | i.e. servers with a dozen bots all the time |
| 04:20.03 | brlcad | another benefit would be that it could allow for a certification process of sorts, where you could state the intended audience, have administrative criteria for how well the server is run, perhaps popularity tracking |
| 04:20.22 | L4m3r | hm... |
| 04:20.37 | L4m3r | a content filter... |
| 04:21.22 | cosmos | new auth system... |
| 04:21.37 | L4m3r | the only issue I see is the subjectiveness of things like "administrative criteria" |
| 04:21.53 | brlcad | also a means to simply add one additional step to the process of setting up a server, to differentiate a random kid that types bzfs -public and servers with massive administrative backing like hep/silvercat and mofo servers |
| 04:22.13 | L4m3r | heh... |
| 04:22.29 | cosmos | but hepcat is just a random bzfs ;) |
| 04:22.33 | L4m3r | just don't make it too difficult. Mofo was started as a bzfs -public server you know :) |
| 04:22.43 | brlcad | L4m3r: yes, though a goal would be to only use objective criteria -- what's the player to admin ratio |
| 04:22.49 | L4m3r | ah |
| 04:23.47 | brlcad | or is there a website for support, or is there a mailing list, or does it have a publicly stated usage policy, etc |
| 04:23.53 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 04:24.14 | brlcad | some are basic, but most servers don't have any of those.. yet a few actually do and could/should be rewarded for that effort |
| 04:24.41 | L4m3r | one thing I would also like to see is some sort of private collaborative area for higer-up server admins and ops |
| 04:25.10 | L4m3r | right now the only way we can get info around is via IRC |
| 04:25.49 | L4m3r | and that's not too helpful when a persistent troll or cheater is committing random acts of asshattery all over the public list |
| 04:26.42 | L4m3r | a system like you're describing would allow some very clear criteria for admission to such a thing |
| 04:28.03 | L4m3r | though it's still rather muddled because, to varying degrees, administration and maintenance are a group effort for most (bigger) servers |
| 04:28.05 | L4m3r | ;) |
| 04:32.16 | cosmos | make all admins pledge allegiance and unwavering loyalty to brlcad |
| 04:32.43 | L4m3r | heh |
| 04:33.38 | brlcad | hehe |
| 04:34.20 | brlcad | well, i'm not going to address the collaboration aspect other than maybe some sort of memoserv mailboxing maybe later on, but it's a good idea |
| 04:34.38 | L4m3r | a forum would probably be the best thing |
| 04:34.51 | L4m3r | it's just that right now there's no real way to say who can participate |
| 04:34.52 | brlcad | undoubtedly, or even irc |
| 04:35.19 | L4m3r | the nice thing about irc is that anyone can take care of that :P |
| 04:35.50 | L4m3r | but it's not as useful for distributing notices or info |
| 04:37.04 | brlcad | the auth system "could" get track of server bans (at least log them or backup persistence) and there could be auto-global-bans for players that are banned from more than N servers of a given caliber |
| 04:37.45 | L4m3r | that'd be nice |
| 04:38.51 | biggeruniverse | Great Leader brlcad il |
| 04:40.17 | brlcad | huh? |
| 04:40.58 | biggeruniverse | Have them all pledge allegiance to Great Leader Kim brlcad il |
| 04:41.08 | brlcad | ah |
| 04:42.24 | L4m3r | lol |
| 04:43.33 | biggeruniverse | Great Reader Kim Jong iR |
| 04:43.43 | biggeruniverse | see? it doesn't work |
| 04:43.52 | biggeruniverse | unless he's a great reader |
| 04:45.53 | biggeruniverse | hmm |
| 04:46.13 | biggeruniverse | shadow mapping takes too many passes. |
| 04:46.54 | brlcad | ~bzflist |
| 04:47.30 | biggeruniverse | don't mind if I do |
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| 05:30.08 | brlcad | howdy fills |
| 05:30.16 | brlcad | or not |
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| 05:33.03 | L4m3r | um... should this be gotten rid of? |
| 05:33.05 | L4m3r | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=98162#98157 |
| 05:33.30 | L4m3r | most forums have a rule against this sort of thing but I've never seen it stated as a policy of BZBB |
| 05:34.34 | blast007 | eck, posting a torrent? |
