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00:07.35sniper1234llo
00:08.05AAA_awright...okay
00:08.14bradheh
00:18.48spldartIT'S FIXED!!!!!!!!!
00:19.38spldartusing the salvagable deb install to backup hda1,2,3,4,5 to other rigs on the lan... gotta reinstall from scratch though
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00:42.36Brezellhi. How can I register my nick on bzflag?
00:42.45spldartbzbb
00:42.52BrezellJust in the forum?
00:42.56blast007yup
00:42.59Brezellok, thanks
00:43.01spldartmake an account for the forum and it will translate to a login
00:43.07Brezellah, i c
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00:56.40spldartJust cuz I've been bishing about it all day... http://spldart.opencombat.net:92/fixdually.htm wiring not cleaned back up yet and I still have to reinstall everything :(
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01:17.49spldartbzbb abuse?
01:18.02JeffM2501mostly just children who don't get it
01:19.53JeffM2501no
01:20.00CBGYay for Power Abuse! :D
01:20.01spldartinteresting
01:20.04JeffM2501happens before when they get off school
01:20.15spldartthat makes sense
01:20.21CBGdid I go too far?
01:20.27spldart?
01:20.28JeffM2501not if that's what you want
01:20.56CBGsomewhat defeats the purpose...
01:20.58spldartI've prolly banned a couple dozen or more at my server over the last 20 months
01:21.09CBGThat's all?
01:21.15JeffM2501not if you have a huge whitelist :)
01:21.25spldartmaybe 3 doz... that and the masterbanlist stuff
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01:22.16spldartYah gotta realize... I'm doin good to have 12 to 15 players at one time on my servers
01:22.18JeffM2501how has the "unknown" spam been lately?
01:22.36A-Delusionunknown
01:22.38spldartI've not heard much about it?
01:22.43CBGdidn't hear of any more since that one night
01:22.45spldartnot had a problem either
01:22.52JeffM2501cool
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01:43.14GnurduxThumper_, what bugs in my plugins hvae you guys found?
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02:49.02Teppicspammer alert.......
02:51.20L4m3ralready cleaning it up
02:51.42spldarthehe
02:52.02L4m3rdamn necro-posting bots
02:53.08L4m3ron a more positive note, I haven't noticed nearly as much lately... but that may just be because someone else is cleaning them up before I wake up ;)
02:53.08Teppiclol, probably
02:58.25blast007L4m3r: no, there's just been less of it
02:59.39L4m3rthat's good. nice work :P
03:05.21cosmosok
03:05.28cosmosincest video on the ducati league discussion
03:05.36cosmoshttp://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=9773
03:05.36L4m3rwtf
03:05.50L4m3rdamn, missed one
03:06.21cosmosoh i thought duc league was just taking on a new direction
03:06.26cosmosheh
03:08.15Thumper_Spamitor
03:10.57L4m3rack! another one!
03:15.37bryjenguests posting in General Map Making Discussions ?
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03:19.00blast007no, I think it was a deleted user, but we'll see
03:19.12blast007got rid of it now
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03:47.36Teppic~seen ducatiwannabe
03:47.55ibotducatiwannabe <n=root@222.98.62.33> was last seen on IRC in channel #kierra, 352d 9h 47m 53s ago, saying: 'bitch'.
03:48.04blast007eeek
03:48.15inchwormkinda rough
03:48.21Teppiclol
03:48.59tannerldlol
03:49.00inchwormwhat..that was almost exactly last christmas
03:49.14TeppicNo, he may have been asked if it was a boy or girl dog.
03:49.30inchwormyah, lack of context, but still
03:50.35TeppicPerhaps ' ducatiwannabe <n=root@222.98.62.33> was last seen in the sights of kierra's Mp5' would be more appropriate
03:50.47inchwormhehe, yah
03:52.20inchwormbah
03:52.25inchwormbah humbug
03:52.35tannerld:o
03:52.55inchwormaccess in no rooty tooty
03:53.07inchwormand a quota'd homespace
03:54.21TeppicHow big a quota?
03:54.27inchworm200mg
03:54.31inchworm200 mb
03:54.31Teppichmm...
03:54.44inchwormand i'me using about 50 right now i think
03:55.03inchwormmake that 150
03:55.06inchwormhehe
03:55.16Teppic<PROTECTED>
03:55.17Teppic<PROTECTED>
03:55.17Teppic<PROTECTED>
03:55.27inchwormyah, it's solaris box
03:55.38Teppic3.5 meg, not too bad, but thats bzipped.
03:55.55TeppicYeah, but for package size......
03:56.01inchwormyah, and after compile
03:56.17inchwormi had an experince that things grow massivly during compile
03:56.17TeppicThat is compiled
03:56.23inchwormhmm
03:57.00inchwormi'll give it a twirl and see if i can get it to compile in my homespace
03:57.44Teppic16M uncompressed.
03:58.36inchwormhmm wonder if i have the dependencies for compile from source
03:59.14TeppicI'll just check them for you......
03:59.14inchwormhmm sol10 binaries
03:59.25inchwormi think i'm on sol8 or 9
04:00.12TeppicWhat support do you need, there are quite afew deps, but they are all support related, so can be ignored if unneeded
04:00.46inchwormi want text and gifs
04:00.51inchwormnothing else right now
04:01.02inchwormbasically i'm just annoting images on the fly
04:01.08inchwormannotating
04:01.10inchworm*
04:01.55inchwormand it's a just for fun project i thought i could wipe up in a couple hours (my estimates are always too small by several factors)
04:02.13TeppicI'd guess at :- X sed libtool , the rest seems unnneded for what you want.
04:02.25inchwormwhy X ?
04:02.47TeppicErm, .....
04:02.59inchwormi'm firing it off from a web browers
04:03.02inchwormhmm
04:03.16inchwormer more accuratly a CGI script
04:03.22TeppicSorry , thats dependant on needs too, so no X, just sed and libtool
04:03.32inchwormmay this thing has it
04:03.39inchworm*maybe
04:03.58inchwormsun blade 1000 for a web server
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04:04.17inchwormkinda weak :-/  i wanted a 12k at least
04:04.38inchwormo well, keeps tuiton down i guess :)
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04:08.35JeffM2501must... not ... throw.. macintosh!!!!
04:08.50inchwormJeffM2501 ?!
04:09.09JeffM2501apple's dhcp client sucks and keeps jacking my router
04:09.25L4m3rbut is it pretty?
04:09.30JeffM2501no
04:09.32inchwormare you sure it is the client and not the router?
04:09.33L4m3r*cough*
04:09.37JeffM2501yeah
04:09.43inchwormbummer then
04:09.44JeffM2501tried more then one router
04:09.55JeffM2501keeps trying to set it's IP to the same IP as the router
04:10.05inchwormhehe
04:10.09L4m3rnice
04:10.16blast007lol
04:10.21JeffM2501perantly we have the same problem at work
04:10.29JeffM2501so static it goes
04:10.40inchwormwell at least it's consistent
04:11.00inchwormok, just blew my quota
04:11.28inchworm:-/
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04:11.37master_tuxhi all
04:11.44inchwormhi master_tux
04:12.20inchwormyou wouldn't have web space for a poor college student that needs perl:CGI and imagemagik would you
04:12.28inchworm:)
04:12.35spldarthehe
04:12.59master_tuxsorry, my router witholds me of allowing anything to connect :(
04:13.15inchwormi understand, mine is the same
04:14.18inchworm*sigh* silly little quota, silly little webserver, silly little me
04:14.36L4m3rjust buy some webhosting... it's cheap
04:15.02master_tuxyea, like 1,500 bucks a month
04:15.06inchwormread "cheap, poor, college student that likes to mooch free stuff" :)
04:15.26inchwormi could pay like 5 bucks a month more and get a static IP
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04:15.38master_tuxstatic ips are expensive...
04:16.02SilverFoxget a cable modem.  Nearly as good as a static.
04:16.13inchwormlive to far out of town
04:16.22inchwormi'm lucky to get the radio broadband i have
04:16.26SilverFoxtoo bad.
04:16.31SilverFoxdyndns.org then.
04:16.35blast007inchworm: I pay $30/year for my shared hosting
04:16.37master_tux0_o I have optimum cable, bow to me!
04:16.44inchwormheh
04:16.56inchwormblast007: cool, i'll have to look at that
04:16.57blast007only 75MB/3GB though
04:17.08inchwormhmm
04:17.13SilverFoxwho do you use blast?
04:17.18inchwormnot bad for the price i guess
04:17.22blast007A Small Orange
04:17.26master_tuxCan blender export to .bzw?
04:17.33blast007well, at last for now
04:17.44blast007I'll be migrating it to my dedicated server soon
04:18.09SilverFox75 MB storage, 3 Gig throughput per month?
04:18.12blast007(either that, or I'll leave it there until next year, since it's already paid for)
04:18.16blast007yeah
04:18.22inchworm75 meg would be plenty. my perl script is under 100 lines
04:18.26SilverFoxthat seems very reasonable.
04:18.31master_tuxI steal my cable connection from the local plumbing company...
04:18.50blast007excellent support to
04:19.00blast007when I emailed them, I had a response within the hour
04:19.16master_tuxtech support sucks
04:19.19blast007oh, and it's $25/year it seems
04:19.37master_tuxFor shame!
04:19.39SilverFox$25/14 months.
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04:19.49Teppicinchworm , you can have some of my companies webspace if you want, I stop trading at the end of the year
04:19.51Philbrick0340hey everyone
04:19.53SilverFoxno?
04:20.06master_tuxhi phil
04:20.12SilverFoxTeppic, trading?
04:20.37TeppicClose the company down
04:20.55SilverFoxah.  Does that mean the space/servers will disappear?
04:21.10inchwormTeppic: thanks, this is an embarssingly small christmas ecard kinda thing i am just having fun with
04:21.12TeppicNah, it's paid up till late june
04:21.54TeppicAnd 'most' of the servers are here anyhow
04:22.14master_tuxcan blender export to .bzw?
04:22.27Philbrick0340hey inchworm
04:22.30inchwormmaster_tux: i believe it can...
04:22.34Philbrick0340have you been on here all day?
04:22.47inchwormPhilbrick0340: virtually, yes, physically, no
04:22.56Philbrick0340hahahaha nicee
04:23.05master_tuxmentally, helllz yea
04:23.40inchwormmaster_tux: it might take a plugin of some sort, never done it, only remeber someone else here asked and was told that it did
04:23.47Philbrick0340inchworm are you admin for servers or whar do you do?
04:23.57master_tuxsay, what ever happened to EFNet?
04:24.18inchwormPhilbrick0340: i'm an admin on a couple servers, and i'm just hanging here because, i dunno anymore
04:24.36Philbrick0340hahahh niceee
04:24.45Philbrick0340i thinnk its kinda fun here
04:25.10master_tuxinch, your client doesnt respond to CTCP requests?
04:25.28inchwormmaster_tux: i don't know, it should (irssi)
04:25.35master_tuxlinux?
04:25.44inchwormand it isn't behind anything, yah suse10.1 i think
04:25.53Philbrick0340well i just stopped by to see if brlcad was back yet
04:25.54inchwormit's a university machine i log into
04:25.57Philbrick0340but hes not
04:25.57master_tuxmeh
04:26.21master_tux<< Slackware 11.0
04:26.24master_tuxw00t w00t
04:26.26Philbrick0340later guys
04:26.29master_tuxcya
04:26.41inchwormlater Phil
04:26.55inchwormi had slack 10 at one point, not too bad
04:27.13master_tuxyea, 11 comes with KDE though, not gnome
04:27.21inchwormso did 10 i think
04:27.27inchwormbut i don't remember
04:28.29master_tuxThe vaccum guy?
04:28.33master_tux0_O
04:28.48inchwormJ. Edgar Hoover :)
04:28.50inchwormnot
04:28.52inchworm:)
04:29.05master_tuxHoover the first man on the moon?
04:29.12inchwormheh
04:29.25master_tuxJapenese executive?
04:29.28inchwormnice one Teppic
04:29.40master_tuxPork fry rie?
04:29.41TeppicOH, FFS, I've got ANOTHER 5 mod points, now I feel compelled to read below +5 funny. Damn thats 30points in 3 weeks.
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04:30.03inchwormhead of the FBI, later became president, he used the power of the FBI in not always good ways
04:31.33inchwormo wells, about time for me to wrap it up
04:31.41master_tux0_o
04:31.52inchwormwhat master_tux ?
04:31.57master_tuxTheres a giant animal standing outside my bathroom door.