| 05:35.36 | brlcad | L4m3r: I'd say the whole thread is rather pointless and off-topic, but then that is the chat forum |
| 05:35.55 | blast007 | L4m3r: I deleted that post, as that's not allowed |
| 05:36.32 | brlcad | but yeah, it shouldn't link to malware, spyware, copyright violations, or contain deep links, etc |
| 05:36.46 | a_meteorite | not all torrents are copyright violations ;) |
| 05:36.51 | brlcad | quite true |
| 05:36.52 | a_meteorite | (but I don't know what it was a torrent of either) |
| 05:36.55 | brlcad | just most |
| 05:36.58 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 05:37.03 | blast007 | but ones with the word "vista" in them are :P |
| 05:37.19 | a_meteorite | the nature of torrents invites a lot of copyright violations... among other things |
| 05:41.59 | blast007 | and a nice PM to them was sent, with some bolded text ;) |
| 05:42.01 | brlcad | in any case, the intent of the link indicated an intent to violate a copyright |
| 05:42.24 | brlcad | Fills link to the other phpbb that "has instructions" is questionable as well |
| 05:42.37 | brlcad | but more borderline |
| 05:50.25 | biggeruniverse | ban them all |
| 05:50.35 | brlcad | starting with biggeruniverse ! |
| 05:50.38 | blast007 | lol |
| 05:51.44 | biggeruniverse | sounds good to me |
| 05:52.01 | biggeruniverse | as long as you go on to the rest, I can take one for the team |
| 05:54.55 | biggeruniverse | biggeruniverse is an ******* ************ ******* with ******* that ********** **** a **** flying through the ******* of a *********** *******. |
| 05:55.03 | biggeruniverse | or so I've heard |
| 05:55.55 | biggeruniverse | I'm sure Shakespeare put it more eloquently somewhere. |
| 05:56.32 | brlcad | is that a mad lib? |
| 05:56.36 | biggeruniverse | yes |
| 05:56.43 | biggeruniverse | have fun with that |
| 05:58.20 | biggeruniverse | biggerunverse is an [adjective] [noun] [verb] with [noun] that [verb] [preposition] a [noun] flying through the [noun] of a [noun] |
| 05:58.50 | brlcad | blast007: I'd suggest having a link to the m.b.o auth page for those (like myself) that are untrusting towards where that user/pass info is going to go to (bzexcess) |
| 05:58.52 | biggeruniverse | sorry *a [noun] -> a [adjective] [noun] |
| 05:59.24 | brlcad | otherwise, really nice site, neat idea |
| 05:59.37 | blast007 | k |
| 05:59.39 | blast007 | and thx |
| 06:01.05 | brlcad | i can just imagine the fit hitting the shans when some monkey puts up a registration page that just goes to their own personal log file |
| 06:01.41 | a_meteorite | brlcad, Shhh! ;) |
| 06:01.52 | brlcad | heh |
| 06:02.22 | brlcad | blast007: cept that tank is funky |
| 06:03.43 | brlcad | the logo is nice n polished, graphics otherwise clean.. but that tank underbelly shot is .. about as interesting as the underside of my car |
| 06:04.57 | brlcad | could just be the contrasting lack of antialiasing against the quality smooth title logo |
| 06:05.19 | blast007 | hmm |
| 06:05.55 | blast007 | it was hard to get a good picture since that's from a screenshot in the game ;) |
| 06:06.22 | brlcad | what about the high-quality render jeff made? |
| 06:06.59 | blast007 | where would that be? |
| 06:07.01 | blast007 | the forum? |
| 06:07.16 | brlcad | i have the original somewhere around here, lemme dig |
| 06:07.25 | blast007 | k |
| 06:07.31 | a_meteorite | Yeah, I'd like that too... |
| 06:07.32 | brlcad | hm, or even set up a shot like tupone's tank that was used here: http://bzflag.bz/images/dmg-1.10.0.png |
| 06:07.52 | brlcad | ah, and the icon there is a modified version of that render |
| 06:08.24 | a_meteorite | Isn't there a model of a tank that you can render or something? |
| 06:08.25 | brlcad | oh yeah, and Saturos made a lot of great renders .. there's a thread somewhere when the last release was made |
| 06:08.28 | brlcad | e.g. http://bzflag.bz/images/dmg-2.0.6.png |
| 06:08.59 | brlcad | a_meteorite: sure, that's what's been used |
| 06:09.09 | a_meteorite | brlcad, yeah, but where is it? |
| 06:09.24 | brlcad | dig for it, on the forums "somewhere" |