04:32.24inchwormtell bullwinckly to say hi to rocky
04:32.43master_tuxNah, its just my mom.
04:32.47inchwormone day i get moose and squirel!
04:33.15master_tuxbullwinkel was an elf.
04:33.43SilverFoxbullwinkle was a moose.
04:33.43inchwormya don't say
04:33.55inchwormi was sure he was a moose
04:34.05master_tuxbullwinkle shines Mr. Hoover's shoes. He's an elf.
04:34.17SilverFoxMy dad knew the guy who authored that cartoon.
04:34.34master_tuxI wrote it.
04:34.36SilverFoxRocky & Bullwinkle.
04:34.43master_tuxThats me.
04:34.50SilverFoxyour a cartoon?
04:34.55master_tuxNo.
04:35.03master_tuxI am the author of that cartoon.
04:35.21SilverFoxThe author died a few years ago.
04:35.32master_tuxI've come back from the dead.
04:35.38SilverFoxHe was missing a leg.
04:35.39TeppicSilverFox , what ya gonna do with chillbox, i have the (non pouting kind) lips you wanted.
04:35.51SilverFoxOr was.
04:36.01SilverFoxHe was also on the recovery mission for Apollo 13.
04:36.03master_tuxAmazing what necrophelia can do to a dead mans heart.
04:36.25Teppicmaster_tux you are one sick individual.
04:36.33SilverFoxhe's also on my ignore list.
04:36.42SilverFoxTeppic, sure, let me finish this post on the SC forum.
04:37.32master_tuxWhat happened to EFNet.
04:38.06blast007master_tux: why do we care?
04:38.24master_tuxBecause oranges are in danger.
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04:41.39master_tuxDemonic death of destruction and darkness and death of decay and decimation and death.
04:42.58SilverFoxk, done Teppic.
04:43.07SilverFoxblast007, do as I do, /ignore master_tux
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04:44.52inchwormTeppic: thanks for the web space offer, I'm going to turn it down right now because I think i would waste you time setting it up for less than 30KB of stuff
04:45.01TeppicKK
04:46.45spldarto...k...
04:48.23blast007for 30KB, can't you find a free host?  :/
04:48.46inchwormi have free web host space already, my problem is that the webserver doesn't have imagemagic
04:48.57inchwormand my little script needs that
04:49.19inchwormand it just fiddleing anyway, i'll approach it from a different angle and learn something new
04:50.08inchwormi could make it work if i had admin on the box, had more quota space, or was willing to remove stuff from my current homespace
04:51.17inchwormmaybe i'll just install my own version of imagemagic in /tmp for now... that'd work and make me friends with the sys admin ;)
04:53.18inchwormhmm  i could compile in /tmp and then install the binaries to my homespace
04:53.39inchwormi might have room for the binaries by themselves
04:54.08inchwormanywho, i'll quite rambling, goodnight folks
04:54.59spldartnighty night inch
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05:04.58blast007:/
05:04.58L4m3rboom
05:04.58Legoguysomeone shot a bolt at the router
05:04.58spldartthat's been happening more often lately hasn't it :-(
05:04.58L4m3rSomeone Geno'd feenode!
05:04.58Legoguylmao
05:04.58Legoguythere goes the blue team
05:04.59L4m3rlol
05:04.59blast007hehe
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05:22.20SilverFoxrofl
05:22.32SilverFox<--- delayed reaction
05:25.02spldartAs I sit here cracking open assorted nuts with vice-grips
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15:19.03Philbrick0340hey everyone
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15:21.48bz45hello all
15:23.14bz45what meen "Enter the name of this game: *"  here http://my.bzflag.org/bb/profile.php?mode=register&agreed=true ?
15:32.14PuMpErNiCkLeLooks like an anti-script feature.
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15:34.11zee395hi
15:34.23zee395fg
15:34.27zee395é
15:34.32bz45what meen "Enter the name of this game: *"  here http://my.bzflag.org/bb/profile.php?mode=register&agreed=true ?
15:34.58bradwhat is the name of the game
15:35.16bz45i don`t  know
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15:35.31bz45for ex ?
15:35.32bradthen why are you registering
15:35.57bz45please give me an ex
15:35.58zee395somebody knows how to change the reloading time for shots
15:36.13brad"quake3" is an example :)
15:36.22bradbut that's just a game in general
15:36.39bradyour mission is to find the name of the game you are signing up for
15:37.12bz45if i put there "bzflag", don`t let me to register
15:37.33bradit might be case sensitive
15:37.47bz45ok
15:37.49bz45tnx
15:43.09blast007Fratello: did you get registered?
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16:19.27shaunotthi
16:19.46shaunottcan anybody tell me how to apply a texture to a pyramid
16:20.05shaunottive done:
16:20.23shaunottmaterial name xxxx texture xxxx end
16:20.34shaunotthow do i apply it to a pyramid?
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16:23.06blast007shaunott: are you using a meshpyr?
16:23.32shaunottive created it using bzedit
16:23.39blast007then that's a no
16:23.44shaunottand it just says pyramid
16:23.59blast007can't put a texture on a regular pyramid
16:24.04blast007afaik
16:24.15shaunottok, can i change the pryramid to a meshpry?
16:24.36blast007yup, a meshpyr
16:24.42shaunottim trying to make a christmas tree :)
16:25.04blast007I'm not sure of the exact syntax for applying the material
16:25.20blast007not seeing it in the web-based man page either, but that's been known to cut things out
16:25.32shaunottcan i just change pyramid to meshpyr
16:25.40shaunottand leave the scale etc
16:30.24bradhttp://bzflag.org/wiki/MapMaking
16:30.35shaunottim on it now
16:30.51bradoh
16:31.23shaunotti dont understand meshpyr
16:32.19blast007shaunott: you can try creating a simple map with one pyramid, one meshpyr, and a material
16:32.22blast007then play around with them
16:32.46shaunottit worked!
16:32.51blast007cool
16:33.17shaunottchanged pryramid to meshpyr and added a matrerf line
16:33.22shaunottthanks everyone
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17:30.43spldartall right... how did I do it... there was a pop up menu in bzadmin... I bumped the keyboard and got a cool menu that alllowed me to dol all kinds of things real easy
17:31.13spldartI've been /command'ing all this time >:-(>
17:31.18AAA_awrightHm. Tab?
17:33.33spldartsomething more than that
17:33.42spldartpoop... don't know what I did
17:33.43AAA_awright"Ctrl-U"
17:33.58spldartno working for me
17:34.25spldartit was so kew too
17:35.17AAA_awrightF2!
17:35.23AAA_awrightNo
17:35.55spldartI already F'd everythjing
17:35.57spldartwait
17:35.59spldartthat didn't sound right
17:36.26AAA_awrightlol
17:37.10SportChickan 77
17:38.25spldart"?
17:39.50AAA_awrightIt is possible to bring up a menu...
17:39.53AAA_awrightbut _how_
17:42.58spldartThe top portion of the terminal blanked out with a centered menu... menu was layered with submenu's in which you could get player info's or view /set ings etc
17:43.03spldarttwas very kew
17:43.20inchwormit's F2 for me
17:43.22inchwormin bzadmin
17:43.32spldartah
17:43.36inchwormyour milage shouldn't vary
17:43.45spldartI think I figured something out
17:43.48inchwormcool
17:44.15inchwormi also figured something out, but it wasn't good for my scripting
17:45.01spldartI'm locking it up by goin to message filter...
17:45.26spldartI never knew that menu existed.. I'm icy hot stunted
17:48.12inchwormhehe
17:53.26AAA_awrightI still cannot bring it up...
17:54.03AAA_awrightAnything special, becides F2?
17:56.36inchwormbtw, the menu is a little funky IMO, hit f2 to get it, hit f2 again to move focus to the chat, hit f2 yet again to stay in chat and remove the menu
17:56.52inchwormAAA_awright: i don't know of anything
17:56.59inchwormlook around on the forums?
17:57.34AAA_awrightThere is only one post I can find, it is about using it on OS X, not my problem
17:58.32inchwormhmm, dunno, never used it remotely, but i wouldn't think it would be a problem
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18:03.33spldarthhehh
18:04.43AAA_awrighthmmmm
18:04.51bradI got it working in putty..
18:05.04bradyou need to change something though
18:05.10CBGhmm
18:05.31bradgo to putty settings
18:05.42bradTerminal->Keyboard
18:06.02brad"The function keys and keypad"
18:06.24bradchoose ....
18:06.39brad"Xterm R6"
18:06.48bradand that should make it work :P
18:06.58AAA_awrightIt works :D
18:07.00blast007AAA_awright: also, it's only for the curses based bzadmin
18:07.03blast007oh  :)
18:07.09AAA_awrightthanks
18:07.12bradnp
18:07.51blast007suppose it depends on the linux system
18:08.00blast007I could use the defaults on my slackware system
18:08.10blast007but I had to change it for debian
18:08.28bradyep
18:08.37blast007using Xterm R6 for debian
18:20.28spldartwhat did you have to change for deb?
18:21.06spldartI'm using deb sarge, xterm and libncurses
18:23.46blast007I had to set PuTTY to Xterm R6 mode
18:24.03spldartoh oh
18:24.06spldartmy bad
18:24.54spldartCan I bug compy geeks for a bit of OT advice?
18:25.27inchworm?
18:25.38AAA_awrighto.o
18:25.52spldartGetting ready to reinstall dual proccessor rig I've been fixing on all week
18:26.00inchwormcool
18:27.14spldartOld HDD partitions were hda1 137 gig ntfs for xp, hda2 100 gig ntfs for storage, hda3 20 gig fat 32 for windows and linux to be able to write to and hda4 was ext3 for debian.. about 50 gig
18:28.29spldartI'm considering shrinking down hda1 to 20 gig ntfs for windows, hda2 ext3 at about 30 gig for linux, hda3 huge ntfs for storage and hda4 20 gig fat32 again for both to write too? thoughts?
18:28.30inchwormseems semi-rational
18:28.50inchwormseems reasonable
18:29.05spldartI don't installmuch on windows... Linux is getting used more and more
18:29.37spldartYou think that would be an improvment? I think it prolly would..
18:29.59inchwormdepending on what you put on windows, yes
18:30.15spldartBTW this is is additoion to an array raid that I used for fast video editing work... 500 gig array
18:30.17inchwormi found that 20 gig is a little small for an OS
18:30.34inchworman associated stuff that accumulates
18:30.47inchwormthe raid is usable by both?
18:31.09spldartI've found I'm pretty good at keeping installs cleaned up and the fact I'm using linux more and more is contributing further to that effect... but
18:31.16spldart30 gig might be a good idea?
18:31.21spldartinstead of 20
18:31.34inchwormi think so, just so you have some head room for largish temporary files
18:32.03spldartbtw the other advantage was keeping both os's grouped towards the beginning of the drive for faster access times
18:32.06inchwormi'm running gentoo inside a 30 gb partition and i feel cramped right now
18:32.19Birdieblast007: you did so good job on removing the spam and now KAIRE shows up:)
18:32.22spldartyes but if gentoo had a large data partition too?
18:32.38spldartwould you still be cramped?
18:32.45inchwormit would be fine if /home was mounted on a data partiiton
18:33.11inchwormbut note that storing things on FAT loses the permission bits
18:33.38spldarttrue.... I had sacrificed that to allow both os's to RW to a common partition
18:33.51spldartntfs support for linux being what it is
18:34.01inchwormagreed on that, i find that a problem as well
18:34.05spldartbut otherwise
18:34.34inchwormseems like a decent setup
18:34.39blast007Birdie: oh boy, looks like fun
18:34.46spldartthanks for bouncing the thoughts around.. I'll prolly go 30 win, 30 deb, 200+datantfs, 20datafat
18:35.04inchwormwhy the 200 ntfs?
18:35.12inchwormif you are moving to linux more and more?
18:35.46spldartmain purpose for windows is video capture, dvd decrypt, store, tivo etc
18:35.48inchwormalso note that there are ext3 and reiser drivers for windows these days
18:35.55inchwormahh
18:36.18spldartsetting up tv and dvd decrypt in linux is still difficult.. I haven't been successful yet
18:36.25inchwormgo for it, the ntfs driver will most likely be fastest in windows
18:36.42spldartntfs is REAL stable too...like ext3
18:36.54spldartunlike fat hehe
18:36.59inchwormas you would hope in a FS :)
18:37.51inchwormnow if we could just get write support in linux for ntfs
18:38.53spldartw0rd
18:39.26inchworm08w0rd 06what?
18:39.44inchworm~poke spldart
18:39.50ibotACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind spldart, pokes spldart repeatedly, hilarity ensues.