| 06:09.43 | brlcad | i just linked to one from saturos |
| 06:09.47 | a_meteorite | lol |
| 06:09.56 | a_meteorite | I love searching the boards through crap. :) |
| 06:11.01 | brlcad | he had links posted in here too if you have an irc log |
| 06:11.09 | brlcad | there were on a site of his, iirc |
| 06:11.50 | blast007 | jeff or saturos? |
| 06:12.05 | brlcad | depends which render you like more |
| 06:12.45 | blast007 | looks like the same model |
| 06:13.16 | brlcad | it is the same model, just different render setups |
| 06:13.22 | brlcad | ahh, here we go .. |
| 06:13.24 | brlcad | http://bzflag.saturos.de/bzart/bzart23.png |
| 06:14.26 | blast007 | right, I'd rather have the model itself :) |
| 06:14.36 | brlcad | 26 is kinda cool too |
| 06:16.46 | brlcad | jeff's render: http://bzflag.bz/tmp/256.png |
| 06:19.05 | brlcad | another nifty from triclops: http://bzflag.bz/tmp/triclops_tank_title.png |
| 06:19.43 | brlcad | more appropriate, though, might be a radar shot though, given the purpose of the site |
| 06:21.19 | blast007 | well, it's gonna be more than maps |
| 06:21.42 | blast007 | plugins are next |
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| 06:22.06 | blast007 | then a wiki-style help/support area |
| 06:26.58 | brlcad | hehe, fun with elastic fluids http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-8183380788103127428 |
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| 08:27.21 | bz69 | anybody here? |
| 08:27.55 | bz69 | anybody at all? |
| 08:27.59 | bz69 | nobody? |
| 08:28.08 | bz69 | ok then, BYE' |
| 08:56.37 | biggeruniverse | bye |
| 08:56.44 | biggeruniverse | why am I saying by |
| 08:56.46 | biggeruniverse | *bye |
| 08:56.51 | biggeruniverse | he's gone |
| 09:03.42 | L4m3r | brlcad, if you're awake, I think you have an opportunity to post a shameless plug for BRL-CAD in that Vista thread on BZBB |
| 09:04.56 | Flash | any body want to talk about possible cheats? |
| 09:57.06 | biggeruniverse | ok |
| 09:57.09 | biggeruniverse | sigh |
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| 12:48.59 | Destroyer | hi anyone here? |
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| 12:51.47 | RatOhome | good morning |
| 12:53.51 | RatOmeter | In case any "2 Castles" or other interested admins wander by, got a cheater report. Dude going by the callsigned "branded" was flying with no WG flag, going thru walls with no OO |
| 12:54.49 | RatOmeter | his IP address: 124.189.139.92 |
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| 12:57.45 | RatOmeter | Morninng, DB |
| 13:00.59 | CBG | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:01.08 | donny_baker | morning |
| 13:01.17 | CBG | ~donny_baker++ |
| 13:01.22 | donny_baker | ty |
| 13:01.33 | CBG | :) |
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| 13:45.00 | brlcad | heh "Bzflags" |
| 13:45.30 | brlcad | about as grating as burlcad |
| 13:45.54 | ts | I thought it is spell "BZFLag" |
| 13:46.00 | ts | spelled, even |
| 13:46.09 | RatOmeter | yeah. The article reads like he let his 9 year old do the writing too |
| 13:46.13 | brlcad | BZFlag |
| 13:46.47 | brlcad | hey, free press .. more power to Alan, thx Alan |
| 13:47.01 | ts | Though this single user campaign thing probably sounds like a good idea..a newbie tutorial ;) |
| 13:48.35 | SpazzyMcGee | "game and pretend to the world that he is me." I'm sure that's not proper grammar |
| 13:51.26 | RatOmeter | Hey, I like the newb tutorial idea... maybe some bots working their way through a script of sorts... instructing and demonstrating simultaneously |
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| 16:03.19 | CBG | ~Tropican8++ |
| 16:23.31 | SpazzyMcGee | and another |
| 16:23.32 | SpazzyMcGee | ~Tropican8++ |
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| 16:26.34 | CBG | ~Tropican8++ |
| 16:39.24 | cosmos | bzflags |
| 16:39.37 | cosmos | hahah, that article is classic engrish |
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| 17:13.32 | BRUISER | at hepcat they said that i have to identify myself because the username was registered |
| 17:13.40 | BRUISER | how do i do that |