18:40.30spldartouch
18:40.34spldartsorry
18:40.52inchwormno problem i was just confused and bored, bad combo :)
18:40.52spldart'word' Old slang for affirmitive response
18:41.06inchwormahh, ok
18:41.07spldartcirca late 80's
18:41.22inchwormyep, that's old ;)
18:41.31spldartso am I
18:41.32spldart:(
18:41.48inchwormheh
18:41.52spldartI'm a 60's vintage dry wine hehehehe
18:41.52inchwormfiddle sticks you are
18:42.40inchworm:)
18:43.25spldartI still can't believe how much time and trouble I went through to salvage my main computer... tuesday through yesterday for hardware failures/damage and no I'm undergoin reinstall
18:43.40spldarts/now/no
18:44.24spldartexcept for jumping on a head client for aminute or two during testing I haven't played any good BZ since last weekend... maybe a touch longer :(
18:44.29inchwormheh, labor is used when cash is short
18:44.39spldartw0rd!!!
18:44.40spldartlol
18:44.45inchworm:)
18:44.55spldartit's christmas.. I got 5 kids.... cash is short
18:45.07inchwormi would loan you hardware if I had any
18:45.18spldartwhich reminds me... gotta plugin my usb christmas tree
18:45.23inchwormi'm about to start a linux install myself
18:45.28inchwormmove from gentoo to debian
18:45.42inchwormlaptops and massive compiles aren't the best thing
18:45.54spldartI have to say I prefer deb over gentoo myself... and most other distro's
18:45.58inchwormusb christmas tree
18:46.02spldartyes
18:46.07spldartit changes colors and stuff
18:46.10inchwormcan you control it or just get the power?
18:46.21inchwormsync it to music would be cool
18:46.22spldartjust power... 7 colors
18:46.25spldartlOL
18:46.26inchwormaww
18:46.43inchwormhmm can you power cycle the thing via software?
18:47.02inchwormor is usb power direclty connected to power rather than controller powered
18:47.06inchwormprobably directly
18:48.05spldartdir power
18:48.14inchwormhmm
18:48.29spldartbut I had to have it... took it to work but now that it's so close I brought it home
18:48.30inchwormguess we need to figure out a controller chip and overclock your little tree :)
18:49.24inchwormi played with a motorola hc11 in school, would make a great controller, we could get it to power 8 different locations
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18:51.19spldartjus a sec
18:52.31spldarthttp://spldart.opencombat.net:92/usbtreered.jpg   there is a usbtreeblue.jpg and usbtreegreen.jpg too.... hehe
18:53.36inchwormfancy
18:53.47inchwormkinda cool
18:54.03spldartdoes a bunch of colors n'stuff
18:54.34inchwormcoolness
18:55.08inchwormonly 6 gigs of data
18:55.31spldartI got so much untar'ing to do after I finish all my unzipping
18:55.40inchwormheh yah
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19:21.21JeffM2501yay for fun rental cards
19:22.09spldart?
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19:26.07JeffM2501they gave me a PT cruser
19:26.27findlayhow was it?
19:26.50spldarthehe
19:27.00JeffM2501it's odd
19:27.12JeffM2501have to see how it's gonna go on the trip tomorow
19:29.13L4m3rPT loser? :P
19:29.33L4m3rnah... I_Died_Once has one and likes it
19:29.34JeffM2501and what do YOU drive L4m3r ? ;)
19:29.49L4m3rI drive a Hyundai
19:29.55JeffM2501it was ether the cruser or a convertable seebring
19:30.03JeffM2501and that would be too cold
19:30.04L4m3ri.e. a reliable lawn mower, rather than an American one ;)
19:30.26L4m3reeek, yes
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19:31.07L4m3rfor some reason my mother insists on getting an F-150 every time she needs a rental, and complains about it the whole way through >_<
19:31.10L4m3rsome people never learn
19:31.28JeffM2501eww
19:31.28spldartMy usual rentals are minivans but treated myself to a loaded expedition once for fun
19:31.32L4m3rseriously
19:31.45JeffM2501I didn't want to drive my truck for a long distance so I did a rental
19:31.56JeffM2501the PT does have a lot of room inside for stuff
19:32.02findlayI wouldn't mind a bztank
19:32.18L4m3rV6 F-150 gets worse mileage than her V8 Titan, and has the turning radius of an aircraft carrier
19:32.19findlayit would be a little slow until you pick up a high speed flag
19:32.24spldartwith leather enterior :)
19:32.31findlayand you get to shoot the other cars on the freeway
19:32.40spldartor steamroll them
19:32.56findlayand you can jump over stuff
19:33.03L4m3rJeffM2501: hatchbacks do have an amazing amount of space :)
19:33.18JeffM2501the rear seats fold down 2 difrent ways
19:33.23JeffM2501and can even come out
19:33.25L4m3rheh
19:33.39L4m3rmine just fold down, and that's more than enough
19:33.56spldartthey need to make a v6 sc PT :evil:
19:34.08L4m3rI've surprised myself more than once with how much I can fit in my Accent
19:34.08spldartLOL
19:34.10JeffM2501these fold down, then can fold up, and come out
19:34.49L4m3rwhen I need a lot of room I just remove the passenger seat :P
19:35.45L4m3rV6 PT... sounds like a waste. Just get a turbo. :P
19:36.35JeffM2501heh
19:36.45L4m3rthough someone with too much time/money could probably drop a VW VR6 in there
19:37.10inchwormwhat about those b8 miatas?
19:37.15inchwormb8 -> v8
19:37.23L4m3r>_>
19:37.29findlayfront wheel drive?
19:37.46L4m3rmore like front wheel burnout :P
19:37.47inchwormno rear
19:37.59inchwormthe miata is rwd
19:38.10L4m3rwee
19:38.19findlaytheres' not much you can fit in the engine compartment of such a diminuitive car
19:38.26JeffM2501I can chirp the fronts on the PT
19:38.31inchwormgoogle has pictures
19:38.49L4m3rheh, my dad's got most of a bug with a big motor
19:38.50inchwormJeffM2501: drive it like you stole it?
19:38.56findlayI can peel out in my subaru ... in the snow
19:39.09L4m3rthe body is crap, though, so he wants to get a dune buggy body
19:39.33L4m3rfiberglass. :D curb weight would probably be around 1200lbs
19:39.47L4m3rwith 180 or so hp that would be FUN :D
19:40.29spldartaren't suburu's unibodies?
19:41.02findlayperhaps
19:41.22spldartNot much to the frame more than hardpoints to mount drivetrain and suspension
19:41.41spldartfiberglass dunebuggy body requires full framerails
19:42.05L4m3rsolid body/pan
19:42.57L4m3rwith rear-mounted engine, RWD, and almost no weight, I think the chassis provides enough rigidity
19:43.44CBG~blast007++
19:43.47spldartperhaps.. but you would have to connect the front and rear frames with some additional rails  etc
19:44.16L4m3ryeah... I'm sure my dad knows what he's doing
19:44.20spldarteven my old dodge dart, also unibody, doesn't have a full frame front to rear
19:44.41L4m3rlol
19:44.46L4m3rhave you seen a bug pan?
19:44.52spldartThus more than 400 hp or so requires welding in subframe connectors
19:45.46spldartI've seen vw bugs and I've seen alcohol burning chromemoly custome bug's for the sanddunes
19:45.52L4m3rlol
19:46.02spldartbut bug pan?
19:46.33L4m3rbug chassis
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19:46.42L4m3rthey're rather solid
19:47.07spldartbug chassis? as in the old vw or something else?
19:47.22L4m3ryeah, the old beetle
19:47.42spldartwell that design dates back to WWII... of course it's solid and prolly has full frames
19:47.51L4m3rthere ya go :P
19:47.54spldartNot to mention the odd ball suspension 8-0
19:48.14L4m3ra four-seater dune buggy body drops right on
19:48.32spldartwhat do this weight in at stock anywho?
19:49.13L4m3rlol... maybe 1500lbs?
19:49.21inchwormbugs have nicely desinged suspension IMO
19:49.26L4m3r"stock" is hard to call
19:49.41L4m3rat present it lacks glass or any interior other than a driver
19:49.43L4m3rs seat
19:51.41spldartheh
19:51.55spldartput a porsche boxer 6 in that puppy :)
19:52.17L4m3rlol
19:52.27findlayI'm going to add a turbocharger on my car by using the works from a leaf blower
19:52.29L4m3rnah, that's what the bus crew cab has
19:53.07spldartyour kidding right findlay?
19:53.15findlayonly partially
19:53.19findlayit might be fun to try
19:53.30findlayjust for the sake of experiment
19:53.31L4m3rdo it the ricer way
19:53.31spldart8-0
19:53.46L4m3rinstead of a turbe, just add a REALLY big hood scoop!
19:53.51inchwormmake it a gas powered leaf plower that sticks out of the hood
19:53.51L4m3rturbo*
19:53.58findlayyeah!
19:54.07spldartbig scoop helps from about 35 mph up
19:54.10inchwormput a scoop going into the intake
19:54.16spldartbig boost @ 60 mph up
19:54.22spldartI had done that
19:54.38inchwormhow do you keep bugs out of your intake thought?
19:54.38findlaybut, of course, the hood scoop does nothing but degrade your gas mileage if it's fake
19:54.45findlaythat always gets me
19:54.49spldartbut what I did is put two intakes just inside each headlamp behind the grill
19:54.50L4m3rheh
19:55.01findlaywhy do people buy cars with fake hood/brake scoops?
19:55.17spldartscoups need a place for the bugs to fall around or short of the filter
19:55.39L4m3rsame reason they put hugeass wings and snowplow bumpers on 'em
19:55.43L4m3rthey're dumb
19:55.55biggeruniverseI'll buy your babble
19:56.06findlaythe shopping cart handle technique?
19:56.19inchwormthey but tiny wheels on cars around here
19:56.24inchworms/but/put
19:56.33inchwormmake them stick out the sides too
19:56.40L4m3rheh
19:56.44L4m3ryeah, I've seen that
19:56.48inchwormthen you wonder why all the speed bumps have divots in them
19:56.49findlaywierd
19:56.55findlayguess that hasn't caught on here yet
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19:57.10findlayI like the speed jumps
19:57.25findlaythey're like speed bumps but widened out to about 2 meters
19:57.27L4m3rget a "stepside" F-150, put on huge fender flares and running boards, and tiny wheels... o_O I don't get it
19:57.30findlayfun to jump on
19:57.43shaunotti have a question about texture mapping
19:57.45inchwormheh, especially on motorcycles
19:57.58findlaynever tried it on a motorcycle
19:58.42shaunottwhen you connect to my server it says cannot find texture
19:58.42spldartwhere is your texture?
19:58.44shaunotti have put in cfg texture /usr/share/doc/bzflag/tree
19:58.53spldartI seem to remember that generically the client only grabs textures from safe url or 2 or 3...
19:59.00shaunottive tried with or without the directory
19:59.13shaunottdoes the texture have to be online?
19:59.21spldartand your .bzw says to look in your local dir?
19:59.43shaunottwell the png is in the same folder as the bzw
20:00.02shaunottive tried putting texture tree
20:00.12shaunottand texture /usr/share/doc/bzflag/tree
20:00.12CBG~blast007++
20:00.14spldartI remember when I first started playing with textures I found that I couldn't make it work cuz clients don't allow downloading from whatever url to grab the texture so I got broken textures
20:00.38shaunottshould i upload the image
20:00.50shaunottand put texture http://.....
20:00.56spldartYou may need to upload...
20:01.14biggeruniverse~karma blast007
20:01.14ibotblast007 has karma of 99
20:01.20biggeruniversegoodness
20:01.30findlay~blast007++
20:01.35spldartbut not sure if any other peoples clients will see it unless it's a bzflag site texture or the clients options are set to trust the url you enter
20:01.39findlay~karma blast007
20:01.39ibotblast007 has karma of 100
20:01.47findlaythis stupid mouse
20:01.48shaunottok
20:01.50biggeruniverseone user one vote
20:01.54shaunottthanks ill try it
20:02.02spldartIf I were you I'd find a url ofa texture that you can see on another map... temp try that textyure on your tree
20:02.17spldartif it works then get your texture uploaded
20:02.25findlaybiggeruniverse: this mouse sometimes does a double middle click.  It's very annoying
20:02.38biggeruniverseheh
20:02.43shaunottok
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20:02.54biggeruniverse~shaunott++
20:03.00biggeruniverseheh
20:03.25biggeruniversekarma systems only work if people don't abuse them...