| 17:13.57 | longhair | did you register it previously? |
| 17:14.19 | BRUISER | yes today in fact after not doing so for some time |
| 17:14.37 | BRUISER | as in only once which was today |
| 17:14.45 | longhair | then you use the command : /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <your password> |
| 17:14.46 | blast007 | put your username and password into the "callsign" and "password" boxes in the Join Game menu |
| 17:14.56 | blast007 | longhair: no, at hepcat :) |
| 17:15.12 | blast007 | he's registered on bzbb already |
| 17:15.21 | JeffM2501 | blast007, we probably should change "username" on bzbb to callsign so it matches the game. |
| 17:15.35 | JeffM2501 | wonder if we can do that in the language translation files |
| 17:15.37 | blast007 | easier to change the game ;) |
| 17:15.46 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:15.48 | BRUISER | thanks |
| 17:15.59 | JeffM2501 | we need monkeys :) |
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| 18:53.39 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (5 files): a posibly cleaner way of handling the lag for a screen shot with out forcing a pause ( screenshot pauses are instant, and conflict with an normal server side pause ). |
| 18:55.17 | JeffM2501 | hope that actualy works :) |
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| 18:59.22 | Erroneous | heh |
| 18:59.33 | Erroneous | what's it do? |
| 19:00.55 | JeffM2501 | basicly forces you to stop during the screen shot |
| 19:01.09 | JeffM2501 | and manyaly fixes the dt to be a short number |
| 19:01.21 | JeffM2501 | so you never get stuck in the bad physics code |
| 19:01.27 | JeffM2501 | all spaming F5 will do now is stop you |
| 19:01.53 | Erroneous | hm, interesting |
| 19:02.23 | Erroneous | that doesn't screw with the rest of the sim? |
| 19:02.28 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 19:02.32 | JeffM2501 | cus your stoped :) |
| 19:02.39 | Erroneous | shots aren't stopped though |
| 19:03.02 | JeffM2501 | agg |
| 19:03.03 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 19:03.10 | Erroneous | an artificial dt would cause shots on the client to desync from the server, no? |
| 19:03.13 | JeffM2501 | well they have precomputed shot strats right? |
| 19:03.16 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 19:03.22 | Erroneous | but it has to move it all |
| 19:03.23 | JeffM2501 | I don't change there sim |
| 19:03.28 | ts | Erroneous:lines of existing are interpolated - at least before the change |
| 19:03.28 | JeffM2501 | I just do an update on just the player tank |
| 19:03.34 | JeffM2501 | not the entire world |
| 19:03.37 | ts | existing shots I mean |
| 19:03.43 | JeffM2501 | but that's why it needs testing |
| 19:03.55 | Erroneous | ahh, so you just screw with the player's own sim :) |
| 19:04.07 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:04.09 | Erroneous | mkay, might work :) |
| 19:04.15 | JeffM2501 | yeah it may |
| 19:04.25 | JeffM2501 | and I send out a player update |
| 19:05.02 | Erroneous | probably want to verify that shots interact correctly with the player during the screenshotting time |
| 19:05.03 | ts | First test run |
| 19:05.06 | ts | It works |
| 19:05.19 | ts | but the physics code is still invoked |
| 19:05.24 | JeffM2501 | yeah it will be |
| 19:05.30 | JeffM2501 | but at a more valid DT |
| 19:05.31 | ts | super jumps, walk through walls etc still working |
| 19:05.39 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 19:05.42 | JeffM2501 | well that sucks |
| 19:05.53 | JeffM2501 | probably should set a local only pause too |
| 19:06.00 | JeffM2501 | well we'll work it out |
| 19:06.18 | ts | The pause approach before allowed those movements, too for me |
| 19:06.26 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 19:06.37 | JeffM2501 | well the point was to stop walking thru walls |
| 19:06.45 | JeffM2501 | I'll have to look into it more |
| 19:07.10 | Erroneous | my thought was to run the sim in the background at an artifically increased rate of time to compensate (i.e. small-enough dt, but a tighter loop) |