20:03.28findlay~karma findlay
20:03.28ibotfindlay has karma of 2
20:03.34biggeruniverse~findlay++
20:03.52biggeruniverse~karma findlay
20:03.52ibotfindlay has karma of 3
20:03.56biggeruniversewoot!
20:03.58spldart~karma spldart
20:03.58ibotspldart has karma of 6
20:04.13biggeruniverse~karma ibot
20:04.13ibotibot has karma of 17
20:04.22spldart~ibot++
20:04.33biggeruniversego ibot! you're not even a person and you've got good karma
20:04.41inchwormhehe
20:04.58biggeruniversemaybe you'll be reincarnated as a physics engine
20:05.07inchworm:)
20:05.16inchwormbut that would be more work than an irc bot
20:05.29findlayibot: are you lazy?
20:05.32biggeruniversemore work doesn't mean bad
20:05.36inchworm:)
20:05.41biggeruniverseapparently he is
20:05.46biggeruniverse*(s)he
20:05.51inchworm~8ball is ibot lazy
20:05.52ibotPlease ask again.
20:06.01biggeruniverseibot: are you a boy or a girl
20:06.08inchworm~8ball
20:06.10ibotACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: Yes
20:06.15biggeruniverseright
20:06.22biggeruniversewell, can't argue with that
20:06.52inchwormi guess ibot is whatever you put the screen reader at :)
20:07.25biggeruniverse~weather
20:07.34inchwormonly a couple more gigs, then linux reinstall
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20:07.42inchworm~weather kalm
20:08.23biggeruniverse~wtf
20:08.29inchworm?
20:08.47biggeruniverse~wtf iirc
20:09.04spldart~ksgr
20:09.06biggeruniverseif I *remember* correctly
20:09.07biggeruniversegawd
20:09.14spldart~weather ksgr
20:09.29biggeruniverse~news
20:10.18biggeruniverse~lobotomy
20:10.20ibotI feel different somehow.
20:10.24biggeruniversewhy?
20:10.33AAA_awright~why
20:10.34ibotBecause!
20:10.42AAA_awright~becausewhy
20:10.57AAA_awright> because because!
20:11.12biggeruniverseright
20:11.49spldartbecause because because because... because of the wonderful things he does
20:12.32AAA_awright~becausewhy
20:12.33ibotit has been said that becausewhy is Because Because!
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20:22.02L4m3r~weather kttv
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20:25.05L4m3r~weather KLAX
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21:08.06spldartWoooHooo! Winxp sp1 sp2 and most drivers done, debian base, grub done back to win for more drivers
21:15.00inchwormooo the pain
21:15.51inchwormok, i finally got my homespace backed up and the xorg.conf file. anything i'm missing?
21:20.59inchwormi want my kernel configs!
21:27.43spldart*/old 'lost in space' "The pain! The pain..."*
21:28.00inchwormheh
21:28.54spldartI'm so close to playing bzflag again I can taste/smell it
21:29.14inchwormhehe
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21:43.49spldartI think I'll go gnome again
21:53.47inchwormhmm
21:53.53inchwormdunno what my preference is anymore
21:54.26inchwormgive me something with either a terminal or easy access to xterm and i'm generally happy
21:54.44inchwormsome of the kde utilities aren't bad
21:54.49inchwormbut i'm not liking arts
21:55.04inchwormand i dislike the gnome file open dialog boxes
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22:09.27spldartI'm generally a fluxbox on slow machines and gnome on fast machines kinda dude
22:09.46inchwormfluxbox isn't bad
22:09.56inchwormi use gnome at work on a solaris 10 box
22:10.09inchwormboth are fully usable
22:10.16inchwormbut favorite, i don't have one yet
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22:27.34spldartmental note... fresh xp sp2 requires 67 critical updates
22:27.53spldartand we all know windows bandwidth >8-0
22:28.25spldarterr update.microsoft.com
22:29.25inchwormhehe
22:29.54inchwormthey need to have iso's on their site of the latest version so you don't have to download all the patches, righ?
22:30.16spldartp
22:30.16spldarthave done winxpsp2, deb,gnome, drivers and modules
22:30.25spldarthehe
22:30.27spldartyeah
22:30.27inchwormi'm downloading deb now
22:30.36inchwormchose desktop in the install
22:30.48spldartAt least we aren't competing for bandwidth ;-)
22:30.53inchwormso i'll find out what i get, it'll be a surpise :)
22:31.01inchwormi'm pulling from nd.edu
22:31.09spldartoh nm
22:31.15spldartdebian.mirrors.org for me
22:31.21spldartfor
22:31.23spldartupdates
22:31.24inchwormgiving me 200+kB/s
22:31.30inchwormso i'm happy
22:31.46spldartI had got 600+ on some sites but averaged 450+ on most of the others
22:31.54inchwormdebian couldn't do dhcp for some reason
22:32.00inchwormdunno why
22:32.21inchwormthe driver was there, and i've never had issues before
22:32.35inchwormmanually configured and now it's pulling happily
22:32.37inchwormeh
22:32.43spldart:dunno:
22:32.52inchworm200+ is about max bandwidth for me
22:33.04inchwormi think 300 is the highest i've ever seen
22:33.15spldartcable uncapped us when they got into a war with dsl provider
22:33.22inchwormin other words, nice connection ;)
22:33.27inchwormhehe
22:33.49spldartI used to be 350 down
22:34.37spldartYah know... that had got me to thinking about 30 minutes ago... How much bandwidth that is compared to isdn 128 (me 00/01) and 56K (me pre 00)
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22:36.44inchwormheh i went from bad dialup to this, so i'm very happy
22:36.45maquiswe're having a bit of trouble getting bzflag to run correctly on an older ibook running osx tiger.  we're using bzflag 2.0.8
22:36.53maquishas anybody seen this problem before
22:37.02maquis?
22:37.13inchwormdescribe problem better please
22:37.21inchwormgraphics, sounds, etc?
22:37.27inchwormwhat is the problem?
22:37.38maquisthe graphics are all messed up.  ie, when you get to the menu, you can't read any of the options..
22:37.54maquisso, i quit out and tried again, and that time, the graphics wouldn't even come up... it was just a black screen with a blue line
22:38.08maquisand i had to power-off to get out (not very good with macs... i'm used to linux)
22:38.20spldartalso adjust your wait time up alot in this channel.... knowleadgable peeps come and go but the wait might be a bit
22:39.06spldartdid bz see sdl?