| 19:07.12 | JeffM2501 | I was thinking if it didn't see the big DT and had a vel vec of 0, normal physics would prevent that |
| 19:07.27 | ts | Is there someone who really understands that physics code anyway? |
| 19:07.35 | JeffM2501 | trepan and crs |
| 19:07.42 | JeffM2501 | and Odin |
| 19:08.05 | Erroneous | MAC made a bunch of changes to it back in the day, did he not? |
| 19:08.06 | ts | Should be ripped out and re-implemented in a refresh rate independent way |
| 19:08.18 | JeffM2501 | lots of things "should" be done :) |
| 19:09.02 | ts | Some things are rather needed for the gameplay than others |
| 19:11.12 | JeffM2501 | yup |
| 19:11.47 | AAA_awright | I was wondering, could we change all instances of "username" to "callsign" on the BZFlag website? Just to keep things constistent... |
| 19:11.47 | JeffM2501 | yup |
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| 19:22.19 | AAA_awright | and mabye we could upgrade to XHTML while we are at it :p |
| 19:22.43 | Chestal | XHTML 2 ;-) |
| 19:32.52 | AAA_awright | I was adding the ability to redirect with a callsign to weblogin.php, should I go ahead and call everything a callsign? Right now, it is username. |
| 19:33.41 | AAA_awright | So you could submit your callsign from another website, then enter your password at weblogin.php... |
| 19:44.45 | ts | JeffM2501: Probably it is best just to send a MsgScreenshot as the problem is systemic in the physics code |
| 19:53.48 | brlcad | JeffM2501: I can also use the side-effect of the halt to get into interesting situations when in the air now too |
| 19:54.28 | brlcad | that's why I didn't originally zero the vel (unless I misunderstand the change) |
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| 20:15.28 | bz55 | :o |
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| 20:24.38 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 20:27.27 | JeffM2501 | wonder if it's ok to not zero the vel, but just make it only do a small DT update, and then send out the timestamped pos. |
| 20:27.44 | JeffM2501 | still slow you down in the air |
| 20:27.47 | JeffM2501 | oh well |
| 20:28.13 | Chestal | what part of taking the screenshot takes so long? the compression? |
| 20:28.27 | JeffM2501 | geting the info from GL |
| 20:28.34 | Chestal | hmm, that's bad |
| 20:28.43 | JeffM2501 | gl dosn't have good frame buffer access |
| 20:28.50 | JeffM2501 | we realy should render to a texture, that'd be faster |
| 20:28.51 | Chestal | no easy way to not do it in one big step then I guess |
| 20:29.35 | JeffM2501 | best way is to fix the sim code to not let the bad things happen on a huge DT |
| 20:29.35 | Chestal | of course, there can be other reasons for a big dt |
| 20:29.40 | Chestal | yes |
| 20:29.41 | JeffM2501 | as screenshot isn't the only way |
| 20:29.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:30.12 | Chestal | if (dt > 0.2) exit(-1); ;-) |
| 20:30.19 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:30.57 | JeffM2501 | or just split the DT up |
| 20:31.17 | JeffM2501 | I should try that real quick |
| 20:32.14 | Chestal | hmm, this sounds vaguely familiar |
| 20:32.56 | JeffM2501 | it should |
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| 20:45.27 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (BaseLocalPlayer.cxx clientCommands.cxx): don't set vels to 0 on screenshot, just do more then one sim loop to clear out the big DT |
| 20:45.40 | JeffM2501 | try that |
| 20:46.04 | Erroneous | wow, that was fast |
| 20:46.17 | JeffM2501 | just a little loop around the existing code |
| 20:46.28 | JeffM2501 | naw |
| 20:47.49 | JeffM2501 | there may need to be another place I put that loop, I may be too low |
| 20:47.51 | JeffM2501 | but I dunno |
| 20:54.22 | JBdiGriz | Hooray for quality development testing! |
| 20:54.44 | JeffM2501 | not my dept :) |
| 20:54.57 | JBdiGriz | You're not a developer? ;-) |
| 20:55.35 | JeffM2501 | never said I was ;) |
| 20:56.03 | JBdiGriz | Do you waddle like a duck? :) |
| 20:56.13 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 20:56.23 | JBdiGriz | I guess you're not a duck. |
| 20:57.08 | JeffM2501 | no sir. I am a meat popsicle |
| 20:57.17 | JBdiGriz | :-D |
| 20:57.54 | JeffM2501 | and I'm hoping the person who asked me to make the changes will test it ;) |
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| 21:03.14 | ts | I will, just need some minutes finishing watching the movie :p |
| 21:03.25 | JeffM2501 | no rush, it's dev |
| 21:04.49 | ts | Oh, I am sure it is so much dev that it is hardly tested |
| 21:06.41 | ts | JeffM2501: Works fine now |
| 21:06.50 | JeffM2501 | can you go thru walls? |
| 21:06.56 | ts | No more super jump, no drive through walls |
| 21:07.05 | JeffM2501 | whoot |
| 21:07.15 | ts | Just a little odd jitter |
| 21:07.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah it'll take it a smidge of time to do the loop |
| 21:07.36 | ts | It jitters a bit after the screenshot is taken..but not much |
| 21:07.51 | ts | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 21:08.01 | ts | Great work :) |
| 21:09.03 | AAA_awright | ~JeffM2501 |
| 21:09.04 | ibot | well, jeffm2501 is only a man in a silly red sheet |
| 21:09.07 | ts | I am testing it now with lower framerates 'cause those also raise the dt |
| 21:09.13 | AAA_awright | ... |
| 21:09.25 | AAA_awright | ~AAA_awright |
| 21:09.34 | AAA_awright | oh |
| 21:10.04 | AAA_awright | ~karma JeffM2501 |
| 21:10.04 | ibot | jeffm2501 has karma of 351 |
| 21:10.13 | AAA_awright | (!) |
| 21:15.31 | ts | JeffM2501: We're having a side effect now |
| 21:16.18 | ts | The jumps for example are incredible long with lower FPS..the flying curve is correct, just the players are longer in the air |
| 21:18.23 | ts | "slow motion jumps" |
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| 21:21.28 | icyicishice-like | hello |
| 21:21.55 | icyicishice-like | bzflag is cool |
| 21:22.20 | icyicishice-like | #iceland |
| 21:28.00 | donny_baker | hardware question:choice between GeForce 7600 or ATI x1650, which would you choose |
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| 21:57.59 | JeffM2501 | how low of a FPS ts? |
| 22:00.48 | JeffM2501 | ahh he left |
| 22:01.14 | JeffM2501 | so we know how big of a chunk the sim can deal with before it geeks? |
| 22:01.32 | Erroneous | nope |
| 22:01.36 | Erroneous | research required ;) |
| 22:01.43 | JeffM2501 | or I could just fix this horible bug in it |
| 22:01.48 | Erroneous | or that |
| 22:01.56 | JeffM2501 | doneDT -= dtLimit; |
| 22:01.56 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.03 | Erroneous | heh! |
| 22:02.35 | Erroneous | negative time done? |
| 22:02.35 | JeffM2501 | that's what's doin the jitter then |
| 22:02.43 | JeffM2501 | that will make it stop right then |
| 22:02.46 | Erroneous | that ought to screw something up :) |
| 22:02.49 | Erroneous | yup |
| 22:03.04 | JeffM2501 | it won't actualy DO the neg dt in sim, just stop it sooner then it should |
| 22:03.21 | JeffM2501 | hence the sutter |
| 22:03.22 | Erroneous | aw, we ought to make it go backwards with negative dt :) |
| 22:03.27 | JeffM2501 | this should fix the slow mo too |
| 22:03.36 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/BaseLocalPlayer.cxx: =- ~= -= |
| 22:03.50 | Erroneous | could do the nintendoesque back-and-forth replays then :) |
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| 22:04.30 | purple_cow | what kind of a commit message is that? |
| 22:04.31 | Denwil | Anyone here? |
| 22:04.39 | Denwil | Thats admin or sumthing |
| 22:04.45 | JeffM2501 | I should have done != ! ~= ;) |
| 22:04.49 | JeffM2501 | admin of what? |
| 22:04.55 | Erroneous | purple_cow: a 7-character one ;) |
| 22:04.56 | Denwil | Server or sumthing |
| 22:05.00 | JeffM2501 | what server? |
| 22:05.03 | JeffM2501 | there are many |
| 22:05.03 | Erroneous | which server? |
| 22:05.05 | JeffM2501 | over 200 |
| 22:05.12 | Denwil | wait 2 sec, I find it |
| 22:05.12 | Erroneous | what he said |
| 22:05.28 | Denwil | in-league.bzflag something |
| 22:05.36 | Denwil | Missile war 4 teams |
| 22:05.56 | Denwil | Missile war 4 teams |
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| 22:06.30 | Denwil2 | Sry bout that, left by mistake |
| 22:06.58 | spldart | missile war seems to be having lots of bad players lately |