22:39.08inchwormi'm thinking graphics driver, or an older chip that doesn't support graphics
22:39.33inchwormor at least accelerated 3d
22:39.44spldartany other gl games work on that machine?
22:40.12maquisinchworm: we've had other games play on it...
22:40.30maquisi've never tried bzflag on it, before though
22:40.33inchwormopengl ones?
22:40.45inchwormeg 3d?
22:40.54maquisinchworm: i don't think so
22:41.05maquisthe apple graphics card should support their own cards, though... i'd think...
22:41.08spldartthat's important..
22:41.16spldartthe problem might be bigger than bzflag itself
22:41.26inchwormbut if it is old enough the graphics chip wont have the accelerated features
22:41.35maquisinchworm: true
22:41.37inchwormand everything will be done in software
22:41.47inchwormwhat does it say in the about this mac thing
22:41.50spldartif you can't get any opengl games to work then this could be hardware not up to task or don't support loaded
22:41.52inchwormfor the graphics
22:42.19maquisok... thanks a ton
22:42.21spldartmeh... inchworm has the ball :)
22:42.48inchwormspldart you have been here longer :)
22:43.07spldartThat just means I'm an OLD n00b
22:43.09spldartlolol
22:43.41inchwormheh my mac experience is all of 15 minutes i think
22:43.59inchwormmaybe it's 30 minutes
22:44.24inchwormbtw, looks like i'm getting kde from the packages debian is pulling down
22:44.25spldartmine is what I've gleemed off of here ... was able to help one other with mac sdl problems once
22:44.31spldarthehe
22:44.58spldartI'm currently loading ie7 for windows for the first time...even though I'll probably just use mozilla for windows by tomorrow
22:45.02inchwormhmm kde 3.3
22:45.14inchwormso where did i choose stable from?
22:46.03spldartmeh... dunno... you got a 3.1r4 right?>
22:47.46inchwormdebian-31r4-i386-netinst.iso
22:48.04inchwormand then just kept the defaults through out
22:48.14inchwormexcept for networking
22:48.22spldartthat's stable... Your /etc/apt/sources.list will also contain stable thus all downloads are stable
22:48.36inchwormahh
22:48.44inchwormwell, maybe stable will be good enough
22:49.07inchwormor maybe i'm going to be doing alot more downloading tomorrow
22:49.16spldartif you want etch or unstable you have to either download that iso or change your sources.list and do apt-get dist-upgrade
22:49.20spldartI don't suggest that
22:49.29spldartunstable sometimes bites hard!
22:49.35inchwormhmm
22:49.43inchwormok, i'll stick stable for nwo
22:49.46inchworm*now
22:49.50spldartsometimes though it works nicely
22:49.55inchwormi'm kinda just want it to work for right now
22:50.08inchwormi'm tiried of subtly broken stuff
22:50.30inchwormof course in hind sight it was my own fault
22:50.33inchwormbut still :)
22:50.39spldartwell stable equal X11 and testing unstable = X.org... that's the main diff for me and main drawback.. but for stablility just stick to X11 call it good
22:51.09spldartlike I said though.. if later you want change your /etc/apt/sources.list... at your own risk
22:51.19inchwormsounds like a plan, thanks
22:51.22spldartk
22:55.48inchwormwow openoffice 1.1.3 living the bleeding edge here folks
22:55.54inchworm:E
22:56.11spldartLOL
22:56.22spldartdeb stable is a touch out of date :(
22:56.27inchwormlol
22:56.33spldartbut deb has some advantages too.. IMO
22:56.45spldartOh well
22:56.50inchwormyah, i'll live with it awhile and see what is good or bad
22:57.08spldartYah know it's partially JeffM'
22:57.11spldarts fault
22:57.17inchwormhmm. how?
22:57.21spldartI'm on debian so much.... but partially mine too
22:57.46spldartHe like it and it's easy to set up... and other stuff is based off it... Ubuntu, Knoppix... others
22:58.32spldartI had tried alot of distro's 2.. but more as a general user and found that led me to like the ease of debian... Its wher I cut my 'terminal' teeth
22:59.30inchwormhehe
22:59.53inchwormcaldera is where i started
22:59.57inchwormthen slackware
23:00.02inchwormthen various stuff
23:00.26inchwormmost have been ok, except for SuSE
23:00.39inchwormit's at school and work, and i dislike it
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23:06.39spldartI started on Lycoris :-0
23:07.17inchwormwoohoo
23:07.23inchwormnever heard of it :D
23:16.55spldartlol
23:17.30spldartsorry distracted... doin the most dangerous portion of the windows setup... ATI All in Wonder drivers, control center, multimedia center
23:17.43spldartone wrong move and YOUR HOSED!
23:19.05inchwormhehe
23:19.11inchwormi'm downloading ati driver now
23:19.16inchwormdrivers
23:19.33spldartPoop... cli.exe failed to initialize properly... meh
23:19.36inchwormis there a debian package of the latest ati drivers?
23:19.47inchwormor stable ati drivers :P
23:21.52spldartnope
23:22.00spldartgotta get them from ati... good luck with that
23:22.10inchwormheh thanks
23:22.14spldartati isn't lettingme download righnt now
23:22.34spldartif I remember right it needs kernel headers source etc....
23:22.54spldartati's new leecher prevention stuff is blocking my getting latest drivers is all I meant
23:27.38inchwormok, ati stuff went very smooth
23:27.51inchwormran the installer, did ati-config
23:28.05inchwormadded a few lines to XF86config and tada
23:28.57inchwormhmm except i don't have acceleration yet
23:36.26spldarthehehe
23:36.54spldartI have a 9200 on my work rig and accel just quit.... dunno why yet
23:37.12spldartagpgart loaded?
23:37.17spldartdri?
23:37.21spldartsdl?
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23:39.02spldarthit it, kick it, yell at it... "BREAK"
23:42.00inchwormyah, spldart, gotta have the kernel source
23:43.32spldartHEH
23:48.38spldartfinally... got some ati downloads running
23:50.51inchwormheh, getting there
23:51.22inchwormok, new kernel from 386 to 686 :)
23:51.25inchwormand the headers
23:55.47spldart:P
23:56.47spldartwe may be seeing a user who want to report a bug on the HEAD client in bit.. something about X crashes when closing... Just a heads up
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