| 22:07.03 | Erroneous | wasn't someone complaining that that server was underadmined yesterday too? |
| 22:07.04 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 22:07.07 | JeffM2501 | who owns it? |
| 22:07.16 | Denwil2 | No idea, but the admin banned me |
| 22:07.24 | Denwil2 | and I just got the game today and he called me acheat |
| 22:07.37 | Erroneous | where did you get it? |
| 22:07.43 | Denwil2 | The homepage |
| 22:07.49 | Denwil2 | oficcial |
| 22:08.05 | Denwil2 | I registred and so long before I actually started playing |
| 22:08.47 | Denwil2 | I got on the server earlier today, no complains nothing. wall went perfect I get on again says connection refused reason "cheat" |
| 22:08.59 | Erroneous | it's run by 1st Consul, you'll need to talk to him |
| 22:09.18 | Denwil2 | kk |
| 22:09.21 | Erroneous | you may have gotten caught in someone else's rangeban |
| 22:09.27 | Denwil2 | I think so |
| 22:09.36 | Erroneous | they can check that |
| 22:09.56 | Denwil2 | So how do I do that, and if that isnt the case,how to proceede? |
| 22:09.58 | JeffM2501 | send them a private message via the fourms and they can work it out |
| 22:10.22 | Erroneous | yeah, pm him and work it out from there |
| 22:10.44 | Erroneous | we can't do anything about bans except get you in contact with the server owner |
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| 22:11.08 | Denwil2 | kk, I'll try to contact him |
| 22:11.38 | randomparticle | slow motion replays would be nice |
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| 22:14.00 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, well if the old code worked, then that means that 0.1 dt dosn't let you go thru stuff :) |
| 22:15.34 | Erroneous | just not under ordinary circumstances ;) |
| 22:15.53 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:16.04 | Erroneous | I seem to recall a demonstration long ago that a lot of fairly thin walls could be lagged through by spinjumping with narrow |
| 22:16.28 | JeffM2501 | would not suprise me |
| 22:16.43 | Erroneous | but that's a pretty strange circumstance |
| 22:17.25 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/BaseLocalPlayer.cxx: why use 2 vars when 1 will do |
| 22:17.31 | JeffM2501 | so we hook parasolid up to BZ, extrude a sold that represents the path of the tank thru space, union it with the world, and see if we have any faces left. |
| 22:17.35 | Erroneous | when 2 means that the code is more readable ;) |
| 22:17.39 | Erroneous | hahaha |
| 22:17.41 | JeffM2501 | it wasn't |
| 22:18.02 | JeffM2501 | had fullDT and doneDT, fullDT was only ever used to init doneDT |
| 22:18.08 | Erroneous | see, that would make our physics slow :) |
| 22:18.09 | Denwil2 | :( I wanna play |
| 22:18.16 | Erroneous | play on another server |
| 22:18.18 | JeffM2501 | Denwil2, pick another server |
| 22:18.22 | Denwil2 | Aint fun :) |
| 22:18.25 | Denwil2 | I like that one |
| 22:18.30 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, slow but accurate :) |
| 22:18.53 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: true...but we don't really need 1/10000 unit accuracy in bz :) |
| 22:19.02 | Denwil2 | Hope the Allmighty Cons will help me :) |
| 22:19.08 | Denwil2 | cu around maybe :) |
| 22:19.14 | Erroneous | we use -ffast-math fergunnessake |
| 22:19.20 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:19.49 | JeffM2501 | we could probably do an extruded box prety fast |
| 22:20.27 | Erroneous | probably] |
| 22:20.51 | Erroneous | but, like in the case of a spinjump, a box wouldn't be quite good enough |
| 22:21.01 | JeffM2501 | losenge :) |
| 22:21.06 | Erroneous | hehe :) |
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| 22:59.41 | randomparticle | a small opengl problem: most visible objects don't have sharp edges - they're somewhat rounded. so how does one deal with the lighting at such edges in opengl? |
| 23:00.25 | randomparticle | not very well described. i can make it more precise if you wish |
| 23:06.36 | CBG | hey randomparticle |
| 23:06.40 | randomparticle | hi cbg |
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